[05:50] <magespawn> Morning all
[06:40] <superfly> morning Maaz
[06:40] <superfly> erm, morning magespawn
[06:40] <superfly> tab-fail
[08:08] <KilosX> hi superfly magespawn inetpro and others
[08:08] <superfly> hi KilosX
[08:17] <KilosX> more nuvolari 
[08:24] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:46] <Symmetria> sup
[08:47] <Symmetria> lol, you know, after 17 years on irc, I realize that it never really changes, same old stupid crap, its hilarious
[08:47] <Symmetria> oops 16 years
[08:48] <Squirm> hello
[08:49] <Symmetria> I also realized that by next year I'll have been on irc half my life 
[08:50] <Squirm> I started in... '05 I think
[08:50] <Symmetria> heh, Ive been on irc pretty much since 94 
[08:51] <Symmetria> lol we were having oper/admin wars on efnet last night (again)
[08:54] <Squirm> lol
[08:56] <Squirm> Symmetria: realised the other day that we're actually going through TENET
[08:56] <Squirm> through the e-schools network
[08:57] <Symmetria> heh oh yeah been like that for ages
[08:57] <Squirm> helps to work at a school
[08:58] <Squirm> better speeds from the TENET mirror ^^
[09:01] <Symmetria> heh I flatline my mweb dsl from the tenet mirror anyway
[09:01] <Symmetria> tenet mirror has enough capacity to serve pretty much anywhere in the country at line rate without blinking other than saix
[09:03] <Squirm> nice
[09:03] <Squirm> then what do you always download from the tenet mirror?
[09:04] <Squirm> or just the speeds you get
[09:05] <Kerbero> Symmetria, can i iperf mirror.ac.za?
[09:06] <Kerbero> want to test the "new awesome firewall" of stellenbosch
[09:08] <Symmetria> Kerbero I'd have to run an iperf instance on it
[09:08] <Kerbero> pleas :)
[09:08] <Kerbero> *please
[09:09] <Symmetria> if you can do udp though, it would be better to do a tsunami test
[09:09] <Kerbero> jip
[09:09] <Kerbero> o
[09:09] <Kerbero> i don't know tsunami
[09:09] <Symmetria> lemme run iperf real quick
[09:10] <Symmetria> ------------------------------------------------------------
[09:10] <Symmetria> Server listening on TCP port 5001
[09:10] <Symmetria> Binding to local address 155.232.191.208
[09:10] <Symmetria> TCP window size: 15.6 MByte (WARNING: requested 7.81 MByte)
[09:10] <Symmetria> ------------------------------------------------------------
[09:10] <Symmetria> lemme know once you done please cant leave that running, and make sure you turn up the window sizes if you wanna push it to real max speeds
[09:10] <Kerbero> connection refused
[09:11] <Symmetria> on port 5001 on 191.209?
[09:11] <Symmetria> ooops 208?
[09:11] <Kerbero> ok
[09:11] <Symmetria> dont run to mirror.ac.za run to 155.232.191.208
[09:11] <Symmetria> mirror.ac.za = .200
[09:11] <Kerbero> it's going
[09:11] <Symmetria> [  4]  0.0-10.2 sec    112 MBytes  92.2 Mbits/sec
[09:11] <Kerbero> $ iperf -c 155.232.191.208
[09:11] <Kerbero> ------------------------------------------------------------
[09:11] <Kerbero> Client connecting to 155.232.191.208, TCP port 5001
[09:11] <Kerbero> TCP window size: 23.5 KByte (default)
[09:11] <Kerbero> ------------------------------------------------------------
[09:11] <Kerbero> [  3] local 146.232.222.108 port 38509 connected with 155.232.191.208 port 5001
[09:11] <Symmetria> leave it running for longer than 10 seconds 
[09:12] <Kerbero> [ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth
[09:12] <Symmetria> and turn up your window size 
[09:12] <Kerbero> [  3]  0.0-10.0 sec   112 MBytes  94.2 Mbits/sec
[09:12] <Kerbero> jip that's my max
[09:12] <Kerbero> uhm
[09:12] <Kerbero> going to check on gigabit now
[09:12] <Symmetria> -w 2048000 
[09:12] <Symmetria> and -t 90 
[09:12] <Symmetria> 10 second isnt a valid test
[09:12] <Symmetria> :p
[09:12] <Squirm> Symmetria: can I give it a shot after this?
[09:12] <Symmetria> I dont mind :)
[09:13] <Squirm> eh, nevermind, kinda pointless
[09:13] <Squirm> :P
[09:13] <Symmetria> you running a 90 second test now kerbero?
[09:13] <Kerbero> it is running i hope
[09:13] <Kerbero> jip
[09:13] <Symmetria> yeah its running, I saw it connect
[09:14] <Symmetria> next time you might wanna add -i 10 as well to it to make it report in 10 second increments until it hits the timer, but its fine, let it finish this
[09:14] <Kerbero> finished
[09:14] <Symmetria> 75.7
[09:14] <Kerbero> crap speed
[09:14] <Symmetria> what window size did you use?
[09:14] <Kerbero> TCP window size:   256 KByte (WARNING: requested 1.95 MByte)
[09:15] <Symmetria> oh, what kernel is that
[09:15] <Kerbero> hmm
[09:15] <Kerbero> old one
[09:15] <Squirm> can I give it a shot quick?
[09:15] <Symmetria> its limiting it because of your kernel settings
[09:15] <Symmetria> squirm go for it
[09:15] <Symmetria> kerbero hold, will give you some sysctl's
[09:15] <Kerbero> ok :)
[09:15] <Symmetria> net.core.rmem_max = 16777216
[09:16] <Squirm> crap speed
[09:16] <Squirm> but it's better than 384
[09:16] <Squirm> :P
[09:16] <Symmetria> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096 87830 8388608
[09:16] <Symmetria> and then set .wmem on both of those the same as well
[09:16] <Symmetria> and then try a 2meg window size test again
[09:16] <Kerbero> sysctl -w ....
[09:16] <Symmetria> sysctl -w net.core.rmem_max = 16777216
[09:17] <Squirm> [  3]  0.0-98.7 sec  2.38 MBytes   202 Kbits/sec
[09:17] <Symmetria> sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_rmem="4096 87830 8388608"
[09:17] <Squirm> lol
[09:17] <Symmetria> then sysctl -w net.core.wmem_max=16777216 
[09:17] <Symmetria> and 
[09:17] <Symmetria> sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_wmem="4096 87830 8388608"
[09:17] <Symmetria> lol squirm
[09:18] <Symmetria> :P lemme show you what it should look like
[09:18] <Squirm> eh
[09:18] <Kerbero> it is so lekker to just copy paste
[09:18] <Squirm> you're gonna make me jealous
[09:18] <Squirm> :/
[09:18] <Kerbero> got all 4 now
[09:19] <Kerbero> need to check if this is really gigabit or not
[09:20] <Symmetria> heh just pulling a file to test with
[09:20] <Kerbero> yeah, looks like someone stole my gigabit
[09:22] <Kerbero> well test completed
[09:22] <Kerbero> and that is link speed
[09:22] <Kerbero> hmm
[09:22] <Kerbero> o wait
[09:22] <Kerbero> i forgot
[09:22] <Kerbero> i have a server in the data center
[09:24] <Symmetria> heh
[09:24] <Symmetria> testing something real quick
[09:24] <Kerbero> ahh this is better
[09:25] <Kerbero> Symmetria, ok test completed
[09:26] <Kerbero> should i run it again after you "tested something quick"?
[09:26] <Symmetria> yeah gimme a sec
[09:26] <Kerbero> k
[09:27] <Symmetria> this is from london -> south africa
[09:27] <Symmetria> single file stream
[09:27] <Symmetria> Throughput            : 1439.24 Mbps
[09:27] <Symmetria> Goodput w/ restarts   : 1439.24 Mbps
[09:27] <Symmetria> Final file rate       : 1439.24 Mbps
[09:27] <Symmetria> Transfer mode         : lossless
[09:27] <Symmetria> Transfer duration     : 26.21 seconds
[09:27] <Kerbero> hmm
[09:27] <Symmetria> heh 4.6gig file
[09:27] <Kerbero> not bad
[09:27] <Symmetria> :p
[09:27] <Symmetria> from london
[09:27] <Symmetria> in 26 seconds
[09:27] <Kerbero> so shall i iperf again?
[09:27] <Symmetria> lol kerbero disk and other shit starts to top out if I go higher than that
[09:27] <Symmetria> yeah go for it
[09:28] <Symmetria> [  4]  0.0-90.0 sec  7.14 GBytes    682 Mbits/sec
[09:28] <Symmetria> that was your previous one
[09:28] <Kerbero> jip
[09:28] <Symmetria> 7.1gig of data in 90 seconds
[09:28] <Symmetria> how are they handling the billing with the new firewall? lol
[09:29] <Kerbero> no idea
[09:29] <Kerbero> but it will likely fail
[09:29] <Kerbero> ok done
[09:29] <Kerbero> about the same specs
[09:29] <Kerbero> and that is from sun's backbone
[09:29] <Symmetria> thats not bad for a gigabit connected server
[09:30] <Kerbero> that is a VM
[09:30] <Kerbero> so no idea what it actually has
[09:30] <Symmetria> yeah thats not bad
[09:30] <Symmetria> thats 85 megabytes/second 
[09:30] <Kerbero> well i think that's about it
[09:30] <Kerbero> it is awwesome
[09:30] <Symmetria> lol now they just need to get rid of the billing
[09:30] <Kerbero> TCP window size: 3.91 MByte (WARNING: requested 1.95 MByte)
[09:30] <Symmetria> rumour has it that even UP is getting rid of theirs
[09:31] <Kerbero> i'm not billed for 155.232.191/24 luckily
[09:36] <Squirm> .:Symmetria:. Transfer duration     : 26.21 seconds Symmetria: Where did you transfer that to, an TENET server?
[09:37] <Symmetria> squirm from london -> mirror.ac.za
[09:37] <Symmetria> from the ubuntunet alliance test server 
[09:38] <Symmetria> heh ive pushed that UA test server to 7 gigabit on single file downloads before actually, though to actually hit 7 gigabit requires severe tweaking and dumping to memory and all sorts of crap to get around server limitations that drop that speed down
[09:39] <Kerbero> haha wow
[09:40] <Kerbero> Symmetria, iperf still running?
[09:41] <Symmetria> yeah
[09:41] <Symmetria> brb smoke
[09:55] <Kerbero> well the last test's speed was worse
[09:55] <Kerbero> but ok
[09:55] <Kerbero> i'm done
[09:55] <Kerbero> have to do some work
[10:13] <Banlam> odd, i'm downloading something from sourcegorge
[10:13] <Banlam> but it's not using the tenet mirror
[10:13] <Banlam> it's using a .br mirror
[10:24] <ybrjkfc> hi ;)
[12:45] <kbmonkey> g'day
[12:48] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey and others
[12:48]  * Kilos sukkel
[12:49] <Banlam> waarmee sukkel kilos?
[12:49] <Kilos> decided to take the plunge and upgrade maverick to natty but nowhere do i get the choice to upgrade from the natty alternate
[12:50] <Kilos> hi Banlam 
[12:50] <Banlam> gday
[12:50]  * Banlam doesn't bother with upgrades
[12:50] <Banlam> it's format or nothing
[12:51] <Kilos> i was the same but now have to do it via alternate
[12:51] <Kilos> im sure they used to give the option
[12:51] <Kilos> maybe im doing something wrong
[12:52]  * Banlam knows not
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <Kilos> the fly will know he always upgrades
[12:52] <Banlam> :)
[12:52] <Kilos> superfly, any idea what im doing wrong?
[12:53] <Kilos> it might even be something i have unticked somewhere
[12:54] <Kilos> so weird. if i put in natty ubuntu cd while on natty xubuntu then it asks if i want to upgrade
[12:54] <superfly> Kilos: I never got a dialog or anything popping up, I had to do it manually
[12:55] <Kilos> oh my
[12:55] <superfly> it's not difficult
[12:55] <Kilos> ok im listening
[12:55] <Kilos> will write it down
[12:55] <superfly> once the CD is mounted, go to the CD in your terminal
[12:55] <Kilos> ok
[12:56] <superfly> so if your CD was mounted on /media/cdrom, "cd /media/cdrom"
[12:56] <superfly> then "ls" to see the files... there should be some "cdromupgrade" file (or something similarly named)
[12:56] <superfly> then you run "sudo /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[12:57] <superfly> and it should take it from there
[12:58] <Kilos> ah ty superfly that cdromupgrade function is what isnt working when the cd opens
[13:00] <Kilos> bbl
[13:22] <kbmonkey> hi kilos superfly bn
[13:22] <kbmonkey> Banlam, 
[13:22] <Banlam> heya
[13:26] <Kilos> can only cd /media and ls there
[13:26] <Kilos> cant cd into cdrom
[13:26] <Kilos> murphy back again
[13:28] <Kilos> doing ls in media shows Ubuntu 11.04 i386
[13:28] <Kilos> cany cd into that either
[13:28] <Kilos> cant
[13:29] <confluency> Oh, yeah, tumbleweed, some Russians want to know how big Ubuntu is in SA.
[13:29] <confluency> Like ybrjkfc. :)
[13:52] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos cd Ubu<tab>
[13:52] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
  hi ;)
[13:59] <confluency> ybrjkfc: hello :)
 you use instant XMPP messenger ?
[14:02] <ybrjkfc> I could call you in the Russian user conference ubuntu
[14:02] <confluency> ybrjkfc: only Google Talk.
  Google Talk this is great :)
 linux@conference.sibnsk.net  is the address of the conference
[14:06] <confluency> Can Google Talk conenct to chatrooms?
[14:06] <confluency> As far as I know, it doesn't interoperate with normal XMPP chatrooms. :/
 Yes. Japanese users are checked :)
[14:07] <ybrjkfc> i<confluency> n this conference is Japanese, which uses  Google Talk
[14:08] <tumbleweed> confluency, ybrjkfc: I have no idea how big Ubuntu is in ZA :)
 I believe. you're a developer and Debian is ubuntu?
[14:10] <tumbleweed> ybrjkfc: I'm a Debian Developer, and an Ubuntu Developer
 it's fine :)
 Hundreds of thousands of people in Russia, and Debian is using ubuntu.
[17:23] <kbmonkey> lo /o
[18:09] <Kilos> haha ty superfly this has been driving me nuts
[18:09] <Kilos> near gave up
[18:10] <superfly> Kilos: did you come right though?
[18:10] <Kilos> gonna see now. had a head that needed to take a break
[18:12] <Kilos> nope it bloeps at me when i try tab it
[18:13] <Kilos> dont know why i cant cd to the cdrom
[18:13] <Kilos> evening all
[18:14] <Kilos> do i have to tell /etc/fstab that their is a cdrom superfly 
[18:14] <Kilos> that whole modprobe thing
[18:15] <Kilos> i can cd /dev then do ls and there is a cdrom shown but when i cd to /cdrom ls shows nothing
[18:17] <superfly> Kilos: you need to mount the cdrom as you normally do, in nautilus
[18:18] <Kilos> yes it shows on desktop superfly 
[18:18] <superfly> Kilos: double-click on it
[18:19] <Kilos> it opens another windows with all the folders in it
[18:20] <Kilos> it opens one automatically when it shows on desktop superfly 
[18:20] <superfly> OK, and if you edit the location, does it show you a proper path?
[18:21]  * superfly doesn't know how nautilus works
[18:22] <Kilos> no sure what you mean but if i click next to ubuntu 11.04 it shows media ubuntu 11.04
[18:22] <superfly> as in /media/ubuntu 11.04 ?
[18:23] <Kilos> first a drive pic then media ubuntu 11.04
[18:23] <Kilos> not with /
[18:24] <Kilos> words in buttons whereby you can go back or forward by ticking them
[18:24] <Kilos> its a graphical thing
[18:27] <Kilos> bash: cd: /media/cdromupgrade: No such file or directory
[18:27] <Kilos> thats what i get via cli superfly 
[18:27] <superfly> Kilos: of course, because that is not a valid path
[18:27] <Kilos> but i can see it is there
[18:27] <superfly> Kilos: what's in /media ?
[18:28] <superfly> cd /media && ls
[18:28] <Kilos> superfly, Ubuntu 11.04 i386
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: pastebin it for me
[18:29] <Kilos> thats all there is 
[18:29] <Kilos> one line
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: ls -al
[18:32] <Kilos> superfly,  http://slexy.org/view/s2WnfGY0wo
[18:32] <superfly> Kilos: you're not in media
[18:32] <superfly> cd /media
[18:32] <superfly> ls -al
[18:33] <Kilos> eish skuus man
[18:34] <Kilos> superfly,  http://slexy.org/view/s203PnsXG8
[18:38] <Kilos> with an upgrade will i keep my original desktop or will it try go unity first then go gnome classic
[18:38] <superfly> Kilos: now type in "cd Ubu" and press tab
[18:39] <Langjan> Hi kilos, long time. How are you?
[18:39] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[18:39] <Kilos> good ty and you
[18:39] <Kilos> superfly, bloep
[18:39] <Langjan> good thanks, just back from a trip to Cahora Bassa
[18:39] <superfly> Kilos: are you typing it with a capital U?
[18:40] <Kilos> oh no
[18:40] <superfly> not "cd ubu" but "cd Ubu"
[18:41] <Kilos> thats it superfly ty i will try go further
[18:41]  * Kilos must read more carefully
[18:41] <superfly> Kilos: when you use the directory, use tab to complete it, because it makes sure that things like the spaces are handled correctly
[18:42] <superfly> Kilos: also, when you're in nautilus, press Ctrl+L and you will see the real path
[18:42] <Kilos> ah ty superfly such a stupid mistake
[18:43] <Langjan> Kilos I have a weird problem with thunderbird
[18:43] <Kilos> wow that works great  /media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386
[18:43] <Kilos> whats it doing Langjan i still use evolution
[18:44] <Langjan> upgraded to 11.10 and tbird seems to have picked up a bug, it shows a message in the reply to space, when you scroll over it it shows my email address
[18:46] <Kilos> oh my. maybe there is a thunderbird user here that knows where to look
[18:46] <Langjan> was thinking perhaps I should delete email account and redo it, but its a hassle
[18:46] <Kilos> hasnt it changed something in you preferences
[18:47] <Langjan> well I pasted my whole profile into the folder and this comes up. Tried to redo it, lost some mails in the process but the problem remains.  
[18:48] <Kilos> try a sudo aptitude reinstall thunderbird
[18:49] <Kilos> sometimes when pasting on gets things a bit wrong. maybe it adds a space where it shouldnt or something
[18:50] <Langjan> ok lets try that will get back to you, silly of me not to try that first
[18:50] <Kilos> who knows
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: so did you run "sudo /media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386/cdromupgrade" ?
[18:51] <Kilos> superfly, will this tell me how much it is going to want to download first
[18:51] <Kilos> can i do it offline rather
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: if you're not connected, it won't download anything
[18:52] <Kilos> maybe thats safest
[18:52] <Kilos> superfly, will you help langjan if i am off please
[18:53] <Langjan> thanks kilos, the reinstall did not make any difference 
[18:53] <Kilos> eish
[18:54] <Kilos> must be something in settings Langjan 
[18:54] <Langjan> been there, don't see anything 
[18:55] <superfly> Langjan: what do you mean by "when you scroll over it"? Are you using your mouse or your keyboard?
[18:55] <Langjan> mouse
[18:55] <Langjan> hi superfly
[18:56] <Kilos> just gonna run upgrade. bbnn
[18:57] <superfly> Langjan: so when you mouse over, it shows your e-mail address in the "reply to" field?
[18:58] <Langjan> that's right, but then when the cursor is gone, it shows what looks like the text from an e-mail.i
[18:59] <Langjan> It's like hovering over a live link  
[19:00] <superfly> Langjan: oh, that just sounds like a visual bug
[19:01] <Langjan> meaning what superfly? 
[19:01] <superfly> Langjan: meaning that it doesn't sound like anything is really wrong
[19:02] <superfly> it's just an irritating thing to see
[19:02] <Langjan> makes sense but as you say it looks weird
[19:03] <Langjan> will it help to delete and reinstall my e-mail account?
[19:03] <superfly> Langjan: no
[19:04] <Langjan> so I live with it?
[19:04] <superfly> what you can possibly do is save your e-mails themselves, and remove your Thunderbird profile, but that's a slightly tricky exercise with potentially disastrous consequences if you get it wrong
[19:05] <Langjan> I did remove and reinstall my profile, lost some e-mails but the problem persisted
[19:05] <superfly> then it likely won't go away any time soon
[19:06] <Kilos-> Langjan, send all your maisl to another mail account
[19:06] <Langjan> ok thanks, hope you're right. Keep well superfly.
[19:06] <superfly> Yeah, just busy, thanks
[19:06] <Kilos-> Langjan, you there
[19:07] <Langjan> Yes, Kilos you must be joking
[19:07] <Kilos-> lol no man liten to my reasoning
[19:07] <Kilos-> *listen
[19:07] <Langjan> ok trying to
[19:07] <Kilos-> send those you want to save
[19:08] <Kilos-> but they should all be online arent they
[19:08] <Kilos-> then we can try purge thunderbird and then install from scratch
[19:08] <Langjan> only inbox for 40 days, I have about 2 gigs of mails 
[19:08] <Kilos-> purge removes configuration files as well
[19:09] <kbmonkey> naand geeks
[19:09] <Kilos-> you are too popular
[19:09] <Kilos-> naand kbmonkey 
[19:09] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[19:09] <kbmonkey> you have a tail kbmonkey
[19:09] <kbmonkey> i mean Kilos- 
[19:09] <kbmonkey> lol, tab complete fail
[19:09] <Kilos-> oh sorry went off to upgrade but it didnt work
[19:10]  * kbmonkey has a tail too
[19:10] <kbmonkey> hi superfly Langjan 
[19:10] <kbmonkey> awe your alternate Cd does not work? :(
[19:10] <Langjan> hi kbmonkey
[19:10] <kbmonkey> does it not have an upgrade option whenyou boot from the CD
[19:10] <Kilos> nope. now im trying it via command line
[19:10] <superfly> kbmonkey: it does, oom Kilos was just being a little light-headed
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <superfly> (and you can't upgrade when booting from the CD, AFAIK)
[19:11] <Kilos> superfly, from where must i run that "sudo /media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386/cdromupgrade"
[19:12] <Kilos> miles@P4:/media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386$ sudo /media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386/cdromupgrade
[19:12] <superfly> Kilos: anywhere
[19:12] <Kilos> sudo: /media/Ubuntu: command not found
[19:12] <superfly> ja oom, but I told you to tab-complete the directory name
[19:12] <superfly> otherwise you'll get it wrong
[19:12] <Kilos> mustnt it have apt-get or aptitude in there
[19:12] <superfly> no
[19:13] <superfly> type in "sudo /media/Ubu<tab>"
[19:13] <superfly> and then the rest
[19:14] <Kilos> it bloeps again by tab
[19:14] <Kilos> with the capital U
[19:15] <superfly> Kilos: OK, then type this, as you see it (with the quotes and everything): sudo "/media/Ubuntu 11.04 i386/cdromupgrade"
[19:23] <jan_> superfly, the problems seems to be with 11.10 which uses thunderbird as default, I loaded the same profile onto my trusty 11.04 and it is fine.
[19:24] <superfly> jan_: the profile contains themes and addons and stuff. Profiles do not generally work across major upgrades
[19:24] <superfly> that is likely the problem you are seeing
[19:25] <jan_> eish, and I just only learnt how to transfer profiles. How do you transfer the mails and adresses etc when upgrading?
[19:27] <superfly> I don't know how to transfer addresses... mails are just files at the end of the day, so you can just copy those across... these days Thunderbird has an importer to import just the mails from a directory on disk.
[19:28] <Kilos> eish first thing it wanted was to check online so i pulled modem
[19:28] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2UQ4rCrj4
[19:28] <Kilos> thats the result
[19:28] <Kilos> grrr
[19:31] <Kilos> i give up for now superfly maybe better to save the data and stay on maverick a bit longer
[19:32] <superfly> Kilos: hrm, that's a weird error
[19:32] <superfly> did the GUI tell you that?
[19:33] <Kilos> yes
[19:33] <Kilos> it might be because it doesnt see medibuntu on the cdrom?
[19:33] <Kilos> i go look in there terminal if i can find out more
[19:34] <superfly> hrm, maybe... you can try disabling medibuntu
[19:34] <Kilos> i will paste what the terminal said
[19:36] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20Uz3sWW2
[19:38] <Kilos> it didnt show any more in the terminal
[19:40] <Kilos> we leave it for now superfly got a thumper here. need to lie down. ty for the help
[19:40] <superfly> kk
[19:40] <Kilos> kbmonkey, why dont you learn networking
[19:41] <Kilos> you can sit on the beach and make money
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe
[19:41] <superfly> Kilos: none of those messages are errors
[19:42] <Kilos> oh
[19:42] <kbmonkey> sjoe Kilos that sure is some error!
[19:42] <Kilos> when it starts it asks to go online
[19:43] <superfly> Kilos: and usually you can tell it not to
[19:43] <Kilos> i pulled modem and ticked no and it ran long time trying to setup software centre and never got past that
[19:43] <superfly> it says, "do you want to go online" and you just say no
[19:43] <Kilos> yes i did
[19:43] <kbmonkey> just let it run over night if it seems to take a while
[19:43] <superfly> OK
[19:44] <Kilos> i will try again tomorrow
[19:44] <Kilos> sleep tight all of you
[19:44] <kbmonkey> okay Kilos 
[19:44] <kbmonkey> see you tomorrow
[19:49] <kbmonkey> it seems like a bug in the update process superfly, letting it go online will resolve it -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/38703/an-unresolvable-problem-occurred-while-calculating-the-upgrade-how-to-solve-it
[19:49] <superfly> kbmonkey: ah
[19:50] <kbmonkey> oh well now we know :p
[19:50] <superfly> my last few upgrades were online, I haven't done a CD upgrade in 2 or 3 years
[20:34] <Kerbero> who have ever heard of an isp that blocks all UDP?
[20:40] <superfly> nope, not me
[20:41] <Kerbero> yes it is really a joke
[20:42] <Kerbero> never send you kids to the university of stellenbosch
[20:42] <Kerbero> the IT infrastructure is run by idiots