=== smb` is now known as smb === myrtti is now known as Myrtti === astraljava1 is now known as astraljava === ZarroBoogs is now known as Pici === Guest31547 is now known as tobin === ogra is now known as Guest67850 === ogra_ is now known as ogry === ogry is now known as ogra_ [14:03] * phillw yawns & stretches.... meeting time? [14:04] It's supposed to. [14:04] balloons: ping :) [14:09] hmm, I can't find him :/ I'll give it a couple of minutes more then I guess we hold a short meeting. [14:10] Ok. [14:11] Wonder if _he_ just forget, after sending the reminder about the changed schedule. :) [14:11] forgot* [14:11] @startmeeting QA meeting [14:11] phillw: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command. [14:12] #startmeeting QA Meeting [14:12] Meeting started Wed Apr 4 14:12:05 2012 UTC. The chair is phillw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 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[14:14] #topic Ubuntu Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Updates [14:15] is there anyone in from the Ubuntu team? [14:16] #topic Flavour Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Flavour Updates [14:16] #topic Lubuntu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Lubuntu [14:16] All testing is going well, so nothing to really report [14:17] kanliot: will be liasing with QA during my absence, I know he will be extended the help & support you have given me [14:17] thanks phillw [14:18] #topic Flavours === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Flavours [14:18] Any one in from other flavours who can give an update? [14:18] * astraljava is in for Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio [14:19] #topic Xubuntu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Xubuntu [14:19] astraljava: the floor is yours. === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:19] Thanks phillw. Some small changes regarding artwork. [14:19] There's been a change to mixer settings. [14:20] We now prefer pavucontrol over xfce4-mixer for Xubuntu session. [14:20] It partially works, unmuting still isn't fool-proof. [14:20] There was also an icon issue found in indicator-plugin. [14:21] There are _no_ icons if T-bird is not running, but placeholders when it is. It also concerns Evolution, so not technically Xubuntu-related only. [14:21] New translations were requested for Abiword. [14:22] I'm working on it together with the Debian maintainer, but expecting to just update the po/ directory. [14:22] Nothing more for Xubuntu, IIRC. [14:22] .. [14:22] astraljava: thanks [14:22] #topic Ubuntu Studio === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Studio [14:23] New -lowlatency kernel is landing soon-ish, needing lots of testing. [14:23] Just found out that ubuntustudio-audio meta-package isn't installed by default, which worries me greatly. [14:23] Also wanting to make the mixer change like Xubuntu. [14:23] I'm working on the issue together with mr_pouit and other Xubuntu devs. [14:24] Nothing more that I can think of right now. [14:24] .. [14:24] astraljava: thanks [14:24] #Ubuntu Updates [14:24] #topic Ubuntu Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Updates [14:25] skaet: could you give us any news on Ubuntu, please? [14:26] * phillw did ask in -release if anyone was available, it seems not. [14:26] #topic Any Other Business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Any Other Business [14:27] has anyone got any thing to add, with the exception of why no one is here! [14:27] * astraljava wonders if this new schedule is actually working out for everyone... [14:27] I'll catch up with balloons and find out what has happened... the email was sent! [14:28] I got no reply from Ballons in e-mails today, maybe he's busy with some other urgency [14:28] * skaet waves, just a sec [14:28] skaet: of course. do you want topic changing back to Ubuntu Updates? [14:28] Ubuntu will be kernel freezing on tomorrow at 2100 UTC. Am wondering how the low latency kernel state. [14:29] #topic Ubuntu Update === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Update [14:29] phillw, no matter. [14:30] Dates upcoming, Kernel Freeze - April 5, Final Freeze - April 12 (all important bug fixes should be added by this date) [14:30] Release Candidate Week starts - April 19 (all images produced after this point will need testing), as they could be the one we ship. [14:31] April 26 - Release :) [14:31] that's the schedule for the month coming up... [14:31] skaet: has any progress been made on bug 972285 if there is a kernel freeze coming up? [14:31] Launchpad bug 972285 in linux (Ubuntu) "segmentation fault when start on linux 3.0.0-18-generic" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972285 [14:32] A big thank you to the folks who got the last bug fixes in and tested. Beta 2 is looking good overall - not seeing any serious spikeds. [14:32] s/spikeds/spikes where we aren't expecting them in bug traffic ;) / [14:33] the whole of this cycle has been outstandingly stable :) [14:33] o/ [14:33] :) [14:33] EffenbergAway: the floor is yours [14:33] phillw, just know about that one, what is in the bug. Looks like the kernel team is on it. [14:33] my first time testing & it seems going smooth after my first run :D [14:33] and a possible reversion would work. [14:34] * skaet ends [14:34] There is a growing number of users complaining about bug 951404 (and dups). [14:34] Launchpad bug 951404 in lightdm (Ubuntu Precise) "Ubuntu 12.04 session don't open with lightdm" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951404 [14:34] I'm worried about it [14:35] Forum staff members asked for advice. It looks like removing unity-greeter for gtk is the only workaround for some [14:35] EffenbergAway: it has been allocated to the Canonical Desktop Team, so I'm sure it is being worked on [14:35] Thanks Philw :) [14:35] I mailed yesternight about LyX; could someone check the package in the Software Center plz? [14:36] skaet: could you ask the Desktop team for an update and put it onto the bug? [14:37] BEC: 455.aMB/761.5MB [14:37] exactly; isn't that too big? on 10.04 it is around 10.5M [14:37] total [14:38] BEC: yeah, I saw that bug in my emails... a bit odd, to say the least. [14:38] phillw, have put out some pings. will ask. [14:38] btw didn't bug it [14:38] should i? [14:38] BEC: yes please [14:38] thx [14:38] i will [14:39] any one else? [14:39] Build includes debug info? Probably strip and o3? [14:40] the following bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/969485 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/969700; are they gona be fixed? [14:40] Launchpad bug 969485 in linux (Ubuntu) "Fan working non-stop" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:40] Launchpad bug 969700 in linux (Ubuntu) "Sound imbalance" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:42] btw, a a few months ago I lost the suspend & hibernate features on 10.04; when I use them the system shutdowns instead; not sure of the reason [14:42] any idea of its possible cause? [14:42] BEC: I've found that getting a few 'affects me' people onto a bug gets it noticed as it raises the heat. [14:44] i noticed that too; so they might not get a fix soon? [14:44] Well, thanks to those who made it. Hopfully for next week more people will have read their e-mails about the new time of the meeting. [14:44] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [14:44] Meeting ended Wed Apr 4 14:44:53 2012 UTC. [14:44] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-04-14.12.moin.txt [14:44] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-04-14.12.html [14:50] EffenbergAway, hey [14:52] phillw ^ is EffenbergAway around? some questions about that bug. [14:52] Hi [14:52] sorry, was afk [14:53] shoot! [14:54] seb128 ^ [14:54] EffenbergAway, hey, skaet mentioned you get some lightdm issues? [14:54] EffenbergAway, can you describe exactly what happens? (did you open a bug about it, can you give the number?) [14:55] Yes, there seem to be some users that can't get past lightdm. They select session, user, enter password, screen goes black, and back to lightdm [14:55] Some mentioned removing unity-greeter, using gtk-greeter fixes [14:55] The old solution (from OO cycle), to remove .Xauthority is not working [14:56] It seems to happen with people that updated from OO, not with fresh installs of Beta 2 [14:56] newbies get stuck - no desktop - no way of getting support [14:57] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951404 [14:57] Launchpad bug 951404 in lightdm (Ubuntu Precise) "Ubuntu 12.04 session don't open with lightdm" [High,Confirmed] [14:57] there are dups... and UbuntuForums users that haven't +1'd in these reports [14:57] I've also seen a number of occurrences in local ubuntu forums (Brazil) [14:58] No definitive workaround known [14:58] EffenbergAway, one part of issues could have been the unity-greeter bugs fixed with yesterday update [14:58] * phillw this room is booked for a meeting in 2 minutes - can you please move over to #ubuntu-testing, please :) [14:58] EffenbergAway, can you get somebody who has the issue to reply to my questions on that bug? === Corey_ is now known as Corey [14:59] phillw, sure, or #ubuntu-bugs [14:59] phillw, EffenbergAway: can you join #ubuntu-bugs? [15:00] sure, moving, thanks === emma is now known as em [15:03] * slangasek waves [15:03] o/ [15:03] #startmeeting [15:03] Meeting started Wed Apr 4 15:03:47 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:04] * stgraber waves [15:04] hi [15:05] [TOPIC] lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round [15:05] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson) [15:05] bdmurray cjwatson ogra slangasek jodh barry infinity doko ev stgraber [15:06] bug triage of ios-testing bug reports [15:06] update-manager bug triage [15:06] triage of update-manager bug regarding nonofficial mirrors and dist upgrades bug 289952 [15:06] Launchpad bug 289952 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager rewrites sources.list to only use official mirrors" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289952 [15:06] fixed update-manager bug 969182 [15:06] Launchpad bug 969182 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "alternate-cd-upgrade from 10.04 lts to 12.04 lts beta failed" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969182 [15:06] duplicate consolidation of bug 837525 using udd [15:06] bug triage of duplicates of bug 541595 (47 more marked) [15:06] modifications to collect-bug-data to check search_criteria statuses too [15:06] wrote an iso-testing tracker defect querier [15:06] Launchpad bug 837525 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "package PACKAGE failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '': No such file or directory" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837525 [15:06] Launchpad bug 541595 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "[Master] package failed to install/upgrade: package is already installed and configured" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541595 [15:06] fixed calamaris bug 569514, forwarded patch to debian [15:06] performance review [15:06] tried to help the ubuntu rtl team subscribe to all bugs tagged rtl [15:06] holiday on the 2nd and 3rd [15:06] Launchpad bug 569514 in calamaris (Debian) "Doesn't work for squid3 logs" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569514 [15:06] . done [15:06] os-prober/grub2 rearrangements to fix bug 963471. [15:06] Some cross-building fixes. [15:06] Added an installer facility to preseed the default partition table type (partman-partitioning/default_label), useful for testing GPT. [15:06] Launchpad bug 963471 in os-prober (Ubuntu) "Not all OS shown in grub-install screen at end of installation" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/963471 [15:06] Worked around the worst of the TLS 1.2 problems with OpenSSL 1.0.1, as suggested by upstream (bug 965371). [15:06] Launchpad bug 965371 in openssl (Ubuntu Precise) "HTTPS requests fail on some sites on Ubuntu 12.04" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965371 [15:06] Merged new aptitude, to handle multiarch a bit better (bug 831768). [15:06] Launchpad bug 831768 in aptitude (Ubuntu Precise) "aptitude cannot handle conflicts with multiarch enabled" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831768 [15:07] Fixed biosgrub method display in ubiquity (bug 969038). [15:07] Launchpad bug 969038 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot create bios boot partition from manual partitioner in ubiquity" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969038 [15:07] Fixed a number of test rebuild failures in main, and analysed a number of the rest. [15:07] Added 4K sector support to grub2, and then fixed a regression caused by that (bug 972250). [15:07] Launchpad bug 972250 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "regression from 4k_sectors.patch: "non-sector-aligned data is found in the core file"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972250 [15:07] Fixed autopkgtest support in ubiquity. [15:07] Working on queue API in Launchpad. Still some way off complete, though making progress. [15:07] Working on bug 792652. [15:07] Launchpad bug 792652 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with ValueError in command(): I/O operation on closed file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792652 [15:07] done [15:08] ogra's off [15:08] slangasek: [15:09] sorry, was digesting the above :) [15:09] * ongoing work around partner repo [15:09] * did some work over the weekend looking into cross-buildability of the base system; applied some fixes, including some to apt [15:09] * preparing an apt upload for a few issues (bug #924628, bug #968828, et al) [15:09] Launchpad bug 924628 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "package libapt-pkg4.12 0.8.16~exp12ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: './usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/libapt-pkg4.12.mo' is different from the same file on the system" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924628 [15:09] * discussions around the future strategy of init in Ubuntu [15:09] Launchpad bug 968828 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-get build-dep -a $arch has wrong behavior for Build-Depends-Indep" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968828 [15:09] * still working on the update-notifier changes to fix bug #876298 [15:09] Launchpad bug 876298 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298 [15:09] * performance reviews [15:10] (done) [15:10] jodh: [15:10] * [boot/upstart]: Discussions around the future strategy of init in Ubuntu. [15:10] * [boot/plymouth]: [15:10] * Working on Plymouth SIGSEGV bug (553745 - 270 duplicates!) [15:10] We can now recreate the problem, which is the first step to [15:10] understanding it. Still proving difficult to track down what is [15:10] causing the corruption, but it appears to be related to the script plugin. [15:11] * Updated wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth [15:11] ◱ [15:11] [15:11] no barry or infinity today [15:11] doko: [15:12] - bug triage (python2.7) [15:12] - bug fix uploads for python2.7, gcc-4.7, mpfr4, pcsc-lite, bash, gccgo [15:12] - started test rebuild, fortunately amoog did file the reports [15:12] - analyzed and filed gcc-4.7 build failures (debian). http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=ftbfs-gcc-4.7;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org [15:12] - self appraisal [15:12] - reproduce build failures with GCC Linaro [15:12] - TODO for tomorrow: grub testing (broken windows partition on mac), lts upgrade version n [15:12] umber checks [15:12] - next week will be short (Fri and Mon bank holidays) [15:12] (done) [15:12] - Went to Cassandra Europe last Wednesday. Trip report forthcoming, but if you [15:12] want a taste: [15:12] https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=48667#txn-862810 [15:12] - Discussed Cassandra backup strategies with James. [15:12] - The crash database is finally completely live as of April 2nd. Due to a [15:12] deployment bug, up until a few days ago it wasn't handling core file [15:12] submissions, and thus was not bucketing binary crashes. [15:12] - Cowboyed a few fixes to the production retracer with the IS team. [15:12] - Working on a Django and d3.js (do check it out d3, it's awesome) web [15:13] application for crash database statistics. [15:13] - Working with IS to continue the deployment of the crash database components, [15:13] better handle retracer overload. [15:13] - Suggestions welcome on ways to improve apport-retrace performance. We're [15:13] going to have something watching the Rabbit queue, and using a RED-like [15:13] algorithm: [15:13] doko: pcsc-lite> did you do rebuild tests of the revdeps? :) [15:13] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.adv-qdisc.red.html [15:13] not accepting some core file submissions until things quiet back down. [15:13] - Worked with Matthew to review his mock up of the design for the statistics [15:13] website. [15:13] - Reviewed the installation and upgrade pages of the 12.04 website for the [15:13] web team. [15:13] - We saw 1505 unique problems (buckets) yesterday (and *many* instances of [15:13] those problems). [15:13] - 0 new whoopsie bugs. Please keep an eye on that process on your systems and [15:13] do let me know if it gets out of hand. [15:13] (done) [15:14] slangasek, no =-/ [15:14] adding to my list [15:14] - ISO tracker [15:14] - Worked on a series of bugfixes that are now applied to http://iso.qa.dev.stgraber.org [15:14] - Wrote a python module to access the tracker API, works with python2 and python3 and is [15:14] fully tested. This will be the recommended way to access the API. [15:14] lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/python-qatracker [15:14] - Updating API documentation on the website now, will then ask IS to update production. [15:14] - Containers [15:14] - Some more LXC testing and fixes for per-container apparmor profile and making sure [15:14] we don't get actions weirdly denied by apparmor. Looks like we caught them all finally. [15:14] - Networking [15:14] - Uploaded a new ifupdown cleaning up /etc/network/interfaces on systems that go invalid [15:14] dns-nameservers entries from netcfg. Also fixes the broadcast address on systems with [15:14] static config. [15:14] - Updated regexp in resolvconf to match multiple entries in dns-nameservers [15:14] - Installer [15:14] - One minor ubiquity-dm fix for ubuntu studio [15:14] doko: could you please check that, at *least* for main? (freerdp/wpasupplicant) since this change is landing past your own autobuild test ;) [15:14] - Partner archive [15:15] - Did some packaging and tests [15:15] - Synced libva from Debian to have it multi-arched, fixed two FTBFS caused by the new libva [15:15] - Made zenity multi-arch:foreign which should allow vmware-view-client to be installed on amd64 [15:15] - Other [15:15] - Beta 2 release [15:15] - Improved queuebot some more [15:15] - Released and uploaded the final (I hope) LTSP for 12.04, 5.3.7 [15:15] - Fixed all the bugs discovered during ISO testing for Edubuntu [15:15] slangasek, will do [15:15] - Fixed an annoying bug in irssi (alt-backspace not working) [15:15] - Performance review [15:15] - Vacation and timezone change [15:15] - I'll be off on Friday (6th) and Monday (9th) [15:15] - I'll then be working from Europe (CEST) until the 29th [15:15] - TODO this week (today/tomorrow) [15:15] thanks [15:15] - Test current ISO tracker and file RT ticket for update of production [15:15] - Look at bug 873468 [15:15] Launchpad bug 873468 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "Update to latest Release failed for overloaded mirrors with no descriptive error message" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873468 [15:15] - Spend any remaining time on installer bugs. [15:15] (DONE) [15:17] any questions? [15:18] [TOPIC] Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs [15:19] when I was looking at update-manager bugs I ran across bug 289952 [15:19] Launchpad bug 289952 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager rewrites sources.list to only use official mirrors" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289952 [15:19] there's a config knob for that, though it isn't well-documented [15:20] and it just seems to me that option for allowing third party sources isn't well known [15:20] hmm, this was discussed at UDS [15:20] cjwatson: right, so I wonder what we can do to make it more well documented [15:20] it was agreed we should be disabling third-party sources for the upgrade, but re-enabling them afterwards [15:20] (but hasn't gotten done yet) [15:21] slangasek: that doesn't address the "faster downloads from local mirror" problem, though, so wouldn't deal with this bug [15:21] ah [15:22] TBH none of update-manager's configuration is particularly documented; it probably needs somebody to go through the whole thing and write a man page or something ... [15:22] (also, many of its configuration options are misspelled) [15:22] is the local mirror thing worth documenting in the release noteS? [15:22] under "how to upgrade" [15:22] isn't it too late in the release cycle for updating the man page? [15:23] not if somebody has time to do the work [15:23] it may be too late to find anyone with time ;-) [15:23] slangasek: yes [15:23] (imo) [15:23] bdmurray: can you open a task on ubuntu-release-notes for it? [15:23] I have a different approach locally - I have /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.d/local-mirrors.cfg with: [15:23] [Sources] [15:24] ValidMirrors=/etc/update-manager/local-mirrors [15:24] and /etc/update-manager/local-mirrors with: [15:24] http://mirror/ubuntu [15:24] http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [15:24] # etc. [15:24] slangasek: sure [15:24] that's a bit more fiddly to set up though, and I haven't actually tested it in anger for a while [15:26] bug 964812 is also regarding update-manager and the modifications it makes to sources.list [15:26] Launchpad bug 964812 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "release upgrade failed because of missing essential package ubuntu-minimal" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964812 [15:28] doesn't that reduce to the same issue though? [15:28] The best I think we can do there is improve the error message [15:30] * slangasek follows up to the bug with that [15:31] If you look at Screenlog.txt you'll see that it uses archive.ubuntu.com and de2.archive.ubuntu.com with odd comibnations [15:31] precise-updates/main [15:31] precise/multiverse [15:32] precise-backports/main [15:32] but no precise/main [15:33] hmm [15:33] maybe we need their original sources.list? [15:34] I think so [15:35] followed up [15:35] okay, then in bug 965819 the reporter indicates that reiserfsprogs wasn't installed [15:35] Launchpad bug 965819 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mount fail during boot-up" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965819 [15:36] hooray, fairly sure I've got bug 792652 [15:36] Launchpad bug 792652 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with ValueError in command(): I/O operation on closed file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792652 [15:36] yay! [15:36] \o/ [15:36] cjwatson: does reiserfsprogs get pulled in at install time if you format reiserfs? [15:37] yes, it should do; that bug is odd [15:37] ok [15:37] I don't think that's a high priority bug then [15:37] it would be if it were failing :) [15:37] reassigned to ubiquity and incompleted [15:38] slangasek: sources.list was in the clone file [15:38] oh, oops [15:38] maybe fails when reusing an existing /home filesystem, although from the code I don't see why it would [15:39] it seems like update-manager should at least make sure main is enabled [15:40] bdmurray: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list seems to have the answer to the strange output [15:41] yes, u-m *is* making sure main is enabled, by erroring out if it isn't... :) [15:42] I don't think it would be productive for u-m to go editing the sources.list to add main to a mirror of its choice [15:42] prerequists> speaking of misspellings ... [15:42] slangasek: okay but a more descriptive error message would help here [15:43] yes, agreed [15:44] those three are the only bugs I had for us [15:44] ok [15:45] the rls-p-tracking list has gotten longer again I see [15:45] cjwatson: 972250, is the fix for that uploaded? the report shows it as in-progress [15:45] [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html [15:45] bug #972250 [15:45] Launchpad bug 972250 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "regression from 4k_sectors.patch: "non-sector-aligned data is found in the core file"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972250 [15:45] slangasek: yes, uploaded [15:45] the list is a day out of date as usual [15:46] doh [15:47] anything on that list that looks at-risk to have for 12.04? [15:47] i.e., please review your assigned bugs there and shout if you don't think the fix is getting in [15:48] I *think* all my >=High ones are still OK [15:48] I only had a quick look at bug 772470 but not being able to reproduce (ENOWINDOWS) makes it difficult to work on [15:48] Launchpad bug 772470 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "os-prober doesn't detect Windows partition but the recovery partition instead" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772470 [15:48] * jodh crosses everything for bug 553745. [15:49] Launchpad bug 553745 in plymouth (Ubuntu Maverick) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553745 [15:49] so I'm happy to swap bugs with someone ;) [15:49] stgraber: do you need windows licenses for testing? we have those [15:50] the direction of http://people.canonical.com/~rspencer/rls_bugs.svg is certainly unpleasant [15:50] (though that's all teams) [15:50] *someone* is gonna have to run windows to reproduce this issue, so I'm not sure swapping helps us any :) [15:51] I just nuked my windows install to do EFI testing; although I did keep a backup [15:51] slangasek: yeah, I guess having a standard version of windows would help (I only have windows 8 and windows 2008 DC edition), I'm not totally sure how to reproduce the Windows part of that setup though, doesn't look like what you get with a default install [15:51] regarding the page title in screen reader bug, which is now assigned to me, I've asked #ubuntu-accessibility for advice on what the desired behaviour should be and am awaiting a response [15:51] stgraber: oh right, you need a recovery partition to reproduce it, don't you :/ [15:52] I have a dual boot system with a recovery partition (I think) [15:52] bdmurray: want to hack on os-prober? [15:52] it's actually ubiquity that needs hacking, as I explained in that bug [15:53] oh [15:53] bdmurray: want to hack on ubiquity? :) [15:53] comment 5 [15:54] bdmurray: doesn't sound like it ;) Alternatively can you get stgraber access to your machine for testing, or send him a disk image? [15:55] slangasek: sure, I'm happy to help [15:55] stgraber, bdmurray: you two can sort it out from there then? [15:56] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:56] anything else? [15:57] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:57] Meeting ended Wed Apr 4 15:57:13 2012 UTC. 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