[10:21] <knome> are we forcing people to install xubuntu-desktop on upgrade?
[10:24] <knome> i'm asking because i've removed abiword from my installation, but it seems to want to install it on upgrade
[10:27] <astraljava1> knome: Could you repeat the question? It seems my connection to the freenode servers was down for a bit, so I've lost some of the backlog.
[10:27] <knome> 13:21  knome: are we forcing people to install xubuntu-desktop on upgrade?
[10:27] <knome> astraljava, did you get it this time? :P
[10:28] <astraljava> knome: I did, yeah. I dunno, really. These new release-upgrade thingies are beyond me, to be honest. Back in the day, when you used just apt-get dist-upgrade, it wouldn't add it if you didn't have it at the time.
[10:29] <knome> yeah.
[10:29] <knome> is there a way to force dist-upgrade to go to a devel release?
[10:30] <astraljava> knome: `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`
[10:30] <knome> mm-hmm
[10:30] <knome> thanks
[10:30] <knome> let's see it that proposes me x-d/abiword
[10:30] <knome> *if
[10:31] <knome> no, that pulls them in too
[10:32] <astraljava> Yeah.
[10:32] <knome> :(
[10:32] <knome> i wonder if this is because some rdepends or stuff
[10:32] <knome> mr_pouit, ^^
[11:25] <astraljava> ochosi: The other standard volume-related keypresses don't work either. I'll debug further today, at some point.
[11:29] <astraljava> Hmm... bug #973262 seems weird.
[11:33] <astraljava> I don't even understand how gnome-menus gets pulled in.
[11:34] <astraljava> Via alacarte?
[11:35] <davmor2> knome: the upgrade is done via the x-desktop file if you remove that file and try to upgrade it fails aiui
[11:47] <mr_pouit> no no, it should work fine even if it's not installed
[11:47] <mr_pouit> astraljava: InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" - Release i386 (20111012)
[11:47] <mr_pouit> astraljava: we used one or two categories for gnome-menus in 11.10
[11:48] <mr_pouit> s/for/of/
[11:48] <mr_pouit> anyway, the new menu doesn't, so nothing to fix on our end
[11:51] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Yeah, I figuired
[11:51] <astraljava> grr
[11:54] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Yeah, I figured as much, and just set affects to the correct package.
[11:55] <mr_pouit> yep, I saw that, thanks
[11:58] <mr_pouit> knome:   ignore old unsatisfied important dependency on abiword:amd64
[11:58] <mr_pouit> knome: on 10.04, when I remove abiword, it doesn't come back during the dist-upgrade
[15:33] <ochosi> mr_pouit: could it be that the icon-scaling we experience with the tabwin also affects the systray?
[15:35] <ochosi> mr_pouit: oddly enough the same icons are scaled down when in the systray, but look ok when inside indicator-plugin :(
[15:43] <ochosi> (which is why i'm supplying both svg and png for the clipman plugin)
[16:36] <mr_pouit> no idea
[16:37] <ochosi> ok, then i gotta ask andrezj
[16:55] <astraljava> ochosi: Have you noticed the window borders going out of visible desktop when maximised? Could be just on my system, I did a distribution upgrade, not a clean install. But granted, shouldn't happen then either.
[16:56] <ochosi> astraljava: not sure i know what you mean, mind to provide a screenshot?
[16:56] <astraljava> http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/borders_out_of_visibility.png
[16:56] <astraljava> I was a bit slow, sorry. :D
[16:56] <ochosi> that's normal
[16:57] <ochosi> that's how xfwm4 maximizes windows
[16:57] <ochosi> oh
[16:57] <ochosi> on the left
[16:57] <astraljava> Well... not nice. See how text becomes not fully visible on the left side.
[16:57] <astraljava> Yeah.
[16:57] <ochosi> what is that weird dark-grey line?
[16:58] <astraljava> I don't know, really.
[16:58] <ochosi> oh
[16:58] <astraljava> Hmm... could it be a problem with terminal, screen or mutt, then?
[16:58] <astraljava> Well actually, weechat works the same way as mutt.
[16:59] <ochosi> no, see for yourself: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04042012-065850pm.php
[16:59] <astraljava> And so does centerim.
[16:59] <ochosi> (this is mutt in xfce-term in 12.04, all updates installed()
[16:59] <astraljava> Hrhm.
[17:00] <ochosi> but actually the terminal colors are suboptimal for mutt
[17:00] <ochosi> knome: ^
[17:00] <astraljava> I'll look again on my desktop, which is a Studio clean install.
[17:03] <ochosi> astraljava: actually what's with that white grey border between mutt and the terminal window
[17:03] <ochosi> it looks a bit like you cut it out with the gimp and moved it to the left
[17:05] <astraljava> ochosi: Hah. Well rest assured, I did no such thing. :)
[17:05] <ochosi> :)
[17:06] <ochosi> but you see this 1px border on top between mutt and term-menubar
[17:06] <ochosi> and also below and on the right
[17:06] <ochosi> rather disturbing
[17:06] <astraljava> Yeah, well, I have no answer to that.
[17:07] <ochosi> me neither :(
[17:07] <astraljava> ochosi: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/unmaximised.png
[17:08] <ochosi> astraljava: do you have a panel on the left?
[17:08] <astraljava> They're still there, but not that big anymore.
[17:08] <astraljava> ochosi: Yeah, a hidden one.
[17:08] <ochosi> haha
[17:08] <ochosi> in your face
[17:08] <ochosi> that's the panel cutting the maximized window ;)
[17:08] <astraljava> Oh, ok.
[17:08] <astraljava> Then that's not good, either.
[17:09] <astraljava> A window shouldn't go under the panel "hint".
[17:09] <ochosi> you have to set its opacity to 0 on leave and 100 on enter
[17:09] <ochosi> but for that you need to enable compositing
[17:09] <astraljava> I do not subscribe to this line of thinking.
[17:09] <ochosi> you don't have to
[17:09] <astraljava> :)
[17:10] <ochosi> i only tell you what you can do to solve your specific problem
[17:10] <ochosi> other than that > bugzilla ;)
[17:10] <astraljava> Yea.
[17:10] <ochosi> please don't forget to ask for intellihide
[17:10] <astraljava> ...which is?
[17:11] <ochosi> panel is visible unless it gets covered by a window (then it hides)
[17:11] <ochosi> most docks do that
[17:11] <astraljava> Ok, so that's not implemented yet?
[17:11] <baizon> yes intellihide is a nice feature :)
[17:11] <ochosi> some also call it "window dodge"
[17:12] <ochosi> astraljava: have you congratulated and thanked me yet for following up on Bug #956147 and getting it fixed today?
[17:12] <astraljava> Alright, I'll see if I have interest for that. I only now did this because of small-ish resolution on this laptop, probably won't be a problem much longer.
[17:13] <astraljava> ochosi: I don't know. I was just notified today that I can time-travel, so it's possible that I have.
[17:14] <astraljava> ochosi: It isn't obvious from the comment thread, how did you fix it?
[17:15] <ochosi> astraljava: well i bugged the right people (kenvandine and larsu) in #ubuntu-devel
[17:15] <ochosi> the fix will be uploaded in the next update to indicator-messages
[17:15] <astraljava> Oh right, that's the branch under review. Nice!
[17:16] <ochosi> yup, i wasn't so optimistic about this in the beginning
[17:16] <ochosi> but it turned out they were really interested to fix the bug
[17:17] <baizon> guys any news on the new kernel bug?
[17:17] <baizon> lightdm isnt starting at boot anymore 
[17:17] <baizon> with 3.2.0-21 kernel
[17:17] <ochosi> in 12.04?
[17:17] <baizon> yes
[17:18] <ochosi> i have that kernel version (3.2.0.21.23 to be exact) and things are ok here
[17:18] <baizon> hmm
[17:19] <baizon> i have 3.2.0-21.34
[17:19] <astraljava> Yeah me too.
[17:19] <baizon> just getting the tty login screen
[17:19] <astraljava> Well, I won't reboot yet, then.
[17:20] <astraljava> It was reported and talked about on -testing, and AFAIUI escalated to the right people.
[17:20] <ochosi> baizon: yeah, i have that version of the headers as well
[17:20] <ochosi> astraljava: AFAIUI?
[17:20] <baizon> so will be fixed then? :)
[17:21] <astraljava> As Far As I Understood It.
[17:21] <baizon> ok
[17:21] <ochosi> (sorry i know it's not chattiquette to ask for those acronyms, but this one i never read before)
[17:21] <astraljava> baizon: Is that implied? :D
[17:21] <astraljava> Well yeah, if Sebastian Bacher got interested about it, I'm fairly sure it will. :)
[17:24] <astraljava> Oh, and a newer kernel revision is in the queue already, just hasn't landed yet.
[17:25] <astraljava> But I'm not sure whether it'll fix that bug or not, it feels too soon for that.
[19:17] <knome> ochosi, feel free to propose improvements to the terminal color scheme
[19:19] <knome> mr_pouit, thanks for replying to bug 964483
[19:19] <knome> mr_pouit, i suppose removing the # could fix this...
[19:20] <astraljava> Oh cr*p, sorry I left that hanging. I remember having trouble in getting debugging info out, I can continue now.
[19:21] <astraljava> err... wait.
[19:21] <astraljava> It just worked.
[19:22] <astraljava> And LP being way slow tonight, I can't get to the report to see the actual error. It was a pop-up telling the file it tries to show, right?
[19:26] <knome> yup
[19:27] <astraljava> Well are you running precise? Can you test? Cause it works for me now in Studio.
[19:27] <astraljava> ...and in Xubuntu as well.
[19:27] <knome> astraljava, Failed to execute default Web Browser.  Text ended before matching quote was found for #. (The text was '/usr/bin/firefox filr:///usr/share/doc/xfce4-terminal/C/index.html"').
[19:28] <knome> -"
[19:28] <knome> +#
[19:28] <knome> so, ...index#').
[19:28] <knome> errh
[19:28] <astraljava> wait, don't tell me this is a FF issue? I'm using chrome.
[19:28] <knome> ...index.html#').
[19:28] <knome> yes, in precise
[19:28] <knome> maybe.
[19:29] <astraljava> Haha! Yeah.
[19:30] <astraljava> I wonder what is the correct work flow to take here. I'll probably head on to #ubuntu-mozilla first, to see if anyone there runs Xfce.
[19:30] <astraljava> It was a deadend.
[19:30] <knome> -mozillateam
[19:30] <astraljava> Ahh... gotcha, thanks.
[19:30] <knome> np..
[19:31] <knome> you'll probably end up talking with micahg though :)
[19:35] <Unit193> "file:///usr/share/doc/xfce4-terminal/C/index.html#" worked, but I'm not in the correct system to try it.
[19:37] <Unit193> knome: You were right.
[19:37] <knome> about? :)
[19:40] <pleia2> all the things
[19:40] <knome> well of course..
[19:41] <pleia2> I am kind of bored of waiting for a response from canonical trademarks
[19:41] <knome> heh
[19:41] <pleia2> we got ok from Xfce, right?
[19:41] <knome> nope.
[19:41] <pleia2> oh
[19:41] <Unit193> knome: Of who he would talk to. :D
[19:41] <knome> pending too, but i suppose it's okay
[19:41] <knome> but yeah, i could try to get hold of them.
[19:41] <knome> Unit193, yup :)
[19:42] <knome> astraljava, i wonder if the source has "" quotes around the url?
[19:42] <baizon> ok new kernel has arrived
[19:42] <baizon> installing it now :)
[20:03] <astraljava> knome: It does not. However, when firefox is set as default, I see "Error: No running window found" in the debug log.
[20:05] <astraljava> Is LP down-ish for others as well? It seems 10% of my requests are served right now.
[20:12] <knome> seems to load a bit slow, but works
[20:13] <astraljava> Damn, has been _really_ acting up for several hours now on my end.
[20:21] <astraljava> Works at one time, fails on most. I give up for tonight, I have better things to do than wait on its mercy. :)
[20:21] <knome> :)
[20:22] <martinphone> is it true that in 12.04 the kernel is 3.2 and above?
[20:22] <knome> yes
[20:23] <martinphone> can you explain why the sudden change from current 3.0.0.18 to 3.2?
[20:23] <martinphone> where is 3.1 I mean
[20:23] <knome> we use the same kernels than ubuntu
[20:23] <martinphone> ok
[20:23] <martinphone> can you then explain ubuntu's sudden change from current 3.0.0.18 to 3.2?
[20:24] <knome> i don't know about kernel versioning, though some projects use .odd-numbers for not-so-stable releases
[20:24] <martinphone> i see
[20:24] <knome> you'd be better off asking from #ubuntu-kernel