[05:49] <ochosi> morning everyone
[05:49] <ochosi> astraljava: what window-borders thingy were you referring to?
[06:02] <Unit193> Howdy, ochosi.
[06:02] <Unit193> Resize was small (I think)
[06:08] <ochosi> hey Unit193
[06:08] <ochosi> hmm, you mean the window-borders are too thin?
[06:09] <ochosi> this is a recurring request, we should seriously publish that article on window-resizing in xubuntu...
[06:09] <ochosi> knome: ^
[07:15] <knome> ochosi, true. or just add that to the Top 10 FAQ
[07:15] <knome> (the new one)
[07:16] <ochosi> mhm
[07:17] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/countdown/
[07:17] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/countdown/?alt=w
[07:17] <ochosi> nice
[07:17] <ochosi> btw, this is exactly the kind of replacement (the circle) for the progressbar that i'd wish to have for plymouth
[07:18] <knome> we're pushing one more change to fight the caching, then i'll publish a blog article
[07:18] <knome> heh, yeah...
[07:18] <ochosi> yup, i like it
[07:18] <knome> mm-hmm, i know this is what you wanted ;)
[07:19] <knome> but that's done in inkscape
[07:19] <knome> and batch-exporting
[07:20] <ochosi> yeah, i have no clue how animations work in plymouth
[07:22] <knome> per the work item tracking, we have only one item to do before precise is "ready" :]
[07:22] <knome> but of course, that's not the complete truth
[07:22] <ochosi> yup, saw that :)
[07:22] <ochosi> well, there are always bugs
[07:23] <knome> we should do better tracking of important bugs in the Q cycle
[07:23] <ochosi> dunno, i think i did that for most of my artwork-bugs
[07:23] <knome> eg just add an "general improvements" blueprint and link all bugs we're going to fix to that
[07:23] <ochosi> at least towards the end of the cycle i slowly figured that out
[07:23] <ochosi> mhm
[07:23] <ochosi> yeah, good idea
[07:24] <knome> yeah, i've tried to attach any bugs to blueprints that really belong to any
[07:24] <ochosi> also another one for release-critical bugs maybe
[07:24] <knome> but eg. the muting thing was just a bugfix
[07:24] <knome> yeah, not a bad idea
[07:24] <knome> that would also help us know what we are working on
[07:24] <knome> and
[07:24] <knome> write team reports (which we really didn't do this cycle)
[07:24] <knome> and
[07:25] <knome> write release notes
[07:26] <ochosi> yeah, well all kinds of reports (==paperwork) consume a lot of time
[07:26] <Unit193> knome: Didn't you also change the branding on LP?
[07:26] <ochosi> so that makes for less time to get things done
[07:27] <ochosi> Unit193: did you ever get around to checking out bluebird-gtk3 in precise?
[07:27] <knome> Unit193, it's WIP
[07:27] <Unit193> ochosi: Did a little, and just hit it in Oneiric.
[07:27] <Unit193> Anything to check?
[07:28] <ochosi> not sure it'll work very well in oneiric
[07:28] <ochosi> yeah, everything :)
[07:28] <knome> ochosi, sure, but since we have all the tools for that (and really, what is easier than link a bug to a blueprint in LP?) we should use them
[07:28] <knome> we can even mark milestones for work items ...
[07:28] <knome> eg. beta-1
[07:29] <ochosi> well we can try to do that for q
[07:29] <ochosi> but it'd have to start very strictly for everyone
[07:29] <knome> or whatever that was, it was not that easy :P
[07:29] <knome> imo it's not a problem to do it well in the beginning
[07:29] <knome> that's where most of the stuff is done now too
[07:30] <knome> i mean, yeah, we added more than 25 new work items while working on precise, but not all at the same time
[07:30] <ochosi> i think i never did any of that, not even in the beginning of the P cycle :)
[07:30] <ochosi> (i'm talking about team-reports)
[07:30] <knome> if we get the bulk of 50 fixed, it's no problem to manually set those for the rest 25
[07:30] <knome> even if it was me doing that
[07:31] <knome> the thing that people (mostly micahg and mrpouit) must take care is to link the bugs they are working on to one blueprint
[07:31] <knome> and while that is an extra task, it also helps others to help them, in testing or so
[07:31] <ochosi> mhm
[07:33] <ochosi> btw, i have one bug that i'm stuck with
[07:33] <ochosi> don't really know how to precede (unless installing unity etc is an option)
[07:33] <ochosi> it's Bug #956147
[07:34] <knome> huh
[07:34] <ochosi> highly annoying, can't see this fixed anywhere and i'm starting to suspect it's a bug of the gtk2 version of the messaging indicator
[07:34] <ochosi> (unity is using the gtk3 version obviously)
[07:35] <ochosi> btw, look at them nice blurry icons before the icon-theme upgrade: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04032012-093503am.php
[07:36] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc is a very sad team :(
[07:36] <ochosi> yes, in many respects
[07:38] <ochosi> after the icon-theme upgrade: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04032012-093817am.php
[07:39] <Unit193> Aye, much better. (But easier to tell in the day)
[07:42] <knome> :)
[07:42] <ochosi> there are a few apps with hardcoded icons
[07:42] <ochosi> unfortunately there is nothing we can do about them
[07:42] <knome> cody-somerville, hey? i've sent you two emails, could you please have a look at them? thanks.
[07:42] <ochosi> (in fact you can see their problems already in oneiric)
[07:43] <knome> what are those apps? does it make sense to try to get the changes upstream?
[07:43] <ochosi> xfce4-dict,synaptic,catfish
[07:44] <ochosi> all three are candidates for deprecation imo
[07:44] <knome> btw, i've created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/Q
[07:44] <ochosi> (at least the latter two should be replaced by better – yet to find – alternatives)
[07:45] <micahg> ochosi: getting changes in synaptic should be fairly easy (mvo is the maintainer)
[07:45] <ochosi> also thunar has 48px folder-icons hardcoded
[07:45] <ochosi> micahg: hm ok, in that case a patch for not using the hardcoded appicon would be needed
[07:46] <ochosi> micahg: also, i suspect you can't help me with the indicator-messages bug linked to above..? (it's not really a thunderbird issue i suspect, rather a messaging-menu problem)
[07:46] <knome> micahg, what do you think of "tracking" bugs related to xubuntu in blueprints for Q? sounds sensible/doable?
[07:47] <micahg> ochosi: I don't see those icons on my Xubuntu system with thunderbird closed or on my Ubuntu system with it open
[07:47] <micahg> knome: not until there's work to be done
[07:47] <knome> micahg, heh, of course not NOW, but during the Q cycle :)
[07:48] <ochosi> micahg: yes, when tb is closed there are no icons. with "ubuntu system" i suspect you mean the gtk3 version of the messaging-menu?
[07:48] <micahg> knome: tracking bugs are nice to track stuff that affects multiple people or needs notification to package watchers
[07:48] <micahg> s/people/packages/
[07:48] <knome> mrpouit, ^ 
[07:48] <micahg> ochosi: I suppose it is
[07:48] <knome> micahg, i mean tracking bugs in the sense that we will know by the end of the cycle what we've done
[07:49] <micahg> ochosi: you filed the bug saying that the icons are missing when open
[07:50] <ochosi> micahg: yes, only when thunderbird is open (the bug was filed by someone else, i just commented)
[07:50] <micahg> ochosi: I just said the icons aren't there when it's closed as well 
[07:51] <micahg> so seemingly these actions don't have icons
[07:51] <ochosi> micahg: yes, but when it's closed there is no "broken image/icon" icon
[07:51] <micahg> ah, I see now :)
[07:52] <ochosi> ok :)
[07:52] <micahg> yeah, I'd suggest mirroring the GTK3 behaviour
[07:52] <ochosi> hmm, so a bug against the indicator-messages-gtk2 version is needed then?
[07:52] <micahg> same source :)
[07:52] <micahg> idk where the bugs is
[07:52] <micahg> it might be theme based, no idea
[07:53] <ochosi> problem is: apart from us, no-one uses the gtk2 version of the indicators anymore
[07:53] <micahg> knome: that's what blueprints are for ;)
[07:53] <micahg> and the WI tracker
[07:53] <knome> micahg, exactly. so do you think it's sensible to ask you to do that in Q? ;)
[07:53] <knome> micahg, not to say you did badly this cycle, but...
[07:53] <micahg> ochosi: mythbuntu, Ubuntu Studio
[07:54] <micahg> knome: do what?
[07:54] <knome> micahg, heh, track the bugs in blueprints ;)
[07:54] <micahg> knome: I took no WI for Xubuntu aside from the TB icon issue which chrisccoulson ended up fixing
[07:54] <knome> micahg, this cycle we have at least a few bugs that aren't tracked in blueprints
[07:54] <knome> micahg, ok :)
[07:54] <micahg> knome: that's not the point of blueprints either
[07:54] <ochosi> micahg: ok, so filing a bugreport against indicator-messages it is then
[07:55] <knome> micahg, as i said, i'm not talking about "all bugs"
[07:56] <micahg> knome: idk if "work done" as # of bugs matters, you can link blueprints to bugs if they're relevant, I wouldn't go beyond that in connecting the two thuogh
[07:56] <micahg> getting the burndown chart to the end by the end of the release is what you're aiming for
[07:56] <knome> micahg, well, what about release-critical bugs?
[07:57] <knome> micahg, i mean, is there some place to track those then?
[07:57] <micahg> knome: yeah, ask skaet
[07:57] <knome> eh ;)
[07:57] <knome> skaet, ^ 
[08:39] <knome> micahg, mrpouit: read the mail on xubuntu-devel about xubuntu-desktop dependencies being *installed* if user removed them before?
[08:39] <knome> is this technically possible, since he shouldn't have xubuntu-desktop...
[08:40] <mrpouit> it's not deps
[08:40] <mrpouit> probably recommends
[08:40] <ochosi> mrpouit: what did you say was the name of the clipman panel-icon again?
[08:41] <mrpouit> if you want to control things, you have to disable autoinstallation of recommended packages
[08:41] <mrpouit> ochosi: no idea right now :P
[08:41] <ochosi> ok :)
[08:44] <knome> mrpouit, well yeah, but is it possible that the upgrade *added* the abiword package?
[08:44] <knome> mrpouit, i mean, considering he had removed that before, and considering he shouldn't have xubuntu-desktop package either
[08:44] <knome> mrpouit, or are the repositories going bollocks, tiny packages pulling in big stuff (think: alacarte pulls in unity and compiz)
[09:40] <astraljava> mrpouit: What are your thoughts on the abiword translations? I'm about to respond to the Debian maintainer that the dates requested for svn snapshot would be around 31st of March - 1st of April, cause that's when Pjotr pestered the devs, and apparently got his wishes fulfilled. But it feels like too short a time for testing a new snapshot, don't you think? Should I just create a debdiff out of po/
[09:40] <astraljava> directory?
[09:47] <mrpouit> unless it's bugfix only, a new snapshot at this point isn't really nice
[09:48] <astraljava> mrpouit: Yes, that's why the Debian maintainer wanted the date, to make sure what changes would there be.
[09:49] <astraljava> ochosi: If you have such an article somewhere, please post it. Way too thin borders have been an issue for two releases now. I think.
[09:49] <ochosi> astraljava: well, the resize-grip was dropped from the gtk2-patches by ubuntu
[09:49] <ochosi> astraljava: the other thing is alt+right-click+drag
[09:50] <astraljava> ochosi: Yeah, knome kindly let me know about it the other day. I just have to keep it mind, still am not used to it. :)
[09:51] <ochosi> astraljava: warning disclaimer: as soon as you are it's hard to go back!
[09:51] <astraljava> Most likely.
[09:52] <knome> astraljava, what's the status for the apartment?
[09:53] <astraljava> Just contacting agents, asking around. One friend is going to look at a duplex next to Iso Omena.
[09:53] <astraljava> ...today.
[09:58] <knome> aha :)
[09:58] <knome> so nothing from the one you found?
[11:08] <astraljava> No, not yet. It doesn't have a sauna, so I'm exploring my options with the ones that do. Surprisingly, there are a few.
[11:08] <astraljava> And what about yours?
[11:38] <astraljava> mrpouit: Another topic (while I'm still waiting to hear your opinion about the debdiffing po/ directory); is there any point in adding near replica patches for the mixer change for Studio? Would you know a better way to do it? We're wanting the same change that you did, ie. choose pavucontrol over xfce4-mixer.
[11:58] <mrpouit> astraljava: yeah, a diff of the po/ dir is okay (although you may want to check that they haven't removed strings from the pot file)
[11:59] <mrpouit> astraljava: mmh, for the mixer, which patches in particular?
[11:59] <astraljava> mrpouit: Ok, I think I'm on it, as I'm expecting the Debian maintainer to turn down that new snapshots.
[12:00] <astraljava> mrpouit: indicator-sound, and xfce4-volumed.
[12:00] <astraljava> mrpouit: There are patches for xubuntu on both of them, but the changes for US would be so small, it feels like a waste. But I do understand that these are different projects, though. :)
[12:01] <mrpouit> astraljava: yeah, that was only a dirty hack to be sure to affect only Xubuntu sessions ;< (if you've a better way, i'll take it).
[12:02] <mrpouit> you could add similar patches for ubuntu-studio, it won't break anything
[12:03] <astraljava> mrpouit: Yeah, I really don't have better methods to do that, so I will duplicate them for Studio at this point, as I don't have much time to play with it. Thanks a lot! You've been a great help, once again. :D
[12:04] <astraljava> mrpouit: Oh, one more thing. Would you like to be CC'ed on the mail correspondence with the Debian maintainer for abiword?
[13:26] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: i added an icon for clipman to the icon-theme, so your bug should be fixed
[13:27] <ochosi> (committed, but not uploaded yet)
[13:27] <leo-unglaub> oh, thanks...i can check tonight when i am at home
[13:27] <ochosi> btw, did you notice the gtk-paste icon also missing somewhere in applications? (e.g. editors)
[13:27] <ochosi> in toolbars or anywhere else
[13:29] <ochosi> because clipman should fall back to using that
[13:29] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: ^
[13:29] <leo-unglaub> ah, okay
[13:32] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: maybe there is a little bit more broken, because in the "nachichtenanzeige" in the bar also some icons are mission
[13:32] <ochosi> which ones?
[13:32] <ochosi> you mean indicator-messages? (the envelope-icon)
[13:32] <leo-unglaub> i think the thunderbird new messages and addressbook icons
[13:32] <ochosi> yes, there is already a bugreport for that
[13:32] <leo-unglaub> but i am not sure, it's just on my home computer
[13:33] <leo-unglaub> ah, okay
[13:33] <ochosi> not sure i'll be able to fix that somehow, it's most likely a bug in indicator-messages
[13:33] <ochosi> but i agree, it sucks :(
[13:33] <leo-unglaub> sorry i am not so much up to date in the launchpad tracker
[13:33] <leo-unglaub> i hate launchpad
[13:34] <ochosi> yeah, it's sometimes slow and not always easy to use
[14:10] <skaet> knome,  release critical bugs are tracked by milestoning them against 12.04 and assigning them to the precise series. 
[14:11] <skaet> generally only high/critical bugs are considered release critical.   Only use critical for true blockers to the release (ie. we can't work around them and don't have any alternatives)
[14:12] <skaet> micahg, ^ :)
[16:44] <micahg> skaet: I'm aware, knome just wanted to know where they're tracked
[16:44] <skaet> thanks micahg,  fair enough.  :)
[16:44] <micahg> astraljava: we don't even have the latest abiword snapshot ATM and as mrpouit said, it's not nice to include a new one now, I'd suggest cherry picking the translations
[16:45]  * micahg wishes they would do an upstream release already
[17:01] <astraljava> micahg: Yep, I think that was the outcome of our discussion today. I'm preparing a debdiff now.
[17:04] <astraljava> grr... figures, I can't connect to the domain now.
[18:04] <astraljava> mrpouit: Any idea why I can't build xfce4-volumed in precise pbuilder? It fails to satisfy build-depends, libxfconf-0-dev is uninstallable, yet I can install it just fine on host.
[18:12] <astraljava> mrpouit: Sorry, I was just missing universe component.
[18:14] <ochosi> astraljava: i'm wondering when we should start bugging upstream messaging menu guys again about that bug...
[18:16] <astraljava> ochosi: Who would they be?
[18:17] <ochosi> astraljava: well i don't know anymore because i lost my backlog (server went down)
[18:17] <ochosi> i think tedg and kenvandine
[18:17] <ochosi> but they bugged someone else
[18:17] <astraljava> Oh, yeah, them.
[18:17] <ochosi> and i can't remember who
[18:18] <astraljava> Hang on, I'll check.
[18:18] <ochosi> ty
[18:18] <astraljava> larsu
[18:18] <ochosi> k
[18:33] <knome> bug 972402
[18:36] <Unit193> Right, I have to check to see if there is already a feature request on that, but otherwise I love that plugin and already use it rather than Orage.
[18:36] <knome> ochosi, i've subscribed the release teeam to that bug + told them to look at it
[18:37] <ochosi> knome: thanks
[18:37] <knome> np
[18:37] <ochosi> btw, since i lost all my backlog i can't remember what the 3 things were i asked you (one was the bugreport)
[18:37] <knome> is there something that needs verifying on precise?
[18:38] <knome> or, testing
[18:38] <ochosi> with respect to the datetime plugin?
[18:38] <ochosi> i don't think so
[18:38] <ochosi> i mean i tested it in precise
[18:38] <knome> to anything, i'm on wife's laptop
[18:38] <ochosi> it has an ugly border (UIFe no.2)
[18:39] <ochosi> oh yes, the xfpm export please
[18:39] <ochosi> and the 64px window-manager icon :)
[18:39] <knome> uh
[18:39] <ochosi> btw, it's a bit annoying that the video-mime icon isn't centered
[18:39] <ochosi> but i guess there isn't much one can do about that
[18:40] <knome> the 16px?
[18:40] <ochosi> yup
[18:40] <knome> no, unless you introduce some asymmetry
[18:40] <ochosi> yeah, which would probably also suck
[18:40] <knome> yeah, i thought about that
[18:42] <ochosi> i just tried it, doesn't look very nice either...
[18:43] <knome> yeah, i *tried* it too :P
[18:44] <ochosi> off to watch a movie
[18:44] <ochosi> bbl or tomorrow
[18:44] <ochosi> hf everyone
[18:44] <knome> ok, see you and hf
[19:41] <micahg> mrpouit: was there a reason you didn't just sync ristretto?
[19:47] <astraljava> ochosi: Ahh... cripes, bug #883485 still occurs on my machine, even the attempted fix.
[20:00] <mrpouit> micahg: no really good reason (Corsac didn't write '*bugfix* release' though ;-])
[20:02] <knome> mrpouit, 23:01  infinity: Like I said, I just acked the FFe one, just do your thing and close them all as you upload.
[20:02] <knome> mrpouit, re: bug 972402
[20:21] <mrpouit> eh, Pjotr was right, so many new/fixed translations in xfpm 1.0.11
[20:26] <mrpouit> (new translations: ar, bg, hr, is, ko, lt, nn, pl, te, zh_TW)
[20:26] <mrpouit> wow ;>
[20:26] <knome> :)=
[20:27] <knome> mrpouit, what did you say about being late in the cycle and not getting an except?
[20:27] <knome> :P
[20:28] <mrpouit> yeah, but the exception was granted by an Xfce user
[20:28] <mrpouit> that's cheating :P
[20:28] <knome> :P
[20:28] <knome> i didn't specifically ask HIM to do it, so it's not
[20:31] <ScottL> pleia2, would you have a few minutes to explain some web site stuff to me?
[20:31] <knome> pleia2, ^ apache configuration, he means
[20:31] <ScottL> (well take it into another channel if she has time)
[20:32] <knome> unless it takes hours, i don't care if it's here either
[20:32] <knome> (and there's no reason why it should)
[20:33] <pleia2> ScottL: usually yes, but not today :( (just got home from a 2 hour appointment outside of work, now have tons of work to do before another appointment in 4 hours
[20:35] <ScottL> no problem, it's certainly not critical....just irritating :P
[21:01] <mrpouit> so, I released lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.1.5 (the only change is the reinclusion of all translations from oneiric)
[21:47] <ochosi> knome: thanks for pushing datetime through
[21:47] <knome> np
[21:47] <ochosi> astraljava: that sucks :(
[21:47] <ochosi> astraljava: have you tried to debug it?
[21:48] <ochosi> knome: what about my other requests? :}
[21:48] <knome> errh, i'll look at them tomorrow, when i'm on desktop
[21:49] <ochosi> hmm, ok
[21:49] <ochosi> you'll have to push them yourself then, i'm not sure i'll be around tomorrow
[21:49] <ochosi> (which isn't a real problem though)
[21:49] <astraljava> ochosi: No, not yet. But it doesn't work on neither my laptop (plain Xubuntu) nor my desktop (Studio install).
[21:50] <knome> ochosi, push to where?
[21:50] <knome> :P
[21:50] <ochosi> knome: to elementary-xfce@github?
[21:50] <astraljava> ...where the sun doesn't shine...
[21:50] <ochosi> knome: i guess you know in which folders to put the icons
[21:50] <knome> ochosi, actually i'm so unfocused now so i don't
[21:51] <ochosi> astraljava: hmm, that's kinda worrying, i was hoping this was fixed once and for all. was it a fresh install of xubuntu/studio or did you incrementally upgrade?
[21:51] <knome> if we don't need to get it in tomorrow, we can look at it later too
[21:51] <ochosi> knome: xfpm go into elementary-xfce/panel/22, window-manager goes into elementary-xfce/apps/64
[21:51] <ochosi> well, that's for mrpouit to decide
[21:52] <ochosi> (why did you drop that underline, mrpouit?)
[21:52] <knome> meh :P
[21:52] <knome> astraljava, yeah, i imagined so.
[21:52] <ochosi> ty
[21:53] <knome> astraljava, however, i'm not going to use similar procedures to yours... :P
[21:53] <knome> mr_pouit, so, you're just lurking?
[21:54] <mr_pouit> :3
[21:54] <ochosi> the old trickster!
[21:54] <mr_pouit> (currently adding xfce4-datetime-plugin to the seeds)
[21:54] <ochosi> nice
[21:54] <knome> hehe
[21:54] <knome> mr_pouit, do you need the new icons tomorrow?
[21:55] <ochosi> knome: btw, i think i'll add ooffice/libreoffice icons as well, they look rather badly scaled
[21:55] <mr_pouit> I didn't upload xubuntu-artwork tonight, so yeah
[21:55] <ochosi> (even though they're not part of the default install)
[21:55] <knome> bleh
[21:55] <knome> i'll look at it tomorrow then
[21:55] <ochosi> mr_pouit: you didn't forget about thunar?
[21:56] <mr_pouit> no, I didn't, I keep it for tomorrow
[21:56] <ochosi> ok, ty
[21:56] <knome> ochosi, please do
[21:56] <knome> what's with the icon changes btw?
[21:56] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i just wanted to say it now, because i probably won't be able to remind you tomorrow ;)
[21:56] <ochosi> knome: ?
[21:56] <knome> are they considered bugfixes, or do we have a FFe ?
[21:57] <mr_pouit> blurry -> not blurry, so I consider them as bugfixes yeah
[21:57] <knome> k
[21:57] <ochosi> yes, let's just not talk about that too loudly :)
[21:57] <knome> let's hope the release team members do that too ;)
[21:57] <ochosi> hush, release-team members!
[21:57] <knome> stgraber is soon going to be one!!
[21:57] <mr_pouit> (I'm speaking about the tabwin icons, heh)
[21:57] <ochosi> that can only be good for us
[21:58] <knome> so we will have a contact person to harrass
[21:58] <mr_pouit> (anything else probably needs a ffe ;>)
[21:58] <knome> exactly
[21:58] <knome> not that things have been too bad lately anyway
[21:58] <ochosi> oh noes, libreoffice uses completely stupid app-icons :(
[21:58] <ochosi> seemingly some "new document" icons
[21:58] <knome> haha
[21:59] <ochosi> knome: i wouldn't laugh if i were you, cause that means that i'll probably not be able to fix it
[21:59] <knome> ;)
[21:59] <knome> as i said, i'm tired of the P cycle
[22:04] <ochosi> i think libreoffice uses the (included) humanity-icon for new-document, at least i can't find it anywhere
[22:04]  * ochosi wonders what happens when that icon-theme gets uninstalled
[22:07] <micahg> knome: pesky precision perniciously prodding?
[22:07] <knome> micahg, ;)
[22:09] <ochosi> what's wrong with libreoffice?
[22:10] <ochosi> (part of) the answer is: an icon theme for it contains more than 3000 icons
[22:10] <knome> what's not wrong with libreoffice?
[22:10] <ochosi> and icons have descriptive names as: "sc26049.png"
[22:10] <knome> hehe
[22:10] <ochosi> and "sc26050.png"
[22:10] <knome> i'm sure they are *planning* to write documentation for that
[22:10] <ochosi> (the first one is "=", the second one is "x")
[22:11] <ochosi> you mean because the have a "document foundation"?
[22:11] <ochosi> this is really ridiculous
[22:11] <ochosi> not even any symlinks, no gtk-stock icons
[22:11] <ochosi> even though there are icons like "sc_editdoc"
[22:12] <ochosi> (which is exactly the edit icon)
[22:14] <ochosi> lx03248.png - lx03251.png are the icons we'd need to add hires ones for
[22:14] <ochosi> :)
[22:15] <knome> ...
[22:17] <knome> i'm off to bed. i'll read the backlog tomorrow, and try to work on the requested icon stuff
[22:17] <knome> see you all
[22:17] <ochosi> ok, see you!
[22:31] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i guess we're both a bit too tired now to finish off the appicons
[22:32] <ochosi> there aren't too many left anyway, i'd say for the tabwin (something that's not even used by everyone and all the time) the status quo is ok. maybe we can backport fixes later if people complain (icons are not exactly hard to test or very critical in terms of producing terrible crashes)
[22:45] <ochosi> ok fixed a few more, but that's it for now
[22:58] <ochosi> ok, obviously that was a lie, i fixed two more things
[23:00] <scott-upstairs> pleia2, is there someone you might suggestion i can talk to about the apache config
[23:00] <scott-upstairs> ?
[23:01] <pleia2> scott-upstairs: I have a few minutes now if you need :)
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> oh, good
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> i have a VPS with a single IP
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> i want to host two different "websites" from there
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> i have registered two names
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> 1. fossmusicproject.org
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> 2. massivedynamicnetcast.org
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> i have having trouble getting it all to play nice
[23:02] <pleia2> ah, virtualhosts can be tricky
[23:03] <scott-upstairs> i would like fossmusicproject.org to ideally go to /var/www/index.hmtl
[23:03] <scott-upstairs> and massivedynamicnetcast.org to go to /var/www/mdn/index.html
[23:03] <scott-upstairs> right now, i've done something horribly wrong i fear and massivedynamicnetcast.org keeps giving me an error from goodl through
[23:04] <scott-upstairs> s/goodl/google
[23:04] <pleia2> do you have separate files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ for them?
[23:04] <scott-upstairs> at this point i don't even have wordpress installed, just made specific index.html to make sure things are getting directed correctly
[23:04] <scott-upstairs> pleia2, i did and can enable them again
[23:04] <pleia2> yeah, that's the best way to do it
[23:05] <pleia2> can you paste an example of one of them somewhere?
[23:05] <pleia2> (paste.ubuntu.com is fine)
[23:06] <scott-upstairs> is there a way to select all in vi
[23:07] <scott-upstairs> or nano
[23:07] <pleia2> not that will easily copy to the cli clipboard
[23:07] <pleia2> err gui
[23:07] <Unit193> scott-upstairs: You should be able to cat $file |pastebinit if you have that installed.
[23:08] <scott-upstairs> Unit193, i cat'd the file in terminal and copied :)  thanks
[23:08] <Unit193> That'll work as well.
[23:09] <scott-upstairs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/913831/
[23:09] <scott-upstairs> that is for MDN
[23:09] <pleia2> scott-upstairs: ok, pastebin your /etc/apache2/ports.conf too, please
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> # If you just change the port or add more ports here, you will likely also
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> # have to change the VirtualHost statement in
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> # /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> # This is also true if you have upgraded from before 2.2.9-3 (i.e. from
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> # Debian etch). See /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/NEWS.Debian.gz and
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> # README.Debian.gz
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> NameVirtualHost *:80
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> Listen 80
[23:10] <scott-upstairs> <IfModule mod_ssl.c>
[23:10] <scott-upstairs>     # If you add NameVirtualHost *:443 here, you will also have to change
[23:10] <scott-upstairs>     # the VirtualHost statement in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl
[23:10] <scott-upstairs>     # to <VirtualHost *:443>
[23:10] <scott-upstairs>     # Server Name Indication for SSL named virtual hosts is currently not
[23:11] <scott-upstairs>     # supported by MSIE on Windows XP.
[23:11] <scott-upstairs>     Listen 443
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[23:11] <scott-upstairs> <IfModule mod_gnutls.c>
[23:11] <scott-upstairs>     Listen 443
[23:11] <pleia2> ok, in both files you can change the part where you say <VirtualHost massivedynamicnetcast.org:80> to <VirtualHost *:80>
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[23:11] <scott-upstairs> crap...sorry,thought i grabbed link
[23:11] <scott-upstairs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/913833/
[23:12] <scott-upstairs> i had that earlier and was trying this, i will change it back
[23:12] <pleia2> is there any reason you want one in /var/www/ and one in /var/www/mdn? rather than one in /var/www/fmp or something? you'll need to do some tricky things to get the former to work
[23:13] <scott-upstairs> knome was suggesting this as well
[23:13] <pleia2> since you'll need to exclude everything in /mdn from your fmp site
[23:13] <scott-upstairs> no particluar reason, i thought it would easier actually :P
[23:13] <pleia2> I highly suggest separating the two then
[23:13] <scott-upstairs> i shall do that
[23:15] <scott-upstairs> is there something goofy that i might have done to get massivedynamicnetcast.org to not work?
[23:15] <scott-upstairs> google asked if i wanted to "Redirect the naked domain (http://massivedynamicnetcast.org) to http://www.massivedynamicnetcast.org"
[23:15] <scott-upstairs> i said yes
[23:16] <scott-upstairs> i have the dns set for host name: @   to ip: 64.76.234.193 as well
[23:16] <scott-upstairs> but now i get a google error
[23:16] <scott-upstairs> not a "this is your isp and we can't find the site you are looking for"
[23:16] <pleia2> the error leads me to believe /var/www/mdn doesn't exist
[23:18] <pleia2> how is google involved with this hosting?
[23:18] <scott-upstairs> pleia2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/913843/
[23:18] <scott-upstairs> i purchased the domain through google and google apps
[23:18] <pleia2> ah
[23:18] <scott-upstairs> i like being able to have the email attached to it
[23:19] <pleia2> massivedynamicnetcast.org DNS is pointing to lots of google IPs, none of which are 64.76.234.193
[23:19] <pleia2> checked by doing: host www.massivedynamicnetcast.org
[23:20] <scott-upstairs> oooh, IP should be: 94.76.234.193
[23:20] <scott-upstairs> sorry
[23:20] <pleia2> ok, it looks like in addition to 94.76.234.193 you have 4 other IPs in there too
[23:20] <scott-upstairs> https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/massivedynamicnetcast.org/SetupARecordInstructions
[23:21] <scott-upstairs> that tells about the four others, which were there already when i added my ip
[23:21]  * scott-upstairs is presuming you can access that page
[23:21] <pleia2> yep
[23:22] <pleia2> I put this in my /etc/hosts file: 94.76.234.193   massivedynamicnetcast.org
[23:22] <pleia2> and it works fine
[23:22] <pleia2> otherwise it's trying to go to all these other A records, which are pointing at google and not set up
[23:22] <scott-upstairs> okay, should i get rid of them in my dns then?
[23:22] <pleia2> yeah
[23:22] <scott-upstairs> roger that
[23:22] <pleia2> so the only A record you want is the 94. one
[23:23] <scott-upstairs> and i can handle the alias, i.e. www.foo.org, with the mdn and fpm files, correct?
[23:23] <scott-upstairs> i figured it was a problem with google since their error message kept coming up
[23:23] <pleia2> yeah
[23:24] <scott-upstairs> super cool, pleia2 i am putting you officially in my book of people who rock
[23:24] <pleia2> lol
[23:24] <pleia2> thanks
[23:24] <scott-upstairs> hehe, thank YOU
[23:26] <Unit193> massivedynamicnetcast.org. 1800INA94.76.234.193
[23:26] <Unit193> scott-upstairs: Nice IP!
[23:27] <Unit193> (And do I get in the idiot book??)
[23:29] <scott-upstairs> what is the world is that IP?
[23:30] <Unit193> Tab didn't transfer.
[23:30] <Unit193> Last 3 numbers.
[23:48] <scott-upstairs> i'm now getting both host names to their respective index.html's :)  thanks again pleia2 !
[23:48] <pleia2> scott-upstairs: yay! 
[23:48] <pleia2> you're welcome :)
[23:49] <scott-upstairs> now i get to move back to installing wordpress again :P