[09:45] <rmg51> Morning
[09:58] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[10:34] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:16] <waltman> *YAWN*
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> honestly I stick to posting stephen colbert stuff and it works
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> reddit loves the colbert
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> 91 ups 10 downs
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/rr60c/gary_johnson_on_stephen_colbert/
[13:09] <PennBot> Title: Gary Johnson on Stephen Colbert : Libertarian (at www.reddit.com)
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> r/libertarian loves johnson, all of reddit loves colbert
[13:09] <MutantTurkey> clutch
[13:11] <SamuraiAlba> Bitches love Colbert
[13:12] <MutantTurkey> exactly
[13:12] <MutantTurkey> esp libertarian ones
[13:44] <aurigus> hey, anyone in philly want to get lunch today?
[13:45] <JonathanD> mmmm lunch...
[13:48] <MutantTurkey> aurigus: yum
[13:55] <MutantTurkey> can I pipe something with scp or something
[13:55] <MutantTurkey> I guess netcat is the way to do it?
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: What are you piping?
[14:06] <MutantTurkey> text
[14:06] <MutantTurkey> it didn't work though:|
[14:06] <MutantTurkey> this virtual host is at 100% space i can't resize it so i just wanted to pipe the data to my computer directly
[14:07] <ChinnoDog> you can tar over netcat
[14:08] <ChinnoDog> I seem to have lost my note on how to do that
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> I know you set up the listener first then send the data.
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> I used it to copy a hard drive.
[14:12] <MutantTurkey> yeah it's rather efficient
[14:24] <ChinnoDog> I think I also piped it through lzop when I did it to make it even more efficient
[14:24] <MutantTurkey> does that make it more efficient?
[14:24] <MutantTurkey> it all depends on what your bottleneck is
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> lzop is so fast it increases file copying speed even when just using it on your local hard disks
[14:25] <MutantTurkey> i assume it's your read/write speed, not network speed, since it's probably local
[14:25] <MutantTurkey> howso?
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> It is written to have excellent performance rather than a high compression ratio
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> That is why lzo is one of the available compression algorithms used with btrfs
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> It still compresses pretty well though.
[14:34] <MutantTurkey> right but i don't see how it would speed anything up
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> unless the bottneck is the network or the write speed
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> again, it'd be a waste because you'd have to extract it anyway if it was compressed
[14:38] <ChinnoDog> The bottleneck is your network. When you aren't using the network, the bottlneck is your local disk.
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> right
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> ok then :-)
[14:39] <ChinnoDog> Using lzop to compress a file on your local disk and write the compressed version to another location is faster than copying the uncompressed version because the algorithm is so fast that the compression latency is not significant
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> but consider that you'll have to decompress it anyway, and at that point you'll be hit with the same overhead as before, plus the overhead of decompression
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> no?
[14:40] <ChinnoDog> If you use lzop to compress your tar stream before sending it over netcat you could increase your throughput 40% without any noticable slowdown on either end from compression/decompresion
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> right
[14:40] <ChinnoDog> Not using lzop. It is faster than even 7-zip on the -mx=1 setting
[14:41] <MutantTurkey> what about locally though?
[14:41] <ChinnoDog> it doesn't save you anything if you are making an uncompressed copy locally, only if you are writing the comrpessed version to disk
[14:45] <passstab> re
[14:49] <MutantTurkey> errok
[15:19] <passstab> uwn would be a great project to be involved with?
[15:20] <passstab> how?
[15:20] <PennBot> It has been said that how is user diff from seen ?>, passstab
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> PennBot!
[15:20] <passstab> and why?
[15:20] <passstab> what?
[15:20] <passstab> so many questions
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: what is the question
[15:20] <PennBot> Wish I knew.
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: passstab?
[15:21] <PennBot> It has been said that passstab is regestered, ChinnoDog
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: ChinnoDog?
[15:21] <PennBot> hmm... ChinnoDog is not going to have them call me ChinnoDog. lol, ChinnoDog
[15:22] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: pleia2?
[15:22] <PennBot> Somebody said pleia2 is an atheist and skeptic, and almost done reading Genesis via Torah (translated to english, I'm not /that/ good), ChinnoDog
[15:22] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: MutantTurkey?
[15:22] <PennBot> I guess MutantTurkey is a internet sensation with 105 upvotes, ChinnoDog
[15:22] <ChinnoDog> haha
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> welp
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> whoa whoa
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> more now a days
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> PennBot: MutantTurkey is a internet sensation with 550 upvotes
[15:23] <PennBot> ... but MutantTurkey is a internet sensation with 105 upvotes ...
[15:23] <ChinnoDog> upvotes... on reddit?
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> yadowg
[15:24] <ChinnoDog> But you don't hang out in the philly reddit IRC channel
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> channel?
[15:27] <ChinnoDog> #reddit-philadelphia
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: they're a rowdy bunch
[15:33] <ChinnoDog> :-)
[15:37] <passstab> jedifj PM'd me
[15:37] <passstab> jedijf
[15:38] <passstab> that uwn would be a great project to be involved with
[15:39] <MutantTurkey> uwn?
[15:39] <passstab> ubuntu weekly news
[15:39] <passstab> i wouldn't have known it either if google didn't know me
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> oh
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> like lwn but not
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> ?
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[15:40] <passstab> and gratis
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> cool
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> i'd love to work for lwn or h-online
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> i like writing
[15:50] <passstab> unlike me
[15:51] <passstab> which is why i'm waiting for jedijf
[15:51] <passstab> should have used his name
[15:51] <passstab> sorry
[15:52] <passstab> how do i see why a package is installed with apt?
[15:53] <passstab> or any other CLI tool
[16:06] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: so what, they're basically all the self righteous male doushebarkes from philly?
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> lol
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> Joe_CoT: represent your channel
[16:09] <Joe_CoT> wait what?
[16:10] <Joe_CoT> who am I representing to?
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> me
[16:11] <Joe_CoT> you're already in there
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> no here
[16:12] <Joe_CoT> Why would I explain /r/philly IRC to you when you've been working there for weeks?
[16:12] <Joe_CoT> *lurking
[16:12] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey only went in there today
[16:13] <Joe_CoT> yes they're a rowdy bunch, a lot of the conversations are immature. a bunch of them are cool in person, a bunch of them aren't, a bunch of them are dramatic, a bunch of them spend most of their time trying to sleep with each other. It's an internet social group, that's what you get
[16:13] <Joe_CoT> also no I've seen him in there before
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> i don't think i have
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> maybe once
[16:14] <MutantTurkey> sleep with eachother? they're all men...
[16:15] <Joe_CoT> not all
[16:15] <ChinnoDog> Your preconceptions are preventing you from seeing what is in front of you
[16:15] <Joe_CoT> I'd say there's around a 4 to 1 ratio, but there is a ratio
[16:17] <MutantTurkey> oh?
[16:17] <Joe_CoT>  /r/philly a fun bunch, but they have their charlatans and their jerks, just like everyone else. And if you go to a reddit meetup trying to pick up girls, You're Gonna Have a Bad Time.
[16:18] <MutantTurkey> I can't imagine anyone would want too
[16:19] <Joe_CoT> you're not thinking with Portals
[16:19] <MutantTurkey> are we talking beer goggles?
[16:19] <Joe_CoT> I'm not getting into that discussion =P
[16:20] <Joe_CoT> anyway, they're cool peoples, but a little silly on IRC
[16:20] <Joe_CoT> and also a little silly in person
[16:21] <passstab> in bash should variables ALWAYS be in quotes?
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> i think everyone is a bit sillly
[16:32] <adom> hey all
[16:32] <adom> someone talk to me about 32bit vs 64bit for ubuntu. whats everyone using? (even if its not ubuntu)
[16:33] <Joe_CoT> I use 32 on some and 64 on others
[16:33] <adom> ive actually never ran a 64 bit system, even though my home desktop has a 64bit cpu
[16:33] <adom> just read something that pinched a nerve...
[16:33] <Joe_CoT> I run 32 at work and 64 at home
[16:33] <adom> Windows expert Mark Russinovich found that a desktop running 32-bit Windows with 4 GB of RAM and two 1 GB video cards only had 2.2 GB of RAM available for the operating system—so the bigger and better your video cards get, the less of that 4 GB will be accessible on a 32-bit system.
[16:33] <adom> never realized that
[16:33] <Joe_CoT> yes but keep PAE in mind
[16:33] <adom> Joe_CoT: is your home machine for gaming? media editing?
[16:33] <adom> PAE?
[16:34] <Joe_CoT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[16:34] <PennBot> Title: Physical Address Extension - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[16:34] <Joe_CoT> Ubuntu will use a PAE kernel by default if you have over 4gb of memory and are running the 32 bit version
[16:34] <Joe_CoT> it will access the memory slightly slower, but it will still work
[16:35] <Joe_CoT> the only drawback remaining is that no single app can use more than 4gb
[16:35] <adom> but that memory access will be a bit slower?
[16:35] <Joe_CoT> yes, but I doubt noticeably
[16:36] <adom> nonetheless. im going to install 64bit linux at home (dont have a valid 64bit win7 key atm)
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> I run 64 bit linux on my laptop, runs fine. I run 64 bit linux and windows on my desktop, which I use for gaming.
[16:36] <adom> offtopic: do you do any linux gaming?
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> 64 bit linux is pretty much fine at this point, the only flaw is Flash support
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> I do very little
[16:36] <adom> talk to me about 64bit flash support
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> I do very little gaming in general. My roommate uses the machine far more than I do
[16:36] <Joe_CoT> there's basically 3 ways to do 64 bit flash
[16:37] <Joe_CoT> you can use nspluginwrapper, which will allow the 32 bit flash plugin to run in a 64 bit browser. it has some flaws, and sometimes it crashes, but it mostly works fine
[16:37] <Joe_CoT> you can use the 64 bit flash plugin, but Adobe constantly goes back and forth on whether they're supporting it and releasing new versions (the answer write now is no)
[16:38] <Joe_CoT> you can use one of the open-source flash plugins, which for the most part suck
[16:39] <passstab> they do
[16:39] <Joe_CoT> they support it right now?
[16:40] <passstab> yes
[16:40] <adom> which do you use? 32bit version via nspluginwrapper, or actual 64bit plugin?
[16:40] <Joe_CoT> I don't even remember
[16:40] <Joe_CoT> it doesn't really come up. Ubuntu defaults to one or the other at this point, and it seems to work fine
[16:41] <passstab> thing is they don't support flash on linux so much now
[16:41] <passstab> unless you use chromium
[16:41] <Joe_CoT> yeah, they're cutting support for anything that doesn't support the Pepper api, which is only Chrome
[16:45] <MutantTurkey> basically asking for flash to die quicker than ever
[16:45] <MutantTurkey> no?
[16:47] <Joe_CoT> that's the consensus, or more likely asking for everyone to implement the Pepper API
[16:47] <Joe_CoT> which I imagine Firefox will eventually break down and do, like they did with h264
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> or not
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> I mean the current verson is going to be supported for how long?
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> security updates at least right?
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> 4 -5 years or something?
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> we can safely assume it will be largely gone by then
[16:49] <Joe_CoT> something like that yeah
[16:49] <Joe_CoT> there are still uses for flash though
[16:49] <MutantTurkey> so 5 years ago firefox 3 was released
[16:49] <MutantTurkey> yeah until someone implements a good way to deliver drm over the web
[16:49] <MutantTurkey> right
[16:49] <Joe_CoT> you're not going to see flash go away unless DRM gets added to html5 video
[16:49] <MutantTurkey> which it should
[16:49] <Joe_CoT> there's a big backlash to it, which while I understand, is counter-productive
[16:50] <MutantTurkey> why shouldn't it be included?
[16:50] <Joe_CoT> they're going to shove DRM in somehow no matter what we do
[16:50] <MutantTurkey> yep
[16:50] <Joe_CoT> the issue is that people are philosophically against DRM, which I can empathize with. but are options are: DRM through Flash, DRM through html5 video, not getting the content at all
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> why are people against drm?
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> if you don't want to use drm, then don't use it.
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> if companies want to do it, let them.
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> but just because you don't like something, doesn't mean someone else shouldn't be able to
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> that goes for weed, abortion, religion, health care. everything.
[17:09] <jedijf> passstab: check mail list i think i emailed uwn help needed before, or click your heels 3 times and say "pleia2 i want to assist with uwn, what can i do?" answer will be revealed
[17:12]  * passstab checks the mailing list
[17:12] <passstab> BTW are you on the plug list?
[17:13] <jedijf> yes, but rarely read it anymore
[17:13] <passstab> you might want to read the last few
[17:13] <passstab> i won't say more then that
[17:14] <passstab> i don't see the post you refered to
[17:14] <jedijf> you just degraded road safety in the springfield pa area
[17:15] <jedijf> ok, then click your heels
[17:17] <jedijf> passstab: esr??
[17:17] <jedijf> 175 unread btw
[17:24] <jedijf> pleia2: bclug'er popped up on list, you should have special guest taken them over for PLUG  when you were in town for ol' times sake
[17:50] <passstab> are you going?
[17:53] <pleia2> jedijf: hm, where?
[17:54] <pleia2> I guested at North in October, I think there were no PLUGs when I was in town this time
[17:59] <MutantTurkey> anyone understand xquery?
[17:59] <MutantTurkey> need some foo
[18:10] <jedijf> passstab: no go
[18:10] <jedijf> pleia2: on the list; said hello, i am former bc lugger.....
[18:11] <jedijf> pleia2: passtawants to be uwn jr editor; please assist
[18:11] <pleia2> aaahhh, I see
[18:12] <pleia2> passstab: join #ubuntu-news, we'll give you something to do :)
[18:12] <passstab> HUH?
[18:22]  * passstab accepts his having no say in the matter
[18:23] <ChinnoDog> pleia2 has spoken. obey
[18:23] <pleia2> you asked about uwn :)
[18:23] <pleia2> it is a great project to get involved with!
[18:25] <jedijf> passstab: you do all the work anyway with all your rss feed reading, just link it up and get cred
[18:25] <passstab> i asked why jedijf  was suggesting my contribution
[18:25] <passstab> oh
[18:25] <jedijf> or whatever pleia2 tells you to do
[18:25] <passstab> thats a good reason
[18:26] <pleia2> oh :)
[18:27] <passstab> it just didn't seem like a good fit to for someone who is bad at wrighting
[18:27] <passstab> and not a ubuntu fan
[18:27] <passstab> but thats a good reason
[18:28] <jedijf> 1) it can help with writing 2) it's just youth rebellion
[18:29] <jedijf> 3) w/o ubu all you young people would be all alone with NO linux'y events or friends
[18:29] <jedijf> it's ok to hate, as long as you're here....we'll wait
[18:31] <jedijf> and what will you do when the ubu rpi builds rocks them all?
[18:31] <jedijf> it's not like they don't have enough time to finish it...poke ssweeny
[18:34] <passstab> ...
[18:35] <passstab> ..
[18:35] <passstab> 1) i AM doing it
[18:36] <passstab> 2) how do you justify the contributer agreement?
[18:36] <passstab> 3) thats why i'm here at all
[18:54] <ssweeny> who's poking me now?
[18:59] <passstab> jedijf, thinks you should make ubu-rpi builds
[19:03] <MutantTurkey> so sleepy
[19:04] <ChinnoDog> too much turkey
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> (Incidentally, turkey making you any more sleepy than eating anything else is a myth.)
[19:06] <MutantTurkey> eating makes me sleephy
[19:09] <ChinnoDog> time to wake up MutantTurkey
[19:09]  * ChinnoDog slaps MutantTurkey around a bit with a large trout
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> oh boy
[19:18] <passstab> http://librivox.org/2012/04/05/jobs-were-hiring-a-tech-project-manager-and-a-developer/
[19:18] <PennBot> Title: LibriVox » Blog Archive » Jobs! Were hiring a tech project manager and a developer (at librivox.org)
[19:27] <passstab> what would a ubu-rpi do that a deb-rpi won't?
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> is there a good linux job jueing software
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> i have 128 cores. i have 18000 images to process
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> I don't want to execute 18000 processes
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> i want to execute 128 at a time
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> like -j128 with gcc
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> ideas?
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> jedijf:
[20:47] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: seems like bash script is simplest, especially if the images are named sanely and sequentially
[20:49] <jedijf> actually in the old days, that would be a one-liner
[20:50] <jedijf> nested loops - done
[20:55] <jedijf> cd's ordered