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| * phillw yawns & stretches.... meeting time? | 14:03 | |
| astraljava | It's supposed to. | 14:04 |
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| phillw | balloons: ping :) | 14:04 |
| phillw | hmm, I can't find him :/ I'll give it a couple of minutes more then I guess we hold a short meeting. | 14:09 |
| astraljava | Ok. | 14:10 |
| astraljava | Wonder if _he_ just forget, after sending the reminder about the changed schedule. :) | 14:11 |
| astraljava | forgot* | 14:11 |
| phillw | @startmeeting QA meeting | 14:11 |
| meetingology | phillw: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command. | 14:11 |
| phillw | #startmeeting QA Meeting | 14:12 |
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| astraljava | phillw: Use hash. | 14:12 |
| phillw | hi, you'll have to put up with me! | 14:12 |
| phillw | can all present please say aye (or the usual o/) | 14:12 |
| astraljava | o/ | 14:12 |
| phillw | this will be a really short meeting :/ | 14:14 |
| astraljava | Heh, indeed. | 14:14 |
| phillw | #topic Ubuntu Updates | 14:14 |
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| phillw | is there anyone in from the Ubuntu team? | 14:15 |
| phillw | #topic Flavour Updates | 14:16 |
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| phillw | #topic Lubuntu | 14:16 |
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| phillw | All testing is going well, so nothing to really report | 14:16 |
| phillw | kanliot: will be liasing with QA during my absence, I know he will be extended the help & support you have given me | 14:17 |
| kanliot | thanks phillw | 14:17 |
| phillw | #topic Flavours | 14:18 |
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| phillw | Any one in from other flavours who can give an update? | 14:18 |
| * astraljava is in for Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio | 14:18 | |
| phillw | #topic Xubuntu | 14:19 |
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| phillw | astraljava: the floor is yours. | 14:19 |
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| astraljava | Thanks phillw. Some small changes regarding artwork. | 14:19 |
| astraljava | There's been a change to mixer settings. | 14:19 |
| astraljava | We now prefer pavucontrol over xfce4-mixer for Xubuntu session. | 14:20 |
| astraljava | It partially works, unmuting still isn't fool-proof. | 14:20 |
| astraljava | There was also an icon issue found in indicator-plugin. | 14:20 |
| astraljava | There are _no_ icons if T-bird is not running, but placeholders when it is. It also concerns Evolution, so not technically Xubuntu-related only. | 14:21 |
| astraljava | New translations were requested for Abiword. | 14:21 |
| astraljava | I'm working on it together with the Debian maintainer, but expecting to just update the po/ directory. | 14:22 |
| astraljava | Nothing more for Xubuntu, IIRC. | 14:22 |
| astraljava | .. | 14:22 |
| phillw | astraljava: thanks | 14:22 |
| phillw | #topic Ubuntu Studio | 14:22 |
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| astraljava | New -lowlatency kernel is landing soon-ish, needing lots of testing. | 14:23 |
| astraljava | Just found out that ubuntustudio-audio meta-package isn't installed by default, which worries me greatly. | 14:23 |
| astraljava | Also wanting to make the mixer change like Xubuntu. | 14:23 |
| astraljava | I'm working on the issue together with mr_pouit and other Xubuntu devs. | 14:23 |
| astraljava | Nothing more that I can think of right now. | 14:24 |
| astraljava | .. | 14:24 |
| phillw | astraljava: thanks | 14:24 |
| phillw | #Ubuntu Updates | 14:24 |
| phillw | #topic Ubuntu Updates | 14:24 |
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| phillw | skaet: could you give us any news on Ubuntu, please? | 14:25 |
| * phillw did ask in -release if anyone was available, it seems not. | 14:26 | |
| phillw | #topic Any Other Business | 14:26 |
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| phillw | has anyone got any thing to add, with the exception of why no one is here! | 14:27 |
| * astraljava wonders if this new schedule is actually working out for everyone... | 14:27 | |
| phillw | I'll catch up with balloons and find out what has happened... the email was sent! | 14:27 |
| EffenbergAway | I got no reply from Ballons in e-mails today, maybe he's busy with some other urgency | 14:28 |
| * skaet waves, just a sec | 14:28 | |
| phillw | skaet: of course. do you want topic changing back to Ubuntu Updates? | 14:28 |
| skaet | Ubuntu will be kernel freezing on tomorrow at 2100 UTC. Am wondering how the low latency kernel state. | 14:28 |
| phillw | #topic Ubuntu Update | 14:29 |
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| skaet | phillw, no matter. | 14:29 |
| skaet | Dates upcoming, Kernel Freeze - April 5, Final Freeze - April 12 (all important bug fixes should be added by this date) | 14:30 |
| skaet | Release Candidate Week starts - April 19 (all images produced after this point will need testing), as they could be the one we ship. | 14:30 |
| skaet | April 26 - Release :) | 14:31 |
| skaet | that's the schedule for the month coming up... | 14:31 |
| phillw | skaet: has any progress been made on bug 972285 if there is a kernel freeze coming up? | 14:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 972285 in linux (Ubuntu) "segmentation fault when start on linux 3.0.0-18-generic" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972285 | 14:31 |
| skaet | A big thank you to the folks who got the last bug fixes in and tested. Beta 2 is looking good overall - not seeing any serious spikeds. | 14:32 |
| skaet | s/spikeds/spikes where we aren't expecting them in bug traffic ;) / | 14:32 |
| phillw | the whole of this cycle has been outstandingly stable :) | 14:33 |
| EffenbergAway | o/ | 14:33 |
| skaet | :) | 14:33 |
| phillw | EffenbergAway: the floor is yours | 14:33 |
| skaet | phillw, just know about that one, what is in the bug. Looks like the kernel team is on it. | 14:33 |
| BEC | my first time testing & it seems going smooth after my first run :D | 14:33 |
| skaet | and a possible reversion would work. | 14:33 |
| * skaet ends | 14:34 | |
| EffenbergAway | There is a growing number of users complaining about bug 951404 (and dups). | 14:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 951404 in lightdm (Ubuntu Precise) "Ubuntu 12.04 session don't open with lightdm" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951404 | 14:34 |
| EffenbergAway | I'm worried about it | 14:34 |
| EffenbergAway | Forum staff members asked for advice. It looks like removing unity-greeter for gtk is the only workaround for some | 14:35 |
| phillw | EffenbergAway: it has been allocated to the Canonical Desktop Team, so I'm sure it is being worked on | 14:35 |
| EffenbergAway | Thanks Philw :) | 14:35 |
| BEC | I mailed yesternight about LyX; could someone check the package in the Software Center plz? | 14:35 |
| phillw | skaet: could you ask the Desktop team for an update and put it onto the bug? | 14:36 |
| EffenbergAway | BEC: 455.aMB/761.5MB | 14:37 |
| BEC | exactly; isn't that too big? on 10.04 it is around 10.5M | 14:37 |
| BEC | total | 14:37 |
| phillw | BEC: yeah, I saw that bug in my emails... a bit odd, to say the least. | 14:38 |
| skaet | phillw, have put out some pings. will ask. | 14:38 |
| BEC | btw didn't bug it | 14:38 |
| BEC | should i? | 14:38 |
| phillw | BEC: yes please | 14:38 |
| BEC | thx | 14:38 |
| BEC | i will | 14:38 |
| phillw | any one else? | 14:39 |
| EffenbergAway | Build includes debug info? Probably strip and o3? | 14:39 |
| BEC | the following bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/969485 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/969700; are they gona be fixed? | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 969485 in linux (Ubuntu) "Fan working non-stop" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 969700 in linux (Ubuntu) "Sound imbalance" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:40 |
| BEC | btw, a a few months ago I lost the suspend & hibernate features on 10.04; when I use them the system shutdowns instead; not sure of the reason | 14:42 |
| BEC | any idea of its possible cause? | 14:42 |
| phillw | BEC: I've found that getting a few 'affects me' people onto a bug gets it noticed as it raises the heat. | 14:42 |
| BEC | i noticed that too; so they might not get a fix soon? | 14:44 |
| phillw | Well, thanks to those who made it. Hopfully for next week more people will have read their e-mails about the new time of the meeting. | 14:44 |
| phillw | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Apr 4 14:44:53 2012 UTC. | 14:44 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-04-14.12.moin.txt | 14:44 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-04-14.12.html | 14:44 |
| seb128 | EffenbergAway, hey | 14:50 |
| skaet | phillw ^ is EffenbergAway around? some questions about that bug. | 14:52 |
| EffenbergAway | Hi | 14:52 |
| EffenbergAway | sorry, was afk | 14:52 |
| EffenbergAway | shoot! | 14:53 |
| skaet | seb128 ^ | 14:54 |
| seb128 | EffenbergAway, hey, skaet mentioned you get some lightdm issues? | 14:54 |
| seb128 | EffenbergAway, can you describe exactly what happens? (did you open a bug about it, can you give the number?) | 14:54 |
| EffenbergAway | Yes, there seem to be some users that can't get past lightdm. They select session, user, enter password, screen goes black, and back to lightdm | 14:55 |
| EffenbergAway | Some mentioned removing unity-greeter, using gtk-greeter fixes | 14:55 |
| EffenbergAway | The old solution (from OO cycle), to remove .Xauthority is not working | 14:55 |
| EffenbergAway | It seems to happen with people that updated from OO, not with fresh installs of Beta 2 | 14:56 |
| EffenbergAway | newbies get stuck - no desktop - no way of getting support | 14:56 |
| EffenbergAway | https://launchpad.net/bugs/951404 | 14:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 951404 in lightdm (Ubuntu Precise) "Ubuntu 12.04 session don't open with lightdm" [High,Confirmed] | 14:57 |
| EffenbergAway | there are dups... and UbuntuForums users that haven't +1'd in these reports | 14:57 |
| EffenbergAway | I've also seen a number of occurrences in local ubuntu forums (Brazil) | 14:57 |
| EffenbergAway | No definitive workaround known | 14:58 |
| seb128 | EffenbergAway, one part of issues could have been the unity-greeter bugs fixed with yesterday update | 14:58 |
| * phillw this room is booked for a meeting in 2 minutes - can you please move over to #ubuntu-testing, please :) | 14:58 | |
| seb128 | EffenbergAway, can you get somebody who has the issue to reply to my questions on that bug? | 14:58 |
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| seb128 | phillw, sure, or #ubuntu-bugs | 14:59 |
| seb128 | phillw, EffenbergAway: can you join #ubuntu-bugs? | 14:59 |
| EffenbergAway | sure, moving, thanks | 15:00 |
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| * slangasek waves | 15:03 | |
| jodh | o/ | 15:03 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:03 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Apr 4 15:03:47 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:03 |
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| * stgraber waves | 15:04 | |
| ev | hi | 15:04 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] lightning round | 15:05 |
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| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson) | 15:05 |
| slangasek | bdmurray cjwatson ogra slangasek jodh barry infinity doko ev stgraber | 15:05 |
| bdmurray | bug triage of ios-testing bug reports | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | update-manager bug triage | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | triage of update-manager bug regarding nonofficial mirrors and dist upgrades bug 289952 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289952 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager rewrites sources.list to only use official mirrors" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289952 | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | fixed update-manager bug 969182 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 969182 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "alternate-cd-upgrade from 10.04 lts to 12.04 lts beta failed" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969182 | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | duplicate consolidation of bug 837525 using udd | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | bug triage of duplicates of bug 541595 (47 more marked) | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | modifications to collect-bug-data to check search_criteria statuses too | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | wrote an iso-testing tracker defect querier | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 837525 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "package PACKAGE failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '<standard output>': No such file or directory" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837525 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 541595 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "[Master] package failed to install/upgrade: package is already installed and configured" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541595 | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | fixed calamaris bug 569514, forwarded patch to debian | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | performance review | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | tried to help the ubuntu rtl team subscribe to all bugs tagged rtl | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | holiday on the 2nd and 3rd | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 569514 in calamaris (Debian) "Doesn't work for squid3 logs" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569514 | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | . done | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | os-prober/grub2 rearrangements to fix bug 963471. | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Some cross-building fixes. | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Added an installer facility to preseed the default partition table type (partman-partitioning/default_label), useful for testing GPT. | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 963471 in os-prober (Ubuntu) "Not all OS shown in grub-install screen at end of installation" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/963471 | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Worked around the worst of the TLS 1.2 problems with OpenSSL 1.0.1, as suggested by upstream (bug 965371). | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 965371 in openssl (Ubuntu Precise) "HTTPS requests fail on some sites on Ubuntu 12.04" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965371 | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Merged new aptitude, to handle multiarch a bit better (bug 831768). | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 831768 in aptitude (Ubuntu Precise) "aptitude cannot handle conflicts with multiarch enabled" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831768 | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Fixed biosgrub method display in ubiquity (bug 969038). | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 969038 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot create bios boot partition from manual partitioner in ubiquity" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969038 | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | Fixed a number of test rebuild failures in main, and analysed a number of the rest. | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | Added 4K sector support to grub2, and then fixed a regression caused by that (bug 972250). | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 972250 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "regression from 4k_sectors.patch: "non-sector-aligned data is found in the core file"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972250 | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | Fixed autopkgtest support in ubiquity. | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | Working on queue API in Launchpad. Still some way off complete, though making progress. | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | Working on bug 792652. | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 792652 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with ValueError in command(): I/O operation on closed file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792652 | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | done | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | ogra's off | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: | 15:08 |
| slangasek | sorry, was digesting the above :) | 15:09 |
| slangasek | * ongoing work around partner repo | 15:09 |
| slangasek | * did some work over the weekend looking into cross-buildability of the base system; applied some fixes, including some to apt | 15:09 |
| slangasek | * preparing an apt upload for a few issues (bug #924628, bug #968828, et al) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 924628 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "package libapt-pkg4.12 0.8.16~exp12ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: './usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/libapt-pkg4.12.mo' is different from the same file on the system" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924628 | 15:09 |
| slangasek | * discussions around the future strategy of init in Ubuntu | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 968828 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-get build-dep -a $arch has wrong behavior for Build-Depends-Indep" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968828 | 15:09 |
| slangasek | * still working on the update-notifier changes to fix bug #876298 | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 876298 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298 | 15:09 |
| slangasek | * performance reviews | 15:09 |
| slangasek | (done) | 15:10 |
| slangasek | jodh: | 15:10 |
| jodh | * [boot/upstart]: Discussions around the future strategy of init in Ubuntu. | 15:10 |
| jodh | * [boot/plymouth]: | 15:10 |
| jodh | * Working on Plymouth SIGSEGV bug (553745 - 270 duplicates!) | 15:10 |
| jodh | We can now recreate the problem, which is the first step to | 15:10 |
| jodh | understanding it. Still proving difficult to track down what is | 15:10 |
| jodh | causing the corruption, but it appears to be related to the script plugin. | 15:10 |
| jodh | * Updated wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth | 15:11 |
| jodh | ◱ | 15:11 |
| jodh | 15:11 | |
| slangasek | no barry or infinity today | 15:11 |
| slangasek | doko: | 15:11 |
| doko | - bug triage (python2.7) | 15:12 |
| doko | - bug fix uploads for python2.7, gcc-4.7, mpfr4, pcsc-lite, bash, gccgo | 15:12 |
| doko | - started test rebuild, fortunately amoog did file the reports | 15:12 |
| doko | - analyzed and filed gcc-4.7 build failures (debian). http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=ftbfs-gcc-4.7;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org | 15:12 |
| doko | - self appraisal | 15:12 |
| doko | - reproduce build failures with GCC Linaro | 15:12 |
| doko | - TODO for tomorrow: grub testing (broken windows partition on mac), lts upgrade version n | 15:12 |
| doko | umber checks | 15:12 |
| doko | - next week will be short (Fri and Mon bank holidays) | 15:12 |
| doko | (done) | 15:12 |
| ev | - Went to Cassandra Europe last Wednesday. Trip report forthcoming, but if you | 15:12 |
| ev | want a taste: | 15:12 |
| ev | https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=48667#txn-862810 | 15:12 |
| ev | - Discussed Cassandra backup strategies with James. | 15:12 |
| ev | - The crash database is finally completely live as of April 2nd. Due to a | 15:12 |
| ev | deployment bug, up until a few days ago it wasn't handling core file | 15:12 |
| ev | submissions, and thus was not bucketing binary crashes. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Cowboyed a few fixes to the production retracer with the IS team. | 15:12 |
| ev | - Working on a Django and d3.js (do check it out d3, it's awesome) web | 15:12 |
| ev | application for crash database statistics. | 15:13 |
| ev | - Working with IS to continue the deployment of the crash database components, | 15:13 |
| ev | better handle retracer overload. | 15:13 |
| ev | - Suggestions welcome on ways to improve apport-retrace performance. We're | 15:13 |
| ev | going to have something watching the Rabbit queue, and using a RED-like | 15:13 |
| ev | algorithm: | 15:13 |
| slangasek | doko: pcsc-lite> did you do rebuild tests of the revdeps? :) | 15:13 |
| ev | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.adv-qdisc.red.html | 15:13 |
| ev | not accepting some core file submissions until things quiet back down. | 15:13 |
| ev | - Worked with Matthew to review his mock up of the design for the statistics | 15:13 |
| ev | website. | 15:13 |
| ev | - Reviewed the installation and upgrade pages of the 12.04 website for the | 15:13 |
| ev | web team. | 15:13 |
| ev | - We saw 1505 unique problems (buckets) yesterday (and *many* instances of | 15:13 |
| ev | those problems). | 15:13 |
| ev | - 0 new whoopsie bugs. Please keep an eye on that process on your systems and | 15:13 |
| ev | do let me know if it gets out of hand. | 15:13 |
| ev | (done) | 15:13 |
| doko | slangasek, no =-/ | 15:14 |
| doko | adding to my list | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - ISO tracker | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Worked on a series of bugfixes that are now applied to http://iso.qa.dev.stgraber.org | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Wrote a python module to access the tracker API, works with python2 and python3 and is | 15:14 |
| stgraber | fully tested. This will be the recommended way to access the API. | 15:14 |
| stgraber | lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/python-qatracker | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Updating API documentation on the website now, will then ask IS to update production. | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Containers | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Some more LXC testing and fixes for per-container apparmor profile and making sure | 15:14 |
| stgraber | we don't get actions weirdly denied by apparmor. Looks like we caught them all finally. | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Networking | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Uploaded a new ifupdown cleaning up /etc/network/interfaces on systems that go invalid | 15:14 |
| stgraber | dns-nameservers entries from netcfg. Also fixes the broadcast address on systems with | 15:14 |
| stgraber | static config. | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Updated regexp in resolvconf to match multiple entries in dns-nameservers | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Installer | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - One minor ubiquity-dm fix for ubuntu studio | 15:14 |
| slangasek | doko: could you please check that, at *least* for main? (freerdp/wpasupplicant) since this change is landing past your own autobuild test ;) | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Partner archive | 15:14 |
| stgraber | - Did some packaging and tests | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Synced libva from Debian to have it multi-arched, fixed two FTBFS caused by the new libva | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Made zenity multi-arch:foreign which should allow vmware-view-client to be installed on amd64 | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Other | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Beta 2 release | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Improved queuebot some more | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Released and uploaded the final (I hope) LTSP for 12.04, 5.3.7 | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Fixed all the bugs discovered during ISO testing for Edubuntu | 15:15 |
| doko | slangasek, will do | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Fixed an annoying bug in irssi (alt-backspace not working) | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Performance review | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Vacation and timezone change | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - I'll be off on Friday (6th) and Monday (9th) | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - I'll then be working from Europe (CEST) until the 29th | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - TODO this week (today/tomorrow) | 15:15 |
| slangasek | thanks | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Test current ISO tracker and file RT ticket for update of production | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Look at bug 873468 | 15:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 873468 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "Update to latest Release failed for overloaded mirrors with no descriptive error message" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873468 | 15:15 |
| stgraber | - Spend any remaining time on installer bugs. | 15:15 |
| stgraber | (DONE) | 15:15 |
| slangasek | any questions? | 15:17 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Bugs | 15:18 |
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| bdmurray | when I was looking at update-manager bugs I ran across bug 289952 | 15:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289952 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager rewrites sources.list to only use official mirrors" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289952 | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | there's a config knob for that, though it isn't well-documented | 15:19 |
| bdmurray | and it just seems to me that option for allowing third party sources isn't well known | 15:20 |
| slangasek | hmm, this was discussed at UDS | 15:20 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: right, so I wonder what we can do to make it more well documented | 15:20 |
| slangasek | it was agreed we should be disabling third-party sources for the upgrade, but re-enabling them afterwards | 15:20 |
| slangasek | (but hasn't gotten done yet) | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: that doesn't address the "faster downloads from local mirror" problem, though, so wouldn't deal with this bug | 15:21 |
| slangasek | ah | 15:21 |
| cjwatson | TBH none of update-manager's configuration is particularly documented; it probably needs somebody to go through the whole thing and write a man page or something ... | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | (also, many of its configuration options are misspelled) | 15:22 |
| slangasek | is the local mirror thing worth documenting in the release noteS? | 15:22 |
| slangasek | under "how to upgrade" | 15:22 |
| bdmurray | isn't it too late in the release cycle for updating the man page? | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | not if somebody has time to do the work | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | it may be too late to find anyone with time ;-) | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: yes | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | (imo) | 15:23 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: can you open a task on ubuntu-release-notes for it? | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | I have a different approach locally - I have /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.d/local-mirrors.cfg with: | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | [Sources] | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | ValidMirrors=/etc/update-manager/local-mirrors | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | and /etc/update-manager/local-mirrors with: | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | http://mirror/ubuntu | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | # etc. | 15:24 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: sure | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | that's a bit more fiddly to set up though, and I haven't actually tested it in anger for a while | 15:24 |
| bdmurray | bug 964812 is also regarding update-manager and the modifications it makes to sources.list | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 964812 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "release upgrade failed because of missing essential package ubuntu-minimal" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964812 | 15:26 |
| slangasek | doesn't that reduce to the same issue though? | 15:28 |
| slangasek | The best I think we can do there is improve the error message | 15:28 |
| * slangasek follows up to the bug with that | 15:30 | |
| bdmurray | If you look at Screenlog.txt you'll see that it uses archive.ubuntu.com and de2.archive.ubuntu.com with odd comibnations | 15:31 |
| bdmurray | precise-updates/main | 15:31 |
| bdmurray | precise/multiverse | 15:31 |
| bdmurray | precise-backports/main | 15:32 |
| bdmurray | but no precise/main | 15:32 |
| slangasek | hmm | 15:33 |
| bdmurray | maybe we need their original sources.list? | 15:33 |
| slangasek | I think so | 15:34 |
| slangasek | followed up | 15:35 |
| bdmurray | okay, then in bug 965819 the reporter indicates that reiserfsprogs wasn't installed | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 965819 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mount fail during boot-up" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965819 | 15:35 |
| cjwatson | hooray, fairly sure I've got bug 792652 | 15:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 792652 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with ValueError in command(): I/O operation on closed file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792652 | 15:36 |
| stgraber | yay! | 15:36 |
| slangasek | \o/ | 15:36 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: does reiserfsprogs get pulled in at install time if you format reiserfs? | 15:36 |
| cjwatson | yes, it should do; that bug is odd | 15:37 |
| slangasek | ok | 15:37 |
| slangasek | I don't think that's a high priority bug then | 15:37 |
| cjwatson | it would be if it were failing :) | 15:37 |
| cjwatson | reassigned to ubiquity and incompleted | 15:37 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: sources.list was in the clone file | 15:38 |
| slangasek | oh, oops | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | maybe fails when reusing an existing /home filesystem, although from the code I don't see why it would | 15:38 |
| bdmurray | it seems like update-manager should at least make sure main is enabled | 15:39 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list seems to have the answer to the strange output | 15:40 |
| slangasek | yes, u-m *is* making sure main is enabled, by erroring out if it isn't... :) | 15:41 |
| slangasek | I don't think it would be productive for u-m to go editing the sources.list to add main to a mirror of its choice | 15:42 |
| cjwatson | prerequists> speaking of misspellings ... | 15:42 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: okay but a more descriptive error message would help here | 15:42 |
| slangasek | yes, agreed | 15:43 |
| bdmurray | those three are the only bugs I had for us | 15:44 |
| slangasek | ok | 15:44 |
| slangasek | the rls-p-tracking list has gotten longer again I see | 15:45 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: 972250, is the fix for that uploaded? the report shows it as in-progress | 15:45 |
| slangasek | [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html | 15:45 |
| slangasek | bug #972250 | 15:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 972250 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "regression from 4k_sectors.patch: "non-sector-aligned data is found in the core file"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972250 | 15:45 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: yes, uploaded | 15:45 |
| cjwatson | the list is a day out of date as usual | 15:45 |
| slangasek | doh | 15:46 |
| slangasek | anything on that list that looks at-risk to have for 12.04? | 15:47 |
| slangasek | i.e., please review your assigned bugs there and shout if you don't think the fix is getting in | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | I *think* all my >=High ones are still OK | 15:48 |
| stgraber | I only had a quick look at bug 772470 but not being able to reproduce (ENOWINDOWS) makes it difficult to work on | 15:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 772470 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "os-prober doesn't detect Windows partition but the recovery partition instead" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772470 | 15:48 |
| * jodh crosses everything for bug 553745. | 15:48 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 553745 in plymouth (Ubuntu Maverick) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553745 | 15:49 |
| stgraber | so I'm happy to swap bugs with someone ;) | 15:49 |
| slangasek | stgraber: do you need windows licenses for testing? we have those | 15:49 |
| cjwatson | the direction of http://people.canonical.com/~rspencer/rls_bugs.svg is certainly unpleasant | 15:50 |
| cjwatson | (though that's all teams) | 15:50 |
| slangasek | *someone* is gonna have to run windows to reproduce this issue, so I'm not sure swapping helps us any :) | 15:50 |
| cjwatson | I just nuked my windows install to do EFI testing; although I did keep a backup | 15:51 |
| stgraber | slangasek: yeah, I guess having a standard version of windows would help (I only have windows 8 and windows 2008 DC edition), I'm not totally sure how to reproduce the Windows part of that setup though, doesn't look like what you get with a default install | 15:51 |
| cjwatson | regarding the page title in screen reader bug, which is now assigned to me, I've asked #ubuntu-accessibility for advice on what the desired behaviour should be and am awaiting a response | 15:51 |
| slangasek | stgraber: oh right, you need a recovery partition to reproduce it, don't you :/ | 15:51 |
| bdmurray | I have a dual boot system with a recovery partition (I think) | 15:52 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: want to hack on os-prober? | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | it's actually ubiquity that needs hacking, as I explained in that bug | 15:52 |
| slangasek | oh | 15:53 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: want to hack on ubiquity? :) | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | comment 5 | 15:53 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: doesn't sound like it ;) Alternatively can you get stgraber access to your machine for testing, or send him a disk image? | 15:54 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: sure, I'm happy to help | 15:55 |
| slangasek | stgraber, bdmurray: you two can sort it out from there then? | 15:55 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:56 |
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| slangasek | anything else? | 15:56 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Apr 4 15:57:13 2012 UTC. | 15:57 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-04-15.03.moin.txt | 15:57 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-04-15.03.html | 15:57 |
| slangasek | thanks all :) | 15:57 |
| jodh | thanks! | 15:57 |
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| bioterror | I can feel the electricity! | 19:59 |
| MrChrisDruif | Hmm, are you on a chair? O_O | 20:00 |
| jmarsden|work | bioterror: That means you wired the powers supply incorrectly and put 220V to the keyboard :) | 20:00 |
| bioterror | jmarsden|work, 230! ;D | 20:00 |
| MrChrisDruif | ^_^ | 20:01 |
| bioterror | so the ice has been broken, people seems to be ready for the meeting | 20:01 |
| gilir | #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting | 20:01 |
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| gilir | hi | 20:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | \o | 20:01 |
| Unit193 | Coffee break. | 20:01 |
| jmarsden|work | o/ | 20:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | Aloha gilir | 20:01 |
| Yorvyk | o/ | 20:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | phillw! | 20:01 |
| amjjawad | Hi Everyone! | 20:02 |
| phillw | 0/ | 20:02 |
| kanliot | o/ | 20:02 |
| bioterror | o/ | 20:02 |
| gilir | #topic gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting | 20:02 |
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| gilir | MrChrisDruif, thanks for the calendar update :) | 20:03 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yup, you're welcome | 20:03 |
| MrChrisDruif | As we all know already I've finished my action | 20:03 |
| gilir | no other action item from previous meeting, let's start thsi one | 20:03 |
| gilir | MrChrisDruif, good, that's not always the case for me :p | 20:04 |
| gilir | #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team | 20:04 |
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| phillw | nice and sweet from me, kernel freeze goes in tomorrow. but it will be delayed by 24 hours owing to some issues on upgrades. | 20:04 |
| phillw | kanliot: will be the lubuntu rep at the weekly QA meetings while I'm away. | 20:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda | 20:05 |
| phillw | the Beta 2's are rock solid, so we do not expect any breakages betwen now and release. but do keep your eyes peeled & please test | 20:06 |
| phillw | end of report. | 20:06 |
| gilir | thanks phillw | 20:06 |
| gilir | we are very close to final freeze, changes should be minimum at this point | 20:07 |
| gilir | #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from comms team | 20:07 |
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| kanliot | mario has had the osuosl team put up a temporary website so we can update lubuntu.net | 20:07 |
| kanliot | a volunteer has completely translated the lubuntu.net website into french!! | 20:07 |
| kanliot | more progress with facebook. Tons more users | 20:07 |
| kanliot | end of report | 20:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | Q? | 20:08 |
| gilir | nice to have french translation :) | 20:08 |
| gilir | MrChrisDruif, yes ? | 20:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | Is Facebook only viewed as an Communication channel or also as help channel? | 20:08 |
| kanliot | imho both | 20:09 |
| phillw | MrChrisDruif: amjjawad is best to answer that. | 20:09 |
| MrChrisDruif | amjjawad; your view on this? | 20:09 |
| amjjawad | MrChrisDruif: both but I tend to use it MORE for comms than help | 20:09 |
| MrChrisDruif | That is what I've been noticing, but that answers my question | 20:10 |
| MrChrisDruif | ^_^ | 20:10 |
| amjjawad | Facebook doesn't have the 'experinced needed users' for support and help while other channels have | 20:10 |
| phillw | MrChrisDruif: as you do, I try to answer an question with a link to our wiki area. | 20:10 |
| amjjawad | that is why it is BETTER to use it as a Comms Tool for Updates, News and some Tips :) | 20:11 |
| amjjawad | end of my humble personal opinion :D | 20:11 |
| kanliot | facebook is fantastic right now. so much happy people and energy | 20:11 |
| amjjawad | add to that great feedback so far on the page. I'm reading amazing stories over there | 20:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Anyhow, my question is answered. Shall we move on? | 20:12 |
| wxl | ok here now. prolly missed everything. :) | 20:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | wxl; Yes, you did ;-) | 20:12 |
| gilir | another question ? | 20:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Not now gilir | 20:13 |
| gilir | ok, thanks kanliot | 20:13 |
| gilir | #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams | 20:13 |
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| gilir | most of the fixes I had in mind are now in precise | 20:13 |
| amjjawad | gilir: you skipped me but that is fine | 20:14 |
| amjjawad | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda | 20:14 |
| gilir | still a couple of fixes to upload tonight | 20:14 |
| gilir | amjjawad, arf sorry, didn't refresh the page :/ | 20:14 |
| amjjawad | it is ok gilir carry one | 20:14 |
| amjjawad | on* | 20:14 |
| gilir | I'll go back to you after this one | 20:14 |
| amjjawad | gilir: take your time ;) | 20:15 |
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| jmarsden|work | gilir: Do you see any chance something will happen about the install disk size check issue, and installing to 4GB SSDs? | 20:15 |
| gilir | after this week-end, we should almost ready for testing almost final images :) | 20:16 |
| Unit193 | jmarsden|work: Does it not work with alt? | 20:16 |
| gilir | jmarsden|work, I don't think so :( we still need to advertise people to install with alternate | 20:16 |
| jmarsden|work | Unit193: Using alternate works, using live cd does not work. | 20:16 |
| amjjawad | jmarsden|work: r we talking about any drive with 4GB?? | 20:17 |
| amjjawad | coz I did this today and it worked: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11817117&postcount=4 | 20:17 |
| jmarsden|work | amjjawad: Yes, but few working PCs ahve 4GB mechanical hard drives these days :) | 20:17 |
| amjjawad | I installed on 3.7GB from LiveUSB and it worked. | 20:17 |
| gilir | amjjawad, and it doesn't block ths installation on the size requirement page ? | 20:18 |
| amjjawad | gilir: never | 20:18 |
| jmarsden|work | amjjawad: OK... then maybe something changed... that did not work previously. | 20:18 |
| amjjawad | it worked perfectly | 20:18 |
| wxl | do i hear we need others to test on <=4gb drives? i've got one | 20:18 |
| Yorvyk | How big swap did you have? | 20:18 |
| jmarsden|work | wxl: Sure, go for it. | 20:18 |
| amjjawad | I can do as much tests as u guys want | 20:18 |
| amjjawad | Yorvyk: me? it's is showen on here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11817117&postcount=4 | 20:18 |
| amjjawad | Yorvyk: 303MB | 20:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yorvyk; swap is advised but a dependency | 20:19 |
| amjjawad | I did sudo apt-get upgrade after that and installed lubuntu res extra and I sitll have 1.5GB Free Space!!! | 20:20 |
| phillw | gilir: I have been nagging the release team.... who knows, maybe it worked :) | 20:20 |
| gilir | I'll also test it on a vm, to double check this | 20:20 |
| amjjawad | gilir: do u need me to do more tests?? | 20:20 |
| gilir | and for the record, swap is not mandatory if you don't want to use hibernate | 20:20 |
| amjjawad | +1 gilir | 20:21 |
| gilir | amjjawad, just the usual tests with the candidate images, but I'll do a mail about this later | 20:21 |
| Yorvyk | If th eother drive has swap space then it installs into >4GB OK | 20:21 |
| gilir | any other questions for dev report ? | 20:22 |
| gilir | #topic amjjawad - Weekly report - Update from Support Team | 20:22 |
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| amjjawad | I'm looking forward to create a simple beginner guide about Lubuntu. For new comers mailny - that is a next project | 20:23 |
| MrChrisDruif | That's support and not wiki/docs because...? | 20:23 |
| amjjawad | as for other support stuff, nothing special except one case I'm working on and if I need help, I know someone on the forum and he is the right one for that job coz it has to do with GRUB2 and an old machine | 20:23 |
| phillw | amjjawad: liase with MrChrisDruif, he's up next fior docs. | 20:24 |
| amjjawad | guys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda | 20:24 |
| amjjawad | phillw: and MrChrisDruif check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda | 20:24 |
| MrChrisDruif | amjjawad; your point with that link is? | 20:24 |
| gilir | don't update the agenda so lately ;) | 20:24 |
| phillw | amjjawad: I do have it open :) | 20:24 |
| amjjawad | OMG | 20:25 |
| amjjawad | just keep me at the end and stop nagging :( | 20:25 |
| amjjawad | MrChrisDruif: please | 20:25 |
| amjjawad | go a head | 20:25 |
| phillw | gilir: +1, should be closed 24 hours before meeting | 20:25 |
| gilir | MrChrisDruif, my fault, we will go to doc/wiki just after this one | 20:26 |
| amjjawad | gilir: no, pass it on please! | 20:26 |
| * gilir skiped amjjawad point | 20:26 | |
| gilir | ... | 20:26 |
| phillw | gilir: #action me to make that clear on the Agenda page | 20:27 |
| gilir | #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team | 20:27 |
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| amjjawad | gilir: just ignore everything related to my edit - now excuse me, I must leave | 20:27 |
| amjjawad | you guys can carry on and if there is something urgent, I shall send an email. IRC is not my cup of tea and will never be, sorry gilir | 20:27 |
| phillw | o/ | 20:27 |
| MrChrisDruif | o7 | 20:28 |
| MrChrisDruif | Anyhow, but to subject | 20:28 |
| gilir | phillw, let's finish MrChrisDruif, I'll go back to you after | 20:28 |
| MrChrisDruif | We had a new team member for maybe an hour for about an hour or so | 20:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | It was "littlegirl" (IRC name) but right after I had spoken to her I had to go offline to get to bed | 20:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | After I left the conversation continued and it had a funny twist somewhere and she decided to leave again. | 20:30 |
| MrChrisDruif | I've send her an email tonight and hope she'll reply to that. | 20:30 |
| MrChrisDruif | She came with the idea for my next item anyway. | 20:31 |
| gilir | MrChrisDruif, ok, we will discuss it after this point, anything to add ? | 20:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | I've noticed that people started to translate the Lubuntu wiki to Spanish, but I've got to get some contact with those people so we are all on one line | 20:31 |
| wxl | MrChrisDruif: as i'm sure you've noticed they all seem to be on the facebook group | 20:32 |
| MrChrisDruif | wxl; yup, but I'd like them to be in the launchpad group as well, so we can talk more easily and also show the "world" that I'm not doing this gig alone | 20:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | I can't think of anything to add to this topic. | 20:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | Q's? | 20:34 |
| phillw | MrChrisDruif: you will get used to phrase "like trying to herd cats" | 20:34 |
| gilir | thanks MrChrisDruif | 20:34 |
| phillw | o/ | 20:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | phillw; ? | 20:34 |
| gilir | go phillw | 20:34 |
| phillw | I'd like to let the 'team' know that I had a a chat about MrChrisDruif becoming an wiki admin person. | 20:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ah right, didn't think about that | 20:35 |
| phillw | it went well, and I am confident that Lubuntu will have 2 wiki admins out of a total of 13 :) | 20:36 |
| phillw | end of report. | 20:36 |
| gilir | that would be cool :) | 20:36 |
| phillw | gilir: just part of the master plan for lubuntu to take over the world :D | 20:37 |
| kanliot | don't talk about that here | 20:37 |
| gilir | phillw, it's a secret ;) | 20:37 |
| gilir | #topic MrChrisDruif - Offline documentation, wanted? | 20:37 |
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| MrChrisDruif | Yes, littlegirl suggested this one actually | 20:38 |
| gilir | MrChrisDruif, let's introduce your topic, I'll add my point after :) | 20:38 |
| gilir | MrChrisDruif, is it a copy of the wiki documentation available offline, or another documentation source ? | 20:39 |
| MrChrisDruif | Offline documentation is something for people who want to install Lubuntu on computers without internet connection | 20:39 |
| MrChrisDruif | Use-case: If I'd install Lubuntu on one of my grandparents computer e.g. | 20:39 |
| MrChrisDruif | They would just "use" it without trying to install new software | 20:40 |
| bioterror | would that offline documentation be localized? how about images? | 20:41 |
| MrChrisDruif | But if they have questions that aren't answered by the man-pages (if I could even explain to them how to get there) then this would come in handy | 20:41 |
| MrChrisDruif | To add to that are man-pages pretty technical most of the time | 20:41 |
| MrChrisDruif | bioterror; I don't know what you mean with images, but that offline documentation should be localized ideally | 20:42 |
| MrChrisDruif | The current kubuntu-docs was about 45MB if I remember correctly what littlegirl mentioned | 20:42 |
| wxl | MrChrisDruif: i think if i understand bioterror he means that traditionally localized documentation would be in the form of man pages which are pretty much incompatible with images and a lot of formatting that is to be expected with wiki pages | 20:43 |
| phillw | gilir: could 45MB be squeezed on? | 20:43 |
| gilir | phillw, space is not a problem on our CD | 20:44 |
| wxl | the only way i could see getting around that would be using html | 20:44 |
| wxl | somehow it would have to be integrated in such a way that it would be clear how to get help | 20:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | Not for this release of course, but this item on the gauge interest in this | 20:44 |
| gilir | my main concern is to maintain another source of documentation, disconnected from the wiki | 20:44 |
| Myrtti | bioterror: in practice that is for the local respins/remixes to do and include on the installation media, it could be packaged as a lubuntu-documentation-<ISO language code> whatever in the repos for downloading and the documentation included with the CD in the other flavours has AFAIK been HTML | 20:44 |
| wxl | a .desktop under System Tools perhaps | 20:44 |
| phillw | wxl: Mac comes with 'view internal help'. Love them or hate them, having that facility there is a plus. | 20:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | After that I'll have to look into how to make it happen | 20:45 |
| Myrtti | although my memories on the subject go back to 2006 | 20:45 |
| wxl | and then how to syn? | 20:45 |
| wxl | sync i mean | 20:45 |
| wxl | i guess the only way for that to happen is it would have to be a package | 20:45 |
| kanliot | well IMHO, right now we have 0 offline documentation. We could start with a little documentation. like a few pages. Can we make that happen? | 20:45 |
| bioterror | Myrtti, if I remember right finns has own spin? I think I'll check it one day ;) | 20:45 |
| Myrtti | yup | 20:45 |
| wxl | and on the back end someone would have to maintain the package, i.e. turn the raw wiki pages into a package for distribution | 20:45 |
| MrChrisDruif | kanliot; I think so, maybe not for this release but just accumulate over time | 20:46 |
| wxl | i love this idea, don't get me wrong, but it's not just a simple easy thing to do i don't think | 20:46 |
| Myrtti | sounds like a job for LaTeX/other similar markup language | 20:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | wxl; I'm not say it'll be easy, but this item is just to gauge interest | 20:46 |
| Myrtti | I've forgotten their names | 20:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | After that I'd have to look into how to make it happen | 20:47 |
| kanliot | can we agree to make the docs, not specific to any distribution, so we don't have to update it for each version? | 20:47 |
| phillw | wxl: in the past few months, we have been quietly getting all support to wiki. Exporting wiki to CD is not a major problem :) | 20:47 |
| wxl | MrChrisDruif: well sometimes interest is not sufficient :D the docs team is not composed of package maintainers (tho i'd be happy to take on the task!) | 20:47 |
| gilir | MrChrisDruif, the interest is real for everyone, just need a good way to do / maintain it | 20:47 |
| wxl | i hear many users in #lubuntu asking for help with this or that due to the lack of an internet connection | 20:47 |
| wxl | think of what a pain it must be for them to get online to ask! | 20:48 |
| wxl | and then imagine all the other folks that don't have that other option… | 20:48 |
| phillw | wxl: We can export our wiki area. | 20:48 |
| MrChrisDruif | Al right, I'll get in touch with kubuntu with how they do things. Hopefully they can teach us how to do it | 20:48 |
| phillw | I do not mean it is an easy task, but it is do-able. | 20:49 |
| kanliot | i don't like this project. it's too vague | 20:49 |
| wxl | kanliot: ? | 20:50 |
| phillw | kanliot: talk to me later :) | 20:50 |
| gilir | #action MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily | 20:50 |
| meetingology | ACTION: MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily | 20:50 |
| MrChrisDruif | Thanks gilir, I just *love* ACTIONS ^_^ | 20:50 |
| gilir | ;) | 20:50 |
| gilir | let's see how technicaly it's do-able, we will discuss it after :) | 20:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | Agreed | 20:51 |
| gilir | #topic Any Other Business | 20:51 |
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| phillw | gilir: can you #action me to update the Agenda page to state 24 hours notice is required... else I will forget!] | 20:51 |
| gilir | #action phillw to update the agenda page about updates | 20:52 |
| meetingology | ACTION: phillw to update the agenda page about updates | 20:52 |
| gilir | thanks for the reminder :) | 20:52 |
| MrChrisDruif | I think Ali needs to learn that teams can make their own guidelines | 20:52 |
| phillw | thnx :) | 20:52 |
| MrChrisDruif | Just as a note on one of his suggestions | 20:52 |
| MrChrisDruif | No Other Business from me | 20:53 |
| phillw | MrChrisDruif: he is still a rough diamond, as is kanliot. Both have caused me to have 'discussions'. | 20:53 |
| gilir | ok, let's end this meeting then | 20:53 |
| kanliot | ya | 20:53 |
| Myrtti | IRC team? | 20:53 |
| gilir | Myrtti, Unit193 told me there was nothing to report | 20:53 |
| Myrtti | right | 20:54 |
| phillw | Myrtti: Unit193 had nothing to report, unless you do? | 20:54 |
| gilir | you want to add something ? | 20:54 |
| Unit193 | Silverlion resigned. | 20:54 |
| Unit193 | thanks, Myrtti. | 20:54 |
| Myrtti | np | 20:55 |
| gilir | ok, thanks for the info | 20:55 |
| gilir | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| Riddell | MrChrisDruif: hmm? | 21:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | Riddell; ? | 21:19 |
| Riddell | my kubuntu highlight pinged | 21:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ah, awesome | 21:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | You are on #kubuntu or somewhere else we can talk "offtopic" concerning kubuntu offline documentation? | 21:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | Riddell; ^ | 21:21 |
| Riddell | MrChrisDruif: #kubuntu-devel | 21:22 |
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