[00:07] <bryceh> anyone know if there's a way in apport hooks to make the bug private?
[01:38] <jbicha> TheMuso: ping
[01:39] <TheMuso> jbicha: pong
[01:39] <jbicha> TheMuso: do you use accerciser?
[01:39] <TheMuso> jbicha: Occasionally yes.
[01:39] <jbicha> TheMuso: does it work in Precise?
[01:39] <TheMuso> For what I need it for, yes.
[01:40] <TheMuso> WHich is usually not much.
[01:40] <jbicha> it's not working here, bug 973842
[01:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 973842 in accerciser "accerciser crashed with ImportError in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/accerciser/icons.py: No module named pyatspi.constants" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973842
[01:41] <TheMuso> jbicha: Oh right, there was a slight issue with a recent pyatspi upload, make sure you have 2.4.0+dfsg-0ubuntu3.
[01:42] <TheMuso> I only uploaded that a few hours ago, but its built and should be published now, if not soon.
[01:53] <jbicha> TheMuso: thanks, it's working better now :)
[01:58] <TheMuso> Great.
[01:58] <TheMuso> and np.
[06:13] <didrocks> good morning
[06:33] <Sweetshark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/915271/comments/61
[06:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 915271 in libreoffice "package libreoffice-core 1:3.4.4-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: rmdir: failed to remove `usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/program/': Directory not empty" [Critical,Fix released]
[06:49] <micahg> Sweetshark: that's bug spam :)
[06:50] <micahg> Sweetshark: you can file a launchpad support request or ask in #launchpad for it to be removed
[07:52] <Sweetshark> micahg: i dont mind it, i find it funny this time around (and the bug is closed anyway).
[07:52] <Sweetshark> micahg: would be different, if there would be more of it.
[08:05] <bkerensa> diwic: In regards to Bug #969621 removing the line does not make the jack work
[08:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 969621 in alsa-driver "[Dell Inspiron N411Z] Headphone Jack will not produce audio but internal will" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/969621
[08:06] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[08:26] <davidcalle> kenvandine, ping
[08:30] <seb128> davidcalle, it's like 4am for him
[08:41] <davidcalle> seb128, good point :)
[08:42] <seb128> davidcalle, while you are around I've read some user comments about the video lens scope being english sources, do you know if that's "translatable"?
[08:44] <davidcalle> seb128, it's not, the list of sources is queried from a server when the scope starts. The server answers a list based on the IP to avoid websites blocked in your region. But that's it, no language support (server side decision, I don't really know why).
[08:45] <seb128> davidcalle, ok, thanks, who is managing the server? online services?
[08:45] <davidcalle> seb128, yes
[08:45] <seb128> davidcalle, thanks
[08:48] <davidcalle> seb128, np
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:29] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[09:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, didrocks. i'm good thanks, how are you?
[09:30] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks ;)
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good, it's friday! :p
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:43] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[11:47] <Sweetshark> http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/04/05/the-document-foundation-announces-libreoffice-3-5-2/
[11:48] <Sweetshark> package is already compiling.
[11:48] <Sweetshark> (first time we catch up with the announcement.)
[11:49] <didrocks> we can see that pitti is on holidays, he only updated one package today :)
[11:49] <seb128> didrocks, well, he replies to some emails as well :p
[11:51] <didrocks> yeah, but only few reply, what's happening. Souds like he really enjoys his holidays to not be more active! :)
[11:52] <seb128> didrocks, I'm wondering if that gtk upload using proposed made me waste 3 bugs to the precise count btw
[11:53] <seb128> while pitti got one which his one upload to precise :p
[11:55] <didrocks> seb128: well, I'll loose some 50 bugs again with the next unity/compiz upload if that can help you feel better :)
[11:56] <seb128> didrocks, we might catch up on you at this rate! ;-)
[11:56] <didrocks> seb128: right, and I find that totally unfair :p
[11:57] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, I know, it's like working on a saturday when others don't ;-)
[11:58] <didrocks> seb128: that's sooooooooooooooooooo easy. What a deception you go to this easy path ;-)
[11:58] <seb128> or friday, or whatever tomorrow is
[11:58] <seb128> didrocks, sorry :p
[13:05] <didrocks> 27 on my 47 test failed on OneConf because my trivial change wasn't that trivial ;)
[13:07] <jibel> could anyone look at bug 966294, it breaks installation of precise on hardware or reassign to ubiquity if you think the problem lies there.
[13:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 966294 in gstreamer0.10 "Ubiquity loops forever from ubiquity_webcam_play" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966294
[13:09] <matsubara> hi there, since ~2 days ago after an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, empathy contact list shows up empty for me. It seems to connect to the network but the contact list is never updated (Here's a screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z692c277mpkormh/sJHYfvVqkX/empty-empathy-contact-list.png). Could someone help me debug this?
[13:12] <dupondje> Some small question about unity. How can I make all 'indication' (like empathy messages and so) show on Primary screen ?
[13:15] <seb128> (it's questions and complain afternoon here?)
[13:15]  * seb128 hides
[13:16] <dupondje> we are testing the new features ;)
[13:16] <seb128> jibel, good luck for finding somebody before the long w.e
[13:16] <seb128> matsubara, try asking on #empathy maybe
[13:16] <seb128> dupondje, try asking on #ubuntu-unity but I don't think there is
[13:17] <matsubara> thanks seb128
[13:18] <matsubara> seb128, hmm there's only one person on that channel. Are you sure that's the right one?
[13:18] <seb128> matsubara, try #telepathy, I though they had a #empathy, maybe it's on irc.gnome.org though
[13:19] <matsubara> thanks!
[13:22] <jibel> seb128, a long w.e that's plenty of time to fix this bug :)
[13:22] <seb128> jibel, nice try ;-)
[13:23] <seb128> jibel, we don't have any gstreamer hacker, it would be better to find somebody to workaround it or make the installer robust to webcam issues
[13:23] <seb128> jibel, I would argue that it's an installer bug in any case it's getting blocked by issues with a webcam
[14:02] <hallyn> oh hey!  i think super key is working for me today!
[14:02] <hallyn> not sure if it's bc of latest updates, or if not having a background changes the timing
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> g'ah. i hate distro patches
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> can we ban them?
[14:43] <hallyn> hm, super-up has stopped workign for maximize
[14:45] <dobey> chrisccoulson: ban everything! :)
[14:46] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: sure, as long as we ban upstreams that don't want to accept ubuntu-specific patches :)
[14:46] <ogra_> didrocks, poke
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, there's normally a good reason for them to not want to accept them ;)
[14:48] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: I'll refrain from commenting on that :)
[14:49] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: can I call you Chris "I like fuzzy firefox fonts" Coulson? :)
[14:53] <kenvandine> jbicha, i am updating your ubuntu-wallpaper branch for precise
[14:54] <didrocks> ogra_: hey hey (sorry, it's becoming more and more pingy here ;))
[14:55] <ogra_> heh
[14:55] <ogra_> didrocks, i was wondering if there is any compiz branch that has the patches from debian/patches applied
[14:56] <didrocks> ogra_: what do you mean? some kind of full source branch?
[14:56] <ogra_> producing the gles patch works fine from bzr brnaches, but i cant apply it as the top level patch in the package since there are the quilt üpatches
[14:56] <ogra_> the quilt üpatches get in my way since it seems the gles patch touches files they touch too
[14:56] <didrocks> ogra_: ah, so it exit 1 on bzr bd-do
[14:56] <didrocks> right?
[14:57] <desrt> seb128: can you backport http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=211392 as a vendor patch and test?
[14:57] <jbicha> kenvandine: thanks, I wasn't going to get to that until tonight
[14:57] <ogra_> well, i dont use bzr b-d atm
[14:57] <seb128> desrt, yes
[14:57] <ogra_> but yes, i get quilt errors
[14:57] <desrt> thanks
[14:57] <kenvandine> jbicha, np
[14:57] <seb128> desrt, yw
[14:57] <didrocks> ogra_: what I tend to do is:
[14:57] <didrocks> ogra_: add the patch in debian/patches
[14:57] <kenvandine> jbicha, i would like a review of my branch though :)
[14:57] <didrocks> not list it in the series file
[14:57] <didrocks> bzr bd-do
[14:58] <didrocks> -> all other patches applies, I'm in a full-source tree
[14:58] <didrocks> then add the patch (in the series files) and refresh/do what is needed
[14:58] <didrocks> exit 1
[14:58] <jbicha> kenvandine: sure
[14:58] <didrocks> oupss
[14:58] <didrocks> exit 0 ;)
[14:58] <ogra_> hmm
[14:58] <ogra_> my prob is that i cant *create* the patch
[14:59] <ogra_> because the quilt patches are out of tree
[14:59] <jbicha> yeah, exit 1 isn't as much fun
[14:59] <didrocks> ogra_: they gave you a source file, not a patch?
[14:59] <ogra_> i have the linaro compiz bzr tree and i have compiz-core
[14:59] <ogra_> i can produce a diff between these trees
[15:00] <didrocks> that should give you what we can call "the linaro patch"
[15:00] <ogra_> but that diff cant be used in the package since the quilt patches inside the package change files the gles patch touches as well
[15:00] <didrocks> (btw, all is conditionnally built, yeah? only applying on armel as we told)
[15:01] <ogra_> well, that will need some more package changes (you made your package a quilt (3.0) paqckage but didnt make any use of --with quilt)
[15:01] <didrocks> ogra_: well, I think they should work on what ubuntu provides and fixing the patch to apply?
[15:01] <ogra_> well, thats me then :(
[15:01] <didrocks> ogra_: why using --with quilt?
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> heh, https://twitter.com/#!/SolihullPolice/status/187917191822327808
[15:01] <didrocks> ogra_: it's a source 3 package
[15:01] <didrocks> no need for that
[15:02] <ogra_> didrocks, else patches you add to debian/patches and the series fiel wont get applied at build time
[15:02] <ogra_> only during unpack
[15:02] <ogra_> which wont help much with arch specific patches ;)
[15:03] <didrocks> ogra_: well, if you use --with-quilt, it will try to apply *again* the patches that were applied at unpack, isn't it?
[15:03] <ogra_> well it is clever enough to not do that ;)
[15:03] <ogra_> the metadata has the info that they are already applied
[15:04] <didrocks> ogra_: but, the unpack knows on which arch it is, right?
[15:04] <didrocks> ogra_: it's not using the arch trick in debian/patches/<arch>.series?
[15:04] <ogra_> not if i cross build ;)
[15:04] <didrocks> or whatever it is, I don't remember :)
[15:04] <didrocks> ogra_: come on! :p
[15:04] <didrocks> ok starts to make sense then ;)
[15:05] <didrocks> ogra_: no worry for those changes then ;)
[15:05] <ogra_> series.arch doesnt work without heavy hacks apparently
[15:05] <didrocks> so, generating the patch…
[15:05] <ogra_> i tried that the last days
[15:05] <didrocks> ogra_: FYI, I'm taking trunk tomorrow
[15:05] <didrocks> yeah, let's do it at build-time then
[15:06] <ogra_> my issue is that i cant create a clean patch since linaro doesnt build off a tree that has the quilt patches applied
[15:06] <didrocks> ogra_: snapshotting, that will remove a big patch we have (the lim stuff)
[15:06] <didrocks> ogra_: so we only have 3 quilt patches right now
[15:07] <ogra_> right
[15:07] <didrocks> ubuntu-config.patch is the configuration, shouldn't matter for this patch
[15:07] <didrocks> ccp_plugin is a 3 lines patch, easy to integrate
[15:07] <didrocks> workaround_broken_drivers as well
[15:07] <didrocks> there is no easy way to reconcile your patch with those ones?
[15:08] <didrocks> (in the bzr bd-do projection)
[15:08] <ogra_> dunno, i think the best way would be if linaro worked off a tree that has the quilt bits applied before they even start to make changes
[15:08] <didrocks> because if you are using two branches that are different and not making the right diff, you can take other fixes that happened in trnk
[15:08] <didrocks> and that already applied
[15:08] <didrocks> right
[15:08] <ogra_> i see no other way to cleanly put our patch on top
[15:09] <didrocks> and in a reliably way
[15:09] <didrocks> they should merge latest trunk
[15:09] <didrocks> (that we will snapshot)
[15:09] <didrocks> ogra_: btw, did you speak with skaet about that? I would prefer her ack seeing that it's happening in the finale freeze week
[15:10] <ogra_> well, she is aware though i think i have to apply it this week
[15:10] <didrocks> ok
[15:18] <kenvandine> jbicha, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-wallpapers/lp-863509-package-old-wallpapers/+merge/100988
[15:29] <Laney> how do you ensure upgraders keep their old wallpaper package installed?
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, we don't and it's an annoying issue
[15:32] <Laney> i can't think how you can do it with package dependencies
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, but not very solvable
[15:32] <Laney> unless they are marked manually installed
[15:32] <Laney> i suppose the release upgrader can do i
[15:32] <Laney> t
[15:32] <seb128> yeah, I wanted to check with mvo
[15:32] <seb128> but he's off this week
[15:34] <kirkland> I'm hoping I just have something mis-configured in my 12.04 desktop
[15:34] <kirkland> but most of the time that I hit alt-tab to switch between applications
[15:34] <kirkland> the unity launcher pops up
[15:34] <kirkland> looks like it's the alt that's triggering that
[15:34] <kirkland> is there *any* way I can fix that?
[15:51] <seb128> kirkland, is that 3d or 2d?
[16:11] <m4n1sh> seb128: there?
[16:12] <seb128> m4n1sh, sort of, why?
[16:12] <m4n1sh> there is a bug logged by someone
[16:12] <m4n1sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/activity-log-manager/+bug/967056
[16:12] <seb128> m4n1sh, there but about to go for some exercice, I've a few minutes though
[16:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967056 in activity-log-manager "The privacy section should be renamed, oneiric users think confidential data is sent because there is no option to inhibit this" [Undecided,New]
[16:12] <m4n1sh> what about this?
[16:13] <seb128> m4n1sh, dunno, try pinging JohnLea or the design guy, or open an ayatana-design component on the bug
[16:13] <m4n1sh> okay
[16:13] <seb128> but the forum guys are just randomly complaining, I'm not sure it makes change to change the lable
[16:14] <m4n1sh> yes. just bringing to your notice
[16:17] <jbicha> kenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/916224/
[16:26] <jbicha> kenvandine: I guess those were actually mistakes in my original merge, it was a pretty big patch though
[16:29] <kenvandine> jbicha, Copyright.txt had been removed in your branch
[16:29] <kenvandine> it was redundant
[16:29] <kenvandine> i thought i had fixed that conflict
[16:29] <seb128> time for exercice, bbiab
[16:31] <jbicha> kenvandine: well it was listed on line 221 of your merge
[16:31] <kenvandine> oh, whoops
[16:45] <kenvandine> jbicha, fixed and pushed again
[16:46] <kirkland> seb128: 2d
[16:51] <gema> didrocks: are you there?
[16:52] <gema> didrocks: is bug 966294 in your radar?
[16:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 966294 in ubiquity "Ubiquity loops forever from ubiquity_webcam_play" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966294
[16:53] <didrocks> gema: see seb128's answer to this a couple of hours ago ^
[16:54] <gema> didrocks: I don't see any answer from him, what's his name?
[16:54] <gema> or better, comment #
[16:58] <gema> seb128: are you working on bug 966294?
[16:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 966294 in ubiquity "Ubiquity loops forever from ubiquity_webcam_play" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966294
[16:59] <gema> didrocks: this bug is a release blocker, from my viewpoint, I don't see any evidence of what we are doing for it
[17:00] <gema> didrocks: but if you guys cannot fix it, the foundations team need to avoid it by removing the camera screen
[17:00] <gema> on the installer
[17:00] <gema> didrocks: I'd like to know your take sooner rather than later
[17:00] <didrocks> gema: you didn't scrollback or look at IRC logs?
[17:00]  * didrocks is already following 6 conversations about unity critical bugs
[17:00] <gema> ah, I thought you meant on the defect
[17:01] <didrocks> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/05/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t13:07
[17:03] <gema> didrocks: it is not an installer bug, cheese doesn't work either in the systems where this installer problem happens
[17:03] <gema> didrocks: so people are not going to be able to use their cameras with precise
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> i'm liking the new wallpapers in precise, except most of them make my launcher look like turd :(
[17:03] <didrocks> gema: as seb128 noticed we don't have people knowing gstreamer
[17:04] <gema> didrocks: ok
[17:04] <gema> didrocks: I will talk to cjwatson then to see what happens with the installer
[17:04] <gema> didrocks: thanks for trying :)
[17:04] <didrocks> gema: sorry for not being much of help ;) (and not being responsive, ETOOMANYPINGS)
[17:05] <gema> didrocks: cannot fix is as good answer as any, not having an answer is the bad part, thanks !
[17:06] <didrocks> gema: yw ;)
[17:06] <cjwatson> sigh - well, nothing from me until after Easter now anyway
[17:06] <cjwatson> I think that's very unfortunate, it's after UI freeze and removing features may be no less bad than trying to add them
[17:08] <cjwatson> we can look next week at making it timeout, although I stand by my comment that that may be not such an unrisky thing to attempt as QA suggests
[17:14] <cjwatson> I should clarify that the webcam screen was a design requirement, not a foundations requirement
[17:15] <cjwatson> (https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/Doc?docid=0AU5sFuLRpCpBZGZra2pqY2pfMTAxZ25rcnBnNXY&hl=en_US&pli=1#_Take_a_picture_55548248461894_7575857748743147)
[17:23] <kenvandine> seb128, when you get back can you take a look at ubuntu-wallpapers? it's in binNEW
[17:23]  * kenvandine goes to get some food
[17:30] <didrocks> ok, time for some exercice, have a nice week-end for those having one, and see you tomorrow for the others :)
[18:03] <seb128> re
[18:04] <seb128> kirkland, 3d works better for that, but well with the next version the hud key will be customisable so you will be able to move it away from alt
[18:04] <seb128> gema, no I'm not, we don't have anyone knowing gstreamer here and it's a 4 days w.e for most of the team tonight
[18:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, it's hard to find one that looks good and have a nice color picked for the unity ui
[18:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I blame a bit desrt for that :p before the value was in gsettings and possible to tweak :p
[18:06] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[18:07] <seb128> kenvandine, wallpapers newed
[18:07] <kenvandine> thx
[18:07] <matsubara> kirkland, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/947468
[18:07] <seb128> kenvandine, sorry reading backlog in order :p
[18:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 947468 in unity-2d "Alt summoning of heads-up-display interferes with Emacs" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:07] <kenvandine> :)
[18:07] <kenvandine> odd, just got back from lunch by i feel hungry, must resist the urge to snack
[18:08] <seb128> kenvandine, your lunch was probably too healthy
[18:08] <seb128> kenvandine, you need a burger with extra cheese or something :p
[18:13] <kenvandine> seb128, that would have been better!
[18:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, https://twitter.com/#!/chrisccoulson/status/187949938225856515
[18:17] <chrisccoulson> the color looks pretty horrible with all of them tbh :(
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> it's clear that the average of brown with a bit of orange is going to be.......... well, crap ;)
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> i'm just putting precise on jo's laptop now :)
[18:20] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: does she know you're doing that?
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, she knows that i'm doing something with it, as i've just swapped the hard drive out of it ;)
[18:24] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: I got tired of hearing my wife talk about oneiric bugs, but I think she'll stay with precise LTS for a while
[18:34] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: what was she running before?
[18:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how did you change them?
[18:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the color I mean
[18:56] <chrisccoulson> seb128, in ccsm ;)
[18:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh; that's going away in the next upload
[18:57] <chrisccoulson> seriously? :(
[18:57] <chrisccoulson> can we fix the color averaging then? it looks horrible with pretty much every wallpaper i use :(
[18:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, desrt's fault, he pushed for gnome-desktop the compute the medium color value and put it as an x property
[18:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so unity doesn't have to read the file as well and redo stuff
[18:58] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: what was your wife running before precise?
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, oneiric
[18:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, gord had an update for gnome-desktop today, it only takes the left half of the wallpaper for the computation now but I don't think it's going to do much of a difference
[18:59] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: ah, cool. mine is too...guess I should upgrade her soon.
[18:59] <mdeslaur> (before she does it herself)
[18:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we should maybe get a gsettings key for a factor used in the computation or something
[19:00] <mdeslaur> com.canonical.Unity.anything_but_brown
[19:01] <gord> chrisccoulson, seb128 - for what its worth, that ccsm option will still work :) it'll override what libgnome-desktop colour - its a useful ccsm option for testing
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> gord, ok, that's good. that means i can still have it black :)
[19:02] <gord> we should really have a "paint it black" option
[19:02] <seb128> gord, oh, nice
[19:03] <mdeslaur> com.canonical.Unity.any_color_you_want_as_long_as_its_black
[19:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, better than "ubuntu" don't we have a "null" component? ;-)
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128, good point. that bug was doing my head in
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> https://twitter.com/#!/chrisccoulson/status/187983922351714305 ;)
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> i need to close twitter for a bit!
[19:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you got twitter addict!
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> right, jo's laptop is up and running again
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> now to try and debug this freeze i get when i undock my own laptop :)
[19:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, let's see how long it will take before you get yelled at for the precise issues ;-)
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> yay, --> null :-)
[19:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, speaking about debugging non firefox,tb issues, should I reassign the desktop bugs assigned to you to somebody else? or do you still want to get to them eventually?
[19:29] <seb128> lol
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i'll try and look at those :)
[19:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok ;-) I read some comments about bug #917598 online this week and I was wondering if we should address it for precise and if it should be reassigned
[19:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 917598 in gnome-settings-daemon "batterie low warning notification uses fallback dialog" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917598
[19:32] <jbicha> any ideas for what's gone wrong in bug 967978 ?
[19:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967978 in gnome-control-center "missing "apply system-wide" in network>proxy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967978
[19:34] <seb128> jbicha, yes, it's buggy
[19:34] <seb128> jbicha, thanks for asking about it
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, that's an easy one for me to do
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> i'll do it after i've had a go at figuring out this undock issue :)
[19:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that would be great if you could get it done for precise ;-)
[19:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, please do :p
[19:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I don't dare to close my lid when I dock my laptop or to undock it if not suspended nowadays ;-)
[19:37] <seb128> jbicha, sorry I will get back to you soon when tb decide to behave
[19:37] <Laney> it is supposed to only appear if you're an admin
[19:38] <seb128> ok, 0 tb - 1 google
[19:38] <seb128> I wish apps would have google search foo
[19:38] <Laney> which basically means that the user is in "admin" group
[19:39] <seb128> jbicha, Laney: so the g-c-c patch check for "admin" membership but precise changed to use "sudo" like debian instead
[19:39] <seb128> so the patch need to be updated to check for both
[19:39] <seb128> ie bug #893842
[19:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893842 in policykit-1 "Move "admin" group to "sudo"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893842
[19:39] <seb128> jbicha, can you do it?
[19:40] <seb128> jbicha, you still need to keep the "admin" check for upgrades
[19:40] <seb128> jbicha, it works for you because you upgraded
[19:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what about bug #857168, it's still on your list, do you know if that's still an issue?
[19:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857168 in totem "totem doesn't inhibit the screen blanking as it should" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857168
[19:42] <seb128> jbicha, btw could you drop the canberra login sound from the startup capplet again now that we turned login sound off by default? it's the only stuff showing up there
[19:42] <seb128> cyphermox_, ^ could you do the same for the evolution-alarm-calendar notification stuff? it's not by default but it should probably be also hidden
[19:44] <seb128> kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/2365705/+listing-archive-extra
[19:44] <seb128> others as well ^
[19:44] <seb128> new gtk with a patch from upstream "Don't call gdk_window_process_updates() when scrolling"
[19:44] <seb128> it would have scrolling regressions I would appreciate testing
[19:44] <seb128> kenvandine, could you test in gwibber?
[19:45] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:45] <kenvandine> cool, that is what cimi was complaining about
[19:45] <seb128> that's to optimize smooth scrolling not being smooth
[19:45] <seb128> kenvandine, right, I'm just a bit concerned it has side effect :p
[19:46] <kenvandine> i'll test asap
[19:46] <seb128> thanks
[19:48] <kenvandine> seb128, seems fine in gwibber, gedit, gnome-terminal and empathy
[19:49] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks! did you notice any improvement?
[19:50] <kenvandine> not really
[19:50] <kenvandine> but to be fair, i've never really noticed a slow down :)
[19:51] <seb128> kenvandine, you need slower hardware :p
[19:56] <kenvandine> seb128, shhhh.. don't tell my wife she won't let me upgrade :)
[19:57] <dobey> why the heck do i have to "ssh localhost" on my workstation all the time, before my laptop will ssh into it? makes no sense
[19:58] <kenvandine> dobey, indeed, that makes now sense
[19:59] <dobey> seb128: the slow scrolling in gwibber is unrelated to gtk+ scroll api :)
[19:59] <kenvandine> dobey, indeed
[20:00] <kenvandine> dobey, as always, you are correct :)
[20:00] <dobey> heh
[20:00] <seb128> dobey, right, but I didn't want to make it buggy in addition to be slow ;-)
[20:00] <dobey> hehe
[20:00] <cyphermox_> seb128: you mean alarm sound?
[20:01] <cyphermox_> if so, sure, I'll also upload the "fix" for the alarm notify unreadable dialog too
[20:03] <jbicha> seb128: I think the login sound should still be in Startup Applications until the on/off switch gets added to System Settings
[20:03] <seb128> jbicha, it's the only stuff listed there and it looks stupid, there was a good case to turn off but I think there less one to turn login sound on
[20:04] <seb128> cyphermox_, no, can you run gnome-session-properties, do you have an evo item listed?
[20:04] <cyphermox_> well yeah, /usr/lib/evolution/3.2/evolution-alarm-notify
[20:05] <seb128> cyphermox_, right, no "sound" in there I think
[20:05] <cyphermox_> you want that hidden?
[20:05] <seb128> cyphermox_, what do you think? we did hide all the other "services" to only list softwares the user add, i.e xchat, pidgin, etc
[20:05] <cyphermox_> I think it might trigger a sound when it appears, though last time I got reminders I don't recall hearing anything
[20:05] <cyphermox_> seb128: yeah, I think it probably could be hidden
[20:05] <seb128> cyphermox_, it just confuses user to have system stuff there
[20:06] <cyphermox_> it's not installed by default though
[20:06] <seb128> cyphermox_, good, please add a NoDisplay in the next upload ;-)
[20:06] <seb128> cyphermox_, still it confuses user to have services in the startup softwares
[20:06] <seb128> cyphermox_, so we can hide it
[20:06] <cyphermox_> yup
[20:07] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[20:08] <jbicha> seb128: ok I guess I'll hide the login sound option then, you're just lucky that I didn't mention it in ubuntu-docs. Then you would have been stuck with it!
[20:09] <seb128> jbicha, ;-)
[20:09] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[20:09] <seb128> jbicha, did the sudo group stuff made sense to you btw?
[20:09] <seb128> jbicha, I can have a look next week if you don't get to it, but didrocks plans an upload and works tomorrow and monday so maybe you can bribe him to include a fix for that ;-)
[20:09] <jbicha> seb128: yes I believe so
[20:10] <seb128> jbicha, I'm off from soon to next tuesday (though I might be around a bit tomorrow)
[20:11] <jbicha> seb128: enjoy the weekend
[20:11] <seb128> jbicha, thanks!
[20:11] <seb128> jbicha, do you also get friday and monday off in the u.s?
[20:14] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, re bug 971525, why are extensions coming from debian that are installing things in to /usr/lib/firefox? it breaks our firefox package :(
[20:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971525 in esteid-browser-plugin "Please remove esteid-browser-plugin from the archive urgently, as it trashes our Firefox package (was firefox-locale-fi: User Interface completely in English)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971525
[20:15] <chrisccoulson> oh, my
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> so, it was actually the reporter of the bug who packaged it!
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> that's great
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> 1) Package extension which breaks Firefox package in Ubuntu
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> 2) Report bug against Firefox package in Ubuntu after i broke it
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> fantastic
[20:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's time for one of those strong beers ;-)
[20:17] <chrisccoulson> heh
[20:17] <chrisccoulson> i feel like it :)
[20:17] <jbicha> seb128: I'm actually working for a bit on Saturday even!
[20:17] <seb128> jbicha, oh :-( good luck then!
[20:17] <jbicha> when I was in the Navy, we didn't officially get time off for Easter as it's more of a religious holiday I guess
[20:18] <seb128> jbicha, isn't that a national holiday in the u.s? or does it work by states?
[20:18] <jbicha> no official federal holidays from mid-February until the end of May :(
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> seb128, are you an archive admin?
[20:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, sort of yes
[20:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well the "sort of" is to let me an escape road :p
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> seb128, can you do removals then? or do i need to bug somebody else? ;)
[20:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I can do removals, though I would prefer you bug slangasek on #ubuntu-release or whoever accepted the source if that was recent
[20:20] <jbicha> I don't think it's a govt holiday for any of the States, I believe the USPS will still deliver mail like normal on Monday
[20:20] <seb128> jbicha, ok, quite a different culture and system here, it's not always easy to compare ;-)
[20:22] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah no holiday for me
[20:22] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, didrocks feel less alone ;-)
[20:23] <jbicha> kenvandine: do you have to follow the US schedule? how do Canonical holidays work?
[20:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, was that source recently newed? I just wanted to know who newed it and why, I'm happy to delete it for you in a few minutes if nobody replies on devel
[20:23] <kenvandine> jbicha, we follow government holidays
[20:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, apparently it wasn't sync'd from debian
[20:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, i'm reading devel while looking for popcorn :-)
[20:24] <chrisccoulson> not sure why it was accepted by anyone. it's quite well accepted that we no longer accept firefox extensions in to the archive :(
[20:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it's arch: any and appeared to be an NPAPI plugin
[20:27] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: mozilla-devscripts doesn't put stuff into /usr/lib/firefox
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, yeah, sorry, it's not your problem ;)
[20:28] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: are you talking about an extension or about a plugin?
[20:28] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, it's an extension
[20:28] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: then complain to the package to use mozilla-devscripts. ;)
[20:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, deleted
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128, excellent, thanks
[20:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yw
[20:46] <markgifford> I have precise beta 2 and unity 5.8. I don't seem to be able to turn off certain icons on the top panel e.g. (Bluetooth) despite seeing blog posts a month back saying it's now possible. is this something i should wait for 5.10 and hope it's fixed?
[20:48] <markgifford> I'm happy to edit conf files rather than doing it via the GUI, if that's what's needed. If so, which files define what appears in that top panel?
[20:52] <davidcalle> markgifford, do you have dconf-editor installed?
[20:53] <seb128> markgifford, why do you need icons to be turned off from the ui? do you lack horizontal space?
[20:56] <markgifford> davidcalle, yes I do. Can I use that to edit the top panel? seb128, no not for space reasons, mainly for aesthetics, and because this one Bluetooth one didn't seem to be functioning correctly. Right-click > Turn off Bluetooth never did anything
[20:57] <seb128> markgifford, do you use unity? right click is the same as left click in unity
[20:57] <markgifford> Now I've just actually opened up the full dialog box and flipped the on-off "switch" in the UI and now the Bluetooth icon is greyed out
[20:57] <markgifford> seb128, Ah OK. Well, left click on icon and then Bluetooth Settings
[20:58] <davidcalle> markgifford, you can, look in com.canonical.indicator
[20:58] <markgifford> Now that I've got used to how it works I think I'm OK with it! I just now need to find out how to edit what appears in the indicator menu
[21:00] <markgifford> Can these items under the envelope icon be edited using dconf-editor? Things like the default "Set up mail..." (I use webmail rather than desktop client)?
[21:01] <seb128> no
[21:01] <seb128> markgifford, try asking on #ubuntu-unity, you can create file somewhere in .local I think
[21:02] <markgifford> OK, will do. I think I'll have more of a play with dconf-editor too. Thx for the help guys