[00:00] <psusi> atpa8a, maybe, but it should still work on the fakeraid
[00:01] <OffGridOps> It's been hung on Setting Update "run_key" quite awhile now is that normal?
[00:01] <OffGridOps> just a white cursur flashing
[00:01] <atpa8a> psusi: the partitioner only shows 'Configure iSCSI Volumes' and nothing else
[00:01] <atpa8a> that's the problem
[00:02] <atpa8a> if i cannot pick one of the existing LVs
[00:02] <atpa8a> but!
[00:02] <atpa8a> if i go into the shell and do lvs, i can see my volumes
[00:03] <atpa8a> i cannot pick one of the existing LVs"
[00:03] <penguin42> atpa8a: I think because it's oopsing during part of the parted detect process
[00:03] <atpa8a> penguin42: that's what it looks like
[00:04] <atpa8a> is there a flag i can set and mount my volume on /root for the installer to skip the parted process?
[00:04] <psusi> it certainly shouldn't be OOPSing, but mdadm also shouldn't be trying to touch the fakeraid
[00:05] <penguin42> atpa8a: Well I thought in the debian installer you can get to the point where it will give you a menu of each step fo the installer - it's painful but it lets you skip a step if you can get the equivalent
[00:05] <psusi> dmraid is supposed to handle that after the installer prompts you to activate detected ataraids...
[00:05] <itaylor57> OffGridOps, do a ctrl c on the command and then type sudo service lightdm restart
[00:06] <penguin42> psusi: But looking at the oops it happens during parted and after the md raid has come up; so I'm assuming it's triggered by some detection that parted is doing
[00:06] <atpa8a> psusi: it doesn't
[00:07] <atpa8a> penguin42: even when i'm doing that step by step in "expert" mode, it doesn't let me to skip parted
[00:08] <psusi> atpa8a, did you get the prompt about ataraid asking if you want to activate?
[00:11] <atpa8a> yes
[00:11] <atpa8a> and i say 'yes'
[00:11] <penguin42> what happens if you say no?
[00:13] <atpa8a> in the installer... the same, i don't have any volumes in parted
[00:13] <atpa8a> i can reboot and check if i get the oops
[00:15] <penguin42> atpa8a: Well, if there are two options it's normally worth trying both :-)
[00:15] <psusi> well, there is currently a packaging but that prevents the server and alternate cds from working right when you say yes, because the dmraid drivers are missing
[00:15] <atpa8a> so... i should say no?
[00:16] <atpa8a> then what? activate it manually?
[00:16] <psusi> no... probably two bugs... the fakeraid missing drivers bug, and then at some later point something you are doing must be asking mdadm to activate anything it can and it tries to activate the fakeraid since it now supports intel as well, and there's a kernel bug causing it to OOPS
[00:17] <atpa8a> doesn't it mean that whatever answer i choose the problem will be the same?..
[00:17] <psusi> yes.. you'll need to wait for the fakeraid missing drivers to be fixed
[00:17] <psusi> or stop using fakeraid ;)
[00:17] <atpa8a> yeah :P
[00:17] <psusi> I'd suggest that one if you don't need to dual boot with windows... fakeraid is bad mojo
[00:18] <penguin42> psusi: Is there someone that oops should be pointed out to, or is the current state of it enough?
[00:19] <atpa8a> and i was hoping... "oh great! now i get emails from mdadm if my fakeraid fails!"
[00:19] <psusi> penguin42, it would be good if you could figure out how to reproduce it on an actual install with an upstream kernel
[00:19] <psusi> atpa8a, best just to use mdadm all together.. fakeraid's only advantage is it works with windows
[00:19] <penguin42> psusi: It's difficult with atpa8a only getting it during the install
[00:19] <psusi> penguin42, indeed...
[00:20] <penguin42> psusi: but it's a pretty complete oops he's captured
[00:20] <atpa8a> alright :) pvmove back and destroy fakeraid
[00:20] <atpa8a> can report in the morning :P
[00:20] <penguin42> yeh, time for bed here - it's getting cold!
[00:21] <atpa8a> night! :) he's gone!
[00:21] <atpa8a> psusi: thanks!
[00:21]  * psusi looks for that line of code
[00:22] <atpa8a> if i destroy fakeraid, i won't get the problem :P
[00:22] <atpa8a> won't be of help :)
[00:23] <psusi> hrm... looks like the bug is the result of an attempt to update the external metadata while the array is flagged read only
[00:23] <psusi> I was wondering why when I tried using mdadm to activate a fakeraid array, it kept insisting that it be read-only
[00:24]  * psusi fires off an email to linux-raid mailing list
[00:37] <atpa8a> psusi: i guess i can keep (after destroy and a new install) the ataraid for a bit
[00:38] <atpa8a> or... are you saying that if i nuke the md0, i'll only have the dmraid and all be kosher?
[00:43] <atpa8a> that's the quickest thing i can test actually...
[00:44] <atpa8a> psusi: note, that the board is supermicro and cpu is xeon... not some cheapo system
[00:44] <pla> Hi. I just installed 12.04 beta 2. Why does it ask to go through a partial upgrade when I start-up the Update Manager?
[00:45] <psusi> atpa8a, the md0 is neither here nor there afaik... it's the fakeraid that's the problem
[00:45] <atpa8a> doesn't make sense to nuke the md0, you mean?
[00:50] <psusi> atpa8a, unless md0 is the fakeraid, no
[01:16] <atpa8a> nah, md0 is that, md0
[01:16] <atpa8a> md linux software raid1
[01:16] <spaceneedle> My laptop seems to me to be snappier after a kernel update.  However, I can't stand it when the words up in the corner get mixed with the global menu .
[01:33] <atpa8a> heeey
[01:33] <atpa8a> it does look like dmraid bug
[01:34] <atpa8a> tried 11.10 again with the purpose of upgrading and hitting the same bug
[01:34] <atpa8a> and as i think about it... the previous installs were successful because i didn't have the ataraid configured
[01:35] <atpa8a> so it isn't precise specific it seems
[01:36] <atpa8a> (tho it does still seem installer specific)
[01:37] <atpa8a> goan confirm
[01:37] <atpa8a> pvmove back to md0, remove the ataraid array and see if that solves it
[02:20] <PhotoJim> I've lost my window title bars and borders... google's not helpful.  Fix?
[02:21] <PhotoJim> (Precise but with Gnome desktop)
[02:23] <PhotoJim> brb, going to see if the problem persists with Unity
[02:25] <PhotoJim> Works fine with Unity.  Hmm.
[02:34] <PhotoJim> alt-tab doesn't work in Gnome either, but I see it works fine in Unity.
[02:35] <snadge> i have to use gnome classic (no effects) to get decent performance out of my radeon 7870
[02:35] <snadge> 120fps in minecraft.. if i do that
[02:35] <snadge> 20fps when using unity2d.. 40fps with compiz
[02:35] <snadge> sucks
[02:36] <snadge> should've waited and got something nvidia based.. problem was i wanted the new 28nm generation, and nvidia only have the gtx680 atm
[02:37] <PhotoJim> ATI Mobility Radeon HD4650 in this
[02:38] <PhotoJim> I have to say, the open source driver in Precise works great.  I couldn't get the proprietary driver to install previously, and on this version, I don't care.
[02:39] <PhotoJim> this is a first-gen i7 laptop... pretty happy with it still,  Ihave to say.
[03:04] <DropsOfSerenity> is there any way to make the notification on the launcher jump at u constantly until you click it? like how it would behave on a mac?
[03:04] <DropsOfSerenity> for example, say I get a message in empathy, I want it to keep bouncing
[03:04] <DropsOfSerenity> also I use the launcher with autohide, so basically I'd like notifications to be more noticable.
[04:43] <Prez00> so how is beta 2 looking?
[04:43] <Prez00> any show stoppers?
[04:43] <Prez00> I have my secondary machine here, ready for some bleeding edge stuff.. I can take a little pain, but not a lot, beta 2 good for that?
[04:50] <snadge> i installed the alpha without even asking that
[04:51] <kota> hello everyone
[04:51] <snadge> how could it be any worse than 11.10 ;)
[05:01] <Prez00> well
[05:01] <Prez00> update time then
[05:01] <Prez00> let's try it out
[06:07] <jeremiah_> how do i get java 6 for minecraft?
[06:07] <jeremiah_> hello?
[06:08] <jeremiah_> crud.
[06:08] <nathwill> settle
[06:08] <jeremiah_> or maybe....
[06:08] <nathwill> you needs wait
[06:08] <jeremiah_> .....or not
[06:09] <ubuntu64bit> what's the command to update ubuntu 11.10 to ubuntu 12.04 now?
[06:09] <nathwill> jeremiah_ also, you probably want openjdk-jre6
[06:09] <jeremiah_> nathwill, it didn't work with minecraft....
[06:09] <nathwill> hrm.
[06:10] <nathwill> you run java -jar /path/to/minecraft.jar?
[06:10] <jeremiah_> ??
[06:11] <jeremiah_> don't understand
[06:12] <nathwill> you could also try oracle java... if neither of those is working, i'd suggest trying here.
[06:12] <nathwill> http://askubuntu.com/questions/5558/how-can-i-install-minecraft#5565
[06:14] <jeremiah_> but with java 7- it crashes
[06:14] <nathwill> i got nothing for you then
[06:14] <nathwill> maybe check with the minecraft people.
[06:15] <jeremiah_> whatever...
[06:15] <nathwill> ?
[06:17]  * bkerensa dances
[06:22] <snadge> to fix java 7 crashing with minecraft.. you need up update lwjgl
[06:23] <snadge> i personally just use oracle java 1.6u31
[06:23] <snadge> because i can both run minecraft.. and compile android ;)
[06:23] <nathwill> le sigh. too late snadge, jeremiah_ already ragequit
[06:25] <snadge> probably a child
[06:25] <nathwill> :(
[06:34] <GeorgeJ> Does CompizConfig no long affect the way unity works?
[06:34] <GeorgeJ> I've just installed 12.04 and cannot switch between workspaces like I used to in 11.10.
[06:35] <nathwill> georgej, using ctrl+alt+arrowkey?
[06:35] <nathwill> that was changed for a while, but then changed back.
[06:35] <nathwill> it's currently working in my fully-updated system like it always has
[06:35] <GeorgeJ> nathwill: That switches workspaces, however not in the way it does on 11.10.
[06:36] <nathwill> ?
[06:36] <GeorgeJ> I get the old workspace switching widget.
[06:36] <snadge> hmm.. super-w chucks a spastic the first time you use it
[06:36] <snadge> anyone else noticed that?
[06:36] <GeorgeJ> Give me a second, I'll try to provide a screenshot.
[06:38] <GeorgeJ> Erm, how can one take a screenshot from the terminal? Pressing print screen doesn't work while pressing alt+shift
[06:38] <GeorgeJ> Nvm, hold on
[06:39] <nathwill> scrot!
[06:39] <GeorgeJ> Is there a lighter weight photo editor than gimp?
[06:42] <Myrtti> depending on what you're looking for in it
[06:44] <GeorgeJ> Here's how the workspace switcher works: http://i42.tinypic.com/20fdfsn.png
[06:44] <GeorgeJ> is shown as*
[06:45] <GeorgeJ> Also control+alt+shift+arrow does not move the current window.
[06:45] <nathwill> hrm
[06:45] <nathwill> georgej, are you fully upgraded?
[06:45] <GeorgeJ> nathwill: Indeed I am, apt-get updated and apt-get dist-upgrade shows no updates
[06:46] <nathwill> i'm running unity 5.8.0-0ubuntu2, works for me...
[06:46] <nathwill> hrm
[06:46] <nathwill> curious if this is a good time for unity --reset
[06:47] <GeorgeJ> After having downloaded CompizConfig the unity plugin wasn't even enabled, and the keybinds in the desktop wall are prefixed with <Control><Primary><Alt>ArrowKey
[06:47] <GeorgeJ> As far as I can tell <Primary> is the left control key, however, I tried that combination and nothing happens.
[06:49] <nathwill> well... messing with compiz settings in unity can break things...
[06:49] <nathwill> if you don't mind losing some tweaking, i'd try a unity --reset
[06:52] <GeorgeJ> It didn't appear to do anything, it resetted, compiz crashed and it didn't recover.
[06:53] <GeorgeJ> Doing another unity --reset did the same thing
[06:53] <GeorgeJ> It complained that it does not have the GLX extension on display :0
[06:53] <GeorgeJ> Does that mean OpenGL is missing? Or something of the sorts?
[06:57] <nathwill> iinteresting
[06:59] <GeorgeJ> I find this rather odd, since everything worked in 11.10
[06:59] <GeorgeJ> If missing OpenGL it should fall back to unity 2d, correct? How can I check if it's really running unity3d?
[06:59] <nathwill> working for me fine in 12.04... did you maybe upgrade from 11.10? curious if old compiz tweaks carried over
[07:00] <snadge> ps aux |grep compiz
[07:01] <GeorgeJ> nathwill: I did at first, I encountered a LOT of issues, flickers, crashes, so I formatted and installed 12.04.
[07:01] <nathwill> gotcha
[07:01] <GeorgeJ> Compiz doesn't seem to be running
[07:01] <snadge> ps x |grep metacity
[07:02] <GeorgeJ> Yup, metacity is running.
[07:02] <snadge> so you may not have 3d then
[07:02] <snadge> especially if you selected unity session from the login manager
[07:03] <nathwill> snadge, is the screen he linked to earlier the default desktop switching modal in unity-2d? i've never actually used 2d...
[07:03] <GeorgeJ> snadge: The login prompt provides me with a choice between Unity and Unity2d. I chose Unity
[07:03] <GeorgeJ> nathwill: I believe it is.
[07:04] <snadge> yes.. thats metacity
[07:04] <snadge> which unity2d uses.. thats how it switches desktop.. is more primitive than compiz
[07:04] <nathwill> interesting.
[07:04] <snadge> so its likely to be a driver related issue
[07:04] <nathwill> ty for the info
[07:05] <snadge> if you are running nouveau instead of nvidia.. this is likely to be the problem
[07:05] <snadge> check what gpu you have.. likely to be one of either intel, amd, nvidia
[07:05] <snadge> most likely one of the latter two
[07:05] <snadge> because intel just works ;)
[07:05] <GeorgeJ> snadge: I see, the problem is that I've got a relatively new laptop an Assus 5750G, and it has 2 graphics cards.
[07:06] <snadge> acer aspire?
[07:06] <GeorgeJ> It has an on-chip intel and an nvidia, there's a technology they call "Optimus" to switch between the two.
[07:06] <GeorgeJ> snadge: yes
[07:06] <GeorgeJ> Acer, sorry*
[07:06] <snadge> ahaha
[07:06] <snadge> i think optimus has broken support in linux .. but i could be wrong
[07:07] <GeorgeJ> Yes, in 11.10, I had to install a separate utility to disable the nvidia card, however, even if I didn't install that, Unity3d would run properly.
[07:08] <snadge> http://askubuntu.com/questions/107475/nvidia-optimus-geforce-gt-540m-not-recognised-as-a-proprietary-driver
[07:08] <snadge> right i can find information with regards to ubuntu 11.10
[07:09] <snadge> i can see that nvidia proprietary driver has no less than 3 options
[07:10] <snadge> nvidia-173/updates , nvidia-96/updates and nvidia-current/updates
[07:10] <snadge> sorry thats 6 drivers
[07:11] <snadge> and on top of that.. you can probably install drivers from nvidia's website
[07:11] <snadge> presuming you have been here also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:12] <nathwill> night all
[07:13] <GeorgeJ> snadge: Tbh, I wouldn't mind disabling my nvidia card.
[07:13] <GeorgeJ> lspci finds both cards.
[07:13] <GeorgeJ> george@Gokubuntu:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[07:13] <GeorgeJ> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[07:13] <GeorgeJ> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1)
[07:13] <snadge> yeah im not sure how to best deal with that particular hardware
[07:14] <snadge> maybe you can force using the intel driver.. and just ignore the nvidia part
[07:14] <snadge> maybe you have to explicitly disable the nvidia part somehow
[07:14] <snadge> maybe its best to use the nvidia driver which will handle power saving.. and switching between the automatically
[07:14] <GeorgeJ> snadge: So basically, the problem is that unity falls back to 2d mode because it can find no OpenGL driver, correct?
[07:16] <snadge> right
[07:16] <snadge> you can determine what graphics driver you're using by looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:17] <snadge> the intel chip should still support enough 3d to be able to run compiz
[07:17] <GeorgeJ> snadge: It does, under 11.10 anyway.
[07:17] <snadge> http://geek.co.il/wp/2012/02/19/nvidia-optimus-on-ubuntu-12-04
[07:18] <snadge> that article has some useful information on how to configure 12-04 to use both
[07:20] <snadge> but you could perhaps skip most of that if you wern't interested in the nvidia part
[07:25] <GeorgeJ> snadge: I was just reading that, thanks for the link.
[07:32] <triptec> when I start my fresh install of ubuntu the screen is just some strange lines but I can ssh into it, so I was wondering if someone might have a look at my syslog and maybe tell me what's wrong?
[08:01] <GeorgeJ> snadge: Thank you, that guide is a tad outdated. Bumblebee now has full packages for 12.04 and everything works after installing bumblebee and rebooting.
[08:02] <GeorgeJ> Sadly, there's a problem that persists since 11.10. I can't turn the brightness down using the function keys, the HUD appears but the brightness doesn't change.
[08:02] <GeorgeJ> I can change it however by echoing a value in /sys/class
[08:06] <GeorgeJ> Also, at the login screen, the resolution is really low and the sides of the screen remain black.
[08:15] <gain_> hi all
[08:16] <gain_> no vinagre by default in 12.04?
[08:40] <IlyaVoyager> hi there. I've just installed gwibber-service-flickr and gwibber-service-vkontakte (from ppa). However, when I'm trying to add a new account, I only see standard options: twitter, facebook, identica. No Flickr, no Vkontakte. I restarted gwibber. When I open "Accounts" dialog, it says (in the console), that it's loading plugin for flickr and vkontakte (among others).
[08:40] <IlyaVoyager> Is it a bug I should report or something wrong from my side?
[08:41] <edgy> Hi, the time appears in utc, how can I let it appear in localtime as before?
[08:48] <triptec> it seems I got a problem with nouveau, is there an alternative, I'd just need the console to work
[08:57] <iceroot> triptec: tty1?
[08:59] <triptec> well, something works, if I ctrl+alt+del it print's out that the services are shutting down etc, but I don't get the grub menu and I can't log in, have to login with ssh
[08:59] <triptec> there's just a yellow blinking marker
[09:00] <thevinci> getting an unmet dependancies error tonight for upgrades... :/
[09:00] <thevinci> it says this:
[09:00] <thevinci> firefox-globalmenu : Depends: firefox (= 11.0+build1-0ubuntu3) but 11.0+build1-0ubuntu2 is installed
[09:00] <thevinci> i've tried sudo apt-get -f install
[09:00] <thevinci> to no avail
[09:00] <thevinci> i've tried editing my sources list
[09:01] <thevinci> wondering if i should just uninstall firefox, update, then reinstall firefox?
[09:05] <thevinci> looks like it was the global menu package that was causing me errors
[09:07] <thevinci> no love at 2 am :/ lol
[09:31] <Steevca> I have upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 and i am unable to connect to the internet,network manager is reporting : "Device not ready!" .I have a DSL modem and a TP-LINK TF-3200 network card,and a VIA-RHINE II network card wich isn't working.
[09:32] <Steevca> I have tried to use a live cd and check will it work but no luck,it's not working on a ubuntu live cd,on a mint or fedora.
[09:32] <Steevca> But it's working under windows xp.
[09:35] <Steevca> Anyone?
[09:59] <Steevca> I have just found out that my network is working under ubuntu 11.10 but not under 12.04.Network manager is reporting "Device not ready!"
[10:53] <foobArrr> I installed xubuntu 12.04 on my notebook, there is no hibernate button in the logout dialog. 11.10 had working hibernate on the same machine. what now?
[11:05] <foobArrr> there is a hibernate entry in the session menu. when I click it my screen gets locked and a notification "Power Manager" "not authorized" appears.
[11:08] <foobArrr> "In Precise, hibernation is disabled by default in policykit." "This is a feature, not a bug" ...
[11:12] <markit> hi, I've installed squid3, but seems it's killed when interface are up (dmesg shows init: squid3 main process (1253) killed by HUP signal)
[11:13] <markit> googling I've found only an old bug,maybe a regression...
[11:27] <triptec> is it possible to not use drm nouveau?
[11:47] <c10ud> hello
[11:47] <c10ud> did anyone try Precise with an AMD APU? i'm considering in upgrading my workstation but i fear fglrx drivers and stuff
[11:51] <markit> c10ud: use Free as in freedom drivers, radeon.
[11:51] <c10ud> markit, problem is, sometimes i like to play games (e.g. wine)
[11:52] <markit> my children play games too (but only Free ones, no wine here) and work quite well
[11:52] <c10ud> and last time i used an ATi card with ubuntu (2yrs ago), i went to the local shop and buy nvidia
[11:52] <markit> like xonotic
[11:53] <markit> nvidia is not collaborative with Free software, I prefer not buy it
[11:55] <c10ud> that's a matter of choice, btw i am seeing that what i am willing to buy could actually be worse than my current video card (lol)
[12:06] <MarKsaitis> how do I upgrade 11.04 64bit to the newest 12 LTS?
[12:07] <topyli> via 11.10
[12:08] <MarKsaitis> how do I upgrade myself to 11.10? im running inside openvz and have no access to host
[12:10] <ironhalik> update-manager -d
[12:10] <ironhalik> twice
[12:10] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: you cant update in openvz that easy
[12:10] <iceroot> as we said already
[12:11] <MarKsaitis> can I not
[12:11] <ironhalik> worked for me in xen :>
[12:11] <MarKsaitis> what do I need to do then?
[12:11] <MarKsaitis> :)
[12:11] <ikonia> xen is not openvz
[12:11] <MarKsaitis> should I just try it?
[12:11] <ironhalik> true
[12:11] <MarKsaitis> what the command to show my current version? im gonna give it a go
[12:11] <ikonia> no
[12:11] <ikonia> talk to your provider
[12:11] <MarKsaitis> ok
[12:11] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: i am not an openvz expert but there was something with the shared kernel
[12:11] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: if you don't even know how to see your current version you should not do it
[12:11] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: talk to your provider
[12:12] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: cat /etc/issue
[12:12] <MarKsaitis> I know uname--all, but thats it
[12:12] <MarKsaitis> thanx
[12:12] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: and dont!!!!! run 12.04 on a server which is reachable trough the net
[12:12] <MarKsaitis> can I do that after it's released then?
[12:12] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: not on the normal way
[12:12] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: because its openvz
[12:13] <MarKsaitis> what's wrong with openvz?
[12:13] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: talk to your provider
[12:13] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: as said already, the shared kernel
[12:13] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: that is the only advice to get - talk to your provider
[12:13] <MarKsaitis> ok
[12:14] <MarKsaitis> I don't even have update-manager :)
[12:14] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: imo it is do-release-upgrade
[12:14] <iceroot> -d
[12:14] <MarKsaitis> :D ok
[12:14] <iceroot> but dont do that
[12:14] <iceroot> it will break your system and it will not boot
[12:14] <MarKsaitis> server is empty, can reinstall in seconds
[12:14] <iceroot> because kernel modules are not matching the kernel
[12:14] <MarKsaitis> im gonna test it
[12:15] <iceroot> i have told you....
[12:15] <MarKsaitis> ok :)
[12:15] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: is there something about "don't do it it won't work" you are not understanding ?
[12:16] <iceroot> its like "dont press the red button"
[12:16] <MarKsaitis> it is :D
[12:17] <ikonia> I actually don't find it funny
[12:17] <ikonia> I find it pretty rude
[12:17] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: have a look at wikipedia what openvz is
[12:17] <ikonia> "hey guys, I don't know what I'm doing, I need help"
[12:17] <ikonia> "don't do that it will cause you problems"
[12:17] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: and what is special about the kernel
[12:17] <MarKsaitis> iceroot, I am already reading :)
[12:17] <ikonia> "ok, I'm going to try it"
[12:17] <ikonia> what's the point of asking for help if you just ignore it and carry on
[12:17] <markit> MarKsaitis: btw, if you are interested in openvz have a look at proxmox project (http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page )
[12:17] <MarKsaitis> ikonia, im not doing it :)
[12:18] <ikonia> then why do you keep saying you will ?
[12:18] <MarKsaitis> I know what openvz does, is just that I don't know why new kernel cant talk to abit older modules
[12:18] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: ok
[12:18] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: read what the kernel is
[12:18] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: and what modules are
[12:18] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: and how they are build
[12:18] <MarKsaitis> they are built with kernel source
[12:19] <MarKsaitis> I sort of understand, but it's a shame I can't do a release upgrade :)
[12:19] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: then use a better virtualisation-tool
[12:19] <ikonia> whatever
[12:19] <ikonia> "talk to your hosting provider"
[12:20] <MarKsaitis> thats fine, anyways thanx for the imput :) I will contact the supplier and ask whether they are going to upgrade their kernel to the new ubuntu one and whether they can help migrate me
[12:21] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: and think about the point "12.04 is not stable"
[12:21] <MarKsaitis> I mean when it will be released
[12:21] <iceroot> that should end any discussion about an upgrade on a production-server
[12:22] <MarKsaitis> ok. what is the command to update my server for latest patches and stuff?
[12:22] <ikonia> bye
[12:22] <ikonia> contact your supplier
[12:22] <ikonia> this is insanity
[12:22] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:22] <MarKsaitis> thanx
[12:22] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: to get the latest security patches for your ubuntu-release
[12:23] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: its a good idea to install the latest sec-updates fast
[12:23] <iceroot> and dont wait month
[12:24] <MarKsaitis> I just did it
[12:27] <tomodachi> is the ubuntu livd cd considered to be "stable"?
[12:27] <tomodachi> im refering to precise of course
[12:27] <iceroot> tomodachi: no
[12:27] <tomodachi> ok happy to hear it , then I still have hope :)
[12:28] <MarKsaitis> iceroot, how do I install lxde minimal configuration with ubuntu package manager gui and update gui?
[12:29] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[12:29] <MarKsaitis> thank you, and what vpn daemon package can you recommend to me? something with encryption and sessions
[12:30] <MarKsaitis> an interesting one *** lubuntu-desktop : Depends: gecko-mediaplayer but it is not installable
[12:30] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: 12.04?
[12:31] <MarKsaitis> iceroot, im on 11.04
[12:31] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: #ubuntu
[12:31] <MarKsaitis> omg, ok
[12:31] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: this channel is fpr 12.04, or try #lubuntu
[12:31] <MarKsaitis> ok
[13:05] <thetinyjesus> how well is 12.04 running now that beta 2 is out and such
[13:08] <dupondje> Some small question about unity. How can I make all 'indication' (like empathy messages and so) show on Primary screen ?
[13:11] <iceroot> thetinyjesus: working fine for a beta release
[14:04] <steveccc> how is everyone finding the 12.04 beta?
[14:04] <Daekdroom> It's great.
[14:05] <steveccc> I am tempted to try it - wanted to wait for the full release but bored of waiting and thought I could help beta test
[15:16] <eye-gor> steveccc: you still interested
[15:16] <steveccc> ??
[15:16] <eye-gor> in testing
[15:17] <eye-gor> steveccc: I've been running 12.04 since toolchain upload
[15:17] <eye-gor> Lsst year
[15:17] <steveccc> i think i may get it tonight yes and try it out on my laptop
[15:17] <steveccc> do you know if it will still install on a pentium 4?
[15:17] <eye-gor> steveccc: not your main machine I guess
[15:18] <eye-gor> How much memory has it got
[15:18] <steveccc> i will install it on my main laptop but wouldnt mind it on my old pc but I am sure 10.04 wouldnt install for some reason
[15:18] <steveccc> 2gb I think
[15:18] <eye-gor> Will this be booting from livecd or usb
[15:19] <steveccc> livecd although usb is an option
[15:19] <eye-gor> Wired to internet or wireless
[15:19] <steveccc> wired
[15:20] <eye-gor> ok I'd still do the check disk for errors then try ubuntu. Get the desktop up see if stuff is working ok then install
[15:21] <eye-gor> steveccc: are you wiping the laptop with this install or is there stuff on it
[15:22] <steveccc> there is stuff on it - normally leave /home intact and wipe rest
[15:23] <eye-gor> steveccc: What version on there now
[15:23] <steveccc> 10.04
[15:24] <eye-gor> steveccc: home could be a problem due to the hidden .config files especially compiz and gnome. This is due to Unity settings
[15:25] <eye-gor> steveccc: can conflict with old settings for compiz etc
[15:25] <steveccc> eye-gor: its mainly for data files so could trash all config files
[15:26] <eye-gor> steveccc: good plan
[15:26] <steveccc> it will upgrade to full version wont it when its released - no disadvantage to doing it early
[15:26] <eye-gor> steveccc: Good luck with it. Are you a fan of Unity
[15:27] <steveccc> eye-gor: not tried it - one of the reasons for upgrading
[15:27] <eye-gor> steveccc: Yep just keep it upto date with apt-get update and upgrade. Update manager not good during dev as it can offer partial upgrade that can bork your system
[15:28] <eye-gor> steveccc: you may need the dist-upgrade if apps are held back
[15:28] <eye-gor> steveccc: or use synaptic
[15:29] <eye-gor> steveccc: it's very configurable now via the package myunity
[15:30] <eye-gor> steveccc: I've reduced my laucher icons to the snallest setting which is 32. Much nicer
[15:32] <eye-gor> steveccc: myunity link http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/myunity-30-released-with-new-gui.html
[15:34] <jeremiah_> OK. I AM HERE.
[15:34] <jeremiah_> can someone please tell me how to instal sun java 6 runtime from the website via terminal?
[15:35] <jeremiah_> oracle java.
[15:35] <bazhang> jeremiah_, you want to wget it then
[15:36] <jeremiah_> bazhang, and that is done how?
[15:36] <bazhang> jeremiah_, any special reason it *has* to be from the terminal?
[15:36] <FreeRun> hi
[15:36] <FreeRun> i have problem with updating 10.04 SERVER lts to 12.04 SERVER
[15:37] <jeremiah_> bazhang, because that is the best way for me. i do not like to use the internet or other stuffs.
[15:37] <bazhang> jeremiah_, better learn about wget then
[15:37] <genii-around> FreeRun: Thats probably because 12.04 is not officially released yet, so that LTS->LTS upgrade is still non-functional
[15:38] <jeremiah_> bazhang, tell me about it.
[15:38] <FreeRun> from desktop version works fine
[15:38] <jeremiah_> bazhang, if it involves copping and pasting commands, then sure.
[15:39] <jeremiah_> bazhang, and i meant like, "go to this website then click this and do that..."
[15:43] <jeremiah_> bazhang, a problem has come up for me so will have to leave for a while.... hope to catch you later....
[15:53] <skyjumper> is alt-tab a bit laggy for anyone else in unity?
[15:58] <ubuntu64bit> nope
[16:02] <skyjumper> yeah there's about a half second delay before i get a response when hiting alt-tab
[16:03] <eye-gor> skyjumper:  same in 11.10
[16:03] <eye-gor> skyjumper: unity 5.10 lands tomorrow so maybe test again. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1953019
[16:04] <skyjumper> cool
[16:13] <atpa8a> hi
[16:13] <atpa8a> where is the daily iso?
[16:29] <FreeRun> how to update server version from 10.04 to 12.04?
[16:29] <FreeRun> do-rlelase-upgrade don't work on server version
[16:30] <bazhang> FreeRun, need to wait for final release of 12.04
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> well, you can change your apt sources
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> but that's highly discouraged
[16:32] <FreeRun> ok, thx
[16:34] <excognac> hi all. anyone has info about 12.04 release date?
[16:35] <bazhang> !schedule
[16:35] <bazhang> excognac, ^
[16:35] <skyjumper> Ian_Corne: actually that's what i've been doing for years... any reason why i should do it differently?
[16:36] <jeremiah_> can someone please tell me how to instal sun java 6 runtime from the website via terminal?
[16:37] <ikonia2> Hi . I ran a dist-upgrade for Kubuntu beta 1 to beta 2 and it asked me about a file ...keep old, overwrite, show differences in command line ... I chose show differences and have no idea on how to exit the "show differences screen" and select yes
[16:37] <ikonia2> its in terminal
[16:37] <excognac> thx
[16:38] <Ian_Corne> ikonia2:  :q
[16:38] <ikonia2> Ian_Corne: Thanks
[16:44] <jeremiah_> can someone please tell me how to install oracle java 6 runtime from the website via terminal?
[16:47] <Dr_willis> !java
[16:47] <andyxtreme> I installed ubuntu 12.04 on VMWare Player and i chose to start with GNOME interface(not GNOME classic). I heard 12.04 comes with GNOME 3.4 but it doesn't look like in the screenshots on the GNOME website, it looks like the classic. Am i missing something?
[16:48] <Dr_willis> its not using the standard 3.4 layout would be my guess
[16:48] <andyxtreme> i searched the internet and installed gnome shell
[16:49] <jeremiah_> Dr_willis,  none of them worked for me. i got an error from all of them
[16:49] <andyxtreme> and the version is 3.4
[16:49] <Dr_willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/new-gnome-3-4-release-offers-features-fun-ui-finesse/
[16:49] <Steevca> I have upgraded ubuntu 12.04 from 11.10 and my network isn't working since then.It's a dsl modem and a tp-link tf-3200 network card.The network manager is reporting "Device not ready!".
[16:50] <andyxtreme> Dr_willis, i did exactly that
[16:50] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu 12.04 will ship with a number of updated packages from GNOME 3.4 (such as GNOME 3.4), whilst others will remain on their GNOME 3.2 counterpart (such as Totem Movie Player) for stability reasons.
[16:51] <Dr_willis> 12.04 is a mixx of 3.2 and 3.4 from how i read that site
[16:52] <Steevca> Anyone? :(
[16:53] <alket> Hi, Im trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 but I cant boot from usb, it says "boot error"
[16:53] <Dr_willis> Steevca,  test with a 12.04 live cd - see if it works there. if that works.  well.. not sure where to start debugging
[16:53] <Dr_willis> alket,  how did you make the usb?
[16:53] <alket> Pendrive, Unetbootin, Startupdisk
[16:53] <Steevca> Dr_willis: it's not working with a 12.04 live cd but it's working under 11.10 live cd.
[16:54] <Dr_willis> Steevca,  id check the bug reports then. Its possible theres some update out for it not on the live cd. You could try a 12.04 daily build cd.
[16:55] <alket> Im tryinmg this https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer
[16:55] <eye-gor> Gnome 3.4 components in 12.04 http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/gnome-components-version-clarifications.html
[16:55] <Dr_willis> alket,  you did verify the md5sum of the iso?
[16:57] <Steevca> Dr_willis: is it possible to downgrade to ubuntu 11.10 without the internet?
[16:57] <Dr_willis> You normally dont downgrade at all...
[16:57] <Dr_willis> !downgrade
[17:00] <Steevca> I had this problem earyler,and i can't remember how i fixed it.
[17:00] <Steevca> I need to start writing things.
[17:00] <Dr_willis> i alwyas used tomboy notes for that. :) kept them online
[17:04] <Steevca> Dr_willis: when i run the iwconfig,or it is the ifconfig...anyway it's reporting "no wirelles extensions"
[17:04] <atpa8a> hmm
[17:04] <Steevca> And i don't have a wirelles network.Is that normal?
[17:05] <Steevca> I am using a ethernet cable to connect a modem to a network card.
[17:05] <atpa8a> kinda basic ubuntu question i guess... ERROR: option missing/invalid option combination with -E
[17:05] <atpa8a> oops
[17:06] <atpa8a> kinda basic ubuntu question i guess... http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration has both auto and allow-hotplug stanzas
[17:06] <atpa8a> is that common?
[17:13] <alket> I tried everything, still doesnt boot
[17:38] <jeremiah_> can someone tell me the commands for installing java 6 runtime?
[17:39] <atpa8a> jeremiah_: which one?
[17:39] <atpa8a> penguin42: hello to you
[17:40] <jeremiah_> atpa8a, java 6 jdk or jre. doesn't matter. i would perfer jdk
[17:40] <jeremiah_> atpa8a, i need it for minecraft
[17:40] <atpa8a> jeremiah_: openjdk should be in the distro and sun jdk/jre you have to download and install
[17:41] <atpa8a> jeremiah_: these questions are better asked in #ubuntu, i think
[17:41] <jeremiah_> atpa8a, how? i have tried the instructions on the website and it ddn't work.
[17:41] <Dr_willis> !info openjdk-6-jdk
[17:41] <jeremiah_> atpa8a, they sent me here.
[17:41] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
[17:42] <penguin42> atpa8a: Good evening
[17:42] <jeremiah_> Dr_willis, -ok let me try it...
[17:42] <atpa8a> penguin42: some progress on the bug
[17:43] <jeremiah_> it still doesn't look like i have it.
[17:43] <penguin42> atpa8a: Cool - in what way?
[17:43] <Dr_willis> we need more details jeremiah_ ....
[17:43] <Dr_willis> what you did exactly.. how you are testing this.. so forth.
[17:43] <jeremiah_> some resson i can't find it while trying to open minecraft
[17:43] <atpa8a> i pvmoved everything to md raid and killed fakeraid and was able to install
[17:43] <Dr_willis> java -version shows?
[17:44] <jeremiah_> i only have java 7 but NEED java 6
[17:44] <penguin42> atpa8a: Interesting
[17:44] <Dr_willis>  openjdk-6 is java 6
[17:44] <jeremiah_> i need a java that lets me open minecraft.
[17:45] <atpa8a> they updated the bug suggesting i'll try alternative daily iso but right now i cannot do that (will be able shortly)
[17:45] <atpa8a> as i destroyed the ataraid array
[17:45] <Dr_willis> IMPORTANT choose the java you installed as default
[17:45] <Dr_willis>  $ sudo update-alternatives --config java
[17:45] <Dr_willis>  $ sudo update-alternatives --config mozilla-javaplugin.so
[17:46]  * Dr_willis cut/pastes from   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[17:47] <atpa8a> penguin42: i see 3 possible scenarios... 1) md external metadata bug; 2) ataraid bug; 3) i need to upgrade firmware, altho it's a recent supermicro mobo
[17:48] <penguin42> atpa8a: I'd say 1 or 2, in the end it was a kernel bug in the md code
[17:49] <jeremiah_> none of the things on http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/openjdk-6-jdk worked
[17:49] <Dr_willis> jeremiah_,  we need more details.  saying stuff 'dosent work' is not helpfull in debugging things
[17:49] <Dr_willis> java -version     shows what?
[17:50] <Dr_willis> and 'minecraft not working
[17:50] <atpa8a> penguin42: likely... at least the bios on the mobo is the latest (it came with it, i never upgraded)
[17:50] <Dr_willis> and 'minecraft not working' is not the same as 'java not working' :)
[17:50] <jeremiah_> Dr_willis, i had an error. i already tried all of the installation methods on the website and got errors
[17:50] <Dr_willis> and the error is?
[17:50] <penguin42> Dr_willis: You mean people use Java for something else?
[17:50] <atpa8a> not sure [yet] how to check firmware - first time dealing with supermicro boards
[17:50] <Dr_willis> penguin42,  someday soon minecraft will go the way of SecondLife....
[17:50] <penguin42> atpa8a: Well dmidecode should give you the bios version
[17:51] <atpa8a> penguin42: i did check the bios version tho, it's the firmware that i suspect
[17:51] <jeremiah_> minecraft-got a black screen with java 7. i tried the other javas long ago so no longer have the errors.
[17:51] <penguin42> atpa8a: Which firmware do you mean?
[17:52] <Dr_willis> jeremiah_,  test that java works.. not if minecraft works...
[17:53] <jeremiah_> it says i have java! but i only have java 7. and most of use miners know java 7 doesn't work for minecraft yet!
[17:53] <atpa8a> penguin42: good question really... supermicro has a download for the firmware (as well as for the bios but my bios is the same version as the download)... so i assume it's the mobo firmware - ataraid possibly?
[17:54] <Dr_willis> so use the package manager and remove java7, and install that java6 package mentioned above.
[17:54] <penguin42> atpa8a: Hmm I'm used to on PC bioses just having the one image with everything
[17:54] <Dr_willis> or install java6 and use that update-alternatives command to select the default java for the system to use
[17:54] <jeremiah_> how do i get to synaptic. software center doesn't have java 6.
[17:55] <atpa8a> penguin42: same... so not sure exactly
[17:55] <Dr_willis>  openjdk-6 is java 6
[17:56] <atpa8a> i can try that tho
[17:58] <jeremiah_> would synaptic have java 6?
[17:59] <Dr_willis> synaptic should have  openjdk-6   which is the gpl java 6.....
[17:59] <Dr_willis> unless i totally confused... :)
[17:59] <Dr_willis> or  Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime
[18:00] <Dr_willis> !info openjdk-6-jre
[18:02] <jeremiah_> how do i fix broken packages? it brought up an error saying it couldn't
[18:03] <jeremiah_> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[18:03] <jeremiah_> E: Unable to correct dependencies
[18:04] <jeremiah_> never mind. got it.
[18:05] <foobArrr> I have a battery runtime of about 4h 30min on xubuntu 11.10 and less than 3h on xubuntu 12.04. both with compiz, awn, wlan switched on, same display brightness. settings should be pretty much identical, as I didn't change anything in /etc and copied my home dir. why is there a difference of 1h 30min?
[18:06] <scientes> foobArrr, try powertop to see what is affecting it the most
[18:06] <foobArrr> k
[18:06] <scientes> thats a pretty nasty regression
[18:08] <Dr_willis> im suprised his batteyr life was that long in 11.10 really.... ;)
[18:08] <penguin42> foobArrr: You might also file a bug on it - it's quite a drop
[18:09] <scientes> Dr_willis, those numbers might be speculative :)
[18:09] <Dr_willis> my netbook is good to get 2 hrs...
[18:09] <Dr_willis> but thats watching videos.. :) so that loads it down
[18:12] <penguin42> any KDE users having problems with GNU apps not letting you open subcategories/twizzies?
[18:13] <Dr_willis> twizzies? ;) no idea what that even is... sounds like some kind of candy
[18:13] <Dr_willis> or somthing naughty.....
[18:13] <foobArrr> Dr_willis: 4.5h on 11.10 are no speculation. keeps running through 3 lectures a 90min. 3h on 12.04 is what the battery applet displays.
[18:14] <Dr_willis> that batteyr applet is known to be.. well...  less then correct. :)
[18:14] <foobArrr> I'll know for sure in 3h :)
[18:14] <penguin42> Dr_willis: in this case in gnucash there are accounts and under that subaccounts, you click on a > that turns around via 90 when it's open
[18:18] <jeremiah_> why does a file brake when i mark to install it in synaptic?
[18:22] <atpa8a> grrrr
[18:36] <codencrazy> I'm having a problem with my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS install, the X graphical interface was working great, but the grub boot menu and virtual console was not, I'd get a monitor out of range error. I went and tried to change the gfx mode in `/etc/default/grub` based off a post from super-user, http://superuser.com/questions/66428/how-can-i-change-console-shells-resolution-in-ubuntu-9-10 and ran an `update-grub` and
[18:36] <codencrazy> rebooted.
[18:36] <foobArrr> awn battery applet is in powertop's top10. oh the irony ...
[18:38] <codencrazy> Everything in virtual console, all 6 sessions and GRUB, is working great now. But, now, X doesn't launch, when I hit ALT+CTRL+F7 everything looks ok, and it says `[OK]` all the way down the list. Any ideas?
[18:39] <jeremiah_> Dr_willis, so do you know why when i want to install certain packages brake when i want to install it.
[18:39] <Dr_willis> not really, try installing it via cli. see what errors show up
[18:40] <jeremiah_> Dr_willis, and how is that done? (don't know much about ubuntu yet)
[18:40] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install whatever
[18:40] <Dr_willis> !apt
[18:49] <atpa8a> hmm
[18:50] <codencrazy> anyone? I'm sitting dead in the water, I ran dmesg, I don't see anything alarming
[18:51] <seria-mau> does jupiter (applet to control super hybrid engine on eeepc) work on precise? are there better alternatives?
[18:51] <seria-mau> codencrazy, installer freezing?
[18:51] <codencrazy> ubuntu is already installed, I started it first time, it ran great
[18:51] <codencrazy> went to go to virtual console to configure apache, hit alt ctrl F1, boom, nothing, monitor out of range
[18:52] <codencrazy> I said well, that sucks, I changed the GFX mode resolution, and ran an update-grub, and rebooted
[18:52] <codencrazy> hit alt ctrl f1 and console came up fine
[18:52] <codencrazy> but X never loaded, I hit alt ctrl f7, and I get nothing
[18:52] <codencrazy> if I go back to the default grub configuration, I have no grub, and no console
[18:52] <codencrazy> but I have X
[18:54] <markit> hi, previous than 12.04, I put default settings in /etc/kde4 files and new users will enherited from those files setting. Now does not happen anymore, even if /etc/kde4 is in $ kde4-config --path config, any clue?
[18:54] <codencrazy> I didn't think GFX_MODE impacted X's resolution, but apparently changing GFX_MODE for the virtual console and for grub, so I can actually see them, is messing up X
[18:54] <codencrazy> that's why I was curious if I had missed something
[18:54] <Dr_willis> codencrazy,  you could try disabling the framebuffer totally
[18:54] <Dr_willis> codencrazy,  ive seen where the framebuffer settings and X drivers can conflict
[18:59] <edgy> Hi, I used to click activities -> search and launch and have nice icons on the desktop, now I don't, what's gone wrong?
[19:01] <codencrazy> Dr_willis, heh, disabling the framebuffer wiped everything, no X, or console now, getting a monitor out of range error
[19:01] <codencrazy> the monitor doesn't have 640x480 or 800x600 as valid resolutions is the problem
[19:01] <codencrazy> its minimum resolution is 1024x768
[19:02] <Dr_willis> codencrazy,  lcd monitor?
[19:02] <codencrazy> yea
[19:02] <Dr_willis> thats an odd monitor.
[19:02] <Dr_willis> I always enable the text mode menu for grub. and disable the framebuffer
[19:03] <codencrazy> it's a 60" lcd television technically
[19:03] <Dr_willis> using hdmi or vga conector?
[19:04] <codencrazy> it has hdmi only, no vga on it
[19:04] <Dr_willis> cant say ive ever had similer issues.
[19:05] <codencrazy> me either, which is why I'm scratching my head
[19:05] <Dr_willis> most hdmi systems i plug into just work great. :) sometimes the overscan is wrong..
[19:05] <Artemis3> codencrazy, what does it do if you comment out GFX_MODE? it works?
[19:06] <Artemis3> codencrazy, and what video card?
[19:06] <codencrazy> Artemis3, if I comment out GFX_MODE X works fine, but my virtual console and grub give me a monitor out of range error
[19:06] <codencrazy> it's an nvidia 6150se
[19:06] <Artemis3> codencrazy, ok, then, comment it out, and instead add this magic line :)  GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
[19:11] <codencrazy> Artemis3, you're a genius, virtual console works, x works
[19:11] <Artemis3> codencrazy, also, are you using nvidia drivers from jockey? Last time i tried a GFX_MODE line (+ text) it worked
[19:11] <Dr_willis> i alwyas use that text option. :)
[19:11] <codencrazy> Artemis3, grub doesn't, but no biggie, I'm only using one entry right now anyways
[19:11] <Dr_willis> guess i wasent clear enoguh earlier when suggesting that.
[19:11] <Artemis3> hmm but it would be good to have a working grub menu just in case
[19:11] <codencrazy> Artemis3, yes using the nvidia drivers from jockey
[19:12] <dubaco> Ett problem utan lösning inträffade vid beräkning av uppgraderingen:
[19:12] <dubaco> Paketet "ubuntu-desktop" är markerat för borttagning men det är svartlistat för att förhindra borttagning.
[19:12] <dubaco>  
[19:12] <dubaco> in ubuntu 12
[19:12] <Artemis3> codencrazy, if you enter the grub console you might get other resolutions, perhaps one of those should do?
[19:12] <codencrazy> Dr_willis, I disabled the framebuffer using nofb, was that the wrong way to do it? is that what Artemis3 just did?
[19:12] <Artemis3> codencrazy, also did you try ommiting that vt thingie and splash etc?
[19:13] <bazhang> !se | dubaco
[19:13] <dubaco> i know
[19:13] <dubaco> bazhang, its an ubuntu 12.04 thing
[19:13] <bazhang> so english here dubaco
[19:14] <Dr_willis> text option for grub = sets the text mode for grub.. framebuffer is setting for the console. I normally use both options
[19:14] <Dr_willis> text based grub menu, text based console. :)
[19:14] <codencrazy> Artemis3, no i havent yet, change splash to nosplash? or just omit it entirely? and I don't have a vt thingie that I know of, or don't know how to recognize it, I'm still...semi-noob
[19:15] <Dr_willis> i always do 'noquiet nosplash nofb'
[19:15] <codencrazy> Artemis3, I know my way around, but not familiar with everything yet as I could be
[19:15] <Artemis3> omit, splash if for pretty logo, and vt.7 thingie for pretty background...
[19:15] <Artemis3> well no also works i guess
[19:16] <codencrazy> Artemis3, where would I find the vt.7 thingie? I don't see anything in /etc/default/grub that mentions vt
[19:16] <ironhalik> guy, got a little problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/916435/
[19:16] <Artemis3> ah good then :)
[19:16] <Dr_willis> I thought theres some default option to switch to vt.7 in the kernel options in /etc/default/grub
[19:17] <Artemis3> it is vt.handoff=7 i think
[19:17] <Dr_willis> not sure what it really does. i think it makes the animation look better by switching to that tty early in the boot process
[19:17] <Dr_willis> Artemis3,  that looks like it.
[19:17] <codencrazy> still no grub, using noquiet, nosplash, nofb
[19:17] <Dr_willis> if you are doing a 'text' console only boot. i recall needing to remove that.
[19:17] <Artemis3> it paints a pretty colored background, or tries to...
[19:17] <Dr_willis> codencrazy,  those would not affect grub.
[19:18] <Dr_willis> those are kernel options. after grub is loaded  for the kernel to use when booting up
[19:18] <Artemis3> purple i think
[19:18] <Dr_willis> Hot Pink. :)
[19:19] <Artemis3> http://askubuntu.com/questions/32999/what-is-vt-handoff-7-parameter-in-grub-cfg
[19:19] <Artemis3> that
[19:20] <Artemis3> "aubergine"
[19:21] <arand> dubaco's Error message would translates to: «« An unrecoverable error occured while calculating the upgrade: Package "ubuntu-desktop" is marked for removal butit is blacklisted to prevent removal »»
[19:22] <codencrazy> I did edit my 00_header and added two lines, from a suggestion on a forum, setgfxpayload=keep
[19:22] <Artemis3> dubaco, just prepend LANG=C before executing console commands, it will show english messages, eg: LANG=C apt-get update
[19:22] <codencrazy> and insmod ${GRUB_VIDEO_BACKEND}
[19:22] <arand> dubaco: Is this a standard upgrade of 12.04 or is an 11.10->12.04 release-upgrade?
[19:27] <atpa8a> hmm
[19:29] <atpa8a> i've a somewhat complicated network config... and something doesn't allow me to restart networking
[19:30] <atpa8a> anyone wants to see it? :P
[19:31] <guntbert> !pastebin | atpa8a
[19:32] <atpa8a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916460/
[19:34] <guntbert> atpa8a: somewhat complicated :)
[19:34] <atpa8a> i cannot even change the order... define eth0 before br0
[19:34] <ironhalik> ok, it gets kinda annoying
[19:34] <ironhalik> bash claims that theres 'no such file or directory' for android adb
[19:34] <guntbert> its definitely beyond my abilities
[19:35] <ironhalik> when it worked yesterday, and ofcourse, clearly is in $PATH
[19:35] <softcoder> is this the right channel for bug discussion of precise?
[19:35] <Artemis3> hmm i think that would be launchpad itself ;)
[19:35] <atpa8a> ironhalik: never had problems with adb...
[19:36] <softcoder> sure, just wanted to ask a question
[19:36] <ironhalik> atpa8a: well, me neither - it suddenly stopped worked just now
[19:36] <guntbert> !bug | softcoder
[19:36] <arand> softcoder: Possibly, although #ubuntu-bugs might be more bug-meta related, this is a support channel, kinda
[19:36] <softcoder> ok
[19:37] <atpa8a> heh :)
[19:37] <atpa8a> is there #ubuntu-networking?..
[19:37] <atpa8a> ironhalik: isn't adb a script itself?
[19:37] <ironhalik> atpa8a: dunno, it is executable, and it always worked
[19:37] <atpa8a> might be it complains about some other dependency
[19:38] <atpa8a> ironhalik: file `which adb`
[19:38] <ironhalik> which adb
[19:38] <ironhalik> /opt/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools/adb
[19:38] <rrva> hi! How do I set the only sink to be my TV over hdmi when that cable is connected and how do I force it to be 48khz? I have crackling audio now
[19:39] <rrva> and I cannot make it auto-choose output depending on if the cable is attached or not
[19:39] <guntbert> ironhalik: no, type it verbatim
[19:39] <atpa8a> ironhalik: file `which adb`
[19:39] <Dr_willis> backticks are fun
[19:39] <atpa8a> file is a command and backticks
[19:40] <Dr_willis>  file /opt/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools/adb
[19:40] <ironhalik> sec, I think Im onto something
[19:40] <ironhalik> file /opt/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools/adb
[19:40] <ironhalik> /opt/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools/adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped
[19:41] <ironhalik> how can I install x86 binaries?
[19:41] <rrva> Dr_willis: backticks are discouraged. Use $() instead, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9405478/command-substitution-backticks-or-dollar-sign-paren-enclosed
[19:42] <penguin42> booh! I've used `'s for over 20 years!
[19:43] <rrva> penguin42: you can make the transition, even if it feels hard
[19:43] <penguin42> ironhalik: You need to install some i386 libraries for it - try installing the package libncurses5:i386 for a start
[19:45] <penguin42> rrva: The arguments on there are somewhat bogus on the standability front - readability possibility valid
[19:45] <ironhalik> ok, kinda brute force, but I installed wine with all its i386 dependancies
[19:45] <ironhalik> and adb works now
[19:46] <ironhalik> thanks
[19:46] <penguin42> ironhalik: No problem
[19:46] <rrva> penguin42: nesting?
[19:47] <penguin42> rrva: Yeh that's probably fair enough
[19:48] <rrva> i need to force sound to be resampled to 48khz when i got the hdmi cable in. And I need to make hdmi the only sound output when the cable is attached. I bet this stuff works on osx
[19:49] <penguin42> rrva: You should be able to do it with an appropriate pulseaudio config
[19:49] <penguin42> rrva: In actualfact I'd be kind of surprised it doesn't do that by default
[19:50] <rrva> it doesnt.. i have crackling which indicates 44.1khz problem
[19:50] <rrva> and its not auto-activated
[19:50] <penguin42> rrva: Do a pactl info   that should show you the default sample rates and setup
[19:50] <penguin42> rrva: All of that stuff is tweakable in PA
[19:50] <rrva> okj
[19:50] <rrva> it says default 44.1
[19:52] <atpa8a> no takers for network config?..
[19:53] <ZardoZ>  Hi, I recently migrated to Xubuntu 12.04 and overall it's already working quite well. However: logging into an account (via the lightdm) takes a very long time. Does anyone have a suggestion what to check?
[19:55] <ZardoZ> Same issue with starting up synaptic via the menu. Starting synaptic via a terminal works fine.
[20:00] <rrva> penguin42: 48khz did not stop crackle over hdmi
[20:01] <blm14> hey there
[20:01] <blm14> anyone awake?
[20:02] <ldiamond> Hi, I'm running the install, updating from 10.10. It's been stuck on "Removing conflicting operating system files..." for the past couple of hours. Wtf?
[20:03] <micahg> 10.10 -> 12.04 is only supported through 11.04 and 11.10
[20:03] <ldiamond> Why was it an option then?
[20:03] <blm14> I'm in a similar situation as diamond
[20:03] <ldiamond> and what do I do then?
[20:03] <blm14> I have a 10.04 machine
[20:03] <blm14> and I want to upgrade
[20:03] <blm14> so I got a new drive
[20:03] <ldiamond> LTS -> LTS not supported?
[20:03] <blm14> threw it in there
[20:03] <ldiamond> odd...
[20:04] <blm14> but the new installer wont let me pick /dev/sdd
[20:04] <blm14> even though gparted sees the drive
[20:04] <guntbert> ldiamond: 10.10 was no lTS
[20:04] <Zoffix_> Hey. Just installed 12.04, and I'm trying to setup dual monitors. Everything works, except my second monitor doesn't have a window manager running. Not even sure how to start one. It's just all white, and I can right click and create new folders/files. Any idea how I go about fixing this?
[20:04] <blm14> and I can mount the partition that I created
[20:04] <ldiamond> guntbert, I'm refering to what blm14 said.
[20:05] <blm14> my bad - I read yours as 10.04
[20:06] <ldiamond> anyways, will force reboot, this is crap.
[20:06] <ldiamond> hello corrupted filesystem!
[20:06] <ldiamond> better not have screwed up with my windows partition
[20:06] <ldiamond> and home partition
[20:07] <rrva> i'm gonna try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/PreciseJackDetectionTesting
[20:08] <ldiamond> Someone care to report a bug?
[20:08] <ldiamond> Option to upgrade from 10.10 is displayed but not working and not supported?
[20:08] <guntbert> !bug | ldiamond
[20:08] <guntbert> ldiamond: where was that option displayed?
[20:09] <ldiamond> "Upgrade from 10.10"
[20:09] <guntbert> ldiamond: in 10.10?
[20:09] <ldiamond> in the 12.04 installation
[20:10] <ldiamond> from the live install session
[20:10] <ldiamond> running from a usb dungle
[20:10] <guntbert> ldiamond: the installation will never provide "upgrades"  (as far as I know)
[20:10] <ldiamond> well, it does.
[20:11] <Zoffix_> Yeah, it does, when it gives option to setup partitions.
[20:11] <Zoffix_> s/when/before/
[20:11] <ldiamond> ^
[20:12] <ldiamond> good, didn't mess with my win partition
[20:12] <ldiamond> I guess I'll go with manual partitioning...
[20:13] <ldiamond> I've got a home partition so...
[20:13] <guntbert> ldiamond: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes clearly states the supported paths  - are you certain that you didn't misinterpret the wording?
[20:15] <ldiamond> ugh, screwed up my system.
[20:15] <ldiamond> drops me in busybox now
[20:17] <zoffix_> Hm... What's the default window manager now? With the default install of 12.04 I mean...
[20:21] <ldiamond> guntbert, can't give you the exact wording anymore. It fucked up my 10.10 install and it's not detecting it anymore.
[20:21] <bazhang> ldiamond, no cursing please
[20:22] <zoffix_> hehe
[20:22] <micahg> blm14: 10.04 -> 12.04 is supported
[20:22] <guntbert> ldiamond: I as person don't need the exact wording - sorry for you - but before the drop it will tell you why...
[20:22]  * zoffix_ is going from 10.04 -> 12.04, but is doing fresh install.
[20:27] <ldiamond> Still getting "Removing conflicting operating system files" though I'm going through a clean install and formatted /
[20:28] <Zoffix> :/
[20:32] <Zoffix> So... are there a lot of Ubuntu viruses?
[20:32] <pangolin> no
[20:33] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:33] <penguin42> Zoffix: There are trojans and worms on Linux - they're pretty rare
[20:33] <FernandoMiguel> enjoy your Easter everyone
[20:33] <Zoffix> Hm.
[20:33] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I try and wait until the eggs are on discount in a few days time :-)
[20:33] <FernandoMiguel> anyone know why ubuntu-bug linux won't allow me report bugs ?
[20:33] <Zoffix> Was just wondering whether I should install that "clamov" antivirus...
[20:33] <FernandoMiguel> it states packages are 3rd party
[20:34] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: You running the daily/mainline build?
[20:34] <FernandoMiguel> afaict the only one I have there is the stupid/rant  wifi stuff
[20:34] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: stock repo kernel
[20:34] <FernandoMiguel> the very last one
[20:34] <penguin42> hmm odd
[20:34] <FernandoMiguel> was trying to report failure to reboot/shutdown
[20:34] <FernandoMiguel> we now have over 40 DELL E5520 running 12.04
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> 40 more coming Monday, and 40 more next next Monday
[20:35] <Zoffix> cool
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> it sucks to have users complaining of fail to shutdown
[20:35] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Cool - there are various kernel parameters to how to shutdown
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> also, the disk utility is complaining of miss aligned....
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> I though that only applied to SSDs, but those have 500GBs HDD
[20:35] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: are they 4K sectored?
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: I have one of those machines, and it works 8 out of 10
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: no idea :\ have to check on Monday
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> it was stock dell FreeDos
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> I set GPT and EFI on mine and cloned them 39 times
[20:36] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: If they're not 4k sectored I'd ignored the alignment
[20:37] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: And how far does it get at shutdown?
[20:37] <FernandoMiguel> need to file a bug on clonezilla for not fixing fstab for swap :\
[20:37] <FernandoMiguel> depends a lot
[20:37] <FernandoMiguel> on some, up to 2 little circles on the screen :p
[20:37] <FernandoMiguel> REISUB doesn't seem to work on those laptops either
[20:38] <FernandoMiguel> might be a BIOS/UEFI setting to access the FN keys
[20:38] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I wonder if you can kill the shutdown graphics and watch it shutdown at the command line
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> but for now, I really need to address the shutdown...  next the alignement, since some complain about performance issues on VirtualBox
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> we are planned to grow up to 400 devs
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> thats' a lot of ppl running Ubuntu :)
[20:39] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: What you doing?
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> I want them Happy
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> I'm the lead SysAdmin
[20:39] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Well, with 400 users some will never be happy!
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> we are 94 as of today
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> with over 50 running stock Ubuntu 12.04 beta2
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> some mac, and very few Windows
[20:40] <penguin42> nod
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> and even some of those have now changed to Linux :p
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> so YAY
[20:41] <FernandoMiguel> but many of you can understand how a single common and serious bug on all this machines can affect the balance of all those deploys
[20:41] <markgifford> I have precise beta 2 and unity 5.8. I don't seem to be able to turn off certain icons on the top panel (e.g. Bluetooth) despite seeing blog posts a month back saying it's now possible. is this something i should wait for 5.10 and hope it's fixed?
[20:42] <FernandoMiguel> I'll have to deal with MSFT licencing some where along the line
[20:42] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: when it locks, I cant kill anything :(
[20:42] <FernandoMiguel> I'll try too SSH in and debug further
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> but time isn't a lo, and have apport no allow me to file bugs is a nuisance
[20:43] <ldiamond> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/946663
[20:43] <blm14> I just got a new drive, threw it into my old machine which was running 10.04, booted from a flash drive with the 12.04 image on it, ran gparted to format the new drive, and now the installer won't let me select it. What gives?
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> anyone using apt-p2p ??
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> can't seem to get it work as *I* expected it to work
[20:45] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: As I say I'd try it at a command line or see if you can kill the shutdown graphics to see where it fries; the other thing you might try is alt-sysrq-o (not tried it) but that's supposed to shut a system off hard
[20:45] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: restart the installer or even the PC... it failed to scan the disk
[20:45] <FernandoMiguel> maybe the disk controller is slow :\
[20:45] <blm14> I've done that several times already
[20:45] <blm14> I've even booted with my two old drives disconnected
[20:45] <blm14> :-/
[20:45] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: no response to any of the REISUB combinations
[20:45] <blm14> it's a dual core xeon, pretty sure the controller is not the problem
[20:45] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: REISUB?
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: make a new disk table partition
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> http://kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
[20:46] <blm14> from gparted?
[20:46] <blm14> how do I do that?
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: ^^^^
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: let me open here
[20:46] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Yeh never heard it called REISUB before
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: Device>Create
[20:46] <spaceneedle> When I log into gnome classic--the unity launcher is present.
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: it's the full command for proper shutdown
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> spaceneedle: welcome to 12.04
[20:47] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Well, that's actually not that proper -  especially if you do those fast
[20:47] <blm14> ok I did the default partition table
[20:48] <blm14> and am now creating a primary ext4 with the whole disk
[20:48] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: I always do them WAY too fast
[20:48] <blm14> ok /dev/sdd1 created
[20:48] <blm14> ext4
[20:48] <blm14> opening installer
[20:49] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Never hurts to do the sync, wait a few secs, do it again, wait a few secs
[20:49] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[20:49] <FernandoMiguel> I'm tooooo used to SSDs
[20:49] <FernandoMiguel> those sync fast or don't sync at all
[20:49] <spaceneedle> It is hard to find/grab the grab handle  when using MYUNITY to select a theme or icon set.
[20:49] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Anyway, that's what journaled filesystems are for :-)
[20:50] <blm14> YES!
[20:50] <blm14> now it sees dev sdd1
[20:50] <blm14> I dont know why creating a new partition table would matter
[20:50] <blm14> but that did it
[20:50] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: :D
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: diff formats
[20:51] <blm14> actually that makes sense
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> wait till you have to mess with GPT and UEFI
[20:51] <blm14> this drive came from a NAS
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> took me a good 2h to get it done
[20:51] <blm14> which probably did some bizarre partition tables
[20:51] <FernandoMiguel> I was soooo hoping something as fresh as 12.04 would take of that for me :(
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> but no, I had to do partitions by hand, get grub source,  and compile on a live usb :(
[20:52] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Ouch!
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> that's why I cloned all those machines
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> instead of letting folks install anything they wanted
[20:53] <blm14> now I get to have fun migrating over all my old stuff
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> I would not feel good having ppl take 2h reading on how to install grub-efi
[20:53] <blm14> like 7 years of email in evolution
[20:53] <blm14> yay!
[20:53] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: DO they all play nicely having done that?
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: ?
[20:53] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Oh things having the same UUID for everything, same names on avahi etc if you're not careful
[20:54] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: One trick you might want to do is add your own key and repo to them all and then have your own package built with random config and fixes
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: luckly clonezilla takes care of most
[20:54] <penguin42> ah, not used it
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> even stuff like removing devices udevs
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> but it missed swap :/
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> I'll file the bug tonigh
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: not a bad idea!
[20:54] <FernandoMiguel> ill see how to build my own metapackage
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> and how to push it to a PPA
[20:55] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Be careful though; that'll let you break all 200 machines simultaneously :-)
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> isn't that FUN?!
[20:55] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: How long did you say you had been lead sysadmin ? :-)
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> all my life, actually
[20:56] <penguin42> ah :-)
[20:56] <blm14> fernando - do you deal with any HIPAA systems?
[20:56] <blm14> all my servers have patient data
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> although I've worked in bigger teams where I was focused on just an area of the team
[20:56] <blm14> AND experimental drug stuff
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> like my last job, where I was moneky web admin
[20:56] <blm14> so I have HIPAA, 45 CFR and 21 CFR 11
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: no
[20:56] <blm14> lucky you
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> I work for Rocket Internet
[20:56] <blm14> I have to encrypt everything :(
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> we just push out sites clones
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> the only thing I have to worry is about my SSH key lol
[20:57] <FernandoMiguel> everything else I "cloud"
[20:57] <penguin42> blm14: Yeh my employer requires encryption
[20:58] <blm14> read this: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=11&showFR=1
[20:59] <blm14> and cringe in phear
[20:59]  * FernandoMiguel clicks
[20:59] <ldiamond> How long can it be to "get the time from a network time server..." ?
[20:59] <ldiamond> been 10mins...
[20:59] <blm14> diamond are you behind a firewall
[20:59] <blm14> may be blocking that traffic ;)
[20:59] <ldiamond> of course I am
[20:59] <ldiamond> behind a router
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: question: did you read it all ? :p
[21:00] <blm14> fernando
[21:00] <blm14> yes
[21:00] <blm14> please, that regulation is TINY
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> ehe did you even get it all ?
[21:00] <blm14> compared to others
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> so that's it all ?
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[21:00] <blm14> yes
[21:00] <blm14> the systems that I build have to comply with it
[21:00] <blm14> full audit logs
[21:00] <blm14> electronic signatures
[21:01] <blm14> if someone asks me today "on january 21st, 2005, person XXX logged into your system, I want to see every piece of data they touched, with old and new values" I have to produce it
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo time ntpdate -v pt.pool.ntp.org
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel>  5 Apr 22:01:14 ntpdate[26664]: ntpdate 4.2.6p3@1.2290 Tue Mar  6 15:36:36 UTC 2012 (1)
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel>  5 Apr 22:01:14 ntpdate[26664]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel> Command exited with non-zero status 1
[21:01] <FernandoMiguel> 0.00user 0.00system 0:00.16elapsed 2%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 4464maxresident)k
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> ldiamond: pretty fast here
[21:03] <ldiamond> FernandoMiguel, same for me. Except the installer is stuck on that...
[21:03] <blm14> I cant wait to install gnome shell
[21:03] <blm14> god I hate unity
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> meh
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> I like it now
[21:03] <ldiamond> is gnome shell really better?
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> took me 3 cycles
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> and a lot of tinkering with Compiz
[21:04] <ldiamond> gosh, you can't even have the widgets on the top panel...
[21:04] <blm14> there are a few much more compiz-ey things in shell that i like way more than unity
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> ldiamond: true
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> miss traffic one
[21:05] <blm14> wow 12.04 is on kernel 3.20?!
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> yes
[21:05] <blm14> that is teh crazy
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> LTS
[21:05] <blm14> I remember running kernel 1.X on slackware in the 90s
[21:05] <blm14> lol
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> I don't
[21:05] <blm14> package management used to be such a bitch
[21:05] <penguin42> blm14: I also remember the 80 floppies it took to install it :-)
[21:06] <epod> Hi, when I run padsp, I get the following error: "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libpulsedsp.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored."  I'm on 12.04 beta 2 on 64bit.  Does anyone know what might be going on?
[21:06] <epod> same error occurs if I try to use aoss
[21:06] <blm14> floppies!? I still have a reel-to-reel on RS-232 interface somewhere in a closet
[21:06] <FernandoMiguel> blm14: look at all those aptitude bugs on LP and debian.. it still is :)
[21:06] <jtaylor> epod: why do you set LD_PRELOAD?
[21:06] <epod> jtaylor, I didnt
[21:06] <penguin42> blm14: I'd assumed you'd toggled it in by hand on the front panel
[21:06] <epod> this is a fresh install
[21:06] <blm14> hahahaha
[21:06] <blm14> yeah like with punch cards
[21:07] <epod> jtaylor, so whatever LD_PRELOAD is set was a default.
[21:07] <blm14> "Please to calculate the first 256 digits of pi nao, tnx"
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> epod: we now have MultiArch
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> use gdebi instead
[21:07] <epod> FernandoCueva, I'm using it.  Fresh install.
[21:07] <FernandoCueva> epod, woot?
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> eheh
[21:07] <jtaylor> epod: does libpulsedsp.so exist?
[21:07] <epod> Huh? gdebi? Look, I installed 20 mins ago, tried to run padsp, got that error.  I have changed anything.  Thats why I came here to ask?
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> missed tab FernandoCueva
[21:07] <epod> jtaylor, indeed it does
[21:08] <blm14> ok time to reboot
[21:08] <blm14> fingers crossed
[21:08] <jtaylor> epod: can you paste an ldd of it please
[21:08] <epod> jtaylor, okay one sec
[21:10] <atpa8a> hmm
[21:10] <epod> jtaylor, http://pastebin.com/45Y2Ndrb
[21:10] <atpa8a> what's with all the -heimdal packages?
[21:10] <atpa8a> did ubuntu switch from mit to heimdal krb5?
[21:11] <jtaylor> epod: are you trying to start a setuid binary with it?
[21:11] <epod> jtaylor, unfortunately I have no idea what any of that output of ldd means, but hopefully you do
[21:11] <epod> jtaylor, uh i don't think so no.  it's just postal2.  let me check to make sure.
[21:12] <epod> epod@concordat:~/games/postal$ ls -al postal2awp
[21:12] <epod> -rwxr-xr-x 1 epod epod 1625 Mar 15 03:13 postal2awp
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> I wonder why my Unity bar tuned bluish
[21:12] <epod> jtaylor, I don't believe it'd be setuid?
[21:13] <atpa8a> FernandoMiguel: it's dying
[21:13] <jtaylor> epod: file postal2awp please
[21:13] <epod> jtaylor, it's a script, I'm checking the binary it runs.  One moment
[21:14] <Myrtti> FernandoMiguel: what colour background do you have on your desktop?
[21:14] <Myrtti> FernandoMiguel: unity bar takes its colourtone from that
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> Myrtti: it's one of the default wallpapers , the grass one
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> I noticed we got an update of the wallpapers package
[21:15] <epod> jtaylor, hmm, padsp vlc is working, so it may be the app at issue. checking the file it runs.  one sec
[21:15] <edoceo> I'm using  1.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, seems like some of the roms that were present in 0.15 are not there?
[21:15] <jtaylor> epod: I'm guessing its a 32 bit application?
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  317K Abr  5 20:04 ubuntu-wallpapers_0.34.0_all.deb
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2,4M Abr  5 20:03 ubuntu-wallpapers-precise_0.34.0_all.deb
[21:15] <epod> jtaylor, yeah more than likely.
[21:16] <epod> jtaylor, and I *do* have multiarch installed
[21:16] <jtaylor> you need a 32 bit libpulsedsp.so then too
[21:16] <epod> jtaylor, okay, how do I get me one of those?
[21:16] <jtaylor> epod: apt-get install libpulsedsp:i386 might work
[21:18] <epod> jtaylor, it did, perfectly, thanks!  I thought I'd taken care of everything by installing multiarch.  Guess not! :)
[21:18] <jtaylor> epod: you can't "install multiarch"
[21:18] <FernandoMiguel> ok
[21:18] <FernandoMiguel> that sucks
[21:18] <jtaylor> you can only install multiarched packages :)
[21:18] <FernandoMiguel> the wallpaper update
[21:18] <FernandoMiguel> removed my old beloved one
[21:19] <FernandoMiguel> so it defaulted to something strange and messed with Unity bar
[21:19] <zoffix> So I installed KDE, and the second monitor works fine. Unity--
[21:20] <epod> Okay, one other thing, purely cosmetic.  I installed the AMD drivers, and now I have text only mode on boot/shutdown.  Is there any way to get the nice graphical boot/shutdown screens back?
[21:20] <zoffix> I'm freaking out though... I go to Disk Manager to start my RAID array (two disks, mirror), but it tells me "not enough components". I do see the two disks in disk manager. Any idea?
[21:25] <FernandoMiguel>  Package shared-color-targets isn't available
[21:25] <FernandoMiguel> meh
[21:26] <zoffix> Never mind..     This worked: sudo apt-get install mdadm; sudo mdadm --assemble --scan;
[21:27] <atpa8a> grrr
[21:27] <atpa8a> xen no worky
[21:28] <atpa8a> oh... worky with previous kernel
[21:28] <atpa8a> interesting...
[21:28] <atpa8a> 3.2.0-20-generic
[21:36] <Aprogas> I'm trying to get my Linksys WUSB600Nv2 recognized under Kubuntu 12.04. The device shows up in lsusb but not in ifconfig/iwconfig. Manually loading rt2800usb does not alter this. When booting a Fedora 16 LiveCD the device *is* recognized though under the rt2800usb driver.
[21:37] <Aprogas> I have read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys%20WUSB600N which has instructions on how to alter the Ralink driver and compile it yourself, yet it says it doesn't work on 11.04 and that the 2.5.0.0 Ralink driver (which is the one on their website) causes kernel oopses.
[21:47] <FernandoCueva> I have an issue
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> sup
[22:10] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:11] <atpa8a> any idea what's the deal with /usr/share/qemu-linaro instead of /usr/share/qemu?
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> how do you mean?
[22:13] <atpa8a> used to /usr/share/qemu
[22:13] <atpa8a> when starting my domUs on 12.04 they're failing because it's not there
[22:13] <atpa8a> but /usr/share/qemu-linaro is there
[22:13] <atpa8a> ln -s  and they work
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> make a symlink maybe
[22:14] <atpa8a> yeah
[22:14] <atpa8a> that's what i did
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> you could report a bug
[22:14] <atpa8a> linaro seems like a project tho...
[22:15] <atpa8a> https://launchpad.net/linaro
[22:17] <atpa8a> https://launchpad.net/qemu-linaro even
[22:20] <penguin42> atpa8a: You should have qemu-kvm installed
[22:20] <penguin42> atpa8a: that is for x86 virtualistion
[22:21] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:22] <atpa8a> penguin42: interesting... the dependencies for xen-hypervisor pulled qemu-keymaps
[22:22] <penguin42> atpa8a: Hmm, the keymaps bits of stuff are probably shared across all the qemu variations at a guess
[22:23] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:23] <atpa8a> if i apt-get purge qemu-keymaps, it doesn't want to uninstall anything else
[22:24] <penguin42> atpa8a: hmm not sure I'm not sure about that; still if you install qemu-kvm it should get you all you need
[22:24] <atpa8a> yup
[22:25] <atpa8a> interesting...
[22:25] <atpa8a> qemu-kvm pulls in a lot of stop
[22:26] <atpa8a> unlike qemu-keymaps...
[22:27] <atpa8a> which i kinda like :)
[22:27] <atpa8a> only question is how to make xen look in the new location
[22:33] <psusi> atpa8a, which are you using, qemu or xen?
[22:34] <atpa8a> xen
[22:34] <psusi> then what's qemu got to do with it?
[22:34] <atpa8a> xen uses qemu
[22:35] <psusi> hrm... I think it borrowed some source code from it for the hvm hardware virtualization, but I don't think it uses it directly
[22:35] <atpa8a> true
[22:36] <atpa8a> and it seems lately it only uses the keymaps
[22:36] <atpa8a> hence the switch to qemu-keymaps instead of qemu-kvm package
[22:37] <atpa8a> qemu-keymaps creates /usr/share/qemu-linaro instead of /usr/share/qemu
[22:37] <atpa8a> ln -s solved the problems
[22:38] <atpa8a> hmm
[22:38] <atpa8a> qemu-utils as well
[22:38] <atpa8a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916690/
[22:43] <Myrtti> hm. My clock thingie on the omnibar has vanished somewhere
[22:43] <penguin42> atpa8a: Where did you get the xen packages from?
[22:43] <psusi> I don't see qemu anything listed in the deps for the xen packages...
[22:43]  * penguin42 notes I should have read xen again and of course qemu-kvm is for kvm!
[22:44] <psusi> of course, I'm on oneiric, so maybe it changed in precise
[22:50] <glosoli> Anyone got an idea what can be wrong with new install and fully upgraded with Ubuntu Beta 2 that Gnome SHell uses cpu 20 percentage all the time
[22:54] <Aprogas> An idea sure, but nothing to back it up: Gnome Shell might not depend on events/interrupts and have a "while 1" main loop with a short sleep, i.e. program just keeps running at full speed even when there is nothing to do.
[22:56] <glosoli> Aprogas, I get strange
[22:56] <glosoli> version for catalyst
[22:56] <glosoli> it says 2.14
[23:01] <CJKay> Oh boy. 1.7GB of updates. Could be here a while
[23:01] <glosoli> ah a lot of updates here too, maybe will fix my problems
[23:01] <glosoli> ;D
[23:03] <zoffix> Anyone using quicksynergy on a dual-monitor system?
[23:03] <zoffix> They broke something (or maybe it's my KDE instead of Gnome) and no activating quicksynergy on one monitor, makes both monitors react :S
[23:04] <zoffix> I guess at this point I should be asking "what other apps do the same thing as [quick]synergy" :(
[23:06] <penguin42> zoffix: I'm using quicksynergy between two one monitor systems
[23:07] <zoffix> penguin42, then you probably don't have my problem. If I setup right edge of my right monitor to be connectable by other machine, I can't switch to my left monitor, because its edge also becomes "connectable". Basically two monitors behave as one, as far as quicksynergy is concerned.
[23:07] <zoffix> I didn't have this problem on 10.04 with Gnome...
[23:07]  * zoffix now feels upgrading was a stupid idea.
[23:08] <penguin42> zoffix: Huh, odd
[23:08] <epod> Anyone know how I can get my graphical plymouth back after installing the ATI fglrx drivers?
[23:08] <penguin42> Zoffix: are both of the machines dual monitor?
[23:08] <epod> the text screen is scary and ugly.
[23:08] <Aprogas> Usually in these cases, you have to pretend you are a new user to the tool, instead of relying on old knowledge. Read the docs again, retrace all configuration steps from scratch, and make sure everything is right.
[23:08] <Zoffix> penguin42, no, just my Ubuntu box with quicksynergy. The other one is single-monitor Windows.
[23:08] <Zoffix> Aprogas, makes sense.
[23:08]  * Zoffix does so
[23:10] <penguin42> Zoffix: Can you pastebin your ~/.quicksynergy/synergy.conf ?
[23:11] <penguin42> Zoffix: To be honest synergy is starting to annoy me; I'm having keymapping troubles between this KDE Precise system and a Gnome2 system; but the only other thing I know of (mango-lassi) is hopelessly unstable
[23:13] <Zoffix> penguin42, Right now I have "Up" setup to switch to my second machine. The dual-head Ubuntu box is b-pevstratov-dt, the single-head windows is b-webtest-dt : http://pastebin.com/t8tG3gYU
[23:14] <Zoffix> penguin42, and here is when it's setup the way I want it to work, with right edge of right monitor switching to the windows machine: http://pastebin.com/9j0t2nbd
[23:16] <atpa8a> penguin42: all from precise repos
[23:16] <Zoffix> penguin42, can you paste yourself? I wanna see how it writes down dual-head config in that file.
[23:16] <atpa8a> i try to avoid anything unofficial :)
[23:16] <Zoffix> penguin42, err.. I'm dumb, never mind, you don't have dual head lol
[23:20] <penguin42> Zoffix: Still, it might be useful http://paste.ubuntu.com/916739/
[23:20] <Zoffix> Hm. I backed up my files from when everything was working, and I don't see any reference to "none" displays....
[23:20] <penguin42> Zoffix: The none bit is odd
[23:21] <penguin42> Zoffix: I'd be tempted to edit that out; also if you do    xdpyinfo | grep -i screens   what do you get  - I get 1 and I'd kind of expect dual head also to get 1
[23:23] <Zoffix> penguin42, I just tried running synergy.conf from my old, working setup, but the problem is still there. The xdpyinfo shows me 2 screens.
[23:23] <Zoffix> I think this might be something to do with KDE
[23:25] <Zoffix> Hm. If I run quicksynergy on my left monitor, and set its left edge to be connectable, then everything works awesomely (except of course, that my monitor for window box is on the right:/)
[23:28] <penguin42> Zoffix: It shows you two screens? Can you pastebin the full output of xdpyinfo - and a copy of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?   What graphics hardware do you have?
[23:28] <jeremiah_> why does ubuntu keep freezing for me???
[23:28] <penguin42> (Anyone else know - I thought running multiple screens as far as X goes disappeared years ago?)
[23:30] <Zoffix> penguin42, I'm running using "separate X screens". This way I when I switch workspace on one monitor, the second monitor is unaffected.
[23:31] <Zoffix> penguin42, I'm using Nvidia hardware, this is xdpyinfo: http://pastebin.com/LABmjQRi  and log: http://pastebin.com/hCYVQ438
[23:32] <demonboy> hi guys
[23:32] <demonboy> im having an issue w/ 12.04
[23:32] <penguin42> Zoffix: Were you running separate X screens previously?
[23:33] <Zoffix> welcome to the club
[23:33] <Zoffix> penguin42, yup.
[23:33] <demonboy> lol
[23:33] <jeremiah_> why does ubuntu keep freezing for me???
[23:33] <penguin42> Zoffix: Hmm OK, I've not done that for yonks
[23:33] <demonboy> any news on the web cam/mic issue
[23:33] <Zoffix> penguin42, I think I'
[23:33] <Zoffix> err
[23:33] <penguin42> Zoffix: Did you say you're on KDE?
[23:33] <Zoffix> penguin42, I think I'll just relocate my second monitor and leave it running on the "left edge"... This is my work station, and I should working and not messing with computer systems :)
[23:34] <demonboy> lol i tried seperate x... i gave up
[23:34] <Zoffix> penguin42, yeah, KDE, but previously, when I had it working, it was in gnome
[23:34] <demonboy> my second screen stayed grey and wouldnt let me move windows into it
[23:34] <demonboy> so i trouble shot it and gave up
[23:35] <penguin42> Zoffix: First thing I'd try is removing that none, 2nd thing I'd try is going back to a single X desktop and looking at the options in settings-XMultiple Monitors?
[23:35] <demonboy> so has the proble w/ selecting ur default cam and mic and all tht been fixed yet?
[23:36] <demonboy> or is flash setting still need tht work around?
[23:36] <Zoffix> penguin42, thanks. I already tried without none: (no luck). I'll try the second option you mention on Monday. I'm gonna give up on this for now, still have to finish some work before I leave.
[23:36] <Zoffix> penguin42, thanks for all the help./
[23:36] <demonboy> also i cant play runescape xD
[23:36] <demonboy> it crashes my broswer
[23:37] <demonboy> browser*
[23:37] <demonboy> tht happen to any1 else
[23:38] <glosoli> anyone were getting problems with Gnome Shell 3.4 on UBuntu Precise lately  ? with ati Graphics
[23:38] <penguin42> Zoffix: No problem
[23:39] <demonboy> ... #sudo apt-get upgrade takes AGES!!!
[23:40] <demonboy> its been goin for close to an hour now
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: look into apt-fast :)
[23:40] <demonboy> ?
[23:40] <demonboy> u screwin w/ me....
[23:41] <demonboy> damn it... round 32 died
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: nope, its apt-get + axel
[23:43] <demonboy> nifty
[23:43] <demonboy> hows it speed things up
[23:43] <ironhalik> yeah, but it boosts deb downloads, not repos
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> grabs from 3 sources, not just one
[23:43] <demonboy> cool
[23:43] <demonboy> ill look into it
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> its a script but there is a ppa which adds the bash completion things :)
[23:44] <demonboy> so i have read
[23:45] <demonboy> so any1 know why my browser would crash if i play runescape?
[23:45] <demonboy> its a java based game
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: which java do you use?
[23:45] <demonboy> and at 1st i though oh its cause iced tea isnt installed
[23:45] <Zoffix> demonboy, probably because of that switch to tea/openjdk
[23:46] <ironhalik> wrrrr icedtea
[23:46] <demonboy> *installs iced tea + web plug in*
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: try with oracle java
[23:46] <Zoffix> demonboy, my school's website wouldn't play its applets until I installed the deprecated sun's java....
[23:46] <demonboy> suns java is for IE i though
[23:46] <demonboy> thought*
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> there is no sun java now
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> it's oracle java
[23:47] <demonboy> oracle i would install via command promt?
[23:47] <Zoffix> Um. I'm unsure of the name.
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> !java
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> I use 1.7 via tar.gz and its fine
[23:48] <demonboy> i installed jdk 7
[23:48] <demonboy> earlier
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: did you link it to your browser plugin folder?
[23:48] <demonboy> ...
[23:48] <demonboy> damn idts
[23:48] <demonboy> how would i do this?
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: what browser do you use?
[23:49] <demonboy> chromium
[23:49] <ironhalik> try installing openjdk 7 + icedtea 7, and then use 'update-java-0.5b' script to set which JVM to use
[23:49] <demonboy> i dont like firefox
[23:49] <ironhalik> http://webupd8.googlecode.com/files/update-java-0.5b
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: ok then you need to link it into /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: I hate firefox too
[23:50] <demonboy> how would 1 do so?
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: run:   sudo updatedb; clear; locate libnpjp2.so
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: what is output?
[23:52] <demonboy> updatedb shows nothing
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: it won't
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: its ONE command...
[23:53] <demonboy> nothing is displayed
[23:53] <demonboy> cleared everything
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: try:  locate .so | grep java
[23:55] <penguin42> anyone got the xubuntu installer to work?
[23:56] <demonboy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916764/ <--- output
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: update ubiquity     in the live environment, may help
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: there is no  oracle java there..
[23:58] <demonboy> ik
[23:58] <demonboy> how do i get oracle i asked earlier
[23:58] <demonboy> i installed jdk 7 i think
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-se-jre-7-download-432155.html     grab the  Linux x86 - Compressed Binary