[02:13] <ikr11> anyone knows how to solve a problem with the alt and ctrl keys for a bluetooth keyboard?
[06:52] <StaffRingedSeal> oh thank god I can connect to the internet before logging in to lightdm...
[06:52] <StaffRingedSeal> last nights update went south a bit for me, again, unsurprisingly
[07:12] <DJones> Morning
[07:26] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:39] <diplo> Morning all
[07:50] <ikonia> directhex: green for go !
[07:50] <directhex> ;o
[07:55] <hank3three3> I think I might be in the wrong place, but I'll ask anyway....up tioll now, the updates I have been getting for 12.04 have been opk, and havent done much damage, a few bugs have appeared, but I have reported them, but today, I had an update, and it did something to the grub, it said it couldnt install the grub, and the grubmight not work.....so I carried on, and now, after I click on the grub, I get this error message saying 'error
[07:55] <hank3three3>  invalid blcklist. Press any key to continue, anybody know what is wrong and how I can get over it?
[07:55] <hank3three3> sorry for the typos, fingers not working too well today
[07:55] <hank3three3> sorry that should say 'blocklist.....'
[07:57] <hank3three3> I seem to remember there is a channel just for betas, but I cant remember what it is
[07:59] <StaffRingedSeal> #ubuntu+1 ?
[08:00] <hank3three3> thanks
[08:15] <hank3three3> I dont appreciate having some petty little person tell me not to bring my spelling mistakes from one channel to another, if people dont have anything important to say, stop being so petty
[08:16] <ikonia> ooh dear
[08:17] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:17] <ikonia> morning AlanBell
[08:17] <AlanBell> hank3three3: is there some context for that little (and well spelled) complaint?
[08:18] <AlanBell> oh you missed an apostrophe in "don't", but other than that it was pretty good :)
[08:18] <hank3three3> I am just saying
[08:19] <JamesTait> Gooooood moooorning all! :D
[08:19] <ikonia> I can't stand people with an attitude giving incorrect information then having a tantrum when asked to clarify
[08:19] <ikonia> I'm just saying though
[08:20] <hank3three3> you know, its your attitude that gives ubuntu a bad name
[08:21] <hank3three3> if cant say anything helpful dont say anything at all
[08:21] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11813952
[08:21] <AlanBell> looks like this bit a few people today
[08:23] <hank3three3> thanks alan, I will take a look at that now
[08:24] <AlanBell> I might upgrade a non-critical desktop in a sec and see if it happens to me
[08:26] <hank3three3> seems like a few people are having the same problem, how would you add that as a bug?
[08:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:28] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:28] <AlanBell> hank3three3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bugs
[08:29] <AlanBell> hit the report a bug link and put in the details (perhaps with a photo if convenient)
[08:34] <czajkowski> gooooood day to you all
[08:35] <hank3three3> I started the bug its Bug #972221 how would you take a picture of the error message page before its booted
[08:35] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 972221 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "error invalid blocklist, press any key to continue......" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972221
[08:37] <AlanBell> and what happens after you press the any key?
[08:37] <hank3three3> it boots
[08:37] <diplo> hank3three3, Mobile/Digital Camera ?
[08:38] <AlanBell> add that to the bug, so it does boot fine, after complaining?
[08:38] <hank3three3> yeh tried that, I get backlight problems which makes the screen look white, I'll try again though
[08:40] <hank3three3> one question, and I'll have to log off to find out, but what version is the Grub after that update, anybody know?
[08:40] <AlanBell> !info grub2 precise
[08:40] <lubotu3`> grub2 (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.99-20ubuntu1 (precise), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for any-i386 any-amd64 any-powerpc any-ppc64 any-sparc any-mipsel i386 kopensolaris-i386 amd64 powerpc ppc64 sparc mipsel kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[08:49] <hank3three3> is there any way to update grub using the terminal, or would that break it even more
[08:53] <hank3three3> ok, i'll leave it
[08:57] <BigRedS> hank3three3: it depends what you mean by 'update grub'
[08:58] <BigRedS> do you want to update the list of options to boot from, or upgrade the program to a new version?
[08:58] <BigRedS> update-grub does the former :)
[09:03] <hank3three3> oh sorry, was doing something just noticed your answers, I was just wondering, after the update, and the problem with the grub being installed, if a grub update via the terminal could fix the problem, and reading your post I think i say upgrade to new version, if that is what is needed
[09:04] <StaffRingedSeal> hearing complaints elsewhere
[09:04] <StaffRingedSeal> as well
[09:04] <bigcalm> StaffRingedSeal: about the snow?
[09:04] <hank3three3> the problem is, I dont know what caused the problem in the beginning, it said it couldnt install the grub, so was the install to new upgrade or something else
[09:06] <BigRedS> well, it would nomrally have told you why it couldn't install grub
[09:06] <BigRedS> and that's the important bit
[09:07] <hank3three3> is there anyway to find out, I didnt notice anything about why it couldnt install
[09:07] <StaffRingedSeal> no, about the grub2 problem
[09:07] <hank3three3> and if I could find out, then I could add it to the bug report
[09:07] <hank3three3> oh, that is a pity
[09:14] <diplo> hank3three3, I'm guessing it's a regression in a fix some one has put in place
[09:14] <diplo> If it's affecting other people hopefully the developer will be on it asap
[09:26] <StaffRingedSeal> hank3three3, AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/972250
[09:26] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 972250 in grub2 (Ubuntu) ""This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition"" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:28] <hank3three3> ooh, that isnt good, at least mine boots after the error message
[09:40] <brobostigon> ok, what the thing popey said i should do a couple of weeks ago, when my eeepc wouldnt start when power is pressed.?
[09:49] <DJones> brobostigon: Plug it in? :)
[09:50] <DJones> Sorry, couldn't resist that one
[09:53] <brobostigon> haha, very funny.
[09:54] <brobostigon> i solved it anyway, reset the bios.
[09:54] <popey> brobostigon: unplug, remove battery, leave it a few minutes
[09:54] <popey> or that
[09:54] <brobostigon> thank you popey.
[10:04] <davmor2> morning all
[10:04] <davmor2> prod MooDoo czajkowski
[10:04] <brobostigon> working, :)
[10:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: hello chap
[10:04] <MooDoo> czajkowski: hello xxxx
[10:05] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and davmor2
[10:05] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon
[10:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: MooDoo ello
[10:08] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:09] <davmor2> morning bigcalm MooDoo czajkowski how are you all?
[10:09] <bigcalm> I want sleeps
[10:10] <czajkowski> great thanks
[10:10] <czajkowski> you?
[10:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: I knows that feeling
[10:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'm good I could do with more sleep the same as bigcalm but that is about it
[10:11] <Dave2> I want sleep and a working kettle.
[10:12] <brobostigon> updates to chromium in precise, :)
[10:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm ok, playing around with my photography blog :)
[10:12] <brobostigon> chromium-browser.
[10:17] <kirrus> Dave2: isn't a working kettle a requirement of continued working? ;)
[10:17] <Dave2> Well, a working kettle at home.
[10:17] <Dave2> Here at work there's a hot water machine thing
[10:17]  * brobostigon thanks the person, who is doing the hard work, in updating chromium.
[10:19] <popey> brobostigon: that would be Micah Gersten <micahg@ubuntu.com>, send him a mail and thank him. he's a lovely chap ☺
[10:19] <brobostigon> popey: i will do, :) thank you.
[10:23] <StaffRingedSeal> I wonder which is to blame, chromium or ubuntu for the fact that F11 doesn't make it go fullscreen
[10:23] <StaffRingedSeal> I don't even know if I'm alone in my problem
[10:23] <AlanBell> blame canada
[10:24] <AlanBell> </south park>
[10:24] <brobostigon> lol
[10:24] <AlanBell> StaffRingedSeal: F11 goes fullscreen here
[10:24] <StaffRingedSeal> right, so it is me
[10:24] <davmor2> StaffRingedSeal: it does here on oneiric
[10:24] <brobostigon> here also.
[10:24] <StaffRingedSeal> :-|
[10:24] <StaffRingedSeal> mine didn't in oneiric nor now in precise
[10:24] <AlanBell> Wasabi peas are yummy
[10:25] <diplo> They are
[10:25] <AlanBell> StaffRingedSeal: try a guest session of Ubuntu (so no profile brokenness in the mix)
[10:25] <diplo> Although I don't my work colleague appreciates when I eat lot's of them AlanBell
[10:25] <diplo> :)
[10:25] <StaffRingedSeal> that's a good point, I'll try that once I've had my tea
[10:25] <StaffRingedSeal> arp arp.
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> StaffRingedSeal: Oh no, the IPv4 frog
[10:27] <davmor2> StaffRingedSeal: and in precise,  are you using a laptop?
[10:27] <StaffRingedSeal> yup
[10:27] <AlanBell> oh, chromium has those funny window buttons
[10:27] <davmor2> StaffRingedSeal: is there a hardware key on f11 if so what happen is you press fn+F11
[10:28] <StaffRingedSeal> nothing happens...
[10:28] <StaffRingedSeal> and yes it's a hardware key
[10:29] <AlanBell> in the chromium personal stuff settings in the appearance section you can turn on and off using the system titlebar and borders, does that make a difference (doesn't for me)
[10:29] <StaffRingedSeal> I can also reliably crash/kill/hide chromium by trying to move it to another workspace by the topic bar
[10:30] <StaffRingedSeal> I've got Use instead of Hide there
[10:31] <StaffRingedSeal> and when it's on hide, F11 works
[10:31] <StaffRingedSeal> s/topic bar/titlebar/
[10:32] <AlanBell> ooh, ok well that is interesting isn't it
[10:32] <StaffRingedSeal> so if I choose "Move to Another Workspace" it dies
[10:33] <StaffRingedSeal> it's weird
[10:38] <davmor2> http://imgur.com/r00rm muhahahahahahahahahahahaha
[10:40] <BigRedS> haha
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: :)
[10:40] <MooDoo> oh dear
[10:41] <bigcalm> :)
[10:43] <DJones> That reminds me of test we had in school many decades ago, 30 questions, big letters at the top "Read all the questions/tasks before starting to complete them", the tasks included things like count out loud to 20, stand up etc and you could tell who had read everything before starting, the last task on the bottom of page 2 was to sit still and not do anything else
[10:44] <mgdm> Hehe, I've seen that one too
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> DJones: did you pass the test?
[10:45] <DJones> MartijnVdS: I didn't make a fool of myself, so I think yes I passed
[10:47] <AlanBell> they did that with us too, the last task was to erase all previous answers
[10:48] <AlanBell> the teacher handed out the papers, asked us to start, I got up and handed my paper in and walked out. Was a good 5 minutes before anyone else joined me.
[10:49] <DJones> I'll have to ask some of the teacher relations I've got whether they still do that test
[10:49] <oimon> wish i could play drawception on my android tablet :(
[10:49] <BigRedS> we got something similar at uni. Last item was to make sure your name was filled in and then leave
[10:56] <diplo> Didn't have those tests when I was at school AlanBell / DJones
[10:56] <diplo> Would have been nice :)
[10:56] <gord> when i was at school they gave us tests on like, maths and stuff. you guys had it easy!
[10:56] <gord> maths is hard :(
[10:56] <diplo> heehh
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> gord: but it's also fun!
[10:57] <bigcalm> Maths is fun
[10:57] <bigcalm> This is why I'm a coder
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> I still need to think up something to display on my 8x8 2-colour LED matrix
[10:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: 0+1=?
[11:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: depends upon which language and base you are using :)
[11:02] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: space invaders
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: just an answer I can guaranty it'll be wrong
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: on 8x8?
[11:03] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: you didn't play around with VDU chars on the BBC micro then :)
[11:04] <gord> MartijnVdS, mario, obviously http://vimeo.com/9928343
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> gord: \o/
[11:06] <bigcalm> gord: that was full of AWESOME!
[11:08]  * bigcalm tickles czajkowski 
[11:08] <gord> yeah... but it makes you think man if only i had a like 320x240 led display, could do actual mario! but then you start realising you might as well just get an arm board with a display chip
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> but then it wouldn't be a challenge!
[11:09]  * czajkowski glares at bigcalm 
[11:09] <bigcalm> \o/
[11:10]  * bigcalm gives czajkowski a milky bar and slithers off for lunch
[11:10] <AlanBell> white chocolate is just wrong
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.koetjesreep.com/
[11:12]  * davmor2 glares at czajkowski for glaring at bigcalm then realises he's meant to keep a straight face when glaring, then realises that it now looks like he is just laughing at czajkowski 
[11:13] <paul_> eric has got a new one on thursday
[11:13]  * MartijnVdS offers davmor2 some anti-glare coating
[11:15] <davmor2> slaps MartijnVdS anti-glare coating on his head is that better now?
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: yeah, much less glare 8-)
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> No more glaring mistakes
[12:33] <kaushal> Hi
[12:33] <kaushal> As per https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/byobu.html Byobu currently does not launch at login (toggle on)" option will cause byobu to be executed any time a terminal is opened.
[12:34] <kaushal> what does it mean
[12:34] <kaushal> help me understand
[12:35] <popey> kaushal: by default byobu doesnt start when you ssh to a machine running byobu
[12:35] <popey> that option will "toggle" (i.e. switch) it on
[12:35] <popey> so then when you ssh in, byobu will start
[12:38]  * davmor2 loves Ubuntu's seemingly non existant freezes.....92 updates from last night
[12:38] <popey> hah
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> and that's just libreoffice 8-)
[12:40] <kaushal> popey: ah ok
[12:40] <kaushal> popey: so it means its on remote server ?
[12:40] <popey> no
[12:40] <kaushal> i was under the impression it was on my desktop
[12:40] <popey> it could be on any system, local or remote
[12:40] <kaushal> ok
[12:40] <kaushal> so when i click on gnome-terminal
[12:41] <kaushal> i type Byobu
[12:41] <kaushal> am i doing it correctly ?
[12:41] <davmor2> kaushal: you are reading the Ubuntu Server Documentation that is why it is talking about servers
[12:41] <popey> yeah, that will work
[12:41] <kaushal> kaushal@kaushal-laptop:~$ byobu
[12:42] <kaushal> so i run that way
[12:42] <czajkowski> davmor2: 94 here
[12:42] <popey> 171 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:42] <popey> :D
[12:42] <kaushal> popey: correct me if i am doing wrong
[12:42] <kaushal> davmor2: please suggest
[12:42] <popey> 13:41:48 < popey> yeah, that will work
[12:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: fictional freezes
[12:42] <popey> kaushal: you're not doing anything wrong
[12:42] <czajkowski> indeed
[12:42] <kaushal> popey: ok
[12:43] <czajkowski> davmor2: it would be nice if they left it for a week or so with no updates so they could fix issues and people could just report bugs.
[12:43] <czajkowski> there doesn't seem to be a time when there aren't any updates happening
[12:43] <popey> uhm
[12:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: don't be daft fix them on the fly you know thats the way to do it
[12:44] <BigRedS> czajkowski: isn't that what's asked for by several people every release?
[12:44] <popey> nothing stopping you reporting bugs
[12:44] <BigRedS> "Don't do anything new this release, just fix the bugs"
[12:44] <popey> thats mostly what we are doing BigRedS
[12:44] <BigRedS> and then it's pointed out that bugs are normally fixed with new things
[12:44] <davmor2> popey: apart from apport saying I can't report this bug you need to update x ,y, z
[12:45] <popey> yeah, which is great
[12:45] <BigRedS> yeah, I've mostly given up on reporting bugs through that now
[12:45] <popey> saves us having a zillion useless bugs
[12:45] <BigRedS> I'm never up to date enough to do it anyway
[12:45] <davmor2> popey: I agree but it is annoying still
[12:46] <popey> so update ☺
[12:46] <AlanBell> I wish the voices in my head were loud enough to drown out the sound of children on holiday
[12:46] <BigRedS> yeah, I keep meaning to set up unattended upgrades
[12:47] <BigRedS> the GUI process requires more clicks than I have patience
[12:47] <davmor2> AlanBell: just start an arguement with then that you know will go on all day :)
[12:47] <BigRedS> so it prompts me, I click 'ok' a few times and then get distracted by something else
[12:47] <popey> i use apt-get, almost never use update-manager
[12:48] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm not in the habit of thinking about upgrading every time I boot the thing
[12:48] <BigRedS> so I only upgrade if there's a bug that's probably fixed or if I manage to go through the whole of the gui thing
[14:04] <DJones> Heh, expect more lost drivers getting stuck down country roads http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17599701
[14:04] <DJones> "Leap year bug"
[14:08] <bigcalm> Not like it doesn't happen every 4 years
[14:08] <bigcalm> Oh, wait...
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[14:17]  * penguin42 is confused about why a map system is affected by the date
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> it's not the map system
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> it's the GPS
[14:19] <directhex> GPS relies on quantum physics.
[14:19] <directhex> and also accurate time measurements as part of that
[14:19] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: But why should GPS be confused by the date? I know they rely on exact timing relative to the satellites but *surely* that's not related to calendar time (!)
[14:19] <ali1234> it isn't
[14:20] <AlanBell> nothing to do with the GPS circuits I expect
[14:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: Motorola got back to me 2Q of 2012 for Xoom ICS update
[14:20] <dogmatic69> How can I configure wifi via terminal?
[14:20] <ali1234> right. it's just the usual poor UI programming
[14:21] <ali1234> the GPS will be a black box anyway
[14:21] <ali1234> just emits NMEA or something, no programming required
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> usually, yes
[14:21] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: iwlist, iwconfig. If you google almost exactly your question you'll probably get a few tutorials
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: NOOOOO
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> iwlist/iwconfig are Old & Busted
[14:21] <BigRedS> Oh
[14:22] <BigRedS> what's new and shiny?
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> "iw" is the new cool tool
[14:22] <BigRedS> haha
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> but you won't be able to connect to WPA networks with it
[14:22] <BigRedS> I was just wondering if it was like ipconfig to ip
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> wpasupplicant
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> also, /etc/network/interfaces has options to do that for you
[14:22] <BigRedS> er, ifconfig to ip
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: the old wifi APIs aren't good enough (no N support, for instance)
[14:22] <penguin42> if you've got it configured in networkmanager you can probably bring it up with nm-cli
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: "iw" fixes that
[14:23] <BigRedS> I've got half a set of scripts for replacing network-manager knocking around somewhere, but they rely on old and busted technology :(
[14:27] <balor> czajkowski, Does the U1 music store work in .ie and can I just put the app on my mother;s Android phone and "have it work"?
[14:27] <czajkowski> balor: it does work but it's a different shop
[14:27] <czajkowski> and which appp ?
[14:28] <balor> czajkowski, the U1 music app on the Google Play App Store
[14:28] <czajkowski> ok let me see
[14:28] <balor> thanks
[14:28] <czajkowski> seeing as I'm sitting in the garden in castleconnell
[14:28]  * balor is in Dublin right now
[14:29] <gord> balor, you can't purchase music from the android app
[14:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's a 3 month window starting this month. Better than nothing :)
[14:29] <gord> it'll let you listen to any music you have in u1 though
[14:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: and direct from Motorola Europe
[14:29] <czajkowski> balor: what gord said  it's for streaming
[14:29] <czajkowski> gord: aye
[14:29] <ali1234> gord: is that because you don't want to pay 30% to google?
[14:29] <czajkowski> balor: aye
[14:30] <ali1234> or simply because it'snot implenented yet?
[14:30] <balor> Fun.  It looks like there's no legal music purchase service on Android/Linux in .ie
[14:30] <czajkowski> balor: ask in #ubuntuone
[14:30] <gord> i've no idea tbh, the u1 store is a website technically, so i guess it would be possible to implement - never actually asked
[14:30] <davmor2> balor: Amazon mp3 maybe?
[14:30] <penguin42> balor: So you walk over the border?
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> 7digital has more "country" sites than U1MS uses
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> so I get the EU store, even though the 7Digital "Netherlands" site has more music to slel me
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> sell me*
[14:59]  * davmor2 has a set up tp plugs and now can use ps3 for love film streaming woohoo!
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> TP plugs?
[15:00] <davmor2> well hopefully I need to test it in the evening to be sure
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> are you cornholio?
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> you need tp?
[15:01] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ProductID=10551 this kinda thing
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> ah
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> homeplug :)
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> powerline ethernet
[15:01]  * MartijnVdS just put gbit all around the house
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> (PS3 speaks gbit!)
[15:03] <diplo> Mines on a gigabit network at home as well
[15:04] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: daft thing I found out with the ps3, is if the wifi signal drops by 5% it automagically stalls whatever activity it is doing till it's back up unless there is a game in the system D'oh
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: if I try to stream HD video over wifi, it just stutters a lot
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> gbit: no problems
[15:05] <gord> 100mbit should work fine for hd video ;)
[15:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Exactly what I was having you get at most 30second playback
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> gord: I like to be prepared.
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> gord: Especially with 500/500 fibre on its way
[15:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you know the ps3 won't do holographic right :D
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I have more devices than just a PS3 ;)
[15:07] <AlanBell> my broadband speed has been uncapped apparently
[15:07] <bigcalm> It's been raining for the past 4 hours. The ground is going to be a little damp. Can hear somebody mowing!
[15:07] <gord> wish be would do fibre already
[15:07] <bigcalm> AlanBell: your speed has been uncapped?
[15:07] <bigcalm> How does that work?
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> gord: move to the Netherlands.. small towns get fibre first :)
[15:08] <gord> MartijnVdS, with have fibre in my town, my preferred isp however does not offer a fibre package yet
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> gord: FttC or FttH?
[15:08] <gord> the rest of them have dumb caps, i can't be bothered thinking about how much i've downloaded
[15:08] <gord> to cabinet
[15:08] <AlanBell> bigcalm: it is FTTC and I am now on 80:20 I think
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> We get FttH
[15:10] <bigcalm> AlanBell: there's still a limit though, no?
[15:10] <AlanBell> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1873019607.png my upstream bandwidth has gone up quite a bit, but I think I will try connecting the laptop direct to the router
[15:10] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yes, still a limit, but not an artificial one
[15:10] <bigcalm> AlanBell: aha, got you. Much better :)
[15:11] <directhex> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1873032347.png
[15:11] <bigcalm> Gah, school holidays are draining away my bandwidth
[15:11] <directhex> i remember DACS limiting my dialup to 28k...
[15:11] <AlanBell> oh I was stuck behind a DACS
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> 2012-06-22 is the latest estimate for my fibre install date
[15:12] <bigcalm> October seems my cable connection upgrade
[15:12]  * bigcalm yays a bit
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: the fibre people are VERY slow
[15:13] <gord> fibre to the home takes much longer to do
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> I can see the fibre sticking out of the pavement 7 floors below
[15:13] <gord> and is much more expensive
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> It has my address on it
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> gord: they're going to install it in every house in .nl before 2016ish
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> except some farms in the middle of nowhere
[15:14] <bigcalm> Working from home = day time showers \o/
[15:14]  * bigcalm gets clean
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also, naked computing
[15:15] <penguin42> bigcalm: And to think in that ---v  window there is a discussion about the problem of receiving deliveries when half dressed
[15:15] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Well, if you can see the fibre, go and splice it and plug in :-)
[15:15] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Are they using GPONS or the like ?
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: GPONS? What's that?
[15:16] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's an architecture of large fibre systems that's cheaper than proper full switched systems
[15:16] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: we get 2 fibres to every house, that go straight to a cabinet/POP a few km away
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> (so home <-> POP is point to point)
[15:22] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh I'm not sure, but I think it's about simplifying what's in the cabinet
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> they built entire buildings to house the pops
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> not just cabinets
[15:23] <penguin42> hmm, wonder why
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> apparently, gpon implies a shared connection
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> and those have a bad name (cable = shared = contention during peak hours.. we have LOTS of cable internet users)
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> also, a fibre from every home to the POP sounds future-proof to me
[15:27] <Azelphur> I just stumbled upon this...why is there no source code :( http://design.canonical.com/2010/09/getting-physical/
[15:28] <AlanBell> because it barely exists
[15:29] <Azelphur> barely exists > not existing, the video looks cool
[15:30] <ali1234> hmm
[15:30] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~nuthinking I don't see anything that looks like it would be that code
[15:31] <ali1234> who has used ubuntu to burn an iso image recently?
[15:31] <AlanBell> me
[15:31] <Azelphur> he clearly likes blah
[15:31] <ali1234> the dialogue is confusing
[15:32] <AlanBell> right click the .iso, select write to disk
[15:32] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/206554
[15:32] <ali1234> yeah then you see this
[15:32] <ali1234> iso: 14.4GB, disc: 9.8GB free
[15:32] <ali1234> it's a blank disc that i just unwrapped
[15:32] <ali1234> it should have 25GB free
[15:32] <ali1234> i assume that it means there will be 9.8GB free *after* writing the image
[15:32] <ali1234> but that is just confusing and stupid
[15:32] <ali1234> it makes me think the image won't fit
[15:33] <AlanBell> I have only used CDs
[15:33] <ali1234> i assume CDs do the same thing?
[15:33] <ali1234> just with smaller numbers
[15:33] <AlanBell> shouldn't make much difference, but generally I am burning a CD sized image onto a CD
[15:33] <ali1234> so, do CDs do the same thing?
[15:33] <AlanBell> so I don't see the 50% thing
[15:34] <ali1234> what do you see?
[15:34] <ali1234> "iso 700mb, disc, 50mb free"
[15:35] <ali1234> is that dialogue part of brasero?
[15:35] <AlanBell> ok, yeah I see the same thing
[15:37] <ali1234> ok bug report incoming
[15:37] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202012-04-03%2016:36:08.png
[15:38] <ali1234> bug 542019
[15:38] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 542019 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Confusing disk space when burning CD image" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542019
[15:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: april-july for us :)
[15:49] <paulf> i been having some issues with brasero burnign drv/rw and space issues
[15:49] <paulf> hope it gets fixed and better
[16:05] <bittin> promised to read questions for 5-800 geeks
[16:08] <Azelphur> ?
[16:10] <MooDoo> bittin: you in the right channel?
[16:10] <bittin> MooDoo, maybe
[16:11] <MooDoo> bittin: lol ok :D
[16:12] <shauno> OT question; renewing a passport, is the 'supporting documentation' just the previous passport?  I'm going round in circles with this :/
[16:12] <AlanBell> shauno: yes
[16:13] <AlanBell> I got my new passport back last week
[16:13] <shauno> silly site just keeps telling me how important 'supporting documentation' is but forgets to mention what they want  heh
[16:15] <ali1234> ring htem up
[16:15] <ali1234> they are suprisingly helpful
[16:18] <shauno> eh, they close at midday here :/
[16:20] <shauno> "Open Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays from 9.00am to 12.30pm thereafter."  I want that job!
[16:28] <shauno> I did find out that I can travel to/from uk/ireland on an expired passport tho.  that came in handy earlier this year.
[16:35] <kaushal> Hi
[16:37] <kaushal> I have configured WIFI ADSL Router using WPA2-AES encryption method
[16:37] <kaushal> is there a way to check on the client system ?
[16:37] <kaushal> what encryption method has been used ?
[16:38] <kaushal> iwconfig and sudo iw dev wlan0 link does not show encryption method
[16:38] <bigcalm> kaushal: right click the network connection icon
[16:38] <kaushal> Any other way around ?
[16:38] <bigcalm> Click Connection Information
[16:38] <kaushal> WPA/WPA2
[16:39] <bigcalm> Other than that, I don't know sorry :)
[16:41] <popey> kaushal: nm-tool
[16:41] <davmor2> kaushal: click on edit connections... click on the wireless tab.... click on the name of the connection... click on edit and then look at the security tab
[16:41] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/913250/  eg
[16:44] <kaushal> popey: ok
[16:44] <kaushal> popey: also is there a way to see if my wlan0 is 802.11 a/b/gn ?
[16:45] <kaushal> 802.11 a/b/g/n
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: iw wlan0 link
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> (it shows if the current network is a/b/g or n)
[17:08] <AlanBell> !info precise grub2
[17:08] <lubotu3`> 'grub2' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, unstable
[17:08] <AlanBell> !info grub2 precise
[17:08] <lubotu3`> grub2 (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.99-20ubuntu1 (precise), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for any-i386 any-amd64 any-powerpc any-ppc64 any-sparc any-mipsel i386 kopensolaris-i386 amd64 powerpc ppc64 sparc mipsel kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[17:08] <AlanBell> hmm, do I accept this update or wait for another
[17:09]  * AlanBell updates
[19:24] <penguin42> I don't suppose there are any MIPS guys here at the moment are they and can give me an example encoding of an instruction?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: MIPS is _weird_
[19:25]  * MartijnVdS looked at OpenWRT binaries
[19:26] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's not that odd is it?
[19:26] <penguin42> it's one of the simplest encodings on the planet isn't it?
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Uhm.. yes.. but I'm used to x86 asm :)
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: so it's strange _to me_
[19:26] <brobostigon> pub dig, that is on ch5 right now, has been to my local, so i might be seen, :(
[19:27] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: If you think MIPS is weird, try to look at an Itanium assembly
[19:27] <popey> i used to quite enjoy a bit of 8086 asm
[19:27] <popey> although preferred z80 and 6502
[19:28] <popey> in line assembler in BBC Basic was fun
[19:28]  * penguin42 has done most
[19:29] <penguin42> popey: Heck yes, I wrote tons and tons of that as a kid
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I'd rather not
[19:29]  * penguin42 is just writing an android frontend to binutils as a disassembler and I'm just trying to get one or two instructions of each to check
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: you have a working mips binary + mips binutils?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: (i.e. you can get a proper disassemble)
[19:31] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: No working MIPS binary to hand - I guess I could grab one
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: get a random package from openwrt..
[19:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Ubuntu and VNC on EC2 - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4558
[19:31] <penguin42> I do have the disassembler
[19:31] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Ah yes I could
[19:42] <dogmatic69> http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Host-Your-Own-Domain-With-Bind9-on-Ubuntu-49585.shtml
[19:42] <dogmatic69> see the first command in the example... sudo passwd root :O
[20:06] <AlanBell> 5 year old article too
[20:17]  * bittin is watching  花ざかりの君たちへ イケメン♂パラダイス
[20:24] <bigcalm> bittin: that's easy for you to say
[20:26] <daftykins> that's a whole lotta blank
[20:34] <daftykins> sigh at all the pesky olympics jazz that's already flooding the airwaves and so on
[20:39] <hamitron> well, hope some people are enjoying it.... cost us enough
[20:40] <daftykins> ;)
[21:08]  * popey spidey sense goes bing
[21:08] <popey> hello _2E0BXQ M6LJD Lee[__]
[21:09] <daftykins> 0o
[21:09] <Azelphur> hmm, spout wants me to give them an SFTP account so they can mirror on my server, they have some really odd ways of setting things up
[21:12] <hamitron> real men don't use mirrors, they just have engines
[21:12] <popey> /opme/25
[21:12] <popey> bah
[21:14] <bigcalm> Press alt+f4 for ops!
[21:14] <daftykins> ...
[21:14] <bigcalm> Join #1,000 for ops!
[21:14] <bigcalm> The , bug might have been mIRC only
[21:16]  * AlanBell finishes filling in answers to http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/
[21:19] <Azelphur> Yea, really odd
[21:20] <Azelphur> for a mirror they want mongodb that's using up like 2GB of RAM (Although they say it'll scale down?) and they want SFTP too :S
[21:20] <Azelphur> this doesn't seem normal for a mirror, any comments?
[21:20] <ali1234> mirror of what?
[21:21] <Azelphur> spout
[21:21] <ali1234> what is it?
[21:21] <Azelphur> a minecraft fork
[21:21] <directhex> Azelphur: push mirroring?
[21:21] <Azelphur> directhex: yea, that's what I expected, they seem to have some real weird setup involving PHP and serving files directly from a database :S
[21:21] <ali1234> why does that even need a mirror?
[21:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: big files, lots of downloads?
[21:22] <ali1234> minecraft? big?
[21:22] <Azelphur> yes?
[21:22] <directhex> people always expect minecraft to be small & lightweight
[21:23] <directhex> it needs gigs o' ram!
[21:23] <ali1234> the source code is only a couple of mb though
[21:23] <directhex> even in a real programming language it'd need gigs o' ram
[21:23] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/GDe47t1y is the conversation I had btw
[21:23] <ali1234> we're not talking about running a server
[21:24] <Azelphur> ali1234: nah we're talking about mirroring files
[21:24] <ali1234> you are providing the resources, you make the rules
[21:24] <Azelphur> yea I suppose so
[21:25] <directhex> i'd just say no tbh.
[21:25] <Azelphur> I mean I just don't wanna seem like an ass, is it normal for all these dependencies for a mirror?
[21:25] <Azelphur> MongoDB, PHP, SFTP access being the main things
[21:25] <daftykins> Azelphur: are they asking for human sacrifice?
[21:25] <daftykins> ah
[21:25] <ali1234> no it's not normal at all
[21:25] <daftykins> close enough
[21:25] <Azelphur> haha
[21:26] <ali1234> i still don't understand what they want to mirror
[21:26] <directhex> not remotely normal for a file mirror. reasonably normal for a site mirror if their site is written with mongodb and php
[21:26] <ali1234> yeah, i'm assuming file mirror
[21:26] <Azelphur> yea, file mirror
[21:27] <directhex> and SFTP has nothing in common with FTP. that'd be FTPS
[21:27] <directhex> yes the naming is awesome
[21:27] <Azelphur> indeed, I know
[21:30] <ali1234> it's not worth arguing though
[21:30] <Azelphur> yea
[21:30] <Azelphur> trying to help them, but the deps are a bit crazy
[21:30] <Azelphur> as I say MongoDB for some reason decides to eat huge amounts of RAM if there is any free
[21:31] <daftykins> OM NOM NOM
[21:31] <Azelphur> on my box it was eating up 2GB of RAM, it's apparently supposed to scale down depending on available free RAM, but I really don't see how that's a sensible setup
[21:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Open Standards Open Opportunities - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/04/03/open-standards-open-opportunities/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-standards-open-opportunities
[21:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Looking Towards Ubuntu 12.04 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/03/looking-towards-ubuntu-12-04/
[21:35] <directhex> Azelphur: nosql tends to be a bit batshit insane
[21:35] <Azelphur> directhex: haha, I noticed
[21:37] <directhex> the preferred term is "bonghits"
[21:37]  * AlanBell likes the nosql concept
[22:16] <daftykins> lovely response from Fasthosts today regarding a client's email setup and his inability to email his gf
[22:16] <daftykins> "Unfortunately Spamrats have blocked our shared IP address due to the way in which reverse DNS is configured on our shared mail platform. We are currently addressing this with our engineers to see if there is any way this can be resolved. As these potential changes would have to be made globally across our network we are unable to ascertain if a resolution is possible and if so how long this would take to implement."
[22:16] <bigcalm> :(
[22:17] <bigcalm> Time to move email providers
[22:18] <daftykins> not really an option
[22:20] <daftykins> i've told the client he has to use his gmail account for now :D
[22:24] <daftykins> i won't expect he'll be chuffed XD
[22:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Open Source Software and Security - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/04/03/open-source-software-and-security/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-source-software-and-security
[23:19] <Seeker`> popey: Happy popeday!