[01:01] <jrgifford> BiosElement: how is openDNS destroying the internet?
[01:01] <jrgifford> i've never had any issues with them
[01:02] <Unit193> ...My shell account also listens on port 53. :D  (Don't have this session on there, mind you)
[01:03] <jrgifford> lol
[01:05] <jrgifford> Only thing that openDNS blocks here is porn (little siblings running amuck with their laptops), and thats about it. don't worry about malware since we all use a *nix based system, and the ones (aka me) who goes into the wilder parts (such as IRC, forums etc) of the internet is on his own for making sure he does things right. :P
[01:06] <jrgifford> s/right/securely
[01:07] <Unit193> Yeah, but it's a problem for other reasons, doesn't send the right signal.
[01:08] <jrgifford> what do you mean?
[01:08] <BiosElement> jrgifford: By blocking freenode claiming it's malware.
[01:08] <Unit193> I'd try to explain, but it's not coming out of the head.
[01:09] <Unit193> Not sending dnserr for example.
[01:09] <jrgifford> BiosElement: weird. also, do keep in mind that you opt into this - its not the default you can't change.
[01:10] <Unit193> Easy enough to bypass.
[01:10] <BiosElement> jrgifford: It is at Panera's, short of a proxy. I'll be setting one up on my server for use with ubuntu meetings, but it's still utterly disgusting and they're lying through their teeth with that.
[01:10] <jrgifford> BiosElement: just use network manager to swap to googles.
[01:10] <Unit193> DNS doesn't require a proxy, just need to set that in your config.
[01:10] <jrgifford> easy enough to try.
[01:11] <BiosElement> jrgifford: Which also doesn't work, I tried that trick. :P
[01:11] <jrgifford> BiosElement: well then, don't go to panera. simple as that imo. :P
[01:12] <BiosElement> Which means finding a new meeting location, which is such fun. End of the day, OpenDNS is misclassfying freenode on purpose and there's no excuse for it.
[01:12] <jrgifford> BiosElement: i just asked them via twitter about it
[01:12] <Unit193> On purpose? Do you actually know?
[01:12] <jrgifford> they blocked github for a few hours a few months ago
[01:12] <BiosElement> jrgifford: Look forward to hearing a response, I was planning to email them as well
[01:13] <jrgifford> someone flagged it for malware
[01:13] <BiosElement> Unit193: I find it impossible to believe it was a mistake, they're all techy people there and I find it impossible to believe none of them use freenode, it's just too improbable for me to imagine.
[01:14] <jrgifford> BiosElement: you don't know, it could have been the autoblocking system or something similar.
[01:14] <BiosElement> jrgifford: Odd they'd specifically block a subdomain that links to the service, I'd be suprised if they can actually detect IRC traffic to find malware.
[01:15] <jrgifford> BiosElement: blame panera
[01:15] <jrgifford> http://domain.opendns.com/freenode.net
[01:15] <jrgifford> its tagged as "chat" (officially)
[01:15] <BiosElement> No, bullshit. There's a different message and that's the wrong domain
[01:15] <jrgifford> and http://domain.opendns.com/webchat.freenode.net
[01:15] <BiosElement> OpenDNS SPECIFICALLY states they blocked it, I screenshotted it. :P
[01:16] <jrgifford> is also tagged as "chat"
[01:17] <jrgifford> you can add a specific domain to the block list for your network. entirely possible panera did that on their own.
[01:17] <BiosElement> And then it shows a specific blocked message.
[01:18] <BiosElement> In this case it's spcifically OpenDNS stating that, and if it's wrong to mail them, which I've already done.
[01:18] <jrgifford> upload the screenshot, i refuse to believe it. Because i see nothing about the *freenode.net domain being blocked/categorized as "malware".
[01:19] <Unit193> It's user generated anyway, so whatever some random users think....
[01:20] <BiosElement> Good to know we trust each other around here jrgifford, one moment.
[01:20] <Unit193> Well, I trust that you saw what you said you did.
[01:21] <jrgifford> I trust that you saw what you said, but I don't trust that you're blaming the right people. :)
[01:21] <Unit193> I only trust jrgifford as far as I can toss him, thankfully he lightweight.
[01:22] <jrgifford> lol Unit193. you're actually pretty close, i'm only like 150. :P
[01:23] <BiosElement> lol jrgifford, I assure you this time I know I'm not crazy. :) http://i.imgur.com/m0ip6.png
[01:24] <jrgifford> oh, that
[01:24] <jrgifford> yeah, they blocked it because it also detects that you're using windows
[01:24] <jrgifford> (iirc, i ran into that all the time on my windows box.)
[01:24] <BiosElement> Then they should block facebook and gmail while they're at it by that logic. :|
[01:25] <jrgifford> hey, just saying. i remember seeing that when i used windows ~2 months ago, but i'm normally on ubuntu (and as such don't see it) so thats why i refused to believe it. :P
[01:28] <BiosElement> Yeah, I just got this laptop so I haven't moved it over yet
[01:31] <Unit193> Identi.ca is about dead or a spam heaven now, right?
[01:32] <jrgifford> more or less yeah, from what I can tell
[01:36] <BiosElement> I tossed identi.ca a few months ago
[01:36] <BiosElement> Just no point
[02:14] <dzho> Unit193: jrgifford I've been the admin of a group on identi.ca for a while now.
[02:15] <dzho> when they went to 1.0, they didn't continue the xmpp service, so I really slowed down my identi.ca use.
[02:15] <Unit193> Do you disagree?
[02:15] <dzho> but, through the command-line-interface group, I've been seeing lots of international subscribers, to my surprise.
[02:15] <dzho> proportionally many fewer that are obvious spammers.
[02:39] <Unit193> Has anyone seen/contacted jgould for a while?
[03:49] <Cheri703> BiosElement: you could always just use quassel?
[03:50] <Unit193> Quassel connects to irc.freenode.net, and he can't hit that.
[03:50] <Cheri703> but he can connect to his server at home
[03:50] <Unit193> Unless you're talking about core.
[03:51] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:51]  * Cheri703 was unclear
[15:43] <gilbert_> paultag: thx!
[15:44] <gilbert> paultag: took forever, oct to april, but glad its done :)
[15:44] <gilbert> paultag: i thought you already had a few advocates?
[15:45] <gilbert> paultag: too bad the process is just mostly waiting.  there was only about 3 weeks where i was actually doing work toward it
[15:45] <gilbert> BiosElement2: how did the ubuntu hour go last night?
[15:45] <paultag> gilbert: https://nm.debian.org/public/process/paultag@gmail.com ← I'm waiting on Mako, who's my primary sponsor
[15:46] <paultag> gilbert: in the mean-time, the others there have advocated me
[15:46] <paultag> he's so bad at getting to this stuff
[15:46] <paultag> friggn'.
[15:46] <gilbert> hmm, you only need one advocate
[15:47] <gilbert> having 4 already should be enough...
[15:47] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, I know. The problem is that he's a half-complete one
[15:47] <paultag> gilbert: because my guy was migrated from the old nm.d.o
[15:47] <paultag> anyway, shortly!
[15:48] <paultag> (e.g. within the year?)
[15:48] <gilbert> oh, weirld beaurocratic stuff
[15:48] <paultag> yeah
[15:48] <gilbert> yeah, hopefully yours is faster than 6 months...
[15:48] <paultag> gilbert: somehow, I doubt it :)
[15:48] <gilbert> probably
[15:48] <paultag> it's already been a month
[15:48] <gilbert> yeah, i had my advocate after only a day
[15:49] <paultag> yeah :(
[15:49] <paultag> I'll bug him again, he had a big thing due monday
[15:49] <gilbert> already uploaded my first dd package :o
[15:49] <paultag> gilbert: :D
[15:49] <gilbert> chromium :)
[15:49] <paultag> oh yeah, forgot you did maint on that too
[15:49] <gilbert> yep
[15:50] <paultag> gilbert: I got some ITPs sitting around because both upstreams are crazy out of policy
[15:50] <paultag> those I might just close and not upload
[15:50] <paultag> but other then that, nothing new :)
[15:50] <paultag> gilbert: mentoring the GSoC project to port clang to the buildds
[15:50] <paultag> that should be fun
[15:51] <gilbert> cool!
[15:51] <paultag> it'd be good for some static-checks on which packages have gccisms
[15:51] <paultag> or use features of gcc that may change because they're not in spec
[15:51] <paultag> (and klee!)
[15:52] <gilbert> who is going to be your am?
[15:53] <paultag> gilbert: it's not set yet, but lfaraone (from what I hear) was lobbying to get me
[15:53] <Unit193> Heh, I actually know that name.
[15:54] <paultag> he's an Ubuntu'er
[15:54] <paultag> BRB, food
[15:54] <Unit193> He's the guy that packages pianobar.
[15:58] <gilbert> http://www.infoworld.com/t/web-browsers/chrome-beats-ie-any-given-sunday-190182
[16:18] <gilbert> paultag: btw, just curious what's been going on with debexpo.  i really haven't been following it
[16:19] <paultag> back :)
[16:19] <paultag> Unit193: yeah
[16:19] <paultag> gilbert: tons, it's going well
[16:20] <paultag> gilbert: I love arno (et al)
[16:22] <gilbert> paultag: ok cool, they were trying to get me involved, but i just haven't had time
[16:22] <paultag> yar
[16:22] <gilbert> paultag: i'm still going to try to take a look at the broken soap interface
[16:23] <paultag> yeah, totally
[16:24] <gilbert> but yeah, not going to have much free time as i'm going to defend this summer
[16:24] <gilbert> so i gotta get my sh*t done
[16:24] <paultag> yeah, truth
[16:26] <gilbert> in the meantime, i'm going to start looking at packages worth sponsoring
[16:27] <gilbert> plus i'm spending some time on my biz too
[16:27] <paultag> :)
[16:27] <paultag> gilbert: there's a bunch with rfs's
[16:27] <paultag> gilbert: I built a sane front-end I might put into mentors if you want to browse
[16:27] <paultag> gilbert: http://mentors.pault.ag/
[16:28] <gilbert> wow, that's really cool
[16:28] <paultag> some very basic sanity checking in there too
[16:28] <paultag> but nothing really ground-breaking
[16:28] <paultag> just easier to browse and not as laggy as the BTS
[16:29] <gilbert> definately
[16:29] <gilbert> that actually seems surprisingly not that large
[16:29] <paultag> yeah, for sure
[16:29] <paultag> gilbert: eventually, I want to add hooks to push notifications
[16:29] <paultag> gilbert: e.g., poke me when email looks like .*@ubuntu\.com, or .*\.ru$
[16:30] <paultag> gilbert: or if the package is .*apache.*
[16:30] <paultag> so that folks can get pings when something interesting gets pushed to RFS
[16:31] <paultag> (eventually: if the section == "python", etc)
[16:31] <paultag> but that's outside the scope of what I have here
[16:31] <gilbert> interesting
[16:34] <gilbert> i'm glad BiosElement is taking over the columbus team
[16:34] <gilbert> its been rather quiet since i've been gone
[16:34] <paultag> yeah
[16:37] <gilbert> upgrades take a loooong time :(
[16:37] <paultag> yeah :(
[16:38] <gilbert> so, how's the sunlight foundation stuff going?
[16:39] <paultag> gilbert: dude, it's kickass. I love my job. I'm on a meeting now, and someone strolled in from DC with a lucid T-shirt on, but everyone's ultra smart and we're all doing really great work
[16:39] <paultag> gilbert: I ♥ sunlight so much
[16:39] <paultag> my boss is brilliant, which is cool
[16:39] <gilbert> paultag: that's awesome :)
[16:40] <paultag> it's great
[16:40] <paultag> gilbert: I recently uploaded python-sunlight to debian
[16:40] <gilbert> nice
[16:40] <paultag> gilbert: it's some really cool stuff, you should check it out
[16:40] <paultag> it's unified bindings to all the data, and it's easy to use
[17:21] <thafreak> you guys see this latest osx botnet?
[17:21] <thafreak> http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/trojan-downloader_osx_flashback_i.shtml
[17:35] <canthus13> thafreak: Yeah.. they got like every mac out there. :D
[17:35] <thafreak> shit...my in-laws have like 5
[17:36] <canthus13> thafreak: ~600k known infections so far?
[17:36] <thafreak> anyway to prevent from being infected?
[17:36] <canthus13> install linux.
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[17:36] <thafreak> other than that
[17:36] <canthus13> thafreak: Get a decent Mac AV program?
[17:36] <canthus13> (Is there one?)
[17:37] <canthus13> that and teacht hem that their holy Mac is not invulnerable.
[17:37] <thafreak> crap...there's no way to like install an update to close the hole they're using?
[17:44] <canthus13> I dunno. There's not enough info on the vulnerabilty yet. (at least not as of 10am when I was reading about it...)
[17:44] <canthus13> It may only be non-updated machines... I dunno.
[17:44]  * canthus13 would hope that apple is on the ball and working on a fix.
[17:45] <canthus13> could block the url it hits in the router... h t t p : / / 95.215.63.38/counter/%encoded_data%
[17:46] <thafreak> nice
[17:46] <thafreak> good to know, thanks
[17:47] <thafreak> really want to set up a mandatory proxy server for my in-laws
[17:52] <canthus13> Actually.. just block the entire IP.
[17:52] <canthus13> not likely to be anything good at that address for the moment.
[17:53] <canthus13> It won't stop them from getting the malware.. but it will stop it from downloading the payload.
[22:20] <andygraybeal> nice :)
[22:21] <yano> andygraybeal: quit following me :-p
[22:21] <andygraybeal> what????
[22:21] <andygraybeal> me???
[22:21] <yano> yes, you
[22:21] <yano> lol
[22:21] <andygraybeal> neva!
[22:22] <andygraybeal> aight, i'm headed out for the night.  i'm gonna go and try to find some mushrooms and maybe farm a little.
[22:34] <canthus13> yano: what are you complaining about? You've been up my butt for months and *I* haven't complained. :P
[22:34] <yano> canthus13: :o
[22:34] <canthus13> "D
[22:34] <canthus13> :D
[22:34] <yano> i think it's a conspiracy of all of you guys following me! :-p
[22:34] <Unit193> I was here first...
[22:35] <canthus13> Unit193: Eh? I remember when you were a n00b. :P
[22:35] <Unit193> First == before yano
[22:35] <canthus13> Ok. :)
[22:35] <Unit193> canthus13: Were? and I was here a bit back in '08, but doesn't count for much. :P
[22:35] <canthus13> :)