[00:01] atpa8a: OK, I've tweeked the report a bit [00:05] atpa8a: You may get some moans from stuff asking you to try the latest upstream kernel, which won't help for the installer bug [00:08] penguin42: great! [00:08] i'd try whatever :) [00:09] even thinking to give the alternate cd a try [00:09] yeh worth a go [00:10] some mopping up to do [00:10] grub failed after a RAID 1 install, should I report it? how? [00:11] tarvid: Yes, have you got a launchpad account and can you boot into your system some how? [00:11] Boot repair fixed it [00:12] Yes I have a Launchpad account [00:12] tarvid: Hmm shame - it's kind of better to report while the bug is still there; OK - so was this a fresh install? [00:13] yes, a fresh install but the RAID had been built previously [00:14] and I whined a lot about my networking problems which turned out to be the cable modem/router [00:14] tarvid: OK, so from your booted system type ubuntu-bug ubuiquity and answer the questions; ubuqiuity is the installer and is the normal place to put install screw ups [00:19] How do I enter text in this browser, this is a server install === z_ is now known as larcc [00:26] browser may be w3m but I don't know how to get text in a form field [00:28] thanks to whoever tried helping me get dash working, found the reason the search didn't work: i didn't have zeitgeist [00:36] Now for the awkward part, I sought help with networking and the problem turned out to be routing in the cable modem [00:37] I could talk to a neighbor on the LAN, My laptop on the LAN could reach the Internet, but the machine I was trying to set up could not [00:37] The laptop could because its mac address was stuffed in the cable system somewhere and the server mac address was not [00:38] looks like a bizarre bug that cost me two days [00:38] where would one file such information [00:59] bug #927828 [00:59] Launchpad bug 927828 in sudo (Debian) "sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed." [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927828 [00:59] fix committed can any one confirm that the fix works for them? [01:00] i am still getting that error when ever i use sudo [01:02] sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed.Aborted [01:11] :| [01:42] so no one is getting sudo errors? [01:50] bandit5432: I'm not, and haven't ever. Didi you 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' ? [01:51] yes [01:51] i am getting a sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed. [01:51] Aborted [01:52] which is in bug #927828 which was supposed to have a fix released [01:52] Launchpad bug 927828 in sudo (Debian) "sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed." [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927828 [01:52] su you can't update? [01:52] so* [01:52] no i update just fine i just keep getting a the above error every time i try to sudo [01:53] after the command runs i get the error [01:53] didnt have it in 11.10 [01:53] so sudo works it just spits that error at you every time? ...odd [01:53] hmm, just reading the bug report now [01:54] no biggie just annoying like apparmour errors booting with 3.3 kernels [01:54] there's a new report as well, seems it's not fixed just yet [01:55] not sure if they fixed it upstream in debian yet. [01:55] wierd that its not effecting more people or maybe people dont see it [01:56] I always have a terminal open, I have yet to see that error [01:56] scratched head [01:56] scratches' [01:57] hmmm did you see comment #4 [01:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-mount/+bug/927828/comments/4 [01:57] Launchpad bug 927828 in sudo (Debian) "sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed." [Unknown,New] [01:57] didnt know if i should try that a a fix or not [01:57] didnt read the upstream posts [01:58] yeah, I'm not sure that should have been marked as fix released. [01:59] I don't think it should have. [01:59] looks like they keep sending it back and forth between sudo and pam [01:59] you on x64? [01:59] I'm guessing that that's the soloution you have for now, until they actually fix it [01:59] yes I am [02:00] weird [02:00] I've had my fair share of bugs on 12.04 but not that one. [02:00] i will add a post to the bug i guess [02:00] can't hurt [02:00] which i hate doing :P [02:01] meh, just consider it your contribution to the community :) [02:02] bugs don't get fixed if they're not reported and sometimes a dev or two needs a swat to fix it too lol [02:02] i get tired of dealing with devs who tell me its a feature not a bug [02:02] lol [02:02] better than the kernel bisecting from last week though [02:03] bandit5432: The "fix" looks more like a workaround. [02:03] (In that bug.) [02:04] Logan_: exactly how I see it, and since it's not actually fixed in any package I don't think it should be listed as fix released. [02:04] well that does not make much of a fix if it was released [02:04] wylde: Agreed. [02:04] I can't change the status, it seems. [02:05] I can't either [02:07] i hate errors when i run commands [02:09] odd i can sudo ls -l fine but i cant sudo cat /etc/issue with out getting the error [02:12] its the save password bug fro sudo it appears which i dont know which package takes care of [02:14] could some one try and run multiple sudo commands from a terminal and see if they get an error? [02:14] sudo ls -l ask for password sudo ls -l does not ask for password and possibly getting the error? [02:18] does unity 5.8 still have the icon glass reflection effect on the dash? [02:18] hi, I am using precise beta2, updated to current, and I seem to be getting a crash every so often that sends me back to the lightdm login screen. How do I go about reporting this ? or even knowing which package is effected ? === poolie_ is now known as poolie [02:58] ok when is 12.04 being released? just curious [02:58] why does my computer mess up when I enter "unity" into terminal? [02:59] !schedule [02:59] A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule [03:00] i was trying to see what version of unity I was using, so I typed unity version into the terminal and i couldnt use or type anything [03:03] drklunk, type unity --version to get the version [03:03] you can also type unity --help to show a list of other options [03:06] drklunk: hmmm...i just typed unity in the terminal i see what your saying like it is trying to do some sort of process upgrade does that sound right? [03:14] hi all :) anyone here got any experience solving problems with Linux and Realtek RTL8111B (r8168/r8169 driver)? [03:31] how come some windows are themed and others are not? for instance, synaptic is themed, but if i go to Settings > Repositories, the window is not themed [03:31] more importantly, how do i fix it [03:32] and why does every OS upgrade break my themes? >_< === ubuntu64bit is now known as rofl === rofl is now known as Guest33007 [03:49] I have a strange crash on 12.04. I can be doing work, or my computer will be idling and I get kicked to the login screen. All of the running applications are closed. I remember this happening on 11.10 when I upgraded the nvidia drivers to 295.20, but I'm not sure if it's related. [03:51] if X is crashing, then any GUI app running will also have closed. check ~/.xsession-errors [03:52] 'tail ~/.xsession-errors' in terminal for last 10 lines [03:52] Alright. I'll check that. I'd like to file a bug report, but not being sure of where to look for detailed info can make the bug report unhelpful. [03:53] use 'ubuntu-bug xorg' [03:55] I should do that briefly after a crash, correct? [03:55] most of the info gathered won't be dependent on that. anything specific you can add like from the log you should [03:56] gathers generic system info mostly, version numbers, etc [03:56] tanath: I'll probably do that after a crash to make sure that I can find relevant info that's as fresh as possible. [03:57] how can I check what version of unity Im using? [03:57] you could just search your logs [03:57] I'm just not entirely sure of what's definitive enough. [03:57] apt-cache show unity [03:57] thanks! [03:57] If I post part, can you let me know if you think it's causing it? [03:57] or 'apt-cache show unity | grep -i version' [03:57] for just the version [03:57] sure [03:58] http://paste.ubuntu.com/914055/ [03:58] I think it may, but I want to be sure. [03:59] [I don't want to be creating invalid bug reports] [03:59] did you disconnect a device? [03:59] No. [03:59] or use wireless devices? [04:00] I have wireless, but I don't use it. [04:00] does the system know that? [04:00] ?? [04:00] that's all complaining that a mounted device was unexpectedly unavailable [04:01] Then it's probably old. [04:01] like a usb drive that was just yanked, for instance [04:01] I probably did pull a device, but that's not what causes the X crash. [04:01] or a network path [04:01] Probably an FTP mount [04:01] well that's what that log stuff was about [04:02] although the invalid pointer thing may be relevant [04:02] I'm going to clear the log then, and see if it gets populated again when I get kicked. [04:02] possibly cause of X crash [04:03] Yeah, sometimes I just get it randomly though. I'll just have firefox open idle, and when I return [from making coffee or such] it will be sitting at the login screen. [04:04] you can also check 'dmesg | tail' [04:05] also, you can pass '-30', for instance as tail parameter to display more lines from end [04:05] tail -45 or whatever [04:05] I'll make sure to check everything I can as soon as I get a crash. Just uploading a large file, and then I'll try to get a crash. [04:06] heh [04:06] Usually ssh, ftp transfer, firefox download, rendering video == crash. [04:06] =P [04:06] Or it's just a coincidence. [04:07] that crash seems to be in a python app that uses QT for its GUI [04:07] has anyone else experienced an issue whereby gnome-shell will occasionally become very slow to respond to keyboard input and mouse clicks? everything else is very responsive, and restarting gnome-shell does not fix it (but restarting the computer does) [04:08] anthropos, check logs when it happens? [04:08] i did, nothing obvious (to me, anyways) [04:08] the console ttys are 100 % responsive [04:08] just not a terminal in gnome shell, for example [04:09] virtual terminals? or terminal emulators? [04:09] ctrl+alt+f1, etc. [04:09] so vt [04:09] yes, those are responsive. [04:09] they should be, even if X is bonkers [04:09] but a terminal within gnome shell is extremely slow to respond to keyboard input. however, gnome shell itself is very fast still [04:09] e.g. the window picker is not slowed at all [04:10] but what about other GUI apps? [04:10] they are all fast except slow responsive to clicking or typing [04:10] i thought you said gnome-shell was slow [04:10] *response [04:10] no, i said keyboard input / mouse clicks are slow within gnome shell [04:10] switching to unity fixes it (without reboot) [04:10] but then if I switch back to gnome shell the issue returns [04:11] that's a little weird. do you use system resource monitor applets or anything? [04:11] yeah, I use conky usually and nothing is hogging the cpu/mem/disk io [04:12] what window manager do you use? [04:12] I just use whatever the defaults are for gnome-shell. I literally just installed gnome shell and then picked gnome at startup [04:13] should be metacity then [04:13] could be. i think doing metacity --replace fixed it though, so im not sure it is [04:13] i could be misremembering. unity --replace definitely fixed it [04:13] i haven't used gnome in 12.04 yet, but does alt+f2 still work? [04:13] but again, it comes back as soon as i do gnome-shell --replace... [04:13] yes, but restarting gnome shell doesn't fix it [04:14] next time try running 'metacity --replace' and see if that has any effect [04:14] lol [04:14] k. I believe that fixes it, but I could be misremembering [04:14] yeah, that's just reloading the panel [04:14] i don't see metacity running on my box right now so I'm not sure thats the wm i'm using [04:14] what video drivers you using? [04:14] nvidia proprietary [04:15] you could also install fusion-icon which lets you reload your WM, or pick another on the fly [04:16] will that work for gnome, i.e. even w/o compiz? [04:16] *gnome-shell [04:19] ps -ef | grep metacity [04:19] ? [04:19] yes [04:20] compiz is one of the WMs you can choose [04:22] metacity isn't running [04:22] the grep command just returns itself [04:22] I didn't think gnome-shell was compatible /w compiz [04:22] i thought it used clutter [04:23] compiz is irrelevant [04:24] fusion-icon doesn't change your WM unless you tell it to [04:24] ok, apparently gnome 3 doesn't use metacity anymore then? [04:25] but if running it fixes your issue, then maybe you should switch to it [04:25] interesting thought [04:27] do you see clutter running? [04:28] no, but i find it hard to believe that it's not running under some name [04:29] do you have titlebars on your apps? [04:29] with close, maximize, minimize? [04:31] no minimize or maximize, but yes I have titlebars [04:31] it has close. [04:31] the gnome-shell binary is linked with libmutter (so it is its own window manager, there isn't a separate process) [04:31] ok [04:32] then maybe file a bug report on gnome-shell [04:33] trism, perhaps you know how to get a consistent theme across apps? [04:33] every OS update breaks my themes, and then when i apply one it doesn't affect all apps :( [04:34] tanath: if it doesn't apply to apps such as firefox but to others you are probably missing a gtk2 theme [04:34] tanath: which theme are you using? [04:35] before upgrade to 12.04 i was using the audacious theme (aud-default), but that broke. so i switched to darklooks, but half my apps aren't themed [04:36] like, synaptic is themed, but if i go to Settings > Repositories, that's not. nor is epiphany, etc... [04:37] i'm using xfce btw [04:37] tanath: yeah, that is a gtk2 gtk3 thing, synaptic uses gtk2, but software-properties-gtk is gtk3 [04:37] tanath: you'll need to find a theme that provides both [04:38] TBH, the only themes i can find that i want to use, are pretty much the audacious theme, or darklooks [04:38] i'm rather picky. unfortunately i don't know how to do my own themes. if i could i'd fix audacious, most likely [04:39] i read on a forum thread that upgrading to audacious 3 would fix it to work with gtk3, but i have version 3 and no joy [04:42] 12.04 upgrade from 11.10: I have no sidebar (Unity I guess its called) nor do I have a top bar (signal, time, etc.) I can access terminal. Anything I need to install so I can use the system? Thanx! [04:43] OffGridOps, sounds like you'd rather use gnome. try logging out, and choosing gnome when you log in [04:43] (click user, then choose your session, then enter password) [04:43] ok, brb and thanx! [04:43] np [04:44] i must be stupid how do i change volume with scroll under gnome classic? [04:45] usually you can scroll wheel on the volume icon in tray. is that what you mean? [04:45] as long as the mouse is over the icon [04:45] yes its not working for me middle click mutes and un mutes [04:45] TIL i can middle-click it too... [04:46] bandit5432: yes middle click mutes unmutes but scrolling the wheel should change the volume [04:46] i have to click the icon then scroll over the volume bar to get it to change [04:46] verify your scroll wheel is working? [04:46] mm [04:46] sounds like a bug [04:46] weird [04:47] try removing it and readding it? [04:47] or just reloading the panel [04:47] bandit5432: what are you scrolling with, mouse wheel, touchpad, ...? [04:48] mouse wheel [04:48] hmm [04:48] trism, that _shouldn't_ matter, but could it? [04:48] i remove indicator applet and added it back do i need to gnome-panel kill? [04:49] gnome-panel --replace will suffice [04:49] removing and readding will restart it, you don't need to kill the panel [04:49] you don't actually even need to remove/re-add, you can: killall indicator-applet-complete and click Restart [04:49] nope [04:50] why kill it when you can do it gracefully? [04:50] 'gnome-panel --replace' [04:50] thats what i did [04:50] mmk [04:50] i dont remember all the commands so i just use what works [04:51] trism, not sure you can assume that's which indicator applet he's using [04:51] there's several [04:51] i am using the default ot i assume default one let me get a version number [04:51] might want to file a bug report [04:52] Indicator Applet Complete 0.4.92 [04:52] tanath: yes I am aware, but indicator-applet-complete is added in the default setup [04:52] wish i could just add gtk2 volume ctonrol to the panel [04:53] i believe you can... but since i don't use gnome anymore i can't recall how [04:53] i think it's in the add panel items dialog though [04:54] nope cant add gtk2 things to the gtk3 panels i dont think [04:55] right, i think there is a way, i just don't recall.. [04:55] bandit5432: ahh it is broken here too, I was pretty sure I tested that [04:56] bandit5432: and yes you could use gnome-sound-applet if you preferred, it will show up in the notification area [04:56] hrm, maybe not [04:56] grumbles probably not a bug probably a feature [04:56] bandit5432: I'll take a look a fixing indicator-applet tomorrow though [04:56] but yeah, there should be other options [04:56] ty [04:57] i keep finding bugs and i dont like that i have to many going right now [04:57] that's one of the reasons i use xfce now :-/ [04:58] though i like it [04:58] how smooth is the new release so far ? will an "old" linux hand "cli oriented" be able to stand all the bells and whistels ? [04:58] i heard good things about unity, so i decided to give it another shot. it's not even usable :( [04:59] Agent_bob, depends on whether they're useful for you [04:59] tanath, i have lxde xfce installed as well [04:59] bells and whistels useful? [04:59] (and work) [04:59] /blinks [04:59] i kept with gnome-classic from last realease untill now [05:00] lol, yes. extra stuff may not be necessary for you, but can be to others. what constitutes "bells and whistles" is subjective [05:00] bandit5432, yeah [05:00] Agent_bob, i use a number of compiz plugins that would be bells and whistles to most, but i would really hate to do without [05:01] like the negative plugin. i find useful. not for everyone though [05:01] i agree tanath each person has a certain way they want things to work and whats bells and whistles to one is required by another [05:02] negative plugin is great when my dark themes are broken (as is the case every upgrade). then i can invert the window and yay [05:02] lol [05:03] \o/ [05:03] i used ubuntu 6.6 until 9.10 came out... tried 10.4 couldn't stand it. stuck with debian until... well still using it. on knoppix atm. is ubuntu 12.4 more the same dirrection that 10.4 was headed or did it reset somewhere along the way? i guess what i'm asking is. saw it designed to impress "windows" USERS? [05:03] saw/was/ [05:04] Agent_bob, what's the prob with 10.04? [05:04] 12.04 seems to be more stable than most previous releases, though unity is still a horrible mess [05:04] Agent_bob, the same direction and then some with gnome taking another direction in the middle of those releases [05:04] nothing if you only install the server and can get along with upstart ;/ [05:04] (in my experience anyway) [05:05] Agent_bob, i think it's more focused on tablet/touch screens actually [05:05] windows 8 is going that way too [05:05] no go. i selected cairo dock w/gnome and it still is the same. The only options are cairo with gnome listed twice with white circles (clicking them does nothing and sends me back for the password), ubuntu 2d/ubuntu (both have the ubuntu logo in the white circle and xbmc with a white circle [05:05] the only redeeming thing is how bad windows 8 [05:05] bandit5432 ah. ok. thanks. well i'll give it a look sometime maybe. [05:05] windows 8 gets a lot of hate, but it's making steps in the right direction [05:05] Agent_bob, might want to try mint with cinamin or mate [05:06] windows 8 needs to be 2 os's not 1 [05:06] it's a lot faster, and improved accessibility for many things once you give it 5 mins to learn the interface if it's not intuitive for you [05:06] bandit5432, hm? [05:06] its the same issue that alot of us have with unity, something great on a tablet does not = great on a desktop [05:06] bandit5432 heh ok but for now i get along with debian just fine. [05:07] i agree, they went a bit far with that [05:07] tanath: finally got it. [05:07] NateW, mm? [05:07] Agent_bob, would you consider yourself an advanced linux user? know what you're doing? [05:07] if he said yes you wouldnt believe him would you? [05:07] tanath: is there a way to select that I am missing? tried to click (right/left), double click, space bar, etc [05:08] lol [05:08] OffGridOps, for panel items? i believe it's alt+win click. [05:08] tanath: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914102/ [05:08] one of the stupidest design regressions, IMO [05:08] alt+win, right-click that is [05:09] ok trying now [05:09] tanath: except some of the lines are missing, let me paste again [05:10] NateW, i don't see anything that looks serious there [05:10] mm [05:10] tanath: nope, not alt-win rt click or left or ctrl win rt or left. [05:11] OffGridOps, whats the problem? [05:11] it is right click, and there is a win... [05:11] try win+rt-click [05:11] ok doing it again after reboot [05:11] bandit5432, IIRC, he's trying to add panel items [05:12] tanath: sorry, the end of the file was missing, here is the full one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914105/ [05:12] yeah i have the win key i will try it rt click and then win key thanx 4 helping me BTW! [05:13] NateW, are you logged in on multiple VTs? [05:13] No [05:13] weird your X server is on 1.0 instead of 0.0 [05:13] did it crash and reload? [05:13] I actually get a completely black screen if I switch to another VT [05:13] It crashed and reloaded. [05:14] So I can't use any of the vt's except f7. [05:14] (Which is X) [05:14] ewww [05:14] i don't see anything that looks like a cause of an X crash [05:14] you might have to high of a res and or no console loading [05:14] rt then win did not work. is there a way to simply force it through terminal or hot keys so i can at least navigate? all my folders are on the screen, but if i cant have some kind of GUI to get to programs etc it would b a problem [05:15] OffGridOps, win+rt [05:15] no should be alt+right click [05:15] did that earlier and nothing. [05:15] OffGridOps, ctrl, alt, win, shift, are all modifier keys. you hold them while tapping something else [05:15] some people have to switch to the other alt key [05:15] i understand [05:15] anything in here [dmesg]: http://paste.ubuntu.com/914109/ [05:16] OffGridOps, have you updated ?? [05:16] I see it I think: segfault in nvidia_drv.so [05:16] "Disabling freq 2484 MHz..." o_O [05:16] i had a problem with beta1 panel crashing and i could not change anything [05:16] yup sudo apt-get update [05:16] i had the bars before i updated a couple hours ago [05:16] you dont have any panels? [05:17] the update had me file all kinds of launchpad bugs through my acct no no panels anywhere [05:17] NateW, the second drive needs to be checked: EXT4-fs (sdb1): warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended [05:17] I saw that. I'll fsck it tonight. [05:17] NateW, can check with gparted [05:17] mmk [05:17] 3tb. [05:17] OffGridOps, are you running gnome classic with effects or with out? [05:17] NateW, that could be causing all kinds of issues, including x crashing [05:18] what about the Xorg segfault =P [05:18] openshot crashed [05:18] OffGridOps, another thing is this a a fresh profile or is it an old one? [05:18] 3 segfaults: line 57, 64, 71 [05:18] i am at the login screen now i tried both and nothing will apply the ubuntu logo to anything but ubuntu and ubuntu 2d my issue is that basically [05:18] caused issue in nvidia driver [05:18] or 2, not sure what the last is. [05:18] could have crashed due to file system errors, possibly :P [05:19] OffGridOps, make sure you installed gnome-panel [05:19] is there a way via terminal to do it? [05:19] whats the [#####.####] at the beginning, time? [05:19] yes [05:19] sudo apt-get install gnome-panel [05:19] NateW, not actually sure. possibly [05:19] it is incremental, so that's been my guess [05:19] that may be the issue i dont know it worked today what happens when i click alt rt click is that the white circle stays white and then orage highlights the perimiter [05:19] I'm thinking it is. [05:20] So the openshot crash was way before hte xorg one. [05:20] *the [05:20] OffGridOps, so you have not even logged in yet? [05:20] except the high variability in values [05:20] true. [05:20] NateW, don't think you can assume that [05:20] When it crashed, openshot wasnt running. [05:20] That was hours ago. [05:21] I'm thinking it's the nvidia driver, no? [05:21] [nvidia_drv.so] [05:21] bah my menus are not alphabetically sorted again [05:21] On 11.10 I was running fine, then updated to 295.22 and then had the exact same issue as now. [05:21] well you might want to file a bug report with these: [30168.523350] Xorg[5066] general protection ip:7f4d37605af9 sp:7fff1c0b65f0 error:0 in nvidia_drv.so[7f4d375a4000+6e0000] [05:21] as i said, yes [05:22] use jockey to try a different driver? [05:22] Alright, and I should start by using "ubuntu-bug xorg"? [05:22] lol @ people having problem with nvidia drivers.. thats unpossible! [05:22] NateW, well, it looks to be in the nvidia driver actually [05:22] bandit5432: just for informations sake, I fixed the indicator-applet scroll bug, just needed to add GDK_SCROLL_MASK which was added in the newer gtk, I'll submit a bug and push it up tomorrow when I am not half asleep [05:22] haha.. I havent had issues with the drivers until 295.22 was released. [05:22] NateW, so figure out what nvidia package you're using and do that one [05:23]