[00:25] <rick_h> jrwren: pushed an update to bookie to fix that stupid chrome/FF bug issue
[11:46] <rick_h> morning
[11:46] <brousch> oh this is lovely
[11:46] <brousch> someone else's photos just showed up in my dropbox
[11:46] <rick_h> oops
[11:48] <brousch> looks like someone trying filters on their webcam
[11:49] <brousch> no exif data
[11:51] <brousch> hm
[11:54] <brousch> these pictures have the same date/time format as my phone, but they are dated 1 day before i bought it
[11:54] <rick_h> hah, someone took pics on your phone you didn't realize :P
[11:54] <brousch> before i bought it
[11:55] <brousch> my son was playing with the phone at the time of the upload, but obviously not at the time the photos were taken
[11:55] <rick_h> well dropbox now has the auto photo upload from your phone
[11:56] <brousch> i can't find them anywhere on my phone
[11:59] <brousch> i use the autoupload. that's where the pictures came in
[11:59] <brousch> but i didn't take these pictures
[12:02] <rick_h> http://www.tomscott.com/glasses/
[12:07] <brousch> i'm going to lansing tonight to learn more about git
[12:11] <rick_h> very cool, good thing to know
[12:56] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:56] <rick_h> party
[12:57] <rick_h> so I'm a bad employee, I just found out LP has sprint org stuff, never ever noticed/realized it.
[12:57] <rick_h> sad when I work on something and just don't even know swaths of features
[12:57] <brousch> big projects are like that
[12:57] <brousch> bug companies
[12:57] <brousch> b ig
[13:08] <jrwren> rick_h: thanks for the bookie fix. imma go look on github to see the diff
[13:09] <rick_h> jrwren: just made sure I don't end the api call in / so that the nginx 301 redirect doesn't kick in.
[13:09] <rick_h> it's a browser bug, but fortunately I can avoid the 301
[13:42] <snap-l> rick_h: I know the feeling well
[13:42] <snap-l> Had lots of "we do that?" learning
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> I don't think I've been on launchpad much in ages.
[14:01]  * ColonelPanic001 goes to have a look
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> I forgot, I actually have a project on ther, from 2009
[14:07] <jrwren> rick_h: how long have you worked there now?
[14:07] <rick_h> jrwren: nov
[14:07] <jrwren> can't know it all in 5 months :)
[14:07] <rick_h> yea, definitely
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> when he hits 6, though..
[15:07] <snap-l> Requested 12.04 CDs
[15:07] <rick_h> woot
[15:08] <snap-l> Might even have them at Penguicon
[15:08] <snap-l> which would be awesome
[15:08] <snap-l> Also, Kubuntu CDs aren't in this pack
[15:08] <rick_h> really? /me goes to dbl check actual release day
[15:09] <snap-l> 26/4/2012
[15:09] <snap-l> They're accepting pre-orders, which leads me to believe they're being mastered RSN
[15:09] <brousch> blue-headed stepchild
[15:10] <snap-l> brousch: That reminds me....
[15:10] <brousch> now the disowned blue-head step-child
[15:10]  * snap-l has a devious plan to ship all of the rest of the 11.10 CDs to brousch
[15:10]  * snap-l loves Priority Mail Fat Rate.
[15:10] <brousch> i think i handed out 2 so far
[15:11] <brousch> i should have hidden the box in your house when i was there
[15:11] <snap-l> Yeah, CDs don't really go over very well
[15:11] <snap-l> brousch: I still have the two boxes from the release party in my living room
[15:11] <snap-l> I should put them in the kitchen
[15:11] <snap-l> or something like that
[15:11] <snap-l> Get rid of the things.
[15:11] <brousch> it feels wasteful
[15:12] <brousch> like i should recycle them or something
[15:12] <brousch> maybe i can turn them into an artprize entry
[15:12] <snap-l> If anyone has some ideas, I'm all for it
[15:12] <snap-l> I'll pay shipping.
[15:12] <jrwren> i keep meaning to upgrade.
[15:13] <brousch> ubuntu-skeetshooting-us-mi
[15:13] <snap-l> brousch: Noooooooooo
[15:13] <rick_h> downloaded latest iso today plan is to reinstall tomorrow
[15:13] <rick_h> everyone else is off work tomorrow so might as well restart then
[15:13] <brousch> hm
[15:15] <snap-l> Yeah, I have tomorrow off as well
[15:19] <jrwren> why so many people off tomorrow?
[15:19] <jjesse> good friday
[15:19] <jrwren> auto holiday for the god lovers?
[15:20] <jrwren> wow, you are an optimist. how do you know it will be good?
[15:20] <jjesse> my calendar says it will be good friday
[15:20] <jjesse> so no iea
[15:20] <jjesse> idea
[15:20] <jrwren> sweet!
[15:20] <jrwren> must NOT be a demotivational calendar
[15:20] <jrwren> so optimistic
[15:21]  * snap-l rolls his eyes.
[15:58] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/rubzn/how_my_apple_hate_quite_literally_burned_me/
[16:01]  * rick_h just keeps quiet...
[16:03] <snap-l> rick_h: macs rule. ;)
[16:03] <rick_h> I'm going to call total bullshit on the whole story
[16:03] <rick_h> you feel anxiety up to a purchase, but if you got the thing home and it worked it goes away pretty quick.
[16:03] <rick_h> trust me, I've been there
[16:04] <rick_h> so I don't buy the start of the story at all, and the follow up that "I bought a thing that I regret buying..."
[16:04] <rick_h>  oh freaking well, you bought a bad bit of hardware, wtf were you doing buying a laptop from samsung...
[16:04] <rick_h> the whole story stinks from start to finish
[16:13] <snap-l> rick_h: Funny thing is the Macbook Pro that I had was also a serious nut-warmer
[16:14] <snap-l> Even through the laptop desk
[16:14] <snap-l> Haven't had the same problem with the X120e
[17:05] <jrwren> i LOVE that story.
[17:06] <rick_h> jrwren: would, it's got a person who loves windows more than OSX and Ubuntu, loves mac hardware...it's too good to be true I tell you :P
[17:08] <snap-l> greg-g: http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2012/04/05/white-trash-repairs-bicycle-lanes-in-bulgaria/
[17:08] <jrwren> the thing i found amusing is that the quiet mac book airs don't exist anymore.
[17:08] <jrwren> he said he has a 2010.
[17:08] <jrwren> well. my 2010 DID make noise when i pushed it hard.
[17:09] <jrwren> and now I have a 2011 air and it definitely spins up and pushes air more than the 2010 model.
[17:09] <jrwren> i don't htink ivybridge will change this at all.
[17:13] <snap-l> Craig's law: The more bits you push, the more heat you'll generate
[17:15] <jrwren> surely you know that isn't true.
[17:15] <jrwren> but I do like your law.
[17:15] <snap-l> Craig's corallary: I like pie
[17:17] <jrwren> mmm... pie
[17:34] <jrwren> Because Facebook's entire code base is compiled down to a single binary executable, the company's deployment process is quite different from what you'd normally expect in a PHP environment. Rossi told me that the binary, which represents the entire Facebook application, is approximately 1.5GB in size.
[17:34] <jrwren> !!!
[17:35] <rick_h> heh, well makes it easier to load that into memory vs a bunch of php scripts :)
[17:35] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[17:35] <ColonelPanic001> Didn't know that, interesting
[17:35] <jrwren> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/exclusive-a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-facebook-release-engineering.ars?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+Featured+Content%29
[17:35] <greg-g> snap-l: hilarious
[17:35] <ColonelPanic001> I was just going to ask
[17:36] <jrwren> i don't know enough about the linux and gnu linker loader to know wtf its going ot do with 1.5GB exec
[17:36] <jrwren> i wonder if it is statically linked.
[17:36] <jrwren> i wonder if it even uses a webserver or if that includes the web server.
[17:36] <rick_h> well create a memdisk with one file in it :)
[17:36] <jrwren> that would be foolish.
[17:37] <jrwren> then you aren't letting the vmemsys do what it is meant to do.
[17:37] <snap-l> Nice thing is instead of looking at 1,000 files to see where a change is, you can do one sha1sum to tell which server is out of sync
[17:37] <snap-l> That's brilliant
[17:38] <snap-l> I eagerly await our newfound compiled executable memes
[17:38] <snap-l> Because FACEBOOK
[17:38] <rick_h> come on, you know that's how google does it too :P
[17:38] <jrwren> lol
[17:39] <jrwren> "THIS IS HOW YOU SCALE! ONE GIANT EXECUTABLE!"
[17:39] <snap-l> $5 says they don't strip out debugging. ;)
[17:40] <jrwren> lol.
[17:40] <jrwren> or use -O5.
[17:40] <jrwren> -O0 plz.
[17:41] <jrwren> -Wnone too
[17:41] <jrwren> but that might make sense given the HipHop layer
[17:41] <snap-l> OMG! OUR 1.5GB EXECUTABLE IS NOW 600K AFTER WE RAN STRIP
[17:44] <greg-g> I hate it when you, while trying to fall asleep, craft a brilliant 140 character thought that condenses such an important issue so that everyone can understand it easily plannning on sending it out via the microblags the next morning, but then, you fall asleep, and forget everything.
[17:45] <jrwren> lol @ 600k
[17:49] <rick_h> greg-g: I started keeing a notepad by my bed because I kept having bookie ideas right before sleep, drove me nuts
[17:49] <rick_h> it's a win, but it's embarrassing when it wakes up the wife while I fumble to take a note
[17:52] <greg-g> rick_h: yeah, unfortunately my falling asleep time now includes a 3.5 month old in nest of my left arm. :)
[17:53] <rick_h> greg-g: hmm, android voice dictation? I don't keep my phone in my bedroom, but maybe you do?
[17:56] <jrwren> i put a notepad at my bedside, and all thoughts worth writing immediately stopped
[17:57] <snap-l> jrwren: hah
[17:57] <snap-l> I have a notepad that I leave by the bed, but no pen.
[17:58] <snap-l> and now I dust a notepad.
[18:23] <jrwren> rick_h: does your pastebin have a post limit?
[18:23] <snap-l> I really need to come up with some way to exclude the 100 baby einstein songs from ever being played on my squeezebox player
[18:23] <snap-l> ever
[18:23] <jrwren> i just tried posting about 3.5k and it gives 500
[18:23] <jrwren> snap-l: delete the files.
[18:23] <snap-l> jrwren: Ubuntu One
[18:23] <rick_h> jrwren: probably
[18:23] <snap-l> so if I delete them, at some point they will returl
[18:23] <snap-l> return
[18:24] <rick_h> jrwren: whatever the nginx default is I'd imagine
[18:24] <snap-l> GOt them for my bro-in-law
[18:24] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I need to update the version and such there sometime. It's hack-hosted, the captchas don't work, etc
[18:25] <jrwren> no worries, just curious
[18:45] <snap-l> rick_h: We rely on that service
[18:45] <snap-l> mostly because it means we don't have to install our own. ;)
[18:45] <rick_h> snap-l: in that case I better get it off the sqlite db and setup multiple backends with failover :P
[18:46] <snap-l> and compile the code too
[18:46] <snap-l> I want it to load in less than .2ms
[18:46] <snap-l> chop chop
[18:47] <brousch> i will set up a competing pastebin running on django
[18:47] <brousch> that will prompt him to action
[18:47] <rick_h> lol
[18:47] <snap-l> Nah, Ruby on Rails will do it
[18:48] <rick_h> everyone knows django isn't good for anything! not even a pastebin!
[18:48] <brousch> it is kind of a messy add-on
[18:48] <snap-l> It's good for being a podunk newspaper site
[18:48] <snap-l> and we all know newspapers are dying anyway
[18:49] <rick_h> ask waldo, he was having fun with "django apps" last night at CHC
[18:49] <snap-l> surprised they didn't use Wordpress instead.
[18:49] <brousch> django apps are simultaneously the best part of django and its biggest problem
[18:49] <brousch> there's an app for whatever you want, but it always takes some hacking to get it into your site
[18:50] <brousch> once you've hacked it, then you have to keep hacking it on updates
[18:50] <jrwren> isn't that what git is for?
[18:51] <brousch> yes
[18:51] <brousch> but for something that is supposed to be plug and play, having to resort to forking is not how it should be
[18:52] <jrwren> oh, they are supposed to plug and play?
[18:52] <jrwren> I didn't know that.
[18:52] <jrwren> i like forks.
[18:52] <jrwren> i like forks best when they automerge
[18:52] <brousch> https://bitbucket.org/jespern/django-piston/descendants
[18:52] <greg-g> I like forks best when they have tasty food they're bringing to my mouth
[18:53] <rick_h> oh oh oh...finally!!! the tests pass...
[18:54]  * rick_h does a happy dance...
[18:54] <jrwren> i'mma laugh when you get a 500 :p
[18:54] <jrwren> tests pass... why don't it work?
[18:54] <rick_h> because it's only the second of the 4 sets of tests I broke...
[18:55] <rick_h> !@$#@$#@ doctests...die die die!!!!
[18:55] <jrwren> ouch
[18:55] <rick_h> all the layers of security hate me since I want to access email addressses
[19:00] <brousch> what is the pyramid equivalent of a django add-on app?
[19:00] <rick_h> depends
[19:01] <brousch> the diapers?
[19:01] <rick_h> a tween for some thing, a library for others, another wsgi app
[19:01] <brousch> are they as prone to getting forked?
[19:01] <jrwren> i'd have said pyramid doesn't have an equiv
[19:01] <rick_h> not currently
[19:02] <rick_h> jrwren: well the idea is adding functionality to your app via someone else's code
[19:02] <rick_h> jrwren: so you can do that in generally 4 ways
[19:02] <brousch> because pyramid has 10% of django's user base or because they are better designed?
[19:02] <brousch> i don't think flask plugins have the same issue
[19:03] <rick_h> another wsgi layer, a tween, importing a lib and adding to your app's config, or just something you can import/use
[19:05] <rick_h> but yea, none of them are really the same as the django ap
[19:05] <rick_h> app
[19:05] <brousch> lib sounds closest
[19:06] <rick_h> not really because a lib will have issues with migratoins/etc while django apps have that idea built in I think
[19:06] <rick_h> at least db access/tools
[19:21] <jrwren>  the db access is just django model.
[19:21] <jrwren> or it could opt for other.
[19:21] <jrwren> and django still has no default migration lib
[19:22] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I guess I mean syncdb
[19:22] <jrwren> ah, right.
[19:23] <jrwren> that is true.
[19:23] <jrwren> and you can even tie into django commands
[19:23] <jrwren> to extend manage.py
[19:23] <rick_h> right
[19:23] <brousch> i haven't looked at south yet
[19:23] <rick_h> south is pretty much the one true migration for django
[19:24] <brousch> no, there is another
[19:24] <brousch> nash vegas
[19:25] <brousch> http://nashvegas.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[19:26] <rick_h> well, inside canonical all the django apps are south users
[19:28] <brousch> it is the leader
[19:33] <snap-l> Anyone else think the JOBS bill is going to usher in another internet bubble?
[19:34] <rick_h> haven't looked...
[19:34] <rick_h> figure I've got a job, and if I lose it I'll get another... :)
[19:35] <snap-l> It's not for employment
[19:35] <rick_h> ah, then I'm doubly stupid about it
[19:35] <snap-l> It's for investing without being on the stock market.
[19:37] <snap-l> http://www.buzzmachine.com/2012/04/05/the-importance-of-jobs/
[19:42]  * jrwren notes to try out south
[19:42] <dzho> http://zgp.org/~dmarti/freedom/dude-were-winning/
[19:42] <dzho> dmarti asks a fair point
[19:42] <dzho> er, a fair question
[19:43] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't necessarily think the SEC is better at selecting companies for major investment
[19:44] <dzho> not that.  the 419 point
[19:44] <jrwren> I don't think that is the SECs job.
[19:44] <snap-l> but I regard investors as fools
[19:44] <snap-l> and fools and their money can soon be parted.
[19:45] <snap-l> Note: I think kickstarter is great
[19:45] <jrwren> I'd take offense, but I already know that you ragard me a fool, so its not new to be offended by.
[19:45] <jrwren> its jsut another reason :p
[19:46] <snap-l> and maybe this will get some awesome companies funded
[19:46] <snap-l> jrwren: perhaps I need to rephrase
[19:46] <snap-l> internet investing
[19:46] <jrwren> what does that mean?
[19:46] <jrwren> like investing only in "net" companies?
[19:46] <dzho> snap-l: you regard anyone who isn't self-employed but has a 401K to be a fool?  Or you think they should sock their tax-exempt stuff away in cash?  or  . . . .?
[19:46] <jrwren> that is sooo... mid 90s
[19:46] <snap-l> companies like Groupon who have no visible means of profit, outside of a glorified ponzi scheme.
[19:46] <dzho> not that I disagree, it's just a pretty broad brush
[19:47] <jrwren> 401ks are a scam.
[19:47] <snap-l> jrwren: people who look to make a quick buck off of some smart kids
[19:47] <jrwren> i regard 401k-only investors as fools :(
[19:47] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm a fool, then
[19:47] <jrwren> no investments outside of your 401k?
[19:47] <snap-l> I also have an IRA, which is comprised of my 401K rollovers
[19:48] <jrwren> do you contribute a lot to 401k or just the minimum to get employer match?
[19:48] <snap-l> I contribute my max
[19:48] <jrwren> zomg, stop!
[19:48] <jrwren> you are killing yourself.
[19:48] <jrwren> well, you are hurting yourself.
[19:48] <dzho> you will help yourself by paying more tax!
[19:48] <snap-l> jrwren: What would you recommend instead?
[19:48] <dzho> here it goes
[19:49] <jrwren> take some of that and invest in a non-tax deferred acct.
[19:49] <jrwren> here is why:
[19:50] <jrwren> when you withdrawl from your 401k and ira it gets taxed AS WAGES and not as investment income
[19:50] <jrwren> that means it is in the 35%+ rate
[19:50] <jrwren> and not teh low 18% like romney paid on his investment earnings.
[19:50] <jrwren> you'd have to run the numbers to see what your rates will be
[19:51] <jrwren> but its likely if you end up with large withdrawls that you'll be in a much higher tax bracket than you need to be.
[19:51] <dzho> assuming you withdraw it when you are in the 35% bracket
[19:51] <jrwren> right.
[19:51] <jrwren> like i said, run thenumbers.
[19:51] <mydogsnameisrudy> you pay 20% when you draw your 401
[19:51] <dzho> run the future numbers.
[19:51] <snap-l> What if it's a roth IRA?
[19:51] <jrwren> but I sure plan on retiring with enough $$$ that I can have large withdrawls
[19:51] <dzho> nice trick, how do I do that?
[19:51] <dzho> dear intarwebs, what will my tax rate be in 20 years?
[19:51] <jrwren> its called planning
[19:52] <dzho> damn, dude, we don't even know what the tax code is going to say next year.
[19:52] <jrwren> so... just throwing some infor out there for you to consider.
[19:52] <jrwren> this was big news to me.
[19:52] <jrwren> it did change some decisions I made
[19:52] <jrwren> so I'm sharing
[19:52] <mydogsnameisrudy> if you draw early its 10% more
[19:52] <jrwren> so ignore my advice.
[19:52] <greg-g> jrwren: :)
[19:52] <dzho> snap-l: yeah, roth from what I understand has already been taxed, so . . .
[19:52] <jrwren> like I said " take some of that and invest in a non-tax deferred acct."   <--- i retract thsi advice.
[19:52] <snap-l> jrwren: Considering how we're screwing the baby boomers out of their retirement because of economic reasons, I'll be surprised if I'm not scraping for berries and twigs when I'm retired.
[19:52] <jrwren> i don't want to give advise.
[19:53] <greg-g> jrwren: haha!
[19:53] <snap-l> jrwren: IANAFP
[19:53] <dzho> are we screwing them, or have they screwed us?
[19:53] <greg-g> dzho: ding ding ding
[19:53] <dzho> see the recent Esquire article on that question
[19:54] <jrwren> maybe tehy screwed tehmselves
[19:54] <greg-g> everyone is screwing everyone, <insert lewd joke here>
[19:54] <dzho> or maybe themselves *and* the rest of us!
[19:54] <dzho> haha
[19:54] <dzho> yes, he went there
[19:54] <jrwren> so I don't grok the JOBS bill.
[19:54] <snap-l> All I know is I had everything I could do to not laugh in a lady's face when I was younger. She claimed that Soc Security would be around for my retirement.
[19:54] <jrwren> does it change the regulations for being a qualified investor.
[19:54] <dzho> http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412-3
[19:55] <jrwren> snap-l: it will if you retire next year :p
[19:55] <dzho> jrwren: I think it puts a higher limit as to what people can invest without being a qualified investor
[19:55] <snap-l> jrwren: not bloody likely
[19:56] <dzho> or rather, someone collecting that investment can have more non-qualified investors without having to go public.  Or . . . something.
[19:56] <dzho> if only we had the world's information at our fingertips so we could look this up
[19:56] <greg-g> jrwren: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jjcolao/2012/03/21/jobs-act/ page two has some good issues, too
[19:57] <brousch> soc sec will be around when we retire. we'll get like $10/wk
[19:57] <greg-g> yay, enough to buy an ice-cream cone
[19:57] <jrwren> dzho: my current understanding is that non-qualified investors are entirely inelligible currently.
[19:57] <jrwren> i do like ice cream cones!
[19:57] <brousch> greg-g: you will only be able to spend it on healthy food
[19:57] <jrwren> anyone go to free cone day at B&J ?
[19:59] <dzho> It feels a little weird, but I trust wikipedia to give me the general lowdown on something like this.
[20:00] <jrwren> greg-g: thanks. the shareholder limit on privately held is facinating.
[20:00] <jrwren> zomg, and 10% or up to 10k$ can be invested.
[20:00] <jrwren> this is HUGE for someone like me.
[20:01] <greg-g> dzho: good point re WP, is there a good article?
[20:01] <dzho> Xeno's paradox will be very important here.
[20:01] <dzho> greg-g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpstart_Our_Business_Startups_Act
[20:03] <greg-g> tx
[20:03] <greg-g> that's a good low down
[20:03] <jrwren> this is soo cool.
[20:03] <jrwren> i gotta figure out where to invest my $10k :)
[20:03] <brousch> bmark.us
[20:04] <jrwren> lol, no
[20:04] <greg-g> jrwren: and thanks to the act, you can just trust the wall st analysts who say XYZ is great (nevermind they have a vested interest, and wouldn't normally be able to say such things before this bill) :)
[20:05] <jrwren> Caveat emptor
[20:05] <dzho> does wall street even have to be involved?
[20:05] <snap-l> At least they're trying to keep Senators from profiting off of the stock market by getting stock tips from congressional testimony.
[20:05] <dzho> isn't the point that you don't have to go through folks who have figured out how to navigate the regulatory situation?
[20:06] <dzho> go go Louise Slaughter, on the STOCK Act
[20:06] <dzho> too bad she just broke her leg
[20:07] <snap-l> Couldn't believe that it was legal for congress to do the very thing that Martha Stewart went to jail for
[20:08] <snap-l> Goes to show that those who make the rules don't necessarily follow them
[20:08] <dzho> makes you wonder what other outrages are perfectly legal for them to do
[20:09] <dzho> http://www.buffalonews.com/city/capital-connection/washington/article795640.ece
[20:10] <dzho> also, still need to get more of the original bill into law
[20:14] <jrwren> i still think it is cool that this bill opens up some things that used to require being  an accredited investor
[20:15] <dzho> well, this bill being the JOBS Act, coming back to that from our STOCK Act excursion.
[20:17] <jrwren> yes
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