| snap-l | Any thoughts on the Samsung Galaxy S II? | 01:05 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | Yes, I am thinking about going with Ting for a wireless provider | 01:05 |
| rick_h | snap-l: good phone | 01:06 |
| snap-l | Worth $415? | 01:07 |
| rick_h | ouch, a little bit high, but I guess you're buying raw unsub'd hardware and it's probably going rate | 01:25 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's month-to-month | 01:27 |
| snap-l | not unlocked, afaict, though | 01:27 |
| snap-l | but not having a contract is appealing | 01:27 |
| rick_h | yea | 01:27 |
| rick_h | I guess just split out the cost over the estimated time and make sure you count it | 01:27 |
| snap-l | Yeah, | 01:28 |
| greg-g | snap-l: ting looks really interesting | 01:54 |
| greg-g | snap-l: I have VirginMobile with a kind of crappy old android. but the price is about the same. I think I would save ~$3/mo on Ting vs VM with my usage (but probably have to buy a new phone) | 01:55 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I decided to roll with it | 01:56 |
| snap-l | worst case, it'll suck, but it's an improvement over what I have now | 01:57 |
| snap-l | which is bullshit | 01:57 |
| * greg-g nods | 01:57 | |
| greg-g | good deal then | 01:57 |
| greg-g | * > bullshit | 01:57 |
| snap-l | Anyone want a broken TI-89? | 02:01 |
| snap-l | Guaranteed to be good for parts. | 02:01 |
| snap-l | send me your address (craig@decafbad.net) and I'll ship it to you. | 02:01 |
| snap-l | tired of moving it around on my desk | 02:01 |
| greg-g | I MISS MY OLD TI-89! | 02:04 |
| snap-l | greg-g: It's yours if you want a project | 02:07 |
| snap-l | guaranteed not to work | 02:07 |
| snap-l | I don't know what is wrong with it, but if you want to take a chance on it, I'm willing to foot the bill | 02:08 |
| greg-g | no thanks, I have a (I think) working one somewhere :) | 02:08 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Have two | 02:08 |
| snap-l | I already know the address, what's the zip? :) | 02:09 |
| greg-g | hah | 02:17 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 10:38 |
| snap-l | I am now up to 17% of my bandwidth used for the month. :) | 10:38 |
| rick_h | morning | 10:39 |
| rick_h | ouch on the 17% | 10:43 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yeah, I think I'm going to need to find an alternative location for these files | 10:55 |
| snap-l | or pop for more bandwidth | 10:55 |
| snap-l | but it's a nice problem to have. | 10:56 |
| snap-l | 378 downloads of the latest episode | 10:56 |
| snap-l | (that's not including iphone downloads, which do some strange chunk downloading | 10:57 |
| snap-l | Ah, it does partial downloading | 11:14 |
| rick_h | yea, I noticed that when I checked my s3 logs, lots of partials so it hits a ton of times | 11:15 |
| rick_h | well, I'll say the s3 thing works great for lococast, costs < $7/mo I think and that includes my own storage I put up there | 11:16 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that's something I'm considering | 11:16 |
| snap-l | also archive.org, since it's CC metal. | 11:16 |
| rick_h | ah, cool | 11:17 |
| brousch | snap-l: wrt your OMC downloads, i have noticed that your files are about 3x larger/minute compared to other podcasts. | 11:31 |
| snap-l | That's because I encode VBR | 11:32 |
| snap-l | and quality 0 | 11:32 |
| snap-l | and yes, that's probably overkill | 11:32 |
| brousch | so you could save some bandwidth there | 11:33 |
| snap-l | I'm going to play with the settings a bit to see if I can get those sizes down | 11:33 |
| snap-l | and not lose quality. | 11:33 |
| brousch | actually i'd be happy to put some files on my dreamhost if you'd like | 11:33 |
| brousch | "unlimited" storage and bandwidth | 11:34 |
| snap-l | brousch: Thank you. I think I'll be fine | 12:02 |
| snap-l | I can add more bandwidth if necessary | 12:03 |
| snap-l | Just a nice problem to have. :) | 12:03 |
| brousch | is it bots or people? | 12:04 |
| snap-l | direct downloads | 12:05 |
| snap-l | from people | 12:05 |
| snap-l | the bot problem was something else entirely | 12:05 |
| brousch | that is nice | 12:05 |
| snap-l | http://www.metalinjection.net/podcasts | 12:06 |
| brousch | oh yeah, baby | 12:07 |
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| === lotia is now known as lotia-away | ||
| brousch | Vimmers, check out TerminalIDE in this article http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australia/programming-for-android-on-android/854 | 12:36 |
| rick_h | heh, cool | 12:39 |
| rick_h | but can it run my .vimrc?! | 12:39 |
| brousch | i don't know | 12:40 |
| snap-l | rick_h: I think there are cray machines that might have trouble with your .vimrc | 12:41 |
| brousch | snap-l: you would ban me from OMC if i told you the music i was currently listening to and enjoying | 12:44 |
| snap-l | brousch: I probably would ask for a copy. | 12:44 |
| * snap-l is a music omnivore | 12:45 | |
| brousch | http://www.amazon.com/Crazy-Frog-Presents-Hits/dp/B000ALZHIO | 12:45 |
| brousch | http://www.amazon.com/More-Crazy-Hits-Frog/dp/B000GBEW8E | 12:45 |
| snap-l | You're right. What's the IP range for GR? | 12:45 |
| snap-l | ;) | 12:45 |
| brousch | a few of those are good remixes | 12:46 |
| brousch | check out rock steady on the second one | 12:47 |
| brousch | axel F and pump up the jam on the first | 12:47 |
| rick_h | I find this idea of "is a programming language reliable" a bit facinating http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/25811/is-the-r-language-reliable-for-the-field-of-economics | 12:52 |
| snap-l | Gee, the community can dictate whether a language is crap or not | 12:54 |
| snap-l | I think we saw that with PHP. ;) | 12:54 |
| rick_h | can't? | 12:54 |
| rick_h | /can/can't ... we saw that with php? | 12:55 |
| snap-l | I mean that PH may or may not be a fine language, but the community it created gives it the reputation of being VB programmers on steroids. | 12:55 |
| snap-l | (responding to the selected answer) | 12:57 |
| jrwren | reliable is a good question. | 13:21 |
| jrwren | that idiot stats prof is no different than the idiot compsci prof that thinks solaris is better than linux. | 13:21 |
| rick_h | I don't know, I keep thinking that a programming language is the very definition of reliable | 13:22 |
| rick_h | you give it precise steps, and test that same input == same output | 13:22 |
| rick_h | how can a lanuage possibly not be reliable. | 13:22 |
| rick_h | now your implementation I can get, but the way that is phrased as "Is programming language X reliable?" is batty | 13:23 |
| jrwren | but how easy is it to give it those precise steps. | 13:25 |
| jrwren | e.g. the sorting bug in java that existed for 10+ yrs because of 32bit math limits | 13:25 |
| jrwren | ah. | 13:26 |
| jrwren | well, i agree with you. | 13:26 |
| jrwren | his phrasing was NOT that of a computer scientist. | 13:26 |
| jrwren | a good computer scientist would never phrase things that way | 13:26 |
| rick_h | true I guess | 13:26 |
| rick_h | anyway, funny start of the day | 13:26 |
| krondor | rick_h: only seeing part of this convo, there's bugs in the languages where your output can't result from your input, but that's pedantic. | 13:27 |
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| rick_h | yea, but if you think about something that's 'reliable' just seems a programming language is about as reliable as something can be. | 13:28 |
| rick_h | 778530 | 13:29 |
| jrwren | until you find ambiguities in the language spec | 13:30 |
| jrwren | lookup C or C++ undefined behavior :) | 13:30 |
| jrwren | but even that undefined behavior is VERY reliable | 13:30 |
| snap-l | Well, calling something a programming language doesn't suddenly imbue it with reliability | 13:34 |
| snap-l | We just happen to use languages that have bugs that get fixed. ;) | 13:34 |
| brousch | rick_h: what is 778530? | 13:35 |
| jrwren | just not linux distros. I'm looking at you launchpad bug #1 | 13:36 |
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| snap-l | brousch: That's his key getting hit | 13:39 |
| snap-l | youbikey, iirc | 13:39 |
| snap-l | (sp) | 13:39 |
| rick_h | brousch: it's this damn yibikey | 13:39 |
| brousch | wtf is a yibikey? | 13:40 |
| rick_h | I can't even get it to work right with work's 2-facator auth | 13:40 |
| rick_h | it's supposed to make my 2-factor auth easy peasy | 13:40 |
| snap-l | The furry version of a yubikey. | 13:40 |
| rick_h | little thing that sits in my usb port and whenever 2-factor asks for a number I press it with my finger and it dumps a number out | 13:40 |
| jrwren | java steals from python http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6804124 | 13:40 |
| rick_h | unfortunately I keep bumping it | 13:40 |
| jrwren | who does the 2 factor? use duosec! :) | 13:41 |
| rick_h | we're starting to use 2-factor | 13:41 |
| jrwren | from RSA? | 13:41 |
| rick_h | thankfully the phone part works fine | 13:41 |
| brousch | so if i collect enough of them along with timestamps i can crack your encryption? | 13:41 |
| rick_h | brousch: well you'd still need my password/username | 13:41 |
| rick_h | jrwren: python ftw! | 13:42 |
| rick_h | bah, and damn hangouts for not using my bluetooth headset | 13:42 |
| rick_h | tech is letting me down today | 13:42 |
| rick_h | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/124855-maas-effect-canonical-to-lighten-the-load-for-provisioning-bare-metal-clusters | 13:43 |
| krondor | the rsa app is a pain on android, I wish I could just use google authenticator everywhere, it works really well, IMO. | 13:43 |
| rick_h | yea, I get to use Google authenticator | 13:44 |
| jrwren | bookie is blank? | 13:44 |
| rick_h | but wish this yubikey | 13:44 |
| rick_h | jrwren: on chrome 19? | 13:44 |
| jrwren | aurora | 13:44 |
| rick_h | ok cool, you can dupe it too then. Yes | 13:45 |
| jrwren | and chrome 19 :) | 13:45 |
| jrwren | those are my 2 browsers | 13:45 |
| rick_h | the ajax call goes out and comes back, but fails to load for some reason. Only gotten it on chrome 19 and FF nightly | 13:45 |
| rick_h | same here | 13:45 |
| brousch | works for me! | 13:45 |
| rick_h | but on my other desktop I have chrome 18 and FF not nightly | 13:45 |
| rick_h | and that works | 13:45 |
| rick_h | so ti's definitely something changed in the new browsers, but don't know what it is | 13:45 |
| rick_h | it's on my todo list for tonight at CHC | 13:46 |
| jrwren | whoa, nasty bug. I turn on firebug, hit reload and it works. | 13:46 |
| rick_h | because it works in dev mode, so think it's something with the production/nginx setup, probably the redirect | 13:46 |
| rick_h | jrwren: hmm, doesn't here with firebug open | 13:46 |
| jrwren | it just started working for m.e | 13:48 |
| rick_h | what?! I've not gotten it to work at all | 13:48 |
| rick_h | in FF? | 13:48 |
| rick_h | or both FF and chrome? | 13:48 |
| jrwren | just FF | 13:49 |
| rick_h | hmm, let me update today I guess | 13:50 |
| jrwren | i think i'm 13a | 13:50 |
| jrwren | whatever aurora was yesterday :) | 13:50 |
| rick_h | oh hmm, 14.0a1 here | 13:51 |
| jrwren | lemme double check | 13:52 |
| jrwren | 13.0a2 | 13:52 |
| jrwren | hehe, update waiting | 13:52 |
| rick_h | well anyway, yes there's some browser bug in the dev versions of both FF and chrome that's broken the result loading in bookie and I don't have a fix yet :/ | 13:54 |
| rick_h | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1103 woot, what some LP folks have been working on is now public | 13:54 |
| rick_h | jrwren: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?can=2&q=121707&colspec=ID%20Pri%20Mstone%20ReleaseBlock%20Area%20Feature%20Status%20Owner%20Summary&id=121707 looks likely | 13:56 |
| rick_h | looks like it was fixed yesterday so hopefully next version of dev chrome will have the fix maybe | 13:58 |
| rick_h | https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82964 | 13:58 |
| jrwren | metal as a service. I don't get it. | 14:11 |
| jrwren | wait. | 14:12 |
| jrwren | i get it. | 14:12 |
| jrwren | its like ec2 provisioning, but not on a VM, on bare metal. | 14:13 |
| jrwren | holy crap that is awesome. | 14:13 |
| rick_h | right | 14:13 |
| rick_h | because something has to get the racks ready to go | 14:13 |
| rick_h | not everything can run in VM and even if you do run VMs you need to get the bare metal ready to run VMs | 14:13 |
| jrwren | i hate VMs, so :) | 14:13 |
| jjesse | automatic bare metal builds have been happening for a long time | 14:14 |
| jrwren | yes, but not very well | 14:14 |
| jjesse | i've been helping customers w/ them for 6+ years | 14:14 |
| jjesse | Dell and HP make great tools | 14:14 |
| jrwren | not open source :p | 14:15 |
| rick_h | right, but this is on the ubuntu server disk | 14:15 |
| jjesse | so if i buy a dell server i have access to their tools which doesn't care about the OS | 14:15 |
| jrwren | orly? | 14:15 |
| jrwren | i've been out of this line of work for 8yrs. how does this work? | 14:15 |
| jrwren | i pxe boot my dell server, then what? | 14:16 |
| jjesse | so i can provision the server, configure the DRAC, configure the RAID, build the OS via a scripted OS (windows) kickstart (RHEL) or others | 14:16 |
| jrwren | oh DRAC, doesn't that server hardware start at like $5000? | 14:16 |
| jjesse | DRAC isn't always needed | 14:16 |
| jrwren | mark's post seemed to be talking about $1k 1U type systems. | 14:16 |
| rick_h | yea, it's about cheap mass hardware, especially as ARM servers come around | 14:17 |
| jjesse | haven't gotten to mark's post yet, but this is totally doable | 14:17 |
| jjesse | i bare metal build PCs all day long | 14:17 |
| jjesse | and bare metal servers | 14:17 |
| jrwren | yes, its doable | 14:17 |
| jrwren | but how easy is it. | 14:17 |
| jjesse | piece of cake | 14:17 |
| jrwren | can i deploy an AMI to one? | 14:17 |
| rick_h | jjesse: right, but you provision them in racks from a webui control ui in another room? | 14:17 |
| jjesse | i can | 14:17 |
| rick_h | and tie it to juju so you can start installs/setups of tasks and such | 14:17 |
| rick_h | that's the idea at least | 14:18 |
| jjesse | ok so you are tied to Ubuntu only on the process | 14:18 |
| rick_h | not tried it out myself as I don't have a rack of hardware to use it against | 14:18 |
| jjesse | why not build it platform and OS indepdent | 14:18 |
| rick_h | jjesse: yes, the idea is you're using ubuntu servers to bootstrap your racks | 14:18 |
| jrwren | i'm less interested in ubuntu and more interested in AMI on bare metal :) | 14:18 |
| snap-l | good news at Yahoo: Finding a parking spot should be a lot easier. | 14:19 |
| rick_h | lol | 14:19 |
| jjesse | rick_h, but will the build be Ubuntu only or can I build a Windows Server or RHEL server off the process? | 14:21 |
| rick_h | jjesse: I think it only speaks ubuntu right now. Like I said, not used it myself. Another LP team has been dev'ing it. | 14:21 |
| jrwren | so maybe it is just a super fancy kickstart | 14:22 |
| rick_h | The thing though is that you're doing things like provisioning things like hadoop clusters, it's on ubuntu server | 14:22 |
| jjesse | so that's my biggest issue w/ all these tools they are Ubuntu only specific as far as i can tell and need to become more OS indepdent | 14:22 |
| jjesse | to get greator footprint | 14:22 |
| jrwren | they are all open source. | 14:22 |
| jrwren | other distros just need to adopt | 14:22 |
| rick_h | jcastro_ can probably tell you more since he's Mr Cloud | 14:23 |
| jrwren | looks like it was announced a while ago: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2012-January/006041.html | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Mr. Cloud. Mr. Cloud. That name again is Mr. Cloud. | 14:24 |
| jcastro | Hi2U! | 14:24 |
| rick_h | jrwren: well it's been quietly in dev. It's been cranking to get done/ready for 12.04 since it'll be on CD | 14:24 |
| rick_h | jcastro_: jjesse wants MAAS to bootstrap RHEL for him...tell him to sshhhhhh :P | 14:25 |
| jcastro | jrwren, right so when you type in "juju deploy mysql" instead of ec2 instances a server gets turned on in your datacenter and does all that kind of stuff | 14:25 |
| jrwren | i want it to boostrap windows | 14:25 |
| rick_h | double sssshhhhh | 14:25 |
| jrwren | nad sql server | 14:25 |
| jrwren | and iis | 14:25 |
| jcastro | http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/ | 14:25 |
| jcastro | there you go dude | 14:25 |
| jjesse | jrwren, that would be great if it did that | 14:25 |
| jrwren | and oracle database | 14:25 |
| jjesse | i'm serious | 14:25 |
| jrwren | i'm serious too. | 14:26 |
| jrwren | if you want to suceed those are the features needed | 14:26 |
| rick_h | right, but you don't startup/shutdown those things on a weekly basis? The idea is to take up/down frequently and manage that | 14:26 |
| rick_h | it's not something you run once | 14:26 |
| jcastro | I am misunderstanding what you guys want | 14:28 |
| rick_h | man, nothing as depressing as reading the yahoo job cut annoucement, just "we're firing a ton of people and expect to save some cash, the end" | 14:28 |
| jcastro | this isn't traditional provisioning, this is cloud-type stuff | 14:28 |
| jrwren | i think we just misunderstood what maas was. | 14:28 |
| jrwren | lol @ cloud-type stuff | 14:28 |
| rick_h | jcastro_: they want kickstart stuff | 14:28 |
| jcastro | oh, well you have that already don't you? | 14:29 |
| snap-l | rick_h: You can read it as "throwing off weight so we don't burn up quite as bad on re-entry" | 14:29 |
| rick_h | snap-l: lol | 14:29 |
| jrwren | zookeeper, orchestera, i need a glossary | 14:30 |
| rick_h | jrwren: I'm with you on that part | 14:30 |
| jcastro | you don't care about zookeeper directly | 14:30 |
| snap-l | I eagerly await lion tamer, railway-station, and dominatrix | 14:30 |
| jcastro | it's just the thing juju uses to keep things synced | 14:30 |
| jcastro | and orchestra is basically now MaaS | 14:30 |
| snap-l | This is almost as bad as naming your servers after silent film comedy troupes | 14:31 |
| jrwren | integrates with cobbler too. | 14:31 |
| jjesse | i just want a product that can build bare metal no matter what OS | 14:31 |
| jrwren | or does it replace cobbler? | 14:31 |
| snap-l | What happens when hardy gets decommissioned. | 14:31 |
| jjesse | and i can get that from the server vendors | 14:31 |
| snap-l | or laurel. | 14:31 |
| jrwren | jjesse: this is not really JUST bare metal build though, this does EVERYTHING post bare metal too. so that in the end your services are all up. | 14:32 |
| jjesse | a lot of this stuff you can do already, especially the MS stuff + powershell | 14:32 |
| jjesse | i can do a bare metal build of an exchange server + install exchange if i want to | 14:33 |
| jrwren | i've not seen it in MS lang. | 14:33 |
| jjesse | for example | 14:33 |
| snap-l | jjesse: You could do some of this stuff with kickstart + chef too | 14:33 |
| jjesse | agreee | 14:33 |
| jrwren | well dam, you are bad ass | 14:33 |
| jjesse | jrwren, it would take me a bit but MS has spent a ton of time on configuring things w/ PowerShell | 14:33 |
| snap-l | or puppet, or any remote SSH tool, as long as you have the keys on the remote system. | 14:33 |
| jrwren | you can get $$$ doing exchange deploys | 14:33 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Why do you think they ship jjesse all over the place. | 14:34 |
| snap-l | jjesse = serious badass. | 14:34 |
| jrwren | i don't really know the guy. | 14:34 |
| snap-l | He contributes to the Ubuntu Book. | 14:34 |
| jjesse | while they are not OS there are a ton of tools that are built to do these bare metal deployments | 14:34 |
| jrwren | but the point is not "anyone can do that" the point is that maas is already done it for you | 14:35 |
| jjesse | and a lot of work has been done on the Windows side by MS | 14:35 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0132435942 | 14:35 |
| jjesse | here's my frustration is that it seems there si too much "not invented by us" going on instead of working w/ established tools/vendors | 14:35 |
| jrwren | kinda sounds like it takes cobbler to the next level | 14:36 |
| jcastro | yeah basically | 14:36 |
| snap-l | jjesse: Because it's easier to sell a package than a toolkit | 14:36 |
| jjesse | snap-l, i understand but imagine how much wider Ubuntu would be used if it integrate w/ the existing system management vendors instead of focusing on their own product (landscape) | 14:38 |
| jrwren | maybe. | 14:38 |
| snap-l | jjesse: No argument here, but we've seen how rapidly things change | 14:38 |
| jrwren | but a lot of us use nothing righ tnow | 14:38 |
| snap-l | integrating something, and having it change then causes as much headache | 14:39 |
| jrwren | and don't even know about existing things. | 14:39 |
| snap-l | Most of my work at SF.net was in writing scripts to make things happen for our home-built deployment system. | 14:39 |
| snap-l | We used something like puppet in the past, but it wasn't what we were looking fo | 14:40 |
| snap-l | r | 14:40 |
| snap-l | I can only imagine how much more painful that might have been with a vendor-provided solution | 14:40 |
| jrwren | why the virsh stuff? I thought this was bare metal. https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/maas/trunk/view/head:/docs/juju-quick-start.rst | 14:41 |
| jrwren | did they reuse the virsh API for managing bare servers? | 14:41 |
| rick_h | snap-l: ok, here you go http://alestic.com/2012/04/aws-s3-torrent | 14:45 |
| rick_h | snap-l: OMC episodes torrentable from s3 seeds, that's sweet | 14:45 |
| jrwren | whoa? | 14:46 |
| jrwren | holy crap. | 14:47 |
| jrwren | s3 just supports torrent seeding like that. | 14:48 |
| jrwren | that is awesome. | 14:48 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Oh, nice. :) | 14:54 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, not perfect but kind of a neat idae | 14:56 |
| rick_h | idea that is | 14:56 |
| krondor | argh meetings when I want in on this cloud convo :) back in a bit | 14:59 |
| snap-l | Apparently I got in to Ting at the right time. Samsung Galaxy S II is now $500 list | 15:55 |
| snap-l | last night it was $465. | 15:56 |
| rick_h | snap-l: cool?} | 16:05 |
| snap-l | yeah, cool | 16:06 |
| snap-l | I ordered it last night | 16:06 |
| rick_h | ah ok, didn't realize you had ordered | 16:06 |
| greg-g | snap-l: you're the reason the demand went up, thus the price | 16:07 |
| greg-g | jerk | 16:07 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Heh | 16:07 |
| snap-l | That and I used the TWIG code | 16:07 |
| snap-l | Of course now I have to wait a while for the phone to show up | 16:09 |
| krondor | jjesse: juju deploy mysql && juju deploy moodle && juju add-relation mysql moodle && juju expose moodle, that's the hard part about just kickstart + vendor build tools.. how do you provision services on things that easy. | 16:16 |
| krondor | that's also the part that is hard to write distro/os agnostic (the service build scripts) | 16:17 |
| * krondor late to the discussion and oversimplifying (config.yaml directives missing) | 16:19 | |
| greg-g | who wants to build their own linux distro... as a game? http://lunduke.com/?page_id=2646 | 16:20 |
| snap-l | Saw that | 16:21 |
| krondor | I thought that's what I was doing when I did LFS and Gentoo | 16:21 |
| snap-l | It looks... um... not that great. :) | 16:21 |
| jjesse | krondor, i understand the beauty of juju however building a bare metal is not brand new | 16:23 |
| jjesse | there are other tools that could be used or the engineer time could be spent improving those | 16:23 |
| jjesse | but yet there is the we need to invent it ourself | 16:23 |
| krondor | jjesse: no but when I see maas I don't think it's just the OS build, I think it's the adding it to the pool for service deploy piece | 16:24 |
| jjesse | i understand the add service point of view but from my understanding its starting from bare metal and building theservices | 16:25 |
| jjesse | you could tie existing bare metal build tools + juju on top of it | 16:25 |
| krondor | yeah I can see that, it is very ubuntu-ey and probably not approachable by other distros | 16:27 |
| jjesse | just like Landscape or other products | 16:27 |
| jjesse | from a systems management point of view | 16:27 |
| krondor | even the service piece might be surmountable if you can abstract things far enough (package_install apache2 versus yum/apt/zypper/msiexec) | 16:27 |
| krondor | I'm just excited to see the charms deployable without needing all of openstack or costs for ec2 | 16:28 |
| jjesse | i agree thats way cool | 16:29 |
| jjesse | however i'm a bit disappointed that yet again it seems a very ubuntu specific item and not necessarily something other OSes could/would use | 16:29 |
| rick_h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9c6W4CCU9M4http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9c6W4CCU9M4 | 16:46 |
| snap-l | jjesse: I'm sure Canonical would be thrilled if others followed their pied piper. | 16:46 |
| rick_h | let the raving begin | 16:46 |
| snap-l | I would totally love augmented reality | 16:47 |
| jjesse | snap-l, instead of working w/ pied pipers that might exist already? | 16:49 |
| snap-l | jjesse: Part of developer hubris is that you are the best pied piper out there. :) | 16:59 |
| _stink_ | mmm pie. | 18:10 |
| rick_h | ala-mode! | 18:11 |
| greg-g | pie? PIE?! where?! | 18:13 |
| * waldo323 gives greg-g some pi | 18:16 | |
| greg-g | how much of it? | 18:19 |
| snap-l | as many significant digits as you can handle | 18:20 |
| greg-g | ALL OF THEM! | 18:23 |
| greg-g | (the only request you can't comply with) | 18:24 |
| brousch | sure he can. it's just gonna take a while | 18:25 |
| brousch | like, the rest of your life | 18:25 |
| greg-g | nope, it would be even longer than that | 18:26 |
| greg-g | though, I guess, that's all i can handle.... | 18:26 |
| brousch | well that's your fault | 18:27 |
| rick_h | 634354 | 18:28 |
| greg-g | so, rick_h , you've been doing this every now and then, sending 6 digit numbers to the channel, are you messing up with your LP Bug number pasting? | 18:29 |
| brousch | greg-g: he covered it earlier ;) | 18:29 |
| greg-g | oh | 18:29 |
| greg-g | dangit | 18:29 |
| greg-g | where? | 18:29 |
| rick_h | so I've realized I end up placing my finger on the side of my laptop sometimes | 18:29 |
| brousch | 9:35am MI time | 18:30 |
| rick_h | greg-g: have this yubikey usb thing that you touch for 2-factor auth for work | 18:30 |
| greg-g | ahhh | 18:30 |
| rick_h | so I keep bumping it and it dumps those numbers out as if I'm trying to log into something | 18:30 |
| rick_h | tried all three usb ports on the laptop, but keep bumping it on accident | 18:30 |
| brousch | i'm collecting them to hack his system | 18:30 |
| greg-g | brousch: good call | 18:30 |
| rick_h | yea, brousch wants to take over all my bugs | 18:30 |
| rick_h | I tried to just give them to him, but he'd prefer I get credit when he hacks my account and fixes them all | 18:31 |
| brousch | i'll just mark them all as WON'T FIX | 18:31 |
| rick_h | works for me | 18:32 |
| rick_h | 559014 | 21:59 |
| greg-g | :) | 22:00 |
| rick_h | bah, see I pick up the laptop and bump it. oh well | 22:01 |
| greg-g | for you task management geeks out there (*cough* snap-l *cough*): http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/10/26.html | 22:40 |
| rick_h | going old school? 2007? | 22:40 |
| greg-g | taskwarrior is going to implement tools so you can do that stuff | 22:40 |
| greg-g | rick_h: it was just the url that the lead dev of taskwarrior sent in channel | 22:40 |
| rick_h | ah, gotcha | 22:41 |
| === greg_g is now known as greg-g | ||
| greg-g | anyone have a Thinkpad x200s compat battery they want to sell me that isn't crap? | 23:54 |
| greg-g | this one (9 cell) is getting like 2 hours :( | 23:54 |
| rick_h | sorry, <3 my 9cell x200 battery | 23:55 |
| rick_h | watch the outlet, that's where I get mine and usually around $40 vs the super $$ | 23:55 |
| rick_h | nothing on there currently for xseries | 23:55 |
| greg-g | yeah, from Lenovo its like $150 | 23:55 |
| rick_h | yea, I've gotten my last 3 spare batteries by watching the outlet nad MUCH cheaper | 23:56 |
| rick_h | and they've all been good | 23:56 |
| * greg-g nods | 23:56 | |
| greg-g | well, don't get the next one, leave it for me! ;) | 23:56 |
| rick_h | heh | 23:57 |
| greg-g | whoa, neat, the app tabs in Fx 13 scale smaller as needed | 23:58 |
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