[00:06] <meerkats> bad idea... now I cannot play media
[00:07] <Unit193> You did  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop? Try restricted extras too.
[00:10] <meerkats> thx, going for xubuntu restricted extras
[00:10] <meerkats> I guess I shouldnt erase ubuntu restricted...
[00:10] <Unit193> Na, it's fine.
[00:11] <meerkats> but im afraid those extras are needed by some unidentifiable ubuntu package and then... back to install
[00:12] <meerkats> is it just me or it is installing exactly the same files I got rid of with the large lubuntu command?
[00:12] <miarf> sounds unlikely that those extras would be needed by any random package
[00:12] <miarf> they're just some mp3, java plugin and flash stuff
[00:13] <meerkats> aaaa... sweet sound of musice
[00:13] <meerkats> -e
[00:13] <miarf> actually the java plugin might not be a part of that package anyway
[00:14] <meerkats> are you sure xubuntu kubunt and ubuntu restricted extras aint exaclt the same? the 3 are 56 files
[00:14] <meerkats> crap, that version number, disregard
[00:33] <meerkats> I want to make a backup of mu home folder into an external HDD, if I copy paste, will that copy my hidden files too?
[00:33] <meerkats> my
[00:34] <holstein> you can show the hidden files.. you can try with the terminal.. theres also grsync with a GUI
[00:35] <miarf> wouldn't copy indeed copy hidden files as well
[00:35] <Unit193> Depends if you only do a ctrl+a ctrl+c in your home, then it wouldn't as you didn't select them.
[00:35] <holstein> i would copy, and look and see if they are there
[00:36] <miarf> cp -r would cut it probably
[00:36] <meerkats> what if I ctrl+h and ctrl+c?
[00:36] <miarf> and what holstein said
[00:36] <meerkats> holstein, bist du deutsch?
[00:38] <holstein> im in america and speak english exclusively if thats what you are getting at
[00:38] <meerkats> ok
[00:39] <miarf> maybe mr meerkats was fooled by your germanic nickname
[00:39] <meerkats> lol
[00:39] <meerkats> isnt that a kind of cow too?
[00:39] <holstein> its a german name... and a dairy cow
[00:40] <miarf> isn't it also a brand of international pale lager
[00:40] <holstein> close... thats holsten i believe
[01:34] <hydester> i'm trying to do the following example from https://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/man.html for the parallel command, which doesn't appear to do anything on ubuntu (lucid or oneiric): parallel "zcat {} | bzip2 >{.}.bz2 && rm {}" ::: *.gz
[02:37] <nabukadnezar43> is there a workaround for the aptd bug?
[02:37] <nabukadnezar43> nevermind wrong channel :)
[02:37] <nabukadnezar43> oh, no wait we don't have a +1 channel like ubuntu
[02:38] <Unit193> Same one, actually.
[02:38] <nabukadnezar43> actually the bug is same too
[02:38] <nabukadnezar43> regardless of the DE
[02:41] <nabukadnezar43> is there a way to enable aero snap like behaviour for xfwm?
[02:41] <miarf> i was under the impression that it has that by default
[02:41] <nabukadnezar43> not really
[02:41] <Unit193> It is here... Just doesn't auto max, and that's good.
[02:42] <nabukadnezar43> well i'm kind of used to it
[02:43] <nabukadnezar43> move to top to maximize, move left/right to fill the left/right half of the screen
[02:43] <nabukadnezar43> the second one is what i really like
[02:43] <nabukadnezar43> since i have a 23" screen
[02:43] <nabukadnezar43> Unit193: how do i enable it? i didn't find any options for enabling it
[02:44] <Unit193> That's different than what I was thinking.
[02:44] <nabukadnezar43> latest gnome and kde have that option
[02:45] <nabukadnezar43> you can even enable it for openbox
[02:45] <nabukadnezar43> with some configuration
[02:57] <nabukadnezar43> looks like there's a moded xfwm for aero snap
[02:57] <nabukadnezar43> xfwm4-tiling
[03:16] <chelz> good to know, was looking for something like that myself
[10:43] <nabukadnezar43> i cannot communicate with serial ports (open, send and receive bytes) without sudo
[10:43] <nabukadnezar43> how can i solve this?
[10:44] <nabukadnezar43> i did gpasswd -a nabukadnezar43 uucp
[10:44] <nabukadnezar43> but it doesn't work
[10:49] <viktor> Hello to all! Can someone look at the questions i posted at launchpad?
[10:49] <viktor> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+question/192437
[10:50] <viktor> it is about session management
[10:58] <gry> Hi, I installed alltray 0.71b; running 'alltray' and asking it to hide an terminal instance hides it in a way so clicking the tray icon doesn't unhide it; using 'alltray xfce4-terminal' from commandline just opens a new terminal window without any tray icon at all. how do I troubleshoot this?
[11:44] <hannes_> hi
[11:44] <hannes_> i've got a problem with display an application on a remote screen
[11:45] <hannes_> i use a xubunt 11.10 on the remote machine, where i want to display the app. and a 10.10 lts where the app is launched (via ssh from the remote pc)
[11:46] <hannes_> if i start eclipse everything works fine and the app. starts. but if i use the ssh -X command it does not. can annyone help me with that?
[11:50] <hannes_> hello?
[12:12] <borbit> Hello, can anyone help me set up the internet connection for my old xubuntu computer. I want to use it as a livingroom internet computer. Browsing is really all i need. Got the machine to work (had to remove the dust to get it to run lol). It has xubuntu and xfce 4 as interface i think. There is no taskbar everything goes to the left mouse click menu on the desktop. But that's oke, all i need
[12:12] <borbit> is to start firefox. I connectecd the pc to the router with a ethernet cable. Put the cable in my win7 laptop, worked right away. On the xubuntu pc i get server not find in firefox/ chromium. What should i do?
[12:15] <babble> borbit: what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[12:17] <borbit> i dont know
[12:17] <babble> from the Apps (mouse) menu, there should be a Help command.
[12:18] <babble> if you run that, it'll open a web browser and display the help contents, and that will tell you what version you're using
[12:19] <borbit> yes! 9.10
[12:19] <babble> okay, I don't remember exactly what comes installed by default in 9.10, but we'll get it sorted out
[12:19] <babble> make a panel :)
[12:19] <babble> do you know how?
[12:20] <borbit> no i've been trying
[12:20] <babble> open Settings Manager
[12:20] <babble> sec, let me get you an exact menu path for the way you're using it
[12:20] <borbit> i'll manage i think
[12:20] <babble> right click on desktop, for the Applications menu again...
[12:20] <babble> Apps > Settings > Settings Manager
[12:21] <borbit> got it
[12:21] <borbit> i've been in it today but couldn't fing how to put a panel from ther
[12:21] <borbit> there.
[12:21] <babble> in Settings, open the Panel icon
[12:22] <borbit> I don't see it there.
[12:22] <babble> hm.
[12:22] <babble> let's guess that you're missing some pieces
[12:22] <babble> open a terminal
[12:23] <borbit> I have a window called settings editor. There is a list called channels on the side.
[12:23] <babble> you're not in Settings
[12:23] <babble> you're in the settings EDITOR (they're different)
[12:23] <babble> you want the settings *manager*
[12:24] <babble> do you see Settings Manager in Apps > Settings > Settings Manager?
[12:24] <borbit> Yes hold on.
[12:26] <borbit> I found it. But if I click Panel nothing happens. The other buttons like a\Appearance, Mouse or Window Manager send me to a next screen. When I click Panel nothing happens!
[12:27] <babble> let's assume you're missing some pieces, then
[12:27] <babble> open a terminal
[12:27] <borbit> done
[12:27] <babble> sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel
[12:29] <borbit> looks like i forgot the root password
[12:29] <babble> you don't need root :)
[12:29] <babble> use your password
[12:29] <borbit> i don't know ether.
[12:29] <babble> (if you're allowed to sudo, that will let you run things as root with your password.)
[12:29] <babble> well, you're likely stuck.
[12:30] <babble> you have to be able to sudo one way or the other to install anything
[12:30] <babble> in this case, you could boot from a livecd and reset your user passwords from there, BUT...
[12:30] <borbit> In my last house a house mate fixed it from ubuntu to this, i doesn't aks a password if you start it up
[12:31] <babble> with 9.10 being so long in the tooth at this point, it may make sense to just do a new xubuntu install
[12:31] <babble> he set it up to log in without asking for your password, and you've now forgotten it
[12:32] <borbit> thanx i will start back up and make a new install
[12:32] <borbit> can i install ubuntu from xubuntu?
[12:33] <babble> you can, but you'll need to download a livecd and do it from there.
[12:33] <babble> if you knew your passwords you could do it from the desktop, but since you don't...
[12:40] <borbit> i need to format my hard drive cause it only works with win7 now. Can i use ntfs for xubuntu 9.10 or do i need fat32?
[12:40] <babble> borbit: you don't need to completely reformat your drive. the installer will walk you through setting up a second partition to install on, alongside windows, if you want to have both operating systems.
[12:44] <borbit> would i possible to make the internet Connection?
[12:44] <borbit> even if i don't have the password
[12:48] <babble> yes, but you really really need admin access on that machine for any future updates, etc.
[12:48] <babble> your best bet, I think, is to install a clean copy of Xubuntu, which will have the added advantage of being currently supported.
[12:52] <borbit> true, it's gonne take's hours to back up. I'll be back later if any further assistence is needed. Thanx alot!
[13:21] <borbit> can i use ntfs for external drive in xubuntu 9.10?
[13:21] <borbit> or do i have to use exFat?
[13:22] <borbit> i'm formating the drive in win7 pc
[13:23] <baizon> it should work :)
[13:50] <Sysi> exfat doesn't work with linux, ntfs does
[13:50] <Sysi> but you should use supported release, 9.10 is EOL
[14:09] <Brian_H> I have several applications that go to the "indicator plugin" instead of the notification area, this makes right clicking on the apps impossible because it brings up the menu for the indicator plugin not the settings menu for the app
[14:09] <django> question: i've xubuntu installed, how to install another linux distro ?
[14:10] <Brian_H> I've talked to other people that use xfce not on xubunut and they don't have the issue
[14:10] <django> w/o removing xubuntu ?
[14:11] <ochosi> Brian_H: you can remove either uninstall the respective indicator-* package or simply remove the indicator-plugin from the panel
[14:12] <ochosi> Brian_H: be aware though that ubuntu patches a lot of its apps to work with indicators, only some of them provide sufficient fallback to trayicon
[14:12] <ochosi> Brian_H: btw, indicators work by left-clicking, not right-clicking (as trayicons do)
[14:13] <Brian_H> ochosi: thanks I've figured that out, just doesn't seem consistent :)
[14:13] <ochosi> Brian_H: agreed, but there's not much we (==Xubuntu-devs) can do about that
[14:13] <ochosi> Brian_H: (unless trayicons can be shown in the "indicator-area", which might be possible in the future)
[14:14] <Brian_H> ok cool thanks for the info now I at least have a bit better understanding of the behavior
[14:14] <ochosi> sure, np
[14:17] <Papa-Smurf> ochosi: do you (==Xubuntu-devs) have plans of developing a network-manager app for the desktop?
[14:18] <ochosi> Papa-Smurf: you mean an alternative to nm-applet?
[14:19] <ochosi> (as in: managing connections? or: managing remote filesystems)
[14:19] <Papa-Smurf> ochosi i mean the one to set-up the proxy settings automatically
[14:20] <Papa-Smurf> and remote manager would be cool as well :)
[14:20] <ochosi> i guess the answer to both questions is no :)
[14:20] <ochosi> for remote-fs there is gigolo (and thunar can browse remote fs)
[14:20] <Sysi> (other way round)
[14:21] <ochosi> :)
[14:21] <Papa-Smurf> ah ok
[14:21] <Papa-Smurf> good is to know
[14:21] <ochosi> wrt proxies, i'm not sure, setting them per browser is one way, not sure nm-applet supports setting a system-wide proxy yet
[14:22] <Papa-Smurf> system-wide proxy is a very useful app for people who has to surf through VPNs
[14:22] <Papa-Smurf> one option is to change the environment variables
[14:23] <Papa-Smurf> but it would be nice to have something independent and from the desktop
[14:24] <ochosi> i guess asking for it in nm-applet makes the most sense
[14:24] <ochosi> there are no other "network-settings" in xubuntu atm
[14:25] <Papa-Smurf> i like the xfce philosophy of not going to deep into the systems settings
[14:25] <Papa-Smurf> with gnome you can make your system a mess just changing parameters from the desktop
[14:27] <Papa-Smurf> ochosi,  thanks for your responses anyway :)
[14:34] <ochosi> Papa-Smurf: sure, np
[14:52] <viktor_d> Hello, can anyone help me, please?
[14:53] <miarf> what seems to be the issue
[14:53] <miarf> (not that I know anything)
[14:54] <viktor_d> How to delete saved session? There is no option to do this.
[14:55] <viktor_d> can i safely delete unnecessary sessions by manual editing "xfce4-session-*my name*:0"?
[14:55] <Sysi> you can safely delete entire ~/.cache/sessions
[14:56] <viktor_d> oh, thank you, and i think i found a bug in greeter
[14:56] <viktor_d> If i press "Exit" on session choice screen my touchpad becomes unfit for work, even after i log on.
[14:57] <viktor_d> what d you think? should i post it as a new bug on launchpad?
[14:57] <Sysi> 11.10?
[14:58] <viktor_d> 12.04
[14:58] <viktor_d> latest updates
[14:59] <ochosi> what do you mean by "unfit for work"?
[14:59] <viktor_d> Cursor can be moved only with two fingers and it twitches very often.
[14:59] <ochosi> have you tried to debug the problem a bit?
[15:00] <ochosi> (e.g. looking into /var/log/Xorg.0.log might give some clues if it's an X issue)
[15:00] <ochosi> or: have you managed to fix the problem without rebooting?
[15:01] <viktor_d> well, i'm not so familiar to ubuntu, sorry.
[15:02] <viktor_d> i can try something if you tell how
[15:03] <ochosi> you can open a term and look at the output of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[15:03] <ochosi> ideally compare it before and after logging in to see where the touchpad breaks
[15:03] <ochosi> you can also check other logs in that folder, e.g. dmesg
[15:03] <ochosi> but i'm really no input-debugging expert myself
[15:05] <Sysi> you should try AltGr PrntScrn K when it happens
[15:05] <viktor_d> OK, i'll try to compare logs, maybe i'll find thw sourse of the problem
[15:08] <viktor_d> what should i do, if i'll find the reason of touchpad breaking?
[15:09] <Sysi> tell it in bugrepot
[15:10] <viktor_d> but to what package?
[15:14] <viktor_d> though at first i need to check logs, maybe answer is there
[15:15] <viktor_d> Thank to all, it is important to me that i can talk to you and hear your answers:)
[16:01] <kantoquad> switched my son to Xubuntu as his 10.10 is at end of life. He is on Xubuntu  11.10. Is there a tutorial to add mint menu. I found older ones, but they do not seem to work
[16:02] <kantoquad> he os coming from pinguy, but wanted to keep compiz
[16:18] <fredser> hi
[16:18] <babble> hey fredser :)
[16:18] <fredser> babble, im dexxxtteerrr...
[16:19] <babble> because two days in a row with the same nickname would be the death of you, surely
[16:19] <fredser> I got a thousand broken symlinks pointing to old programs. I assume those are broken now because of the new-old partition thing
[16:19] <babble> no, unless you've done something very unusual.
[16:19] <fredser> oo...
[16:20] <babble> one of the reasons we installed your system cleanly, from the ground up, was specifically to avoid that sort of problem.
[16:20] <babble> what, exactly, is broken?
[16:20] <babble> give me one example.
[16:20] <fredser> cannot tell exactly, mostly gnome packages, but vlc and other media players are broken
[16:20] <fredser> I dont have my laptop here
[16:20] <babble> I can't use a crystal ball, here.
[16:21] <fredser> nothing serious, cause im going to nuke it in 3 weeks
[16:21] <babble> if you installed from the repos, things will automatically set themselves up
[16:21] <fredser> ok
[16:21] <babble> if you've done some bizarre manual installations, I'm going to need more information than "a thousand things are broken."
[16:22] <fredser> im not aware of having done any bizarre installation myself, I've only installed packages from the repo
[16:22] <fredser> ttyl, im going to find an offtopic room to talk about more trivial things
[16:22] <babble> what, *exactly* is broken?
[16:23] <babble> if I can't get more information, there's very little I can do to try and understand what you're having trouble with.
[16:23] <fredser> babble, no need to do that now, I couldnt... gtg nowe
[16:23] <fredser> now*
[16:23] <babble> so you showed up here to lob a complaint and leave?
[16:23] <fredser> but xubuntu loads well
[16:23] <babble> well, okay, I guess.
[16:24] <fredser> no, now I know NOT to delete all those symlinks, but to install the whole apps from repo
[16:24] <fredser> goodbye now
[17:00] <scorpio___> Hello, I've ran into the add ppa confirmation bug. the script I'm using is stuck despite -y option passed. any way around it ?
[19:13] <erinaceus> Hi, I have a triple Monitor setup with Xubuntu, using two graphic cards. Sadly, the third monitor on the second graphic cards displays the xubuntu loading screen with the message "Continue to wait, or Press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery" I cant focus it, so i cant press any keys. I dont think that its an problem with my xorg.conf since it worked fine under ubuntu.
[19:15] <holstein> erinaceus: arandr is the GUI tool i like to use.. might work for you, or help diagnose
[19:16] <erinaceus> holstein: Sadly no, since i cant get the display to be recognized, i cant user arandr or xrandr, they will only recognize the two other monitor
[19:16] <erinaceus> s/user/use
[19:16] <holstein> erinaceus: what version of main ubuntu? i would try that kernel if you can
[19:21] <knome> erinaceus, i suppose trying to reconnect the monitors differently would give you at least a possibility to log in
[19:22] <^rooker> Hello. On one of my computers running Xubuntu 11.10, I get strange random behavior in different corners...
[19:23] <knome> ^rooker, that doesn't make much sense -  what behaviot in what corners?
[19:23] <^rooker> For example: My thunar favorites disappear/reappear every other reboot.
[19:23] <^rooker> Or: The shutdown splash is sometimes shown - sometimes not.
[19:23] <erinaceus> holstein: 3.0.0-17 is my current kernel
[19:23] <knome> ^rooker, i'd run fsck
[19:24] <erinaceus> knome: I can actually log in, the loading window just shows up on the left monitor, the other two work fine as dual monitors
[19:24] <^rooker> I did. I also suspected RAM or HDD - checked both (with memtest and fsck): Everything ok.
[19:24] <knome> ^rooker, try removing ~/.cache
[19:25] <knome> ^rooker, and ~/.config (after backup!!)
[19:25] <^rooker> Sometimes it boots, sometimes it don't. It gets stuck at the boot-splash, overprints it with shell-text - but at random positions in the boot-process.
[19:25] <^rooker> @knome: I already suspected a fishy installation, so I've reinstalled the whole system.
[19:26] <^rooker> It seems like a hardware problem. The computer is new, but the vendor says: "Well, maybe it's a drivers problem with your Linux"
[19:27] <knome> ^rooker, well yeah, that's weird
[19:27] <^rooker> It's also strange that scroll-wheel over the audio indicator won't change the volume - but on all other machines I'm running 11.10 on, it does.
[19:28] <knome> ^rooker, if it's not a production machine and you have time and stuff to play with it, try 12.04
[19:28] <^rooker> I know it's too many "unknowns" in my case, but I thought I'd ask if anyone else experienced e.g. the boot/shutdown splash random behavior?
[19:29] <knome> that probably has something to do with GPU, but since you have other problems too.. it's weird.
[19:29] <^rooker> @knome: I've already tried to boot 12.04 live: The graphics kept flickering (maybe that'd be gone with the proprietary nvidia driver, but with 11.10 I can use nouveau)
[19:29] <knome> have you checked if there is for any reason a new bios for the MB?
[19:29] <^rooker> @knome: Interesting. HOw did you suspect my GPU? (Because I'm doing that, too)
[19:29] <erinaceus_> Sorry guys, I just accidently closed my messenger
[19:30] <knome> ^rooker, problems with booting and especially not showing/showing stuff usually is related to GPU
[19:31] <^rooker> @knome: Thanks. Will check if there's new BIOS (oh god, I'm always afraid to flash. bad memories), and will try the mainboard's GPU (Intel).
[19:31] <knome> ^rooker, mm-hmm :)
[19:31] <^rooker> Just one more thing: Anyone got a hint why the scroll-wheel over audio indicator ain't working?
[19:32] <^rooker> It used to work when I had 11.10 running on the same machine before. Puzzling stuff... ;)
[19:46] <meerkats> odd: I can write accents in synaptic (spanish), but I cannot write accents in xchat or libreoffice, what packages am I missing?
[19:48] <meerkats> textlive-lang-spanish?
[19:49] <^rooker> bye!
[19:50] <meerkats> I can write german correctly...
[19:50] <kantoquad> wie gehts?
[19:51] <meerkats> nicht so gut, ich kann nicht spanische akzente schreiben
[19:51] <kantoquad> you do spanish and german
[19:51] <meerkats> yes
[19:51] <kantoquad> wunderbar
[19:52] <kantoquad> my german is forgotten in childhood
[19:52] <kantoquad> Spanish,  nicht so gut
[19:53] <kantoquad> fortunately, I read enough German still, to follow
[19:54] <meerkats> do you know a way to write accents in libreoffice?
[19:55] <kantoquad> No, I would have to use my friend google to look
[19:55] <meerkats> office productivity suite -- Spanish language package?
[19:58] <kantoquad> someone suggested changing the keyboard
[19:58] <kantoquad> from american standard
[20:00] <kantoquad> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29852
[20:01] <meerkats> already done kantoquad , I can write accents in synaptic, not OUT of synaptic
[20:02] <kantoquad> OH, sorry
[20:07] <meerkats> brb
[20:14] <meerkats> plymouth screen shows letters very big and out of focus, can I fix that?
[20:14] <meerkats> IE: make em look like whn I boot from usb stick
[20:50] <meerkats> why can I write accents in abiword and not in libreoffice?
[21:13] <starn> can i safely install kubuntu or ubuntu via package manager/apt-get with out it bogging system down other than using more hard drive space? with defualt install of xubuntu?
[22:26] <meerkats> why does parole close unexpectedly?
[22:26] <meerkats> i play a video, it plays... and for no reason it quits
[22:29] <meerkats> it did it again
[22:30] <well_laid_lawn> start it from a terminal to see if there are any errors meerkats
[22:32] <meerkats> well_laid_lawn, no errors so far, ill let it run
[22:38] <meerkats> well_laid_lawn, segmentation fault
[22:39] <well_laid_lawn> meerkats: you could learn to use strace, try to downgrade the package or try a different app
[22:39] <Unit193> I personally use VLC, but it is Qt based if that matters to you.
[22:39] <well_laid_lawn> a segmentation fault could be from anything
[22:39] <meerkats> installing vlc's ppa in 3 weeks when I nuke this craptop
[22:40] <well_laid_lawn> I think plain old mplayer works great
[22:41] <Unit193> mplayer is another option, and there are also GUIs for it as well.
[22:43] <meerkats> that was the one I used back in ubuntu days
[22:52] <mongy> umplayer is my new fave
[22:55] <mongy> anyone know why the kernel update breaks chromium?
[23:04] <babble> mongy: I'm on 3.0.0.18, and I just launched Chromium - there was an update yesterday or today for Chromium (I forget which) - have you checked to see if you're using latest Chromium?
[23:06] <mongy> not me, a friend.  updated both I think, chromium won't start
[23:06] <mongy> chrome either
[23:07] <mongy> have told them to reboot to older kernel to test.
[23:07] <babble> is he available to try launching from the terminal to see what error it's giving?
[23:07] <mongy> newer kernel not filtered down to me yet :(
[23:07] <mongy> or maybe a good thing :)
[23:08] <meerkats> mongy, im on 3.0.18 too, could that be the cause of the libreoffice's segfault?
[23:08] <mongy> yeah tried asking that already, but no response.  hard work working with nubs
[23:09] <mongy> meerkats: no idea.  why any kernel update would affect chromium is beyond me. I guess little to no testing gets done when adding kernels then
[23:13] <meerkats> segfault!
[23:13] <meerkats> 5 in a row
[23:16] <mongy> I am halfway migrated to 12.04 anyhow.  Not long before I go 100%
[23:16] <meerkats> 12.04 64 bits in 3 weeks
[23:24] <mongy> old kernel it works fine
[23:24] <mongy> case closed
[23:26] <mongy> would think at least some minimal testing on before releasing it.
[23:27] <Unit193> It does.
[23:28] <meerkats> mogy, im like you before you turned back to 0.0.17
[23:29] <meerkats> can you please explain how to do it?
[23:29] <meerkats> mongy, *
[23:30] <mongy> ?
[23:30] <mongy> reboot and choose -17
[23:30] <mongy> ?
[23:33] <babble> if your grub menu is hidden, you'll need to a) hold down shift at startup or b) modify your grub.cfg to unhide the menu (b is a little tougher)
[23:34] <Unit193> babble: No, you edit /etc/default/grub
[23:34] <Unit193> (And run update-grub)
[23:34] <babble> oh, I had about a 50/50 chance of getting that wrong ;)
[23:35] <mongy> ?
[23:35] <mongy> I don't understand why you told me that.
[23:35] <babble> I do, appearances aside, know not to edit the bad one directly ;)
[23:35] <mongy> I never asked
[23:35] <babble> meerkats did
[23:35] <mongy> ....
[23:36]  * mongy goes back to sleep
[23:38] <meerkats> i can access grub
[23:38] <meerkats> then what?
[23:39] <meerkats> babble, ?
[23:40] <babble> comment out the following line: (add the hash shown here to the beginning of the line):
[23:41] <mongy> hold shift to get menu, boot into older kernel, remove newer kernel, done
[23:42] <babble> meerkats: sorry about that
[23:42] <babble> comment out the following line:
[23:42] <babble> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[23:42] <babble> (add the pound sign as I've pasted it here)
[23:43] <babble> you can add more time to the menu timeout by editing:
[23:43] <babble> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[23:43] <babble> (10, here, is 10 seconds)
[23:46] <meerkats> as soon as I finish the report, ill do that
[23:56] <meerkats> there, 3.0.0.17
[23:56] <meerkats> it loaded faster
[23:56] <meerkats> but I still get a KUbuntu plymouth for both logging in and out
[23:57] <meerkats> if I nuke my machine and install a fresh 12.04 it will install 3.0.0.18 and no anything older, right?
[23:57] <babble> there's a plymouth manager, if you want.
[23:58] <babble> the Precise beta is on 3.2.something
[23:58] <babble> http://www.noobslab.com/2011/11/install-plymouth-manager-and-change.html
[23:58] <meerkats> 3.2 kernel?
[23:58] <babble> yes.
[23:58] <babble> sec.
[23:59] <babble> looks like 3.2.0.21.23