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penguin42atpa8a: OK, I've tweeked the report a bit00:01
penguin42atpa8a: You may get some moans from stuff asking you to try the latest upstream kernel, which won't help for the installer bug00:05
atpa8apenguin42: great!00:08
atpa8ai'd try whatever :)00:08
atpa8aeven thinking to give the alternate cd a try00:09
penguin42yeh worth a go00:09
tarvidsome mopping up to do00:10
tarvidgrub failed after a RAID 1 install, should I report it? how?00:10
penguin42tarvid: Yes, have you got a launchpad account and can you boot into your system some how?00:11
tarvidBoot repair fixed it00:11
tarvidYes I have a Launchpad account00:12
penguin42tarvid: Hmm shame - it's kind of better to report while the bug is still there; OK - so was this a fresh install?00:12
tarvidyes, a fresh install but the RAID had been built previously00:13
tarvidand I whined a lot about my networking problems which turned out to be the cable modem/router00:14
penguin42tarvid: OK, so from your booted system type   ubuntu-bug ubuiquity    and answer the questions; ubuqiuity is the installer and is the normal place to put install screw ups00:14
tarvidHow do I enter text in this browser, this is a server install00:19
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tarvidbrowser may be w3m but I don't know how to get text in a form field00:26
larccthanks to whoever tried helping me get dash working, found the reason the search didn't work: i didn't have zeitgeist00:28
tarvidNow for the awkward part, I sought help with networking and the problem turned out to be routing in the cable modem00:36
tarvidI could talk to a neighbor on the LAN, My laptop on the LAN could reach the Internet, but the machine I was trying to set up could not00:37
tarvidThe laptop could because its mac address was stuffed in the cable system somewhere and the server mac address was not00:37
tarvidlooks like a bizarre bug that cost me two days00:38
tarvidwhere would one file such information00:38
bandit5432bug #92782800:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 927828 in sudo (Debian) "sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed." [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92782800:59
bandit5432fix committed can  any one confirm that the fix works for them?00:59
bandit5432i am still getting that error when ever i use sudo01:00
bandit5432sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed.Aborted01:02
bandit5432:|01:11
bandit5432so no one is getting  sudo errors?01:42
wyldebandit5432: I'm not, and haven't ever. Didi you 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' ?01:50
bandit5432yes01:51
bandit5432i am getting a sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed.01:51
bandit5432Aborted01:51
bandit5432which is in bug #927828 which was supposed to have a fix released01:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 927828 in sudo (Debian) "sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed." [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92782801:52
wyldesu you can't update?01:52
wyldeso*01:52
bandit5432no i update just fine i just keep getting a the above error every time i try to sudo01:52
bandit5432after the command runs i get the error01:53
bandit5432didnt have it in 11.1001:53
wyldeso sudo works it just spits that error at you every time? ...odd01:53
wyldehmm, just reading the bug report now01:53
bandit5432no biggie just annoying like apparmour errors booting with 3.3 kernels01:54
wyldethere's a new report as well, seems it's not fixed just yet01:54
wyldenot sure if they fixed it upstream in debian yet.01:55
bandit5432wierd that its not effecting more people or maybe people dont see it01:55
wyldeI always have a terminal open, I have yet to see that error01:56
bandit5432scratched head01:56
bandit5432scratches'01:56
wyldehmmm did you see comment #401:57
wyldehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-mount/+bug/927828/comments/401:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 927828 in sudo (Debian) "sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed." [Unknown,New]01:57
bandit5432didnt know if i should try that a a fix or not01:57
bandit5432didnt read the upstream posts01:57
wyldeyeah, I'm not sure that should have been marked as fix released.01:58
wyldeI don't think it should have.01:59
bandit5432looks like they keep sending it back and forth between sudo and pam01:59
bandit5432you on x64?01:59
wyldeI'm guessing that that's the soloution you have for now, until they actually fix it01:59
wyldeyes I am01:59
bandit5432weird02:00
wyldeI've had my fair share of bugs on 12.04 but not that one.02:00
bandit5432i will add a post to the bug i guess02:00
wyldecan't hurt02:00
bandit5432which i hate doing :P02:00
wyldemeh, just consider it your contribution to the community :)02:01
wyldebugs don't get fixed if they're not reported and sometimes a dev or two needs a swat to fix it too lol02:02
bandit5432i get tired of dealing with devs who tell me its a feature not a bug02:02
wyldelol02:02
bandit5432better than the kernel bisecting from last week though02:02
Logan_bandit5432: The "fix" looks more like a workaround.02:03
Logan_(In that bug.)02:03
wyldeLogan_: exactly how I see it, and since it's not actually fixed in any package I don't think it should be listed as fix released.02:04
bandit5432well that does not make much of a fix if it was released02:04
Logan_wylde: Agreed.02:04
Logan_I can't change the status, it seems.02:04
wyldeI can't either02:05
bandit5432i hate errors when i run commands02:07
bandit5432odd i can sudo ls -l fine but i cant sudo cat /etc/issue with out getting the error02:09
bandit5432its the save password bug fro sudo it appears which i dont know which package takes care of02:12
bandit5432could some one try and run multiple sudo commands from a  terminal and see if they get an error?02:14
bandit5432sudo ls -l ask for password sudo ls -l does not ask for password and possibly getting the error?02:14
Will123456does unity 5.8 still have the icon glass reflection effect on the dash?02:18
Cameronhi, I am using precise beta2, updated to current, and I seem to be getting a crash every so often that sends me back to the lightdm login screen.  How do I go about reporting this ? or even knowing which package is effected ?02:18
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ubuntu64bitok when is 12.04 being released? just curious02:58
drklunkwhy does my computer mess up when I enter "unity" into terminal?02:58
jbicha!schedule02:59
ubottuA schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule02:59
drklunki was trying to see what version of unity I was using, so I typed unity version into the terminal and i couldnt use or type anything03:00
bandit5432drklunk, type unity --version to get the version03:03
bandit5432you can also type unity --help to show a list of other options03:03
ubuntu64bitdrklunk: hmmm...i just typed unity in the terminal i see what your saying like it is trying to do some sort of process upgrade does that sound right?03:06
Aethorhi all :)   anyone here got any experience solving problems with Linux and Realtek RTL8111B   (r8168/r8169 driver)?03:14
tanathhow come some windows are themed and others are not? for instance, synaptic is themed, but if i go to Settings > Repositories, the window is not themed03:31
tanathmore importantly, how do i fix it03:31
tanathand why does every OS upgrade break my themes? >_<03:32
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NateWI have a strange crash on 12.04. I can be doing work, or my computer will be idling and I get kicked to the login screen. All of the running applications are closed. I remember this happening on 11.10 when I upgraded the nvidia drivers to 295.20, but I'm not sure if it's related.03:49
tanathif X is crashing, then any GUI app running will also have closed. check ~/.xsession-errors03:51
tanath'tail ~/.xsession-errors' in terminal for last 10 lines03:52
NateWAlright. I'll check that. I'd like to file a bug report, but not being sure of where to look for detailed info can make the bug report unhelpful.03:52
tanathuse 'ubuntu-bug xorg'03:53
NateWI should do that briefly after a crash, correct?03:55
tanathmost of the info gathered won't be dependent on that. anything specific you can add like from the log you should03:55
tanathgathers generic system info mostly, version numbers, etc03:56
NateWtanath: I'll probably do that after a crash to make sure that I can find relevant info that's as fresh as possible.03:56
drklunkhow can I check what version of unity Im using?03:57
tanathyou could just search your logs03:57
NateWI'm just not entirely sure of what's definitive enough.03:57
tanathapt-cache show unity03:57
drklunkthanks!03:57
NateWIf I post part, can you let me know if you think it's causing it?03:57
tanathor 'apt-cache show unity | grep -i version'03:57
tanathfor just the version03:57
tanathsure03:57
NateWhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/914055/03:58
NateWI think it may, but I want to be sure.03:58
NateW[I don't want to be creating invalid bug reports]03:59
tanathdid you disconnect a device?03:59
NateWNo.03:59
tanathor use wireless devices?03:59
NateWI have wireless, but I don't use it.04:00
tanathdoes the system know that?04:00
NateW??04:00
tanaththat's all complaining that a mounted device was unexpectedly unavailable04:00
NateWThen it's probably old.04:01
tanathlike a usb drive that was just yanked, for instance04:01
NateWI probably did pull a device, but that's not what causes the X crash.04:01
tanathor a network path04:01
NateWProbably an FTP mount04:01
tanathwell that's what that log stuff was about04:01
tanathalthough the invalid pointer thing may be relevant04:02
NateWI'm going to clear the log then, and see if it gets populated again when I get kicked.04:02
tanathpossibly cause of X crash04:02
NateWYeah, sometimes I just get it randomly though. I'll just have firefox open idle, and when I return [from making coffee or such] it will be sitting at the login screen.04:03
tanathyou can also check 'dmesg | tail'04:04
tanathalso, you can pass '-30', for instance as tail parameter to display more lines from end04:05
tanathtail -45 or whatever04:05
NateWI'll make sure to check everything I can as soon as I get a crash. Just uploading a large file, and then I'll try to get a crash.04:05
tanathheh04:06
NateWUsually ssh, ftp transfer, firefox download, rendering video == crash.04:06
NateW=P04:06
NateWOr it's just a coincidence.04:06
tanaththat crash seems to be in a python app that uses QT for its GUI04:07
anthroposhas anyone else experienced an issue whereby gnome-shell will occasionally become very slow to respond to keyboard input and mouse clicks? everything else is very responsive, and restarting gnome-shell does not fix it (but restarting the computer does)04:07
tanathanthropos, check logs when it happens?04:08
anthroposi did, nothing obvious (to me, anyways)04:08
anthroposthe console ttys are 100 % responsive04:08
anthroposjust not a terminal in gnome shell, for example04:08
tanathvirtual terminals? or terminal emulators?04:09
anthroposctrl+alt+f1, etc.04:09
tanathso vt04:09
anthroposyes, those are responsive.04:09
tanaththey should be, even if X is bonkers04:09
anthroposbut a terminal within gnome shell is extremely slow to respond to keyboard input. however, gnome shell itself is very fast still04:09
anthropose.g. the window picker is not slowed at all04:09
tanathbut what about other GUI apps?04:10
anthroposthey are all fast except slow responsive to clicking or typing04:10
tanathi thought you said gnome-shell was slow04:10
anthropos*response04:10
anthroposno, i said keyboard input / mouse clicks are slow within gnome shell04:10
anthroposswitching to unity fixes it (without reboot)04:10
anthroposbut then if I switch back to gnome shell the issue returns04:10
tanaththat's a little weird. do you use system resource monitor applets or anything?04:11
anthroposyeah, I use conky usually and nothing is hogging the cpu/mem/disk io04:11
tanathwhat window manager do you use?04:12
anthroposI just use whatever the defaults are for gnome-shell. I literally just installed gnome shell and then picked gnome at startup04:12
tanathshould be metacity then04:13
anthroposcould be. i think doing metacity --replace fixed it though, so im not sure it is04:13
anthroposi could be misremembering. unity --replace definitely fixed it04:13
tanathi haven't used gnome in 12.04 yet, but does alt+f2 still work?04:13
anthroposbut again, it comes back as soon as i do gnome-shell --replace...04:13
anthroposyes, but restarting gnome shell doesn't fix it04:13
tanathnext time try running 'metacity --replace' and see if that has any effect04:14
tanathlol04:14
anthroposk. I believe that fixes it, but I could be misremembering04:14
tanathyeah, that's just reloading the panel04:14
anthroposi don't see metacity running on my box right now so I'm not sure thats the wm i'm using04:14
tanathwhat video drivers you using?04:14
anthroposnvidia proprietary04:14
tanathyou could also install fusion-icon which lets you reload your WM, or pick another on the fly04:15
anthroposwill that work for gnome, i.e. even w/o compiz?04:16
anthropos*gnome-shell04:16
tanathps -ef | grep metacity04:19
tanath?04:19
tanathyes04:19
tanathcompiz is one of the WMs you can choose04:20
anthroposmetacity isn't running04:22
anthroposthe grep command just returns itself04:22
anthroposI didn't think gnome-shell was compatible /w compiz04:22
anthroposi thought it used clutter04:22
tanathcompiz is irrelevant04:23
tanathfusion-icon doesn't change your WM unless you tell it to04:24
tanathok, apparently gnome 3 doesn't use metacity anymore then?04:24
tanathbut if running it fixes your issue, then maybe you should switch to it04:25
anthroposinteresting thought04:25
tanathdo you see clutter running?04:27
anthroposno, but i find it hard to believe that it's not running under some name04:28
tanathdo you have titlebars on your apps?04:29
tanathwith close, maximize, minimize?04:29
anthroposno minimize or maximize, but yes I have titlebars04:31
anthroposit has close.04:31
trismthe gnome-shell binary is linked with libmutter (so it is its own window manager, there isn't a separate process)04:31
tanathok04:31
tanaththen maybe file a bug report on gnome-shell04:32
tanathtrism, perhaps you know how to get a consistent theme across apps?04:33
tanathevery OS update breaks my themes, and then when i apply one it doesn't affect all apps :(04:33
trismtanath: if it doesn't apply to apps such as firefox but to others you are probably missing a gtk2 theme04:34
trismtanath: which theme are you using?04:34
tanathbefore upgrade to 12.04 i was using the audacious theme (aud-default), but that broke. so i switched to darklooks, but half my apps aren't themed04:35
tanathlike, synaptic is themed, but if i go to Settings > Repositories, that's not. nor is epiphany, etc...04:36
tanathi'm using xfce btw04:37
trismtanath: yeah, that is a gtk2 gtk3 thing, synaptic uses gtk2, but software-properties-gtk is gtk304:37
trismtanath: you'll need to find a theme that provides both04:37
tanathTBH, the only themes i can find that i want to use, are pretty much the audacious theme, or darklooks04:38
tanathi'm rather picky. unfortunately i don't know how to do my own themes. if i could i'd fix audacious, most likely04:38
tanathi read on a forum thread that upgrading to audacious 3 would fix it to work with gtk3, but i have version 3 and no joy04:39
OffGridOps12.04 upgrade from 11.10:  I have no sidebar (Unity I guess its called) nor do I have a top bar (signal, time, etc.)  I can access terminal.  Anything I need to install so I can use the system?  Thanx!04:42
tanathOffGridOps, sounds like you'd rather use gnome. try logging out, and choosing gnome when you log in04:43
tanath(click user, then choose your session, then enter password)04:43
OffGridOpsok, brb and thanx!04:43
tanathnp04:43
bandit5432i must be stupid how do i change volume with scroll under gnome classic?04:44
tanathusually you can scroll wheel on the volume icon in tray. is that what you mean?04:45
tanathas long as the mouse is over the icon04:45
bandit5432yes its not working for me middle click mutes and un mutes04:45
tanathTIL i can middle-click it too...04:45
trismbandit5432: yes middle click mutes unmutes but scrolling the wheel should change the volume04:46
bandit5432i have to click the icon then scroll over the volume bar to get it to change04:46
tanathverify your scroll wheel is working?04:46
tanathmm04:46
tanathsounds like a bug04:46
bandit5432weird04:46
tanathtry removing it and readding it?04:47
tanathor just reloading the panel04:47
trismbandit5432: what are you scrolling with, mouse wheel, touchpad, ...?04:47
bandit5432mouse wheel04:48
trismhmm04:48
tanathtrism, that _shouldn't_ matter, but could it?04:48
bandit5432i remove indicator applet and added it back do i need to gnome-panel kill?04:48
tanathgnome-panel --replace will suffice04:49
trismremoving and readding will restart it, you don't need to kill the panel04:49
trismyou don't actually even need to remove/re-add, you can: killall indicator-applet-complete and click Restart04:49
bandit5432nope04:49
tanathwhy kill it when you can do it gracefully?04:50
tanath'gnome-panel --replace'04:50
bandit5432thats what i did04:50
tanathmmk04:50
bandit5432i dont remember all the commands so i just use what works04:50
tanathtrism, not sure you can assume that's which indicator applet he's using04:51
tanaththere's several04:51
bandit5432i am using the default ot i assume default one let me get a version number04:51
tanathmight want to file a bug report04:51
bandit5432Indicator Applet Complete 0.4.9204:52
trismtanath: yes I am aware, but indicator-applet-complete is added in the default setup04:52
bandit5432wish i could just add gtk2 volume ctonrol to the panel04:52
tanathi believe you can... but since i don't use gnome anymore i can't recall how04:53
tanathi think it's in the add panel items dialog though04:53
bandit5432nope cant add gtk2 things to the gtk3 panels i dont think04:54
tanathright, i think there is a way, i just don't recall..04:55
trismbandit5432: ahh it is broken here too, I was pretty sure I tested that04:55
trismbandit5432: and yes you could use gnome-sound-applet if you preferred, it will show up in the notification area04:56
tanathhrm, maybe not04:56
bandit5432grumbles probably not a bug probably a feature04:56
trismbandit5432: I'll take a look a fixing indicator-applet tomorrow though04:56
tanathbut yeah, there should be other options04:56
bandit5432ty04:56
bandit5432i keep finding bugs and i dont like that i have to many going right now04:57
tanaththat's one of the reasons i use xfce now :-/04:57
tanaththough i like it04:58
Agent_bobhow smooth is the new release so far ?       will an "old" linux hand "cli oriented" be able to stand all the bells and whistels ?04:58
tanathi heard good things about unity, so i decided to give it another shot. it's not even usable :(04:58
tanathAgent_bob, depends on whether they're useful for you04:59
bandit5432tanath, i have lxde xfce installed as well04:59
Agent_bobbells and whistels useful?04:59
tanath(and work)04:59
Agent_bob /blinks04:59
bandit5432i kept with gnome-classic from last realease untill now04:59
tanathlol, yes. extra stuff may not be necessary for you, but can be to others. what constitutes "bells and whistles" is subjective05:00
tanathbandit5432, yeah05:00
tanathAgent_bob, i use a number of compiz plugins that would be bells and whistles to most, but i would really hate to do without05:00
tanathlike the negative plugin. i find useful. not for everyone though05:01
bandit5432i agree tanath  each person has a certain way they want things to work and whats bells and whistles to one is required by another05:01
tanathnegative plugin is great when my dark themes are broken (as is the case every upgrade). then i can invert the window and yay05:02
bandit5432lol05:02
tanath\o/05:03
Agent_bobi used ubuntu 6.6 until 9.10 came out...  tried 10.4   couldn't stand it.    stuck with debian until... well still using it.    on knoppix atm.    is ubuntu 12.4 more the same dirrection that 10.4 was headed or did it reset somewhere along the way?      i guess what i'm asking is.   saw it designed to impress "windows" USERS?05:03
Agent_bobsaw/was/05:03
tanathAgent_bob, what's the prob with 10.04?05:04
tanath12.04 seems to be more stable than most previous releases, though unity is still a horrible mess05:04
bandit5432Agent_bob, the same direction and then some with gnome taking another direction in the middle of those releases05:04
Agent_bobnothing if you only install the server and can get along with upstart    ;/05:04
tanath(in my experience anyway)05:04
tanathAgent_bob, i think it's more focused on tablet/touch screens actually05:05
tanathwindows 8 is going that way too05:05
OffGridOpsno go.  i selected cairo dock w/gnome and it still is the same.  The only options are cairo with gnome listed twice with white circles (clicking them does nothing and sends me back for the password), ubuntu 2d/ubuntu (both have the ubuntu logo in the white circle and xbmc with a white circle05:05
bandit5432the only redeeming thing is how bad windows 805:05
Agent_bobbandit5432   ah.   ok.   thanks.     well i'll give it a look sometime maybe.05:05
tanathwindows 8 gets a lot of hate, but it's making steps in the right direction05:05
bandit5432Agent_bob, might want to try mint with cinamin or mate05:05
bandit5432windows 8 needs to be 2 os's not 105:06
tanathit's a lot faster, and improved accessibility for many things once you give it 5 mins to learn the interface if it's not intuitive for you05:06
tanathbandit5432, hm?05:06
bandit5432its the same issue that alot of us have with unity, something great on a tablet does not = great on a desktop05:06
Agent_bobbandit5432   heh    ok   but for now i get along with debian just fine.05:06
tanathi agree, they went a bit far with that05:07
NateWtanath: finally got it.05:07
tanathNateW, mm?05:07
tanathAgent_bob, would you consider yourself an advanced linux user? know what you're doing?05:07
bandit5432if he said yes you wouldnt believe him would you?05:07
OffGridOpstanath: is there a way to select that I am missing?  tried to click (right/left), double click, space bar, etc05:07
tanathlol05:08
tanathOffGridOps, for panel items? i believe it's alt+win click.05:08
NateWtanath: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914102/05:08
tanathone of the stupidest design regressions, IMO05:08
tanathalt+win, right-click that is05:08
OffGridOpsok trying now05:09
NateWtanath: except some of the lines are missing, let me paste again05:09
tanathNateW, i don't see anything that looks serious there05:10
tanathmm05:10
OffGridOpstanath: nope, not alt-win rt click or left or ctrl win rt or left.05:10
bandit5432OffGridOps, whats the problem?05:11
tanathit is right click, and there is a win...05:11
tanathtry win+rt-click05:11
OffGridOpsok doing it again after reboot05:11
tanathbandit5432, IIRC, he's trying to add panel items05:11
NateWtanath: sorry, the end of the file was missing, here is the full one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914105/05:12
OffGridOpsyeah i have the win key i will try it rt click and then win key thanx 4 helping me BTW!05:12
tanathNateW, are you logged in on multiple VTs?05:13
NateWNo05:13
tanathweird your X server is on 1.0 instead of 0.005:13
tanathdid it crash and reload?05:13
NateWI actually get a completely black screen if I switch to another VT05:13
NateWIt crashed and reloaded.05:13
NateWSo I can't use any of the vt's except f7.05:14
NateW(Which is X)05:14
bandit5432ewww05:14
tanathi don't see anything that looks like a cause of an X crash05:14
bandit5432you might have to high of a res and or no console loading05:14
OffGridOpsrt then win did not work.  is there a way to simply force it through terminal or hot keys so i can at least navigate?  all my folders are on the screen, but if i cant have some kind of GUI to get to programs etc it would b a problem05:14
tanathOffGridOps, win+rt05:15
bandit5432no should be alt+right click05:15
OffGridOpsdid that earlier and nothing.05:15
tanathOffGridOps, ctrl, alt, win, shift, are all modifier keys. you hold them while tapping something else05:15
bandit5432some people have to switch to the other alt key05:15
OffGridOpsi understand05:15
NateWanything in here [dmesg]: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914109/05:15
bandit5432OffGridOps,  have you updated  ??05:16
NateWI see it I think: segfault in nvidia_drv.so05:16
tanath"Disabling freq 2484 MHz..." o_O05:16
bandit5432i had a problem with beta1 panel crashing and i could not change anything05:16
OffGridOpsyup sudo apt-get update05:16
OffGridOpsi had the bars before i updated a couple hours ago05:16
bandit5432you dont have any panels?05:16
OffGridOpsthe update had me file all kinds of launchpad bugs through my acct  no no panels anywhere05:17
tanathNateW, the second drive needs to be checked: EXT4-fs (sdb1): warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended05:17
NateWI saw that. I'll fsck it tonight.05:17
tanathNateW, can check with gparted05:17
tanathmmk05:17
NateW3tb.05:17
bandit5432OffGridOps, are you running gnome classic with effects or with out?05:17
tanathNateW, that could be causing all kinds of issues, including x crashing05:17
NateWwhat about the Xorg segfault =P05:18
tanathopenshot crashed05:18
bandit5432OffGridOps, another thing is this a a fresh profile or is it an old one?05:18
NateW3 segfaults: line 57, 64, 7105:18
OffGridOpsi am at the login screen now i tried both and nothing will apply the ubuntu logo to anything but ubuntu and ubuntu 2d  my issue is that basically05:18
tanathcaused issue in nvidia driver05:18
NateWor 2, not sure what the last is.05:18
tanathcould have crashed due to file system errors, possibly :P05:18
bandit5432OffGridOps, make sure you installed gnome-panel05:19
OffGridOpsis there a way via terminal to do it?05:19
NateWwhats the [#####.####] at the beginning, time?05:19
bandit5432yes05:19
bandit5432sudo apt-get install gnome-panel05:19
tanathNateW, not actually sure. possibly05:19
tanathit is incremental, so that's been my guess05:19
OffGridOpsthat may be the issue i dont know it worked today what happens when i click alt rt click is that the white circle stays white and then orage highlights the perimiter05:19
NateWI'm thinking it is.05:19
NateWSo the openshot crash was way before hte xorg one.05:20
NateW*the05:20
bandit5432OffGridOps, so you have not even logged in yet?05:20
tanathexcept the high variability in values05:20
NateWtrue.05:20
tanathNateW, don't think you can assume that05:20
NateWWhen it crashed, openshot wasnt running.05:20
NateWThat was hours ago.05:20
NateWI'm thinking it's the nvidia driver, no?05:21
NateW[nvidia_drv.so]05:21
bandit5432bah my menus are not alphabetically sorted again05:21
NateWOn 11.10 I was running fine, then updated to 295.22 and then had the exact same issue as now.05:21
tanathwell you might want to file a bug report with these: [30168.523350] Xorg[5066] general protection ip:7f4d37605af9 sp:7fff1c0b65f0 error:0 in nvidia_drv.so[7f4d375a4000+6e0000]05:21
tanathas i said, yes05:21
tanathuse jockey to try a different driver?05:22
NateWAlright, and I should start by using "ubuntu-bug xorg"?05:22
snadgelol @ people having problem with nvidia drivers.. thats unpossible!05:22
tanathNateW, well, it looks to be in the nvidia driver actually05:22
trismbandit5432: just for informations sake, I fixed the indicator-applet scroll bug, just needed to add GDK_SCROLL_MASK which was added in the newer gtk, I'll submit a bug and push it up tomorrow when I am not half asleep05:22
NateWhaha.. I havent had issues with the drivers until 295.22 was released.05:22
tanathNateW, so figure out what nvidia package you're using and do that one05:22
NateWfor 5 years now.05:23
bandit5432trism, awesome ty so much05:23
tanathsnadge, :P05:23
NateW=P05:23
NateWso, ubuntu-bug <nvidia-package-name>?05:23
tanathmm05:23
NateW[just double checking]05:23
bandit5432now thats what i call bug fixing05:23
hhohto do bug fixing what we have to do basically05:24
hhohbandit5432,05:24
bandit5432must get tiring actually unless you like coding05:24
hhohbandit5432,  ok you mean we have to understand that thing , what it can do05:25
bandit5432yes05:25
snadgeyou nvidia users need to sell your nvidia trash.. and buy amd/ati.. so you know what real driver quality means05:25
* snadge chuckles05:25
NateWAlright, I should be able to do the rest. Thanks for your help tanath.05:25
bandit5432snadge, ahaha05:25
tanathi've never been able to put much stock in people's claims to one being better than the other05:26
hhohbandit5432,  ok suppose a bug filed in launchpad , whats the first steop we have to do for that05:26
hhohstp05:26
tanathati and nvidia both have issues05:26
bandit5432you have to verify its actually a bug05:26
snadgethe radeon driver is actually pretty good.. if you dont care so much about games performance05:26
tanathsnadge, got anything without such a caveat? :P05:27
snadgeso amd wins on open drivers.. nvidia edges ahead slightly with proprietary ones.. but have seemed to regressed in recent times.. almost as much as amd has improved ;)05:27
tanathnvidia joined linux foundation05:27
tanathetc, etc05:27
bandit5432i need to stop finding bugs05:27
tanathbandit5432, why would you say such a thing?05:27
stuntman_danahoy!05:28
snadge12.04 needs to be perfect05:28
bandit5432i hate posting bug reports!05:28
snadgeive clicked me too on heaps of reports05:28
tanathat least ubuntu-bug makes it easy05:28
snadgeand occasionally made a flippant comment :P05:28
bandit54321 kernel bug 1 libreoffice several precise bugs the last 2 weeks i am tired05:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105:28
snadgehaha05:29
tanathlol05:29
tanathwhy grammar matters ^05:29
bandit54321651 comments to many to read05:30
stuntman_dandoes anyone have any experience getting their amd switchable graphics set up?05:31
bandit5432i am out night nights05:31
NateWwell, that's finished. Hopefully it gets fixed. Otherwise, I'll be downgrading drivers to an older version.05:32
NateWI think it was 290.xx or something like that.05:32
OffGridOpssorry my son was crying had to fix a bottle.  it is installing the gnome package now05:34
snadgemy son sucks on his mothers booby05:34
snadgei got out of that task :p05:34
OffGridOpsdone installing rebooting now05:36
NateWtanath: seems i have a bad sector. Time for warranty. =D05:36
tanathwell, i'm going to dodge that conversation. bye bye05:36
tanathmm05:37
OffGridOpsso what i have now is gnome with and without effects (footprints on each), ubuntu and ubuntu 2d (w/ubuntu logo) and it displays the top bar with the stuff normally there; however, the left hand side bar with all the icons is not there05:41
OffGridOpsmuch better at least.  do i need to manually install the left bar now somehow?05:42
LetterRiphi all is zram swap enabled by default?06:24
stuntman_danhey is anyone around that can give me a hand interpreting this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1171274806:37
dubacoi have a streaming issue, in ubuntu 12 i think it's ip tables06:52
dubacothe issue is this: when i stream sound in windows it works fine, but in ubuntu it wont as the page says i have insufficent bandwidth - i have a 10mb connection06:53
dubaco*we are talking about bbc iplayer06:55
MechanisMI'm creating online gtk2/gtk3 theme generator. Anyone interested in this project to help me?07:06
RabenklaueHi, I'm curious about the new things in Qt5.0 especially QtQuick2.0 and therefore added ppa:forumnokia/fn-ppa (via apt-add-repository) to my kubuntu packaging system. But I'm unable to find any qt5-* packages.08:25
RabenklaueI ran "apt-get update" but "apt-cache search qt5" does not give any results (except libmgl-qt5 - which is not relevant for me).08:25
glosoliqt5 isn't out yet08:25
glosoliRabenklaue: or is it ?08:26
Rabenklaueglosoli: No it is not out, yet (only in beta state)08:29
glosoliRabenklaue: anyway looking forward to it, that's gonna be something goood! :>08:29
RabenklaueBut I hoped to get it from ppa:forumnokia/fn-ppa , which actually seem to include qt5 stuff08:29
glosoliRabenklaue: does that ppa has precise support08:30
glosoli ?08:30
Rabenklaueglosoli: It looks, as it has: http://ppa.launchpad.net/forumnokia/fn-ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/08:31
glosoliRabenklaue: it isn't08:32
glosoliRabenklaue: check folder, they are empty :)08:32
RabenklaueHmm, well - ok...08:32
RabenklaueHoped it might be as easy getting bleeding edge stuff as I was accustomed using gentoo.08:33
glosoliRabenklaue: it is supposed to mean just they will be building it for precise when the right time comes08:34
RabenklaueWell, than I'll have to compilie it manually08:34
Rabenklaueglosoli: Thanks anyway08:34
glosoliRabenklaue: Precise is still in beta, you can't even get GIMP 2.7.x in it with ppa in Oneiric you can08:35
glosoli:)08:35
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c0rnelwhat's the way to log into the old style gnome?08:48
foobArrrhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-plugins-main/+bug/878820    Do I understand that right: cycling through window sizes with compiz grid doesn't work on 12.04 (and 11.10), and that is intentional and will not change?08:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 878820 in compiz-plugins-main (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Window Management, Keyboard shortcut - The grid keybindings are behaving inconsistently" [High,Confirmed]08:48
c0rnelsalut08:54
c0rnelctrl-z :)08:55
scientesc0rnel, just select gnome-classic from the menu, when the ubuntu icon is next to your login name09:03
scientesyou might have to install it, im not sure09:03
* scientes uses gnome-shell09:03
c0rnelscientes, it's not there, gnome-session-fallback is the package name?09:05
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FreeRunhi09:18
FreeRunI have problem with dhclient IP renew under 12.0409:19
FreeRunservices also don't work to renew address09:19
scientesc0rnel, yes, gnome-session-fallback will give you gnome-class09:23
* scientes is not sure if only debian renamed it gnome classic over upstream's "fallback:09:23
c0rnelthank you scientes09:23
scientesfedora is trying to push gnome-shell so hard that they implamented llvmpipe to do CPU rendering09:23
* c0rnel knows that :)09:23
c0rneli also know that is not working as planned on his ol netbook09:24
c0rnelthis09:24
FreeRunhow to realase dhclient under 12.0409:28
FreeRunwhen i'm trying with dhclient eth0 don't work09:28
c0rnel man dhclient | grep release -C509:29
FreeRunthx09:29
c0rnelnp09:29
FreeRunhmm... i'm trying to release another time but its not work09:31
FreeRuncould you write me correct syntax to do that?09:32
FreeRuni don't know whats wrong09:33
FreeRuno...09:34
FreeRunits work now09:34
FreeRunafter today upgrade usage of ram dropped by half09:37
FreeRunand super key function starting correct after restart09:37
FreeRunin mac book pro 3.1 with pommed installed09:37
scientesFreeRun, despite using dhclient alot, i've never had to release a lease09:39
scientesis this in a VM on VMware fusion or Parallels FreeRun ?09:39
FreeRuni have two networks, one wifi antoher cooper 1gb09:39
scientesor is it native ubuntu install?09:39
scientesyeah, but networkmanager usually deals with hotpluggin pretty transparently09:40
FreeRunwhen i'm restarting sometimes firs connect wifi but when i'm disabling it and using eth009:40
scientesif you are actually physically unplugging a cable09:40
FreeRunits don't work09:40
scientesyou can just uncheck wireless in the networking menu09:40
scientesin the top right09:40
FreeRunin 10.04 lts i was typin # dhclient eth009:40
FreeRunand everything was ok09:41
scientesyou should avoid using dhclient directly09:41
phaidroshi, is there any way to get Alt-F10 or another useful shortcut back to maximize windows?09:41
scientesyou have to bring down the wifi09:41
FreeRunhmm... ok, and what is the better solution?09:41
scientesFreeRun, if you want to disable it09:41
scientesFreeRun, use Networkmanager, in the top right09:41
FreeRunok, and how to refresh IP?09:42
FreeRunon eth009:42
scientesphaidros, system settings,09:42
scientesphaidros, finding sub-menu...09:42
scientesphaidros, keyboard->:shortcuts09:43
scientesFreeRun, you dont have to refresh ip, you just want to turn off the wifi09:43
FreeRunok, i will check09:43
scientesFreeRun, also, you never said if you are running the ubuntu on the hardware, or in a virtual environment09:44
FreeRunhardware09:44
FreeRunmac book pro 3.1 with 10.04lts no problems09:44
scientesFreeRun, you might also want to look into the fn_mode kernel parameter for your function keys09:44
scientesFreeRun, did you install dnsmasq manually in your 10.04 by chance?09:45
FreeRuni'm using pommed and now its quite ok09:45
scientes(unlikely)09:45
phaidrosscientes: thanx. A bit odd place for the shortcuts, usually they have been in top menu in gnome :)09:45
FreeRunhmm.. i don't remember09:45
phaidros(/me was fiddling with ccsm with no luck so far :)09:45
scientesyou would probably know FreeRun so lets ignore it09:45
FreeRunok, wifi turned off09:46
FreeRuneth0 without address09:46
foobArrrI'm just trying 12.04, because of the grid issue mentioned above. http://s3.imgimg.de/uploads/gridf7673b6cjpg.jpg <- what is this <Primary> key?09:46
scientesFreeRun, can you paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ?09:46
FreeRunhmm... its. on another machine i must rewrite it :)09:47
FreeRunwhat you want to know?09:47
phaidrosas we are with network manager already here, I have another one: using the vpn feature of the network manager, I get 127.0.0.1 as nameserver in resolv.conf. there the nameserver of the remote network (vpn) is configured, but simply doesnt work .. any hints on that?09:47
scientesfoobArrr, primary is left-click, if you have right-handed mouse setup, and right click for right-hand mouse layout09:47
phaidross/there/in dnsmasq/09:47
scientesphaidros, that is because networkmanager now embeds dnsmasq09:48
scientesthis causes people who try to set up their own custom dnsmasq setups09:48
phaidrosscientes: yeah, dnsmasq gets the remote dns server added, but seems not to use it ..09:48
scientesto have problems09:48
scientes(like me)09:48
foobArrrOo how do you press ctrl+super+left+mouse with only two hands?09:48
phaidrosscientes: argh, sounds like no fun09:48
scientesphaidros, look at the command line to the dnsmasq instance, NM is writing a special config file09:48
scientesfoobArrr, that is left as an excercise to the reader :P09:49
scientesfoobArrr, oh, wait, that could also mean the primary control buttom, i.e. left control09:49
foobArrrleft control + super + left works, thanks09:50
madrazrHello everyone, I had asked this a couple of days earlier but with no luck, asking again09:51
scientesphaidros, yes, while dnsmasq is good software, it should either use system-wide dnsmasq setup, or access its own dnsmasq over a AF_UNIX socket instead of hogging port 5309:52
scientes(IMHO)09:52
madrazrI am using Unity 2D and using CCSM I changed the keybindings of HUD from Alt to Alt+Super09:52
phaidrosscientes: I agree09:52
scientesthe socket solution  probably requires more invasive changes, so it wasn't done09:52
madrazrbut every time I do Alt+Tab I still get that HUD thing which is very annoying09:52
foobArrrand cycling through window sizes really doesn't work anymore, that sucks. :/09:52
scientesand wouldn't work with propritary crap perhaps09:52
madrazrhow do I fix this, can some one help me please?09:52
phaidrosjust out of curiosity, where does nm take the server=/domain.tld/1.2.3.4 from in case of vpn?09:52
phaidros(found in /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf)09:52
madrazrI am on 12.04 beta 209:52
howlymowlyhi poeple...  in kubuntu precise 11.04,   my kmail isn't working with googlemail anymore..  it always says:  "login failed server replied A000002 NO invalid credentials (Failure) [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED]  I definitly know that my password and username arecoorect as well as the settings since it used to work in kubuntu 11.04 and I didn't change anything just upgraded to precise09:54
howlymowlyi mean it used to work in kubuntu 11.1009:54
howlymowlyand right now aI have 12.04 :)09:55
howlymowlysorry09:55
blamihmm it seems that adobe flash player causes flicker in launcher. Anybody else affected by this bug?10:02
scientesblami, "launcher"?10:02
scientesphaidros, man dnsmasq.conf ?10:03
blamiscientes: yep i don't know how to name it - left bar with icons10:03
scientesblami, ahh, thats called "unity" and its a ubuntu thing, is the flikr directly above flash player in the "HUD" from clicking the ubuntu icon ?10:04
blamiscientes: every time flash content is launched inside chromium new icon quickly pops and dissapears causing minor flicker10:04
scientesblami, what is the icon?10:04
blamiscientes: well I tought that unity is whole desktop including dash, global menu and other ubuntu specific things10:05
scientesblami, unity is an extention to compiz10:05
Fudgedoes kubuntu need a 3d graphics card? i get error when using startx cant load fglrx, when i use that drive my xorg goes to 100% cpu though10:06
scientesFudge, are you using precise?10:06
Fudgeyes10:06
scientesthen the FOSS radeon driver is pretty good10:06
Fudgei used the amd driver from their site and it still gave me problems, just took longer to do it though10:06
scientesand you really should use fglrx with recent kernels IMHO10:07
Fudgewhat's FOSS stand for10:07
scientesas radeon has made alot of progress10:07
scientesFree and Open Source Software10:07
scientesFree as in freedom10:07
scientesthe "radeon" driver is FOSS10:07
scientesunlike the fglrx one10:07
blamiscientes: rather than that I believe to information from http://unity.ubuntu.com/ :)10:07
Fudgeeverything is updated daily10:08
scientessounds like kwin is blacklisting radeon10:08
Fudgeim on 3.2.0-2010:08
scientesFudge, precise hasn't been released, so yes alot of packages are updating10:08
Fudgeyep i'm aware of that, been using it since alpha 1, thanks though :)10:08
blamiscientes: nm I will report bug against unity10:09
scientesblami, http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/unity10:09
scientesits a plugin to compiz10:09
scientesbut yes, it is very core to ubuntu10:09
scientesand is ALSO implamented as a standalone along with metacity (unity-2d)10:10
scientesblami, reporting a bug is a good idea, DO include a screenshot showing what you are talking about10:10
blamiscientes: ok10:11
ironhalikhmm, how would you compare nouveau to whatever opensource drivers ATI cards use?10:11
Fudgescientes  I hope this helps you gain an idea of my hardware, http://paste.ubuntu.com/914326/10:12
ironhalikIm thinking about some mid/low end card for my ubuntu desktop, and nouveaus are quite problematic10:12
scientesironhalik, https://ickle.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/cairo-performance-on-radeon/ https://ickle.wordpress.com/2012/03/30/cairo-performance-on-ion/10:13
blamiironhalik: why don't go with intel? Unity works well on my X310010:13
scientesnvidia is currently the best graphics driver avaible for linux performance wise, if you want FOSS go with radeon10:14
scientesironhalik, also, in my experience nouveau varies alot over the differn't nvidia subarchs10:14
ironhalikI get quite a performance hit on nouveau10:15
ironhalikand binary drivers cause Xorg to eat my cpu10:15
scientesof which the one i'm using currently nv40 is supposedly being rewritten ATM, so i cant run gnome-shell with it (yet)10:15
scientesbut i look forward to switching to nouveau10:15
ironhalikblami: to go with intel, I would need to change the whole platform :)10:15
blamiironhalik: aha ;)10:16
scientesironhalik, i've gotten good experience with the radeon driver on ATI10:16
scientesbut only for desktop work, not games10:16
scientesgames only work well with nvidia propritary in my experience10:16
blamiironhalik: only problem i've had with my previous ati-based workstation was suspend10:16
* scientes has working suspend with radeon driver, while nvidia has corruption issues after suspend10:17
Fudgescientes  I already have isntalled xserver-xorg-video-radeon10:23
Fudgemaybe that is why the fglrx driver was giving me issues?10:23
scientesno, you can use fglrx with the radeon driver installed10:24
scientesbut you have to reboot after install fglrx10:24
scientescause you cant really unload the radeon driver after you have loaded it10:24
scientesthe problem is that kde is asking for fglrx10:25
scientesyou really dont need it10:25
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Fudgescientes  its actually kubuntu-desktop I have installed on ubuntu but same anyway I guess, when ever I install fglrx and reboot xorg goes to 100 cpu and i dont know how to kill zomby process, i have to ssh into this box to try and fix and usually ends up in a apt-get remove and reboot10:29
Ian_Cornezombi processes are killed by init.d10:30
Ian_CorneI think10:30
snadgelol.. fglrx10:30
snadgei feel your pain Fudge10:30
snadgeexcept kde? what are you.. on drugs? :P10:30
Fudgesnadge  i think so, I was just wanting to look at it for acessibility to see how orca was coming along with it10:31
Fudgesame with xubuntu-desktop, should see the updates daily I get loL10:31
FudgeIan_Corne  are you saying they should be killed automatically?10:31
scientesFudge, then dont install fglrx, the OS would be better without it, and I for one, think it is the time----ubuntu use to have a big warning against propritary drivers, but now they are slacking on their commitment to FOSS10:31
scientesFudge, here is an intro to FOSS: www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html10:32
Fudgehow can I make kubuntu not try and load it though scientes10:32
scientesFudge, i'm not sure, sounds like a bug to me, considering how good radeon is these days10:33
FudgeI have put a xorg.conf in X11 telling it to use vesa but think I need to restart X for it to attempt to work, to see if it helps10:33
Fudgescientes  I have not come across anyone in here that has had problems with 100% cpu on xorg when using fglrx.10:33
scientesugggh versa is horrible, use radeon10:33
scientesyeah, kde wont work with vesa10:33
scientesbut it should work with radeon10:34
Fudgeshould I need to configure it do you think or jsut let ubuntu do what it does in relation to xorg10:34
phaidrosscientes, the answer was, that vpn server just pushed a wrong domain. so nm gets the dns foo from the vpn server's pushed stanzas10:34
scientesphaidros, yep10:34
snadgelets be realistic.. the free drivers suck10:34
scientessnadge, radeon works fine10:35
snadgethats why theres no crusade against them.. due to pragmatism10:35
scientesand fglrx sucks snadge10:35
Fudgewell im blind so 3d support i dont really care for, but i do want stuff to work10:35
snadgeno radeon does not work fine10:35
snadgeit sucks balls10:35
scientessnadge, fglrx sucks10:35
snadgeif all you want to do is run compiz.. on a desktop pc.. then maybe its fine10:35
snadgeradeon has no power management.. woeful 3d performance10:35
snadgehdmi audio out.. doesnt work10:35
snadgeno video acceleration10:36
scientessnadge, if you want real perfornce fglrx sucks, and radeon DOES have power management, it is only turned on by default in 3.2+10:36
scientessnadge, also, hdmi audio works, i am using it10:36
snadgewith a kernel thats .... not supported10:36
scientesnot supposed by who snadge ?10:36
scientes3.2 is precise10:36
snadgewell last time i checked out radeon.. it failed.. im not saying the proprietary drivers are infinitely superior.. thats far from the case, but they are better for the most part.. for most peopel10:37
scientesand hdmi audio for evergreen is in 3.310:37
scientessnadge, no the propretary fglrx sucks balls10:37
scientesnvidia is a reasonable driver10:37
scientesbut fglrx is horrible10:37
snadgeyou need mesa 8.1 for decent 3d performance10:37
snadgeand last time i tried it.. my computer rebooted after 5 minutes of playing minecraft10:37
snadgeand you have to enable experimental options10:38
snadgethat arn't enabled by default10:38
scientesthats not true10:38
scientesanyways, take your rant somewhere else10:38
snadgeif you want more than 5 frames per second.. its true10:38
snadgeand even then.. its still slower than fglrx10:38
scientessnadge, you cant get good performance with ati on linux period, atm10:38
scienteseven with fglrx10:38
scientesfglrx has WOORSE 2d performance than radeon10:39
Fudgemm10:39
snadgeif you can get away with using radeon.. then by all means.. use it.. for a lot of things its better10:39
Fudgethis is a sapphire 1gig card but i cant find the model number, i thought maybe lshw might give the card info to me10:39
snadgebut if you ask me.. radeon and fglrx both suck.. for different reasons10:40
scientesif you want games on linux, you are only going to succeed with nvidia binary10:40
scientesthat is true and i will admit it10:40
snadgeif only they could combine the two drivers into something that doesnt suck ;)10:40
scientesbut fglrx sucks ass10:40
scientesand should be totally scrapped10:40
scientesand by its propritary nature, it cant make anything else better, only hold other stuff back10:40
snadgeim using it right now.. because it runs faster with minecraft *10:40
scientesa little bit10:41
snadge    * only if you use gnome classic no effects10:41
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scientesbut you will probably get much better performance with nvidia driver10:41
scienteson nvidia hardware10:41
snadgelast time i checked.. the nvidia driver didnt support radeon :p10:41
scientesi have to give commendations to red hat however for sponsoring nouveau10:42
scientesthey dont make their money in desktop, to say the least10:42
Fudgescientes  multimedia  Juniper HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5700 Series]10:43
snadgeid give more credit to amd for supporting the radeon effort10:43
Fudgethink that's the card loL10:43
scientesFudge, thats the hdmi audio of the card, yes10:43
scientesFudge, made sure you either have no xorg.conf, or are using the radeon driver10:44
Fudgedisplay     Juniper XT [AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series]10:44
scientescheck if /dev/dri/card0 exists10:44
scientesand look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log10:44
Fudgethat must be the card, yep I removed the xorg.conf10:44
snadgeit appears the kernel im running has no idea what my gpu is :p10:44
Fudgeyes it loads radeon10:44
scientesand then see if kde still complains10:44
snadge03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 681810:44
snadge6818? wtf?10:45
Fudgeyep scientes  it exists /dev/dri/card010:45
scientesFudge, and kde still complains about the driver?10:45
snadgei cant run compiz with the radeon driver on my card.. sapphire 7870 oc10:45
snadgeit just crashes10:45
scientesFudge, just for kicks i would download a kde spin of fedora 17 and see if the graphics work10:45
Fudgescientes  I will do that but will need a sighted person to help10:46
scientessnadge, maybe its like nouveau, works with some cards, not others10:46
Fudgeput it on my todo list though10:46
scientesFudge, ooo10:46
scientesFudge, you should use spark-qt then10:46
snadgei should have bought a 560ti.. but i went for amd.. because im an idiot ;)10:46
scientesFudge, as you don't need fancy graphics10:46
scientesFudge, or maybe gnome classic, as it has much better accessability support10:47
scientes(from what i've heard)10:47
scientesFudge, how do you use IRC (im curious) magnification?10:47
Fudgenah speakup and espeakup10:47
Fudgescientes  what is spark-qt?10:47
FudgeI want to use the unity desktop to assist with accessibility feadback though10:48
scienteswell kubuntu is not unity :)10:48
FudgeI know that10:48
scientesunity-2d perhaps would be better, also gnome-shell needs accessability support, that is what fedora and opensuse and debian ship10:49
scientesFudge, you were using gnome 2 before?10:49
Fudgeyep classic noeffects in natty, now unity-2d10:50
Fudge3d is not really accessible now, was for a while but devs are concentrating on 2d10:50
* scientes always used no-effects, even today with gnome-shell10:50
* scientes doesn't like distracting animations10:50
* scientes has also gotten stuck in compiz's side-scrolling before and had to ask in irc how to disable it :)10:51
Fudgeoh damn10:51
FudgeI find my desktop is laggy and  I think it should be snappy10:51
scientesFudge, have you seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XDTQLa3NjE&feature=relmfu10:52
Fudgeim using a ssd drive 8core 3.6gig and 16gig of ram10:52
scientesFudge, wow, thats a fast system10:53
Fudgeyou woudl think so10:53
Fudgebut desktop still gets laggy10:54
scienteswell, what is eating up all your ram to make it laggy?10:54
scientesFudge, or cpu, you said you were having problems with fglrx before10:54
scientesFudge, its hard for me to imagine how I would use the computer with impaired vision, the other senses would much easier to cope without10:55
Fudgescientes  im nearly blind, can see stuf fpop up on the screen but rely on audio, I use orca and in a console speakup with a software synth10:56
Fudgefirefox is pretty crappy for accessibility, there is something there that makes the speech not very responsive, it has gotten better over the last few years but still laggy10:56
scientesFudge, i saw that the linux kernel had a special driver you can compile to be able to use a braile reader from bootup to shutdown10:57
FudgeCpu(s):  0.9%us,  0.3%sy,  0.0%ni, 98.4%id,  0.3%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st10:58
FudgeMem:  16417164k total, 16215308k used,   201856k free,   222980k buffers10:58
FudgeSwap: 24966336k total,    44476k used, 24921860k free, 13380848k cached10:58
dubacoi cant activate bluetooth on 12.0410:58
dubacoi need to link with anouther machine to save some files10:58
scientesFudge, that video I linked to was Karen Sandler, a gnome front-person, although it wasn't specifically about accessability, i believe she said there was another talk about accessability, although i cannot fint it at the moment, i can look some more10:59
FudgeI have seen a few scientes , the paste was from my top, seems ok to me10:59
scientesFudge, yeah, looks like your computer is underutalized :P, maybe you should have it output megabytes or even gigabytes instead of kilobytes so its less noisy11:00
scientesFudge, also, i'm sure you are already using adblockplus, but it speeds up browsing significantly because the advertisements never load11:01
Fudgeoh scientes  good idea, how do I do that11:02
Fudgeyep plus the famous hosts file11:02
Fudge# http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/11:02
scientesFudge, http://adblockplus.org/11:02
Fudgeplus i use noscript, but its how orca interacts with firefox that is the problem, well not jsut orca, both11:03
scientesFudge, much better than hosts file, as it gets rid of even text ads, and completely removes them from the page, might make your screen reader read you less garbage as well11:03
scientesFudge, gnome might like your input in irc://irc.gimp.net/a11y11:03
scientesFudge, here is the direct link to the ad blocker firefox extention https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/140737/adblock_plus-2.0.3-sm+tb+fn+fx.xpi?src=external-abp.o-en-firefox11:04
c0rnelto make 11.10 upgrade to 12.04 i have to run do-release-upgrade -d?11:04
Fudgethank you scientes , I have it already installed11:04
Fudgescientes  me on gimp [gimp] -!-  idle     : 1 days 14 hours 32 mins 37 secs [signon: Tue Apr  3 06:31:29 2012]11:04
scientesFudge, haha11:05
napsyHello. I'm trying to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer but installation hangs when trying to connect to sourceforge. Any alternatives on how to install the fonts?11:06
scientesc0rnel, for command-line, otherwise use "update-manager -d" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta211:07
c0rnelthank you scientes11:07
scientesnapsy, not really, but redhat has the "libre fonts" which are size-compatible, and which is packages in ubuntu IIRC11:08
scientes*liberation fonts napsy11:08
napsyhm .. I have a web page that uses arial ...11:08
scientesnapsy, the liberation fonts can be used in place of arial without screwing up page layout11:09
napsycool11:09
napsythanks11:09
Fudgescientes  found the f17 beta, ill throw it at a vm later11:11
scientesFudge, putting it in a beta defeats the purpose of checking it with your hardware, but if you dont care about 3d, that doesn't really matter anyways, so there isn't much point11:12
c0rnel*in a vm*11:13
c0rnel:)11:13
Fudgescientes  :$ oops true11:13
scientesc0rnel, yes, in a vm, sorry about that typo11:13
FudgeI'll install to a partition when have a spare hour to make orca work with that stupid gnome-shell11:14
scientesFudge, no, just install gnome-shell in ubuntu, don't bother with the effort of multiple operating systems too much work11:15
scientesapt-get install gnome-shell11:16
Fudgeonly need 10gig scientes  for it and share my downloads dropbox thunderbird speakup firefox on another partition11:16
Fudgesimlinks etc11:16
Fudgealready have 5 os's on  here i tihk, well precise natty lucid debian and cant member other11:17
scientesoh wow, ok so yeah with shared home it is sane11:17
Fudgeyeah i dont share home, jsut simlink11:17
Fudgethat is awful when i tried that a few years ago11:17
astraljavascientes: Not so sure, what with different config file versions etc.11:17
Fudgeyeah shared /home sux, that's why i simlink the main stuff that doesnt change11:18
scientesFudge, eek, symlink home causes alot of problems from my experience, works better if you change it in /etc/passwd, or mount home seperately, even with --bind mounts if need be11:18
scientesahh Fudge now i get it, just the applications that matter, like firefox11:19
scientesCONFIG_A11Y_BRAILLE_CONSOLE in the kernel source, you use that?11:19
Fudgeyou mean brltty11:20
Fudgei dont do braille really, i am australian, we do teach students braille here but I have noticed that US people get tought braille a lot more often than Australian students11:20
scientesyeah, that looked pretty cool when i saw it11:20
Fudgei do use the speakup modules though11:21
Fudgeits good that since natty ubuntu included them in kernels11:21
Fudgewell, that ubuntu finally followed suit with debian and didnt strip it out11:22
testiI find it annoying that all error messages (crashes) are presented to me as popups (reminds me of win95). Can I configure them to appear as notifications?11:48
Cameronhow do I go about reporting a crasher that causes me to be logged out and the lightdm login screen is shown ?11:50
penguin42Cameron: That's probably your X server crashing11:53
penguin42Cameron: I assume you're logged in at the time and all is peachy and than KABOOM and you're back at the login screen?11:54
Cameronyep11:54
Cameronhas happened a few times a day11:54
Cameron is there a way to generate a crash report that can be added as a bug ?11:54
penguin42Cameron: OK, next time it happens, immediately after you log back in open a terminal and do   ubuntu-bug xorg11:54
Cameronok, sweet11:55
penguin42Cameron: Assuming you have a launchpad account then you can fill in all the details and it should upload the X logs to launchpad11:55
Cameronyep, thanks :)11:55
Camerondoes ubuntu-bug just get the most recent crash that is stored somewhere on disk ?  and xorg is the package that it affects ?11:56
Cameroni.e. is it safe to run it right now, if no other program has crashed since xorg crashed ?11:56
penguin42Cameron: Yeh, ubuntu-bug knows for the xorg package to get all the X logs, and X keeps the last one as well as the current one - that's why I say do it immeidately after you log back in11:56
Cameronpenguin42, cool, I can see this in the XogLogOld Segmentation fault at address (nil)11:59
Cameronso, i've submitted a bug.. thanks for your help12:00
philinuxCameron: Take a look at man ubuntu-bug12:01
Cameronphilinux, yep, I shall, cheers mate12:02
penguin42Cameron: What's the bug number?12:02
Cameronhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/97331812:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 973318 in xorg (Ubuntu) "crash when logged in results in login screen being shown" [Undecided,New]12:03
penguin42Cameron: Is it when you do something in particular?12:06
Cameronpenguin42, nope, I havn't noticed any correlation between what I do and the crash happening... its happened about 10 times since I upgraded to oneiric.  sometimes it was when scrolling in chrome, sometimes when editing source code in eclipse12:07
Cameronpenguin42, I leave my pc on overnight, and it was still logged in in the morning, so it must be something to do with me using the pc12:07
Cameronpenguin42, i've had a suspicion that it was the nvidia drivers, so I tried both nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates drivers and they both seem to cause the same crash12:09
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CameronI get frequent flash plugin crashes in chrome - I wonder if that is related, since it was sometimes causing the same problem when I was trying to watch a particular flash video12:10
Cameronpenguin42, it just crashed twice in 4 minutes - both times I was watching a flash video12:14
Cameronpenguin42, i'm going to try and cause it to crash again12:14
Cameronpenguin42, yep, I found a flash video site that seems to crash it each time12:14
Cameroncrash xorg I mean12:15
penguin42Cameron: OK, put a note in the bug saying that you can reliably crash it with a specific string of actions; that's a much 'nicer' bug than one that just goes bang randomly12:17
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Cameronpenguin42, yep, i've done tha12:18
akappaHi everybody, I have a problem with Precise12:36
akappaIn online accounts, I get an "expired credentials" all the time for both my accounts (google and windows live), even though I just logged in correctly12:36
akappawhat's more curious is that both empathy and evolution are logged through google12:37
akappa(but empathy cannot login to windows live)12:37
akappafurthermore I don't really understand how the whole authentication thing works (gnome shell distributes authentication tokens to all the interested apps?)12:37
akappaso it's hard for me to track down the problem12:38
akappafurthermore: don't you think that empathy should get an easy way to show up the contact list? when I "open" empathy from activities and I already have a conversation opened, it just opens the conversation window and not the contact list12:42
akappaand from the conversation window there isn't a convenient way to open the contact list12:42
akappaI have to go to activities, right-click the pinned "empathy" and click "new window", which is kinda annoying and counter-intuitive12:43
ironhalikhmm, how should I file a bug12:50
ironhalikif the affected system got completely unbootable12:50
ironhalikand now, after reinstllation, the configuration has changed?12:50
Myrttimy experimental unity-lens-* thingies seem to flake out :-( and apport refuses to file a bug report because they're from a PPA. what a drag.12:59
elijahDoes anyone know what version of ffmpeg openshot is using for Pangolin? I tried typing ffmpeg into command and no go, I want to check the version because I am having playback issues and I think there is supposed to be hardware acceleration now13:00
akappaapt-cache show <package>?13:01
ironhalik!info openshot13:01
ubottuopenshot (source: openshot): Create and edit videos and movies. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.0-1ubuntu1 (precise), package size 16025 kB, installed size 43611 kB13:01
akappaffmpeg isn't listed in the dependencies13:02
akappait uses ffmpeg through a plugin?13:02
elijahakappa: How did you find that out?13:02
elijahakappa: Thanks, ... show ffmpeg gave me good info!13:03
elijahhmm, so it only has one dependency? lib-avtools?13:03
akappaelijah, looks like ffmpeg is a server. In PP, it's version 4:0.8.1-0ubuntu113:03
agenobarbproblems with the screen resolution on the monoblock HP pro 3420 All-in-One13:04
elijahakappa: Hmm, I know they use the MLT framework too13:05
akappaelijah, btw, if the thing is used as a dynamic library, you can inspect the list of used libraries by performing ldd $(which <application>)13:06
elijahakappa: Thanks, that is helpful13:10
akappade nada13:10
agenobarbvsem privet13:10
elijahakappa: do you know any programs that use dynamic libraries?13:11
akappaalmost every program uses dynamic libraries13:12
agenobarbкто-то запускал убунту на моноблоке HP pro 3420 All-in-One13:12
agenobarbSomeone ran ubuntu on the monoblock HP pro 3420 All-in-One13:12
elijahakappa: I tried on chromium-browser, shutter, firefox & openshot and it says all of them are "not a dynamic executable"13:13
schnuffleelijah:  ldd /path/to/binary shows you the dependencies13:13
akappaelijah, probably $(which <app>) returns the path to a SCRIPT that calls the real thing13:14
akappaandrea@electra:/usr/lib$ file $(which google-chrome) -> /usr/bin/google-chrome: symbolic link to `/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome'; andrea@electra:/usr/lib$ file /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome -> /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable13:15
akappaas an example13:15
akappafor example, reading through that script, you can learn that the "real" executable is /opt/google/chrome/chrome13:16
akappa$ ldd chrome | wc -l -> 7413:16
elijahthx, how did you determine it's sym link?13:19
akappa"file"13:19
akappait tells you what kind of object the file passed as an argument is13:19
elijahi see, I tried that - file $(which chromium-browser) and it returned /usr/bin/chromium-browser: Posix shell....13:20
akappayep13:20
elijahso that is the real location?13:21
akappaelijah, you need to read the thing in order to understand what application it launches13:21
akappaor dig through ps aux after you launched the app13:21
elijahThe thing meaning your example?13:21
akappaI know, things becomes technical at this point, but your question (which version of this thing is used by the app) is technical13:22
akappa"the thing" means "the ELF application launched"13:22
elijahYeah, I understand that, I am just trying to follow your tutorial right now13:22
elijahnot sure what the elf application launched means though13:23
akappathe "binary" app13:24
elijahahh, read the binary13:24
elijahk13:24
akappayep13:25
akappaof course not every applications is an ELF one13:25
akappathere are also interpreted applications13:25
akappafor those the "ldd" thing doesn't work13:25
elijahLibdir?13:25
elijahGot it!13:27
elijahHoly cow does Chromium have a ton of libraries!13:28
akappa74 :P13:30
jim_Can anyone answer this question: if I install the 12.04 beta now, when the real 12.04 is out, can I just use apt-get update and upgrade, instead of downloading and installing again?13:31
akappajim_, it upgrades in the usual way13:31
Picijim_: as ubottu explained in #ubuntu, yes.13:32
jim_akappa, Pici : Thanks.13:32
Picijim_: np, let us know if you have any other questions :)13:32
Picior just leave, that works too.13:32
akappaso nobody have a issue similar to mine about the "expired credential" thing?13:33
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hydesterany way for precise to include a newer version of pigz?  http://zlib.net/pigz/ is at v2.2.4, http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/pigz is at 2.2.3-1, and http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/pigz is only at 2.1.6-1... (over 2 years old)14:18
ironhalikis it me or did unity got a bit snappier lately?14:20
kklimondahydester: you should open a bug requesting sync from Debian and asking for feature freeze exception14:30
kklimondahydester: it should be granted as it's universe package with no reverse dependencies14:30
hydesterkklimonda: cool, thanks14:30
BluesKajkubuntu 12.04/kde4.8.2 plsama just crashed evn tho i wasn't really doing anything except reading text in konversation and I also had chromium open , but that was it14:43
dupondjeUEFI is supported right?!14:58
BluesKajdupondje,  got efilinux installed14:59
BluesKaj?14:59
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dupondjeBluesKaj: just did an install with the cd :)15:06
BluesKajdupondje,  just curious , why UEFI ?15:07
dupondjebrand new laptop ... :)15:07
BluesKajdupondje,  nice , but I'm still wonderng why UEFI ? :)15:08
hydesterkklimonda: i see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pigz/+bug/632462, which would be resolved by a sync from Debian.  is it better to add this as acomment to that ticket or will it not be noticed as much as a new ticket?15:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 632462 in pigz (Ubuntu) "--rsyncable option breaks scripts" [Undecided,New]15:09
kklimondahydester: I'd open a new bug - requestsync command from ubuntu-dev-tools deals with opening a bug and subscribing proper teams to get exception15:11
kklimondahydester: after that add a comment that syncing would fix 63246215:11
hydesterk15:11
kklimondaand when package is synced change the status of 632... to Fix Released15:12
MechanisMHello I have problem with dependencies while installing updates15:19
hydesterkklimonda: is the upsteram changelog, etc. necessary per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_upstream_versions ?15:21
dupondjeHmz, grub2 should be able to boot from logical partition?15:21
MechanisMhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/914664/ and because of it I can't install latest updates15:24
BluesKajMechanisM, try sudo dpkg --configure -a , then sudo apt-get -f install15:24
MechanisMI tried it already15:24
MechanisMgrub-pc depends on old version of grub-pc-bin15:25
MechanisMI have newer installed15:25
BluesKajdupondje,  grub needs to install to / , which should be primary afaik15:25
MechanisMNow I see ready to install new linux kernels and other packages but I can't update because of dependencies problem in grub-pc15:27
BluesKaj!grub215:27
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)15:27
MechanisM!grub-pc15:27
MechanisM!grub-pc-bin15:28
MechanisMjust look http://paste.ubuntu.com/914664/ I have grub-pc-bin 1.99-21ubuntu1 but grub-pc requires grub-pc-bin 1.99-20ubuntu115:29
BluesKajMechanisM,  looks like you might need grub-rescue-pc15:30
spaceneedleMednafen--an emulator--isn't working properly. There is an icon on the launcher but pressing it does nothing. I can't find Mednafen at all if I switch to gnome shell.15:31
Volkodavanybody has this weitd thing that any window gets focus goes white blank ? turning compiz ogg takes care of the issue15:37
MechanisMnried to install grub-rescue-pc and can't - http://paste.ubuntu.com/914679/15:38
BluesKajMechanisM,  have you tried, sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub ?15:42
MechanisMnot yet. hold on15:46
MechanisMoh wait I'm marked it for reinstall in synaptic and appliy 2 times15:47
MechanisMit';s the same?15:47
MechanisMI don't have grub installed I mean grub-pc15:48
MechanisMI can provide access to my pc via TeamViewer15:48
MechanisMand show how synaptic displays errors and warnings while update15:49
astraljavaMechanisM: It'd help if you initiated the commands with `LANG=C ...`, not everyone can read those error messages.16:09
BluesKajMechanisM, I wonder if this will work : purge grub-pc then install grub , then sudo update-grub16:11
markitKubuntu, aptitude full-upgrade hangs so often... seems a sort of lock problem, but googling for aptitude hang does not show reported errors, is something you also have encounter?16:15
BluesKajmarkit,  use apt-get , aptitude has a problem in 12.0416:15
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markitis it a known issue then?16:16
BluesKajwell, known by a few ppl, dunno id anyone filed a bug16:17
BluesKajif16:17
markitholding packages with apt-get seems much more complicated...16:17
BluesKajmarkit,  full upgrade isn't avalid command with apt-get16:18
markityes, that too16:18
markitso two problems at least :)16:18
BluesKajjust do sudo dist-upgrade after sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade16:19
markitok thanks, hope they fix the issue16:21
BluesKajmarkit,  aptitude hasn't kept up , apt-get is further along in development16:21
markitI've always thought that aptitude was far superior and "the next good thing" for apt packages16:22
astraljavaaptitude  just recently got multi-arch support in debian/ubuntu.16:22
astraljavaBut might not be 100%, yet, though.16:22
BluesKajmarkit,  the word was that aptitude was superior til 10.04 or 10.10 , but it's been causing problems16:25
eye-gorastraljava: that would be dpkg not aptitude16:26
BluesKajsince16:26
markitBluesKaj: so is like "deprecated"? for debian also or only _buntu?16:26
markitI've been using it for a long long time, so would love not to "revert back" to apt16:27
BluesKajthere's no official deprecation of aptitude afaik16:27
astraljavaeye-gor: Hmm... shouldn't dpkg have had support for it in order to apt-get having it? AFAIK, apt-get has had it since oneiric.16:28
astraljavaOr has it worked around it before?16:29
astraljavaeye-gor: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html16:30
astraljavaThat's quite some while ago, now.16:30
eye-gorThis is interesting http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11464224&postcount=2216:31
eye-gorastraljava: and yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec16:32
smallfoot-help, gnome-session-fallback broke16:34
astraljavaeye-gor: I'm sorry, I seem to be missing your point.16:34
smallfoot-now the window manager doesn't work16:34
smallfoot-wheni type 'metacity --replace', it works, but not with 'compiz --replace'16:34
ActionParsnipmarkit: aptitude is in the repos, its just not default16:34
ActionParsnipsmallfoot-: are there any bugs reported?16:35
ActionParsnipmarkit: I always preferred apt-fast16:35
smallfoot-ActionParsnip, idk16:35
Logan_smallfoot-: Yeah, mine just freezes up when I do compiz --replace. But I think it's a known bug.16:35
ActionParsnipsmallfoot-: Then report one...16:35
eye-gorastraljava: aptitude is not reliable during testing16:36
astraljavaeye-gor: Yeah, I'm not disputing that. In fact, I just said that it might not be 100% there, yet.16:37
eye-gorastraljava: agreed16:37
ratcheerI am having no trouble with aptitude (knock on wood).16:37
astraljava...and might not ever be, especially if that Colin's statement keeps on holding true.16:38
eye-gorratcheer: if you missed it see this. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11464224&postcount=2216:38
ratcheereye-gor: Ok, thanks.16:39
smallfoot-ActionParsnip, idk16:39
smallfoot-does linux keep a journal of when packages was installed/updated?16:39
dysocoAnyone having problems with SquashFS booting 12.04 ?16:39
astraljavasmallfoot-: /var/log/dpkg.log16:40
smallfoot-thanks16:40
ActionParsnipdysoco: on the instal CD you mean?16:42
dysocoActionParsnip, yes, I get to when it asks for "Try Ubuntu" or "Install Ubuntu"16:42
dysocoActionParsnip, then I click "Try" and BAM, SquashFS error16:42
dysocoalso, Pendrive won't boot, get stucked in SYSYLINUX screen16:43
ActionParsnipdysoco: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?16:43
dysocoActionParsnip, nope, I need to16:44
dysocobut the SYSLINUX error has happened to me before a couple of times16:44
ActionParsnipdysoco: yes, you do need to16:44
Atlantic777I've translated a file for vimtutor, is there a way for my translation to get on the Precise release CD? If this isn't the right place to ask, where should I ask?16:44
ActionParsnip!contribute16:44
ubottuTo contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu16:44
astraljavaAtlantic777: vim isn16:45
dysocoAtlantic777, I don't think Canonical will add more things to 12.0416:45
astraljavasorry, vim isn't on the CD, IIRC.16:45
PiciAtlantic777: #ubuntu-translators would be the best place to ask.16:45
Atlantic777even if it's just one txt doc? :D16:45
Atlantic777Oh, I mean repos, not CD.16:45
astraljavaRight. It'd need an exception this late to the cycle.16:45
Atlantic777Ok, I'll ask translators, too.16:47
PiciAtlantic777: the translation freeze isn't until very close to the release.16:47
jo-erlendwhat process provides the power cog menu?16:48
astraljavaPici: Oh, that's right. LanguagePackTranslationsFreeze was on the 10th, I believe. My bad. Thanks for correcting me!16:49
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Hiob10hiobJ16:56
Hiob10hiobHi, i have some problems with ubuntu 12.04 on my macbook....16:57
Hiob10hiobfirst, it gets very warm16:57
spacebug-I just updated my packages and it removed many many of them.. like gnome stuff. Darn16:58
eye-gorspacebug-: What method did you use16:58
spacebug-synaptic16:58
eye-gorspacebug-: sounds like you should have chose N if it wanted to remove a pile of stuff17:00
spacebug-I did a search for ubuntu-desktop meta package and chosed to install that again and now it will install 84 packages17:01
spacebug-strange though17:01
spacebug-something must have broken that17:01
FreeRuni have checked trouble with installation on samsung netbook17:01
FreeRuninstaller hagns after desktop appears17:02
astraljavaspacebug-: Packages are updated fairly often now, it's possible you hit a bad stretch.17:03
FreeRunanyone trying to install 12.04 on atom?17:03
spacebug-astraljava: yeah my thought also17:04
Dr_willisFreeRun,  12.04 works fine on my netbook17:09
FreeRuni'm trying second install...17:16
Galahadhow is HUD for Libre coming along?17:23
FreeRunDr_willis, maybe it is a problem with encrypting hdd?17:33
penguin42oh that's what MAAS stands for on the Server installs ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/04/ubuntu_maas/ )17:35
ryeanybody from UX here? I think that having Rhythmbox inhibit the session exit while it is playing a song is wrong, but it is currently so18:09
atpa8ahi18:17
FreeRunhow ti install 12.04 lts in text mode?18:19
KM0201text mode?18:20
KM0201download the alt. install cd18:20
FreeRunyes. without gui18:20
KM0201download the alt. install cd18:20
FreeRuna, ok18:20
KM0201thats what its for18:20
FreeRunok, thx18:20
KM0201why do you wan ta text install, vs a GUI?18:20
FreeRuncoz my netbook hanging during installation18:20
KM0201ok18:21
KM0201hae you installed Linux before?... cuz it's not as easy as the live cd, as you have to do everything18:21
FreeRunbut i'm also trying to encryptg 160gb filesystem on Atom 1,6GHz :)18:21
KM0201well, then i would expect problems18:22
FreeRunand i don't know that this may be  a issue?18:22
FreeRunmaybe, after alternate i will try witout encrypting18:22
FreeRuncoz testing version works fine from usb stick18:23
FreeRunbut how to make encrypt filesystem later?18:23
atpa8aencrypt it first separately and then install18:26
atpa8awhy would you want to encrypt the whole drive tho?.. /home should be fine18:26
jtayloryou always want to encrypt the whole drive + swap18:27
jtayloronly home has countless points of leaking18:27
FreeRuni'm trying only home of coz18:28
FreeRun(default option)18:29
FreeRunbut now, i'm installing without encryption,18:29
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atpa8aoh?.. you mean that option to encrypt the home dir?18:31
FreeRunyes18:32
atpa8ai see18:32
FreeRunbut i have workaround18:32
atpa8athat never worked for me18:32
FreeRuni will make a file for truecrypt18:32
FreeRunfor that18:32
atpa8ai mean just make a home partition and encrypt that18:32
FreeRuni'm installing without encryption18:33
FreeRunthe process called "ubiquity" utilize 100% of one cor18:33
FreeRune18:33
andrewacltHow do you get the version of the package you have installed?18:34
Ian_Corneapt-cache policy packagename18:35
andrewacltthanks18:35
andrewaclthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/94610418:35
Ian_Corneyou're welcome18:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 946104 in Ayatana Design "multimonitor: Please give me a way to turn off sticky monitor edges" [High,Triaged]18:35
Ian_CorneI want that too :p18:36
andrewacltI'm running the version is says its fixed in18:36
andrewacltbut I don't see how to enable the settings18:36
Ian_Cornewhat an annoying video18:37
andrewacltIan_Corne, it's status is Fixed released I just don't see it being fixed or I can't find the right settings18:38
Ian_CorneChanged in unity-2d:18:38
Ian_Cornemilestone: 5.8 -> 5.10.018:38
Ian_CorneI'm guessing you're not on unity 5.10 yet18:38
Ian_Corneunity (5.8.0-0ubuntu1) precise-proposed; urgency=low18:38
andrewacltThis bug was fixed in the package unity - 5.8.0-0ubuntu118:39
Ian_Cornedo you have the proposed updates enabled?18:39
Ian_Corne(I wouldn't do it)18:39
andrewacltI'm running 5.8.0-0ubuntu218:39
Ian_Cornehmm18:39
andrewacltbut the janitor says 5.8.0-ubuntu118:39
installfailshi18:42
installfailsiam trying to install xubuntu 12.04 beta2 but ubiquity hangs at the end after i supply my credentials18:42
installfailsmaxes out cpu18:43
FreeRunoh i have similar symptoms :)18:45
installfailscan i simply restart or will my system be broken after that?18:45
FreeRuninstallfails: like you... ubiquity & 100% cpu usage i'm installing on atom now18:45
installfailsy, atom here too :D18:45
FreeRunon mac book pro 3,1 works quite good18:46
penguin42installfails: When you say supply your credentials - when are you supplying credentials?18:46
FreeRuno :)18:46
installfailsi type in my name, password etc. and then hit the next button18:46
installfailsafter that it's gone18:46
FreeRuntry to chenge with ctrl+alt+F118:46
FreeRunto text console and check with top18:46
FreeRunits works but gui freeze18:47
installfailsok, so install is complete and only the gui freezes?18:48
FreeRunat this moment something is in progress :)18:48
FreeRunbut gui freeeze18:48
penguin42there should be a log somewhere to see what's going on18:48
FreeRunbut top shows that...18:49
installfailswell, i waited till the progress bar on the bottom was through (the second time)18:49
installfailslast entry in /var/log/install/debug is:18:49
installfailsError opening file for reading: Permission denied18:50
installfailsand lots of warnings about failing to set locale18:50
FreeRunat this mommen i cannot go to first console :)18:50
installfailswell, ill simply try to reboot and see if it works ^^18:51
installfailsbrb (i hope)18:51
FreeRunoh, another 54/6MB new files in repo :)18:53
trismandrewaclt: they are in ccsm on the experimental tab18:57
trismandrewaclt: oh sorry didn't notice the unity-2d part18:57
ssfdre38what is the current Unity version on 12.04 beta19:10
andrewacltssfdre38, I think 5.8.0-ubuntu219:12
ssfdre38so i dont need to do an manual upgrade19:12
elijahHow do I tell what kernel I am running? I am testing a bug and am not sure if the mainline kernel took as I had no grub menu.19:19
genii-arounduname -r19:19
elijahgenii-around: thx19:29
FreeRuncya19:40
foobArrrwget -O- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/beta-2/xubuntu-12.04-beta2-alternate-amd64.iso > /dev/sde              sde is a usb-drive. will that work? :)19:58
penguin42It's got a chance - I wouldn't probably do it that way, but still20:00
elijahI added a GB worth of files to Ubuntu One and there is no network activity, it is syncing folder names with my other computer but I don't see bits flying. Is there a status section for UO?20:12
elijahIt even says file sync is up to date on both computers20:13
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foobArrrit worked20:27
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dsathewhat is the ubuntu dev channedl ?20:37
dsathechannel ?20:37
dsathe#ubuntu-dev20:37
dsathe?20:37
jtaylorwhy?20:37
jtaylor#ubuntu-dev is the the core dev channel20:38
jtaylor-devel20:38
jtaylorsory20:38
PiciIts a working channel, not a support channel.20:38
dsathewanted to inquire something to someone specific20:38
dsatheya sure no problem20:39
dsathehe isnt on the other channel, needed to communicate some thing important20:39
jtayloryou can message people without being in the same channel20:39
dsatheoh ok20:40
jtaylor /msg nick message20:40
dsatheill try later20:41
dsathedropped a mail :)20:42
Pici:)20:42
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prodigelhi all. After upgrading to 12.04 and some update errors where showing that i didn't manage to fix, I did a superfix: removed my /var/lib/dpkg/info files :S. Now I get a ton of messages complaining about missing files (that's me), and while dis-upgrading errors got mostly fixed I'm left a grub-pc one which scares me a bit, and I don't want to rebot my computer until I get it fixed. any ideas on this? :D help appreciated20:58
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ZoffixI'm having trouble getting Java to work (in a browser). I'm just getting "Applet not initialized" for anything I try to launch :/21:13
PerfMWhaddup my ubuntu friends21:17
prodigelcoming with updates on my grub-pc problem. It seems to be circular reference between grub-pc 1.99-21ubuntu1 and grub-gfxpayload-lists_0.5 amd64... anyone aware of this issue?21:20
ZoffixSeems like reinstalling the "discontinued" Sun JDK (or whatever it's called) is the way to go for me, as some websites can't work with OpenJDK :/21:26
Zoffix*expletives*21:26
astraljavaThat's FLOSS for ya; but hey, Rome wasn't built in a day.21:29
* foobArrr likes the new xubuntu logo21:29
ZoffixYey. After freezing two times it seems to work.21:34
ZoffixI found the fix here: http://debianhelp.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/to-do-list-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04-lts-aka-precise-pangolin/21:35
BlueLaguna_So...after my last dist-upgrade, I can no longer login via lightdm21:35
* Zoffix goes back to study21:35
BlueLaguna_None of the session types show up on the list21:35
BlueLaguna_(Ubuntu, Ubuntu 2d, Gnome, Gnome classic, etc)21:35
BlueLaguna_Any ideas?21:35
BlueLaguna_When I try to login, it just brings me back to the login screen21:36
sweezewhat's best way to get a dev to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/959506 -- not sure if its even assigned to the right package?21:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 959506 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "ssh keys no longer getting added to ssh agent upon login" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:47
jbichasweeze: do you happen to be using the gnome3 PPA or similar PPAs?21:51
seria-mauto anyone who has problems completing install because ubiquity freezes: use alternate install. that's how i finally did it21:51
sweezejbicha: no gnome3 ppa, only google talk/googlemusic/spotify ppas21:52
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atpa8ahmm22:32
atpa8are bug 97296022:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 972960 in linux (Ubuntu) "md fails during install [kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-3.2.0/drivers/md/md.c:6920!]" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97296022:33
atpa8ai think it migt be the "external" metadata(?) that's causing the problem22:33
atpa8ai removed the md array but still get the error22:34
penguin42atpa8a: You might try catching someone on #ubuntu-kernel to ask about it22:34
atpa8ahmm22:35
atpa8atrying22:35
atpa8athanks22:35
penguin42atpa8a: You might have more look in UK day time, but worth a go22:36
atpa8ai'm there22:38
atpa8awill see22:38
atpa8aone test i can do... going to take a couple of hours :P22:38
atpa8amove all the extents back to the md0 and destroy the dmraid array...22:39
atpa8asee if the installer picks it up then22:39
atpa8abut still... ubuntu boots from one of the volumes on that dmraid22:40
atpa8aworth a try?..22:42
atpa8aheh :) or i can just bootstrap a new system22:45
atpa8awhich is much faster :P22:46
atpa8atrying expert mode...22:49
atpa8ano luck :(22:56
atpa8ais there an installer/kernel parameter to disable mdadm?22:56
atpa8anomdadm?22:56
penguin42not that I know of23:00
penguin42it's a kernel module; so you might be able to move the module out of the way before the installer starts23:01
atpa8ahmm23:01
atpa8awasn't the a generic parameter to blacklist the module?23:01
atpa8ahmm23:08
atpa8amdadm --stop?23:08
penguin42possibly if you can get it at the right point - I'm just not quite sure when it is being triggered23:09
atpa8anot working...23:09
atpa8amay be in expert mode before detect disks?..23:10
atpa8acan one skip detect disks and partitioner? do it manually?23:11
penguin42atpa8a: not on the main installer; you may be able to on the alternate disk23:12
atpa8ahmm23:13
penguin42atpa8a: Remind me, are you trying to nuke these arrays?23:13
atpa8ai can do that23:13
atpa8ano23:13
atpa8atrying to install on one of the LVs on one of the array23:13
atpa8as23:13
penguin42ok23:13
atpa8athe lv is ready23:14
penguin42atpa8a: I'd say trying the alternate disk is worth a go23:15
atpa8aswap and /boot too23:15
atpa8awas same problem... tried yesterday23:20
atpa8abut not in expert mode23:20
atpa8ashould i try that?23:20
penguin42you could - to be honest with your current problem the best way is to probably install on an older version and upgrade23:21
atpa8aheh23:24
atpa8amight as well boot into another LV on that raid (previous install) and bootstrap...23:24
psusiatpa8a, why on earth would you want to?23:26
atpa8awhy not? :) box is a small home xen server23:27
atpa8ai install into a new LV every time i want to try something while keeping some installations intact23:28
psusiatpa8a, if you aren't using it, then it won't run or be installed23:28
atpa8apsusi: bootstrap you mean?23:29
atpa8ai can take it to a bootable state :P23:29
psusiatpa8a, huh?  mdadm won't be used or installed if you don't have any raid arrays23:29
penguin42atpa8a: Can I just check the way it's setup; it's an MPT SCSI/SAS card with some drives as separate drives, you build an MD device from that and then make those the PV of the LVM?23:30
atpa8apsusi: really? if i destroy the md0, it won't load at all??23:30
atpa8apenguin42: almost23:31
psusiatpa8a, yea23:31
atpa8ai've a intel fake raid raid1, md0 raid1 and mpt2sas raid1023:31
atpa8apsusi: nice! i'll try! thanks!23:32
atpa8ai moved all the data  from md0 but didn't destroy it23:32
penguin42atpa8a: Haha well, that's possibly the largest weirdest mix of RAIDs 've come across :-)23:32
atpa8aif what psusi is right, if i do, i'll be able to install onto the dmraid23:33
atpa8apenguin42: all my data is on mtp2sas23:33
atpa8aone is unused for now23:33
psusiatpa8a, you should be able to now... unless you are saying that you currently have the same disk(s) in both a software and fake raid?23:33
psusiyou certainly don't want to do that23:33
psusiunless you are dual booting with windows you should avoid the fakeraid23:33
atpa8aanother one i create LVs for guest VMs and hosts23:34
atpa8apsusi: i think mdadm's external metadata feature detects my mpt2sas and fakeraid raids and one or both of those get in the way of normal functioning of mdadm23:35
penguin42psusi: He's hitting a kernel oops in the MD raid detection triggered by parted23:35
psusiatpa8a, hrm... mdadm does now recognize the intel fakeraid metadata, but ignores it unless you configure it in mdadm.conf afaik...23:36
atpa8apsusi: i guess the installer does configure that23:37
psusiohh... kernel bug... should report that then23:37
atpa8acause my /proc/mdstat has both23:37
atpa8apsusi: did report23:37
atpa8aand at that... for some reason /proc/mdstat reports a degrader fakeraid array23:37
psusiatpa8a, can you pastebin /proc/mdstat, mdadm -D on any detected arrays?23:38
penguin42bug 97296023:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 972960 in linux (Ubuntu) "md fails during install [kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-3.2.0/drivers/md/md.c:6920!]" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97296023:38
psusiatpa8a, and this is in the alternate installer without you modifying mdadm.conf?23:38
atpa8aserver installer and last night i tried alternate23:39
atpa8ahmm23:39
atpa8aactually...23:39
atpa8athat mdstat is *very* strange23:39
penguin42actually i'd be surprised if there was much difference between server and alternate23:40
psusiatpa8a, hrm... and how did you do the install?  did you tell it to build any raid arrays?  it should prompt you that fakeraid was detected and ask to activate it.. though there is currently a bug that prevents that from working on the alternate and server cds23:40
atpa8ano23:41
atpa8aarrays were there already23:41
atpa8ahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/915320/23:41
atpa8ai should pay more attention...23:43
atpa8athis is a very weird mdstat23:43
psusiweird... I was actually just testing out mdadm's new support for intel fakeraid the other day and had to run mdadm --scan and append the lines to mdadm.conf to make it attempt to activate it... it should leave it alone and let dmraid activate it by default23:43
psusi( though the dmraid drivers are currently missing from the server/alternate cds )23:43
OffGridOps12.04 upgrade from 11.10:  Is there some way to install Dash (the menu that is normally on the left) or has it not been added yet?  Thanx23:44
psusialso mdadm seems to only have one of two disks in the array23:44
atpa8apsusi: but! md126 and md127 both use sda23:45
penguin42atpa8a: Is that mdstat from a system booted into the installe rand now after the oops?23:45
DaekdroomOffGridOps, what are you talking about?23:45
atpa8awhich is noncense to me23:45
DaekdroomDash's been there in 11.10.23:45
OffGridOpsIn normal ubuntu u have a menu on the left which is a bunch of squares for programs It is no on my 12.0423:46
atpa8apenguin42: this is from server installer with remote ssh in expert mode23:46
psusiatpa8a, that seems to be normal... mdadm treats it as a container, so one md device claims all disks in the raid set, then additional md devices represent each array that the set is divided into23:46
atpa8aok...23:46
psusiatpa8a, what does dmraid -r say?23:46
penguin42atpa8a: Right, but is it after it hit the problem?23:46
atpa8apsusi: dmraid is all kosher23:46
OffGridOpsi installed gnome just to try to navigate23:46
atpa8apenguin42: i think so... can double check, but i think it happens during detect disks23:47
psusiatpa8a, I"m trying to figure out why only sda is in md126 and md127.. it seems there is supposed to be a second disk it thinks is missing23:47
penguin42atpa8a: OK so IMHO if the md code has oops'd then any status it gives could be completely nuts23:48
itaylor57OffGridOps, sudo apt-install ubuntu-desktop23:48
psusiahh, that's true... it oppsed...23:48
OffGridOpsok doing it now brb and thanx!23:48
atpa8apsusi: exactly, bios says the array is OK23:48
psusiso which two disks are supposed to be part of the fakeraid?  sda and what?23:48
psusisda and sdb?23:49
atpa8ayes23:49
atpa8aat least dmraid says it's sda and sdb23:49
OffGridOpssudo: apt-install: command not found is returned23:49
psusidoes dmraid -E /dev/sda and sdb also recognize them as imsm?23:50
atpa8ahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/915328/23:50
atpa8aERROR: option missing/invalid option combination with -E23:50
itaylor57OffGridOps, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop23:51
OffGridOpsah ok thanx and brb23:51
psusiatpa8a, oops, mdadm -E rather23:51
OffGridOps0 upgraded 0 removed and no left menu23:52
atpa8ais erase metadata safe?...23:53
itaylor57OffGridOps, you could try unity --reset23:53
atpa8ai've data on that arrays23:53
OffGridOpsok trying brb23:53
psusiatpa8a, it will destroy the array... if it's a mirror then that should leave you with two identical non raid disks23:53
atpa8ahmm23:54
atpa8awould prefer to avoid :P23:54
* psusi is updating his server daily iso now to try and reproduce this23:54
atpa8apsusi: note, it's only in the installer!23:55
atpa8aif i upgrade a previous install, i've no problem23:55
atpa8ai've a hunch... if i pvmove back to md0 and desroy fakeraid i'll have no problem23:57

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