[00:01] <penguin42> atpa8a: OK, I've tweeked the report a bit
[00:05] <penguin42> atpa8a: You may get some moans from stuff asking you to try the latest upstream kernel, which won't help for the installer bug
[00:08] <atpa8a> penguin42: great!
[00:08] <atpa8a> i'd try whatever :)
[00:09] <atpa8a> even thinking to give the alternate cd a try
[00:09] <penguin42> yeh worth a go
[00:10] <tarvid> some mopping up to do
[00:10] <tarvid> grub failed after a RAID 1 install, should I report it? how?
[00:11] <penguin42> tarvid: Yes, have you got a launchpad account and can you boot into your system some how?
[00:11] <tarvid> Boot repair fixed it
[00:12] <tarvid> Yes I have a Launchpad account
[00:12] <penguin42> tarvid: Hmm shame - it's kind of better to report while the bug is still there; OK - so was this a fresh install?
[00:13] <tarvid> yes, a fresh install but the RAID had been built previously
[00:14] <tarvid> and I whined a lot about my networking problems which turned out to be the cable modem/router
[00:14] <penguin42> tarvid: OK, so from your booted system type   ubuntu-bug ubuiquity    and answer the questions; ubuqiuity is the installer and is the normal place to put install screw ups
[00:19] <tarvid> How do I enter text in this browser, this is a server install
[00:26] <tarvid> browser may be w3m but I don't know how to get text in a form field
[00:28] <larcc> thanks to whoever tried helping me get dash working, found the reason the search didn't work: i didn't have zeitgeist
[00:36] <tarvid> Now for the awkward part, I sought help with networking and the problem turned out to be routing in the cable modem
[00:37] <tarvid> I could talk to a neighbor on the LAN, My laptop on the LAN could reach the Internet, but the machine I was trying to set up could not
[00:37] <tarvid> The laptop could because its mac address was stuffed in the cable system somewhere and the server mac address was not
[00:38] <tarvid> looks like a bizarre bug that cost me two days
[00:38] <tarvid> where would one file such information
[00:59] <bandit5432> bug #927828
[00:59] <bandit5432> fix committed can  any one confirm that the fix works for them?
[01:00] <bandit5432> i am still getting that error when ever i use sudo
[01:02] <bandit5432> sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed.Aborted
[01:11] <bandit5432> :|
[01:42] <bandit5432> so no one is getting  sudo errors?
[01:50] <wylde> bandit5432: I'm not, and haven't ever. Didi you 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' ?
[01:51] <bandit5432> yes
[01:51] <bandit5432> i am getting a sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed.
[01:51] <bandit5432> Aborted
[01:52] <bandit5432> which is in bug #927828 which was supposed to have a fix released
[01:52] <wylde> su you can't update?
[01:52] <wylde> so*
[01:52] <bandit5432> no i update just fine i just keep getting a the above error every time i try to sudo
[01:53] <bandit5432> after the command runs i get the error
[01:53] <bandit5432> didnt have it in 11.10
[01:53] <wylde> so sudo works it just spits that error at you every time? ...odd
[01:53] <wylde> hmm, just reading the bug report now
[01:54] <bandit5432> no biggie just annoying like apparmour errors booting with 3.3 kernels
[01:54] <wylde> there's a new report as well, seems it's not fixed just yet
[01:55] <wylde> not sure if they fixed it upstream in debian yet.
[01:55] <bandit5432> wierd that its not effecting more people or maybe people dont see it
[01:56] <wylde> I always have a terminal open, I have yet to see that error
[01:56] <bandit5432> scratched head
[01:56] <bandit5432> scratches'
[01:57] <wylde> hmmm did you see comment #4
[01:57] <wylde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-mount/+bug/927828/comments/4
[01:57] <bandit5432> didnt know if i should try that a a fix or not
[01:57] <bandit5432> didnt read the upstream posts
[01:58] <wylde> yeah, I'm not sure that should have been marked as fix released.
[01:59] <wylde> I don't think it should have.
[01:59] <bandit5432> looks like they keep sending it back and forth between sudo and pam
[01:59] <bandit5432> you on x64?
[01:59] <wylde> I'm guessing that that's the soloution you have for now, until they actually fix it
[01:59] <wylde> yes I am
[02:00] <bandit5432> weird
[02:00] <wylde> I've had my fair share of bugs on 12.04 but not that one.
[02:00] <bandit5432> i will add a post to the bug i guess
[02:00] <wylde> can't hurt
[02:00] <bandit5432> which i hate doing :P
[02:01] <wylde> meh, just consider it your contribution to the community :)
[02:02] <wylde> bugs don't get fixed if they're not reported and sometimes a dev or two needs a swat to fix it too lol
[02:02] <bandit5432> i get tired of dealing with devs who tell me its a feature not a bug
[02:02] <wylde> lol
[02:02] <bandit5432> better than the kernel bisecting from last week though
[02:03] <Logan_> bandit5432: The "fix" looks more like a workaround.
[02:03] <Logan_> (In that bug.)
[02:04] <wylde> Logan_: exactly how I see it, and since it's not actually fixed in any package I don't think it should be listed as fix released.
[02:04] <bandit5432> well that does not make much of a fix if it was released
[02:04] <Logan_> wylde: Agreed.
[02:04] <Logan_> I can't change the status, it seems.
[02:05] <wylde> I can't either
[02:07] <bandit5432> i hate errors when i run commands
[02:09] <bandit5432> odd i can sudo ls -l fine but i cant sudo cat /etc/issue with out getting the error
[02:12] <bandit5432> its the save password bug fro sudo it appears which i dont know which package takes care of
[02:14] <bandit5432> could some one try and run multiple sudo commands from a  terminal and see if they get an error?
[02:14] <bandit5432> sudo ls -l ask for password sudo ls -l does not ask for password and possibly getting the error?
[02:18] <Will123456> does unity 5.8 still have the icon glass reflection effect on the dash?
[02:18] <Cameron> hi, I am using precise beta2, updated to current, and I seem to be getting a crash every so often that sends me back to the lightdm login screen.  How do I go about reporting this ? or even knowing which package is effected ?
[02:58] <ubuntu64bit> ok when is 12.04 being released? just curious
[02:58] <drklunk> why does my computer mess up when I enter "unity" into terminal?
[02:59] <jbicha> !schedule
[03:00] <drklunk> i was trying to see what version of unity I was using, so I typed unity version into the terminal and i couldnt use or type anything
[03:03] <bandit5432> drklunk, type unity --version to get the version
[03:03] <bandit5432> you can also type unity --help to show a list of other options
[03:06] <ubuntu64bit> drklunk: hmmm...i just typed unity in the terminal i see what your saying like it is trying to do some sort of process upgrade does that sound right?
[03:14] <Aethor> hi all :)   anyone here got any experience solving problems with Linux and Realtek RTL8111B   (r8168/r8169 driver)?
[03:31] <tanath> how come some windows are themed and others are not? for instance, synaptic is themed, but if i go to Settings > Repositories, the window is not themed
[03:31] <tanath> more importantly, how do i fix it
[03:32] <tanath> and why does every OS upgrade break my themes? >_<
[03:49] <NateW> I have a strange crash on 12.04. I can be doing work, or my computer will be idling and I get kicked to the login screen. All of the running applications are closed. I remember this happening on 11.10 when I upgraded the nvidia drivers to 295.20, but I'm not sure if it's related.
[03:51] <tanath> if X is crashing, then any GUI app running will also have closed. check ~/.xsession-errors
[03:52] <tanath> 'tail ~/.xsession-errors' in terminal for last 10 lines
[03:52] <NateW> Alright. I'll check that. I'd like to file a bug report, but not being sure of where to look for detailed info can make the bug report unhelpful.
[03:53] <tanath> use 'ubuntu-bug xorg'
[03:55] <NateW> I should do that briefly after a crash, correct?
[03:55] <tanath> most of the info gathered won't be dependent on that. anything specific you can add like from the log you should
[03:56] <tanath> gathers generic system info mostly, version numbers, etc
[03:56] <NateW> tanath: I'll probably do that after a crash to make sure that I can find relevant info that's as fresh as possible.
[03:57] <drklunk> how can I check what version of unity Im using?
[03:57] <tanath> you could just search your logs
[03:57] <NateW> I'm just not entirely sure of what's definitive enough.
[03:57] <tanath> apt-cache show unity
[03:57] <drklunk> thanks!
[03:57] <NateW> If I post part, can you let me know if you think it's causing it?
[03:57] <tanath> or 'apt-cache show unity | grep -i version'
[03:57] <tanath> for just the version
[03:57] <tanath> sure
[03:58] <NateW> http://paste.ubuntu.com/914055/
[03:58] <NateW> I think it may, but I want to be sure.
[03:59] <NateW> [I don't want to be creating invalid bug reports]
[03:59] <tanath> did you disconnect a device?
[03:59] <NateW> No.
[03:59] <tanath> or use wireless devices?
[04:00] <NateW> I have wireless, but I don't use it.
[04:00] <tanath> does the system know that?
[04:00] <NateW> ??
[04:00] <tanath> that's all complaining that a mounted device was unexpectedly unavailable
[04:01] <NateW> Then it's probably old.
[04:01] <tanath> like a usb drive that was just yanked, for instance
[04:01] <NateW> I probably did pull a device, but that's not what causes the X crash.
[04:01] <tanath> or a network path
[04:01] <NateW> Probably an FTP mount
[04:01] <tanath> well that's what that log stuff was about
[04:02] <tanath> although the invalid pointer thing may be relevant
[04:02] <NateW> I'm going to clear the log then, and see if it gets populated again when I get kicked.
[04:02] <tanath> possibly cause of X crash
[04:03] <NateW> Yeah, sometimes I just get it randomly though. I'll just have firefox open idle, and when I return [from making coffee or such] it will be sitting at the login screen.
[04:04] <tanath> you can also check 'dmesg | tail'
[04:05] <tanath> also, you can pass '-30', for instance as tail parameter to display more lines from end
[04:05] <tanath> tail -45 or whatever
[04:05] <NateW> I'll make sure to check everything I can as soon as I get a crash. Just uploading a large file, and then I'll try to get a crash.
[04:06] <tanath> heh
[04:06] <NateW> Usually ssh, ftp transfer, firefox download, rendering video == crash.
[04:06] <NateW> =P
[04:06] <NateW> Or it's just a coincidence.
[04:07] <tanath> that crash seems to be in a python app that uses QT for its GUI
[04:07] <anthropos> has anyone else experienced an issue whereby gnome-shell will occasionally become very slow to respond to keyboard input and mouse clicks? everything else is very responsive, and restarting gnome-shell does not fix it (but restarting the computer does)
[04:08] <tanath> anthropos, check logs when it happens?
[04:08] <anthropos> i did, nothing obvious (to me, anyways)
[04:08] <anthropos> the console ttys are 100 % responsive
[04:08] <anthropos> just not a terminal in gnome shell, for example
[04:09] <tanath> virtual terminals? or terminal emulators?
[04:09] <anthropos> ctrl+alt+f1, etc.
[04:09] <tanath> so vt
[04:09] <anthropos> yes, those are responsive.
[04:09] <tanath> they should be, even if X is bonkers
[04:09] <anthropos> but a terminal within gnome shell is extremely slow to respond to keyboard input. however, gnome shell itself is very fast still
[04:09] <anthropos> e.g. the window picker is not slowed at all
[04:10] <tanath> but what about other GUI apps?
[04:10] <anthropos> they are all fast except slow responsive to clicking or typing
[04:10] <tanath> i thought you said gnome-shell was slow
[04:10] <anthropos> *response
[04:10] <anthropos> no, i said keyboard input / mouse clicks are slow within gnome shell
[04:10] <anthropos> switching to unity fixes it (without reboot)
[04:10] <anthropos> but then if I switch back to gnome shell the issue returns
[04:11] <tanath> that's a little weird. do you use system resource monitor applets or anything?
[04:11] <anthropos> yeah, I use conky usually and nothing is hogging the cpu/mem/disk io
[04:12] <tanath> what window manager do you use?
[04:12] <anthropos> I just use whatever the defaults are for gnome-shell. I literally just installed gnome shell and then picked gnome at startup
[04:13] <tanath> should be metacity then
[04:13] <anthropos> could be. i think doing metacity --replace fixed it though, so im not sure it is
[04:13] <anthropos> i could be misremembering. unity --replace definitely fixed it
[04:13] <tanath> i haven't used gnome in 12.04 yet, but does alt+f2 still work?
[04:13] <anthropos> but again, it comes back as soon as i do gnome-shell --replace...
[04:13] <anthropos> yes, but restarting gnome shell doesn't fix it
[04:14] <tanath> next time try running 'metacity --replace' and see if that has any effect
[04:14] <tanath> lol
[04:14] <anthropos> k. I believe that fixes it, but I could be misremembering
[04:14] <tanath> yeah, that's just reloading the panel
[04:14] <anthropos> i don't see metacity running on my box right now so I'm not sure thats the wm i'm using
[04:14] <tanath> what video drivers you using?
[04:14] <anthropos> nvidia proprietary
[04:15] <tanath> you could also install fusion-icon which lets you reload your WM, or pick another on the fly
[04:16] <anthropos> will that work for gnome, i.e. even w/o compiz?
[04:16] <anthropos> *gnome-shell
[04:19] <tanath> ps -ef | grep metacity
[04:19] <tanath> ?
[04:19] <tanath> yes
[04:20] <tanath> compiz is one of the WMs you can choose
[04:22] <anthropos> metacity isn't running
[04:22] <anthropos> the grep command just returns itself
[04:22] <anthropos> I didn't think gnome-shell was compatible /w compiz
[04:22] <anthropos> i thought it used clutter
[04:23] <tanath> compiz is irrelevant
[04:24] <tanath> fusion-icon doesn't change your WM unless you tell it to
[04:24] <tanath> ok, apparently gnome 3 doesn't use metacity anymore then?
[04:25] <tanath> but if running it fixes your issue, then maybe you should switch to it
[04:25] <anthropos> interesting thought
[04:27] <tanath> do you see clutter running?
[04:28] <anthropos> no, but i find it hard to believe that it's not running under some name
[04:29] <tanath> do you have titlebars on your apps?
[04:29] <tanath> with close, maximize, minimize?
[04:31] <anthropos> no minimize or maximize, but yes I have titlebars
[04:31] <anthropos> it has close.
[04:31] <trism> the gnome-shell binary is linked with libmutter (so it is its own window manager, there isn't a separate process)
[04:31] <tanath> ok
[04:32] <tanath> then maybe file a bug report on gnome-shell
[04:33] <tanath> trism, perhaps you know how to get a consistent theme across apps?
[04:33] <tanath> every OS update breaks my themes, and then when i apply one it doesn't affect all apps :(
[04:34] <trism> tanath: if it doesn't apply to apps such as firefox but to others you are probably missing a gtk2 theme
[04:34] <trism> tanath: which theme are you using?
[04:35] <tanath> before upgrade to 12.04 i was using the audacious theme (aud-default), but that broke. so i switched to darklooks, but half my apps aren't themed
[04:36] <tanath> like, synaptic is themed, but if i go to Settings > Repositories, that's not. nor is epiphany, etc...
[04:37] <tanath> i'm using xfce btw
[04:37] <trism> tanath: yeah, that is a gtk2 gtk3 thing, synaptic uses gtk2, but software-properties-gtk is gtk3
[04:37] <trism> tanath: you'll need to find a theme that provides both
[04:38] <tanath> TBH, the only themes i can find that i want to use, are pretty much the audacious theme, or darklooks
[04:38] <tanath> i'm rather picky. unfortunately i don't know how to do my own themes. if i could i'd fix audacious, most likely
[04:39] <tanath> i read on a forum thread that upgrading to audacious 3 would fix it to work with gtk3, but i have version 3 and no joy
[04:42] <OffGridOps> 12.04 upgrade from 11.10:  I have no sidebar (Unity I guess its called) nor do I have a top bar (signal, time, etc.)  I can access terminal.  Anything I need to install so I can use the system?  Thanx!
[04:43] <tanath> OffGridOps, sounds like you'd rather use gnome. try logging out, and choosing gnome when you log in
[04:43] <tanath> (click user, then choose your session, then enter password)
[04:43] <OffGridOps> ok, brb and thanx!
[04:43] <tanath> np
[04:44] <bandit5432> i must be stupid how do i change volume with scroll under gnome classic?
[04:45] <tanath> usually you can scroll wheel on the volume icon in tray. is that what you mean?
[04:45] <tanath> as long as the mouse is over the icon
[04:45] <bandit5432> yes its not working for me middle click mutes and un mutes
[04:45] <tanath> TIL i can middle-click it too...
[04:46] <trism> bandit5432: yes middle click mutes unmutes but scrolling the wheel should change the volume
[04:46] <bandit5432> i have to click the icon then scroll over the volume bar to get it to change
[04:46] <tanath> verify your scroll wheel is working?
[04:46] <tanath> mm
[04:46] <tanath> sounds like a bug
[04:46] <bandit5432> weird
[04:47] <tanath> try removing it and readding it?
[04:47] <tanath> or just reloading the panel
[04:47] <trism> bandit5432: what are you scrolling with, mouse wheel, touchpad, ...?
[04:48] <bandit5432> mouse wheel
[04:48] <trism> hmm
[04:48] <tanath> trism, that _shouldn't_ matter, but could it?
[04:48] <bandit5432> i remove indicator applet and added it back do i need to gnome-panel kill?
[04:49] <tanath> gnome-panel --replace will suffice
[04:49] <trism> removing and readding will restart it, you don't need to kill the panel
[04:49] <trism> you don't actually even need to remove/re-add, you can: killall indicator-applet-complete and click Restart
[04:49] <bandit5432> nope
[04:50] <tanath> why kill it when you can do it gracefully?
[04:50] <tanath> 'gnome-panel --replace'
[04:50] <bandit5432> thats what i did
[04:50] <tanath> mmk
[04:50] <bandit5432> i dont remember all the commands so i just use what works
[04:51] <tanath> trism, not sure you can assume that's which indicator applet he's using
[04:51] <tanath> there's several
[04:51] <bandit5432> i am using the default ot i assume default one let me get a version number
[04:51] <tanath> might want to file a bug report
[04:52] <bandit5432> Indicator Applet Complete 0.4.92
[04:52] <trism> tanath: yes I am aware, but indicator-applet-complete is added in the default setup
[04:52] <bandit5432> wish i could just add gtk2 volume ctonrol to the panel
[04:53] <tanath> i believe you can... but since i don't use gnome anymore i can't recall how
[04:53] <tanath> i think it's in the add panel items dialog though
[04:54] <bandit5432> nope cant add gtk2 things to the gtk3 panels i dont think
[04:55] <tanath> right, i think there is a way, i just don't recall..
[04:55] <trism> bandit5432: ahh it is broken here too, I was pretty sure I tested that
[04:56] <trism> bandit5432: and yes you could use gnome-sound-applet if you preferred, it will show up in the notification area
[04:56] <tanath> hrm, maybe not
[04:56] <bandit5432> grumbles probably not a bug probably a feature
[04:56] <trism> bandit5432: I'll take a look a fixing indicator-applet tomorrow though
[04:56] <tanath> but yeah, there should be other options
[04:56] <bandit5432> ty
[04:57] <bandit5432> i keep finding bugs and i dont like that i have to many going right now
[04:57] <tanath> that's one of the reasons i use xfce now :-/
[04:58] <tanath> though i like it
[04:58] <Agent_bob> how smooth is the new release so far ?       will an "old" linux hand "cli oriented" be able to stand all the bells and whistels ?
[04:58] <tanath> i heard good things about unity, so i decided to give it another shot. it's not even usable :(
[04:59] <tanath> Agent_bob, depends on whether they're useful for you
[04:59] <bandit5432> tanath, i have lxde xfce installed as well
[04:59] <Agent_bob> bells and whistels useful?
[04:59] <tanath> (and work)
[04:59] <Agent_bob>  /blinks
[04:59] <bandit5432> i kept with gnome-classic from last realease untill now
[05:00] <tanath> lol, yes. extra stuff may not be necessary for you, but can be to others. what constitutes "bells and whistles" is subjective
[05:00] <tanath> bandit5432, yeah
[05:00] <tanath> Agent_bob, i use a number of compiz plugins that would be bells and whistles to most, but i would really hate to do without
[05:01] <tanath> like the negative plugin. i find useful. not for everyone though
[05:01] <bandit5432> i agree tanath  each person has a certain way they want things to work and whats bells and whistles to one is required by another
[05:02] <tanath> negative plugin is great when my dark themes are broken (as is the case every upgrade). then i can invert the window and yay
[05:02] <bandit5432> lol
[05:03] <tanath> \o/
[05:03] <Agent_bob> i used ubuntu 6.6 until 9.10 came out...  tried 10.4   couldn't stand it.    stuck with debian until... well still using it.    on knoppix atm.    is ubuntu 12.4 more the same dirrection that 10.4 was headed or did it reset somewhere along the way?      i guess what i'm asking is.   saw it designed to impress "windows" USERS?
[05:03] <Agent_bob> saw/was/
[05:04] <tanath> Agent_bob, what's the prob with 10.04?
[05:04] <tanath> 12.04 seems to be more stable than most previous releases, though unity is still a horrible mess
[05:04] <bandit5432> Agent_bob, the same direction and then some with gnome taking another direction in the middle of those releases
[05:04] <Agent_bob> nothing if you only install the server and can get along with upstart    ;/
[05:04] <tanath> (in my experience anyway)
[05:05] <tanath> Agent_bob, i think it's more focused on tablet/touch screens actually
[05:05] <tanath> windows 8 is going that way too
[05:05] <OffGridOps> no go.  i selected cairo dock w/gnome and it still is the same.  The only options are cairo with gnome listed twice with white circles (clicking them does nothing and sends me back for the password), ubuntu 2d/ubuntu (both have the ubuntu logo in the white circle and xbmc with a white circle
[05:05] <bandit5432> the only redeeming thing is how bad windows 8
[05:05] <Agent_bob> bandit5432   ah.   ok.   thanks.     well i'll give it a look sometime maybe.
[05:05] <tanath> windows 8 gets a lot of hate, but it's making steps in the right direction
[05:05] <bandit5432> Agent_bob, might want to try mint with cinamin or mate
[05:06] <bandit5432> windows 8 needs to be 2 os's not 1
[05:06] <tanath> it's a lot faster, and improved accessibility for many things once you give it 5 mins to learn the interface if it's not intuitive for you
[05:06] <tanath> bandit5432, hm?
[05:06] <bandit5432> its the same issue that alot of us have with unity, something great on a tablet does not = great on a desktop
[05:06] <Agent_bob> bandit5432   heh    ok   but for now i get along with debian just fine.
[05:07] <tanath> i agree, they went a bit far with that
[05:07] <NateW> tanath: finally got it.
[05:07] <tanath> NateW, mm?
[05:07] <tanath> Agent_bob, would you consider yourself an advanced linux user? know what you're doing?
[05:07] <bandit5432> if he said yes you wouldnt believe him would you?
[05:07] <OffGridOps> tanath: is there a way to select that I am missing?  tried to click (right/left), double click, space bar, etc
[05:08] <tanath> lol
[05:08] <tanath> OffGridOps, for panel items? i believe it's alt+win click.
[05:08] <NateW> tanath: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914102/
[05:08] <tanath> one of the stupidest design regressions, IMO
[05:08] <tanath> alt+win, right-click that is
[05:09] <OffGridOps> ok trying now
[05:09] <NateW> tanath: except some of the lines are missing, let me paste again
[05:10] <tanath> NateW, i don't see anything that looks serious there
[05:10] <tanath> mm
[05:10] <OffGridOps> tanath: nope, not alt-win rt click or left or ctrl win rt or left.
[05:11] <bandit5432> OffGridOps, whats the problem?
[05:11] <tanath> it is right click, and there is a win...
[05:11] <tanath> try win+rt-click
[05:11] <OffGridOps> ok doing it again after reboot
[05:11] <tanath> bandit5432, IIRC, he's trying to add panel items
[05:12] <NateW> tanath: sorry, the end of the file was missing, here is the full one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914105/
[05:12] <OffGridOps> yeah i have the win key i will try it rt click and then win key thanx 4 helping me BTW!
[05:13] <tanath> NateW, are you logged in on multiple VTs?
[05:13] <NateW> No
[05:13] <tanath> weird your X server is on 1.0 instead of 0.0
[05:13] <tanath> did it crash and reload?
[05:13] <NateW> I actually get a completely black screen if I switch to another VT
[05:13] <NateW> It crashed and reloaded.
[05:14] <NateW> So I can't use any of the vt's except f7.
[05:14] <NateW> (Which is X)
[05:14] <bandit5432> ewww
[05:14] <tanath> i don't see anything that looks like a cause of an X crash
[05:14] <bandit5432> you might have to high of a res and or no console loading
[05:14] <OffGridOps> rt then win did not work.  is there a way to simply force it through terminal or hot keys so i can at least navigate?  all my folders are on the screen, but if i cant have some kind of GUI to get to programs etc it would b a problem
[05:15] <tanath> OffGridOps, win+rt
[05:15] <bandit5432> no should be alt+right click
[05:15] <OffGridOps> did that earlier and nothing.
[05:15] <tanath> OffGridOps, ctrl, alt, win, shift, are all modifier keys. you hold them while tapping something else
[05:15] <bandit5432> some people have to switch to the other alt key
[05:15] <OffGridOps> i understand
[05:15] <NateW> anything in here [dmesg]: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914109/
[05:16] <bandit5432> OffGridOps,  have you updated  ??
[05:16] <NateW> I see it I think: segfault in nvidia_drv.so
[05:16] <tanath> "Disabling freq 2484 MHz..." o_O
[05:16] <bandit5432> i had a problem with beta1 panel crashing and i could not change anything
[05:16] <OffGridOps> yup sudo apt-get update
[05:16] <OffGridOps> i had the bars before i updated a couple hours ago
[05:16] <bandit5432> you dont have any panels?
[05:17] <OffGridOps> the update had me file all kinds of launchpad bugs through my acct  no no panels anywhere
[05:17] <tanath> NateW, the second drive needs to be checked: EXT4-fs (sdb1): warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended
[05:17] <NateW> I saw that. I'll fsck it tonight.
[05:17] <tanath> NateW, can check with gparted
[05:17] <tanath> mmk
[05:17] <NateW> 3tb.
[05:17] <bandit5432> OffGridOps, are you running gnome classic with effects or with out?
[05:17] <tanath> NateW, that could be causing all kinds of issues, including x crashing
[05:18] <NateW> what about the Xorg segfault =P
[05:18] <tanath> openshot crashed
[05:18] <bandit5432> OffGridOps, another thing is this a a fresh profile or is it an old one?
[05:18] <NateW> 3 segfaults: line 57, 64, 71
[05:18] <OffGridOps> i am at the login screen now i tried both and nothing will apply the ubuntu logo to anything but ubuntu and ubuntu 2d  my issue is that basically
[05:18] <tanath> caused issue in nvidia driver
[05:18] <NateW> or 2, not sure what the last is.
[05:18] <tanath> could have crashed due to file system errors, possibly :P
[05:19] <bandit5432> OffGridOps, make sure you installed gnome-panel
[05:19] <OffGridOps> is there a way via terminal to do it?
[05:19] <NateW> whats the [#####.####] at the beginning, time?
[05:19] <bandit5432> yes
[05:19] <bandit5432> sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[05:19] <tanath> NateW, not actually sure. possibly
[05:19] <tanath> it is incremental, so that's been my guess
[05:19] <OffGridOps> that may be the issue i dont know it worked today what happens when i click alt rt click is that the white circle stays white and then orage highlights the perimiter
[05:19] <NateW> I'm thinking it is.
[05:20] <NateW> So the openshot crash was way before hte xorg one.
[05:20] <NateW> *the
[05:20] <bandit5432> OffGridOps, so you have not even logged in yet?
[05:20] <tanath> except the high variability in values
[05:20] <NateW> true.
[05:20] <tanath> NateW, don't think you can assume that
[05:20] <NateW> When it crashed, openshot wasnt running.
[05:20] <NateW> That was hours ago.
[05:21] <NateW> I'm thinking it's the nvidia driver, no?
[05:21] <NateW> [nvidia_drv.so]
[05:21] <bandit5432> bah my menus are not alphabetically sorted again
[05:21] <NateW> On 11.10 I was running fine, then updated to 295.22 and then had the exact same issue as now.
[05:21] <tanath> well you might want to file a bug report with these: [30168.523350] Xorg[5066] general protection ip:7f4d37605af9 sp:7fff1c0b65f0 error:0 in nvidia_drv.so[7f4d375a4000+6e0000]
[05:21] <tanath> as i said, yes
[05:22] <tanath> use jockey to try a different driver?
[05:22] <NateW> Alright, and I should start by using "ubuntu-bug xorg"?
[05:22] <snadge> lol @ people having problem with nvidia drivers.. thats unpossible!
[05:22] <tanath> NateW, well, it looks to be in the nvidia driver actually
[05:22] <trism> bandit5432: just for informations sake, I fixed the indicator-applet scroll bug, just needed to add GDK_SCROLL_MASK which was added in the newer gtk, I'll submit a bug and push it up tomorrow when I am not half asleep
[05:22] <NateW> haha.. I havent had issues with the drivers until 295.22 was released.
[05:22] <tanath> NateW, so figure out what nvidia package you're using and do that one
[05:23] <NateW> for 5 years now.
[05:23] <bandit5432> trism, awesome ty so much
[05:23] <tanath> snadge, :P
[05:23] <NateW> =P
[05:23] <NateW> so, ubuntu-bug <nvidia-package-name>?
[05:23] <tanath> mm
[05:23] <NateW> [just double checking]
[05:23] <bandit5432> now thats what i call bug fixing
[05:24] <hhoh> to do bug fixing what we have to do basically
[05:24] <hhoh> bandit5432,
[05:24] <bandit5432> must get tiring actually unless you like coding
[05:25] <hhoh> bandit5432,  ok you mean we have to understand that thing , what it can do
[05:25] <bandit5432> yes
[05:25] <snadge> you nvidia users need to sell your nvidia trash.. and buy amd/ati.. so you know what real driver quality means
[05:25]  * snadge chuckles
[05:25] <NateW> Alright, I should be able to do the rest. Thanks for your help tanath.
[05:25] <bandit5432> snadge, ahaha
[05:26] <tanath> i've never been able to put much stock in people's claims to one being better than the other
[05:26] <hhoh> bandit5432,  ok suppose a bug filed in launchpad , whats the first steop we have to do for that
[05:26] <hhoh> stp
[05:26] <tanath> ati and nvidia both have issues
[05:26] <bandit5432> you have to verify its actually a bug
[05:26] <snadge> the radeon driver is actually pretty good.. if you dont care so much about games performance
[05:27] <tanath> snadge, got anything without such a caveat? :P
[05:27] <snadge> so amd wins on open drivers.. nvidia edges ahead slightly with proprietary ones.. but have seemed to regressed in recent times.. almost as much as amd has improved ;)
[05:27] <tanath> nvidia joined linux foundation
[05:27] <tanath> etc, etc
[05:27] <bandit5432> i need to stop finding bugs
[05:27] <tanath> bandit5432, why would you say such a thing?
[05:28] <stuntman_dan> ahoy!
[05:28] <snadge> 12.04 needs to be perfect
[05:28] <bandit5432> i hate posting bug reports!
[05:28] <snadge> ive clicked me too on heaps of reports
[05:28] <tanath> at least ubuntu-bug makes it easy
[05:28] <snadge> and occasionally made a flippant comment :P
[05:28] <bandit5432> 1 kernel bug 1 libreoffice several precise bugs the last 2 weeks i am tired
[05:29] <snadge> haha
[05:29] <tanath> lol
[05:29] <tanath> why grammar matters ^
[05:30] <bandit5432> 1651 comments to many to read
[05:31] <stuntman_dan> does anyone have any experience getting their amd switchable graphics set up?
[05:31] <bandit5432> i am out night nights
[05:32] <NateW> well, that's finished. Hopefully it gets fixed. Otherwise, I'll be downgrading drivers to an older version.
[05:32] <NateW> I think it was 290.xx or something like that.
[05:34] <OffGridOps> sorry my son was crying had to fix a bottle.  it is installing the gnome package now
[05:34] <snadge> my son sucks on his mothers booby
[05:34] <snadge> i got out of that task :p
[05:36] <OffGridOps> done installing rebooting now
[05:36] <NateW> tanath: seems i have a bad sector. Time for warranty. =D
[05:36] <tanath> well, i'm going to dodge that conversation. bye bye
[05:37] <tanath> mm
[05:41] <OffGridOps> so what i have now is gnome with and without effects (footprints on each), ubuntu and ubuntu 2d (w/ubuntu logo) and it displays the top bar with the stuff normally there; however, the left hand side bar with all the icons is not there
[05:42] <OffGridOps> much better at least.  do i need to manually install the left bar now somehow?
[06:24] <LetterRip> hi all is zram swap enabled by default?
[06:37] <stuntman_dan> hey is anyone around that can give me a hand interpreting this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11712748
[06:52] <dubaco> i have a streaming issue, in ubuntu 12 i think it's ip tables
[06:53] <dubaco> the issue is this: when i stream sound in windows it works fine, but in ubuntu it wont as the page says i have insufficent bandwidth - i have a 10mb connection
[06:55] <dubaco> *we are talking about bbc iplayer
[07:06] <MechanisM> I'm creating online gtk2/gtk3 theme generator. Anyone interested in this project to help me?
[08:25] <Rabenklaue> Hi, I'm curious about the new things in Qt5.0 especially QtQuick2.0 and therefore added ppa:forumnokia/fn-ppa (via apt-add-repository) to my kubuntu packaging system. But I'm unable to find any qt5-* packages.
[08:25] <Rabenklaue> I ran "apt-get update" but "apt-cache search qt5" does not give any results (except libmgl-qt5 - which is not relevant for me).
[08:25] <glosoli> qt5 isn't out yet
[08:26] <glosoli> Rabenklaue: or is it ?
[08:29] <Rabenklaue> glosoli: No it is not out, yet (only in beta state)
[08:29] <glosoli> Rabenklaue: anyway looking forward to it, that's gonna be something goood! :>
[08:29] <Rabenklaue> But I hoped to get it from ppa:forumnokia/fn-ppa , which actually seem to include qt5 stuff
[08:30] <glosoli> Rabenklaue: does that ppa has precise support
[08:30] <glosoli>  ?
[08:31] <Rabenklaue> glosoli: It looks, as it has: http://ppa.launchpad.net/forumnokia/fn-ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/
[08:32] <glosoli> Rabenklaue: it isn't
[08:32] <glosoli> Rabenklaue: check folder, they are empty :)
[08:32] <Rabenklaue> Hmm, well - ok...
[08:33] <Rabenklaue> Hoped it might be as easy getting bleeding edge stuff as I was accustomed using gentoo.
[08:34] <glosoli> Rabenklaue: it is supposed to mean just they will be building it for precise when the right time comes
[08:34] <Rabenklaue> Well, than I'll have to compilie it manually
[08:34] <Rabenklaue> glosoli: Thanks anyway
[08:35] <glosoli> Rabenklaue: Precise is still in beta, you can't even get GIMP 2.7.x in it with ppa in Oneiric you can
[08:35] <glosoli> :)
[08:48] <c0rnel> what's the way to log into the old style gnome?
[08:48] <foobArrr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-plugins-main/+bug/878820    Do I understand that right: cycling through window sizes with compiz grid doesn't work on 12.04 (and 11.10), and that is intentional and will not change?
[08:54] <c0rnel> salut
[08:55] <c0rnel> ctrl-z :)
[09:03] <scientes> c0rnel, just select gnome-classic from the menu, when the ubuntu icon is next to your login name
[09:03] <scientes> you might have to install it, im not sure
[09:03]  * scientes uses gnome-shell
[09:05] <c0rnel> scientes, it's not there, gnome-session-fallback is the package name?
[09:18] <FreeRun> hi
[09:19] <FreeRun> I have problem with dhclient IP renew under 12.04
[09:19] <FreeRun> services also don't work to renew address
[09:23] <scientes> c0rnel, yes, gnome-session-fallback will give you gnome-class
[09:23]  * scientes is not sure if only debian renamed it gnome classic over upstream's "fallback:
[09:23] <c0rnel> thank you scientes
[09:23] <scientes> fedora is trying to push gnome-shell so hard that they implamented llvmpipe to do CPU rendering
[09:23]  * c0rnel knows that :)
[09:24] <c0rnel> i also know that is not working as planned on his ol netbook
[09:24] <c0rnel> this
[09:28] <FreeRun> how to realase dhclient under 12.04
[09:28] <FreeRun> when i'm trying with dhclient eth0 don't work
[09:29] <c0rnel>  man dhclient | grep release -C5
[09:29] <FreeRun> thx
[09:29] <c0rnel> np
[09:31] <FreeRun> hmm... i'm trying to release another time but its not work
[09:32] <FreeRun> could you write me correct syntax to do that?
[09:33] <FreeRun> i don't know whats wrong
[09:34] <FreeRun> o...
[09:34] <FreeRun> its work now
[09:37] <FreeRun> after today upgrade usage of ram dropped by half
[09:37] <FreeRun> and super key function starting correct after restart
[09:37] <FreeRun> in mac book pro 3.1 with pommed installed
[09:39] <scientes> FreeRun, despite using dhclient alot, i've never had to release a lease
[09:39] <scientes> is this in a VM on VMware fusion or Parallels FreeRun ?
[09:39] <FreeRun> i have two networks, one wifi antoher cooper 1gb
[09:39] <scientes> or is it native ubuntu install?
[09:40] <scientes> yeah, but networkmanager usually deals with hotpluggin pretty transparently
[09:40] <FreeRun> when i'm restarting sometimes firs connect wifi but when i'm disabling it and using eth0
[09:40] <scientes> if you are actually physically unplugging a cable
[09:40] <FreeRun> its don't work
[09:40] <scientes> you can just uncheck wireless in the networking menu
[09:40] <scientes> in the top right
[09:40] <FreeRun> in 10.04 lts i was typin # dhclient eth0
[09:41] <FreeRun> and everything was ok
[09:41] <scientes> you should avoid using dhclient directly
[09:41] <phaidros> hi, is there any way to get Alt-F10 or another useful shortcut back to maximize windows?
[09:41] <scientes> you have to bring down the wifi
[09:41] <FreeRun> hmm... ok, and what is the better solution?
[09:41] <scientes> FreeRun, if you want to disable it
[09:41] <scientes> FreeRun, use Networkmanager, in the top right
[09:42] <FreeRun> ok, and how to refresh IP?
[09:42] <FreeRun> on eth0
[09:42] <scientes> phaidros, system settings,
[09:42] <scientes> phaidros, finding sub-menu...
[09:43] <scientes> phaidros, keyboard->:shortcuts
[09:43] <scientes> FreeRun, you dont have to refresh ip, you just want to turn off the wifi
[09:43] <FreeRun> ok, i will check
[09:44] <scientes> FreeRun, also, you never said if you are running the ubuntu on the hardware, or in a virtual environment
[09:44] <FreeRun> hardware
[09:44] <FreeRun> mac book pro 3.1 with 10.04lts no problems
[09:44] <scientes> FreeRun, you might also want to look into the fn_mode kernel parameter for your function keys
[09:45] <scientes> FreeRun, did you install dnsmasq manually in your 10.04 by chance?
[09:45] <FreeRun> i'm using pommed and now its quite ok
[09:45] <scientes> (unlikely)
[09:45] <phaidros> scientes: thanx. A bit odd place for the shortcuts, usually they have been in top menu in gnome :)
[09:45] <FreeRun> hmm.. i don't remember
[09:45] <phaidros> (/me was fiddling with ccsm with no luck so far :)
[09:45] <scientes> you would probably know FreeRun so lets ignore it
[09:46] <FreeRun> ok, wifi turned off
[09:46] <FreeRun> eth0 without address
[09:46] <foobArrr> I'm just trying 12.04, because of the grid issue mentioned above. http://s3.imgimg.de/uploads/gridf7673b6cjpg.jpg <- what is this <Primary> key?
[09:46] <scientes> FreeRun, can you paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:47] <FreeRun> hmm... its. on another machine i must rewrite it :)
[09:47] <FreeRun> what you want to know?
[09:47] <phaidros> as we are with network manager already here, I have another one: using the vpn feature of the network manager, I get 127.0.0.1 as nameserver in resolv.conf. there the nameserver of the remote network (vpn) is configured, but simply doesnt work .. any hints on that?
[09:47] <scientes> foobArrr, primary is left-click, if you have right-handed mouse setup, and right click for right-hand mouse layout
[09:47] <phaidros> s/there/in dnsmasq/
[09:48] <scientes> phaidros, that is because networkmanager now embeds dnsmasq
[09:48] <scientes> this causes people who try to set up their own custom dnsmasq setups
[09:48] <phaidros> scientes: yeah, dnsmasq gets the remote dns server added, but seems not to use it ..
[09:48] <scientes> to have problems
[09:48] <scientes> (like me)
[09:48] <foobArrr> Oo how do you press ctrl+super+left+mouse with only two hands?
[09:48] <phaidros> scientes: argh, sounds like no fun
[09:48] <scientes> phaidros, look at the command line to the dnsmasq instance, NM is writing a special config file
[09:49] <scientes> foobArrr, that is left as an excercise to the reader :P
[09:49] <scientes> foobArrr, oh, wait, that could also mean the primary control buttom, i.e. left control
[09:50] <foobArrr> left control + super + left works, thanks
[09:51] <madrazr> Hello everyone, I had asked this a couple of days earlier but with no luck, asking again
[09:52] <scientes> phaidros, yes, while dnsmasq is good software, it should either use system-wide dnsmasq setup, or access its own dnsmasq over a AF_UNIX socket instead of hogging port 53
[09:52] <scientes> (IMHO)
[09:52] <madrazr> I am using Unity 2D and using CCSM I changed the keybindings of HUD from Alt to Alt+Super
[09:52] <phaidros> scientes: I agree
[09:52] <scientes> the socket solution  probably requires more invasive changes, so it wasn't done
[09:52] <madrazr> but every time I do Alt+Tab I still get that HUD thing which is very annoying
[09:52] <foobArrr> and cycling through window sizes really doesn't work anymore, that sucks. :/
[09:52] <scientes> and wouldn't work with propritary crap perhaps
[09:52] <madrazr> how do I fix this, can some one help me please?
[09:52] <phaidros> just out of curiosity, where does nm take the server=/domain.tld/1.2.3.4 from in case of vpn?
[09:52] <phaidros> (found in /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf)
[09:52] <madrazr> I am on 12.04 beta 2
[09:54] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  in kubuntu precise 11.04,   my kmail isn't working with googlemail anymore..  it always says:  "login failed server replied A000002 NO invalid credentials (Failure) [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED]  I definitly know that my password and username arecoorect as well as the settings since it used to work in kubuntu 11.04 and I didn't change anything just upgraded to precise
[09:54] <howlymowly> i mean it used to work in kubuntu 11.10
[09:55] <howlymowly> and right now aI have 12.04 :)
[09:55] <howlymowly> sorry
[10:02] <blami> hmm it seems that adobe flash player causes flicker in launcher. Anybody else affected by this bug?
[10:02] <scientes> blami, "launcher"?
[10:03] <scientes> phaidros, man dnsmasq.conf ?
[10:03] <blami> scientes: yep i don't know how to name it - left bar with icons
[10:04] <scientes> blami, ahh, thats called "unity" and its a ubuntu thing, is the flikr directly above flash player in the "HUD" from clicking the ubuntu icon ?
[10:04] <blami> scientes: every time flash content is launched inside chromium new icon quickly pops and dissapears causing minor flicker
[10:04] <scientes> blami, what is the icon?
[10:05] <blami> scientes: well I tought that unity is whole desktop including dash, global menu and other ubuntu specific things
[10:05] <scientes> blami, unity is an extention to compiz
[10:06] <Fudge> does kubuntu need a 3d graphics card? i get error when using startx cant load fglrx, when i use that drive my xorg goes to 100% cpu though
[10:06] <scientes> Fudge, are you using precise?
[10:06] <Fudge> yes
[10:06] <scientes> then the FOSS radeon driver is pretty good
[10:06] <Fudge> i used the amd driver from their site and it still gave me problems, just took longer to do it though
[10:07] <scientes> and you really should use fglrx with recent kernels IMHO
[10:07] <Fudge> what's FOSS stand for
[10:07] <scientes> as radeon has made alot of progress
[10:07] <scientes> Free and Open Source Software
[10:07] <scientes> Free as in freedom
[10:07] <scientes> the "radeon" driver is FOSS
[10:07] <scientes> unlike the fglrx one
[10:07] <blami> scientes: rather than that I believe to information from http://unity.ubuntu.com/ :)
[10:08] <Fudge> everything is updated daily
[10:08] <scientes> sounds like kwin is blacklisting radeon
[10:08] <Fudge> im on 3.2.0-20
[10:08] <scientes> Fudge, precise hasn't been released, so yes alot of packages are updating
[10:08] <Fudge> yep i'm aware of that, been using it since alpha 1, thanks though :)
[10:09] <blami> scientes: nm I will report bug against unity
[10:09] <scientes> blami, http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/unity
[10:09] <scientes> its a plugin to compiz
[10:09] <scientes> but yes, it is very core to ubuntu
[10:10] <scientes> and is ALSO implamented as a standalone along with metacity (unity-2d)
[10:10] <scientes> blami, reporting a bug is a good idea, DO include a screenshot showing what you are talking about
[10:11] <blami> scientes: ok
[10:11] <ironhalik> hmm, how would you compare nouveau to whatever opensource drivers ATI cards use?
[10:12] <Fudge> scientes  I hope this helps you gain an idea of my hardware, http://paste.ubuntu.com/914326/
[10:12] <ironhalik> Im thinking about some mid/low end card for my ubuntu desktop, and nouveaus are quite problematic
[10:13] <scientes> ironhalik, https://ickle.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/cairo-performance-on-radeon/ https://ickle.wordpress.com/2012/03/30/cairo-performance-on-ion/
[10:13] <blami> ironhalik: why don't go with intel? Unity works well on my X3100
[10:14] <scientes> nvidia is currently the best graphics driver avaible for linux performance wise, if you want FOSS go with radeon
[10:14] <scientes> ironhalik, also, in my experience nouveau varies alot over the differn't nvidia subarchs
[10:15] <ironhalik> I get quite a performance hit on nouveau
[10:15] <ironhalik> and binary drivers cause Xorg to eat my cpu
[10:15] <scientes> of which the one i'm using currently nv40 is supposedly being rewritten ATM, so i cant run gnome-shell with it (yet)
[10:15] <scientes> but i look forward to switching to nouveau
[10:15] <ironhalik> blami: to go with intel, I would need to change the whole platform :)
[10:16] <blami> ironhalik: aha ;)
[10:16] <scientes> ironhalik, i've gotten good experience with the radeon driver on ATI
[10:16] <scientes> but only for desktop work, not games
[10:16] <scientes> games only work well with nvidia propritary in my experience
[10:16] <blami> ironhalik: only problem i've had with my previous ati-based workstation was suspend
[10:17]  * scientes has working suspend with radeon driver, while nvidia has corruption issues after suspend
[10:23] <Fudge> scientes  I already have isntalled xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[10:23] <Fudge> maybe that is why the fglrx driver was giving me issues?
[10:24] <scientes> no, you can use fglrx with the radeon driver installed
[10:24] <scientes> but you have to reboot after install fglrx
[10:24] <scientes> cause you cant really unload the radeon driver after you have loaded it
[10:25] <scientes> the problem is that kde is asking for fglrx
[10:25] <scientes> you really dont need it
[10:29] <Fudge> scientes  its actually kubuntu-desktop I have installed on ubuntu but same anyway I guess, when ever I install fglrx and reboot xorg goes to 100 cpu and i dont know how to kill zomby process, i have to ssh into this box to try and fix and usually ends up in a apt-get remove and reboot
[10:30] <Ian_Corne> zombi processes are killed by init.d
[10:30] <Ian_Corne> I think
[10:30] <snadge> lol.. fglrx
[10:30] <snadge> i feel your pain Fudge
[10:30] <snadge> except kde? what are you.. on drugs? :P
[10:31] <Fudge> snadge  i think so, I was just wanting to look at it for acessibility to see how orca was coming along with it
[10:31] <Fudge> same with xubuntu-desktop, should see the updates daily I get loL
[10:31] <Fudge> Ian_Corne  are you saying they should be killed automatically?
[10:31] <scientes> Fudge, then dont install fglrx, the OS would be better without it, and I for one, think it is the time----ubuntu use to have a big warning against propritary drivers, but now they are slacking on their commitment to FOSS
[10:32] <scientes> Fudge, here is an intro to FOSS: www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[10:32] <Fudge> how can I make kubuntu not try and load it though scientes
[10:33] <scientes> Fudge, i'm not sure, sounds like a bug to me, considering how good radeon is these days
[10:33] <Fudge> I have put a xorg.conf in X11 telling it to use vesa but think I need to restart X for it to attempt to work, to see if it helps
[10:33] <Fudge> scientes  I have not come across anyone in here that has had problems with 100% cpu on xorg when using fglrx.
[10:33] <scientes> ugggh versa is horrible, use radeon
[10:33] <scientes> yeah, kde wont work with vesa
[10:34] <scientes> but it should work with radeon
[10:34] <Fudge> should I need to configure it do you think or jsut let ubuntu do what it does in relation to xorg
[10:34] <phaidros> scientes, the answer was, that vpn server just pushed a wrong domain. so nm gets the dns foo from the vpn server's pushed stanzas
[10:34] <scientes> phaidros, yep
[10:34] <snadge> lets be realistic.. the free drivers suck
[10:35] <scientes> snadge, radeon works fine
[10:35] <snadge> thats why theres no crusade against them.. due to pragmatism
[10:35] <scientes> and fglrx sucks snadge
[10:35] <Fudge> well im blind so 3d support i dont really care for, but i do want stuff to work
[10:35] <snadge> no radeon does not work fine
[10:35] <snadge> it sucks balls
[10:35] <scientes> snadge, fglrx sucks
[10:35] <snadge> if all you want to do is run compiz.. on a desktop pc.. then maybe its fine
[10:35] <snadge> radeon has no power management.. woeful 3d performance
[10:35] <snadge> hdmi audio out.. doesnt work
[10:36] <snadge> no video acceleration
[10:36] <scientes> snadge, if you want real perfornce fglrx sucks, and radeon DOES have power management, it is only turned on by default in 3.2+
[10:36] <scientes> snadge, also, hdmi audio works, i am using it
[10:36] <snadge> with a kernel thats .... not supported
[10:36] <scientes> not supposed by who snadge ?
[10:36] <scientes> 3.2 is precise
[10:37] <snadge> well last time i checked out radeon.. it failed.. im not saying the proprietary drivers are infinitely superior.. thats far from the case, but they are better for the most part.. for most peopel
[10:37] <scientes> and hdmi audio for evergreen is in 3.3
[10:37] <scientes> snadge, no the propretary fglrx sucks balls
[10:37] <scientes> nvidia is a reasonable driver
[10:37] <scientes> but fglrx is horrible
[10:37] <snadge> you need mesa 8.1 for decent 3d performance
[10:37] <snadge> and last time i tried it.. my computer rebooted after 5 minutes of playing minecraft
[10:38] <snadge> and you have to enable experimental options
[10:38] <snadge> that arn't enabled by default
[10:38] <scientes> thats not true
[10:38] <scientes> anyways, take your rant somewhere else
[10:38] <snadge> if you want more than 5 frames per second.. its true
[10:38] <snadge> and even then.. its still slower than fglrx
[10:38] <scientes> snadge, you cant get good performance with ati on linux period, atm
[10:38] <scientes> even with fglrx
[10:39] <scientes> fglrx has WOORSE 2d performance than radeon
[10:39] <Fudge> mm
[10:39] <snadge> if you can get away with using radeon.. then by all means.. use it.. for a lot of things its better
[10:39] <Fudge> this is a sapphire 1gig card but i cant find the model number, i thought maybe lshw might give the card info to me
[10:40] <snadge> but if you ask me.. radeon and fglrx both suck.. for different reasons
[10:40] <scientes> if you want games on linux, you are only going to succeed with nvidia binary
[10:40] <scientes> that is true and i will admit it
[10:40] <snadge> if only they could combine the two drivers into something that doesnt suck ;)
[10:40] <scientes> but fglrx sucks ass
[10:40] <scientes> and should be totally scrapped
[10:40] <scientes> and by its propritary nature, it cant make anything else better, only hold other stuff back
[10:40] <snadge> im using it right now.. because it runs faster with minecraft *
[10:41] <scientes> a little bit
[10:41] <snadge>     * only if you use gnome classic no effects
[10:41] <scientes> but you will probably get much better performance with nvidia driver
[10:41] <scientes> on nvidia hardware
[10:41] <snadge> last time i checked.. the nvidia driver didnt support radeon :p
[10:42] <scientes> i have to give commendations to red hat however for sponsoring nouveau
[10:42] <scientes> they dont make their money in desktop, to say the least
[10:43] <Fudge> scientes  multimedia  Juniper HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5700 Series]
[10:43] <snadge> id give more credit to amd for supporting the radeon effort
[10:43] <Fudge> think that's the card loL
[10:43] <scientes> Fudge, thats the hdmi audio of the card, yes
[10:44] <scientes> Fudge, made sure you either have no xorg.conf, or are using the radeon driver
[10:44] <Fudge> display     Juniper XT [AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series]
[10:44] <scientes> check if /dev/dri/card0 exists
[10:44] <scientes> and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:44] <Fudge> that must be the card, yep I removed the xorg.conf
[10:44] <snadge> it appears the kernel im running has no idea what my gpu is :p
[10:44] <Fudge> yes it loads radeon
[10:44] <scientes> and then see if kde still complains
[10:44] <snadge> 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 6818
[10:45] <snadge> 6818? wtf?
[10:45] <Fudge> yep scientes  it exists /dev/dri/card0
[10:45] <scientes> Fudge, and kde still complains about the driver?
[10:45] <snadge> i cant run compiz with the radeon driver on my card.. sapphire 7870 oc
[10:45] <snadge> it just crashes
[10:45] <scientes> Fudge, just for kicks i would download a kde spin of fedora 17 and see if the graphics work
[10:46] <Fudge> scientes  I will do that but will need a sighted person to help
[10:46] <scientes> snadge, maybe its like nouveau, works with some cards, not others
[10:46] <Fudge> put it on my todo list though
[10:46] <scientes> Fudge, ooo
[10:46] <scientes> Fudge, you should use spark-qt then
[10:46] <snadge> i should have bought a 560ti.. but i went for amd.. because im an idiot ;)
[10:46] <scientes> Fudge, as you don't need fancy graphics
[10:47] <scientes> Fudge, or maybe gnome classic, as it has much better accessability support
[10:47] <scientes> (from what i've heard)
[10:47] <scientes> Fudge, how do you use IRC (im curious) magnification?
[10:47] <Fudge> nah speakup and espeakup
[10:47] <Fudge> scientes  what is spark-qt?
[10:48] <Fudge> I want to use the unity desktop to assist with accessibility feadback though
[10:48] <scientes> well kubuntu is not unity :)
[10:48] <Fudge> I know that
[10:49] <scientes> unity-2d perhaps would be better, also gnome-shell needs accessability support, that is what fedora and opensuse and debian ship
[10:49] <scientes> Fudge, you were using gnome 2 before?
[10:50] <Fudge> yep classic noeffects in natty, now unity-2d
[10:50] <Fudge> 3d is not really accessible now, was for a while but devs are concentrating on 2d
[10:50]  * scientes always used no-effects, even today with gnome-shell
[10:50]  * scientes doesn't like distracting animations
[10:51]  * scientes has also gotten stuck in compiz's side-scrolling before and had to ask in irc how to disable it :)
[10:51] <Fudge> oh damn
[10:51] <Fudge> I find my desktop is laggy and  I think it should be snappy
[10:52] <scientes> Fudge, have you seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XDTQLa3NjE&feature=relmfu
[10:52] <Fudge> im using a ssd drive 8core 3.6gig and 16gig of ram
[10:53] <scientes> Fudge, wow, thats a fast system
[10:53] <Fudge> you woudl think so
[10:54] <Fudge> but desktop still gets laggy
[10:54] <scientes> well, what is eating up all your ram to make it laggy?
[10:54] <scientes> Fudge, or cpu, you said you were having problems with fglrx before
[10:55] <scientes> Fudge, its hard for me to imagine how I would use the computer with impaired vision, the other senses would much easier to cope without
[10:56] <Fudge> scientes  im nearly blind, can see stuf fpop up on the screen but rely on audio, I use orca and in a console speakup with a software synth
[10:56] <Fudge> firefox is pretty crappy for accessibility, there is something there that makes the speech not very responsive, it has gotten better over the last few years but still laggy
[10:57] <scientes> Fudge, i saw that the linux kernel had a special driver you can compile to be able to use a braile reader from bootup to shutdown
[10:58] <Fudge> Cpu(s):  0.9%us,  0.3%sy,  0.0%ni, 98.4%id,  0.3%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[10:58] <Fudge> Mem:  16417164k total, 16215308k used,   201856k free,   222980k buffers
[10:58] <Fudge> Swap: 24966336k total,    44476k used, 24921860k free, 13380848k cached
[10:58] <dubaco> i cant activate bluetooth on 12.04
[10:58] <dubaco> i need to link with anouther machine to save some files
[10:59] <scientes> Fudge, that video I linked to was Karen Sandler, a gnome front-person, although it wasn't specifically about accessability, i believe she said there was another talk about accessability, although i cannot fint it at the moment, i can look some more
[10:59] <Fudge> I have seen a few scientes , the paste was from my top, seems ok to me
[11:00] <scientes> Fudge, yeah, looks like your computer is underutalized :P, maybe you should have it output megabytes or even gigabytes instead of kilobytes so its less noisy
[11:01] <scientes> Fudge, also, i'm sure you are already using adblockplus, but it speeds up browsing significantly because the advertisements never load
[11:02] <Fudge> oh scientes  good idea, how do I do that
[11:02] <Fudge> yep plus the famous hosts file
[11:02] <Fudge> # http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
[11:02] <scientes> Fudge, http://adblockplus.org/
[11:03] <Fudge> plus i use noscript, but its how orca interacts with firefox that is the problem, well not jsut orca, both
[11:03] <scientes> Fudge, much better than hosts file, as it gets rid of even text ads, and completely removes them from the page, might make your screen reader read you less garbage as well
[11:03] <scientes> Fudge, gnome might like your input in irc://irc.gimp.net/a11y
[11:04] <scientes> Fudge, here is the direct link to the ad blocker firefox extention https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/140737/adblock_plus-2.0.3-sm+tb+fn+fx.xpi?src=external-abp.o-en-firefox
[11:04] <c0rnel> to make 11.10 upgrade to 12.04 i have to run do-release-upgrade -d?
[11:04] <Fudge> thank you scientes , I have it already installed
[11:04] <Fudge> scientes  me on gimp [gimp] -!-  idle     : 1 days 14 hours 32 mins 37 secs [signon: Tue Apr  3 06:31:29 2012]
[11:05] <scientes> Fudge, haha
[11:06] <napsy> Hello. I'm trying to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer but installation hangs when trying to connect to sourceforge. Any alternatives on how to install the fonts?
[11:07] <scientes> c0rnel, for command-line, otherwise use "update-manager -d" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[11:07] <c0rnel> thank you scientes
[11:08] <scientes> napsy, not really, but redhat has the "libre fonts" which are size-compatible, and which is packages in ubuntu IIRC
[11:08] <scientes> *liberation fonts napsy
[11:08] <napsy> hm .. I have a web page that uses arial ...
[11:09] <scientes> napsy, the liberation fonts can be used in place of arial without screwing up page layout
[11:09] <napsy> cool
[11:09] <napsy> thanks
[11:11] <Fudge> scientes  found the f17 beta, ill throw it at a vm later
[11:12] <scientes> Fudge, putting it in a beta defeats the purpose of checking it with your hardware, but if you dont care about 3d, that doesn't really matter anyways, so there isn't much point
[11:13] <c0rnel> *in a vm*
[11:13] <c0rnel> :)
[11:13] <Fudge> scientes  :$ oops true
[11:13] <scientes> c0rnel, yes, in a vm, sorry about that typo
[11:14] <Fudge> I'll install to a partition when have a spare hour to make orca work with that stupid gnome-shell
[11:15] <scientes> Fudge, no, just install gnome-shell in ubuntu, don't bother with the effort of multiple operating systems too much work
[11:16] <scientes> apt-get install gnome-shell
[11:16] <Fudge> only need 10gig scientes  for it and share my downloads dropbox thunderbird speakup firefox on another partition
[11:16] <Fudge> simlinks etc
[11:17] <Fudge> already have 5 os's on  here i tihk, well precise natty lucid debian and cant member other
[11:17] <scientes> oh wow, ok so yeah with shared home it is sane
[11:17] <Fudge> yeah i dont share home, jsut simlink
[11:17] <Fudge> that is awful when i tried that a few years ago
[11:17] <astraljava> scientes: Not so sure, what with different config file versions etc.
[11:18] <Fudge> yeah shared /home sux, that's why i simlink the main stuff that doesnt change
[11:18] <scientes> Fudge, eek, symlink home causes alot of problems from my experience, works better if you change it in /etc/passwd, or mount home seperately, even with --bind mounts if need be
[11:19] <scientes> ahh Fudge now i get it, just the applications that matter, like firefox
[11:19] <scientes> CONFIG_A11Y_BRAILLE_CONSOLE in the kernel source, you use that?
[11:20] <Fudge> you mean brltty
[11:20] <Fudge> i dont do braille really, i am australian, we do teach students braille here but I have noticed that US people get tought braille a lot more often than Australian students
[11:20] <scientes> yeah, that looked pretty cool when i saw it
[11:21] <Fudge> i do use the speakup modules though
[11:21] <Fudge> its good that since natty ubuntu included them in kernels
[11:22] <Fudge> well, that ubuntu finally followed suit with debian and didnt strip it out
[11:48] <testi> I find it annoying that all error messages (crashes) are presented to me as popups (reminds me of win95). Can I configure them to appear as notifications?
[11:50] <Cameron> how do I go about reporting a crasher that causes me to be logged out and the lightdm login screen is shown ?
[11:53] <penguin42> Cameron: That's probably your X server crashing
[11:54] <penguin42> Cameron: I assume you're logged in at the time and all is peachy and than KABOOM and you're back at the login screen?
[11:54] <Cameron> yep
[11:54] <Cameron> has happened a few times a day
[11:54] <Cameron>  is there a way to generate a crash report that can be added as a bug ?
[11:54] <penguin42> Cameron: OK, next time it happens, immediately after you log back in open a terminal and do   ubuntu-bug xorg
[11:55] <Cameron> ok, sweet
[11:55] <penguin42> Cameron: Assuming you have a launchpad account then you can fill in all the details and it should upload the X logs to launchpad
[11:55] <Cameron> yep, thanks :)
[11:56] <Cameron> does ubuntu-bug just get the most recent crash that is stored somewhere on disk ?  and xorg is the package that it affects ?
[11:56] <Cameron> i.e. is it safe to run it right now, if no other program has crashed since xorg crashed ?
[11:56] <penguin42> Cameron: Yeh, ubuntu-bug knows for the xorg package to get all the X logs, and X keeps the last one as well as the current one - that's why I say do it immeidately after you log back in
[11:59] <Cameron> penguin42, cool, I can see this in the XogLogOld Segmentation fault at address (nil)
[12:00] <Cameron> so, i've submitted a bug.. thanks for your help
[12:01] <philinux> Cameron: Take a look at man ubuntu-bug
[12:02] <Cameron> philinux, yep, I shall, cheers mate
[12:02] <penguin42> Cameron: What's the bug number?
[12:03] <Cameron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/973318
[12:06] <penguin42> Cameron: Is it when you do something in particular?
[12:07] <Cameron> penguin42, nope, I havn't noticed any correlation between what I do and the crash happening... its happened about 10 times since I upgraded to oneiric.  sometimes it was when scrolling in chrome, sometimes when editing source code in eclipse
[12:07] <Cameron> penguin42, I leave my pc on overnight, and it was still logged in in the morning, so it must be something to do with me using the pc
[12:09] <Cameron> penguin42, i've had a suspicion that it was the nvidia drivers, so I tried both nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates drivers and they both seem to cause the same crash
[12:10] <Cameron> I get frequent flash plugin crashes in chrome - I wonder if that is related, since it was sometimes causing the same problem when I was trying to watch a particular flash video
[12:14] <Cameron> penguin42, it just crashed twice in 4 minutes - both times I was watching a flash video
[12:14] <Cameron> penguin42, i'm going to try and cause it to crash again
[12:14] <Cameron> penguin42, yep, I found a flash video site that seems to crash it each time
[12:15] <Cameron> crash xorg I mean
[12:17] <penguin42> Cameron: OK, put a note in the bug saying that you can reliably crash it with a specific string of actions; that's a much 'nicer' bug than one that just goes bang randomly
[12:17]  * penguin42 disappears
[12:18] <Cameron> penguin42, yep, i've done tha
[12:36] <akappa> Hi everybody, I have a problem with Precise
[12:36] <akappa> In online accounts, I get an "expired credentials" all the time for both my accounts (google and windows live), even though I just logged in correctly
[12:37] <akappa> what's more curious is that both empathy and evolution are logged through google
[12:37] <akappa> (but empathy cannot login to windows live)
[12:37] <akappa> furthermore I don't really understand how the whole authentication thing works (gnome shell distributes authentication tokens to all the interested apps?)
[12:38] <akappa> so it's hard for me to track down the problem
[12:42] <akappa> furthermore: don't you think that empathy should get an easy way to show up the contact list? when I "open" empathy from activities and I already have a conversation opened, it just opens the conversation window and not the contact list
[12:42] <akappa> and from the conversation window there isn't a convenient way to open the contact list
[12:43] <akappa> I have to go to activities, right-click the pinned "empathy" and click "new window", which is kinda annoying and counter-intuitive
[12:50] <ironhalik> hmm, how should I file a bug
[12:50] <ironhalik> if the affected system got completely unbootable
[12:50] <ironhalik> and now, after reinstllation, the configuration has changed?
[12:59] <Myrtti> my experimental unity-lens-* thingies seem to flake out :-( and apport refuses to file a bug report because they're from a PPA. what a drag.
[13:00] <elijah> Does anyone know what version of ffmpeg openshot is using for Pangolin? I tried typing ffmpeg into command and no go, I want to check the version because I am having playback issues and I think there is supposed to be hardware acceleration now
[13:01] <akappa> apt-cache show <package>?
[13:01] <ironhalik> !info openshot
[13:02] <akappa> ffmpeg isn't listed in the dependencies
[13:02] <akappa> it uses ffmpeg through a plugin?
[13:02] <elijah> akappa: How did you find that out?
[13:03] <elijah> akappa: Thanks, ... show ffmpeg gave me good info!
[13:03] <elijah> hmm, so it only has one dependency? lib-avtools?
[13:03] <akappa> elijah, looks like ffmpeg is a server. In PP, it's version 4:0.8.1-0ubuntu1
[13:04] <agenobarb> problems with the screen resolution on the monoblock HP pro 3420 All-in-One
[13:05] <elijah> akappa: Hmm, I know they use the MLT framework too
[13:06] <akappa> elijah, btw, if the thing is used as a dynamic library, you can inspect the list of used libraries by performing ldd $(which <application>)
[13:10] <elijah> akappa: Thanks, that is helpful
[13:10] <akappa> de nada
[13:10] <agenobarb> vsem privet
[13:11] <elijah> akappa: do you know any programs that use dynamic libraries?
[13:12] <akappa> almost every program uses dynamic libraries
[13:12] <agenobarb> кто-то запускал убунту на моноблоке HP pro 3420 All-in-One
[13:12] <agenobarb> Someone ran ubuntu on the monoblock HP pro 3420 All-in-One
[13:13] <elijah> akappa: I tried on chromium-browser, shutter, firefox & openshot and it says all of them are "not a dynamic executable"
[13:13] <schnuffle> elijah:  ldd /path/to/binary shows you the dependencies
[13:14] <akappa> elijah, probably $(which <app>) returns the path to a SCRIPT that calls the real thing
[13:15] <akappa> andrea@electra:/usr/lib$ file $(which google-chrome) -> /usr/bin/google-chrome: symbolic link to `/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome'; andrea@electra:/usr/lib$ file /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome -> /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable
[13:15] <akappa> as an example
[13:16] <akappa> for example, reading through that script, you can learn that the "real" executable is /opt/google/chrome/chrome
[13:16] <akappa> $ ldd chrome | wc -l -> 74
[13:19] <elijah> thx, how did you determine it's sym link?
[13:19] <akappa> "file"
[13:19] <akappa> it tells you what kind of object the file passed as an argument is
[13:20] <elijah> i see, I tried that - file $(which chromium-browser) and it returned /usr/bin/chromium-browser: Posix shell....
[13:20] <akappa> yep
[13:21] <elijah> so that is the real location?
[13:21] <akappa> elijah, you need to read the thing in order to understand what application it launches
[13:21] <akappa> or dig through ps aux after you launched the app
[13:21] <elijah> The thing meaning your example?
[13:22] <akappa> I know, things becomes technical at this point, but your question (which version of this thing is used by the app) is technical
[13:22] <akappa> "the thing" means "the ELF application launched"
[13:22] <elijah> Yeah, I understand that, I am just trying to follow your tutorial right now
[13:23] <elijah> not sure what the elf application launched means though
[13:24] <akappa> the "binary" app
[13:24] <elijah> ahh, read the binary
[13:24] <elijah> k
[13:25] <akappa> yep
[13:25] <akappa> of course not every applications is an ELF one
[13:25] <akappa> there are also interpreted applications
[13:25] <akappa> for those the "ldd" thing doesn't work
[13:25] <elijah> Libdir?
[13:27] <elijah> Got it!
[13:28] <elijah> Holy cow does Chromium have a ton of libraries!
[13:30] <akappa> 74 :P
[13:31] <jim_> Can anyone answer this question: if I install the 12.04 beta now, when the real 12.04 is out, can I just use apt-get update and upgrade, instead of downloading and installing again?
[13:31] <akappa> jim_, it upgrades in the usual way
[13:32] <Pici> jim_: as ubottu explained in #ubuntu, yes.
[13:32] <jim_> akappa, Pici : Thanks.
[13:32] <Pici> jim_: np, let us know if you have any other questions :)
[13:32] <Pici> or just leave, that works too.
[13:33] <akappa> so nobody have a issue similar to mine about the "expired credential" thing?
[14:18] <hydester> any way for precise to include a newer version of pigz?  http://zlib.net/pigz/ is at v2.2.4, http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/pigz is at 2.2.3-1, and http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/pigz is only at 2.1.6-1... (over 2 years old)
[14:20] <ironhalik> is it me or did unity got a bit snappier lately?
[14:30] <kklimonda> hydester: you should open a bug requesting sync from Debian and asking for feature freeze exception
[14:30] <kklimonda> hydester: it should be granted as it's universe package with no reverse dependencies
[14:30] <hydester> kklimonda: cool, thanks
[14:43] <BluesKaj> kubuntu 12.04/kde4.8.2 plsama just crashed evn tho i wasn't really doing anything except reading text in konversation and I also had chromium open , but that was it
[14:58] <dupondje> UEFI is supported right?!
[14:59] <BluesKaj> dupondje,  got efilinux installed
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:06] <dupondje> BluesKaj: just did an install with the cd :)
[15:07] <BluesKaj> dupondje,  just curious , why UEFI ?
[15:07] <dupondje> brand new laptop ... :)
[15:08] <BluesKaj> dupondje,  nice , but I'm still wonderng why UEFI ? :)
[15:09] <hydester> kklimonda: i see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pigz/+bug/632462, which would be resolved by a sync from Debian.  is it better to add this as acomment to that ticket or will it not be noticed as much as a new ticket?
[15:11] <kklimonda> hydester: I'd open a new bug - requestsync command from ubuntu-dev-tools deals with opening a bug and subscribing proper teams to get exception
[15:11] <kklimonda> hydester: after that add a comment that syncing would fix 632462
[15:11] <hydester> k
[15:12] <kklimonda> and when package is synced change the status of 632... to Fix Released
[15:19] <MechanisM> Hello I have problem with dependencies while installing updates
[15:21] <hydester> kklimonda: is the upsteram changelog, etc. necessary per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_upstream_versions ?
[15:21] <dupondje> Hmz, grub2 should be able to boot from logical partition?
[15:24] <MechanisM> http://paste.ubuntu.com/914664/ and because of it I can't install latest updates
[15:24] <BluesKaj> MechanisM, try sudo dpkg --configure -a , then sudo apt-get -f install
[15:24] <MechanisM> I tried it already
[15:25] <MechanisM> grub-pc depends on old version of grub-pc-bin
[15:25] <MechanisM> I have newer installed
[15:25] <BluesKaj> dupondje,  grub needs to install to / , which should be primary afaik
[15:27] <MechanisM> Now I see ready to install new linux kernels and other packages but I can't update because of dependencies problem in grub-pc
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[15:27] <MechanisM> !grub-pc
[15:28] <MechanisM> !grub-pc-bin
[15:29] <MechanisM> just look http://paste.ubuntu.com/914664/ I have grub-pc-bin 1.99-21ubuntu1 but grub-pc requires grub-pc-bin 1.99-20ubuntu1
[15:30] <BluesKaj> MechanisM,  looks like you might need grub-rescue-pc
[15:31] <spaceneedle> Mednafen--an emulator--isn't working properly. There is an icon on the launcher but pressing it does nothing. I can't find Mednafen at all if I switch to gnome shell.
[15:37] <Volkodav> anybody has this weitd thing that any window gets focus goes white blank ? turning compiz ogg takes care of the issue
[15:38] <MechanisM> nried to install grub-rescue-pc and can't - http://paste.ubuntu.com/914679/
[15:42] <BluesKaj> MechanisM,  have you tried, sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub ?
[15:46] <MechanisM> not yet. hold on
[15:47] <MechanisM> oh wait I'm marked it for reinstall in synaptic and appliy 2 times
[15:47] <MechanisM> it';s the same?
[15:48] <MechanisM> I don't have grub installed I mean grub-pc
[15:48] <MechanisM> I can provide access to my pc via TeamViewer
[15:49] <MechanisM> and show how synaptic displays errors and warnings while update
[16:09] <astraljava> MechanisM: It'd help if you initiated the commands with `LANG=C ...`, not everyone can read those error messages.
[16:11] <BluesKaj> MechanisM, I wonder if this will work : purge grub-pc then install grub , then sudo update-grub
[16:15] <markit> Kubuntu, aptitude full-upgrade hangs so often... seems a sort of lock problem, but googling for aptitude hang does not show reported errors, is something you also have encounter?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> markit,  use apt-get , aptitude has a problem in 12.04
[16:16] <markit> is it a known issue then?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> well, known by a few ppl, dunno id anyone filed a bug
[16:17] <BluesKaj> if
[16:17] <markit> holding packages with apt-get seems much more complicated...
[16:18] <BluesKaj> markit,  full upgrade isn't avalid command with apt-get
[16:18] <markit> yes, that too
[16:18] <markit> so two problems at least :)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> just do sudo dist-upgrade after sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:21] <markit> ok thanks, hope they fix the issue
[16:21] <BluesKaj> markit,  aptitude hasn't kept up , apt-get is further along in development
[16:22] <markit> I've always thought that aptitude was far superior and "the next good thing" for apt packages
[16:22] <astraljava> aptitude  just recently got multi-arch support in debian/ubuntu.
[16:22] <astraljava> But might not be 100%, yet, though.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> markit,  the word was that aptitude was superior til 10.04 or 10.10 , but it's been causing problems
[16:26] <eye-gor> astraljava: that would be dpkg not aptitude
[16:26] <BluesKaj> since
[16:26] <markit> BluesKaj: so is like "deprecated"? for debian also or only _buntu?
[16:27] <markit> I've been using it for a long long time, so would love not to "revert back" to apt
[16:27] <BluesKaj> there's no official deprecation of aptitude afaik
[16:28] <astraljava> eye-gor: Hmm... shouldn't dpkg have had support for it in order to apt-get having it? AFAIK, apt-get has had it since oneiric.
[16:29] <astraljava> Or has it worked around it before?
[16:30] <astraljava> eye-gor: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html
[16:30] <astraljava> That's quite some while ago, now.
[16:31] <eye-gor> This is interesting http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11464224&postcount=22
[16:32] <eye-gor> astraljava: and yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[16:34] <smallfoot-> help, gnome-session-fallback broke
[16:34] <astraljava> eye-gor: I'm sorry, I seem to be missing your point.
[16:34] <smallfoot-> now the window manager doesn't work
[16:34] <smallfoot-> wheni type 'metacity --replace', it works, but not with 'compiz --replace'
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> markit: aptitude is in the repos, its just not default
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> smallfoot-: are there any bugs reported?
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> markit: I always preferred apt-fast
[16:35] <smallfoot-> ActionParsnip, idk
[16:35] <Logan_> smallfoot-: Yeah, mine just freezes up when I do compiz --replace. But I think it's a known bug.
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> smallfoot-: Then report one...
[16:36] <eye-gor> astraljava: aptitude is not reliable during testing
[16:37] <astraljava> eye-gor: Yeah, I'm not disputing that. In fact, I just said that it might not be 100% there, yet.
[16:37] <eye-gor> astraljava: agreed
[16:37] <ratcheer> I am having no trouble with aptitude (knock on wood).
[16:38] <astraljava> ...and might not ever be, especially if that Colin's statement keeps on holding true.
[16:38] <eye-gor> ratcheer: if you missed it see this. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11464224&postcount=22
[16:39] <ratcheer> eye-gor: Ok, thanks.
[16:39] <smallfoot-> ActionParsnip, idk
[16:39] <smallfoot-> does linux keep a journal of when packages was installed/updated?
[16:39] <dysoco> Anyone having problems with SquashFS booting 12.04 ?
[16:40] <astraljava> smallfoot-: /var/log/dpkg.log
[16:40] <smallfoot-> thanks
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> dysoco: on the instal CD you mean?
[16:42] <dysoco> ActionParsnip, yes, I get to when it asks for "Try Ubuntu" or "Install Ubuntu"
[16:42] <dysoco> ActionParsnip, then I click "Try" and BAM, SquashFS error
[16:43] <dysoco> also, Pendrive won't boot, get stucked in SYSYLINUX screen
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> dysoco: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[16:44] <dysoco> ActionParsnip, nope, I need to
[16:44] <dysoco> but the SYSLINUX error has happened to me before a couple of times
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> dysoco: yes, you do need to
[16:44] <Atlantic777> I've translated a file for vimtutor, is there a way for my translation to get on the Precise release CD? If this isn't the right place to ask, where should I ask?
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> !contribute
[16:45] <astraljava> Atlantic777: vim isn
[16:45] <dysoco> Atlantic777, I don't think Canonical will add more things to 12.04
[16:45] <astraljava> sorry, vim isn't on the CD, IIRC.
[16:45] <Pici> Atlantic777: #ubuntu-translators would be the best place to ask.
[16:45] <Atlantic777> even if it's just one txt doc? :D
[16:45] <Atlantic777> Oh, I mean repos, not CD.
[16:45] <astraljava> Right. It'd need an exception this late to the cycle.
[16:47] <Atlantic777> Ok, I'll ask translators, too.
[16:47] <Pici> Atlantic777: the translation freeze isn't until very close to the release.
[16:48] <jo-erlend> what process provides the power cog menu?
[16:49] <astraljava> Pici: Oh, that's right. LanguagePackTranslationsFreeze was on the 10th, I believe. My bad. Thanks for correcting me!
[16:56] <Hiob10hiob> J
[16:57] <Hiob10hiob> Hi, i have some problems with ubuntu 12.04 on my macbook....
[16:57] <Hiob10hiob> first, it gets very warm
[16:58] <spacebug-> I just updated my packages and it removed many many of them.. like gnome stuff. Darn
[16:58] <eye-gor> spacebug-: What method did you use
[16:58] <spacebug-> synaptic
[17:00] <eye-gor> spacebug-: sounds like you should have chose N if it wanted to remove a pile of stuff
[17:01] <spacebug-> I did a search for ubuntu-desktop meta package and chosed to install that again and now it will install 84 packages
[17:01] <spacebug-> strange though
[17:01] <spacebug-> something must have broken that
[17:01] <FreeRun> i have checked trouble with installation on samsung netbook
[17:02] <FreeRun> installer hagns after desktop appears
[17:03] <astraljava> spacebug-: Packages are updated fairly often now, it's possible you hit a bad stretch.
[17:03] <FreeRun> anyone trying to install 12.04 on atom?
[17:04] <spacebug-> astraljava: yeah my thought also
[17:09] <Dr_willis> FreeRun,  12.04 works fine on my netbook
[17:16] <FreeRun> i'm trying second install...
[17:23] <Galahad> how is HUD for Libre coming along?
[17:33] <FreeRun> Dr_willis, maybe it is a problem with encrypting hdd?
[17:35] <penguin42> oh that's what MAAS stands for on the Server installs ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/04/ubuntu_maas/ )
[18:09] <rye> anybody from UX here? I think that having Rhythmbox inhibit the session exit while it is playing a song is wrong, but it is currently so
[18:17] <atpa8a> hi
[18:19] <FreeRun> how ti install 12.04 lts in text mode?
[18:20] <KM0201> text mode?
[18:20] <KM0201> download the alt. install cd
[18:20] <FreeRun> yes. without gui
[18:20] <KM0201> download the alt. install cd
[18:20] <FreeRun> a, ok
[18:20] <KM0201> thats what its for
[18:20] <FreeRun> ok, thx
[18:20] <KM0201> why do you wan ta text install, vs a GUI?
[18:20] <FreeRun> coz my netbook hanging during installation
[18:21] <KM0201> ok
[18:21] <KM0201> hae you installed Linux before?... cuz it's not as easy as the live cd, as you have to do everything
[18:21] <FreeRun> but i'm also trying to encryptg 160gb filesystem on Atom 1,6GHz :)
[18:22] <KM0201> well, then i would expect problems
[18:22] <FreeRun> and i don't know that this may be  a issue?
[18:22] <FreeRun> maybe, after alternate i will try witout encrypting
[18:23] <FreeRun> coz testing version works fine from usb stick
[18:23] <FreeRun> but how to make encrypt filesystem later?
[18:26] <atpa8a> encrypt it first separately and then install
[18:26] <atpa8a> why would you want to encrypt the whole drive tho?.. /home should be fine
[18:27] <jtaylor> you always want to encrypt the whole drive + swap
[18:27] <jtaylor> only home has countless points of leaking
[18:28] <FreeRun> i'm trying only home of coz
[18:29] <FreeRun> (default option)
[18:29] <FreeRun> but now, i'm installing without encryption,
[18:31] <atpa8a> oh?.. you mean that option to encrypt the home dir?
[18:32] <FreeRun> yes
[18:32] <atpa8a> i see
[18:32] <FreeRun> but i have workaround
[18:32] <atpa8a> that never worked for me
[18:32] <FreeRun> i will make a file for truecrypt
[18:32] <FreeRun> for that
[18:32] <atpa8a> i mean just make a home partition and encrypt that
[18:33] <FreeRun> i'm installing without encryption
[18:33] <FreeRun> the process called "ubiquity" utilize 100% of one cor
[18:33] <FreeRun> e
[18:34] <andrewaclt> How do you get the version of the package you have installed?
[18:35] <Ian_Corne> apt-cache policy packagename
[18:35] <andrewaclt> thanks
[18:35] <andrewaclt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/946104
[18:35] <Ian_Corne> you're welcome
[18:36] <Ian_Corne> I want that too :p
[18:36] <andrewaclt> I'm running the version is says its fixed in
[18:36] <andrewaclt> but I don't see how to enable the settings
[18:37] <Ian_Corne> what an annoying video
[18:38] <andrewaclt> Ian_Corne, it's status is Fixed released I just don't see it being fixed or I can't find the right settings
[18:38] <Ian_Corne> Changed in unity-2d:
[18:38] <Ian_Corne> milestone:	 5.8 -> 5.10.0
[18:38] <Ian_Corne> I'm guessing you're not on unity 5.10 yet
[18:38] <Ian_Corne> unity (5.8.0-0ubuntu1) precise-proposed; urgency=low
[18:39] <andrewaclt> This bug was fixed in the package unity - 5.8.0-0ubuntu1
[18:39] <Ian_Corne> do you have the proposed updates enabled?
[18:39] <Ian_Corne> (I wouldn't do it)
[18:39] <andrewaclt> I'm running 5.8.0-0ubuntu2
[18:39] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[18:39] <andrewaclt> but the janitor says 5.8.0-ubuntu1
[18:42] <installfails> hi
[18:42] <installfails> iam trying to install xubuntu 12.04 beta2 but ubiquity hangs at the end after i supply my credentials
[18:43] <installfails> maxes out cpu
[18:45] <FreeRun> oh i have similar symptoms :)
[18:45] <installfails> can i simply restart or will my system be broken after that?
[18:45] <FreeRun> installfails: like you... ubiquity & 100% cpu usage i'm installing on atom now
[18:45] <installfails> y, atom here too :D
[18:46] <FreeRun> on mac book pro 3,1 works quite good
[18:46] <penguin42> installfails: When you say supply your credentials - when are you supplying credentials?
[18:46] <FreeRun> o :)
[18:46] <installfails> i type in my name, password etc. and then hit the next button
[18:46] <installfails> after that it's gone
[18:46] <FreeRun> try to chenge with ctrl+alt+F1
[18:46] <FreeRun> to text console and check with top
[18:47] <FreeRun> its works but gui freeze
[18:48] <installfails> ok, so install is complete and only the gui freezes?
[18:48] <FreeRun> at this moment something is in progress :)
[18:48] <FreeRun> but gui freeeze
[18:48] <penguin42> there should be a log somewhere to see what's going on
[18:49] <FreeRun> but top shows that...
[18:49] <installfails> well, i waited till the progress bar on the bottom was through (the second time)
[18:49] <installfails> last entry in /var/log/install/debug is:
[18:50] <installfails> Error opening file for reading: Permission denied
[18:50] <installfails> and lots of warnings about failing to set locale
[18:50] <FreeRun> at this mommen i cannot go to first console :)
[18:51] <installfails> well, ill simply try to reboot and see if it works ^^
[18:51] <installfails> brb (i hope)
[18:53] <FreeRun> oh, another 54/6MB new files in repo :)
[18:57] <trism> andrewaclt: they are in ccsm on the experimental tab
[18:57] <trism> andrewaclt: oh sorry didn't notice the unity-2d part
[19:10] <ssfdre38> what is the current Unity version on 12.04 beta
[19:12] <andrewaclt> ssfdre38, I think 5.8.0-ubuntu2
[19:12] <ssfdre38> so i dont need to do an manual upgrade
[19:19] <elijah> How do I tell what kernel I am running? I am testing a bug and am not sure if the mainline kernel took as I had no grub menu.
[19:19] <genii-around> uname -r
[19:29] <elijah> genii-around: thx
[19:40] <FreeRun> cya
[19:58] <foobArrr> wget -O- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/beta-2/xubuntu-12.04-beta2-alternate-amd64.iso > /dev/sde              sde is a usb-drive. will that work? :)
[20:00] <penguin42> It's got a chance - I wouldn't probably do it that way, but still
[20:12] <elijah> I added a GB worth of files to Ubuntu One and there is no network activity, it is syncing folder names with my other computer but I don't see bits flying. Is there a status section for UO?
[20:13] <elijah> It even says file sync is up to date on both computers
[20:27] <foobArrr> it worked
[20:37] <dsathe> what is the ubuntu dev channedl ?
[20:37] <dsathe> channel ?
[20:37] <dsathe> #ubuntu-dev
[20:37] <dsathe> ?
[20:37] <jtaylor> why?
[20:38] <jtaylor> #ubuntu-dev is the the core dev channel
[20:38] <jtaylor> -devel
[20:38] <jtaylor> sory
[20:38] <Pici> Its a working channel, not a support channel.
[20:38] <dsathe> wanted to inquire something to someone specific
[20:39] <dsathe> ya sure no problem
[20:39] <dsathe> he isnt on the other channel, needed to communicate some thing important
[20:39] <jtaylor> you can message people without being in the same channel
[20:40] <dsathe> oh ok
[20:40] <jtaylor>  /msg nick message
[20:41] <dsathe> ill try later
[20:42] <dsathe> dropped a mail :)
[20:42] <Pici> :)
[20:58] <prodigel> hi all. After upgrading to 12.04 and some update errors where showing that i didn't manage to fix, I did a superfix: removed my /var/lib/dpkg/info files :S. Now I get a ton of messages complaining about missing files (that's me), and while dis-upgrading errors got mostly fixed I'm left a grub-pc one which scares me a bit, and I don't want to rebot my computer until I get it fixed. any ideas on this? :D help appreciated
[21:13] <Zoffix> I'm having trouble getting Java to work (in a browser). I'm just getting "Applet not initialized" for anything I try to launch :/
[21:17] <PerfM> Whaddup my ubuntu friends
[21:20] <prodigel> coming with updates on my grub-pc problem. It seems to be circular reference between grub-pc 1.99-21ubuntu1 and grub-gfxpayload-lists_0.5 amd64... anyone aware of this issue?
[21:26] <Zoffix> Seems like reinstalling the "discontinued" Sun JDK (or whatever it's called) is the way to go for me, as some websites can't work with OpenJDK :/
[21:26] <Zoffix> *expletives*
[21:29] <astraljava> That's FLOSS for ya; but hey, Rome wasn't built in a day.
[21:29]  * foobArrr likes the new xubuntu logo
[21:34] <Zoffix> Yey. After freezing two times it seems to work.
[21:35] <Zoffix> I found the fix here: http://debianhelp.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/to-do-list-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04-lts-aka-precise-pangolin/
[21:35] <BlueLaguna_> So...after my last dist-upgrade, I can no longer login via lightdm
[21:35]  * Zoffix goes back to study
[21:35] <BlueLaguna_> None of the session types show up on the list
[21:35] <BlueLaguna_> (Ubuntu, Ubuntu 2d, Gnome, Gnome classic, etc)
[21:35] <BlueLaguna_> Any ideas?
[21:36] <BlueLaguna_> When I try to login, it just brings me back to the login screen
[21:47] <sweeze> what's best way to get a dev to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/959506 -- not sure if its even assigned to the right package?
[21:51] <jbicha> sweeze: do you happen to be using the gnome3 PPA or similar PPAs?
[21:51] <seria-mau> to anyone who has problems completing install because ubiquity freezes: use alternate install. that's how i finally did it
[21:52] <sweeze> jbicha: no gnome3 ppa, only google talk/googlemusic/spotify ppas
[22:32] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:33] <atpa8a> re bug 972960
[22:33] <atpa8a> i think it migt be the "external" metadata(?) that's causing the problem
[22:34] <atpa8a> i removed the md array but still get the error
[22:34] <penguin42> atpa8a: You might try catching someone on #ubuntu-kernel to ask about it
[22:35] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:35] <atpa8a> trying
[22:35] <atpa8a> thanks
[22:36] <penguin42> atpa8a: You might have more look in UK day time, but worth a go
[22:38] <atpa8a> i'm there
[22:38] <atpa8a> will see
[22:38] <atpa8a> one test i can do... going to take a couple of hours :P
[22:39] <atpa8a> move all the extents back to the md0 and destroy the dmraid array...
[22:39] <atpa8a> see if the installer picks it up then
[22:40] <atpa8a> but still... ubuntu boots from one of the volumes on that dmraid
[22:42] <atpa8a> worth a try?..
[22:45] <atpa8a> heh :) or i can just bootstrap a new system
[22:46] <atpa8a> which is much faster :P
[22:49] <atpa8a> trying expert mode...
[22:56] <atpa8a> no luck :(
[22:56] <atpa8a> is there an installer/kernel parameter to disable mdadm?
[22:56] <atpa8a> nomdadm?
[23:00] <penguin42> not that I know of
[23:01] <penguin42> it's a kernel module; so you might be able to move the module out of the way before the installer starts
[23:01] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:01] <atpa8a> wasn't the a generic parameter to blacklist the module?
[23:08] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:08] <atpa8a> mdadm --stop?
[23:09] <penguin42> possibly if you can get it at the right point - I'm just not quite sure when it is being triggered
[23:09] <atpa8a> not working...
[23:10] <atpa8a> may be in expert mode before detect disks?..
[23:11] <atpa8a> can one skip detect disks and partitioner? do it manually?
[23:12] <penguin42> atpa8a: not on the main installer; you may be able to on the alternate disk
[23:13] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:13] <penguin42> atpa8a: Remind me, are you trying to nuke these arrays?
[23:13] <atpa8a> i can do that
[23:13] <atpa8a> no
[23:13] <atpa8a> trying to install on one of the LVs on one of the array
[23:13] <atpa8a> s
[23:13] <penguin42> ok
[23:14] <atpa8a> the lv is ready
[23:15] <penguin42> atpa8a: I'd say trying the alternate disk is worth a go
[23:15] <atpa8a> swap and /boot too
[23:20] <atpa8a> was same problem... tried yesterday
[23:20] <atpa8a> but not in expert mode
[23:20] <atpa8a> should i try that?
[23:21] <penguin42> you could - to be honest with your current problem the best way is to probably install on an older version and upgrade
[23:24] <atpa8a> heh
[23:24] <atpa8a> might as well boot into another LV on that raid (previous install) and bootstrap...
[23:26] <psusi> atpa8a, why on earth would you want to?
[23:27] <atpa8a> why not? :) box is a small home xen server
[23:28] <atpa8a> i install into a new LV every time i want to try something while keeping some installations intact
[23:28] <psusi> atpa8a, if you aren't using it, then it won't run or be installed
[23:29] <atpa8a> psusi: bootstrap you mean?
[23:29] <atpa8a> i can take it to a bootable state :P
[23:29] <psusi> atpa8a, huh?  mdadm won't be used or installed if you don't have any raid arrays
[23:30] <penguin42> atpa8a: Can I just check the way it's setup; it's an MPT SCSI/SAS card with some drives as separate drives, you build an MD device from that and then make those the PV of the LVM?
[23:30] <atpa8a> psusi: really? if i destroy the md0, it won't load at all??
[23:31] <atpa8a> penguin42: almost
[23:31] <psusi> atpa8a, yea
[23:31] <atpa8a> i've a intel fake raid raid1, md0 raid1 and mpt2sas raid10
[23:32] <atpa8a> psusi: nice! i'll try! thanks!
[23:32] <atpa8a> i moved all the data  from md0 but didn't destroy it
[23:32] <penguin42> atpa8a: Haha well, that's possibly the largest weirdest mix of RAIDs 've come across :-)
[23:33] <atpa8a> if what psusi is right, if i do, i'll be able to install onto the dmraid
[23:33] <atpa8a> penguin42: all my data is on mtp2sas
[23:33] <atpa8a> one is unused for now
[23:33] <psusi> atpa8a, you should be able to now... unless you are saying that you currently have the same disk(s) in both a software and fake raid?
[23:33] <psusi> you certainly don't want to do that
[23:33] <psusi> unless you are dual booting with windows you should avoid the fakeraid
[23:34] <atpa8a> another one i create LVs for guest VMs and hosts
[23:35] <atpa8a> psusi: i think mdadm's external metadata feature detects my mpt2sas and fakeraid raids and one or both of those get in the way of normal functioning of mdadm
[23:35] <penguin42> psusi: He's hitting a kernel oops in the MD raid detection triggered by parted
[23:36] <psusi> atpa8a, hrm... mdadm does now recognize the intel fakeraid metadata, but ignores it unless you configure it in mdadm.conf afaik...
[23:37] <atpa8a> psusi: i guess the installer does configure that
[23:37] <psusi> ohh... kernel bug... should report that then
[23:37] <atpa8a> cause my /proc/mdstat has both
[23:37] <atpa8a> psusi: did report
[23:37] <atpa8a> and at that... for some reason /proc/mdstat reports a degrader fakeraid array
[23:38] <psusi> atpa8a, can you pastebin /proc/mdstat, mdadm -D on any detected arrays?
[23:38] <penguin42> bug 972960
[23:38] <psusi> atpa8a, and this is in the alternate installer without you modifying mdadm.conf?
[23:39] <atpa8a> server installer and last night i tried alternate
[23:39] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:39] <atpa8a> actually...
[23:39] <atpa8a> that mdstat is *very* strange
[23:40] <penguin42> actually i'd be surprised if there was much difference between server and alternate
[23:40] <psusi> atpa8a, hrm... and how did you do the install?  did you tell it to build any raid arrays?  it should prompt you that fakeraid was detected and ask to activate it.. though there is currently a bug that prevents that from working on the alternate and server cds
[23:41] <atpa8a> no
[23:41] <atpa8a> arrays were there already
[23:41] <atpa8a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/915320/
[23:43] <atpa8a> i should pay more attention...
[23:43] <atpa8a> this is a very weird mdstat
[23:43] <psusi> weird... I was actually just testing out mdadm's new support for intel fakeraid the other day and had to run mdadm --scan and append the lines to mdadm.conf to make it attempt to activate it... it should leave it alone and let dmraid activate it by default
[23:43] <psusi> ( though the dmraid drivers are currently missing from the server/alternate cds )
[23:44] <OffGridOps> 12.04 upgrade from 11.10:  Is there some way to install Dash (the menu that is normally on the left) or has it not been added yet?  Thanx
[23:44] <psusi> also mdadm seems to only have one of two disks in the array
[23:45] <atpa8a> psusi: but! md126 and md127 both use sda
[23:45] <penguin42> atpa8a: Is that mdstat from a system booted into the installe rand now after the oops?
[23:45] <Daekdroom> OffGridOps, what are you talking about?
[23:45] <atpa8a> which is noncense to me
[23:45] <Daekdroom> Dash's been there in 11.10.
[23:46] <OffGridOps> In normal ubuntu u have a menu on the left which is a bunch of squares for programs It is no on my 12.04
[23:46] <atpa8a> penguin42: this is from server installer with remote ssh in expert mode
[23:46] <psusi> atpa8a, that seems to be normal... mdadm treats it as a container, so one md device claims all disks in the raid set, then additional md devices represent each array that the set is divided into
[23:46] <atpa8a> ok...
[23:46] <psusi> atpa8a, what does dmraid -r say?
[23:46] <penguin42> atpa8a: Right, but is it after it hit the problem?
[23:46] <atpa8a> psusi: dmraid is all kosher
[23:46] <OffGridOps> i installed gnome just to try to navigate
[23:47] <atpa8a> penguin42: i think so... can double check, but i think it happens during detect disks
[23:47] <psusi> atpa8a, I"m trying to figure out why only sda is in md126 and md127.. it seems there is supposed to be a second disk it thinks is missing
[23:48] <penguin42> atpa8a: OK so IMHO if the md code has oops'd then any status it gives could be completely nuts
[23:48] <itaylor57> OffGridOps, sudo apt-install ubuntu-desktop
[23:48] <psusi> ahh, that's true... it oppsed...
[23:48] <OffGridOps> ok doing it now brb and thanx!
[23:48] <atpa8a> psusi: exactly, bios says the array is OK
[23:48] <psusi> so which two disks are supposed to be part of the fakeraid?  sda and what?
[23:49] <psusi> sda and sdb?
[23:49] <atpa8a> yes
[23:49] <atpa8a> at least dmraid says it's sda and sdb
[23:49] <OffGridOps> sudo: apt-install: command not found is returned
[23:50] <psusi> does dmraid -E /dev/sda and sdb also recognize them as imsm?
[23:50] <atpa8a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/915328/
[23:50] <atpa8a> ERROR: option missing/invalid option combination with -E
[23:51] <itaylor57> OffGridOps, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:51] <OffGridOps> ah ok thanx and brb
[23:51] <psusi> atpa8a, oops, mdadm -E rather
[23:52] <OffGridOps> 0 upgraded 0 removed and no left menu
[23:53] <atpa8a> is erase metadata safe?...
[23:53] <itaylor57> OffGridOps, you could try unity --reset
[23:53] <atpa8a> i've data on that arrays
[23:53] <OffGridOps> ok trying brb
[23:53] <psusi> atpa8a, it will destroy the array... if it's a mirror then that should leave you with two identical non raid disks
[23:54] <atpa8a> hmm
[23:54] <atpa8a> would prefer to avoid :P
[23:54]  * psusi is updating his server daily iso now to try and reproduce this
[23:55] <atpa8a> psusi: note, it's only in the installer!
[23:55] <atpa8a> if i upgrade a previous install, i've no problem
[23:57] <atpa8a> i've a hunch... if i pvmove back to md0 and desroy fakeraid i'll have no problem