[00:12] <CrazyFireman> trying to to update to 12.04 from 11.10 and the install is hung on downloading dropbox..4% and i cant exit it?
[00:14] <CrazyFireman> what can i do to cancel it?
[01:45] <codepal> why are both google-chrome & chromium-browser crashing in Precise?
[01:46] <codepal> anybody else having issues with it?
[01:46] <codepal> it's Segmentation Faulting
[01:46] <codepal> for me
[01:49] <Logan_> wfm
[02:05] <trism> codepal: if it is happening randomly, may be: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/929219
[02:05] <codepal> trism, not random
[02:06] <codepal> been waiting weeks for some sort of fix to be updated, I assumed it was a kernel problem
[02:08] <mkultra_> im amd 64 works good over here
[02:09] <trism> codepal: ahh, mine works fine most of the time, but rarely I will get the above crash
[02:09] <mkultra_> im 12.04 amd64 and it works ok
[02:09] <mkultra_> is it upon load?
[02:09] <codepal> yup
[02:09] <cc11rocks> How stable will 12.04 be in comparison to 11.10?
[02:10] <codepal> anytime, repeatable
[02:10] <codepal> bit annoying, I like to have 3 browsers to manage web development with
[02:10] <tc_me> 11.10 = levono
[02:10] <mkultra_> your probably missing something like a back end package
[02:10] <mkultra_> i can get mine to load and unload fine
[02:11] <mkultra_> browsed fine too
[02:11] <codepal> I'm using webup8 team & unity teams repos
[02:11] <codepal> so that's probably wots wrong with it all
[02:11] <trism> codepal: did you try a clean profile? chromium-browser --temp-profile
[02:13] <codepal> yup
[02:13] <mkultra_> whats your hardware etc
[02:13] <codepal> rm -R on /home/$user$/.config/google-chrome -- or chromium
[02:13] <codepal> toshiba l300, i386
[02:14] <mkultra_> $HOME/.config
[02:14] <codepal> mkultra_, same things
[02:14] <mkultra_> homes quicker =D
[02:14] <codepal> Intel Mobile 4 Chipset
[02:15] <codepal> :,( - quicker is not always better
[02:15] <mkultra_> $user$ u say?
[02:15] <codepal> back to the problemo, I will investigate by doing a fresh install on another HDD, without all the extra repos that I've added....
[02:16] <mkultra_> i suggest building a usb stick that you can use as a boot
[02:16] <codepal> yeah well
[02:16] <mkultra_> i use usb to test if its my os or not
[02:16] <cc11rocks> Will Ubuntu 12.04 (and the 3.2 kernel) have support for the Intel Atom N2600 and Intel Atom N2800 processors?
[02:16] <codepal> HDD's are more in plenty than  USB sticks are round  here....
[02:16] <codepal> each to his own
[02:17] <mkultra_> unetbootin is epic u should give it a try one of these days lol
[02:17] <codepal> mkultra_, I did try - and it was an epic fail
[02:17] <mkultra_> really?
[02:17] <codepal> really
[02:18] <mkultra_> u might be having epic ubuntu fails though
[02:18] <mkultra_> i have one, my wifi dont work
[02:18] <codepal> that's how you learn stuff
[02:18] <codepal> I love making things die horribly
[02:18] <codepal> like a mouse or frog, slowly dissecting
[02:18] <codepal> you get the picture?
[02:18] <mkultra_> my pc's known to over heat and fry the wifi out though
[02:18] <cc11rocks> Are there a list of supported processors for the kernel/Ubuntu anywhere?
[02:18] <codepal> overheat?
[02:19] <mkultra_> yeah, its a laptop, with amd technology
[02:19] <codepal> ever tried cleaning, or using a cooling pad etc?
[02:19] <codepal> this toshiba fried
[02:19] <codepal> inverted screen problem in graphics card
[02:19] <codepal> no good on windows
[02:19] <mkultra_> my cooling pad is markers in x paterns and a fat person fan
[02:19] <codepal> acceptable with xcalib in linux though :P
[02:20] <mkultra_> i have a hp dv9000
[02:20] <codepal> try a grill under you laptop, just give it air main
[02:20] <mkultra_> i need the tv card for it so i can watch crock huntin on discovery
[02:20] <codepal> s/main/man/
[02:20] <codepal> and don't be afraid to use a screwdriver to clean internal fans
[02:20] <mkultra_> i have a shop vac
[02:22] <mkultra_> screw drivers not midevil enough
[02:23] <codepal> nice lappy
[02:24] <codepal> shop vac doesn't get the crust off the fan
[02:24] <codepal> believe me, these lappies get awfully dirty
[02:24] <mkultra_> its not bad
[02:24] <mkultra_> i use a remote keyboard / mouse
[02:25] <mkultra_> i never touch mine
[02:25] <mkultra_> its like new to the next buyer lol
[02:25] <codepal> and the build up in-front of cooling fins is phenomenal
[02:25] <codepal> I prefer cleaning a desktop
[02:25] <codepal> some houses breed dust
[02:26] <codepal> and I clean laptops & desktops about once a month each
[02:27] <mkultra_> i let mine build up
[02:27] <codepal> which is why you'll burn out and get graphics problems
[02:28] <mkultra_> nah....
[02:28] <mkultra_> its wifi problems with this type of pc
[02:29] <codepal> hmm, always has to be something I guess
[02:29] <mkultra_> ive had a few of these laptops, 1 was fried wifi repaired at the factory and doa
[02:29] <codepal> so you like Precise ?
[02:29] <mkultra_> its ok
[02:29] <mkultra_> breaks alot of my goodies
[02:29] <mkultra_> so not really
[02:30] <codepal> toys are nice
[02:31] <mkultra_> at least it didnt fry my web server stuff
[02:38] <eadz> I've been using 12.04 for a few weeks, did an update today and now many applications don't have any styling on the menus and buttons, like they are all square and ugly ( look like GTK1 or something ). any ideas?
[02:39] <nabukadnezar43> hi, is there a workaround for the aptd bug?
[02:39] <Daekdroom> eadz, are you using the default theme?
[02:39] <nabukadnezar43> i'm using xubuntu, don't know if it'll make any difference
[02:41] <eadz> Daekdroom: ambiance? yeah
[02:41] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[02:41] <Daekdroom> It didn't break for me today, but there might have been more updates.
[02:42] <eadz> in advanced settings ( gnome-tweak-tool ) my shell theme dropdown menu is blank. is that the terminal theme or something else?
[02:43] <Daekdroom> That is Gnome Shell's theme.
[02:43] <Daekdroom> You don't have it installed.
[02:43] <eadz> I think it's a bug becasue half of apps have themes, and some don't..
[02:44] <Daekdroom> Can you point examples of apps that do and that do not?
[02:45] <Daekdroom> The last update to the light-themes package is from 4 days ago.
[02:46] <eadz> firefox
[02:46] <eadz> pgadmin
[02:46] <Daekdroom> firefox is still compiled with GTK2.0
[02:47] <eadz> ok, i guess my gtk2.0 theme stopped working
[02:47] <eadz> that makes a lot of sense as the broken apps are also older etc
[02:47] <eadz> is there a way to set a gtk2 theme?
[02:48] <Luke> I just had an update to grub and now when I boot my computer says "error: out of partition" - any idea what's wrong/how to fix?
[02:49] <hggdh> huh. Where's bluetooth?
[02:49] <Daekdroom> hggdh, system settings
[02:49] <hggdh> Daekdroom: yeah. Cannot activate it. On *any* of my precise machines
[02:51] <hggdh> (bluetooth-applet:2613): Gdk-WARNING **: bluetooth-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.
[02:51] <Daekdroom> eadz, themes can have both gtk2 and gtk3 versions together, and you shouldn't have to do anything to set the other one.
[02:52] <Daekdroom> I can change mine through Tweak Tool and Appearance Properties with no problems.
[02:52] <eadz> so maybe the gtk2 part of the default theme broke? I can post a screenshot but I'm sure you can imagine what it looks like.. I guess my symptom is update -> all gtk2 apps got uglier..
[02:53] <nabukadnezar43> Luke: looks like you've a messed up grub configuration
[02:53] <nabukadnezar43> but i'm not sure
[02:53] <nabukadnezar43> checking the ubuntuwiki for grub configuration is all i can suggest
[02:54] <ssfdre38> is Ubuntu 12.04 LTS going to use kernel 3.3.1
[02:54] <nabukadnezar43> ctrl+alt+f2 to get a terminal without x
[02:54] <Daekdroom> ssfdre38, it's using the 3.2 series
[02:54] <nabukadnezar43> and use nano to edit grub
[02:56] <hggdh> pfui, a lot of applets are giving out err 11 on X
[03:48] <andrewaclt> Is anybody using iwlagn and 802.11n?
[05:04] <glosoli> Anyone knows is this usual that TouchPad response time in laptop is bitter than using Mouse ?
[06:10] <alkisg> In previous versions, I could click the pidgin icon in the panel to hide its main window. Now, how can I find the pidgin icon in the gnome-classic session?
[06:11] <alkisg> Are all non-gnome program icons deliberaty hidden in gnome-classic, or they just need to be updated to use some newer gnome library/functions?
[06:11] <alkisg> *deliberately
[06:13] <sandGorgon> is anyone else having broadcom wifi troubles after latest update - I'm getting constant (within a few seconds) disconnection of my wifi
[07:57] <tm> hi. i have a problem with my notebook - the screen doesn't really "refresh". when i log on with lightdm the logon screen is still rendered on my xubuntu-desktop. it does not really "redraw". gpu is intel
[08:02] <hank3three3> tioll now, the updates I have been getting for 12.04 have been opk, and havent done much damage, a few bugs have appeared, but I have reported them, but today, I had an update, and it did something to the grub, it said it couldnt install the grub, and the grubmight not work.....so I carried on, and now, after I click on the grub, I get this error message saying 'error invalid blocklist. Press any key to continue, anybody know what i
[08:02] <hank3three3> s wrong and how I can get over it?
[08:04] <ikonia> check what devices grub is using
[08:04] <hank3three3> how do I do that?
[08:04] <ikonia> and if you know you are making typos please don't cut and paste the typos into another channel
[08:05] <ikonia> ]do you get the grub boot menu ?
[08:05] <hank3three3> yes, then after I click on it the error appears
[08:06] <ikonia> "click" ?
[08:06] <ikonia> is it not a text menu ?
[08:06] <hank3three3> ok, hit enter
[08:06] <hank3three3> sorry
[08:07] <ikonia> I'm asking as people often don't know what they are doing, so don't know what "grub" is, so if you "click" it, it may not be grub, that's why I was asking for clarification, not to be picky
[08:07] <hank3three3> and by the way, I justtt looked over what I pasted, and I dont have any errors from what I can see, as I checked them all
[08:07] <ikonia> hank3three3: press "e" instead and look at the entry you are booting and make sure the info matches up
[08:07] <ikonia> invalid block list
[08:07] <ikonia> is that the exact error ?
[08:08] <hank3three3> yes
[08:08] <ikonia> and if there are no typos, why did you say in #ubuntu-uk "sorry for the typos"
[08:08] <ikonia> actually, I can't be bothered, good luck
[08:08] <hank3three3> because in ubuntu uk there were error
[08:08] <ikonia> it's the same cut and paste
[08:08] <ikonia> good luck sorting it out, can't be bothered arguing with you while trying to help you
[08:09] <hank3three3> I didnt start the argument, you did
[08:09] <hank3three3> forget it
[08:09] <ikonia> already have
[08:09] <hank3three3> dont need your attitude it stinks
[08:09] <ikonia> ok
[08:10] <hank3three3> and what the hell are you doing brining something from another channel anyway
[08:10] <ikonia> trying to help you
[08:10] <ikonia> if you paste soemthing that is wrong in a channel, and then re-past it, it's not helpful as it doesn't get the message across clear
[08:10] <hank3three3> no you werent you were starting an argument
[08:10] <ikonia> that's why I raised "click" as a query
[08:10] <ikonia> not at all
[08:10] <ikonia> just trying to help you get the info across clearly
[08:10] <ikonia> anyway, good luck
[08:10] <hank3three3> you started an argument
[08:11] <hank3three3> dpnt [ush it back on me
[08:11] <ikonia> I didn't argue
[08:11] <ikonia> I asked you to clarify your information,
[08:11] <ikonia> good luck
[08:12] <hank3three3> yeh right
[08:17] <hank3three3> brilliant, now I am going to have to say it again,l after that petty outburst, till now, the updates I have been getting for 12.04 have been opk, and havent done much damage, a few bugs have appeared, but I have reported them, but today, I had an update, and it did something to the grub, it said it couldnt install the grub, and the grubmight not work.....so I carried on, and now, after I click on the grub, I get this error message s
[08:17] <hank3three3> aying 'error invalid blocklist. Press any key to continue, anybody know what is wrong and how I can get over it?
[09:53] <Steevca> I can't get my network to work.The network manager is reporting that the device isn't ready.
[09:57] <pawelero> hi, I've just played with 12.04 beta 2 and I launched telepathy client
[09:57] <pawelero> but it's hardly usable without any icon in the panel
[09:57] <pawelero> is there any way to have such icon?
[09:58] <pawelero> I'm talking about Kubuntu
[09:58] <Tm_T> pawelero: this is Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[09:58] <Tm_T> ah,
[09:58] <Tm_T> pawelero: I believe it's still under some work(?) although I get it under message indicator
[09:59] <pawelero> Tm_T: I didn't check this one ;)
[09:59] <pawelero> and that makes a difference
[10:01] <pawelero> I'll give it a try, thanks
[11:06] <Adys> what channel is appropriate for lightdm dev?
[11:09] <ironm> !lightdm
[11:10] <ironm> hmm ... no entry
[11:17] <slowpoke> hello
[11:17] <slowpoke> I've got an issue with 12.04 , but i am not sure its specifically related to that specific release. it just so happens that i've started using ubuntu at this version.
[11:18] <slowpoke> Specifically, i've got two USB hdd which when connected output "new HIGH speed device" in dmesg, but read performance is still around 1MB/s and progressivley decays over time.
[11:18] <slowpoke> copying over a few hundred gigs took over two days
[11:18] <slowpoke> and now its been churning for an hour copying mere 4 gigs
[11:19] <slowpoke> what could this be?
[12:02] <ironm> hello. Please allow me one question. I use XCP 1.5 (xen) as host and I can successfully install ubuntu-server 11.10 as VM but I am running into a "CD-ROM mount" issue with ubuntu-server 12.04. More detals are in: xcp1.5-ubuntu-server12.04.error.txt - http://paste.debian.net/161870/
[12:03] <ironm> can anyone confirm this issue? Thank you in advance for any hints.
[12:29] <psypher246> hello all, is there anyone here who knows the name of the peice of software which detects that you do not have the correct codecs when playing a media file and then attempts to install it?
[12:29] <psypher246> does anyone know how to acticate that script?
[12:30] <c0rnel> hello all
[12:31] <c0rnel> is nvidia driver known to work on 12.04?
[12:35] <ZarroBoogs> c0rnel: iirc, there was a something in the release notes about nvidia, you might want to take a look.
[12:35] <c0rnel> ZarroBoogs, thank you
[12:41] <c0rnel> things are like this: (on a remote friends computer) http://fpaste.org/xuR5/
[12:41] <c0rnel> what should be done? X doesn't start, it seems
[12:44] <ironm> Hello. Probably this channel is the more appropriate one. Does anyone run ubuntu-server 12.04 on XCP 1.5 host? (free xen-server)
[12:44] <itaylor57> c0rnel, did you try running sudo apt-get install -f as suggested
[12:44] <c0rnel> she's trying it now
[12:44] <c0rnel> it's replacing old unity with new unity
[12:44] <c0rnel> itaylor57, thank you
[12:46] <elijah> What package would I file a bug against for USB hardware?
[12:47] <elijah> Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 won't keep logitech usb nano receiver attached on resume from standby
[12:47] <psypher246> hi all, how does one get develpoer attention to bugs you logged that don't get looked at?
[12:47] <philinux> elijah: ubuntu-bug linux would be my choice
[12:47] <elijah> philinux: thanks
[12:48] <philinux> elijah: They could have told you that in #ubuntu as it's a generic question anyway
[12:48] <elijah> psypher246: I would rest assured they are looked at, it is just that devs either have their plate full or don't know how to fix that issue just yet, the more reports the better though, that way the pieces of the puzzle can be filled in but just maybe not right away
[12:49] <elijah> philinux: All good, I forgot this channel existed anyways
[12:49] <psypher246> logged in 2012-02-21, nothing attemded
[12:49] <psypher246> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/937700
[12:49] <philinux> elijah: How's the testing going with you
[12:50] <elijah> philinux: To be honest, pretty buggy :D
[12:50] <elijah> philinux: I just got the test computer, can't compare with how 11.10 ran on it
[12:50] <philinux> elijah: Ah ok, rock solid here. Maybe it's machine specific problems
[12:51] <elijah> philinux: Probably, a Thinkpad W510 multi-touch screen
[12:51] <elijah> philinux: two years old
[12:52] <philinux> elijah: acer 1410 and my desktop is a local builder machine with asus mobo amd cpu and nvidia 8600gt
[12:53] <elijah> philinux: I do like where Ubuntu is headed, quite a few paper cuts still but getting better daily!
[12:54] <elijah> philinux: I notice some of the apps still have window focus issues, that was a big paper cut I was hoping to be resolved in Pangolin
[12:54] <philinux> elijah: Which apps
[12:55] <elijah> philinux: I totally jumped from KDE when I tested Ocelot
[12:55] <elijah> philinux: For one, ubuntu-bug, which I filed a bug on
[12:55] <snadge> nx server is broken.. argh :p
[12:56] <elijah> philinux: A few others but I haven't reported them yet, I reported about 5 bugs yesterday and have only been testing since yesterday
[12:56] <Paul24> so i thought i'd try out the beta, any suggestions on where to go if after clicking 'install xubuntu' [using xubuntu variant], it locks up with a black screen? ;/
[12:57] <elijah> Not sure me testing now will have any significant affect on Pangolin but maybe for Q it will
[12:57] <psypher246> elijah: I understand that more reporst are better, but then surely wouldn't it be at least required to mark my bug as a peice of the puzzle instead of not attending to it at all?
[12:57] <elijah> Paul24: Are you running old hardware?
[12:57] <Paul24> nah, new
[12:57] <Paul24> it's an atom 2700 processor box
[12:58] <Paul24> in theory, with 64bit enabled
[12:58] <Paul24> cat /proc/cpuinfo shows lm which iirc indicate 64bit support in processor
[12:58] <elijah> psypher246: Possibly, but understand that many devs are at max capacity and maybe they just haven't had a chance to look at it yet
[12:58] <Paul24> i've used a usb pen with xubuntu as boot disk, once i hit 'install xubuntu' it hangs - no keyboard input etc
[12:58] <elijah> Paul24: Why not try Ubuntu then? I put xubuntu on low spec machines
[12:59] <Paul24> unity seemed to be struggling on it
[13:00] <Paul24> albeit that was on like alpha 2, so might have changed
[13:00] <Paul24> there was a suggestion I read at that point that newer kernel's then what's going to be in 12.04 would be needed for proper support of the cpu/chipset
[13:01] <Paul24> however, that was my reading a month or so ago now
[13:01] <elijah> Paul24: Wouldn't hurt to give that a spin then, eh? Could save a lot of time. Unless you have an urge to hunt bugs down :D
[13:03] <Paul24> tbh, as i'm more likely to use a terminal then gui, I'd figured lightweight might be easier
[13:03] <psypher246>  is there anyone here who knows the name of the peice of software which detects that you do not have the correct codecs when playing a media file and then attempts to install it?
[13:04] <elijah> Paul24: For development I prefer terminal too but when I do use GUI I really like the new Ubuntu (aka Unity)
[13:04] <elijah> Paul24: I see what you are saying though, guess it isn't turning out to be easier in this case
[13:05] <Paul24> or I do a server install and add a gui later
[13:05] <Paul24> that could work
[13:07] <Paul24> in any case, I think 3.2.0 might be too old for the hardware, so gonna have fun with whatever I do
[13:07] <psypher246> elijah: do you use multi monitors?
[13:07] <elijah> Where is the bug to make Launchpad look nicer?
[13:07] <elijah> lol
[13:08] <elijah> psypher246: I do
[13:08] <psypher246> elijah: gfx driver? nv, nouveau or ati?
[13:08] <elijah> psypher246: nvidia
[13:09] <psypher246> elijah: when you zoom out (super+s) do you get the same weird issues i mentioned in that bug, apps jumping to other desks when you click on it?
[13:10] <psypher246> elijah: when you drag apps to other desks does the screen flicker and desks switch around?
[13:11] <elijah> psypher246: Do you mean snap as in super + s?
[13:12] <psypher246> I understand snap to be the compiz feature that snapps the window to space on the desktop
[13:12] <psypher246> expo is the zoom out ctrl+s
[13:12] <psypher246> seeing all desktops at the same time essentially
[13:12] <psypher246> and being able to move apps around
[13:13] <elijah> psypher246: I am running dual on my 11.10 setup right now, my new W510 is running Pangolin and I won't be setting that up fully until tomorrow when my Intel 510 SSD gets here :D, I can't test right now
[13:13] <psypher246> ok cool
[13:13] <elijah> psypher246: It doesn't do that on 11.10 though, that's for sure
[13:14] <psypher246> snap and expo has been broken since oneiric was relased
[13:14] <elijah> psypher246: Have you tried the Nvidia driver?
[13:14] <psypher246> elijah: not yet. i prefer the nouveau cos then you can use ubuntu's multimonitor tools and not the crappy nvidia one
[13:15] <elijah> psypher246: I understand your preference and I am not suggesting to use it permanently but it would help the devs rule out that variable
[13:15] <psypher246> elijah: yeha i know what you mean. i will try it out
[13:15] <psypher246> but i am afraid that if no-one has even seen my bug for 3 months that it's not going to get looked at any time soon
[13:16] <elijah> psypher246: never know but if it were me I would try Nvidia and then report back saying it does/does not happen with Nvidia
[13:17] <elijah> psypher246: Looked at the video and yeah it appears to have nothing to do with graphics drivers
[13:19] <psypher246> my gut tells me the issue is with snap. there are so many issues with it I can;t even start to explain. but it's the one feature of compiz/unity i love the most, and it looks like canonical devs are crippling it even more. worked SO well in natty , but since then it's not happy
[13:20] <psypher246> elijah: brb installed nvidia
[13:20] <elijah> psypher246: Oh wait, you mention flicker in your bug, which I didn't see in your video.
[13:26] <snadge> anyone here using nx with precise?
[13:26] <snadge> im trying to run gnome-session --session gnome-fallback
[13:26] <snadge> i get a desktop background.. then the window just disappears and i get a server disconnect message
[13:28] <snadge> i forget where the log file is
[13:39] <c0rnel> anybody have seen this?
[13:39] <c0rnel> http://fpaste.org/w1zQ/
[13:41] <philinux> c0rnel: use dist-upgrade but be careful if it wants to remove important stuff
[13:41] <philinux> c0rnel: or use synaptic
[13:41] <c0rnel> philinux, this is in 12.04, apparently
[13:41] <philinux> c0rnel: precisely
[13:41] <c0rnel> the problem is x is not starting , yet :)
[13:41] <c0rnel> philinux, ok
[13:41] <c0rnel> i'll try dist-upgrade
[13:42] <philinux> c0rnel: just be careful and read what it says before hitting the Y
[13:44] <c0rnel> sure
[13:58] <GeminiDomino> Possibly a stupid question: When Precise is released, will updating from the beta just be a matter of a dist-upgrade?
[13:58] <ZarroBoogs> Thats correct.
[13:58] <GeminiDomino> Okay, groovy. Thank you
[14:01] <snadge> someone help me with nx.. i want to cry :p
[14:05] <philinux> snadge: ask away.
[14:17] <c0rnel> philinux, http://fpaste.org/PhWq/
[14:17] <c0rnel> dante-server is causing problems
[14:18] <c0rnel> can i tell apt-get to skip that package?
[14:18] <philinux> c0rnel: I dont know what that is. Are you using it
[14:19] <c0rnel> no
[14:19] <c0rnel> i'll try to remove it
[14:20] <philinux> c0rnel: It's not installed on my machine so try sud apt-get purge dante-server
[14:20] <philinux> ^typo
[14:20] <c0rnel> ok then
[14:20] <snadge> well.. my nx session just gets terminated
[14:21] <snadge> and i cant see any indication in nxserver.log as to why.. even with log level set to 7
[14:22] <philinux> snadge: Dont run nx maybe someone else will chine in
[14:22] <snadge> ive tried both nomachines nx server free edition, and a ppa for freenx-server
[14:23] <philinux> snadge: Maybe a post here might help you. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=412
[14:24] <snadge> i could give that a shot
[14:26] <khamer> I think I've found a bug with wmctrl, but I'm not sure where/who I should try to troubleshoot it with, Xorg?
[14:27] <khamer> Or, can I get someone else who has wmctrl to do a simple test for me?
[14:27] <philinux> khamer: ubuntu-bug wmctrl
[14:28] <philinux> khamer: there is the channel #xorg
[14:28] <khamer> philinux: Because of the nature of the problem, I'm not sure if its wmctrl's fault or the app I'm trying to resize's fault
[14:28] <khamer> I'll try #xorg
[14:30] <Timmy> is kernel 3.3 included in 12.04?
[14:30] <bazhang> !info linux | Timmy
[14:33] <philinux> Anyone using xchat?
[14:33] <bazhang> philinux, yep
[14:34] <philinux> bazhang: Great. I installed xchat-indicator but if try to run it it says command not found but on starting xchat it says plugin loaded
[14:34] <philinux> I was expecting somethin in the indicator area top right
[14:34] <bazhang> yeah, I recall that
[14:35] <philinux> bazhang: Do you know what the indicator does?
[14:36] <trism> philinux: it should add it to indicator-messages
[14:37] <bazhang> philinux, it puts a big indicator out when you have certain things highlighted, such as your nick, or whatever is included in you r list of things to highlight. for me I have certain curse words as I moderate a couple of channels, as well as my nick and so on
[14:37] <philinux> bazhang: Not getting anything
[14:37] <philinux> bazhang: you mean a notification
[14:37] <bazhang> philinux, much as transmission does for torrents completed or handbrake with rips
[14:38] <philinux> bazhang: Before I installed it I was getting notifications but not now
[14:39] <philinux> I think I'll purge it
[14:39] <bazhang> philinux, thats odd
[14:39] <bazhang> !info xchat-indicator
[14:39] <c0rnel> i don't understand this, it says waiting for network configuration ...
[14:39] <c0rnel> then
[14:39] <c0rnel> booting without full network config
[14:40] <c0rnel> and just sits there
[14:40]  * philinux is rebooting xchat
[14:41] <c0rnel> how can i boot ubuntu in verbose mode?
[14:42] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: press ESC when plymouth shows
[14:42] <c0rnel> yas, but i'd like more details, ActionPa1snip
[14:42] <c0rnel> just sits there, after displaying check battery state
[14:42] <c0rnel> i'll check if there's a quiet in the command line
[14:43] <c0rnel> it seems that apache2 server is hanging
[14:44] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: what GPU do you use?
[14:45] <c0rnel> nvidia
[14:46] <c0rnel> how can i enter recovery mode? it asks for the root password :)
[14:46] <c0rnel> but nobody knows the root password ...
[14:46] <c0rnel> if there's such thing
[14:47] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: did you install the proprietary driver yet?
[14:49] <c0rnel> it's a friend's computer.  the system no longer boots normally. i'm trying to get a recovery shell. i know the user's password, but ubuntu is asking for root's password
[14:49] <c0rnel> ActionPa1snip, it's installed
[14:49] <c0rnel> this is upgraded from 11.10
[14:49] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: try uninstalling it, you can use a chroot from liveCD
[14:49] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: ubuntu doesn't have a root pas
[14:50] <c0rnel> sure
[14:50] <c0rnel> that's why i can't enter recovery mode :)
[14:50] <c0rnel> i'll try a live cd
[14:50] <c0rnel> if i have one :)
[14:52] <jo-erlend> can someone please help me confirm a crasher bug? It only takes a couple of minutes; 1) open Rhythmbox. 2) open the Ubuntu One Music Store. 3) Find some song and play a preview of it. 4) while the preview is playing, click to play another one. 5) Tell me if Rhythmbox crashes.
[14:54] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: its one of teh reasons why it shouldn't be set
[14:54] <c0rnel> hm?
[14:55] <c0rnel> ActionPa1snip, recovery mode offers an "enter root shell" option because the root passsword is not set?
[14:55]  * c0rnel is confused
[14:57] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: it should offer a root recovery mode
[14:58] <c0rnel> i don't remember the exact title
[14:58] <c0rnel> but i remember it asks for the root password :)
[14:59] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: it should drop to the shell without any challenge
[15:00] <c0rnel> hmmm
[15:00] <c0rnel> again it stops after checking battery state ...
[15:03] <c0rnel> can anybody tell me where is the waiting for network configuration message come from?
[15:04] <c0rnel> oh
[15:04] <c0rnel> so what actually happens is that X is not starting, i can switch to text mode just fine
[15:08] <c0rnel> is nvidia-common a dependency for ubuntu-desktop ?
[15:09] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: i believe so yes
[15:09] <c0rnel> ActionPa1snip, thank you
[15:09] <c0rnel> i'll leavi ti then
[15:10] <c0rnel> ActionPa1snip, do you have any experience with nouveau in ubuntu?
[15:11] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: a little, it works on my 6150 just fine but with the 295 driver its a little smoother
[15:11] <c0rnel> 295 is the last one?
[15:12] <c0rnel> i've removed nvidia-current, and now i only get a garbage on screen and no more text mode
[15:12] <philinux> bazhang: my notification s are back now I purged xchat-indicator
[15:13] <c0rnel> mmm
[15:14] <yofel> c0rnel: well, if X doesn't start, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[15:14] <c0rnel> yofel, i'll check next time i'll be able to :)
[15:15] <yofel> if you only removed the nvidia-current package with apt, not jockey, you'll need to move /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way by hand if you didn't
[15:16] <bazhang> philinux, ok. I originally had a PPA for that. I recall having to do likewise. sorry not to help
[15:16] <ActionPa1snip> c0rnel: in the xorg edgers update (less fresh more stable)
[15:16] <c0rnel> yofel, thank you
[15:18] <c0rnel> yofel, done
[15:19] <philinux> bazhang: Cheers. I noticed there is also xchat-gnome-indicator
[15:19] <c0rnel> yofel, no joy
[15:19] <c0rnel> i'll attempt nomodeset
[15:22] <c0rnel> oh
[15:22] <c0rnel> i have gui :)
[15:24] <c0rnel> i wonder why network manager had no wired connection in list ...
[15:27] <c0rnel> it's not managed, it seems
[15:31] <c0rnel> i see traces of systemd, is ubuntu going to use systemd someday?
[15:31] <ratcheer> c0rnel: Good question. I like systemd.
[15:41] <AaronMT> Hello, where online might I find a general summary of what's new in 12.04
[15:47] <ActionPa1snip> AaronMT: http://www.tuxtrix.com/2012/03/whats-new-in-precise-pangolin-ubuntu.html
[15:47] <ActionPa1snip> AaronMT: http://askubuntu.com/questions/111269/what-is-new-in-12-04
[15:47] <babble> is that a blogger theme I haven't seen? hehe.
[15:50] <triptec> I just installed 12.04, and it seems grub crashes, I looked for menu.lst but it doesn't exist, should it?
[15:50] <bazhang> triptec, menu.lst has been gone for several releases now
[15:51] <bazhang> !grub2 | triptec please have a read
[15:51] <ActionPa1snip> triptec: grub2 uses grub.cfg which is generated by update-grub
[15:52] <AaronMT> Thakns ActionPa1snip
[15:52] <triptec> ActionPa1snip:  then I'll have a peak at that one.. just did a clean install but it seems like it's something with the graphics
[15:53] <ActionPa1snip> triptec: what video chip do you use?
[15:53] <triptec> nvidia
[15:54] <GeminiDomino> interesting. I'm locking up on boot right after the CD rom is detected
[15:56] <GeminiDomino> And it's detecting a mouse that doesn't exist.
[15:56] <GeminiDomino> Fantastic </10th Doctor>
[16:00] <ActionPa1snip> triptec: try the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1
[16:01] <triptec> yeah but I don't get anything
[16:01] <triptec> I don't get the list, like default, recovery etc
[16:01] <triptec> memcheck
[16:02] <GeminiDomino> ugh... nouveau has been such a PITA for me the past month...
[16:03] <ActionPa1snip> triptec: hold shift at boot
[16:06] <GeminiDomino> wierd... my 10.04 alternate install disc didn't make me put on a GUI, but the 12.04 didn't give me an option. Is that something likely to change on release (I'm not too familiar with the release process)
[16:20] <jtrucks> is anyone testing 12.04 server on a xen instance? any issues of note?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> I'm not a fan of akonadi , but I like kmail , but akonadi errors contantly , the akonadi server self test has 8 errors , tried reinstalling all akonadi components in synptic , but to no avail. Any ideas?
[17:01] <xangua> who was the idea for kmail to use akonadi¿¿
[17:01] <xangua> :/
[17:02] <BluesKaj> doesn't matter xangua , it's done deal ..have to live with it. I just want to solve my prob
[17:03] <jtrucks> how are people finding the beta2 in terms of server stability? rock solid? shaky?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> jtrucks,  ubuntu-server?
[17:05] <jtrucks> BluesKaj: yeah. 12.04 beta2 server... that's what this channel is for, right? 12.04?
[17:06] <penguin42> not sure how many people on here are running server
[17:06] <jtrucks> I don't use it for a desktop, but before I deploy a new server ito production, now might be a good time to upgrade if beta2 is fairly stable...
[17:06]  * penguin42 should give it a try
[17:06]  * jtrucks doesn't use desktop linux much... 
[17:07] <jtrucks> my one workstation I don't have a monitor on most of the time.. I just SSH in :)
[17:07] <penguin42> jtrucks: No! Don't upgrade until after release on a production server - although it might be wise to try it on a test box
[17:07] <penguin42> (Well of course you can, but I wouldn't!)
[17:08] <BluesKaj> jtrucks, yeah , this is the place ..haven't seen any complaints
[17:08] <jtrucks> penguin42: well, I work in the Cray world where hardware and software is all alpha in production ;)
[17:08] <jtrucks> but this is for my personal server... I'm merging a colo and a VPS on 10.04 onto a new VPS. so it's a clean slate and not running anything just yet.
[17:09] <penguin42> jtrucks: Haha never heard something said like that, well OK, live on the edge :-)
[17:09] <jtrucks> penguin42: you haven't worked with supercomputers then, right? ;)
[17:09] <penguin42> jtrucks: No, but I wouldn't mind doing
[17:09] <jtrucks> too expensive to have test systems that are remotely the size of prod systems, so you test scale issues on the prod stuff and slap in hacks and patches all over the place :P
[17:10] <jtrucks> penguin42: we're hiring a Linux admin.
[17:10] <jtrucks> and a security admin.
[17:10] <jtrucks> actually two linux admins
[17:10] <jtrucks> all RHEL and SLES/SUSE based shop though
[17:10] <jtrucks> well, some desktops are ubuntu, but everything is migrating to RHEL with our new contract.
[17:10] <jtrucks> if interested, PM me.
[17:11] <jtrucks> I'll send you the job specs
[17:11] <penguin42> jtrucks: Nah thanks
[17:11] <jtrucks> k
[17:11] <jtrucks> :)
[17:12] <penguin42> jtrucks: Still, big machines are fun to play with
[17:12] <jtrucks> yeah, they are.
[17:12] <jtrucks> security is an interesting gig with this place :)
[17:46] <GeorgeJ> Hello folks!
[17:46] <GeorgeJ> I'm having some problems trying to install beta2.
[17:47] <GeorgeJ> I've created a bootable USB pendrive to install beta2 from, however, it appears that syslinux hangs.
[17:48] <GeorgeJ> It hangs with a flashing cursor after the copyright message. I can't type anything, ctrl+alt+del doesn't reboot. There appear to be several people having this issue with other versions aswell.
[17:50] <GeorgeJ> Especially with Acer laptops.
[17:51] <xsl> hello guys, how do i remove unity bar from my second monitor?
[17:52] <GeminiDomino> I can never remember how to remove xorg completely... anyone have that info in active swap by any chance?  This way I can focus my testing on the "server" type setup I need?
[17:52] <xsl> why didn't you just installed server version?
[17:53] <GeminiDomino> xsl: I needed the LVM/Raid setup on the alternate CD.
[17:54] <GeminiDomino> xsl: It didn't give me the option not to install the GUI
[17:54] <xsl> well ... just dpkg --list|grep xorg
[17:55] <xsl> and try to "apt-get -s purge xserver-xorg"
[17:55] <xsl> see what it tells you it will remove
[17:55] <mongo_> I think it is ubuntu-desktop
[17:56] <GeminiDomino> mongo_: That's what I thought, but it just removes the ubuntu-desktop meta-package, and not the other ones under it.
[17:56] <xsl> it just remove the meta-packag
[17:56] <xsl> *meta-package
[17:56] <xsl> meta-packages are usefull to install stuff
[17:56] <xsl> not to remove it
[17:56] <GeminiDomino> which is what I've found
[17:56] <mongo_> hrm aptitiude will remove depends
[17:56] <mongo_> maybe apt will not
[17:57] <GeminiDomino> lemme try that
[17:57] <xsl> apt-get will also
[17:57] <xsl> and you can do later "apt-get autoremove"
[17:57] <GeminiDomino> xsl: Not for metapackages
[17:57] <GeminiDomino> xsl: or at least, not for ubuntu-desktop. Just tried it
[17:58] <xsl> GeminiDomino: i told you to do "apt-get -s purge xserver-xorg"
[17:58] <xsl> and believe me it will remove loads of stuff
[17:59] <GeminiDomino> xsl: It says itle remove xorg, xserver-xorg, and ubuntu-desktop
[17:59] <GeminiDomino> it'll*
[17:59] <xsl> forgot the *
[17:59] <xsl> you can allways inspect the stuff you have ... just use the 2 commands i gave you
[17:59] <mongo_> oh I see, ubuntu-desktop is just an alias for ubuntu-meta now
[18:01] <GeminiDomino> most of what that's removing are video drivers... when it's done I'll see if the autoremove cleans up the apps and stuff...
[18:01] <GeminiDomino> nope...
[18:04] <mongo_> GeminiDomino: do an apt-get source ubuntu-desktop
[18:04] <mongo_> if you look in at the desktop-$acrh file and remove those packages does that help?
[18:06] <GeminiDomino> mongo_: Probably my best bet. Thanks
[18:06] <mongo_> they should be tracking the depends on that package though
[18:08] <xsl> guys, how do i remove unity bar from my second monitor? any ideas?
[18:10] <xsl> its not "unity bar"
[18:10] <xsl> its the "unity launcher"
[18:12] <trism> xsl: there is the option to change it in the display settings if you don't have nvidia proprietary or anything, otherwise you can find it in ccsm at the bottom of the unity experimental tab
[18:13] <GeminiDomino> mongo_: That seems to be a start. (for I in `cat desktop-amd64`)
[18:13] <GeminiDomino> mongo_: Thanks
[18:13] <mongo_> GeminiDomino: no problem, good luck
[18:16] <mongo_> See, if the ubuntu-meta package did a depend on the ubuntu-desktop meta things would work, but ubuntu-meta is the one that lists the depends in /var/lib/dpkg
[18:17] <xsl> trism: i just hidden the launcher and now i open it with ALT-F1
[18:17] <trism> xsl: that works too, but there is also an option to show it only on the primary monitor
[18:18] <ironhalik_> anyone got the small grub failure with GPT?
[18:21] <xsl> trism: tyvm for your support
[18:37] <jinjorge> trism: after running apt-get purge grub then apt-get install grub2, the computer boots to grub rescue> prompt
[18:41] <jinjorge> error message says something about "invalid arch independent ELF magic"
[18:47] <NateW> I keep getting a strange crash. I'll be doing random things, then I get kicked to the login screen. How can I determine what's doing it?
[18:50] <NateW> I'd rather try to file a bug with details instead of simply saying: "it doesn't work", which helps nothing.
[18:51] <NateW> I remember having a similar issue on 11.10 when I upgrade my nvidia drivers to 295.20
[18:51] <jinjorge> NateW: when you log back in are all the apps still running or did they get closed?
[18:52] <NateW> Closed.
[18:53] <GeorgeJ> It would appear this bug has not been resolved with 12.04 still: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1779418
[19:07] <trism> jinjorge: looks like you'll need to reinstall grub, sorry about that, do you have a livecd handy?
[19:08] <tarvid> this may even be progress
[19:08] <jinjorge> trism: currently running via a livecd
[19:08] <tarvid> I have a grub rescue prompt
[19:08] <jtrucks> so, the 10.04 to 12.04 upgrade was flawless and I never had to leave irssi until the reboot. :)
[19:08] <tarvid> what to I do now?
[19:09] <trism> jinjorge: would try the method from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Copy_LiveCD_Files and verify that /boot/grub/grub.cfg is there before rebooting afterwards
[19:11] <trism> jinjorge: if not I would do the chroot method further down, which will rebuild grub.cfg as well
[19:19] <markgifford> hi there. 12.04 beta2, Unity issue. When I press Super + Left/Right/Up/Down (to max/min the app window) the Unity "Keyboard Shortcuts" overlay appears immediately after. Anyone know how to amend this?
[19:19] <jinjorge> trism: arrghhhhh... sorry this whole thing is frustrating
[19:20] <trism> jinjorge: I understand, did you try out the first grub restore method yet?
[19:20] <jinjorge> almost less painful to reinstall 12.04 and lose all the data than to recover grub
[19:22] <jinjorge> trism:tried using terminal
[19:22] <jinjorge> trism:here is the sequence
[19:23] <jinjorge> sudo fdisk -l
[19:23] <trism> jinjorge: yes, it is unfortunately a bit complicated, wouldn't be a bad idea to back up your files in case it comes to a reinstall, although the chroot method almost always works for me if it comes to it
[19:23] <jinjorge> and I get
[19:23] <jinjorge> WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
[19:23] <trism> jinjorge: if you want, pastebin the output as you go, I'll take a look
[19:23] <jinjorge> Disk /dev/sda: 64.0 GB, 64023257088 bytes
[19:23] <jinjorge> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7783 cylinders, total 125045424 sectors
[19:23] <jinjorge> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[19:23] <jinjorge> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[19:23] <jinjorge> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[19:23] <jinjorge> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
[19:24] <jinjorge>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:24] <jinjorge> /dev/sda1               1   125045423    62522711+  ee  GPT
[19:24] <jussi> jinjorge: Ill unmute in a moment
[19:25] <trism> jinjorge: ahh, you have gpt, I'm not really sure if there is a different procedure for that, hold on
[19:25] <jussi> jinjorge: please use a pastebin for anything over 3 or 4 lines
[19:25] <jinjorge> jussi: noted. My apologies
[19:25] <jussi> jinjorge: no probs :)
[19:26] <jinjorge> trism: here is the output for fsdik -l http://pastebin.com/Kb31sU8J
[19:28] <jinjorge> trism: here is the output for mount /dev/sda1 /mnt http://pastebin.com/ejThP7tg
[19:30] <trism> jinjorge: did you already mount it? ls /mnt
[19:30] <jinjorge> trism: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls /mnt
[19:30] <jinjorge> boot  EFI  grub
[19:31] <trism> jinjorge: that's all?
[19:31] <jinjorge> trism: output for grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[19:31] <jinjorge> http://pastebin.com/J1ZVtDmY
[19:32] <trism> jinjorge: do you have a macbook?
[19:32] <jinjorge> trism: that's all that is shows for ls /mnt
[19:32] <jinjorge> trism: yes I do have a macbook
[19:37] <trism> jinjorge: it concerns me that we don't see more directories than that in your root partition
[19:38] <jinjorge> trism: yeah. I am backing up the data I need and will be doing a reinstall here shortly
[19:39] <trism> jinjorge: sorry about this, I should have asked several more questions last night when we first noticed the odd grub setup
[19:40] <jinjorge> trism: my assumption is that by installing 12.04 beta2, it will install grub2
[19:42] <jinjorge> trism:nothing for you to be sorry about. I very much appreciate your help
[19:43] <trism> jinjorge: hopefully a reinstall with fix it up and you can test out the new kernel to see if you still get the panics
[19:44] <jinjorge> trism: yes, that's my hope too.... I'll let you know how things work out
[19:44] <jinjorge> trism:catch you later. and thanks again!!!!
[19:45] <trism> jinjorge: good luck!
[19:45] <jinjorge> trism:Thanks!!!
[19:54] <ironhalik> well, thats kinda not nice
[19:54] <ironhalik> lates grub update caused my pc to not boot
[19:54] <ironhalik> stuck before splash, with cursor blinking
[20:00] <tarvid> reboot after RAID1 installation, grub enters rescue mode
[20:10] <KM0201> man, upgrades galore today
[20:10] <ironhalik> yeah
[20:10] <ironhalik> one of them killed my system :)
[20:10] <qengho> Hrm.  Network went wonky and syslog has some kernel puke.  Not sure what to report, though.  Nothing stands out.  Ideas?
[20:10] <qengho> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/913588/
[20:11] <qengho> A call trace with no error message is weird.
[20:12] <KM0201> ironhalik: killed your system?
[20:12] <KM0201> i hope your'e wrong
[20:12] <KM0201> cuz they are finishing up now.
[20:12] <KM0201> lol
[20:13] <ironhalik> well, grub stopped working
[20:13] <ironhalik> and it was on the update list
[20:16] <ironhalik> kinda annoying - first real problem and its couple of weeks before release for me
[20:22] <NateW> I keep getting a strange crash. I'll be doing random things, then I get kicked to the login screen. How can I determine what's doing it?
[20:22] <NateW> I keep getting a strange crash. I'll be doing random things, then I get kicked to the login screen. How can I determine what's doing it?
[20:22] <NateW> I remember having a similar issue on 11.10 when I upgrade my nvidia drivers to 295.20
[20:25] <djrwolf> I'm planing on putting 12.04 on my laptop, how is it's support for AMD A-Series APU's?
[20:30] <ironhalik> wow, my grub got completely broken
[20:30] <ironhalik> impressive
[20:32] <djrwolf> I'm planing on putting 12.04 on my laptop, how is it's support for AMD A-Series APU's??
[20:33] <mongo_> djrwolf: I have a zotac ion box running it and it works well
[20:33] <djrwolf> mongo_ ok, thanks
[20:36] <penguin42> djrwolf: I don't know but I think it's got a good chance, the Radeon driver supports most stuff
[20:37] <djrwolf> penguin42: ok, thanks
[20:38] <penguin42> djrwolf: And if the graphics fights you can always install AMDs binary driver
[20:41] <ironhalik> ok, anyone got failing grub?
[20:41] <ironhalik> did a chroot from live cd, grub-install etc but its still the same
[20:41] <ironhalik> even booting with shift, gives me 'GRUB' and a blinking cursor, no prompt
[20:43] <penguin42> ironhalik: What's your disk setup?
[20:44] <ironhalik> single disk with gpt
[20:44] <ironhalik> swapfile, encrypted home
[20:46] <penguin42> ironhalik: if you just get GRUB that's normally it managed to get the 1st bit of grub from the boot sector but can't find the rest of it
[20:47] <flummy> sorry to ask this, but is the ubuntu.com frontpage deliberately pointing to TechnicalOverview/Beta1 instead of /Beta2?
[20:47] <ironhalik> rather not
[20:47] <flummy> since ~ 10+ hours
[20:47] <ironhalik> penguin42: well, it happened freshly after simple update
[20:48] <ironhalik> penguin42: and doing a grub-install should help
[20:48] <penguin42> ironhalik: An update from a 11.x or an update after a happy working 12.x ?
[20:51] <ironhalik> happy working 12.04
[20:52] <ironhalik> earlie today, had an error after updating
[20:52] <ironhalik> saying that blocklists are not good for grub
[20:52] <ironhalik> but it booted, needed to press any key
[20:53] <ironhalik> thought it was some kind of a regression, and the next update will fix it
[20:53] <ironhalik> it broke it even further :)
[20:55] <tarvid> Boot-repair is wonderful
[20:55] <ironhalik> tarvid: tried, same resault
[20:56] <penguin42> ironhalik: I'm not sure what the boot lists are - *please* file a bug on this - if you've hit it someone else will
[20:57] <penguin42> ironhalik: I guess I'd try looking what grub-probe has to say about the devices and try running update-grub and see if it gives any debug
[20:57] <ironhalik> penguin42: grub-probe couldnt identify the filesystem of my partition
[20:58] <penguin42> ironhalik: What filesystem *is* your partition?
[20:58] <ironhalik> ext4
[20:58] <jinjorge> trism:I am back
[21:00] <ironhalik> if I install Ubuntu, on an MBR setup, with encrypted home folder
[21:00] <ironhalik> will the encrypted container resize itself when needed?
[21:00] <tarvid> ooooooooooooooo, that sounds like trouble
[21:01] <ironhalik> tarvid: yeah, Im impressed too
[21:05] <trism> jinjorge: how did the reinstall go?
[21:07] <jinjorge> trism:went well. Fast
[21:08] <tarvid> turns out my problem was Cox
[21:08] <tarvid> should have known better
[21:08] <tarvid> I could reach neighbors but couldn't get out
[21:09] <trism> jinjorge: good to hear
[21:11] <jinjorge> trism: just restoring my apps and settings
[21:11] <jinjorge> trism:all good!!!
[21:12] <Machtin> hey guys, any notes on how to install skype? :)
[21:12] <tarvid> google voice is easier
[21:12] <jinjorge> Machtin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[21:13] <astraljava> tarvid: It doesn't work everywhere (like here, in Finland). Machtin: What sort of problems do you have with it?
[21:14] <Machtin> astraljava: pretty much dependency problems
[21:15] <Machtin> http://nopaste.info/e13ea92cf1.html
[21:18] <astraljava> Machtin: What mirror are you using? I just installed skype a couple of hours ago, so perhaps your mirror is outdated?
[21:19] <Machtin> http://nopaste.info/ab10bb1288.html
[21:23] <astraljava> Machtin: Ok, so maybe the german mirror is not up-to-date. I switched to using the one without a country code, as it's always the first to get updates.
[21:31] <Machtin> astraljava: thanks, I'll try
[21:33] <Machtin> huh, that actually seems to work :) thanks!
[21:39] <jinjorge> anyone seen this - go to System Settings, click on Printers and the Add New Printer option is grayed out
[21:40] <pi314> no
[21:52] <jinjorge> if you go to the shutdown menu option, you can add a printer from there
[22:09] <rye> jbicha: hi, may I ask you regarding bug #827382 - i fixed the coherence and totem plugin for upnp, is it too late to propose some sort of fix for precise? (i am not upstream, just somebody who wants to watch stuff over UPnP)
[22:09] <natacus> anyone been using telepathy in kubuntu 1204?
[22:09] <rye> jbicha: I attached the quilt patches to bug #880076 and now building the packages in my ppa
[22:10] <jbicha> rye: coherence isn't supported by the Totem developers any more
[22:12] <rye> jbicha: well, they fixed the plugin for GObject introspection pretty recently (albeit it did not work even with fixed coherence) and put # The Coherence framework still uses PyGTK, and thus conflicts with the new pygobject introspected bindings, is there a definite "No" somewhere?
[22:13] <rye> jbicha: I know it's been broken at least since Oneiric due to gir, but the plugin is there, it's just broken. And Coherence is so far the only upnp plugin for totem we have, and it can work - http://identi.ca/attachment/68629435
[22:14] <jbicha> rye: I'd be happier re-enabling it if the totem developers did it first so please ask them about it
[22:14] <rye> jbicha: awesome, will do!
[22:14] <jbicha> they know far more about Totem than I do :)
[22:15] <rye> jbicha: the only thing is that fixed version needs to come from coherence upstream, which seems to be quite inactive lately (last update - a year ago)
[22:16] <rye> I guess they fixed all the bugs
[22:28] <rye> eh, just found what jbicha meant by "not supported". They nuked it from the orbit :(
[22:37] <foobArrr> how does compiz grid behave in 12.04? do the left/right keybindings cycle through window sizes?
[22:59] <atpa8a> hello
[22:59] <atpa8a> the beta2 server installer doesn't detect my md raid...
[23:00] <atpa8a> any help?
[23:01] <penguin42> atpa8a: Does it see the disks that make it up?
[23:01] <atpa8a> i believe so...
[23:02] <atpa8a> checking
[23:05] <atpa8a> yes
[23:05] <atpa8a> i can see them in dmesg
[23:05] <penguin42> anything about md in there?
[23:05] <atpa8a> 2:0:0:0 and 3:0:0:0
[23:05] <atpa8a> kernel BUG!
[23:06] <penguin42> ooh fun - pastebin it?
[23:06] <atpa8a> can't :P
[23:06] <atpa8a> from installer
[23:07] <penguin42> atpa8a: Put USB thumb disc in, copy to there?
[23:07] <atpa8a> at md.c:6920
[23:07] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:07] <atpa8a> that'd work
[23:07] <atpa8a> one sec
[23:07] <penguin42> iff all else fails use a camera!
[23:08] <atpa8a> :P
[23:08] <penguin42> but that's a strictly iff all else
[23:12] <Roasted> anybody else notice 12.04 is kind of a clutz with maximizing windows to other screens?
[23:12] <Roasted> I used to be able to drag chrome tabs over and it would auto resize even tho my 2nd monitor is smaller
[23:12] <Roasted> but now I have to make sure its smaller than the other screen, move it, then maximize. kind of LOL.
[23:15] <atpa8a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/913841/
[23:15] <atpa8a> penguin42: ^^
[23:17] <penguin42> atpa8a: OK, that's not good - so that's certianly in the md code; can you please file a launchpad bug on that
[23:17] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:17] <atpa8a> sure
[23:18] <atpa8a> tho if i upgrade it'll work
[23:18] <penguin42> atpa8a: And it's repeatable - i.e. if you reboot and run the installer again you get the same thing?
[23:18] <penguin42> so which version does that and which version works?
[23:18] <ironhalik> anyone noticed eclipse failing to start?
[23:18] <atpa8a> yes, it's repeatable
[23:18] <penguin42> ironhalik: Running OK here
[23:18] <penguin42> ironhalik: Maybe it doesn't like the Java you've got going
[23:18] <ironhalik> hmm, for me it crashesh
[23:19] <atpa8a> penguin42: 11.10 works and if i upgrade to 12.04 it'll work too
[23:19] <penguin42> atpa8a: So - which one is failing?
[23:19] <ironhalik> penguin42: got jdk, everything installed via apt
[23:19] <atpa8a> 12.04
[23:19] <atpa8a> seems like it's just the installer tho
[23:20] <penguin42> ironhalik: I'm running with sun java 6 - so might be worth trying a different one
[23:20] <ironhalik> sure, ill try that
[23:24] <atpa8a> penguin42: not sure if it's an md or anaconda bug tho... may be the installer is missing /etc/mdadm.conf (which it does)
[23:24] <penguin42> atpa8a: No, it's a kernel bug - that kernel oops is nasty
[23:28] <atpa8a> yeah
[23:28] <atpa8a> but how come if i upgrade, it'll work with that kernel?
[23:30] <penguin42> atpa8a: Well my reading of that oops is that the oops happened running the parted process, so if you're not running that during the upgrade you're OK; also my reading of that oops is that it actually bought the RAID up ok
[23:31] <atpa8a> i see
[23:32] <foobArrr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-plugins-main/+bug/878820    Do I understand that right: cycling through window sizes with compiz grid doesn't work on 12.04 (and 11.10) and that is intentional and will not change?
[23:44]  * penguin42 wonders what Ubuntu MAAS is
[23:54] <atpa8a> i have a hunch... that i can bootstrap that ubuntu :P
[23:56] <penguin42> atpa8a: Please report the bug though - if you hit it, other people will
[23:56] <atpa8a> already did
[23:56] <penguin42> atpa8a: Ah good, what bug number?
[23:58] <atpa8a> 972960
[23:58] <penguin42> bug 972960