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| knome | are we forcing people to install xubuntu-desktop on upgrade? | 10:21 |
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| knome | i'm asking because i've removed abiword from my installation, but it seems to want to install it on upgrade | 10:24 |
| astraljava1 | knome: Could you repeat the question? It seems my connection to the freenode servers was down for a bit, so I've lost some of the backlog. | 10:27 |
| === astraljava1 is now known as astraljava | ||
| knome | 13:21 knome: are we forcing people to install xubuntu-desktop on upgrade? | 10:27 |
| knome | astraljava, did you get it this time? :P | 10:27 |
| astraljava | knome: I did, yeah. I dunno, really. These new release-upgrade thingies are beyond me, to be honest. Back in the day, when you used just apt-get dist-upgrade, it wouldn't add it if you didn't have it at the time. | 10:28 |
| knome | yeah. | 10:29 |
| knome | is there a way to force dist-upgrade to go to a devel release? | 10:29 |
| astraljava | knome: `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` | 10:30 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 10:30 |
| knome | thanks | 10:30 |
| knome | let's see it that proposes me x-d/abiword | 10:30 |
| knome | *if | 10:30 |
| knome | no, that pulls them in too | 10:31 |
| astraljava | Yeah. | 10:32 |
| knome | :( | 10:32 |
| knome | i wonder if this is because some rdepends or stuff | 10:32 |
| knome | mr_pouit, ^^ | 10:32 |
| astraljava | ochosi: The other standard volume-related keypresses don't work either. I'll debug further today, at some point. | 11:25 |
| astraljava | Hmm... bug #973262 seems weird. | 11:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 973262 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Two accessories icons in Xubuntu 12.04 Main Menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973262 | 11:29 |
| astraljava | I don't even understand how gnome-menus gets pulled in. | 11:33 |
| astraljava | Via alacarte? | 11:34 |
| davmor2 | knome: the upgrade is done via the x-desktop file if you remove that file and try to upgrade it fails aiui | 11:35 |
| mr_pouit | no no, it should work fine even if it's not installed | 11:47 |
| mr_pouit | astraljava: InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" - Release i386 (20111012) | 11:47 |
| mr_pouit | astraljava: we used one or two categories for gnome-menus in 11.10 | 11:47 |
| mr_pouit | s/for/of/ | 11:48 |
| mr_pouit | anyway, the new menu doesn't, so nothing to fix on our end | 11:48 |
| astraljava | mr_pouit: Yeah, I figuired | 11:51 |
| astraljava | grr | 11:51 |
| astraljava | mr_pouit: Yeah, I figured as much, and just set affects to the correct package. | 11:54 |
| mr_pouit | yep, I saw that, thanks | 11:55 |
| mr_pouit | knome: ignore old unsatisfied important dependency on abiword:amd64 | 11:58 |
| mr_pouit | knome: on 10.04, when I remove abiword, it doesn't come back during the dist-upgrade | 11:58 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: could it be that the icon-scaling we experience with the tabwin also affects the systray? | 15:33 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: oddly enough the same icons are scaled down when in the systray, but look ok when inside indicator-plugin :( | 15:35 |
| ochosi | (which is why i'm supplying both svg and png for the clipman plugin) | 15:43 |
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| mr_pouit | no idea | 16:36 |
| ochosi | ok, then i gotta ask andrezj | 16:37 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Have you noticed the window borders going out of visible desktop when maximised? Could be just on my system, I did a distribution upgrade, not a clean install. But granted, shouldn't happen then either. | 16:55 |
| ochosi | astraljava: not sure i know what you mean, mind to provide a screenshot? | 16:56 |
| astraljava | http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/borders_out_of_visibility.png | 16:56 |
| astraljava | I was a bit slow, sorry. :D | 16:56 |
| ochosi | that's normal | 16:56 |
| ochosi | that's how xfwm4 maximizes windows | 16:57 |
| ochosi | oh | 16:57 |
| ochosi | on the left | 16:57 |
| astraljava | Well... not nice. See how text becomes not fully visible on the left side. | 16:57 |
| astraljava | Yeah. | 16:57 |
| ochosi | what is that weird dark-grey line? | 16:57 |
| astraljava | I don't know, really. | 16:58 |
| ochosi | oh | 16:58 |
| astraljava | Hmm... could it be a problem with terminal, screen or mutt, then? | 16:58 |
| astraljava | Well actually, weechat works the same way as mutt. | 16:58 |
| ochosi | no, see for yourself: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04042012-065850pm.php | 16:59 |
| astraljava | And so does centerim. | 16:59 |
| ochosi | (this is mutt in xfce-term in 12.04, all updates installed() | 16:59 |
| astraljava | Hrhm. | 16:59 |
| ochosi | but actually the terminal colors are suboptimal for mutt | 17:00 |
| ochosi | knome: ^ | 17:00 |
| astraljava | I'll look again on my desktop, which is a Studio clean install. | 17:00 |
| ochosi | astraljava: actually what's with that white grey border between mutt and the terminal window | 17:03 |
| ochosi | it looks a bit like you cut it out with the gimp and moved it to the left | 17:03 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Hah. Well rest assured, I did no such thing. :) | 17:05 |
| ochosi | :) | 17:05 |
| ochosi | but you see this 1px border on top between mutt and term-menubar | 17:06 |
| ochosi | and also below and on the right | 17:06 |
| ochosi | rather disturbing | 17:06 |
| astraljava | Yeah, well, I have no answer to that. | 17:06 |
| ochosi | me neither :( | 17:07 |
| astraljava | ochosi: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/unmaximised.png | 17:07 |
| ochosi | astraljava: do you have a panel on the left? | 17:08 |
| astraljava | They're still there, but not that big anymore. | 17:08 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Yeah, a hidden one. | 17:08 |
| ochosi | haha | 17:08 |
| ochosi | in your face | 17:08 |
| ochosi | that's the panel cutting the maximized window ;) | 17:08 |
| astraljava | Oh, ok. | 17:08 |
| astraljava | Then that's not good, either. | 17:08 |
| astraljava | A window shouldn't go under the panel "hint". | 17:09 |
| ochosi | you have to set its opacity to 0 on leave and 100 on enter | 17:09 |
| ochosi | but for that you need to enable compositing | 17:09 |
| astraljava | I do not subscribe to this line of thinking. | 17:09 |
| ochosi | you don't have to | 17:09 |
| astraljava | :) | 17:09 |
| ochosi | i only tell you what you can do to solve your specific problem | 17:10 |
| ochosi | other than that > bugzilla ;) | 17:10 |
| astraljava | Yea. | 17:10 |
| ochosi | please don't forget to ask for intellihide | 17:10 |
| astraljava | ...which is? | 17:10 |
| ochosi | panel is visible unless it gets covered by a window (then it hides) | 17:11 |
| ochosi | most docks do that | 17:11 |
| astraljava | Ok, so that's not implemented yet? | 17:11 |
| baizon | yes intellihide is a nice feature :) | 17:11 |
| ochosi | some also call it "window dodge" | 17:11 |
| ochosi | astraljava: have you congratulated and thanked me yet for following up on Bug #956147 and getting it fixed today? | 17:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 956147 in Messaging Menu "thunderbird message indicator icons" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956147 | 17:12 |
| astraljava | Alright, I'll see if I have interest for that. I only now did this because of small-ish resolution on this laptop, probably won't be a problem much longer. | 17:12 |
| astraljava | ochosi: I don't know. I was just notified today that I can time-travel, so it's possible that I have. | 17:13 |
| astraljava | ochosi: It isn't obvious from the comment thread, how did you fix it? | 17:14 |
| ochosi | astraljava: well i bugged the right people (kenvandine and larsu) in #ubuntu-devel | 17:15 |
| ochosi | the fix will be uploaded in the next update to indicator-messages | 17:15 |
| astraljava | Oh right, that's the branch under review. Nice! | 17:15 |
| ochosi | yup, i wasn't so optimistic about this in the beginning | 17:16 |
| ochosi | but it turned out they were really interested to fix the bug | 17:16 |
| baizon | guys any news on the new kernel bug? | 17:17 |
| baizon | lightdm isnt starting at boot anymore | 17:17 |
| baizon | with 3.2.0-21 kernel | 17:17 |
| ochosi | in 12.04? | 17:17 |
| baizon | yes | 17:17 |
| ochosi | i have that kernel version (3.2.0.21.23 to be exact) and things are ok here | 17:18 |
| baizon | hmm | 17:18 |
| baizon | i have 3.2.0-21.34 | 17:19 |
| astraljava | Yeah me too. | 17:19 |
| baizon | just getting the tty login screen | 17:19 |
| astraljava | Well, I won't reboot yet, then. | 17:19 |
| astraljava | It was reported and talked about on -testing, and AFAIUI escalated to the right people. | 17:20 |
| ochosi | baizon: yeah, i have that version of the headers as well | 17:20 |
| ochosi | astraljava: AFAIUI? | 17:20 |
| baizon | so will be fixed then? :) | 17:20 |
| astraljava | As Far As I Understood It. | 17:21 |
| baizon | ok | 17:21 |
| ochosi | (sorry i know it's not chattiquette to ask for those acronyms, but this one i never read before) | 17:21 |
| astraljava | baizon: Is that implied? :D | 17:21 |
| astraljava | Well yeah, if Sebastian Bacher got interested about it, I'm fairly sure it will. :) | 17:21 |
| astraljava | Oh, and a newer kernel revision is in the queue already, just hasn't landed yet. | 17:24 |
| astraljava | But I'm not sure whether it'll fix that bug or not, it feels too soon for that. | 17:25 |
| knome | ochosi, feel free to propose improvements to the terminal color scheme | 19:17 |
| knome | mr_pouit, thanks for replying to bug 964483 | 19:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 964483 in exo (Ubuntu) "Terminal help is inaccessible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964483 | 19:19 |
| knome | mr_pouit, i suppose removing the # could fix this... | 19:19 |
| astraljava | Oh cr*p, sorry I left that hanging. I remember having trouble in getting debugging info out, I can continue now. | 19:20 |
| astraljava | err... wait. | 19:21 |
| astraljava | It just worked. | 19:21 |
| astraljava | And LP being way slow tonight, I can't get to the report to see the actual error. It was a pop-up telling the file it tries to show, right? | 19:22 |
| knome | yup | 19:26 |
| astraljava | Well are you running precise? Can you test? Cause it works for me now in Studio. | 19:27 |
| astraljava | ...and in Xubuntu as well. | 19:27 |
| knome | astraljava, Failed to execute default Web Browser. Text ended before matching quote was found for #. (The text was '/usr/bin/firefox filr:///usr/share/doc/xfce4-terminal/C/index.html"'). | 19:27 |
| knome | -" | 19:28 |
| knome | +# | 19:28 |
| knome | so, ...index#'). | 19:28 |
| knome | errh | 19:28 |
| astraljava | wait, don't tell me this is a FF issue? I'm using chrome. | 19:28 |
| knome | ...index.html#'). | 19:28 |
| knome | yes, in precise | 19:28 |
| knome | maybe. | 19:28 |
| astraljava | Haha! Yeah. | 19:29 |
| astraljava | I wonder what is the correct work flow to take here. I'll probably head on to #ubuntu-mozilla first, to see if anyone there runs Xfce. | 19:30 |
| astraljava | It was a deadend. | 19:30 |
| knome | -mozillateam | 19:30 |
| astraljava | Ahh... gotcha, thanks. | 19:30 |
| knome | np.. | 19:30 |
| knome | you'll probably end up talking with micahg though :) | 19:31 |
| Unit193 | "file:///usr/share/doc/xfce4-terminal/C/index.html#" worked, but I'm not in the correct system to try it. | 19:35 |
| Unit193 | knome: You were right. | 19:37 |
| knome | about? :) | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | all the things | 19:40 |
| knome | well of course.. | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | I am kind of bored of waiting for a response from canonical trademarks | 19:41 |
| knome | heh | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | we got ok from Xfce, right? | 19:41 |
| knome | nope. | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | oh | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | knome: Of who he would talk to. :D | 19:41 |
| knome | pending too, but i suppose it's okay | 19:41 |
| knome | but yeah, i could try to get hold of them. | 19:41 |
| knome | Unit193, yup :) | 19:41 |
| knome | astraljava, i wonder if the source has "" quotes around the url? | 19:42 |
| baizon | ok new kernel has arrived | 19:42 |
| baizon | installing it now :) | 19:42 |
| astraljava | knome: It does not. However, when firefox is set as default, I see "Error: No running window found" in the debug log. | 20:03 |
| astraljava | Is LP down-ish for others as well? It seems 10% of my requests are served right now. | 20:05 |
| knome | seems to load a bit slow, but works | 20:12 |
| astraljava | Damn, has been _really_ acting up for several hours now on my end. | 20:13 |
| astraljava | Works at one time, fails on most. I give up for tonight, I have better things to do than wait on its mercy. :) | 20:21 |
| knome | :) | 20:21 |
| martinphone | is it true that in 12.04 the kernel is 3.2 and above? | 20:22 |
| knome | yes | 20:22 |
| martinphone | can you explain why the sudden change from current 3.0.0.18 to 3.2? | 20:23 |
| martinphone | where is 3.1 I mean | 20:23 |
| knome | we use the same kernels than ubuntu | 20:23 |
| martinphone | ok | 20:23 |
| martinphone | can you then explain ubuntu's sudden change from current 3.0.0.18 to 3.2? | 20:23 |
| knome | i don't know about kernel versioning, though some projects use .odd-numbers for not-so-stable releases | 20:24 |
| martinphone | i see | 20:24 |
| knome | you'd be better off asking from #ubuntu-kernel | 20:24 |
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