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Will123456is unity 5.10 going to be the final version that goes in precise? or will it be 5.12?02:44
thumperWill123456: 5.1003:30
thumperWill123456: unless... we have a zero day SRU branch03:31
thumperWill123456: in which case it'll be 5.12 :)03:31
Will123456thumper: thanks for the heads up :)03:52
thumpernp03:52
Will123456will all the bugs targetted for 5.10 make it into the release, do you think? i'm finding it hard to guage exactly how much attention and focus is directed where. i guess that comes with the distributed/undirected work process03:53
Will123456(by make it, i mean get fixed :P)03:53
thumperhaha, ahhh... no03:56
thumpernot all will be addressed03:56
thumperthere is a code freeze at the end of tomorrow03:56
thumperfor 5.1003:56
Will123456seriously? i've got a bug i desperately want fixed, but i can't see anyone working on a branch for it03:58
Will123456what can i do other than spend the next few hours desperately learning compiz and brushing up on C instead of sleeping? :P03:59
thomiHave a good weekend everyone - for those of us in the future, the weekend starts.... *now* :P05:16
gotwigjo08:23
gotwigdavidcalle: hey08:29
gotwignerochiaro: hey08:29
nerochiarogotwig: hi08:30
gotwidavidcalle: there?09:35
davidcalledavidcalle, yeah09:36
gotwidavidcalle: :D09:37
gotwidavidcalle: I got translations set up09:37
gotwiwith the support of your friend09:37
davidcallegotwi, awesome! I'll have a look at your branch to make a tuto.09:38
gotwidavidcalle: tuto?09:39
gotwidavidcalle: tutorial :D?09:39
davidcallegotwi, yeah :)09:39
gotwidavidcalle: kay, but I need help from you :O09:39
gotwidavidcalle: with lens filtering09:39
davidcallegotwi, what do you need?09:39
davidcalleOk09:39
gotwi:-)09:39
gotwidavidcalle: and my scope has also probems with 'annoying flickering' :-)09:40
gotwidavidcalle: that is not a unity bug, is it? :X09:40
gotwi"an"09:40
gotwidavidcalle: would be cool to have a nicer animation, too, to see each element coming into life in the dash... not all at once09:41
gotwidavidcalle: you know ?09:41
davidcalledavidcalle, I can help you with that actually, it's easy, but it doesn't look really good.09:42
davidcalledavidcalle, talking to yourself again?09:43
davidcallegotwi, what is your filters issue?09:44
gotwidavidcalle: I just want filters xD09:44
gotwidavidcalle: I have external scopes you know09:44
davidcallegotwi, external scopes won't be able to provide filters, just an entry in the "Sources" filter. All other filters are defined in the lens daemon.09:45
gotwidavidcalle: a bit bad09:46
davidcallegotwi, I know :)09:46
gotwidavidcalle: so how may I do interacting09:47
gotwiwith scope results09:47
gotwido I have to filter the results from the scope, or does th scope have to filter?09:47
gotwi:-)09:48
davidcallegotwi, look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~davidc3/onehundredscopes/deviantart/view/head:/src/unity-scope-deviantart09:49
gotwidavidcalle: all right, Sir :-)09:50
davidcallegotwi, it's a scope for the graphicdesign lens : it listens to filter changes (l36), reacts to it (l52), reads the filters (l80, l94)09:51
davidcallegotwi, the filter used in this lens and in this case is the RadioOption option one.09:52
gotwidavidcalle: also from you?^^09:54
davidcallegotwi, the lens? yes09:55
gotwidavidcalle: its a scope...09:55
davidcallegotwi, and the scope too :)09:55
gotwiom26er jml_ : hey10:07
davidcallemhr3, hey, I appear to have lost my category icons in the Dash. Do you see it too?10:16
mhr3i heard that from multiple people using the staging ppa10:18
davidcallemhr3, ok10:18
gotwidavidcalle: muh10:20
gotwidavidcalle: I dont realy know how to apply the filters10:20
davidcallegotwi, have you created them in your lens?10:20
gotwidavidcalle: yeah, long ago already10:21
davidcallegotwi, what kind of filters?10:21
gotwidavidcalle: normal radio filter, and stars filter10:22
davidcallegotwi, for the radio option, you can use the check_filters method in the branch I gave you earlier.10:23
gotwidavidcalle: I dont understand it10:24
gotwidavidcalle: from line 138?10:24
davidcallegotwi, then it's a simple matter of doing "if self.check_filters("filter name") == "option name": display relevant results"10:25
davidcallegotwi, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~davidc3/onehundredscopes/deviantart/view/head:/src/unity-scope-deviantart (line 94)10:25
davidcallegotwi, if it returns true, the option is active, if false, the option is not active, if none, the "All" option is active10:27
gotwidavidcalle: line 75 - 100?10:27
davidcallegotwi, the method is from l94 - 100, it is used on l8010:28
gotwidavidcalle: 194-100??10:29
davidcallegotwi, and I have to go, I'm back in a couple of hours. Good luck :)10:29
gotwidavidcalle: bye10:30
davidcallegotwi, no it's not a 1, it's a l as in line :P10:30
gotwikay xD10:30
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dupondjeSome small question about unity. How can I make all 'indication' (like empathy messages and so) show on Primary screen ?13:17
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Cimidupondje, there should be a gsettings key accessible through dconf-editor13:29
Cimiit's in apps.notify-osd13:30
Cimimultihead-mode13:30
Cimidont-focus-follow13:30
dupondjeThanks alot Cimi13:37
dupondjethat worked :)13:37
Cimidupondje, yw :)13:37
gotwighey15:00
gotwigmhall119: hey15:00
gotwigchaoticuk: hey15:01
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chaoticukgotwig: hi15:04
gotwigchaoticuk: do you like lenses?15:04
chaoticukgotwig: what are you referring to specifically?15:06
gotwigchaoticuk: unity lenses15:06
chaoticukgotwig: well yes, I get that - what aspect of the Unity Lenses15:06
gotwigchaoticuk: if you simply like them15:07
gotwigDaviey: h00ray15:07
smoserhey...15:09
smosermy unity-2d-shell process currently has 448m resident.15:09
gotwigsmoser: so?15:10
smoserits leaking.15:10
smoserso, i think is unity-panel-service, which has 134m resident.15:10
gotwigsmoser: yes15:10
smoserhow should i open a bug.15:11
smoser'ubuntu-bug' yes, but is there anything i can collect that will be more useful.15:11
gotwigsmoser: I dont think so15:14
chaoticukgotwig: they're a powerful search tool, but when you say 'like' what do you refer to: the concept, the UX, how they look, the implementation, etc?15:14
gotwigsmoser: the typical way15:14
gotwigchaoticuk: all in all15:14
gotwigchaoticuk: I am a lens/scope developer, you know...15:14
chaoticukgotwig: right15:14
gotwigchaoticuk: so?15:15
gotwigI would like to have it more dynamical15:15
gotwigfrom a developer view I am very much restricted15:15
gotwigjust 2 views, scopes cant affect filters15:15
mhall119gotwig: there is talk about allowing scopes to add filters to a lens15:16
mhall119the big concern would be to make sure scopes re-use filters instead of each one adding a bunch of custom ones15:16
gotwigmhall119: would be important for my one. You know, the one lens works with likes, the other with ratings... and than levels for recipes, the doesnt even have levels...15:16
gotwig"other"15:17
gotwigI cant realize a filter for my lens , with such restrictions...15:17
mhall119gotwig: right, scopes should gracefully ignore filters they don't know how to use15:17
chaoticukgotwig: ok, so I have a slightly better idea what you're asking now - you're directing your questions to the wrong person I think as these are UX questions, JohnLea might be better15:17
gotwigchaoticuk: no, just from a simple enduser view...15:18
gotwigmhall119: :/15:18
mhall119gotwig: johnlea and mhr3 would be the best people to discuss such a new feature with15:18
gotwigmhall119: maybe I am just to new to app developement :X15:18
gotwigmhall119: just added language support :X now I have to wait for launchpad synchronize15:19
mhall119lens/scope development is slightly different from traditional app development, there has to be much more collaboration between developer15:19
mhr3gotwig, why should a user care if there are likes or stars or bimbos, ultimately the scope should be able to "normalize" that into one format15:29
gotwigmhr3: what you mean15:29
mhr3the intention is still the same15:29
gotwigmhr3: currently I dont have a filter15:29
mhr3"i want recipes that are *good*"15:29
mhr3not "i want recipes that have 3 or more bimbos"15:30
gotwigmhr3: :D15:30
gotwigmhr3: * not available * :D ?15:30
gotwigmhr3: I think the user wants to search for awesome ones...15:30
gotwigmhr3: but not only without filters.. right?15:30
gotwigmhr3: do you think a text search is nearly enough?15:31
gotwigI know there are veggies out there that want such filters.. thats not hard to implement.15:31
gotwigfor veggie stuff, only15:31
mhr3the that's why there are lenses and scopes - lens will define that the filter will have options "ok", "good" and "awesome", the scope will then translate that to 1 bimbo, 3 bimbos, 5 bimbos15:31
mhr3(or 10+ likes, 1000+likes and gazillion likes)15:32
gotwigmhr3: but the search does filter by default with likes15:34
gotwigmhr3: so... there is no need for such a thing, imho15:34
gotwigand relevance15:34
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davmor2hey guys when an app is installed and the icon appears in the launcher if you remove the application the icon stays in the launcher this is a regression over how software-center used to handle things :(15:59
gotwighey16:14
gotwigplease help me with image cache problems in my scope... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gotwig/lens-cooking/lens-cooking/view/head:/unity-scope-gourmet#L9816:14
gotwigmhr3: what would you want from a cooking lens ?16:18
mhr3gotwig, to cook me? :)16:20
mhall119gotwig: if you can write a lens that literally makes me a sandwhich, that would be awesome16:50
mptCimi, was it you looking for Notify OSD bugs to fix? Bug 963579 is one17:01
ubot5Launchpad bug 963579 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) "Bubble uses huge size after setting it to normal in accesibility" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96357917:01
Cimimpt, it can't make it to 12.04  I think :)17:02
gotwigmhall119: that has nothing to do with a lens :D17:15
gotwigmhall119: Your dream is fulfilled: http://i.imgur.com/GianI.png17:29
gotwigmhall119: Please report a bug, if thats the functionality what your looking for..17:30
gotwig*not* :O17:30
mhall119gotwig: lol17:35
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gotwigso here is my problem, reported at stackoverflow ! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10033324/image-caching-loop-goes-wrong-for-my-recipe-searching-program-daemon17:43
AaronDCampbellI'm trying out https://github.com/abhinandh/py-cloudapp which is pretty nice.  The main problem is that the system tray icon doesn't show in unity.  Is this a problem with the app, or a problem with my unity config?18:02
AaronDCampbellThe main reason I ask is that it was a pain to get the Skype icon to show and I still can't get the pidgin icon to show either18:02
mhall119AaronDCampbell: Unity doesn't use the old systray applet, it needs to use the newer Indicator framework18:04
mhall119AaronDCampbell: Pidgin should show in the Message Menu (the one with the envelope icon) in the top panel18:04
AaronDCampbellmhall119: so it's a problem with the app.  Thanks18:05
AaronDCampbellHmmm, I see that now.  Is there a way to make pidgin it's own icon?18:05
mhall119AaronDCampbell: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/application-indicators/ has instructions for how to add an Indicator18:05
mhall119AaronDCampbell: if Pidgin decides to make a dedicated indicator (see the link posted) it would have it's own icon18:06
mhall119but generally, it's nicer for all messaging appps to make use of the common Message Meny18:06
mhall119Menu18:06
gotwigAaronDCampbell: wait. You know that Skype® is evil?18:24
gotwigmhall119: I liked the old memenu, you was able to post directly messages trough it.18:42
gotwig"were"18:42
gotwigmhall119: do you know where I can find people that want to test my software? give me real user feedback?18:58
mhall119gotwig: it's been popular on Google+19:00
gotwigmhall119: what :P19:00
gotwigmhall119: ?19:04
bschaeferthomi, ping19:09
thomihi bschaefer19:09
bschaeferhey, so im trying to make this ap test for a quick alt+tab. I have a working ap test here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/916429/19:10
bschaeferbut i don't like it...19:10
bschaeferis there a way to get the stack of windows?19:10
bschaeferor the most focused one I guess19:11
thomithere is, but TBH I think you're better off using the BamfWIndow class, since the Unity focus order doesn't follow the window stack order19:11
thomiBTW, why not use 'self.kleybinding' instead of self.keyboard?19:11
gotwigbaswhat do you mean?19:12
gotwigbschaefer: you can configure this behaviour using compiz config settings manager19:12
bschaeferthomi, I need the delay to be 0, so the quick alt+tab works19:12
bschaeferotherwise it doesn't use that code19:12
thomiyou can pass a delay into keybinding(19:12
thomi...I'm pretty sure19:13
thomiyeah you can19:13
bschaeferthomi, let me double check, the keybinding was going to slow, so I tried keyboard and it was to slow then I saw the delay and then just changed it to 019:13
thomiyeah, there's an optional delay part19:13
bschaefergotwig, im not trying to configure anything, Im making an autopilot test for some new code19:14
thomiunder the hood it calls self.keyboard.press_and_release, but using keybinding means we don't break when the keybindings change19:14
bschaeferthomi, ok, so using the BamfWindow class19:14
bschaeferto see if it only pulls up 1 window vs all of them seems still hard to do19:14
gotwigbschaefer: :X ?19:15
thomibschaefer: ahh, so you want to see the stack order...19:15
bschaeferthomi, yeaah, The way I was doing it was alt+tab quick, alt+tab quick then alt+f4 alt+f419:15
bschaeferif it grabbed BOTH windows of the calc it would close both19:15
bschaeferthen the assert would fail on how many are there, as the correct behavior should just pull 1 calc up then close the char map19:16
thomibschaefer: ok, but your assert is that len(calc.windows) == 219:16
thomiahh, ok. you want the assert to fail :)19:16
bschaeferno actually its because one is already made19:16
bschaeferso there are 3 at one time19:16
bschaeferin setUp 1 is made, but since I was going to close them I didn't want to use those19:17
bschaeferand mess up the test19:17
thomiI see19:17
bschaeferyeeah I didn't give you the context of where I put it19:18
bschaeferbut this is the only way I found to test :(19:18
thomiIf the BamfDaemon exposes this info over ibus, that would be the best place to get it. If not, you'll need to use XLib.19:18
thomiif you want a good p;lace to start with xlib, read the source code to the ewmh python module. You can download it from sourceforge19:18
bschaeferalright! Hopefully I can get something done by today, dam freeze!19:19
bschaeferall the code is done, it just needs an ap test! haha19:19
thomi:)19:19
bschaeferthanks for the info. Ill ping you later if I find anything. Have fun with your work for the day :)19:20
thomibschaefer: .... it's the start of the weekend for me. Today I'm replacing a fireplace. If you're lucky I'll hang around my computer :)19:23
bschaeferthomi, ooo nice! Have fun with that, getting ready for a winter?19:24
bschaeferor the winter I guess19:24
thomiyeah19:39
krnekheleshanyone know when Unity 5.10 is intended to be released?19:55
seb128krnekhelesh, next week19:57
krnekheleshseb128, thnx19:58
seb128yw19:58
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markgiffordI have precise beta 2 and unity 5.8. I don't seem to be able to turn off certain icons on the top panel e.g. (Bluetooth) despite seeing blog posts a month back saying it's now possible. is this something i should wait for 5.10 and hope it's fixed?20:37
markgiffordhope this is the correct place to ask20:38
davidcallemarkgifford, I think you should ask this in #ubuntu-desktop20:44
markgiffordok will do. thanks davidcalle20:45
gotwighey  there :-)21:13
gotwigPlease help with python loop in scope : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10033324/image-caching-loop-goes-wrong-for-my-recipe-searching-program-daemon21:13
gotwig:(21:27
gotwigno one understands me21:27
gotwigis my english so bad?21:27
gotwigI am waiting for an option for scopes to turn caching for images OFF!21:40
gotwig:(21:41
gotwigmhall119: ^ mhr3: ^ gord: ^21:41
thumperumm...21:42
thumpernot likely to happen in the short term21:42
thumperas the cache never stores the source21:42
thumperso it would be an on/off switch21:42
thumperso.. not gunna happen21:43
thumperas it is21:43
gotwigso my scope is not going to work......21:43
gotwigI want that it works..21:43
gotwigthumper: can you help ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10033324/image-caching-loop-goes-wrong-for-my-recipe-searching-program-daemon has all details .....21:43
gotwigChrisGagnon: hey21:44
gotwigwould be good if unity could handle URI's , too... but I think the dev's now that already21:45
gotwig"know"21:45
gotwiggood night, dev's21:50
thumperum... unity does handle URIs21:53
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htorquehi all! anyone here running unity trunk (rev 2237) that can confirm a cut off dash search bar background? http://img.xrmb2.net/images/480508.png22:51
bschaeferhtorque, let me update my unity really quick and Ill let you know!22:53
htorquebschaefer: thanks!22:54
bschaeferwhistle..., I guess there was a bit of merges to trunk today!22:57
bschaeferat 75% compiled...22:57
htorqueyeah, that's the reason i compiled it in the first place :P22:57
MCR1can someone tell me how to get the latest nux needed to compile Unity ?22:58
bschaeferbzr branch lp:nux22:58
MCR1oh, that's easy ;)22:58
bschaeferhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source22:58
MCR1thx22:58
bschaefersome instructions also :)22:58
MCR1thx22:59
htorqueeven easier if you add --disable-examples --disable-gputests --disable-tests to ./autogen.sh :P22:59
MCR1thx 4 the tip22:59
bschaeferyour welcome.22:59
bschaeferhtorque, im not getting a cut off in my dash23:00
bschaefersearch bar23:00
htorquebschaefer: meh, because you have also nux from trunk23:00
bschaefergreat haha23:00
htorquei just finished recompiling unity with nux trunk and it's gone here too23:00
bschaeferO I thought I had to re compile nux23:00
bschaeferi was like dammit then I have to recompile unity and I just finished :)23:00
htorquebschaefer: thanks for trying and sorry for wasting your time ;-)23:01
bschaeferhtorque, no worries :), and your welcome23:01
htorquegreat, with those merges there's only one ugly corner left: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/341179.png :-)23:04
bschaeferhtorque, o yeah, those have been around for a while...but a lot of good merges are coming through :)23:08

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