[00:12] <JanC> Daekdroom: I have appmenu installed, but disabled the global menu, I think...
[00:17] <JanC> maybe I should use dual menus...
[00:36] <mhall119> JanC: if you disable exporting the menu structure, HUD doesn't have anything to work with
[00:42] <JanC> I want "global menu" for maximized applications only, but apparently none of the developers/designers wants that  ;)
[00:43] <JanC> mhall119: "exporting" it should be independent of implementation  ;)
[00:44] <mhall119> JanC: local menus are being worked on, they just weren't ready for 12.04
[00:45] <JanC> well, let's hope
[00:45] <mhall119> JanC: exporting *is* independent of display, which is how both global meny and HUD can display it
[00:45] <JanC> right
[00:45] <mhall119> but depending on what/how you disabled it, it may not be exporting anymore
[02:08] <bschaefer> thumper, ping, fixed those issues in the autopilot test for: https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/hud-to-dash-fix/+merge/100064
[02:08] <bschaefer> thanks for reviewing it
[02:09] <thumper> ok
[02:09] <thumper> I'll try to get back to it soonish
[02:09] <bschaefer> not a problem, just wanted to let you know
[02:09] <thumper> thanks
[02:19] <bschaefer> thomi, ping, about that ibus crash fix you have. Do you know of any way to reproduce it?
[02:20] <thomi> bschaefer: nope, I was running the AP test suite. However, continually running the AP test suite (inside a 'while 1' bash loopo for e.g.) always crashes unity for me eventually
[02:20] <thomi> ...also, it seems to often crash on that first test
[02:20] <bschaefer> thomi, odd...I was thinking how to test it
[02:20] <bschaefer> let me see if I can get it to crash for me
[02:20]  * thomi tries running just the first test
[02:22] <thomi> bschaefer: I set it going while I went out for lunch. 3 AP iterations later.. bang!
[02:23] <bschaefer> well at lease the ap found it :). Has it found it since you fixed it?
[02:24] <bschaefer> ie. it shouldn't have crashed since. Which should mean if the crash is present at anyother time the ap test will eventually find it.
[02:24] <bschaefer> so this should be covered under the ap tests!
[02:26] <bschaefer> thomi, approved it, ill run my ap test a few times over night to make sure it doesn't occur again!
[02:27] <thomi> ok
[02:27] <thomi> bschaefer: I recommend doing this inside an infinite loop:
[02:28] <thomi> ummm, where did I put that script....
[02:28] <bschaefer> I was just going to write up a bash script to call it over and over again
[02:28] <thomi> well, smethign like this:
[02:28] <bschaefer> but a python one would be better :)
[02:28] <thomi> ./tools/autopilot run -o `tempfile --suffix=autopilot`
[02:28] <thomi> nah, I used bash
[02:29] <thomi> bschaefer: also, probably worth running unity inside gdb, so when it does crash you can fix it easily
[02:29] <bschaefer> thomi, I get a weird thing when I use gdb and run autopilot tests...something about not being to find...ugg forgot let me look it up
[02:29] <bschaefer> and alright sounds good! "saved command"
[02:30] <bschaefer> thomi, o yeah, I forgot I wanted to talk to you about search bars
[02:30] <bschaefer> between the hud/dash
[02:31] <thomi> ok
[02:31] <bschaefer> since they share search bars, soo let me pull up that test
[02:32] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/hud-to-dash-fix/+merge/100064
[02:32] <bschaefer> so those ap test, I had to check if the hud was visible before so I know Im checking the huds' search bar
[02:33] <bschaefer> because self.hud.searchstring and self.dash.searchstring will give you w/e string that is in the active search bar. So self.hud.searchstring will give you a dash search string
[02:34] <thomi> bschaefer: ahhhh yes.
[02:34] <thomi> I know what this is.
[02:34]  * thomi looks at the code
[02:35] <thomi> bschaefer: wait, so inside unity they use the same *instance*?  I'm aware they use the same class....
[02:35] <thomi> this isn't the problem I was expecting...
[02:36] <bschaefer> I don't think they use the same "instance" I don't think...there are 2 news...let me double check
[02:37] <bschaefer> yeah DashView.cpp:186, new search bar and HudView.cpp:380 new search bar
[02:38] <thomi> ok,
[02:38] <thomi> you should get different results
[02:38] <thomi> as long as you get the searchbar from the hud/dash classes
[02:38] <thomi> if you just do this: SearchBar.get_all_instances()[0]
[02:39] <thomi> you'll get the first one in the tree, which might not be what you want
[02:40] <bschaefer> thomi, hmm, the hud and dash emulators use self.get_children_by_type(SearchBar)[0]
[02:41] <bschaefer> thomi, ill give you an example of what I mean in an ap test.
[02:43] <bschaefer> thomi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/912411/ that returns true, when it shouldn't
[02:43]  * thomi looks
[02:43] <bschaefer> since they typing should go to the dash, and the hud search string should be empty
[02:44] <thomi> hmmmm
[02:45] <bschaefer> which is why I forced the visible check
[02:45] <thomi> get_children_by_type uses the Children property of the item you call it on....
[02:46] <bschaefer> thomi, what if we exposed the search string it self from the HudView and DashView
[02:46] <bschaefer> instead of using the whole search bar
[02:46] <thomi> nah, we need to figure out what's going on
[02:46] <bschaefer> expose meaning introspect
[02:47] <thomi> can you extend that test to print the 'id' property of both search bars for me and paste the results here?
[02:47] <thomi> they should be different
[02:47] <bschaefer> just .id?
[02:47] <thomi> yup
[02:47] <thomi> so self.dash.searchbar.id and self.hud.searchbar.id
[02:47] <bschaefer> ok
[02:50] <bschaefer> ugg one sec something is being weird
[02:51] <bschaefer> ok the hud search bar is 21 and the dash is 51
[02:51] <bschaefer> so they have different ids
[02:51] <thomi> ...ok...
[02:52] <thomi> hmmmmm
[02:53] <bschaefer> ok, so after I wrote "focus" in the dash and then print there ids and the current search string it gives me
[02:54] <bschaefer> different ids, but the same search string...so
[02:54] <thomi> I wonder if this is happening in Unity
[02:54] <bschaefer> Ill see if I type something in to hud, and have the dash have some string and see if they are different
[02:55] <bschaefer> as the dash saves the string around
[02:57] <thomi> ok, I'll set up that test as well...
[02:57] <bschaefer> ooo so, I got a different search string when I left "focus" in the dash and then typed "focus1" in the hud
[02:58] <thomi> ....huh?
[02:59] <bschaefer> so...if you open the dash then type "Focus". Then go to the autopilot test and make it type "focus1" in the hud they get different search strings
[03:01] <thomi> hmmm
[03:01] <bschaefer> now I cant reproduce that problem I was getting before
[03:02] <bschaefer> well now it seems to be working...
[03:06] <thomi> bschaefer: yeah it seems to work perfectly for me here.
[03:08] <bschaefer> thomi, ugg Im an idiot and the dash saved the "focus" and I didn't think anything was there since it was closed...
[03:09] <bschaefer> thomi, which is what Im thinking I did
[03:09] <bschaefer> sorry!
[03:09] <thomi> hahaha
[03:09] <thomi> nice. don't worry about it. It's nice to know I'm not the only person who does things like that :)
[03:09] <bschaefer> haha, Ill remove those .visisble checks in those test now
[03:10] <bschaefer> and Ill change the search string to make sure they don't effect each other
[03:13] <bschaefer> cool, fixed those ap test. Thanks
[06:23] <htorque> hi all! is the hud known to leak or use lots of memory? yesterday the hud-service was at 1.2 gib with no program opened.
[07:53] <gotwig> mhall119: morning
[07:54] <gotwig> mhr3, davidcalle: morning
[07:54] <davidcalle> gotwig, hey
[07:55] <mhr3> hey, hey
[07:55] <mhr3> davidcalle, any updates to video lens? :)
[07:55] <Saviq> hey guys, what do you think might be responsible for reintroducing bug 878492 ?
[07:56] <gotwig> davidcalle: how can I exit a scope ? sys.exit does not work
[07:56] <Saviq> it seems gtk apps are affected, both under unity and -2d, not qt apps, though
[07:56] <davidcalle> gotwig, ask mhr3 :)
[07:56] <gotwig> mhr3: how can I exit a scope ? sys.exit does not work
[07:57] <davidcalle> mhr3, I've done small bugfixes. But I really can't reproduce the visible results for prior search bug.
[07:59] <mhr3> gotwig, there's no way sys.exit wouldn't work
[07:59] <mhr3> davidcalle, freezes are near :(
[08:03] <gotwig> mhr3: qt apps dont quit
[08:03] <gotwig> mhr3: with sys.exit()
[08:04] <gotwig> mhr3: it works, wohu
[08:04] <gotwig> mhr3: I tried to put the text message into the sys.exit(..)
[08:07] <gotwig> davidcalle: so now I have to work on the icons :-)
[08:08] <davidcalle> mhr3, network hiccup, have you answered something?
[08:09] <davidcalle> gotwig, good luck
[08:09] <mhr3> davidcalle, just said that freezes are near
[08:10] <davidcalle> mhr3, ok, then : how do you produce this bug ?
[08:11] <mhr3> put a few second sleep after spawning locate?
[08:12] <mhr3> that's basically what must be happening, no? locate taking time to do its stuff
[08:13] <gotwig> davidcalle: works
[08:13] <davidcalle> mhr3, that's actually a good test, trying now
[08:13] <davidcalle> gotwig, well done!
[08:18] <gotwig> davidcalle: version 0.2 is going to be releases ASAP ;)
[08:32] <Saviq> didrocks, maybe you'll know what to do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/878492/comments/43
[08:33] <didrocks> Saviq: it seemed to be a Gtk issue, I talked about it and 3D is impacted
[08:33] <didrocks> Saviq: I think we have bigger issue to deal with for finale TBH
[08:34] <Saviq> didrocks, ok, glad you're aware of that
[08:48] <gotwig> back :-)
[08:48] <gotwig> davidcalle: does not work fully :/ but the daemon does not get launched when gourmet recipe manager is not installed, thats good.
[09:00] <gotwig> morning, got a problem with a search loop. I want for every image of a row in a column an extra image. When I dont search for anything, I see all, when I search for something, the 2.th recipe gets the image of the first recipe, the 3.th that of the 2.th, etc. : http://bpaste.net/show/26403/  I think I got to save the state somehow
[09:09] <tsdgeos> didrocks: ping
[09:09] <didrocks> hey tsdgeos
[09:09] <tsdgeos> didrocks: so i commited the stuff for the hud read configuration key from gsettings stuff
[09:09] <didrocks> you mean gconf, right?
[09:09] <tsdgeos> didrocks: you said you'd help me with the "override" stuff, whatever that was
[09:10] <didrocks> right ;)
[09:10] <tsdgeos> didrocks: yes, gconf
[09:10] <didrocks> tsdgeos: I'll propre a branch with it and the packaging
[09:10] <didrocks> should be short, one sec
[09:10] <tsdgeos> didrocks: great :-)
[09:10] <didrocks> tsdgeos: oh, in fact
[09:10] <didrocks> tsdgeos: we can avoid that
[09:10] <didrocks> if the gconf key is unset
[09:10] <didrocks> do you revert to "alt"?
[09:11] <tsdgeos> i think i disable the shortcut
[09:11] <gotwig> morning, got a problem with a search loop. I want for every image of a row in a column an extra image. When I dont search for anything, I see all, when I search for something, the 2.th recipe gets the image of the first recipe, the 3.th that of the 2.th, etc.  (NEWCODE) : http://bpaste.net/show/26404/  I think I got to save the state somehow
[09:11] <didrocks> tsdgeos: hum… ok, in that case, let's do an override
[09:12] <tsdgeos> didrocks: i can make it default to alt if you think that's more resilient
[09:12] <didrocks> tsdgeos: no, maybe some user want to deactivate completly the hUD
[09:12] <didrocks> HUD
[09:12] <didrocks> in that case, you won't know if there is a value or not
[09:12] <tsdgeos> riight
[09:13] <didrocks> oh sweet, we already have defaults for metacity
[09:13] <didrocks> so should be one line, one sec
[09:16] <didrocks> tsdgeos: quite easy: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-2d/default-gconf-value/+merge/100572
[09:23] <tsdgeos> didrocks: know nothing about that file but the file makes a relative sense in my "know nothing" mind so i'll trust you ;-)
[09:24] <didrocks> tsdgeos: thanks ;)
[09:36] <htorque> can anyone help me to understand this? indicator-appmenu in precise contains a change that's just a merge proposal for lp:indicator-appmenu - how's that possible?
[09:37] <htorque> (there are no patches in the debian directory)
[09:38] <seb128> htorque, I usually bzr merge lp:.... to backport fixes
[09:38] <seb128> htorque, i.e the vcs deal with them, no patch system involved
[09:39] <htorque> seb128: how would i see that?
[09:40] <htorque> https://code.launchpad.net/~desrt/indicator-appmenu/hud-performance/+merge/100480
[09:40] <htorque> there's a change in there i see when doing apt-get source, but not when i get trunk
[09:41] <htorque> however, i believe the installed packages doesn't contain that fix (it's about a small missing g_free leak that's part of that fix)
[09:41] <htorque> *package
[09:43] <seb128> htorque, what are you trying to do?
[09:43] <htorque> seb128: meh, sorry...  i looked at the wrong changelog :(
[09:43] <seb128> htorque, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-appmenu/ubuntu/revision/223
[09:43] <seb128> that's the leak fix I backported
[09:43] <seb128> it adds a   g_free (item->priv->app_icon);
[09:44] <seb128> htorque, you can see the diff from the page
[09:45] <htorque> seb128: i looked at ChangeLog, not debian/changelog - not enough coffee i guess. ;-)
[09:45] <seb128> htorque, ;-)
[09:50] <tsdgeos> didrocks: ping
[09:50] <didrocks> tsdgeos: hey hey
[09:51] <tsdgeos> didrocks: the "reveal sensitivity" in the auto-hide launcher behaviour tab of the control panel is your responsability?
[09:51] <didrocks> tsdgeos: right
[09:52] <tsdgeos> didrocks: nothing, for a moment i thought it did not change unity2d setting, but it does
[09:52] <didrocks> :-)
[09:52] <didrocks> tsdgeos: it does. However, as 2d and 3d doesn't use the same key, despite my demand, I listen only on gconf (as ccsm is a graphical tool to change it)
[09:53] <didrocks> if I listen to both gsettings and gconf changes, we can end up in bad loops
[09:53] <didrocks> and people using dconf-editor to change the key should be aware they are not using an official tool :)
[09:59] <tsdgeos> sure
[09:59] <tsdgeos> still works
[09:59] <didrocks> right ;)
[09:59] <tsdgeos> just gets out of sync with the control panel stuff
[10:00] <didrocks> indeed
[10:00] <didrocks> not a biggy IMHO, most people will just use the ui or ccsm
[10:15] <gotwig> still got problem with that :/
[10:24] <gotwig> is there a way to show only the half part of unicode charackters?
[10:56] <gotwig> hey
[10:56] <gotwig> how may I prefill my lens/scope ? e.g when someone switches on my lens/scope he jost gets "no scores for your search...."
[10:56] <gotwig> *just*
[10:57] <gotwig> *now
[11:23] <tsdgeos> didrocks: is the unity merger stopped? or just slow?
[11:27] <didrocks> tsdgeos: no, there is an issue in the QA labs. Basically IS cut the ssh access to the whole QA lab because something is making a hundreds of requests every minute (and no, it's not the bot :p)
[11:27] <didrocks> tsdgeos: so, they are looking at the source of the issue now
[11:27] <tsdgeos> nice :-)
[12:49] <gotwig> jo
[12:49] <gotwig> (join #pythno
[13:40] <didrocks> tsdgeos: just to warn you, the key for Alt now can be <Alt_L> or Alt_L. Not sure if that would be a difference for you
[13:41] <tsdgeos> didrocks: of course, that breaks everything :D
[13:41] <tsdgeos> didrocks: can even be without <> ?
[13:41] <didrocks> tsdgeos: glad that I warned you then? ;)
[13:41] <didrocks> tsdgeos: well, this one is under discussion
[13:41] <tsdgeos> that'd even break me more
[13:41] <didrocks> tsdgeos: it's what g-c-c will do right now
[13:41] <didrocks> tsdgeos: I'm trying to keep it so that there will still be <…>
[13:41] <tsdgeos> since i'm assuming <>*\c*
[13:42] <tsdgeos> so i'd have to rewrite the whole parser
[13:42] <didrocks> tsdgeos: so assume for now <Alt_L> at least
[13:42] <tsdgeos> will do
[13:51] <gotwig> JohnLea: hey
[13:51] <gotwig> jono: hey
[13:51] <jono> hey gotwig
[13:54] <gotwig> would be gladful for every tip, to fix the bug that all icons only get shown when I search for nothing in my scope... when I type something, the icon cache, etc. gets accessed in a wrong way, and the icon from the first applied to the 2.th the 3.th to the 4.th recipe item , etc. :  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gotwig/lens-cooking/lens-cooking/view/head:/unity-scope-gourmet#L105
[13:58] <jono> dbarth, could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/965492
[13:58] <jono> I worry that this may be affecting our user experience right when people start using the dash
[14:04] <gotwig> Do you know how I can affect the first screen of my lens? when you press first time on it in the dash, and you have nothing entered.
[14:05] <dbarth> jono: hi, onit
[14:06] <dbarth> jono: do you get that immediately after logging in?
[14:06] <jono> dbarth, yep
[14:06] <dbarth> jono: that's the delayed loading i suppose, to accelerate startup time
[14:06] <jono> dbarth, right
[14:06] <dbarth> but you have no way of knowing that something is about to happen
[14:07] <dbarth> or broken
[14:07] <jono> what worries me is that if a user logs in and clicks the dash right away it looks broken
[14:07] <dbarth> i agree
[14:07] <jono> dbarth, indeed
[14:07] <dbarth> jono: the spinning circle could help during that wait time, and without requiring a message and translation and so on
[14:08] <dbarth> i'll run that by johnlea
[14:08] <jono> dbarth, you mean the spinning circle next to the search?
[14:08] <dbarth> jono: btw, did you resolve your album art issue?
[14:08] <jono> dbarth, no have the same issue
[14:08] <jono> just tested now
[14:08] <dbarth> jono: yes, something we already have in place; reusing
[14:08] <dbarth> hmm
[14:12] <dbarth> jono: ok,done for the first issue
[14:12] <dbarth> jono: for the album art, let me see if lamalex has an idea
[14:12] <jono> dbarth, is there any way we can just get rid of the delay in icons appearing?
[14:12] <dbarth> lamalex: there?
[14:12] <lamalex> yes but in the QA meeting
[14:12] <jono> even if a spinner is shown, it takes four or five secs for the results to appear
[14:12] <lamalex> give me 15 mins?
[14:12] <jono> which seems slugging
[14:12] <jono> sluggish
[14:12] <dbarth> lamalex: ah ok, np; just wondering how to help jono help us
[14:13] <lamalex> id need to read the backlog- i got no idea what you're talking about
[14:13] <lamalex> but im trying to pay attention in the meeting :P
[14:14] <dbarth> didrocks: ping? we are deferring the loading of lenses at startup, right?
[14:15] <dbarth> JohnLea: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/965492 if that sounds like an acceptable solution to you
[14:15] <didrocks> dbarth: hum? this is already done
[14:15] <didrocks> mhr3: isn't it? ^
[14:17] <mhr3> didrocks, what exactly?
[14:20] <didrocks> mhr3: we have lenses loading delayed at startup right?
[14:20] <didrocks> or told differently, that didn't regress in last release? (I didn't check the past 2 weeks ;))
[14:20] <didrocks> dbarth's questions make me wonder if we still have it or if it's unrelated
[14:21] <mhr3> didrocks, yes, the loading is delayed
[14:21] <didrocks> ok ;)
[14:21] <mhr3> dbarth seems to be wanting it to be faster though
[14:23] <didrocks> we don't ;)
[14:23] <didrocks> we as "distro" :p
[14:23] <mhr3> i agree with the spinner though, it's odd that you don't see it if you're not searching
[14:24] <mhr3> actually wanted to ask JohnLea about it as well
[14:25] <gotwig> I want it to be faster, too ^^
[14:25] <gotwig> was it realy a good decision to use python for lenses & scopes?
[14:26] <gotwig> mhr3: ^
[14:27] <mhr3> default lenses are native
[14:27] <mhr3> expect video lens
[14:27] <mhr3> except*
[14:37] <gotwig> mhr3: what you mean with native
[14:37] <mhr3> gotwig, not python
[14:37] <gotwig> mhr3: so what
[14:38] <gotwig> g2g
[14:38] <mhr3> so they can be fast if you want them fast
[14:39] <mhr3> and they're development can be convenient if you want it convenient
[14:39] <lamalex> ok dbarth jono what do you need?
[14:42] <JohnLea> mhr3; what is the question?
[14:43] <mhr3> JohnLea, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/965492/comments/4
[14:45] <mhr3> JohnLea, plus i'd show the spinner anytime a lens is taking time to display/update results (currently it's shown only if you're doing a search)
[14:46] <JohnLea> mhr3; so the questions is "if the Dash results are slow loading (because the user has just logged in), is it acceptable to show the usual spinner in the search box??  If that's the question, the answer is yes, because it is for times like this that there is a spinner in the search box ;-)  However of course the best solution would be for search to be faster ;-)
[14:46] <JohnLea> mhr3; go ahead, that is why there is a spinner ;-)
[14:53] <mhall119> didrocks: ping
[14:54] <didrocks> mhall119: hey
[14:56] <jono> lamalex, I reported a bug about no album art appearing
[14:56] <jono> lamalex, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-music/+bug/965483
[14:57] <gotwig> Want to test the new version of my cooking lens? https://code.launchpad.net/~gotwig/+archive/lens-cooking please help me in fixing bugs :-) e.g the gourmet scope has problem with showing the right icon of recipes.
[14:58] <gotwig> oh sry, it first starts to build xD
[14:58] <mhall119> didrocks: hi, I was talking to balloons yesterday about getting some documentation together about how community people can contribute to testing Unity, and he said you might be able to help with more unity-specific testing tools and docs than he had
[14:59] <gotwig> mhall119: I would like to develop lenses & scopes in c, or an other native language :!
[14:59] <mhall119> gotwig: go for it
[14:59] <gotwig> mhall119: lol :D ?
[14:59] <mhall119> since it all happens over DBus, you can choose just about anything
[15:00] <gotwig> mhall119: oh yeah :D
[15:00] <didrocks> mhall119: indeed, with unity-checkbox
[15:00] <didrocks> mhall119: I think popey is about to do a screencast for this week-end call for testing
[15:01] <gotwig> unity-checkbox just sucks....
[15:01] <gotwig> I never got feedback for my bugs or reports, and there is / was somehow no 12.04 support
[15:01] <mhall119> didrocks: oh that would be excellent
[15:01] <didrocks> gotwig: thanks for considering the work done by other people here
[15:01] <mhall119> didrocks: what about stuff like autopilot, does it make sense to ask community people to run those?
[15:02] <didrocks> gotwig: btw, I gave some feedback from all testing period on my blog, and so on planet ubuntu
[15:02] <didrocks> gotwig: with hundreds of testers, it's not possible to answer to everyone by email one by one… sorry
[15:02] <didrocks> mhall119: no, the test is screwing the session and it's quite shacky
[15:02] <didrocks> mhall119: like a lot of timeouts (40 tests failing on 200 on an average)
[15:03] <mhall119> ouch
[15:03] <didrocks> needs a english box only
[15:03] <mhall119> ok
[15:03] <gotwig> didrocks: I forgive you :-)
[15:03] <gotwig> didrocks: lol
[15:03] <gotwig> didrocks: I wasnt able to submit my submission.xml
[15:04] <didrocks> gotwig: that's different, a checkbox issues… seems that hundreds of people can though, did you sign on launchpad?
[15:04] <gotwig> didrocks: no question ;)
[15:05] <didrocks> well, if you don't sign in on launchpad, there is no way your results can be pushed :)
[15:05] <gotwig> didrocks: that meant yes
[15:06] <gotwig> didrocks: :-) but ok.. I just wanted to help
[15:06] <didrocks> ah, weird though, you can still ask on #qa, I have no real clue about checkbox signing on process
[15:06] <gotwig> Want to test the new version of my cooking lens? https://code.launchpad.net/~gotwig/+archive/lens-cooking please help me in fixing bugs :-) e.g the gourmet scope has problem with showing the right icon of recipes.  now realy in PPA :-)
[15:07] <zgreg> a lens with cooking recipes? lol :)
[15:08] <gotwig> zgreg: you can search for recipes, yip
[15:08] <gotwig> zgreg: online & offline
[15:09] <zgreg> I'd rather like to see unity perform better ony my netbook without any hacks
[15:09] <zgreg> disabling vsync in compiz configuration definitely improves performance a lot for me, yet I don't see any tearing even without it
[15:10] <rye> erm, precise, alt+f2 start typing totem - the totem icon actually there until you enter "m", why?
[15:12] <zgreg> rye: I don't understand that last sentence
[15:12] <Daekdroom> zgreg, the totem app icon disappears from the results once you finish typing totem
[15:12] <Daekdroom> Which is not necessarily a bug. You can type 'totem' then press Enter
[15:13] <Daekdroom> But doesn't seem consistent.
[15:13] <rye> zgreg: ^ what Daekdroom said, but you can't run totem this way for some reason
[15:13] <zgreg> hmm I've never seen anything like that, but I think it is a bug
[15:13] <gotwig> can someone help me in testing?
[15:13] <zgreg> this is very irritating
[15:13] <gotwig> zgreg: I am a hobby developer, btw..
[15:13] <Daekdroom> Interestingly enough, it doesn't happen with gedit.
[15:13] <zgreg> or confusing, maybe
[15:13] <Daekdroom> or pidgin
[15:13] <Daekdroom> or anything else I'm trying
[15:14] <Daekdroom> Poor Totem.
[15:14] <rye> Daekdroom: firefox is ok... also i see that totem has some totem-abc, totem-blah-blah-blah apps too, so maybe the matching system thinks it needs to start matching other ones
[15:15] <Daekdroom> It's definitely worth a bug report.
[15:15] <rye> okay
[15:15] <rye> for the first time i tried running totem using Alt+f2 throughout all the testing of Precise... :)
[15:16] <popey> rye: i can confirm that
[15:17] <rye> Daekdroom: aha, see for e.g. unity - it also has some commands starting with it, and once you press "y", the original one disappears (not that you will want to start it)
[15:17] <popey> rye: note that if you press Super then type "totem" it does appear
[15:17] <popey> or rather, doesn't disappear
[15:17] <rye> popey: yep, that's why i said "for the first time" - launching from dash/apps has always been working for me
[15:49] <tsdgeos> didrocks: has been the key for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/955193 been decided?
[15:50] <didrocks> tsdgeos: sorry, 5 people speaking at the same time, I saw your request…
[15:50] <didrocks> tsdgeos: the option will maybe not be there
[15:50] <tsdgeos> no probl :D
[15:50] <tsdgeos> ok
[15:57] <Daekdroom> Am I meant to be able to drag the Dash launcher?
[15:57] <Daekdroom> (even thought I still cannot change its position)
[16:35] <davidcalle> MacSlow, ping
[16:38] <MacSlow> davidcalle, poing
[16:38] <davidcalle> MacSlow, I've just seen the screenshot of your fix for cardview, nice :)
[16:39] <MacSlow> davidcalle, well... it's not merge-proposed yet and just this very moment there's some feedback from design... so don't hold you breath :)
[16:39] <davidcalle> MacSlow, fyi, gord is working on an icon fix, where non square icons don't fill the tiles as much as they should : here is the fix (on vertical renderer ) http://gordallott.com/share/Screenshot%20from%202012-04-02%2016:29:31.png
[16:40] <MacSlow> davidcalle, I know... he told me about it yesterday regadring the square vs landscape issue... regarding the video-lens
[16:40] <davidcalle> MacSlow, just wanted you to know, to avoid a design clash. I don't know what he is going to do about the horieontal renderer
[16:40] <davidcalle> MacSlow, ok then, if you know about it :)
[17:11] <izidor> all: hi, is there somebody who understands window focus model in Unity?
[17:12] <izidor> I would like to provide an option to show a window on foreground when user click in my appindicator
[17:12] <izidor> however, it works only when the same application has focus
[17:13] <izidor> on the other side, showing a window from indicator-sound or indicator-messages alway put a window into foreground
[17:13] <izidor> does anybody know how does work?
[17:14] <gotwig> jo
[17:17] <izidor> gotwig: hi
[17:17] <gotwig> izidor: hey, are you a dev?
[17:17] <gotwig> has anyone tested my lens :X
[17:17] <izidor> gotwig: a maintainer of GTG trying to find an answer to my questions
[17:17]  * gotwig asks YOU!
[17:17] <izidor> gotwig: what lens?
[17:17] <gotwig> izidor: cooking lens
[17:18] <gotwig> izidor: have you heard of it?
[17:19] <izidor> gotwig: honestly, no
[17:19] <gotwig> izidor: it was in omgubuntu news
[17:19] <izidor> I haven't heard about any users' lenses
[17:19] <izidor> gotwig: when?
[17:22] <gotwig> izidor: ??
[17:22] <kklimonda> wow, I'm having really hard time using unity with multiple workspaces. Can some dev spare me a moment so we could triage it a bit?
[17:22] <gotwig> izidor: want a link?
[17:23] <gotwig> izidor: http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDoQIDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3AsI2hXAbs0TgJ%3Awww.omgubuntu.co.uk%2F2012%2F02%2Fhungry-new-cooking-lens-brings-recipefy-to-ubuntu%2F%2B%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dde&ei=4jF7T_HqFIPusgaa1aXuAQ&usg=AFQjCNG087CU8eMQ6YiU5codeeup8MEUBQ&sig2=Pb3No4shCHNGzqY7CrSwXw
[17:24] <izidor> gotwig: thanks
[17:25] <gotwig> izidor: if you are interessted in using it, I would be pleased if you could give me some feedback :-)
[17:26] <izidor> gotwig: is it available also for 11.10?
[17:26] <gotwig> izidor: sorry, no
[17:26] <gotwig> izidor: many people asked me that, tough :X
[17:27] <izidor> gotwig: so I have to wait until release of 12.04
[17:27] <gotwig> izidor: I think so :-) but there are other great lenses , too for 12.04
[17:27] <izidor> gotwig: is it going to be a standard package in 12.04 ?
[17:27] <gotwig> izidor: I dont think so
[17:27] <gotwig> izidor: its part of the scope packagers ppa
[17:27] <izidor> gotwig: I am going to write mine as well ;)
[17:28] <gotwig> some people from ubuntu and canonical work on these packages, but I dont think that its going to be in the standard repo
[17:28] <izidor> gotwig: that's shame
[17:28] <gotwig> izidor: I dont know if I'm able to maintain it for that release
[17:28] <izidor> gotwig: common user is unable to install PPA
[17:28] <gotwig> izidor: thats not true... but its not nice, yes
[17:29] <gotwig> couse than apt-get update loads longer.. etc.
[17:29] <gotwig> and somehow its system integrated ;)
[17:29] <gotwig> so it shouldnt be in a PPA. IMHO
[17:29] <gotwig> izidor: the screens look good, right :P ?
[17:30] <izidor> gotwig: yes, it does
[17:30] <gotwig> izidor: in my next version you are able to use gourmet recipe manager recipes
[17:30] <gotwig> izidor: as a source
[17:31] <gotwig> izidor: and better formating
[17:31] <izidor> gotwig: looking forward to it
[17:32] <gotwig> izidor: ;) its somehow a hobby thing. Have you said, you are going to do some lenses/scopes as well?
[17:32] <izidor> gotwig: yes
[17:32] <izidor> for GTG
[17:32] <gotwig> izidor: GTG ?
[17:32] <izidor> (Getting Things GNOME!)
[17:32] <izidor> a task manager
[17:33] <izidor> http://gtg.fritalk.com/
[17:33] <gotwig> izidor: do you have a nice screen for me :-) ?
[17:34] <gotwig> izidor: I am a fan of the calendar lens
[17:34] <izidor> gotwig: http://ploum.net/public/gtg029.png
[17:34] <gotwig> izidor: even I dont use it
[17:35] <izidor> gotwig: but which calendar does it use?
[17:35] <gotwig> izidor: I think lightning
[17:35] <gotwig> izidor: thunderbird lightning
[17:35] <gotwig> I dont even know, which calendar is ubuntu 12.04 having??
[17:38] <gotwig> izidor: are you expierienced with python?
[17:40] <izidor> gotwig: yes, I am
[17:40] <gotwig> izidor: :-) I am not realy ^^ Have you time for now?
[17:41] <izidor> gotwig: kind of
[17:42] <gotwig> izidor: :-) I have a scope for recipefy.com . the problem is that each result page only has 12 results, what means that my scope can show now just 12 results for each search.
[17:42] <izidor> gotwig: yes...
[17:43] <gotwig> izidor: I want at least 24
[17:43] <gotwig> izidor: I think I am going to use a loop for that, somehow
[17:45] <izidor> gotwig: that's only option
[17:46] <izidor> or talk with theowners of site
[17:46] <gotwig> izidor: I already did
[17:46] <gotwig> izidor: they at least give me the permition to use their site....
[17:46] <gotwig> izidor: no one other gave me the permition
[17:52] <gotwig> izidor: can you help me with that problem?
[17:52] <izidor> gotwig: the only thing you can do is to get another page of results as well
[17:52] <izidor> the loop you proposed
[17:52] <gotwig> izidor: I know, but to realize that loop. there are much lines :X
[17:53] <izidor> gotwig: I have no code ;)
[17:53] <gotwig> wait for it
[17:54] <gotwig> izidor: I did extremly little of research ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/913375/
[17:55] <gotwig> izidor: I want that first the 12 results get loaded. when they are loaded and the user sees them, the next should get loaded. Becouse when you load both at one time, it looks a bit slow for the user, get it?
[17:58] <izidor> gotwig: i don't know much about unit lens API
[17:58] <izidor> gotwig: is there any button like "more"?
[17:59] <gotwig> izidor: what you mean
[17:59] <gotwig> izidor: on the webpage?
[17:59] <gotwig> there are links
[17:59] <gotwig> you have to realize buttons in unity scopes for your own
[18:11] <gotwig> izidor: ^
[18:41] <gotwig> izidor: ^
[18:41] <izidor> gotwig: I don't know how to create a button like that in Unity
[18:42] <gotwig> izidor: I want it loads auto
[18:42] <gotwig> "load"
[18:42] <gotwig> izidor: you know, buttons for this suck IMHO....
[18:43] <mhall119> izidor: Unity automatically puts a "More results" expander link if there are more results than can be displayed on one line
[18:44] <mhall119> but for something like "More results than what we're giving to unity" you'd need to provide your own
[19:14] <Klap-in> izidor: gtg looks bit similar to tomboy for me. just the possibility to add tags in plain text do attract me.
[19:14]  * mhall119 loves GTG
[19:15] <Klap-in> so at the first glance i do not see sync option in the documentation, it hasn't?
[19:15] <mhall119> Klap-in: IIRC, it'll sync with services like rememberthemilk
[19:15] <mhall119> and someone was working on Google tasks syncing
[19:16] <mhall119> I'd like to have U1 syncing myself
[19:17] <gotwig> why is there  no open alternative to U1
[19:17] <gotwig> it could be so good (open)...
[19:18] <jussi> gotwig: there is
[19:19] <jussi> owncloud :)
[19:19] <jussi> !info ownclowd
[19:20] <gotwig> jussi: but its not that well implemented into ubuntu like U1
[19:20] <gotwig> even these windows stuff is better integrated
[19:20] <gotwig> (windows server (exchange,  etc.) > windows 7 )
[19:21] <jussi> integrated in wht way? nautilus integration? or?
[19:21] <gotwig> jussi: E.G ;)
[19:21] <gotwig> jussi: and why double the work
[19:21] <gotwig> and why use U1 if its not even open source
[19:22] <AlanBell> so go integrate it
[19:22] <gotwig> hahaa
[19:22] <gotwig> its not OPEN SOURCE
[19:22] <jussi> no, owncloud is
[19:22] <gotwig> damn
[19:22] <gotwig> thats canonicals fault
[19:22] <AlanBell> owncloud is open source
[19:22] <gotwig> ... I know
[19:22] <gotwig> but its more a web thing
[19:22] <AlanBell> it isn't canonical's fault that owncloud isn't integrated
[19:22] <gotwig> U1.....
[19:23] <gotwig> that its not OS
[19:23] <jussi> owncloud is pretty nicely integrated into my Kubuntu....
[19:23] <jussi> ;)
[19:24] <gotwig> -..-
[19:24] <gotwig> if U1 would go open source , it would be good
[19:25] <gotwig> and landscape would be somehow 'cheaper'
[19:27] <gotwig> jussi: right?
[19:28] <jussi> gotwig: perhaps, but it isnt, and there isnt much we can do about it...
[19:28] <gotwig> jussi: launchpad is already OSS, one of the reasons I use it
[19:31] <Klap-in> gotwig: as dev/user that file stuff on it or do you mean you run an instance of launchpad on your server
[19:31] <gotwig> mhall119: have you tried out the new cooking lens version?
[19:31] <mhall119> gotwig: no, is it working in Precise?
[19:31] <gotwig> mhall119: ?
[19:32] <gotwig> mhall119: 12.04, yes
[19:32] <gotwig> mhall119: you know I have an extra PPA for that ;P
[19:32] <mhall119> gotwig: I'll have to check it out, did you submit it to the ARB yet?
[19:32] <gotwig> ARB?
[19:32] <gotwig> mhall119: its not perfect, known issues
[19:32] <mhall119> Application Review Board, they can make it available to everyone through the software center
[19:33] <gotwig> mhall119: ohh, no
[19:33] <gotwig> mhall119: not ready yet
[19:34] <gotwig> mhall119: Do you think its a problem that all is packaged in one package? the lens and all scopes. but only the scope that work get rn
[19:36] <mhall119> gotwig: that's actually the way the ARB would prefer it
[19:36] <mhall119> it's not a problem at all
[19:36] <jussi> gotwig: you know, I honestly dont care right now, Im off to bed.
[19:37] <mhall119> tedg: holy crap dude, HUD is amazing!
[19:37] <mhall119> I mean, I knew it was cool, but I used it with Gimp for the first time, and my mind is officially blown
[19:37] <gotwig> jussi: good night :-)
[19:38] <gotwig> mhall119: but why is the old gimp in the repos :/ ?
[19:38] <gotwig> mhall119: the gtk2 one...
[19:41] <mhall119> gotwig: it's the current stable version, as far as I kno
[19:42] <gotwig_> back
[19:42] <gotwig_> are here some good python coder's ? my code is ineffecent, for my scope, but I dont know how to optimize it
[19:45] <gotwig_> e.g if and elif instead of dictionary: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gotwig/lens-cooking/lens-cooking/view/head:/unity-scope-gourmet
[19:46] <tedg> mhall119, Heh, cool.  I don't know if I should be a bit scared this is your first time using it ;-)
[19:49]  * gotwig_ screams for help ^
[19:52] <markgifford> hi there. I'm using 12.04 beta2 and have a Unity issue. When I press Super + Up/Down (to max/min the active app window) the Unity "Keyboard Shortcuts" overlay appears immediately after. What's the best way of amending this?
[19:55] <mhall119> tedg: it turns out I rarely ever used menus for anything
[19:55] <mhall119> Gimp was really the first app where menu usage was significant
[19:58] <mhall119> gotwig_: make a "likes2stars" list at the start of your file
[19:58] <mhall119> then you can do likes2stars[likes]
[19:58] <mhall119> that should be faster
[19:59] <gotwig_> mhall119: with a loop?
[19:59] <gotwig_> mhall119: http://bpaste.net/show/26453/
[19:59] <mhall119> gotwig_: make it a list instead of a dict
[19:59] <mhall119> you can still index it by 0-10
[20:00] <mhall119> but that's faster with a list
[20:00] <mhall119> gotwig_: also, storing your images in sqlite and then writing them to /tmp/ is going to be *very* slow
[20:00] <gotwig_> mhall119: I know
[20:01] <mhall119> gotwig_: are you putting them in the sqlite, or is some other app doing that?
[20:01] <gotwig_> mhall119: I dont put anything :-) what you mean
[20:01] <gotwig_> I just parse data from sqlite
[20:01] <gotwig_> *or I try to do that*
[20:02] <mhall119> I'm not sure where that database is coming from
[20:03] <gotwig_> mhall119: ?
[20:03] <gotwig_> mhall119: from gourmet recipe manager
[20:04] <mhall119> oh, ok
[20:06] <gotwig_> I heard unity cant handle data URI's
[20:06] <mhall119> what do you mean by data uris?
[20:07] <Andy80> om26er: hi :) is the suspend feature working on your Asus 1215P after lastest upgrades? I just get a black screen and the system doesn't resume :\
[20:07] <gotwig_> mhall119: you know, to show the picture for your element in the scope, you have to deliver model.append an IMAGE URI/URL
[20:07] <gotwig_> there are data URI's out there, e.g for pictures to do that directly
[20:09] <gotwig_> mhall119: get it :-) ?
[20:10] <gotwig_> mhall119: what you mean with list?, btw
[20:11] <om26er> Andy80, have to test it, but don't have access to the netbook right now
[20:13] <mhall119> gotwig_: {0: 'foo'} creates a python dict() object
[20:13] <mhall119> ['foo', 'bar'] creates a python list() object
[20:13] <mhall119> lookups based on 0-10 will be faster with a list() than with a dict()
[20:21] <gotwig_> mhall119: I dont realy know how to use that :X
[20:21] <Andy80> om26er: ok, please let me know. I've already "triaged" this 3 times :(
[20:34] <gotwig_> mhall119: I did that. so how may I acess it that?
[20:35] <gotwig_> mhall119: I did that before, when I used elif with simply the variable name, but now I have to do it an other way
[20:37] <gotwig_> mhall119: I accesed it with str(likes) but now it showes me all the dict content, and not the part thats after the conditions
[20:56] <krnekhelesh> @ to the entire design team, I have a question regarding the launcher behavior
[20:57] <krnekhelesh> when you drag a item to the trash icon, is the launcher supposed to hide after the action even if the mouse is on top of the launcer?
[20:57] <krnekhelesh> launcher*
[20:58] <krnekhelesh> om26er?
[21:00] <om26er> krnekhelesh, just tried, feels like a bug to me
[21:00] <krnekhelesh> but when you launch an app, the launcher hides after you press the icon
[21:01] <krnekhelesh> so I thought when you move an item to the trash, it is similar behavior for the launcher to hide after the action is complete
[21:01] <gotwig_> mhall119: I think there is no other way, as caching recipe icons - I read that here in IRC channel
[21:02] <gotwig_> gord: will there be other ways to use icons, as only per URL ?
[21:03] <krnekhelesh> om26er, check out this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/972361
[21:03] <krnekhelesh> initially i thought it was not a bug
[21:04] <om26er> krnekhelesh, we could ask design people in here tomorrow. like the time when they are not cooking dinner ;-)
[21:05] <om26er> design team is in UK so we can ask John tomorrow about the bug
[21:05] <krnekhelesh> om26er, ok :)
[21:06] <gotwig_> the whole design team is in the UK :X ?