[14:03]  * phillw yawns & stretches.... meeting time?
[14:04] <astraljava> It's supposed to.
[14:04] <phillw> balloons: ping :)
[14:09] <phillw> hmm, I can't find him :/ I'll give it a couple of minutes more then I guess we hold a short meeting.
[14:10] <astraljava> Ok.
[14:11] <astraljava> Wonder if _he_ just forget, after sending the reminder about the changed schedule. :)
[14:11] <astraljava> forgot*
[14:11] <phillw> @startmeeting QA meeting
[14:11] <meetingology> phillw: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command.
[14:12] <phillw> #startmeeting QA Meeting
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[14:12] <astraljava> phillw: Use hash.
[14:12] <phillw> hi, you'll have to put up with me!
[14:12] <phillw> can all present please say aye (or the usual o/)
[14:12] <astraljava> o/
[14:14] <phillw> this will be a really short meeting :/
[14:14] <astraljava> Heh, indeed.
[14:14] <phillw> #topic Ubuntu Updates
[14:15] <phillw> is there anyone in from the Ubuntu team?
[14:16] <phillw> #topic Flavour Updates
[14:16] <phillw> #topic Lubuntu
[14:16] <phillw> All testing is going well, so nothing to really report
[14:17] <phillw> kanliot: will be liasing with QA during my absence, I know he will be extended the help & support you have given me
[14:17] <kanliot> thanks phillw
[14:18] <phillw> #topic Flavours
[14:18] <phillw> Any one in from other flavours who can give an update?
[14:18]  * astraljava is in for Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio
[14:19] <phillw> #topic Xubuntu
[14:19] <phillw> astraljava: the floor is yours.
[14:19] <astraljava> Thanks phillw. Some small changes regarding artwork.
[14:19] <astraljava> There's been a change to mixer settings.
[14:20] <astraljava> We now prefer pavucontrol over xfce4-mixer for Xubuntu session.
[14:20] <astraljava> It partially works, unmuting still isn't fool-proof.
[14:20] <astraljava> There was also an icon issue found in indicator-plugin.
[14:21] <astraljava> There are _no_ icons if T-bird is not running, but placeholders when it is. It also concerns Evolution, so not technically Xubuntu-related only.
[14:21] <astraljava> New translations were requested for Abiword.
[14:22] <astraljava> I'm working on it together with the Debian maintainer, but expecting to just update the po/ directory.
[14:22] <astraljava> Nothing more for Xubuntu, IIRC.
[14:22] <astraljava> ..
[14:22] <phillw> astraljava: thanks
[14:22] <phillw> #topic Ubuntu Studio
[14:23] <astraljava> New -lowlatency kernel is landing soon-ish, needing lots of testing.
[14:23] <astraljava> Just found out that ubuntustudio-audio meta-package isn't installed by default, which worries me greatly.
[14:23] <astraljava> Also wanting to make the mixer change like Xubuntu.
[14:23] <astraljava> I'm working on the issue together with mr_pouit and other Xubuntu devs.
[14:24] <astraljava> Nothing more that I can think of right now.
[14:24] <astraljava> ..
[14:24] <phillw> astraljava: thanks
[14:24] <phillw> #Ubuntu Updates
[14:24] <phillw> #topic Ubuntu Updates
[14:25] <phillw> skaet: could you give us any news on Ubuntu, please?
[14:26]  * phillw did ask in -release if anyone was available, it seems not.
[14:26] <phillw> #topic Any Other Business
[14:27] <phillw> has anyone got any thing to add, with the exception of why no one is here!
[14:27]  * astraljava wonders if this new schedule is actually working out for everyone...
[14:27] <phillw> I'll catch up with balloons and find out what has happened... the email was sent!
[14:28] <EffenbergAway> I got no reply from Ballons in e-mails today, maybe he's busy with some other urgency
[14:28]  * skaet waves,   just a sec
[14:28] <phillw> skaet: of course. do you want topic changing back to Ubuntu Updates?
[14:28] <skaet> Ubuntu will be kernel freezing on tomorrow at 2100 UTC.    Am wondering how the low latency kernel state.
[14:29] <phillw> #topic Ubuntu Update
[14:29] <skaet> phillw,  no matter.
[14:30] <skaet> Dates upcoming,   Kernel Freeze - April 5,    Final Freeze - April 12 (all important bug fixes should be added by this date)
[14:30] <skaet> Release Candidate Week starts - April 19 (all images produced after this point will need testing), as they could be the one we ship.
[14:31] <skaet> April 26 - Release :)
[14:31] <skaet> that's the schedule for the month coming up...
[14:31] <phillw> skaet: has any progress been made on bug 972285 if there is a kernel freeze coming up?
[14:32] <skaet> A big thank you to the folks who got the last bug fixes in and tested.   Beta 2 is looking good overall - not seeing any serious spikeds.
[14:32] <skaet> s/spikeds/spikes where we aren't expecting them in bug traffic ;) /
[14:33] <phillw> the whole of this cycle has been outstandingly stable :)
[14:33] <EffenbergAway> o/
[14:33] <skaet> :)
[14:33] <phillw> EffenbergAway: the floor is yours
[14:33] <skaet> phillw,  just know about that one,  what is in the bug.   Looks like the kernel team is on it.
[14:33] <BEC> my first time testing & it seems going smooth after my first run :D
[14:33] <skaet> and a possible reversion would work.
[14:34]  * skaet ends 
[14:34] <EffenbergAway> There is a growing number of users complaining about bug 951404 (and dups).
[14:34] <EffenbergAway> I'm worried about it
[14:35] <EffenbergAway> Forum staff members asked for advice. It looks like removing unity-greeter for gtk is the only workaround for some
[14:35] <phillw> EffenbergAway: it has been allocated to the Canonical Desktop Team, so I'm sure it is being worked on
[14:35] <EffenbergAway> Thanks Philw :)
[14:35] <BEC> I mailed yesternight about LyX; could someone check the package in the Software Center plz?
[14:36] <phillw> skaet: could you ask the Desktop team for an update and put it onto the bug?
[14:37] <EffenbergAway> BEC: 455.aMB/761.5MB
[14:37] <BEC> exactly; isn't that too big? on 10.04 it is around 10.5M
[14:37] <BEC> total
[14:38] <phillw> BEC: yeah, I saw that bug in my emails... a bit odd, to say the least.
[14:38] <skaet> phillw,  have put out some pings.    will ask.
[14:38] <BEC> btw didn't bug it
[14:38] <BEC> should i?
[14:38] <phillw> BEC: yes please
[14:38] <BEC> thx
[14:38] <BEC> i will
[14:39] <phillw> any one else?
[14:39] <EffenbergAway> Build includes debug info? Probably strip and o3?
[14:40] <BEC> the following bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/969485 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/969700; are they gona be fixed?
[14:42] <BEC> btw, a a few months ago I lost the suspend & hibernate features on 10.04; when I use them the system shutdowns instead; not sure of the reason
[14:42] <BEC> any idea of its possible cause?
[14:42] <phillw> BEC: I've found that getting a few 'affects me' people onto a bug gets it noticed as it raises the heat.
[14:44] <BEC> i noticed that too; so they might not get a fix soon?
[14:44] <phillw> Well, thanks to those who made it. Hopfully for next week more people will have read their e-mails about the new time of the meeting.
[14:44] <phillw> #endmeeting
[14:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr  4 14:44:53 2012 UTC.
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[14:50] <seb128> EffenbergAway, hey
[14:52] <skaet> phillw ^ is EffenbergAway around?    some questions about that bug.
[14:52] <EffenbergAway> Hi
[14:52] <EffenbergAway> sorry, was afk
[14:53] <EffenbergAway> shoot!
[14:54] <skaet> seb128 ^
[14:54] <seb128> EffenbergAway, hey, skaet mentioned you get some lightdm issues?
[14:54] <seb128> EffenbergAway, can you describe exactly what happens? (did you open a bug about it, can you give the number?)
[14:55] <EffenbergAway> Yes, there seem to be some users that can't get past lightdm. They select session, user, enter password, screen goes black, and back to lightdm
[14:55] <EffenbergAway> Some mentioned removing unity-greeter, using gtk-greeter fixes
[14:55] <EffenbergAway> The old solution (from OO cycle), to remove .Xauthority is not working
[14:56] <EffenbergAway> It seems to happen with people that updated from OO, not with fresh installs of Beta 2
[14:56] <EffenbergAway> newbies get stuck - no desktop - no way of getting support
[14:57] <EffenbergAway> https://launchpad.net/bugs/951404
[14:57] <EffenbergAway> there are dups... and UbuntuForums users that haven't +1'd in these reports
[14:57] <EffenbergAway> I've also seen a number of occurrences in local ubuntu forums (Brazil)
[14:58] <EffenbergAway> No definitive workaround known
[14:58] <seb128> EffenbergAway, one part of issues could have been the unity-greeter bugs fixed with yesterday update
[14:58]  * phillw this room is booked for a meeting in 2 minutes - can you please move over to #ubuntu-testing, please :)
[14:58] <seb128> EffenbergAway, can you get somebody who has the issue to reply to my questions on that bug?
[14:59] <seb128> phillw, sure, or #ubuntu-bugs
[14:59] <seb128> phillw, EffenbergAway: can you join #ubuntu-bugs?
[15:00] <EffenbergAway> sure, moving, thanks
[15:03]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <jodh> o/
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr  4 15:03:47 2012 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:04]  * stgraber waves
[15:04] <ev> hi
[15:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson)
[15:05] <slangasek> bdmurray cjwatson ogra slangasek jodh barry infinity doko ev stgraber
[15:06] <bdmurray> bug triage of ios-testing bug reports
[15:06] <bdmurray> update-manager bug triage
[15:06] <bdmurray> triage of update-manager bug regarding nonofficial mirrors and dist upgrades bug 289952
[15:06] <bdmurray> fixed update-manager bug 969182
[15:06] <bdmurray> duplicate consolidation of bug 837525 using udd
[15:06] <bdmurray> bug triage of duplicates of bug 541595 (47 more marked)
[15:06] <bdmurray> modifications to collect-bug-data to check search_criteria statuses too
[15:06] <bdmurray> wrote an iso-testing tracker defect querier
[15:06] <bdmurray> fixed calamaris bug 569514, forwarded patch to debian
[15:06] <bdmurray> performance review
[15:06] <bdmurray> tried to help the ubuntu rtl team subscribe to all bugs tagged rtl
[15:06] <bdmurray> holiday on the 2nd and 3rd
[15:06] <bdmurray> . done
[15:06] <cjwatson> os-prober/grub2 rearrangements to fix bug 963471.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Some cross-building fixes.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Added an installer facility to preseed the default partition table type (partman-partitioning/default_label), useful for testing GPT.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Worked around the worst of the TLS 1.2 problems with OpenSSL 1.0.1, as suggested by upstream (bug 965371).
[15:06] <cjwatson> Merged new aptitude, to handle multiarch a bit better (bug 831768).
[15:07] <cjwatson> Fixed biosgrub method display in ubiquity (bug 969038).
[15:07] <cjwatson> Fixed a number of test rebuild failures in main, and analysed a number of the rest.
[15:07] <cjwatson> Added 4K sector support to grub2, and then fixed a regression caused by that (bug 972250).
[15:07] <cjwatson> Fixed autopkgtest support in ubiquity.
[15:07] <cjwatson> Working on queue API in Launchpad.  Still some way off complete, though making progress.
[15:07] <cjwatson> Working on bug 792652.
[15:07] <cjwatson> done
[15:08] <cjwatson> ogra's off
[15:08] <cjwatson> slangasek:
[15:09] <slangasek> sorry, was digesting the above :)
[15:09] <slangasek>  * ongoing work around partner repo
[15:09] <slangasek>  * did some work over the weekend looking into cross-buildability of the base system; applied some fixes, including some to apt
[15:09] <slangasek>  * preparing an apt upload for a few issues (bug #924628, bug #968828, et al)
[15:09] <slangasek>  * discussions around the future strategy of init in Ubuntu
[15:09] <slangasek>  * still working on the update-notifier changes to fix bug #876298
[15:09] <slangasek>  * performance reviews
[15:10] <slangasek> (done)
[15:10] <slangasek> jodh:
[15:10] <jodh> * [boot/upstart]: Discussions around the future strategy of init in Ubuntu.
[15:10] <jodh> * [boot/plymouth]:
[15:10] <jodh>   * Working on Plymouth SIGSEGV bug (553745 - 270 duplicates!)
[15:10] <jodh>     We can now recreate the problem, which is the first step to
[15:10] <jodh>     understanding it. Still proving difficult to track down what is
[15:10] <jodh>     causing the corruption, but it appears to be related to the script plugin.
[15:11] <jodh>   * Updated wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
[15:11] <jodh> ◱
[15:11] <jodh>  
[15:11] <slangasek> no barry or infinity today
[15:11] <slangasek> doko:
[15:12] <doko> - bug triage (python2.7)
[15:12] <doko> - bug fix uploads for python2.7, gcc-4.7, mpfr4, pcsc-lite, bash, gccgo
[15:12] <doko> - started test rebuild, fortunately amoog did file the reports
[15:12] <doko> - analyzed and filed gcc-4.7 build failures (debian). http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=ftbfs-gcc-4.7;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org
[15:12] <doko> - self appraisal
[15:12] <doko> - reproduce build failures with GCC Linaro
[15:12] <doko> - TODO for tomorrow: grub testing (broken windows partition on mac), lts upgrade version n
[15:12] <doko> umber checks
[15:12] <doko> - next week will be short (Fri and Mon bank holidays)
[15:12] <doko> (done)
[15:12] <ev> - Went to Cassandra Europe last Wednesday. Trip report forthcoming, but if you
[15:12] <ev>   want a taste:
[15:12] <ev>   https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=48667#txn-862810
[15:12] <ev> - Discussed Cassandra backup strategies with James.
[15:12] <ev> - The crash database is finally completely live as of April 2nd. Due to a
[15:12] <ev>   deployment bug, up until a few days ago it wasn't handling core file
[15:12] <ev>   submissions, and thus was not bucketing binary crashes.
[15:12] <ev> - Cowboyed a few fixes to the production retracer with the IS team.
[15:12] <ev> - Working on a Django and d3.js (do check it out d3, it's awesome) web
[15:13] <ev>   application for crash database statistics.
[15:13] <ev> - Working with IS to continue the deployment of the crash database components,
[15:13] <ev>   better handle retracer overload.
[15:13] <ev>   - Suggestions welcome on ways to improve apport-retrace performance. We're
[15:13] <ev>     going to have something watching the Rabbit queue, and using a RED-like
[15:13] <ev>     algorithm:
[15:13] <slangasek> doko: pcsc-lite> did you do rebuild tests of the revdeps? :)
[15:13] <ev>     http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.adv-qdisc.red.html
[15:13] <ev>     not accepting some core file submissions until things quiet back down.
[15:13] <ev> - Worked with Matthew to review his mock up of the design for the statistics
[15:13] <ev>   website.
[15:13] <ev> - Reviewed the installation and upgrade pages of the 12.04 website for the
[15:13] <ev>   web team.
[15:13] <ev> - We saw 1505 unique problems (buckets) yesterday (and *many* instances of
[15:13] <ev>   those problems).
[15:13] <ev> - 0 new whoopsie bugs. Please keep an eye on that process on your systems and
[15:13] <ev>   do let me know if it gets out of hand.
[15:13] <ev> (done)
[15:14] <doko> slangasek, no =-/
[15:14] <doko> adding to my list
[15:14] <stgraber> - ISO tracker
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Worked on a series of bugfixes that are now applied to http://iso.qa.dev.stgraber.org
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Wrote a python module to access the tracker API, works with python2 and python3 and is
[15:14] <stgraber>    fully tested. This will be the recommended way to access the API.
[15:14] <stgraber>    lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/python-qatracker
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Updating API documentation on the website now, will then ask IS to update production.
[15:14] <stgraber> - Containers
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Some more LXC testing and fixes for per-container apparmor profile and making sure
[15:14] <stgraber>    we don't get actions weirdly denied by apparmor. Looks like we caught them all finally.
[15:14] <stgraber> - Networking
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Uploaded a new ifupdown cleaning up /etc/network/interfaces on systems that go invalid
[15:14] <stgraber>    dns-nameservers entries from netcfg. Also fixes the broadcast address on systems with
[15:14] <stgraber>    static config.
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Updated regexp in resolvconf to match multiple entries in dns-nameservers
[15:14] <stgraber> - Installer
[15:14] <stgraber>  - One minor ubiquity-dm fix for ubuntu studio
[15:14] <slangasek> doko: could you please check that, at *least* for main? (freerdp/wpasupplicant)  since this change is landing past your own autobuild test ;)
[15:14] <stgraber> - Partner archive
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Did some packaging and tests
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Synced libva from Debian to have it multi-arched, fixed two FTBFS caused by the new libva
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Made zenity multi-arch:foreign which should allow vmware-view-client to be installed on amd64
[15:15] <stgraber> - Other
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Beta 2 release
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Improved queuebot some more
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Released and uploaded the final (I hope) LTSP for 12.04, 5.3.7
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Fixed all the bugs discovered during ISO testing for Edubuntu
[15:15] <doko> slangasek, will do
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Fixed an annoying bug in irssi (alt-backspace not working)
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Performance review
[15:15] <stgraber> - Vacation and timezone change
[15:15] <stgraber>  - I'll be off on Friday (6th) and Monday (9th)
[15:15] <stgraber>  - I'll then be working from Europe (CEST) until the 29th
[15:15] <stgraber> - TODO this week (today/tomorrow)
[15:15] <slangasek> thanks
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Test current ISO tracker and file RT ticket for update of production
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Look at bug 873468
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Spend any remaining time on installer bugs.
[15:15] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:17] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:19] <bdmurray> when I was looking at update-manager bugs I ran across bug 289952
[15:19] <cjwatson> there's a config knob for that, though it isn't well-documented
[15:20] <bdmurray> and it just seems to me that option for allowing third party sources isn't well known
[15:20] <slangasek> hmm, this was discussed at UDS
[15:20] <bdmurray> cjwatson: right, so I wonder what we can do to make it more well documented
[15:20] <slangasek> it was agreed we should be disabling third-party sources for the upgrade, but re-enabling them afterwards
[15:20] <slangasek> (but hasn't gotten done yet)
[15:21] <cjwatson> slangasek: that doesn't address the "faster downloads from local mirror" problem, though, so wouldn't deal with this bug
[15:21] <slangasek> ah
[15:22] <cjwatson> TBH none of update-manager's configuration is particularly documented; it probably needs somebody to go through the whole thing and write a man page or something ...
[15:22] <cjwatson> (also, many of its configuration options are misspelled)
[15:22] <slangasek> is the local mirror thing worth documenting in the release noteS?
[15:22] <slangasek> under "how to upgrade"
[15:22] <bdmurray> isn't it too late in the release cycle for updating the man page?
[15:23] <cjwatson> not if somebody has time to do the work
[15:23] <cjwatson> it may be too late to find anyone with time ;-)
[15:23] <cjwatson> slangasek: yes
[15:23] <cjwatson> (imo)
[15:23] <slangasek> bdmurray: can you open a task on ubuntu-release-notes for it?
[15:23] <cjwatson> I have a different approach locally - I have /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.d/local-mirrors.cfg with:
[15:23] <cjwatson> [Sources]
[15:24] <cjwatson> ValidMirrors=/etc/update-manager/local-mirrors
[15:24] <cjwatson> and /etc/update-manager/local-mirrors with:
[15:24] <cjwatson> http://mirror/ubuntu
[15:24] <cjwatson> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[15:24] <cjwatson> # etc.
[15:24] <bdmurray> slangasek: sure
[15:24] <cjwatson> that's a bit more fiddly to set up though, and I haven't actually tested it in anger for a while
[15:26] <bdmurray> bug 964812 is also regarding update-manager and the modifications it makes to sources.list
[15:28] <slangasek> doesn't that reduce to the same issue though?
[15:28] <slangasek> The best I think we can do there is improve the error message
[15:30]  * slangasek follows up to the bug with that
[15:31] <bdmurray> If you look at Screenlog.txt you'll see that it uses archive.ubuntu.com and de2.archive.ubuntu.com with odd comibnations
[15:31] <bdmurray> precise-updates/main
[15:31] <bdmurray> precise/multiverse
[15:32] <bdmurray> precise-backports/main
[15:32] <bdmurray> but no precise/main
[15:33] <slangasek> hmm
[15:33] <bdmurray> maybe we need their original sources.list?
[15:34] <slangasek> I think so
[15:35] <slangasek> followed up
[15:35] <bdmurray> okay, then in bug 965819 the reporter indicates that reiserfsprogs wasn't installed
[15:36] <cjwatson> hooray, fairly sure I've got bug 792652
[15:36] <stgraber> yay!
[15:36] <slangasek> \o/
[15:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: does reiserfsprogs get pulled in at install time if you format reiserfs?
[15:37] <cjwatson> yes, it should do; that bug is odd
[15:37] <slangasek> ok
[15:37] <slangasek> I don't think that's a high priority bug then
[15:37] <cjwatson> it would be if it were failing :)
[15:37] <cjwatson> reassigned to ubiquity and incompleted
[15:38] <bdmurray> slangasek: sources.list was in the clone file
[15:38] <slangasek> oh, oops
[15:38] <cjwatson> maybe fails when reusing an existing /home filesystem, although from the code I don't see why it would
[15:39] <bdmurray> it seems like update-manager should at least make sure main is enabled
[15:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list seems to have the answer to the strange output
[15:41] <slangasek> yes, u-m *is* making sure main is enabled, by erroring out if it isn't... :)
[15:42] <slangasek> I don't think it would be productive for u-m to go editing the sources.list to add main to a mirror of its choice
[15:42] <cjwatson> prerequists> speaking of misspellings ...
[15:42] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay but a more descriptive error message would help here
[15:43] <slangasek> yes, agreed
[15:44] <bdmurray> those three are the only bugs I had for us
[15:44] <slangasek> ok
[15:45] <slangasek> the rls-p-tracking list has gotten longer again I see
[15:45] <slangasek> cjwatson: 972250, is the fix for that uploaded?  the report shows it as in-progress
[15:45] <slangasek> [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[15:45] <slangasek> bug #972250
[15:45] <cjwatson> slangasek: yes, uploaded
[15:45] <cjwatson> the list is a day out of date as usual
[15:46] <slangasek> doh
[15:47] <slangasek> anything on that list that looks at-risk to have for 12.04?
[15:47] <slangasek> i.e., please review your assigned bugs there and shout if you don't think the fix is getting in
[15:48] <cjwatson> I *think* all my >=High ones are still OK
[15:48] <stgraber> I only had a quick look at bug 772470 but not being able to reproduce (ENOWINDOWS) makes it difficult to work on
[15:48]  * jodh crosses everything for bug 553745.
[15:49] <stgraber> so I'm happy to swap bugs with someone ;)
[15:49] <slangasek> stgraber: do you need windows licenses for testing?  we have those
[15:50] <cjwatson> the direction of http://people.canonical.com/~rspencer/rls_bugs.svg is certainly unpleasant
[15:50] <cjwatson> (though that's all teams)
[15:50] <slangasek> *someone* is gonna have to run windows to reproduce this issue, so I'm not sure swapping helps us any :)
[15:51] <cjwatson> I just nuked my windows install to do EFI testing; although I did keep a backup
[15:51] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah, I guess having a standard version of windows would help (I only have windows 8 and windows 2008 DC edition), I'm not totally sure how to reproduce the Windows part of that setup though, doesn't look like what you get with a default install
[15:51] <cjwatson> regarding the page title in screen reader bug, which is now assigned to me, I've asked #ubuntu-accessibility for advice on what the desired behaviour should be and am awaiting a response
[15:51] <slangasek> stgraber: oh right, you need a recovery partition to reproduce it, don't you :/
[15:52] <bdmurray> I have a dual boot system with a recovery partition (I think)
[15:52] <slangasek> bdmurray: want to hack on os-prober?
[15:52] <cjwatson> it's actually ubiquity that needs hacking, as I explained in that bug
[15:53] <slangasek> oh
[15:53] <slangasek> bdmurray: want to hack on ubiquity? :)
[15:53] <cjwatson> comment 5
[15:54] <slangasek> bdmurray: doesn't sound like it ;)  Alternatively can you get stgraber access to your machine for testing, or send him a disk image?
[15:55] <bdmurray> slangasek: sure, I'm happy to help
[15:55] <slangasek> stgraber, bdmurray: you two can sort it out from there then?
[15:56] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:56] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:57] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr  4 15:57:13 2012 UTC.
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[15:57] <slangasek> thanks all :)
[15:57] <jodh> thanks!
[18:03] <wagafo> y
[19:59] <bioterror> I can feel the electricity!
[20:00] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, are you on a chair? O_O
[20:00] <jmarsden|work> bioterror: That means you wired the powers supply incorrectly and put 220V to the keyboard :)
[20:00] <bioterror> jmarsden|work, 230! ;D
[20:01] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[20:01] <bioterror> so the ice has been broken, people seems to be ready for the meeting
[20:01] <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
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[20:01] <gilir> hi
[20:01] <MrChrisDruif> \o
[20:01] <Unit193> Coffee break.
[20:01] <jmarsden|work> o/
[20:01] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha gilir
[20:01] <Yorvyk> o/
[20:01] <MrChrisDruif> phillw!
[20:02] <amjjawad> Hi Everyone!
[20:02] <phillw> 0/
[20:02] <kanliot> o/
[20:02] <bioterror> o/
[20:02] <gilir> #topic gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting
[20:03] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, thanks for the calendar update :)
[20:03] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, you're welcome
[20:03] <MrChrisDruif> As we all know already I've finished my action
[20:03] <gilir> no other action item from previous meeting, let's start thsi one
[20:04] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, good, that's not always the case for me :p
[20:04] <gilir> #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
[20:04] <phillw> nice and sweet from me, kernel freeze goes in tomorrow. but it will be delayed by 24 hours owing to some issues on upgrades.
[20:05] <phillw> kanliot: will be the lubuntu rep at the weekly QA meetings while I'm away.
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:06] <phillw> the Beta 2's are rock solid, so we do not expect any breakages betwen now and release. but do keep your eyes peeled & please test
[20:06] <phillw> end of report.
[20:06] <gilir> thanks phillw
[20:07] <gilir> we are very close to final freeze, changes should be minimum at this point
[20:07] <gilir> #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from comms team
[20:07] <kanliot> mario has had the osuosl team put up a temporary website so we can update lubuntu.net
[20:07] <kanliot> a volunteer has completely translated the lubuntu.net website into french!!
[20:07] <kanliot> more progress with facebook.  Tons more users
[20:07] <kanliot> end of report
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> Q?
[20:08] <gilir> nice to have french translation :)
[20:08] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, yes ?
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> Is Facebook only viewed as an Communication channel or also as help channel?
[20:09] <kanliot> imho both
[20:09] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: amjjawad is best to answer that.
[20:09] <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; your view on this?
[20:09] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: both but I tend to use it MORE for comms than help
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> That is what I've been noticing, but that answers my question
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[20:10] <amjjawad> Facebook doesn't have the 'experinced needed users' for support and help while other channels have
[20:10] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: as you do, I try to answer an question with a link to our wiki area.
[20:11] <amjjawad> that is why it is BETTER to use it as a Comms Tool for Updates, News and some Tips :)
[20:11] <amjjawad> end of my humble personal opinion :D
[20:11] <kanliot> facebook is fantastic right now.  so much happy people and energy
[20:12] <amjjawad> add to that great feedback so far on the page. I'm reading amazing stories over there
[20:12] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, my question is answered. Shall we move on?
[20:12] <wxl> ok here now. prolly missed everything. :)
[20:12] <MrChrisDruif> wxl; Yes, you did ;-)
[20:12] <gilir> another question ?
[20:13] <MrChrisDruif> Not now gilir
[20:13] <gilir> ok, thanks kanliot
[20:13] <gilir> #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams
[20:13] <gilir> most of the fixes I had in mind are now in precise
[20:14] <amjjawad> gilir: you skipped me but that is fine
[20:14] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:14] <gilir> still a couple of fixes to upload tonight
[20:14] <gilir> amjjawad, arf sorry, didn't refresh the page :/
[20:14] <amjjawad> it is ok gilir carry one
[20:14] <amjjawad> on*
[20:14] <gilir> I'll go back to you after this one
[20:15] <amjjawad> gilir: take your time ;)
[20:15] <jmarsden|work> gilir: Do you see any chance something will happen about the install disk size check issue, and installing to 4GB SSDs?
[20:16] <gilir> after this week-end, we should almost ready for testing almost final images :)
[20:16] <Unit193> jmarsden|work: Does it not work with alt?
[20:16] <gilir> jmarsden|work, I don't think so :( we still need to advertise people to install with alternate
[20:16] <jmarsden|work> Unit193: Using alternate works, using live cd does not work.
[20:17] <amjjawad> jmarsden|work: r we talking about any drive with 4GB??
[20:17] <amjjawad> coz I did this today and it worked: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11817117&postcount=4
[20:17] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: Yes, but few working PCs ahve 4GB mechanical hard drives these days :)
[20:17] <amjjawad> I installed on 3.7GB from LiveUSB and it worked.
[20:18] <gilir> amjjawad, and it doesn't block ths installation on the size requirement page ?
[20:18] <amjjawad> gilir: never
[20:18] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: OK... then maybe something changed... that did not work previously.
[20:18] <amjjawad> it worked perfectly
[20:18] <wxl> do i hear we need others to test on <=4gb drives? i've got one
[20:18] <Yorvyk> How big swap did you have?
[20:18] <jmarsden|work> wxl: Sure, go for it.
[20:18] <amjjawad> I can do as much tests as u guys want
[20:18] <amjjawad> Yorvyk: me? it's is showen on here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11817117&postcount=4
[20:19] <amjjawad> Yorvyk: 303MB
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> Yorvyk; swap is advised but a dependency
[20:20] <amjjawad> I did sudo apt-get upgrade after that and installed lubuntu res extra and I sitll have 1.5GB Free Space!!!
[20:20] <phillw> gilir: I have been nagging the release team.... who knows, maybe it worked :)
[20:20] <gilir> I'll also test it on a vm, to double check this
[20:20] <amjjawad> gilir: do u need me to do more tests??
[20:20] <gilir> and for the record, swap is not mandatory if you don't want to use hibernate
[20:21] <amjjawad> +1 gilir
[20:21] <gilir> amjjawad, just the usual tests with the candidate images, but I'll do a mail about this later
[20:21] <Yorvyk> If th eother drive has swap space then it installs into >4GB OK
[20:22] <gilir> any other questions for dev report ?
[20:22] <gilir> #topic amjjawad - Weekly report - Update from Support Team
[20:23] <amjjawad> I'm looking forward to create a simple beginner guide about Lubuntu. For new comers mailny - that is a next project
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> That's support and not wiki/docs because...?
[20:23] <amjjawad> as for other support stuff, nothing special except one case I'm working on and if I need help, I know someone on the forum and he is the right one for that job coz it has to do with GRUB2 and an old machine
[20:24] <phillw> amjjawad: liase with MrChrisDruif, he's up next fior docs.
[20:24] <amjjawad> guys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:24] <amjjawad> phillw: and MrChrisDruif check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:24] <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; your point with that link is?
[20:24] <gilir> don't update the agenda so lately ;)
[20:24] <phillw> amjjawad: I do have it open :)
[20:25] <amjjawad> OMG
[20:25] <amjjawad> just keep me at the end and stop nagging :(
[20:25] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: please
[20:25] <amjjawad> go a head
[20:25] <phillw> gilir: +1, should be closed 24 hours before meeting
[20:26] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, my fault, we will go to doc/wiki just after this one
[20:26] <amjjawad> gilir: no, pass it on please!
[20:26]  * gilir skiped amjjawad point 
[20:26] <gilir> ...
[20:27] <phillw> gilir: #action me to make that clear on the Agenda page
[20:27] <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team
[20:27] <amjjawad> gilir: just ignore everything related to my edit - now excuse me, I must leave
[20:27] <amjjawad> you guys can carry on and if there is something urgent, I shall send an email. IRC is not my cup of tea and will never be, sorry gilir
[20:27] <phillw> o/
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> o7
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, but to subject
[20:28] <gilir> phillw, let's finish MrChrisDruif, I'll go back to you after
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> We had a new team member for maybe an hour for about an hour or so
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> It was "littlegirl" (IRC name) but right after I had spoken to her I had to go offline to get to bed
[20:30] <MrChrisDruif> After I left the conversation continued and it had a funny twist somewhere and she decided to leave again.
[20:30] <MrChrisDruif> I've send her an email tonight and hope she'll reply to that.
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> She came with the idea for my next item anyway.
[20:31] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, ok, we will discuss it after this point, anything to add ?
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> I've noticed that people started to translate the Lubuntu wiki to Spanish, but I've got to get some contact with those people so we are all on one line
[20:32] <wxl> MrChrisDruif: as i'm sure you've noticed they all seem to be on the facebook group
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> wxl; yup, but I'd like them to be in the launchpad group as well, so we can talk more easily and also show the "world" that I'm not doing this gig alone
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> I can't think of anything to add to this topic.
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> Q's?
[20:34] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: you will get used to phrase "like trying to herd cats"
[20:34] <gilir> thanks MrChrisDruif
[20:34] <phillw> o/
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; ?
[20:34] <gilir> go phillw
[20:35] <phillw> I'd like to let the 'team' know that I had a a chat about MrChrisDruif becoming an wiki admin person.
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> Ah right, didn't think about that
[20:36] <phillw> it went well, and I am confident that Lubuntu will have 2 wiki admins out of a total of 13 :)
[20:36] <phillw> end of report.
[20:36] <gilir> that would be cool :)
[20:37] <phillw> gilir: just part of the master plan for lubuntu to take over the world :D
[20:37] <kanliot> don't talk about that here
[20:37] <gilir> phillw, it's a secret ;)
[20:37] <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Offline documentation, wanted?
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, littlegirl suggested this one actually
[20:38] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, let's introduce your topic, I'll add my point after :)
[20:39] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, is it a copy of the wiki documentation available offline, or another documentation source ?
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Offline documentation is something for people who want to install Lubuntu on computers without internet connection
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Use-case: If I'd install Lubuntu on one of my grandparents computer e.g.
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> They would just "use" it without trying to install new software
[20:41] <bioterror> would that offline documentation be localized? how about images?
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> But if they have questions that aren't answered by the man-pages (if I could even explain to them how to get there) then this would come in handy
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> To add to that are man-pages pretty technical most of the time
[20:42] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; I don't know what you mean with images, but that offline documentation should be localized ideally
[20:42] <MrChrisDruif> The current kubuntu-docs was about 45MB if I remember correctly what littlegirl mentioned
[20:43] <wxl> MrChrisDruif: i think if i understand bioterror he means that traditionally localized documentation would be in the form of man pages which are pretty much incompatible with images and a lot of formatting that is to be expected with wiki pages
[20:43] <phillw> gilir: could 45MB be squeezed on?
[20:44] <gilir> phillw, space is not a problem on our CD
[20:44] <wxl> the only way i could see getting around that would be using html
[20:44] <wxl> somehow it would have to be integrated in such a way that it would be clear how to get help
[20:44] <MrChrisDruif> Not for this release of course, but this item on the gauge interest in this
[20:44] <gilir> my main concern is to maintain another source of documentation, disconnected from the wiki
[20:44] <Myrtti> bioterror: in practice that is for the local respins/remixes to do and include on the installation media, it could be packaged as a lubuntu-documentation-<ISO language code> whatever in the repos for downloading and the documentation included with the CD in the other flavours has AFAIK been HTML
[20:44] <wxl> a .desktop under System Tools perhaps
[20:44] <phillw> wxl: Mac comes with 'view internal help'. Love them or hate them, having that facility there is a plus.
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> After that I'll have to look into how to make it happen
[20:45] <Myrtti> although my memories on the subject go back to 2006
[20:45] <wxl> and then how to syn?
[20:45] <wxl> sync i mean
[20:45] <wxl> i guess the only way for that to happen is it would have to be a package
[20:45] <kanliot> well IMHO, right now we have 0 offline documentation.  We could start with a little documentation.  like a few pages.  Can we make that happen?
[20:45] <bioterror> Myrtti, if I remember right finns has own spin? I think I'll check it one day ;)
[20:45] <Myrtti> yup
[20:45] <wxl> and on the back end someone would have to maintain the package, i.e. turn the raw wiki pages into a package for distribution
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> kanliot; I think so, maybe not for this release but just accumulate over time
[20:46] <wxl> i love this idea, don't get me wrong, but it's not just a simple easy thing to do i don't think
[20:46] <Myrtti> sounds like a job for LaTeX/other similar markup language
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> wxl; I'm not say it'll be easy, but this item is just to gauge interest
[20:46] <Myrtti> I've forgotten their names
[20:47] <MrChrisDruif> After that I'd have to look into how to make it happen
[20:47] <kanliot> can we agree to make the docs, not specific to any distribution, so we don't have to update it for each version?
[20:47] <phillw> wxl: in the past few months, we have been quietly getting all support to wiki. Exporting wiki to CD is not a major problem :)
[20:47] <wxl> MrChrisDruif: well sometimes interest is not sufficient :D the docs team is not composed of package maintainers (tho i'd be happy to take on the task!)
[20:47] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, the interest is real for everyone, just need a good way to do / maintain it
[20:47] <wxl> i hear many users in #lubuntu asking for help with this or that due to the lack of an internet connection
[20:48] <wxl> think of what a pain it must be for them to get online to ask!
[20:48] <wxl> and then imagine all the other folks that don't have that other option…
[20:48] <phillw> wxl: We can export our wiki area.
[20:48] <MrChrisDruif> Al right, I'll get in touch with kubuntu with how they do things. Hopefully they can teach us how to do it
[20:49] <phillw> I do not mean it is an easy task, but it is do-able.
[20:49] <kanliot> i don't like this project.  it's too vague
[20:50] <wxl> kanliot: ?
[20:50] <phillw> kanliot: talk to me later :)
[20:50] <gilir> #action MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily
[20:50] <meetingology> ACTION: MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks gilir, I just *love* ACTIONS ^_^
[20:50] <gilir> ;)
[20:51] <gilir> let's see how technicaly it's do-able, we will discuss it after :)
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> Agreed
[20:51] <gilir> #topic Any Other Business
[20:51] <phillw> gilir: can you #action me to update the Agenda page to state 24 hours notice is required... else I will forget!]
[20:52] <gilir> #action phillw to update the agenda page about updates
[20:52] <meetingology> ACTION: phillw to update the agenda page about updates
[20:52] <gilir> thanks for the reminder :)
[20:52] <MrChrisDruif> I think Ali needs to learn that teams can make their own guidelines
[20:52] <phillw> thnx :)
[20:52] <MrChrisDruif> Just as a note on one of his suggestions
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> No Other Business from me
[20:53] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: he is still a rough diamond, as is kanliot. Both have caused me to have 'discussions'.
[20:53] <gilir> ok, let's end this meeting then
[20:53] <kanliot> ya
[20:53] <Myrtti> IRC team?
[20:53] <gilir> Myrtti, Unit193 told me there was nothing to report
[20:54] <Myrtti> right
[20:54] <phillw> Myrtti: Unit193 had nothing to report, unless you do?
[20:54] <gilir> you want to add something ?
[20:54] <Unit193> Silverlion resigned.
[20:54] <Unit193> thanks, Myrtti.
[20:55] <Myrtti> np
[20:55] <gilir> ok, thanks for the info
[20:55] <gilir> #endmeeting
[20:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr  4 20:55:56 2012 UTC.
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[21:19] <Riddell> MrChrisDruif: hmm?
[21:19] <MrChrisDruif> Riddell; ?
[21:20] <Riddell> my kubuntu highlight pinged
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, awesome
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> You are on #kubuntu or somewhere else we can talk "offtopic" concerning kubuntu offline documentation?
[21:21] <MrChrisDruif> Riddell; ^
[21:22] <Riddell> MrChrisDruif: #kubuntu-devel