=== chronos is now known as chronossc === chronossc is now known as chronos === fitoria_ is now known as fitoria [00:43] 111 [00:44] lll [00:45] test 測試訊號测试讯号AM [00:48] lenovo: fail [00:49] roller 阿農牌克你一頓號再見 roller 阿农牌克你一顿号再见 [00:49] lenovo: Now i have no idea what you are checking [01:22] So I have this issue since my last update (I'm on 11.10) [01:22] ten or fifteen moinutes after logging in the mouse goes wonky. I can move the pointer around just fine but clicking does nothing [01:22] Sometimes it comes back, sometimes it doesn't. [01:23] The only way to fix it is by restarting kwin [01:23] kwin? [01:23] But either this fixes it for a few seconds, or it only works for a isingle window afterwards [01:23] you have desktop effects on or off? [01:23] On [01:24] I'd been using them happily for months [01:24] no problems [01:24] If I can manage to log out and log in again I get a reprieve. Sometimes as much as an hour or two [01:24] Before it happens again [01:25] It's very unpredictable too. Sometimes right-clicking on a window will reenable my ability to left-click on the window as well [01:25] I'm back on Unity to verify that it's KDE only [01:26] So far no problems [01:27] I had been messing around with VMWare at around the same time I updated my system, so for a while I thought it was an issue with VMWare's mouse-grabbing [01:27] But I've since compeltely uninstalled VMware [01:30] avdi: what driver? [01:31] Catalyst [01:35] Bye I suppose [03:03] test Qa3 [03:04] test 2 [03:04] test log [03:04] off [03:05] Strange robot [03:07] 8331 19641 1 3313 69242 2 1133 33196 3 3 [03:07] chigo [03:07] off [03:11] shedo on [03:11] off [05:08] Daskreech: In case you were wondering, you cannot register init.d scripts that begin with a number as rc attempts to determine runlevel, sending a start to, in the case of S990start_avwizard, as S99 and S90. [05:09] So scripts start twice. [05:41] Daskreech: I thought so...just checking :) [05:44] L3top: what's the fix for that? [05:45] ronnoc: Sure [05:46] hello BIGIDIOT [05:49] Well... I am changing the name of the scripts once I have time to make all of the relevant code changes throughout, My current hack is to mv /etc/rc5.d/S990start_avwizard /etc/rc5.d/S99a0start_avwizard as it is just a sym link. We need it to follow all 98's and precede all 99s. Another option is to create a true event based upstart... but I rather like buntu's way of determination. It is clever. [05:50] L3top: what relevant code changes throughout ? [05:50] I wouldn't really call it a bug, but a requirement. [05:50] Oh... we have like 4 million lines of code in our project, built on kubuntu. [05:50] and they have hard coded links to the file names? [05:52] That particular script launches all of the audio/video wizard stuff... this detects hardware, and generates xorg and asound files based on user settings. It is a convenient file to link to when regenning on the fly. [05:52] we have our own X environment, with a link to start desktop [05:52] if they want [05:53] the reason it lives in init.d is in case of hardware changes... it automatically detects and installs/configures without the user doing anything. [05:55] but several things will make changes in the database, those flags cause certain behavioral changes, so it is linked to here and there. It is a ginormous project... I just have to make sure there are no stray references. [05:56] or change them... and the installers... and this and that [05:57] will take a few days to make sure I have right is all. The old detection routine masked this duplication. I added a whole lot more hardware to the autoconfigs and was confused why my wizard was running twice... which led me to all of this. [06:00] How can I view system info (mem size, processor, etc) in a gui? [06:02] SOunds like a good use of variable passing [06:03] mr-rich: alt=F2 -> kinfocenter [06:04] Daskreech: ty [06:04] mr-rich: Of course [06:05] woman league time is now who confirm1 off [06:06] lenovo: you are a strange little bot [06:06] lol [06:06] 20 litre jet gun source1 [06:07] off firm [06:07] 1off [06:07] off [06:07] and then you leave [06:07] yep [06:07] Quassel, so said CTCP. [06:09] Yes but joins every few hours says three random phrases of which the last one is off then leaves [06:09] Yep. [06:27] anyway... it is a home automation platform, with a media center. It is really unlike anything else. A whole lot of moving parts though... a lot of plumbing to make everything interact with everything. At its core it is just a very intricate messaging bus. www.linuxmce.org check it out if you are bored. All open source. [06:29] Oh I know Linux MCE [06:29] I was actually thinking about it when you started describing it [06:30] They were trying to workout an arrangement with KDE at one point [06:32] Yes... of course the architecture can be lain over anything really... but we are Kdependent atm. :) [07:17] L3top: Kdepenedent? :) [07:17] Nice turn of phrase [07:31] L3top: has linuxmce improved? When I looked last a couple of years ago, it looked flashy, but was a pain to use, and wanted to do way, way too much. (like it couldn't handle not being the gateway & stuff) [07:38] hi guys. I have my /home partition encrypted, and I've recently started having problems with logon. It doesnt mount the home partition automatically, and I have to mount it manually from the tty. Any suggestions, please? [08:46] test [08:51] Hello [08:54] hi lordievader [08:58] Tm_T, hey how are you? [08:58] busy at work [09:38] Bonjour à tous [09:38] Neolex_, hey [09:39] première fois que je viens sur irc ^^ [09:39] !languages [09:40] Neolex_, this is an English irc, if you want to speak French please join the French channel. [09:40] !French [09:40] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [09:40] lordievader: oh sorry i didnt know.. I don't speak english very well.. thank you ! [09:41] Neolex_, sure no problem ;) [09:54] hi, I've just played with 12.04 beta 2 and I launched telepathy client [09:54] it's hardly usable without any icon in the panel [09:55] is there any way to have such icon? [09:56] For support on 12.04 you need to join #ubuntu+1, this is for kubunut 11.10 [09:56] lordievader: ok, thanks === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube [11:46] hi all. What inactivates my ufw? [11:47] after every single boot I have to turn it on again... [11:55] excognac: you can also ask in #ubuntu about firewall bits, they aren't kubuntu specific [11:58] Riddell: thanks, I'll do so. Principially I dot understand how could this happen. Could I mess up something really wrong? [12:00] excognac: you mean the kcm module ? [12:00] excognac: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/UFW+KControl+Module?content=137789 ? [12:02] peace: I never used kcm module, always commandline [12:03] excognac: so it's not kde specific issue [12:03] peace: according to Riddell, I have posted it on #ubuntu [12:04] excognac: cat /etc/ufw/ufw.conf [12:04] excognac: look for this [12:04] ENABLED=yes [12:05] peace: is there now since I've just enabled upon this boot. [12:06] excognac: into the config file ENABLED=yes or not? [12:07] peace: it is indeed. that's why i don't understand the whole issue [12:07] mmm [12:07] ksystemlog says something ? [12:09] peace: only this 03/04/2012 12:56:33 [ 851.334884] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlan0 OUT= MAC=33:33:00:00:00:fb:c8:bc:c8:d5:b4:5a:86:dd SRC=fe80:0000:0000:0000:cabc:c8ff:fed5:b45a DST=ff02:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:00fb LEN=72 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=1 FLOWLBL=0 PROTO=ICMPv6 TYPE=131 CODE=0 [12:10] sorry for not pastebin [12:10] !paste [12:10] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [12:11] !paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/912904/ [12:12] excognac: btw kubuntu version ? [12:12] peace: 11.10, kde 4.8.1 from ppa otherwise fully updated system on a laptop [12:14] excognac: try to see this http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/applications/186259-ufw-wont-start-boot-tried-everything-i-could-find.html [12:15] excognac: sorry but i have never had this issue before xD [12:18] peace: indeed many thanks for your time [12:24] Hiyas all [12:41] hola [12:42] alguien habla español? [12:46] !es | aries31 [12:46] aries31: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [12:56] !ops [12:56] fuck [12:56] fuck [12:56] HFSPLUS: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. === dad is now known as Guest64115 [13:11] hi === toscalix__ is now known as toscalix === administrator is now known as Guest4938 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:28] is kernel 3.3 included in 12.04? [14:29] #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 Timmy [14:29] pardon me? [14:29] /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion of 12.04 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:39] Timmy, no , the latest kernel is 3.2 on 12.04 === nowardev2 is now known as Peace- === lindalou is now known as westmi === per is now known as Guest2379 [15:55] Greetings all, been running 11.10 for a while, and it's been fine. Thinking about upgrading to 12.04, even though it's still beta 2. Good Idea, bad idea? [16:00] ScottyK: Why do you want to upgrade? [16:04] ScottyK, BAD IDEA [16:04] ScottyK, hope that's clear and visible enough [16:05] ScottyK, "if it's not broken, don't fix it." [16:06] ScottyK, also, beta versions are very likely to break things... [16:09] lethu, , ScottyK , for your info, running 12.04beta2/kde4.8.2 here , all is well , so far :) [16:10] BluesKaj, which way have you used to upgrade? [16:13] !worksforme | BluesKaj [16:13] BluesKaj: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/ [16:14] having said that. It works for me ^_^ [16:14] But I ran KDE from version 3.997 so take that with a blue grain of salt === ubuntu_ is now known as rohanRiddell [16:27] feh, dont know why I keep getting disconnected [16:28] Hi, I wrote my own init.d-script based on skeleton inside /etc/init.d. [16:28] It's 11.10 Upgrade to t 12.04 ^_^ [16:28] I know the adage of "if it's not broke, don't fix it", so was just wanted to try out the Beta 2. I'll dig out a seperate box for it [16:28] Unfortunatelly I didn't found any doc about depencies of other services (init.d-scripts). [16:28] ScottyK: you can do it on your main machine if you can live without stuff like GUI for a few days [16:28] Just in case the worst happens [16:29] Daskreech - Love the GUI part, I'll wait then! LOL [16:29] ScottyK: Not saying you won't have a GUI :) Just saying things can go wrong and you should be willing to debug things [16:30] Floh79: they declare the dependencies at the top of the file [16:30] Daskreech: You mean Required-Start, am I right? [16:31] ScottyK: If you have a spare machine I would say go for it. Try and hunt down problems and push to get them fixed. Makes it a worthwhile journey :) [16:31] Floh79: yes [16:31] Daskreech, bah humbug! , just your bot post abve :) [16:32] I qualified it with "for your info " [16:32] Daskreech: So I just enter filename of init.d-script there? [16:32] BluesKaj: ^_^' Just saying that encouraging someone to jump into a testing package purely on it works for me might be setting false expectations [16:33] Floh79: no you set the requirement. So in the init script that it depends on there is a section that says Provides: [16:33] well, he asked , i didn't encourage , just told him my siuation , Daskreech [16:33] In your init-scripts required start you put what the other script provides [16:33] BluesKaj: Fair enough [16:34] I'm encouraging but trying to lay out the pros cons [16:34] Daskreech: Oh... well. Do you know doc about that? I wan't try to rtfm instead to fire you questions. :) [16:34] Daskreech: Tried with 'man init.d' but alas. [16:34] I fully expect it to work for ScottyK but that doesn't mean my expectations won't burn either [16:34] Daskreech: Ah... sorry... now I understand. I'll doublecheck... [16:34] !upstart [16:34] Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model. For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ [16:35] Floh79: good luck wit hthat site I've not found it remarkably useful :) [16:35] asamof I just had a couple of crashes , with chrmoium and a stsrtu shutdown setting , to be fair , ScottyK [16:35] gawd my typing sucs [16:36] lawl [16:36] !lol | Daskreech [16:36] Daskreech, please see my private message [16:38] Daskreech: Thanx. I'll open url you just suggested me then I'll try with provides/required-start/required-stop. [16:39] Floh79: If you need your script to depend on something else just find what that script provides and let your script require that to start [16:39] ScottyK: You hadn't said why you wanted to install 12.04 [16:42] Daskreech: Jupp, without $ right? Example serviceA provides "foo", if serviceB needs service A then I'll write "foo" at Required-Start-line. [16:43] Floh79: Yes [16:44] Daskreech: Thank you very much. :) [16:45] Daskreech - wanted to install 12.04 because I've heard a lot of good things so far from reading the forums. Seems to be more stable at this point that when 11.10 was in beta 2 [16:45] Daskreech: Required-Stop - Does it mean a Service must be stopped before current one will be stopped? Or does it mean, a Service must be running bevore I can stop current service? [16:45] ScottyK: It is [16:45] Just dug out an extra box out of the closet, so there is my test machine! [16:46] hope it has 1G Ram [16:46] at least [16:46] ScottyK: Woooooo :) [16:47] Arguh, the RAM is gone! [16:47] my test machine died ... [16:47] Floh79: Service should be running i.e. if given a choice stop me before you stop these guys [16:47] now have to dig through the parts closet [16:48] Daskreech: Ok... thanx. :) You're great help. [16:49] Daskreech: Sad there is no useful docs (at least I didn't found one). [16:49] OK here's a stick, 1GB of DDR, should work [16:50] when i click magnet links (bittorrent) in browser it takes forever to see torrent in ktorrent. KDE is doing some "important testing" (it can be seen in system tray). Anyone knows how to disable this slooow url test? [16:52] <-- is going writing scriptes [16:52] Goodbye everyone. [16:54] I'm not a fan of akonadi , but I like kmail , but akonadi errors contantly , the server self test has 8 errors , tried reinstalling all akonadi components in synptic , but to no avail. [16:55] synaptic [16:55] any ideas ? [16:56] most 12.04 users don't have probs with kmail/akonadi [16:58] oops, should have posted in ubuntu+1 [17:02] Hello [17:04] hi lordievader [17:05] Daskreech, hey, how are you? [17:05] BluesKaj: What errors? [17:05] lordievader: Still sleeping [17:06] lol [17:19] wtf [17:19] kauabanqaaaa [17:20] how can configurate my kubuntu to take over the world? [17:21] that doesn't help , pls refrain from foul language abreviations ..just ask a resonable question ,m if you have one [17:21] jonnymaddox: start from the source [17:23] °__° hm too bad, ok === pvivek_ is now known as pvivek [17:42] I just installed Kubuntu 11.10 on my laptop. It didn't recognize my wireless adapter (Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter) After I installed the updates, the wireless adapter started working. I had to restart my laptop, when it restarted, the wireless adapter wouldn't work again. Any ideas? [17:44] shannon_: I'm confused was it working before? [17:44] Daskreech, Yes [17:45] hi, i m a linux noob, i spend 8 hours to install ubuntu because i needed the graphics driver, nice to meet you all [17:45] at no point in that story did it ever work, other than when you said it wouldn't work again [17:45] skurcey: Nice to meet you [17:45] just need an intensive console training ^^ [17:48] skurcey: Console as in you don't have a GUI? [17:48] Daskreech, I just read what I wrote again, and it makes sense. When I first installed the system, IT DID NOT WORK, I had to have it wired to get a connection. I installed my updates, restarted the laptop, and the wireless worked. I shut down, and when I started back up the adapter was no longer working. That's as plain as I can say it [17:48] i have one Daskreech [17:49] shannon_: Bah sorry I read "after I installed the updates the wireless adapter stopped working" [17:49] skurcey: But you wnat to learn the command line? [17:49] shannon_: sounds like a module wasn't loaded [17:49] yeah, console is fun ! [17:49] i want to learn shell script also [17:50] Daskreech, how would I fix that? [17:50] well, it s somewhaat related [17:50] shannon_: can you open a terminal ? [17:50] !commands > skurcey [17:50] skurcey, please see my private message [17:51] Daskreech: It's open [17:51] sorry i m configuring my irc client and looking for a sound so i m noticed [17:51] skurcey A usefull website for linux commands: http://linuxcommand.org/ [17:51] shannon_: type lsmod | grep at [17:51] let me know if it returns anything [17:51] skurcey, do you have any programming skills [17:52] blitz3d and c# nothing facy [17:52] Daskreech: Yes, would you like me to put it in paste.ubuntu? [17:52] i know the basis [17:53] shannon_: is ath9k listed there? [17:53] Daskreech: yes [17:53] skurcey, then bash scripting will be quite easy, you just need to learn the syntax, there are some differences between bash and C, but they are still quite alike. [17:54] Daskreech: Actually it's ath5 [17:54] shannon_: hmm [17:54] try modprobe -r ath5 && modprobe ath9k [17:55] can i find a beep sound somewhere in ubuntu? [17:56] skurcey, it seems /usr/share/sounds has system sounds [17:56] Daskreech: FATAL: Module ath5 not found. [17:56] shannon_: >_> [17:56] lsmod | grep ath5 returns a line right ? [17:57] Daskreech: yes [17:58] shannon_: ok try modprobe ath9k [17:58] thanks lordievader, really appreciate it [17:58] * skurcey bows [17:59] Daskreech: error: inserting ath9k_common [17:59] skurcey, no problem, here to help ;) [18:00] shannon_: ok then [18:00] shannon_: can you pastebin the output from lspci [18:02] Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/913390/ [18:04] ooops wrong button [18:05] trying to figure how to put channels in favorite with Quassel :/ [18:06] shannon_: strange that shoudl work. [18:06] In fact it did [18:07] Daskreech, It is driving me nuts! [18:07] Daskreech: I'm wondering if it's a hardware issue? [18:09] shannon_: No i would guess firmware if I was pushed but the not having a ath9k_common is strange [18:10] Daskreech: at the risk of sounding stupid, is there a way to update the firmware? [18:14] shannon_: There is but I'd rather look at other solutions since it did work at some point so ... it should work again [18:14] Just need to get it consistent [18:15] Daskreech: OK [18:19] shannon_: Though of course the first thing to do is to get it working. again. Do you remember what was in the updates? [18:20] Daskreech: There were a lot of updates. It was right after I did a fresh install [18:21] ping [18:23] shannon_: ok do you know if one of them was a new kernel? [18:23] Daskreech: It was after I installed the updates that it started working. I shut down the laptop, and when I restarted it, the wireless no longer worked [18:23] that might explain some thingk [18:23] Daskreech: Is it possible for me to check in the package manager? [18:23] shannon_: ok try reboot and when the bios screen goes away get the grub menu and see if there is more than one option for a kernel and boot into an older version [18:24] Daskreech: OK, I'm on the laptop in question, so I will be back [18:26] shannon_: Yes or you could paste bin /boot/grub/grub.cfg [18:27] Daskreech, did shannon run if or iwconfig to see if the driver was loading [18:28] * skurcey is impressed by ubuntu [18:28] * BluesKaj is more impressed by kubuntu [18:28] * skurcey just need a 100 mega connection to feel his life accomplished [18:29] mega what? [18:29] and someone explain why the f... i paid 70€ for win 7 pro [18:30] mega bit [18:30] i dont have VDSL in meh little village and i'm sad [18:30] but i can take via cable [18:30] No cable either? [18:30] skurcey, because W7 is supposedly the answer to a regular pc users needs and dreams :) [18:31] i m planning to change [18:31] * skurcey blames IBM [18:31] but i didnt test WINE yet [18:31] so wait and see [18:31] Here we got 120Mbit, not that my personal router can handle it tough... [18:32] * skurcey drools [18:32] shannon_, have you run ifconfig in the konsole [18:32] skurcey, what are you planning to run in Wine? [18:32] Daskreech: Do I feel stupid.. I hit the switch off the front of the laptop. This is an old laptop and I'm not used to having a switch [18:32] games [18:33] but i still have my windows partition [18:33] skurcey, check the wine appdb shows if things are running in wine, and how. [18:33] Got a dual boot here too, and a laptop with just windows... [18:33] Daskreech: thank you for taking your time to help me. === Unknown__ is now known as Unknow [18:39] :-D [18:39] goodevening [18:39] :-D [18:40] lukito, hey [18:40] hey [18:40] how areyou??? [18:40] i'm from otaly [18:40] italy [18:40] :-) [18:41] there s no country, we re all from the internet [18:41] * skurcey feels like a little Shakespear [18:41] Nice going skurcey, but Im still in Holland :P [18:42] hi lukito [18:42] !it [18:42] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [18:42] If it helps [18:42] lordievader: you really want that i quote myself? [18:43] "The fins are the wings of the poor" [18:43] ^ [18:43] ^^ [18:43] skurcey, We got an offtopic channel :P [18:43] ooops [18:43] wich is? [18:43] #kubuntu-offtopic [18:43] yeah sorry 281 users [18:46] arg [18:46] skurcey, what's wrong? [18:48] i keep pressing the wrong button trying to put a channel in favorite>< [18:49] hi all has anyone had problems playing flash video with firefox in the last week or so? [18:50] Starwatcher, yes after the update, what I did to fix it was downgrade to the previous version [18:50] perhaps there is a better fix though. [18:50] haven't seen any issues here [18:50] as previous of firefox or the flash player? [18:51] earlier version of flash [18:51] I use chromium btw, so it probably is a problem in flash... [18:52] ok thought that might be the answer. Chrome works with the flash 11.2 r202 but firefox chokes. [19:11] excellent work on Kubuntu, as advertised, it just works. Keep it up [19:17] new2net: thanks, I forwarded your message to our devels (: [19:54] hi, Compiz processus in taking much CPU load on ubuntu 11.10 is therre a way to onfigure it so it take less CPU? [20:05] Hi :) [20:05] kirreen, hello [20:05] how are you? [20:05] Great, thanks :) [20:05] I installed ubuntu on my lappy yesterday [20:06] And I haven't had all that much experience with linux. [20:06] Any nice thingymajjigs I should know about :)? [20:06] perhaps it is a good idea to join the ubuntu channel, this is the kubuntu channel, small but important difference. [20:06] Oh... [20:06] It was default on Konversation, thought it said ubuntu :P [20:07] "/join #ubuntu" without the "" [20:07] Wait [20:07] What are the biggest difference of Kubuntu and ubuntu? [20:07] perhaps you are using kubuntu... [20:07] that s a mess there [20:07] As an OS [20:07] NO [20:07] :P [20:07] kirreen: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [20:07] I'm using ubuntu [20:07] tons of users connecting and disconnecting :( [20:08] I installed Konversation, seemed like a nice freeware client. [20:08] kirreen, kubuntu uses the kde desktop and ubuntu uses the unity desktop [20:08] Ok, thanks :) [20:08] Well, of to the ubuntu channel, thanks for redirecting me. [20:08] also differnt applications [20:08] no problem :) [20:11] skurcey, you can turn the joins and quit notifications off [20:22] does anybody know if there's a ppa for bespin somewhere? [20:23] mokush, do you mean this one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-bespin [20:24] lordievader: how come I don't find it in muon? Is it supposed to be available in 11.10? [20:25] mokush, I think not, the launchpad latest version is for natty which is 11.04 or 10.10, you could try installing that one though. [20:31] gotta go, cya all [21:23] konsole switches such as --nomenubar doesn't work. Why is that? [21:24] ctrl+M ? [21:25] Daskreech: ctrl+shift+m for knosole === david is now known as Guest34939 [21:31] James1479: :) sorry [21:31] Hello, all.. I'm not sure where I should ask this question, but I was depending on ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports for a version of qt4 for lucid.. [21:32] it appears that the kubuntu-backports ppa is now a duplicate of kubuntu-beta.. [21:32] is that intentional, or was it a mistake and it's due to be reverted? [21:33] specifically libqt4-dev version 4.7 or higher [21:35] developer01: things normally move from beta to backports when they get released [21:35] James1479: but the lucid backports are gone, now... [21:35] James1479: is that normal? [21:36] developer01: gone? [21:37] James1479: kubuntu-backports now only contains oneric. it no longer has lucid packages. [21:37]