[00:01] <AMIGAS> oh cool well i changed it thank's to you
[00:02] <wxl> no prob
[00:02] <AMIGAS> is there a apps centre for lubuntu like how there's one for ubuntu?
[00:05] <ilomabr> AMIGAS:  Yes the package is lubuntu-software-center
[00:06] <ilomabr> google that and youll find the ppa you can add to apt-get install it
[00:10] <ilomabr> For anyone thats up for beta software a "do-release-upgrade -d " (essentially upgrading to beta 12.04) fixed all of my atheros wireless network throughput issues....smb throughput is more than double
[00:13] <AMIGAS> ilomabr: oh so i can use the terminal to get it?
[00:15] <ilomabr> this ppa isnt official but it works...
[00:15] <ilomabr> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
[00:15] <ilomabr> then  "apt-get update"
[00:16] <ilomabr> then "apt-get install lubuntu-software-center"
[00:16] <AMIGAS> my top task bar disappear
[00:17] <ilomabr> or wait for 12.04, its there by default
[00:17] <AMIGAS> what my task bar
[00:21] <wxl> AMIGAS: try the alt-f2 and do `lxpanelctl restart`
[00:21] <AMIGAS> ok
[00:21] <AMIGAS> ok
[00:25] <AMIGAS> wow it work
[00:27] <AMIGAS> wxl: oh do you know all this's things?
[00:30] <AMIGAS> what is dock?
[00:41] <wxl> AMIGAS: sorry for disappearing. i'm one of the team and a hardcore user
[00:41] <wxl> AMIGAS: btw all this info is in the guides/workarounds -- have you seen the wiki?
[00:43] <Unit193> And manpages. :P
[00:44] <AMIGAS> wxl: ah no
[00:44] <wxl> AMIGAS: the dock isn't necessarily relevant to the native lubuntu setup.
[00:45] <AMIGAS> wal: yeah but just wanted to know what is it for
[00:45] <wxl> AMIGAS: [3~https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Wiki_-_Frequently_Asked_Questions
[00:45] <wxl> ugh
[00:45] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Wiki_-_Frequently_Asked_Questions
[00:45] <wxl> that i mean
[00:46] <wxl> the dock is a launcher.. like the little bar at the bottom of the mac screen if you're familiar with them :D
[00:46] <AMIGAS> wxl: browser is slowing down the pc (chromium) and i not seen to find a simple browser to use.
[00:47] <wxl> if you just want to see text, dillo works well :D
[00:48] <AMIGAS> lol and maybe a flash player too :D
[00:48] <wxl> oh bah then keep chromium-- it's your best choice
[00:49] <wxl> out of ALL of them
[00:49] <wxl> anywho gotta jet
[00:49] <AMIGAS> kool
[00:49]  * wxl pokes Unit193 
[00:49] <wxl> help AMIGAS out if he needs it :D
[00:49]  * Unit193 jabs wxl 
[00:49]  * Unit193 knows nothing.
[00:49] <wxl> (he's lying)
[00:50] <AMIGAS> lol
[01:03] <AMIGAS> using terminal to install it's saying something about main, universe and etc...
[01:08] <Unit193> What command are you using, and is it just the downloading part?
[01:09] <AMIGAS> "sudo apt-get install" i'm using that
[01:09] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install firefox   for example tells you that it's downloading it and from where, and unpacking, etc.
[01:11] <AMIGAS> i wise to gather knowledge like you about the os
[01:12] <Unit193> I just mess around and poke stuff. Reading the manual/wiki/blog posts as well.
[01:13] <AMIGAS> oh
[01:15] <AMIGAS> ah the termial isn't work like when i tpye "sudo apt-get install firefox" it's loading the first thing about dictator located or something like that
[01:42] <AMIGAS> how to cut down on memory use
[01:42] <Unit193> Disable unneeded startup jobs, close unneeded programs, etc.
[01:43] <AMIGAS> all disable and unneeded programs gone but need to do more
[01:45] <Unit193> Add more ram. :P
[01:45] <Unit193> How much do you have?
[01:45] <AMIGAS> about 380 :D
[01:46] <Unit193> Run a process manager and see what's taking it up.
[01:47] <AMIGAS> something name "Xorg"
[01:49] <Unit193> Yeah, don't kill that.
[01:50] <AMIGAS> can i stop it?
[01:51] <AMIGAS> :D why not, what is it?
[01:52] <Unit193> Your GUI.
[01:52] <Unit193> !x
[01:53] <AMIGAS> oh
[01:54] <AMIGAS> what about openbox?
[01:54] <Unit193> Again, no.
[01:55] <Unit193> You'll be better off not killing anything unless you know for sure what it is.
[01:56] <AMIGAS> :D oh but i only know some
[01:56] <AMIGAS> gvsf?
[01:56] <Unit193> < Unit193> You'll be better off not killing anything unless you know for sure what it is.
[01:57] <Unit193> Do you know what it is? If not, you may not want to kill it.
[01:57] <AMIGAS> just tell me some that i can kill
[01:59] <Unit193> Browsers, email clients, IM clients, or other desktop applications.
[01:59] <AMIGAS> on it
[02:00] <AMIGAS> how about xscreensaver
[02:00] <Unit193> Type    free -m   and tell me what you see.
[02:01] <Unit193> ^^ in a terminal window.
[02:02] <AMIGAS> total 380, used 98
[02:03] <AMIGAS> free 282
[02:05] <Unit193> That's not bad at all, you can live with that.
[02:05] <AMIGAS> what about xscreensaver?
[02:05] <Unit193> That's your screensaver....
[02:05] <Unit193> Why do you think you need to cut down?
[02:06] <AMIGAS> dont need it :D
[02:06] <Unit193> Careful about screen burn in.
[02:07] <AMIGAS> :D is that a joke because that was FUNNY
[02:07] <Unit193> Do you know what it is?
[02:08] <AMIGAS> nope
[02:08] <Unit193> It's where your monitor displays something so long that it actually shows up when you turn off the monitor, or when you change the window even.
[02:09] <AMIGAS> you mean what it burn on the monitor even whenit off you say
[03:14] <dabir> my HDMI audio just shows "S/PDIF" in alsamixer, i unmuted it and still no sound can anyone help
[03:16] <holstein> dabir: i wouldnt trust the labels
[03:16] <holstein> i would consider pulse
[03:17] <holstein> i would maybe think about trying a few different live CD's and see if you can learn something
[03:17] <holstein> mabye find a tool, or a kernel that supports your hardware better that you can add into your current lubuntu
[03:17] <dabir> in alsamixer, i have no adjustable volume control for HDMI. all that shows is S/PDIF and I unmuted it, but still no sound coming from TV
[03:18] <holstein> dabir: right.. i would not trust that label to be correc
[03:18] <holstein> correct*
[03:18] <holstein> i would consider installing pulse audio and using pavucontrol
[05:55] <iceroot> apt-get install lubuntu-core is designed to offer me an lxde env with x-server and lxdm on 11.10? so that a start will automaticly show up the display-manager?
[05:55] <iceroot> if so, then we are facing bugs on 11.10
[05:56] <iceroot> or is lubuntu-core something different?
[05:56] <bioterror> lubuntu-core is core
[05:57] <bioterror> you have to pull all the programs you want
[05:57] <iceroot> so the same as lubuntu-desktop without abiword and so on but with lxde, xserver and logon-manager
[05:57] <bioterror> iceroot, what kind of bugs you are then facing?
[05:57] <bioterror> iceroot, exactly, that's how it should be :D
[05:57] <iceroot> bioterror: lxdm AND lightdm are trying to start
[05:57] <iceroot> on 11.10
[05:57] <bioterror> hahaha
[05:57] <bioterror> old good
[05:58] <iceroot> none of them can start and you end up on tty1
[05:58] <iceroot> used netinstall with only openssh-server and then apt-get install lubuntu-core
[05:59] <iceroot> phillw: is there a way for the testing-team to test that case again? i am out of hardware-ressources
[06:00] <iceroot> netinstall i386, 11.10, only choose openssh-server and then "apt-get update && apt-get install lubuntu-core" reboot and then lxdm and lightdem are trying to start, both are failing and you end up on tty1
[06:01] <iceroot> working fine when using lubuntu-desktop instead
[06:02] <bioterror> you can check what packages the lubuntu-core fetches?
[06:03] <bioterror> and then do: ubuntu-bug lubuntu-core
[06:03] <bioterror> ;)
[06:03] <iceroot> bioterror: i am not sure if something went wrong from my site but i dont have ressources to retest it and i dont like bugs where i am just guessing
[06:04] <bioterror> if I find my stinkpad ac adapter, I might spin around mini.iso on a t42
[06:04] <iceroot> bioterror: would be great, thank you
[06:05] <bioterror> no problemos ;)
[06:05] <bioterror> I can report it then
[06:06] <iceroot> i really need hardware here which is able to run a vm...
[08:26] <cristian_c> Hi
[08:26] <cristian_c> the problem is the disappearance of the volume applet in Lubuntu
[08:28] <cristian_c> adding it again it did not do much, just deleting the hidden folder in home lxpanel was even worse, because the panel lacked
[08:28] <cristian_c> Reset the panel, I found that creating a new user, with it, the panel was not present
[08:29] <cristian_c> Resetting the panel in a more correct way, however, I discovered something:
[08:31] <cristian_c> lxpanel -p Lubuntu command brings up (in addition to the panel) the following string on the terminal:
[08:31] <cristian_c> lxpanel: can't start plugin volume
[08:32] <cristian_c> However, nothing has appeared in addition to this
[08:33] <cristian_c> may be useful to correct the problem you think?
[10:58] <Atlantic777> Where could I find some sys requirements for lubuntu?
[12:28] <rdkrdk> hi, I'm on a netbook, an eee PC, I installer Lubuntu along Windows on another partition to have a dual boot, just finished the install, the computer reboots, but grub doesn't show up, can someone help me?
[12:28] <rdkrdk> installed*
[12:32] <rdkrdk> (it's Windows 7 that atomatically starts up when booting the computer, for clarification)
[12:34] <bioterror> !grubrecovery
[12:35] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[12:35] <rdkrdk> thank you I am going to check this
[12:38] <rdkrdk> going to try this from the live cd, thanks again
[14:22] <skedar> thanks bioterror, grub-repair fixed the issue. So I could try the new eee PC on lubuntu, no support for graphic drivers (yet ?) but the bettery is properly handled with it's [i don't remember how it's called] technology using Jupiter and Jupiter-eee-pc packages
[14:23] <skedar> battery*
[14:24] <bioterror> nice to hear that it helped
[17:37] <bioterror> hmmm
[17:37] <bioterror> about the flash problem
[17:38] <bioterror> I have 11.2.202.228 installed and I made a visit to: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[17:38] <bioterror> it first shows animation no probs but then it disappears
[17:38] <bioterror> I disabled my Adblock Plus and voilá ;D
[17:39] <bioterror> but did not solve problems on youtube
[17:41] <rohn> hi all
[17:41] <bioterror> howdy
[17:41] <rohn> i have a strange problem
[17:41] <bioterror> I hope it's not related to flash :D
[17:41] <rohn> today i installed lubuntu in my pc
[17:42] <rohn> before taking the update my sound card is perfect but after the update
[17:43] <rohn> it not working
[17:43] <rohn> :(
[17:43] <rohn> mine is soundblaster
[17:43] <rohn> 5.1
[17:43] <bioterror> open terminal
[17:43] <bioterror> and execute command: alsamixer
[17:43] <bioterror> and check PCM and MASTER
[17:43] <bioterror> MM means MUTED
[17:44] <rohn> lspci dose not  show me the card also
[17:44] <bioterror> with m -key you can unmute it
[17:44] <rohn> :(
[17:44] <bioterror> okay
[17:44] <rohn> bioterror: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[17:45] <bioterror> okay
[17:45] <bioterror> where did your soundcard disappear
[17:45] <bioterror> which soundbast you have exactly?
[17:45] <bioterror> we could load a module
[17:45] <rohn> really i donet know
[17:46] <rohn> i think something dell emu
[17:47] <rohn> lspci shows me my analog tv tuner card but not the sound card
[17:48] <rohn> wait i'll be back
[17:48] <bioterror> rohn, did you install kernel update?
[17:48] <bioterror> oh dear
[17:48] <bioterror> too fast
[18:02] <rohn> i think my card is Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1x
[18:02] <rohn> how i load driver for it
[18:02] <rohn> it is not li lspci
[18:03] <rohn> *lspci
[18:03] <wxl> rohn: you've looked through the whole of the lspci output and you don't see it there?
[18:04] <rohn> no it is not in lspci
[18:04] <rohn> before my update it is there
[18:04] <rohn> *it was
[18:04] <wxl> weird
[18:04] <wxl> is this a laptop?
[18:05] <rohn> no
[18:05] <wxl> did you move it? :D
[18:05] <Unit193> I don't remember if lshw is installed by default, but that should have it.
[18:05] <rohn> wxl: no
[18:05] <wxl> Unit193: isn't lspci polling the busses themselves, though?
[18:06] <rohn> even lshw -C sound also not showing me the card
[18:08] <wxl> rohn: i'd open up the case and try to make sure the card is seated. i know it sounds stupid, but as i suggested above, lspci should be polling the bus. if the card is connected, it should at least see it, even if it doesn't know what to do with it.
[18:08] <wxl> maybe use `lspci -v` to get more detail?
[18:08] <Unit193> And it's not under lsusb, wrong device.
[18:08] <wxl> you also maybe should check the dmesg output and see if you had any errors
[18:25] <Combat_Wombat> lo
[18:26] <rohn> wxl: problem solved.
[18:26] <wxl> rohn: do tell
[18:26] <rohn> reinsert the card and reboot
[18:26] <wxl> yey i guess i was right!
[18:26] <rohn> now working fine
[18:26] <Unit193> That almost never happens!
[18:27]  * wxl slaps Unit193 with a trout
[18:27] <rohn> is there any graphical alsa mixer??
[18:28] <wxl> there is but they've got their dependencies
[18:28] <rohn> i mean a gui for it
[18:28] <wxl> imho alsamixer works
[18:28] <wxl> ncurses is gui enough :D
[18:29] <Unit193> TUI, much nicer.
[18:29] <wxl> XD
[18:30] <rohn> in my panel there is a volume control
[18:31] <rohn> when i right click it i cannot use the volume control option menu
[18:32] <rohn> it is not highlighted
[19:41] <milen8204> Any one can help me whit internet video watching problem
[19:41] <milen8204> ?
[19:42] <bioterror> youtube?
[19:42] <Unit193> Flash?
[19:43] <milen8204> flash
[19:43] <bioterror> milen8204, sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner"
[19:43] <milen8204> I have instaled and re instaled several times
[19:43] <bioterror> milen8204, sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer
[19:44] <bioterror> milen8204, sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[19:44] <milen8204> If i write sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[19:44] <milen8204> adobe-flashplugin not found
[19:45] <bioterror> sorry
[19:45] <bioterror> forgot sudo apt-get update
[19:45] <bioterror> :D
[19:45] <milen8204> when after purge /
[19:45] <milen8204> ?
[19:46] <bioterror> after adding partner repository
[19:47] <milen8204> if I write it after purge is it wrong ?
[19:47] <bioterror> no it's not
[19:48] <bioterror> iceroot, installing lubuntu-core now
[19:49] <milen8204> the clips runs in youtube
[19:49] <milen8204> but did not in other sites
[19:49] <bioterror> you restarted browser?
[19:49] <bioterror> alt+ctrl+q to quit chromium
[19:49] <bioterror> or if you use firefox, then quit it
[19:50] <milen8204> the browser was not working when I installed the changes
[19:50] <milen8204> but I will reboot the PC
[19:51] <bioterror> no reboot
[19:51] <bioterror> what's wrong with you guys
[19:51] <bioterror> we only reboot when kernel update comes
[19:51] <Unit193> And not even then sometimes...
[19:52] <bioterror> yep
[19:52] <milen8204> ok
[19:53] <milen8204> but the clips do not start
[19:53] <bioterror> what if you start your browser from terminal
[19:53] <bioterror> does it complain anything about something?
[19:53] <milen8204> i will see
[19:53] <milen8204> not  a problem
[19:54] <milen8204> starts well
[19:56] <bioterror> iceroot, seems like lubuntu-core has no dependencies for the lxdm
[19:56] <bioterror> iceroot, my installation is missing lxdm :D
[19:56] <bioterror> milen8204, and when you go to your flash site?
[19:58] <milen8204> yesterday
[19:58] <bioterror> does it prompt anything to terminal when you go to flash site
[19:58] <milen8204> no
[19:59] <bioterror> and your browser was?
[19:59] <bioterror> firefox?
[19:59] <milen8204> yes
[19:59] <bioterror> you have chromium still installed?
[19:59] <milen8204> no I have removed chromium
[20:00] <bioterror> could you install chromium-browser
[20:00] <bioterror> and test with it too
[20:00] <bioterror> not that I have anything against firefox, but I would like to know
[20:00] <milen8204> i have tried yesterday and didnt work
[20:00] <bioterror> I dont care about yesterday
[20:01] <bioterror> we have now different plugin installed
[20:01] <bioterror> and we are living the present
[20:01] <milen8204> :D
[20:01] <milen8204> ok
[20:05] <milen8204> same thing mising plug-in shockwave flash goes down
[20:05] <bioterror> your system is 11.10?
[20:05] <milen8204> lubuntu 11.10
[20:06] <bioterror> really trivial
[20:06] <bioterror> how does the flash go down?
[20:06] <bioterror> it says that "oh snap" in chromium?
[20:07] <milen8204> it is in Bulgarian language
[20:07] <milen8204> and I translate
[20:07] <milen8204> the word may not be the same in English
[20:17] <Flazer> chromium doesn't come with flash already installed
[20:17] <Flazer>  i had to execute a script in terminal to install it
[20:17] <Flazer> you could avoid this by using firefox, chrome, or even opera
[20:18] <Flazer> i assumed this was expected behavior, not including flash
[20:21] <bioterror> Flazer, that's why we installed adobe-flashplugin from partner repository
[20:22] <Flazer> ah
[20:22] <Flazer> i didn't really understand his question. :-/.  Flash is not working, or continually crashes?
[20:23] <iceroot> bioterror: so you got a working lxde with lightdm on 11.10?
[20:24] <bioterror> iceroot, not lightdm
[20:24] <bioterror> iceroot, I didnt get neither of them
[20:25] <iceroot> bioterror: so you end up on tty1 like me
[20:25] <bioterror> iceroot, I used: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core --no-install-recommends
[20:25] <bioterror> iceroot, exactly
[20:25] <Unit193> Silly bioterror...
[20:25] <iceroot> bioterror: i used it without recommends
[20:26] <iceroot> and i am sure i got lightdm and lxdm
[20:26] <bioterror> as I have nothing else to do
[20:26] <iceroot> but seems we are facing a bug with lubuntu-core
[20:26] <bioterror> I could reinstall
[20:26] <bioterror> this my system is missing all the goodies
[20:26] <bioterror> like notifyd and nm-applet and so on
[20:27] <iceroot> i will open a bug against lubuntu-core
[20:27] <bioterror> can you hold a sec
[20:27] <bioterror> and I'll do a reinstall
[20:27] <iceroot> sure
[20:27] <bioterror> takes few moments :D
[20:27] <doogiekd> hey friends,
[20:27] <doogiekd> have a look at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1952795     any suggestions?
[20:28] <iceroot> at the moment i have lxde running with 43mb ram usage :)
[20:28] <iceroot> thats what a system should be :)
[20:30] <iceroot> bioterror: i have restartet my system and the boot-log says lxdem start failed, lightdm start failed, so its really trying to bring both up
[20:31] <bioterror> how that's possible
[20:31] <bioterror> as you should have only one :D
[20:32] <iceroot> ask lubuntu-core not me :)
[20:32] <bioterror> so you did just plain: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core?
[20:32] <iceroot> wait
[20:33] <iceroot> i did apt-get install lubuntu-core, no x was coming up (bug 1), then i installed lubuntu-desktop, dpkg was asking to use lxdm or lightdm, i choosed lightdm and then its trying to start lxdm and lightdm
[20:33] <iceroot> yes that bug too....
[20:33] <bioterror> :D
[20:33] <bioterror> mark is a funny guy
[20:34] <iceroot> bioterror: and if i am correct you are facing the first bug too
[20:34] <bioterror> yes, with lubuntu-core a display manager is missing
[20:34] <bioterror> I assume
[20:35] <bioterror> but
[20:35] <bioterror> wait a sec
[20:35] <bioterror> ;D
[20:35] <iceroot> bioterror: correct, thats the first bug, the second is that its trying to start lxdm and lightdm
[20:35] <iceroot> and imo after i installed lubuntu-desktop
[20:35] <bioterror> I'll make a proper installation and see
[20:35] <iceroot> thank you
[20:37] <phillw> iceroot: I've seen this mentioned in various places... is there a bug filed yet?
[20:38] <iceroot> phillw: to be honest i have not searched very long on lp
[20:38] <iceroot> phillw: i am just waiting for the go from bioterror to open two bugs
[20:39] <phillw> iceroot: I've not seen any mention of a bug number, so maybe go raise one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Bugs
[20:39] <phillw> iceroot: cool, thanks.
[20:40] <bioterror> iceroot, takes a while now as my mini installation is now installing packages
[20:40] <iceroot> phillw: i just dont have ressources to test so bioterror is rechecking my report
[20:40] <phillw> Julien loves bugs..... well, maybe not :)
[20:40] <bioterror> ofcourse he loves
[20:40] <bioterror> otherwise he would not spend his free time with those
[20:40] <iceroot> i have a lot of bugs in the pipe but dont have much time
[20:40] <phillw> iceroot: nor do we before 12.04 !
[20:41] <iceroot> i will try :)
[20:41] <iceroot> to open them in the next days
[20:41] <iceroot> but there are no showstoppers in my pipe (just the lubuntu-core bug) the rest is most translation or other things
[20:42] <iceroot> and the grey-on-black bug....
[20:44] <phillw> iceroot: the document freeze I think, has finally landed. So no more updating of documents. It gives the translators some time https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[20:44] <phillw> iceroot: the grey on black whould have been resolved?
[20:44] <phillw> s/whould/should
[20:44] <iceroot> phillw: not on this notify-windows
[20:44] <iceroot> phillw: when you disconnect from a wifi
[20:45] <Unit193> Meh, the default notifyd is crappy.
[20:46] <bioterror> iceroot, booting for the first time
[20:46] <phillw> iceroot: I'd have to check, but not sure if lubuntu are responsible for notify-windows.
[20:46] <iceroot> but that are all very unimportant bugs, i think we are on a very good way for 12.04 and the real ugly bugs are fixed (grey on black, kernel panic on eeepc, spaces with xfce4-power-manager)
[20:47] <iceroot> 11.10 is using lightdm or lxdm?
[20:47] <kanliot> lxdm
[20:48] <iceroot> and ubuntu gdm?
[20:48] <phillw> iceroot: from the beta 2 iso-tracker, we have no show-stoppers... pcmanfm decided to die on me today when using LSC for the 1st time, but not a critical crash. I'll see if it does it again
[20:48] <kanliot> wait lightdm
[20:48] <bioterror> lubuntu 11.10 was lxdm
[20:48] <bioterror> ubuntu 11.10 was lightdm
[20:48] <bioterror> or is
[20:48] <bioterror> how ever
[20:48] <iceroot> ok
[20:48] <bioterror> and lubuntu 12.04 is lightdm
[20:48] <phillw> iceroot: we are moving to lightdm for 12.04
[20:48] <Flazer> what's the difference?
[20:48] <Flazer> or main differences?
[20:48] <iceroot> imo k/u/lubuntu are lightdm
[20:48] <iceroot> on 12.04
[20:49] <bioterror> Flazer, lightdm is more ugly :D
[20:49] <Flazer> :( lol
[20:49] <Unit193> So is X.
[20:50] <phillw> Flazer: we have switched so we share resources of devs, which are low accross all teams.
[20:51] <Flazer> it's a smart idea, makes sense at least
[20:52] <iceroot> bioterror: and is x starting?
[20:52] <phillw> yeah, we *nearly* went with 11.10, but Julien did not think it advanced enough, so we held back with the statement we would go with it 12.04 (aka let the other teams be guinea pigs... just don't tell them :P )
[20:53] <bioterror> no
[20:53] <bioterror> did not install lxdm or anything
[20:53] <iceroot> bioterror: ok i will open the first bug
[20:53] <bioterror> and startlubuntu is not working either
[20:53] <bioterror> startlubuntu really should work
[20:53] <iceroot> bioterror: can you do "apt-get install lubuntu-desktop" and choose lightdm on the configuration
[20:53] <iceroot> bioterror: in my case lxdm and lightdm are trying to start then
[20:53] <iceroot> and of course no x, just tty1
[20:54] <bioterror> wHAT
[20:54] <iceroot> bioterror: i had the same system as you now
[20:54] <bioterror> if I install LXDM, it will install lxde-core and lxde-common
[20:54] <Unit193> Last I knew, I had to start X in one TTY, switch to next, and startlubuntu there.
[20:54] <bioterror> those are missing from the lubuntu-core
[20:54] <bioterror> oh dear
[20:54] <iceroot> bioterror: ok i will open the bug about missing lxde-core and lxde-common
[20:55] <bioterror> and lxdm and all the other parts :D
[20:55] <bioterror> should I do the same with 12.04?
[20:55] <phillw> bioterror: 12.04 is the more imprtant one, IMHO
[20:55] <iceroot> bioterror: if you have time it would be great, i just tested 11.10
[20:55] <iceroot> bioterror: but before
[20:56] <iceroot> bioterror: can you do "apt-get install lubuntu-desktop" it should install lxdm and lightdm and both are trying to start and x is not coming up
[20:56] <bioterror> it really fetches stuff
[20:57] <bioterror> ̃worth of 500MB
[20:57] <iceroot> in that time i will create the lubuntu-core bug
[20:57] <bioterror> hard to read when downloading 6000kb/s ;)
[20:59] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/974635
[21:01] <bioterror> confirmed!
[21:02] <iceroot> thx
[21:04] <bioterror> 12.04 minimal cd is 10MB bigger than 11.10
[21:05] <iceroot> 10mb more awesome stuff :)
[21:05] <bioterror> dd'ing 12.04
[21:10] <bioterror> iceroot, nicely lxdm started
[21:10] <iceroot> bioterror: 11.10 with lubuntu-desktop or 12.04 with lubuntu-core?
[21:11] <bioterror> with 11.10 first lubuntu-core and then lubuntu-desktop
[21:11] <iceroot> bioterror: is your system trying to start lightdm too? is lightdm installed?
[21:12] <bioterror> nope, lightdm is not installed
[21:12] <iceroot> bioterror: ok then i did something wrong there, thank you for that info
[21:15] <bioterror> hard to say
[21:15] <bioterror> how it did fetch lightdm ;)
[21:15] <iceroot> i dont know
[21:16] <iceroot> i will do some aptitude-why on that case
[21:16] <bioterror> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso doesnt like to boot properly
[21:16] <bioterror> I choose install, flashes usb drive and nothing happens
[21:23] <bioterror> ahhh, gotta grab non-PAE
[21:26] <bioterror> now it works
[21:27] <phillw> bioterror: lubuntu reverted back to non-PAE. Is this causing issues?
[21:28] <bioterror> nope, I just needed to fetch correct mini.iso
[21:28] <phillw> Us an xubuntu made the switch
[21:29] <Unit193> Yes, but there is an option for the mini to be pae or not, not exactly related.
[21:30] <bioterror> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/
[21:30] <phillw> Unit193: so, our wiki page should only suggest non pae?
[21:31] <bioterror> that should be probably suggested
[21:33] <phillw> bioterror: okes, I know Chris tidied up stuff for 12.04 from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[21:36] <phillw> bioterror: can you let Chris know about what needs changing on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[21:37] <bioterror> phillw, I can try to remember when I see him ;)
[21:37] <phillw> bioterror: do not rely on memory.... send an email!"
[21:38] <bioterror> I dont have any email clients configured, I just read my mails fron phone :D
[21:39] <kanliot> :) well kids nowadays!
[21:39] <kanliot> IMHO you need email, or gmail or something
[21:40] <phillw> bioterror: do you want me to ping Chris via email so you can discuss this? It is an important area for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[21:42] <bioterror> phillw, you can rely on me ;)
[21:42] <bioterror> let's see how 12.04 behaves
[21:44] <phillw> bioterror: AFAIK, it has behaved with the non-PAE stuff. We had testers on that before the decision was made to ship that kernel. They were using the mini iso.
[21:47] <bioterror> on 12.04 it fetches lightdm
[21:47] <bioterror> and network-manager
[21:47] <bioterror> seems like lubuntu-core on 11.10 is broken
[21:49] <bioterror> gilir, are you there?
[21:52] <gilir> ?
[21:53] <bioterror> gilir, Thu23:59 <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/974635
[21:53] <bioterror> seems like lubuntu-core on 11.10 is missing stuff
[21:54] <gilir> I already explained it on the bug report
[21:55] <bioterror> oh, there has been activity ;9
[21:55] <bioterror> but what's the point of lubuntu-core if it's not fetching enough packages to get you to the X?
[21:59] <gilir> use startx, display manager is not strictly required
[22:02] <gilir> also on 11.10, you can have lxdm or lightdm, both should work nicely
[22:15] <bioterror> gilir, on 12.04 should core be missing xfce4-power-manager?
[22:20] <gilir> bioterror, no, it's useless on a desktop computer
[22:21] <gilir> at least, if you are using core, especially with --no-install-recommends , you need be able to adapt your system
[22:21] <gilir> it's really minimalist, IMO not usuable "as if"
[22:22] <wxl> s/f/s/
[23:02] <iceroot> hm and what is now the minimal lxde installation we can get?
[23:03] <iceroot> what to install if i only want lxde without abiword chrome and so on
[23:05] <bioterror> iceroot, 12.04 or 11.10?
[23:06] <iceroot> bioterror: 11.10
[23:06] <bioterror> laptop or desktop?
[23:06] <iceroot> laptop
[23:06] <bioterror> install mini.iso, install lubuntu-core and then install xfce4-power-manager, network-manager-gnome
[23:07] <bioterror> and if you want to use login manager, pick lightdm
[23:07] <iceroot> hm
[23:07] <bioterror> it's better if you're going to upgrade to 12.04 ;)
[23:07] <iceroot> bioterror: can you tell me what lubuntu-core is then?
[23:08] <iceroot> 12.04 lubuntu-core is doing what it should be?
[23:08] <bioterror> but with 12.04 you only need to install xfce4-power-manager
[23:08] <iceroot> imo what it should be
[23:08] <bioterror> yeah
[23:08] <iceroot> ok
[23:09] <bioterror> I'm quite happy with the 12.04 what I tested it
[23:09] <bioterror> I quickly installed and configured it
[23:09] <iceroot> 12.04 is imo the best choice because xfce4-power-manager is fixed there
[23:09] <iceroot> with this ugly spaces bug on 11.10
[23:09] <bioterror> indeed.
[23:10] <bioterror> was it fixed from lxpanel or from the xfce4-power-manager itself?-)
[23:10] <iceroot> xfce4-power-manager
[23:10] <bioterror> awesome
[23:10] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878
[23:11] <iceroot> but until now no backport to 11.10
[23:11] <iceroot> bioterror: thank you for your time and your feedback
[23:12] <bioterror> no problems
[23:12] <bioterror> I had a nice way to spend my evening
[23:12] <bioterror> :D
[23:12] <bioterror> and half of the night
[23:12] <iceroot> i will do some hacking tomorrow
[23:12] <iceroot> a nice lxde based xbmc eeepc for my movies :)
[23:12] <bioterror> that's already there
[23:14] <bioterror> that new xbmcbuntu or what was it
[23:14] <iceroot> thats not fun
[23:14] <iceroot> :) i want to do it on my own :)