[00:25] <tbruff13> can someone help me how can i test to see if my audio jack earphone works in kubuntu 11.10
[02:23] <Arathreel> Hello there. I'm fairly new to Linux and my son knocked my laptop to the floor. I'm using the live cd so that I can try and run fsck, but I keep getting an error saying fsck.swap not found. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong and I can't seem to find much/any help on the internet.
[02:45] <amason> Arathreel: if the disk was spinning at the time you (probably) have a physical hardware issue
[02:46] <amason> i did that the other day with an external disk....hosed it good and proper :(
[02:46] <Arathreel> That is, unfortunately, my worry. I'm hoping I can fix it, that maybe it isn't as bad as I fear.
[02:46] <amason> also you can't fsck a swap partition
[02:47] <amason> as there is nothing to fsck
[02:47] <Arathreel> I finally realized that. I had typed in the wrong sda
[02:47] <amason> :)
[02:47] <amason> dd will let you copy as much of the data as possible to a new disk
[02:49] <Arathreel> Ugh. I think I made a mistake doing the lost+found folder.
[02:49] <amason> erm
[02:49] <amason> you don't want to do folders
[02:49] <amason> you need to fsck a parition
[02:49] <amason> fsck is a file system check
[02:49] <Arathreel> I did the whole of /home which is on /sda2
[02:49] <amason> so you only run it on devices that have a filesystem
[02:49] <amason> ok
[02:50] <Arathreel> But they asked if I wanted to do the lost+found
[02:50] <Arathreel> Now I'm afraid to cancel it for fear of what it will do.
[02:50] <amason> which filesystem are you using ?
[02:50] <amason> ext4 ?
[02:50] <Arathreel> I just keep saying 'yes' to fixing inodes
[02:50] <Arathreel> I'm not sure.
[02:50] <amason> heh
[02:50] <Arathreel> I'm really still fairly new at this.
[02:51] <Arathreel> I got my bamboo tablet working, but fixing broken things is a new experience for me.
[02:51] <amason> look if you do manage to recover this, the first thing i'd do is copy the contents to a new disk
[02:51] <Arathreel> I will finish putting everything on our server, that's for sure.
[02:51] <amason> actually i personally would dd what you can to a new disk
[02:51] <amason> and fsck on the new disk
[02:51] <Arathreel> I don't want to lose what I haven't copied over yet. Most everything is there already.
[02:51] <Arathreel> What is dd?
[02:52] <amason>  dd - convert and copy a file
[02:52] <amason> dd if=/old/disk of=/new/disk
[02:52] <Arathreel> Alright. That makes sense.
[02:52] <amason> it will do a bit for bit copy
[02:52] <amason> you can tell it to skip errors too
[02:52] <amason> that way if you can't read a sector it will just write zeros
[02:53] <amason> until it can read something again
[02:53] <amason> if your fsck is relocating data to sectors that are bad ( which it doesn't know are bad ) then you risk loosing more data
[02:56] <Arathreel> *nods* alright. I will have to try and do that.
[02:56] <Arathreel> I'm just finishing the fsck right now.
[02:58] <Arathreel> It appears everything worked, so I'm going to try and reboot the system, hopefully.
[02:58] <Arathreel> Thank you so much for your help. I will try to pop back in if it works. And... also if it doesn't.
[02:59] <amason> good luck
[03:14] <arathreel> Hurray. Everything seems to be fixed.
[03:19] <arathreel> Thank you, amason, for all your help.
[03:21] <amason> np
[03:55] <ybit> Daskreech: why deb faster than the rpm distros?
[03:55] <ybit> +is
[03:55] <Daskreech> ybit: Who said they are ?
[03:58] <Daskreech> You will have to clarify that I think
[04:07]  * Daskreech pokes ybit 
[04:17] <ybit> Daskreech: if say you want to just search for a file, zypper first needs the privs and if there's another instance of it running somewhere, it will fail to search for a file
[04:18] <Daskreech> ybit: That's less about speed and more about stupid settings by default
[04:18] <ybit> then it seems to check all of the repos to make sure they are up-to-date before searching
[04:18] <ybit> i bet this can be disabled
[04:19] <ybit> there isn't an equivalent of apt-file search either
[04:19] <Daskreech> It can be ...um ameliorated
[04:19] <ybit> there's software.opensuse.org and webpin in their yast --ncurses interface but it 404s
[04:19] <Daskreech> No I think you can do a file search with yum
[04:19] <Daskreech>  I don't think you can with zypper
[04:19] <ybit> it's true
[04:19] <ybit> but opensuse uses zypper
[04:20] <Daskreech> The main issue is that for some reason debian decided that the repos would be static and append only
[04:20] <Daskreech>  RPM decided that the repos could be amended as needed
[04:20] <ybit> hrm, you can use yum in opensuse...
[04:20] <Daskreech> and in Ubuntu a well if you like
[04:20] <Daskreech> though that's just proving that man can fly :)
[04:21] <Daskreech> For a lot of RPM distros they can do things like remove an application or old versions of an application
[04:21] <ybit> i'm aching over here
[04:21] <ybit> (using zypper)
[04:21] <Daskreech> so to ensure that you don't do somthing stupid even though you think that it is smart they resync everytime you do anything
[04:22] <Daskreech>  So if you do a search for say w3m it will look in the local cache
[04:23] <Daskreech> however someone could have decided to remove w3m from the server so you wuld see it as available even though it isn't so it will resync with the server and get all the files available before moving on
[04:23] <ybit> i'm over on opensuse atm because of the snapper and btrfs appeal
[04:24] <ybit> it's the equivalent of a subset of nix package management without the headache of having to learn everything immediately
[04:24] <Daskreech> Debian will never remove anything so if you have an old cache the worst that could happen is there will be a newer version of a file but the number of packages and the availabilty are all fixed at release
[04:25] <ybit> i can't speak evil about opensuse + zypper, i've used gentoo and debian even more so way longer
[04:25] <Daskreech> opensuse is fantastic for a RPM distro :)
[04:25] <ybit> so it's unfair of me to compare without really diving in, but i'm missing some functionality
[04:25]  * Daskreech compliments from the back of his hand
[04:26] <ybit> susestudio.com is pretty amazing
[04:26] <ybit> OBS rather
[04:26] <Daskreech> Oh no Suse is a great organization
[04:27] <Daskreech> and does some amazing community work as well
[04:29] <Whiskey`Wonka> uhg
[04:29] <Whiskey`Wonka> What method is used on laptops to alter the cpu fan speed?
[04:30] <Daskreech> !info fancontrol
[04:30] <Whiskey`Wonka> depending on the kernel I use, the cpu fan behaves differently. right now im on 3.2.0-21-generic, cpu cores are 50~60%, 145F and the fan is putting along on low
[04:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> ah ty
[04:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> well i see how to watch the sensors (ive been using gkrellm) but not how to control the fan
[04:41] <Whiskey`Wonka> $Tits seams when it installed, it did not make a /etc/fancontrol ?
[04:42] <Daskreech> Whiskey`Wonka: Umm sorry maybe try thinkfan ?
[04:42] <Whiskey`Wonka> will look at that
[04:43] <Whiskey`Wonka> on the right track but it complains 'is this really a thinkpad?'
[04:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> mm a page is saying after installing lm-sensors to restart =\
[04:46] <Daskreech> lm-sensors is the usual catch all for fans and heat
[04:47] <qbit> you can configure lm-sensors by running a script named sensors-detect
[04:47] <Daskreech> !info sensors-detect
[04:48] <Daskreech> qbit: is that a part of lm-sensors ?
[04:48] <qbit> yes
[04:48] <qbit> and it has a man page
[04:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> qbit: i did that
[04:50] <qbit> don't know if that'll help but may be able to add a data point on whether or what capabilities lm-sensors may have on the hardware
[04:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> looks like i have nothing in /proc/acpi/
[04:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> it read my sensor, and said no new modules to load
[04:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> the k10 module is correct
[04:51] <Whiskey`Wonka> but doesnt look like i have a way to program it
[04:51] <Whiskey`Wonka> this page is talking aobut /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ0/trip_points
[04:51] <Whiskey`Wonka> and i have nothing like that in /proc/acpi/
[04:52] <Whiskey`Wonka> just ac_adapter/ battery/    button/     event       toshiba/    wakeup
[04:53] <qbit> the toshiba is probably the acpi support for your box, and it may not include supprot for controlling the fan is a possibility
[04:53] <qbit> but I don't know anything about Toshiba so I'm stuck there
[04:53] <Whiskey`Wonka> there is nothing under there for fan
[04:53] <Whiskey`Wonka> its the kernel, or the acpi module
[04:54] <Whiskey`Wonka> i know on older kernels there was more populated in /acpi/
[04:58] <qbit> does lsmod show a toshiba_acpi module?
[04:59] <Whiskey`Wonka> toshiba_acpi           18306  0  sparse_keymap          13890  1 toshiba_acpi
[05:01] <qbit> from what I can guess from a page about this I googled is that the fan control of that module is either on or off with no way to control speed
[05:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> odd, it works fine with 11.10 and older kernels
[05:02] <Whiskey`Wonka> possibly thats the bios fan control and its been turned off?
[05:02] <qbit> yes - and probably doesn't work with kernels 3.x.x and newer
[05:03] <qbit> http://memebeam.org/toys/ToshibaAcpiDriver   <- you'll notice they say 2.4 and 2.6 with no mention of 3,x
[05:03] <Whiskey`Wonka> ah lovely
[05:03] <Daskreech> qbit: there is very little functionally different between 2.6 and 3.x
[05:04] <Whiskey`Wonka> Daskreech: i would say fan control is 'little'
[05:04] <Whiskey`Wonka> but quite important
[05:04] <Whiskey`Wonka> i dont like the laptop floating at 140~160F just because
[05:05] <qbit> Daskreech: I went round and round with this on openSUSE wrt to compiling nvidia driver module, had to patch to get and older version to build that was not regressive performance wise
[05:05] <qbit> and that eventually failed as 3.x started getting  newer
[05:05] <Whiskey`Wonka> huh and thats part of why i am on a 3x kernel, ati drivers
[05:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> this thing runs like crap in google earth on 11.10
[05:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> works ok on 11.04, but then my wireless drivers hard lock on it
[05:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> and changing kernels only helps so far with each problem
[05:06] <qbit> lol, 'tis always something....
[05:07] <Whiskey`Wonka> yup
[05:07] <qbit> I used ATI fglrx about a year ago
[05:07] <qbit> gave up waiting for them to mature the dual monitor support
[05:07] <qbit> if you had dual monitors the driver disabled 3D acceleration and it was either/or
[05:08] <qbit> got an Nvidia card and use Twinview
[05:08] <Daskreech> qbit: as in it's coded for the version number rather than the API exposure?
[05:09] <qbit> Daskreech: yes - but only to a point
[05:09] <qbit> once the API changed past a certain rev you could no longer build and are forced to use the newer codebase
[05:10] <Daskreech> Well nothing wrong with newer codebase :)
[05:10] <qbit> and I hate to say it, but 280.13 and the like are slower than the old ones
[05:11] <qbit> they have updated support for newer GPU hardware, but they are slower
[05:11] <Daskreech> It' why we are advocating drivers be open sourced
[05:11] <qbit> and I'll us ethe open source ones when/if they ever come up to the performance level of the propietary ones
[05:12] <qbit> but I would prefer open source to proprietary binary blobs
[05:13] <Daskreech> everyone would except for the lawyers
[05:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> the lawyers dont care, thats the corperations
[05:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> the lawyers just get a paycheck for doing what the corps want
[05:17] <Daskreech> ha ha No this is the lawyers
[05:17] <Daskreech> keeping these things closed is a pain for the companies. It's an engineering and financial headache
[05:17] <Whiskey`Wonka> mmm
[05:17] <Whiskey`Wonka> ive got family that does ip law. they tell a different story
[05:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> i should say hypotheticly, some zelot might want to try some blackmail
[05:23] <Daskreech> Whiskey`Wonka: IP for engineering work?
[05:23] <Whiskey`Wonka> all kinds of ip
[05:24] <Whiskey`Wonka> from software to music to who knows
[05:24] <Whiskey`Wonka> my side and their side of the family do not exactly get along
[05:24] <Whiskey`Wonka> and since they are a bunch of bloddy ass lawyers, we try not ot piss on them to often
[05:25] <sfears> repartitioned windoes vista install to fit kubuntu and now have "bootmgr missing" error when I try to boot into windows.  Kubuntu boots fine.  Any ideas on how to fix bootmgr error?
[05:26] <sfears> if I use the windows cd to fix the startup will I then have to fix grub to boot into linux?
[05:28] <Whiskey`Wonka> sfears: you will need to chain load
[05:28] <Whiskey`Wonka> grub should have detected vista and added it to the boot list
[05:29] <sfears> it didn't Whiskey`Wonka
[05:30] <sfears> i manually edited default/grub and added (hd 0,2) chainload +1
[05:30] <Whiskey`Wonka> did you do a chkdsk on the vista partition after resizing it?
[05:31] <sfears> edited grub.d/40.custom... it points to the correct partition and attempted to load windows, but the boot files are gone
[05:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> right the boot files are not on that partition
[05:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> well, they can be
[05:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> often they are on a 100mb partition
[05:32] <Whiskey`Wonka> merh. i hate the fcc and their paper work and this laptop is to hot to keep using
[05:32] <sfears> i think i reformated that partition as the swap file
[05:32] <Whiskey`Wonka> that was a mistake
[05:32] <sfears> figures
[05:33] <Whiskey`Wonka> that 100mb partition is where vista (and 7) hold the bootloader
[05:33] <Whiskey`Wonka> you will need to fix that and make a new partition for your swap
[05:33] <sfears> and it was 1.5 gig if iremember
[05:33] <Whiskey`Wonka> ah no that would be the restore partition then
[05:34] <Whiskey`Wonka> hope you have your os backups
[05:34] <sfears> it was a fresh install
[05:34] <Whiskey`Wonka> ah you have your os media
[05:34] <sfears> i do
[05:34] <Whiskey`Wonka> well there are a few ways to fix this
[05:35] <Whiskey`Wonka> the easiest really is to toast and start over
[05:35] <Whiskey`Wonka> install vista with the partition setup you want. give its boot partition 100mb or so
[05:35] <sfears> can't run windows off 1 partition anymore?
[05:36] <sfears> i think i can only make 4 partitions, and i need 3 for linux
[05:36] <sfears> root, home and swap
[05:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> right thats what extended partitions are for
[05:40] <sfears> logical = extended?
[05:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> make your first 100(win boot) and your sencond 300 (/boot) then a extended then make 4 partitions (win, root home swap)
[05:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> ya
[05:45] <sfears> is there a way to make it work with my existing partitions Whiskey`Wonka?
[05:46] <Whiskey`Wonka> you would need to make /boot part of your /
[05:46] <Whiskey`Wonka> and then you get into kernel module issues and ext2/3/4
[05:47] <Whiskey`Wonka> could always make a initramfs to handle that
[05:47] <Whiskey`Wonka> but really that is a pain
[05:47] <Whiskey`Wonka> you could move the partitions around, copy them etc, to get to the state of 2+4
[05:48] <Whiskey`Wonka> but thats messy and time consuming
[05:48] <Whiskey`Wonka> if you really want ot keep the installs like they are, you can move the partitions off to a backup drive then repartition and copy the data back
[05:48] <sfears> alright, thanks for the input
[05:49] <Whiskey`Wonka> sorry its not better news
[05:49] <Whiskey`Wonka> but hey, you dont have to work with UPRR so feel like you got a win =)
[05:50] <sfears> UPRR?
[05:58] <Whiskey`Wonka> union pacific rail road
[05:59] <Whiskey`Wonka> not as evil as cellco's when looking to lease tower space
[05:59] <Whiskey`Wonka> id place cellco's at 'emperor' and uprr at 'darth maul'
[06:04] <Daskreech> Tower space?
[06:06] <qbit> it's a common practice in the RF industry to rent/lease antennae mounting locations out to other companies
[06:07] <qbit> unless a quid pro quo balance is struck  the rates are huge
[06:08] <qbit> but usually a deal is "you let us put some our antennae on your tower in exchange for x number of yours on ours..."
[06:08] <qbit> tower space == a place to mount an antenna
[07:30] <lordievader> good morning
[09:10] <progre55> hi guys. I have a problem since a couple of days with my encrypted home not mounting automatically on logon, and every time I boot up, I have to go to tty and "sudo mount /home". Any suggestions, please?
[09:17] <Daskreech> Happened after an update?
[09:22] <progre55> Daskreech: not sure to be honest. Cause the comp was on for about 4 days, and I dont remember if I updated anything during that time.
[09:23] <Daskreech> hmmm
[09:23] <Daskreech> and it's done up correctly in /etc/fstab ?
[09:45] <progre55> Daskreech: sorry was afk. so, here is what my fstab says "UUID=6693fc9d-bdeb-4c31-8ff6-f3eeec6bb5e8 /home           ext4    defaults        0       2" and btw, how do I find out the device UUID?
[09:46] <progre55> but I'm guessing that's correct in fstab, otherwise just saying "sudo mount /home" wouldnt work
[10:21] <excognac> hi all I'm under live cd. How do i use fsck to detect problems? Yes, I read the manual and I'm rubbish. fsck -C /sda6 says there's no such device. Well, this would be my root partition
[10:36] <qbit> excognac: try /dev/sda6
[11:09] <ep> 11.10 somehow I can't use/open klipper.   It's not on my panel, as far as I can tell it's not a hidden icon. Running from console gives "Klipper is already running".   Using alt-F2 does nothing.
[11:12] <hateball> ep: well do you see if the process is indeed running?
[11:12] <ep> hateball yes
[11:13] <hateball> and killing it and restarting it produces the same result?
[11:13] <ep> logging out and restarting produces the same result
[11:14] <hateball> and you had checked the tray settings so you havent accidentally set it to always hidden?
[11:15] <ep> where's the tray settings, I'll check
[11:15] <hateball> ep: you can rightclick the tray area
[11:16] <ep> tray is "panel" then ?  :)
[11:16] <hateball> ep: no, the area where the clock resides
[11:17] <ep> okay kubuntu is calling that "panel settings" as far as i can tell.
[11:17] <hateball> no then you're clicking the panel :)
[11:18] <hateball> you should have an area with the clock, volume indicator, network indicator, etc
[11:18] <ep> ok, i got it sorry.  checking now
[11:18] <hateball> and if you dont, you can add it
[11:18] <hateball> oh ok then :)
[11:19] <ep> klipper is "auto"
[11:19] <ep> i'll try "always visible as a test
[11:26] <ep> Fixed.  I'm used to a different icon used in a older version of kde/kubuntu :)
[11:55] <hateball> ep: :D
[12:29] <AceKing> I have Kubuntu 11.04 on my PC, and yesterday, out of nowhere, my internet connection is very slow. None of the other computers that are connected are running slow. I restarted, rebooted the modem and router, and nothing seemed to work. Any ideas what I can check?
[12:31] <lordievader> AceKing, Not really sure if it will work but the only thing I can come up with now is running the command: "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[12:31] <lordievader> AceKing, your connection was faster before?
[12:33] <AceKing> lordievader: Yes, running a speedtest, download was 31.5 mbps and upload was 10 mbps. Now download 1.25 mbps and upload is 1.25 mbps
[12:33] <lordievader> AceKing, wired or wireless?
[12:34] <AceKing> lordievade: wired
[12:35] <lordievader> Hmm well... I'm not sure what to do. As I said run the restart networking command, it might fix things.
[12:36] <AceKing> lordievader: OK thanks, I will give that a shot and see. It will kick me off, but I will come back on to let you know how it turns out.
[12:37] <AceKing> lordievader: It says "Command not found"
[12:37] <lordievader> AceKing, Good luck
[12:38] <lordievader> perhaps I made a typo: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:39] <AceKing> lordievader: My fault.. spelling error
[12:40] <AceKing> lordievader: That didn't work, still slow connection.
[12:41] <lordievader> hmm I see, perhaps someone else here knows, else you can try asking over at the ubuntuforums.org
[12:42] <AceKing> lordievader: Thank you for taking the time to help. I am also going to do a search on my adapter to see if anyone else had a problem
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:40] <arshinator> always getting booted to grub prompt......and then have to load the kernel...how to automatically boot to X? can anyone help
[13:46] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | arshinator
[13:48] <skurcey> ubottu: is there a better way, cause when i installed ATI driver first i didnt had any problem, now with nomodeset i cant launch an app ('error while loading shared libraries:libGL.so.1
[13:49] <skurcey> :'(
[13:49] <lordievader> hey skurcey, what's the problem?
[13:50] <skurcey> hi ^^
[13:55] <BluesKaj> skurcey,  did you run sudo update-grub ?
[14:28] <river__> Hey all, I'm looking for a way to get the grub list of the available kernels upon boot. Web search did not give sufficient answers. Any ideas? Thanks
[14:32] <BluesKaj> river__,  hold down the left shift right after the bios scrn , until grub appears
[14:34] <river__> Cheers BluesKaj, I give it a try
[14:43] <river__> BluesKaj: Worked like a charm. Thanks a lot!
[14:45] <BluesKaj> river__,  install kde-config-grub2 , then you need to go thru that procedure again , it will show up in system settings>startup & shatdown
[14:45] <BluesKaj> won't need to go thru the procedure
[15:24] <river__> BluesKaj: Oh splendid! That's exactly what I've been looking for. Thank you merely!
[16:13] <markit> hi, with 12.04 aptitude full-upgrade hangs so often... seems a sort of lock problem, but googling for aptitude hang does not show reported errors, is something you also have encounter?
[16:14] <lordievader> markit, joint the ubuntu+1 channel, the channel for not released versions.
[16:14] <lordievader> !ubuntu+1
[16:14] <markit> well, there is not a Kubuntu+1
[16:15] <markit> they will blame kde for my problems, I'm sure ;P
[16:15] <lordievader> kubuntu+1 is also in ubuntu+1
[16:15] <markit> ok, thanks
[16:15] <BluesKaj> markit,  use apt-get , aptitude has a problem in 12.04
[16:15] <markit> hope they fix, but seems no one is reporting it
[16:16] <BluesKaj> it's happened previously
[16:30] <ashley_> hi i have a question about empathy, if anyone can help
[16:31] <ashley_> empathy.desktop remains in my message indicator... but i removed the program
[16:33] <madurax86> hello
[16:33] <madurax86> how can i make a kde keyboard layout?
[16:38] <lordievader> madurax86, check System Settings -> input devices -> keyboard -> layouts
[16:39] <madurax86> lordievader I need to make a new one
[16:45] <Daskreech> ashley_: Hmm? The message Indicator keeps messages not programs
[16:45] <Daskreech> madurax86: what keymap?
[16:46] <madurax86> daskreech I need to make a new one :)
[16:58] <Daskreech> madurax86: For a language or just for a project?
[16:59] <madurax86> daskreech :) i got it thanks
[16:59] <Daskreech> madurax86: where are the keymaps kept?
[16:59] <bluebird> suggest a good  software  for video chat
[16:59] <madurax86> daskreech /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/
[17:00] <madurax86> bluebird skype ? hehe
[17:00] <bluebird> any other?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> bluebird,  skype , google talk
[17:01] <bluebird> the skype dont look that  good.does the basic things
[17:01] <BluesKaj> skype may not be supported in linux much longer , since MS bought it
[17:02] <Daskreech> ashley_: Where is the Empathy.desktop file located?
[17:02] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: you think?
[17:02] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: What would be the advanced things?
[17:02] <bluebird> bluebird, thats possible but they support android.so its  the same
[17:03] <Daskreech> bluebird: You'd think
[17:03] <bluebird> the video and chat interface are separated and cant  resize to  custom size
[17:05] <bluebird> should  i use muon or   ubuntu software center?
[17:05] <madurax86> bluebird muon with kubuntu
[17:06] <madurax86> software center isn't bad but might take time to load
[17:07] <bluebird> cant use  ubuntu software center?i  want to install smplayer
[17:07] <madurax86> no you can use anything both work
[17:08] <bluebird> Madurax86 didnt understood ,what  you mean
[17:09] <Daskreech> bluebird: Those are advanced features?
[17:09] <madurax86> bluebird ubuntu software center and moun both work well with kubuntu
[17:10] <BluesKaj> bluebird,  all package managers/updaters etc use the dpkg system to install and remove applications
[17:10] <Daskreech> bluebird: They both give you access to the same files
[17:10] <bluebird> but cant install smplayer
[17:10] <Daskreech> !info smplayer
[17:11] <bluebird> when  i press install, nothing   happens
[17:11] <Daskreech> bluebird: You clicked apply at the bottom?
[17:11] <bluebird> there  is no apply
[17:12] <BluesKaj> maybe at the top
[17:12] <bluebird> its  the  ubuntu software center
[17:12] <bluebird> no
[17:12] <BluesKaj> hmm, this kubuntu , bluebird , go ask in #ubuntu
[17:13] <bluebird> im in kubuntu
[17:13] <bluebird> i  mean im using kubuntu
[17:13] <BluesKaj> ubuntu software center?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> muon?
[17:14] <Daskreech> bluebird: You are using the Ubuntu Software center?
[17:14] <bluebird> yes
[17:14] <bluebird> thats  what i asked before
[17:15] <Daskreech> bluebird: You can ask about ubuntu software center in #ubuntu
[17:15] <bluebird> can  we use  both or only muon?
[17:15] <Daskreech> I would guess not a lot of people in here use it a lot
[17:15] <Daskreech> bluebird: you can use both just not at the same time
[17:16] <bluebird> but i dont think ubuntu people can help
[17:16] <duckx0r> I am trying to set up kmail, but there are no folders in the folders list. How can I fix this?
[17:16] <bluebird> as the problem is  because  of  my kubuntu base i think
[17:16] <Daskreech> bluebird: it is not
[17:17] <BluesKaj> bluebird,  open a konsole , do this , lsb_release -a
[17:17] <Daskreech> duckx0r: Not even inbox ?
[17:17] <duckx0r> Daskreech, nothing. completely empty.
[17:17] <Daskreech> duckx0r: And your account is setup ?
[17:18] <bluebird> No LSB modules are available.
[17:18] <bluebird> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[17:18] <bluebird> Description:    Ubuntu 11.10
[17:18] <bluebird> Release:        11.10
[17:18] <bluebird> Codename:       oneiric
[17:18] <duckx0r> Daskreech, Yes, I have an IMAP account set up
[17:19] <Daskreech> duckx0r: and it's synced?
[17:20] <bluebird> BluesKaj,  thats  the  terminal result
[17:20] <duckx0r> Daskreech, how can I tell?
[17:21] <duckx0r> Daskreech, it says "connection established" in the account list
[17:21] <duckx0r> Daskreech, and I am able to view the folders in the "server side subscriptions" option
[17:22] <Daskreech> duckx0r: Look in Akonadi Control panel. There will be a resource for the IMAP and it will say if it's syncing or not
[17:23] <duckx0r> Daskreech, it doesn't say whether it's syncing, but it has the same thing as in kmail, that the connection is established
[17:26] <duckx0r> Daskreech, this is what I see http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/kmail.png/
[17:27] <BluesKaj> bluebird,  which kde version ,also in the konsole ,  kde4-config --version , however no need to post the whole oputput , just the platform number.
[17:28] <duckx0r> Daskreech, I'm going to restart kde and see if that makes any difference
[17:29] <Daskreech> It shouldn't
[17:34] <duckx0r> Daskreech, I restarted KDE and it appears to be working now. Thanks for the help.
[17:34] <Daskreech> duckx0r: Wohoo! :)
[17:35] <duckx0r> Daskreech, when it says "syncing" for an IMAP folder does that include message bodies or only headers?
[17:36] <Daskreech> duckx0r: headers
[17:37] <duckx0r> Daskreech, ok perfect.
[17:42] <Daskreech> duckx0r: perfect may be overselling it :)
[18:25] <BluesKaj> BBL..errands
[19:21] <guestuser> Hi
[19:22] <guestuser> Hello!!
[19:32] <bluebird> cant  install updates
[19:33] <lordievader> bluebird, how did you try to install updates?
[19:33] <bluebird> there was notification and i opened it and pressed install, got error about authentication
[19:34] <bluebird> it didnt ask    for  password
[19:34] <lordievader> hmm that is strange, but if you want to update you can do it though the terminal, is in my opinion easier.
[19:34] <lordievader> do you need to know how?
[19:34] <bluebird> yup
[19:34] <lordievader> open a terminal
[19:35] <bluebird> sudo update?
[19:35] <lordievader> sudo apt-get update
[19:35] <lordievader> and then the actual update step: sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:37] <bluebird> its working
[19:37] <bluebird> did you got the  update?
[19:37] <lordievader> what do you mean?
[19:38] <bluebird> did you got  an update notification  yesterday or  today?
[19:38] <bluebird> for  your  kubuntu system
[19:39] <lordievader> did an update today through the terminal so I probably beat it to the chase, why?
[19:39] <bluebird> i was  just asking
[19:39] <bluebird> how did  you know all the terminal commands?
[19:40] <lordievader> after a few years with linux you learn these kind of things, also setting up a remote machine with ssh helps a great deal
[19:40] <lordievader> if you like to read more about linux comands: http://linuxcommand.org/
[19:41] <bluebird> how do i remove  a softwae
[19:41] <bluebird> i used the muon
[19:41] <lordievader> right click and mark it as remove
[19:41] <lordievader> and then apply
[19:43] <lordievader> if you can't find it, I might be wrong...
[19:44] <bluebird> suggest a good media player which can 1)view video in  streched mode 2)contol sound and video  using up  down and left right keys
[19:44] <bluebird> that worked
[19:44] <lordievader> something like vlc? shortcuts can usually be changed...
[19:45] <bluebird> could   it view video  in   streched mode?
[19:46] <lordievader> it can do a lot, check it out, I guess it can but I am not entirely sure.
[19:46] <bluebird> i prefer something like kmplayer  or gom in  windows
[19:47] <lordievader> perhaps they have a version for linux
[19:48] <bluebird> will check that
[19:48] <bluebird> thanks
[19:50] <Daskreech> !info vlc
[19:54] <designbybeck> Why am I not seeing something like Karbon in the software center?
[19:54] <designbybeck> All my repos seem to be turned on that i need
[19:55] <Daskreech> !info karbon
[19:59] <Daskreech> designbybeck: can you see anything else?
[19:59] <Daskreech>  !info calligra
[19:59] <Daskreech> !find calligra
[19:59] <designbybeck> yes,
[20:00] <designbybeck> just not when searching for Karbon Daskreech
[20:00] <designbybeck> I think it might only be available with the Koffice suite DarkriftX
[20:06] <Daskreech> designbybeck: not according to ubottu
[20:10] <ronnoc> designbybeck: Daskreech: Is it called karbon14 now? I have it installed by installing calligra from the calligra ppa (I don't have KOffice installed)
[20:10] <designbybeck> gotcha! Thanks ronnoc
[20:12] <ronnoc> designbybeck: Installthe kubuntu beta backports ppa, then install calligra :)
[20:13] <ronnoc> *install the
[20:22] <skramer_> I would like to know if it is possible to have separate panels for different activities?
[20:27] <jessie> Panels?
[20:27] <jessie> What do you mean, skramer_
[20:27] <ronnoc> skramer_: AFAIK, if you go to system settings > workspace behavior > desktops and select "separate widgets for each desktop" you should be able to add panels that are unique to a certain activity
[20:29] <skramer_> ronnoc: I will try, thanks
[20:51] <Aprogas> The Kubuntu alternate installer seemed to ask me which packages to install (e.g. OpenSSH server, Mail server, Kubuntu desktop, etc.) but I don't recall it doing that on my test-install in VirtualBox.
[20:51] <Aprogas> It also gave me the option for manual package selection, where gnome was listed under installed packages and kde under uninstalled packages; which seemed odd to me.
[20:52] <ronnoc> Aprogas: the alternate installer and the mini.iso have both always asked those questions whenever I have used them
[20:52] <Aprogas> I guess I just didn't notice them in the test install or forgot it happened.
[20:53] <BluesKaj> hmm I don't recall the alternate asking me that
[20:54] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: It might only ask that if you choose an advanced install...I can't recall for sure. But I do know I've seen it.
[20:55] <BluesKaj> ronnoc,  that's probly it , I think I just went with default pkgs
[20:55] <Aprogas> I may have accidently pressed something.
[20:55] <ronnoc> Aprogas: Just choose the kubuntu option and you'll be fine
[20:56] <ronnoc> no need to install anything else from that list
[20:57] <Aprogas> I'm installing an encrypted LVM on a disk shared with Windows 7, so I had to do it manually. I'm also on a BIOS that tends to crash when it doesn't recognize the MBR (i.e. non-Windows-MBR). So I'm pretty far from fine. :P
[20:57] <[LEG]Rosario80> alguien de habla hispana?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> Think I'm going with a clean install soon , I'll back up my ~/ to the external drive
[20:58] <Aprogas> In my test-install, GRUB refused to install to /dev/sda5, but I don't recall the exact error. I'm hoping to load Linux through the Windows bootloader using EasyBCD.
[20:59] <BluesKaj> that's gotta be a different bios than most ., and easy BCD can fix the windows bootloader , but it's still gotta be listed in grub iirc
[21:00] <Aprogas> I have a spare USB-stick I can write GRUB to, just in case.
[21:00] <Aprogas> It's an Insyde H2O BIOS in an Acer laptop. It's not exactly stable.
[21:00] <Aprogas> If my USB-stick isn't in the exact right geometry, it won't boot from it.
[21:01] <Aprogas> It's the 90s all over again when you have to worry whether the geometry in your partition table matches the BIOS.
[21:22] <AshleyD_> i know this is probably a stupid question for you guys.... but how to i delete a file from root? I had empathy on my laptop and removed it and now in my message indicator  it shows empathy.desktop as running. I would like to get rid of it completely
[21:23] <AshleyD_> do i sudo in my in my konsole?
[21:24] <Aprogas> Are you talking about a running process or a file?
[21:24] <AshleyD_> im guessing process then. i had it on here, and i removed it through my package manager. (please bare with me, ive only been on kubuntu for a yr now)
[21:25] <AshleyD_> but after removing there is still the empathy.desktop in my message indicator
[21:25] <Aprogas> Usually a package manager will also handle killing any daemons, but you might need to kill it yourself using pkill or kill
[21:25] <Aprogas> I'm not sure what empathy.desktop or message indicator are, but I know how to kill processes.
[21:26] <AshleyD_> message indicator shows what programs you are currently running. and empathy.desktop was from the IM Chat clent empathy.
[21:26] <AshleyD_> client*
[21:27] <AshleyD_> i had some help earlier to find where empathy.desktop is located, but when i try to send to trash to delete it gives me "access denied"
[21:45] <BluesKaj> bummer , Installed an external drive with esata to sata connection and the transfer speeds are no better than usb2 ..wonder what it could be?
[21:47] <BluesKaj> only running aut 7-8mib/s
[21:47] <BluesKaj> at
[21:47] <Aprogas> Wow, without my GRUB USB, Ubuntu seems willing to boot from the Windows bootloader by installing GRUB2 from EasyBCD (to a file in C:\NST)
[22:16] <savas> slm