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AMIGAShow do i reset my task bar?00:00
TheCheggslike to the default setup?00:02
AMIGASno i cant see it00:02
TheCheggscan you open a terminal?00:02
AMIGASyes00:02
TheCheggstype in lxpanel00:02
TheCheggsdoes it bring it back?00:03
AMIGASno00:03
TheCheggswait do you mean the panel at the bottom or what shows your currently opened windows?00:03
AMIGASopen windows00:04
TheCheggsalright, right click the panel at the bottom00:04
TheCheggsthen add/remove panel items00:04
TheCheggsthen add00:04
TheCheggsand look for task bar00:05
TheCheggsclick it then click add00:05
AMIGASlol no i cant see my top panel bar00:12
TheCheggshold on i gotta brb00:13
AMIGASwxl: how do i reset my top panel bar?00:14
wxlAMIGAS: you have two bars or one?00:15
AMIGAStwo lol00:15
TheCheggsback00:15
wxlok so what are in those two bars, just so i'm clear?00:15
wxl(i realize one is gone; let me know what's expected to be in the one missing one)00:16
AMIGASdesktop pager, apps, music player, etc... :D00:17
wxlok so that's part of lxpanel for sure00:17
wxlso alt-f2 and type `lxpanelctl restart` and hit enter and you're good00:17
AMIGASwow working00:21
wxlremember that one, AMIGAS00:22
wxlanother one to remember if you have a more system-wide problem is `openbox --restart`00:22
AMIGASoh so what does this one do00:23
wxlit will restart the whole window manager00:23
AMIGASoh cool, so is there any more that will be useful?00:24
AMIGASbrb00:24
AMIGASback00:32
AMIGASoh cool, so is there any more that will be useful?00:33
wxlwell sure for specific things00:33
wxlyou remember that wiki link i gave you yesterday?00:34
AMIGASyes but the browser isn't working00:34
wxlwat do you mean it's not working?00:35
AMIGASever freeze the computer or just slows ut down, really slow :D00:35
wxlyou should try some very simple browser like dillo00:36
AMIGASthrough terminal00:36
wxlit's not a terminal browser, no, but there are many of those, too00:37
AMIGASoh like00:37
AMIGAS:D how do you get it through terminal you know the sudo thing00:38
wxlsudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dillo00:38
AMIGASoh00:41
AMIGASloading dependency tree00:44
AMIGASwxl: have any to lesses the memory beong used?00:49
wxlAMIGAS: ctl-alt-del00:50
AMIGASwxl: it say dillo isn't available00:51
wxlAMIGAS: give me EXACTLY what it says00:52
AMIGASPackage dillo is not available, but is referred to by another package.00:52
AMIGASThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or00:52
AMIGASis only available from another source00:52
AMIGASE: Package 'dillo' has no installation candidate00:52
wxlomg00:54
wxlhow BIZARRE00:54
wxlthere's a hardy version of dillo and a precise version and that's it00:54
wxlwtf00:54
AMIGAS:D oh00:55
AMIGASloading... one sec00:56
wxlAMIGAS: try arora maybe00:57
Unit193That's generally dead, but still in repo.00:57
wxli'm trying to think graphical and lightweight here00:57
wxlhelp me out Unit19300:57
Unit193Midori, arora, xxxterm....00:58
micahgiceroot: if you would like to prepare a debdiff for the xfce4-power-manager issue, I would be happy to sponsor it next week if no one beats me to it00:58
wxlbah midori's yuck00:59
Unit193uzbl. ;)00:59
micahgwxl: there are surf and uzbl in precise01:00
wxloooh never used that!01:00
wxloh wows i got to check that out01:00
wxlhe needs >precise01:00
Unit193Oneiric has it, uzbl.01:01
wxlthere!01:01
wxltry uzbl AMIGAS !!!01:01
AMIGASwxl: wzbl you say... oh ok01:01
wxluzbl01:02
wxlUnit193: they include -tabbed?01:02
Unit193Don't remember.01:02
wxloh wow look i didn't know there was a linux silverlight clone. cool.01:02
Unit193It's dead though, isn't it?01:03
AMIGASwxl: what's a silverlight clone?01:03
wxlAMIGAS: you prolly don't need one :D01:04
AMIGASwxl: still wanna know01:04
wxlUnit193: doesn't seem to be. there's still pumping out plugins for chromium. howwver i think this is silverlight 2.0 and i think silverlight is on 5.x01:04
wxlAMIGAS: silverlight is framework for internet apps that microsoft made.01:05
AMIGASwxl: oh cool01:05
wxl-tabbed, -event-manager, and -cookie-daemon are all included. oh i'm so downloading uzbl tonight01:06
AMIGASwxl: it's grest for you01:07
AMIGASwxl: it said Reading package lists... Done01:08
AMIGASBuilding dependency tree01:08
AMIGASReading state information... Done01:08
AMIGASE: Unable to locate package wzbl01:08
wxlAMIGAS: uzbl01:08
wxlnot wzbl01:08
AMIGASwxl: oh Uzbl :D01:09
AMIGASwxl: my bad01:09
AMIGASwxl: loading... so what does uzbl mean?01:11
wxlAMIGAS: "usable"01:11
AMIGASwxl: that's a funny way to put it U-Z-BL01:12
wxlk time to go01:13
AMIGASadios amigo01:13
wxlsee you tomorrow AMIGAS :D01:13
AMIGAShasts mananna01:13
AMIGAS*hasta01:14
icerootmicahg: sounds good i will put the debdiff on the bug then01:14
AMIGASwxl: hasta mananna01:15
AMIGASwxl: spanish for what you said01:15
micahgiceroot: go ahead and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors when you add  the debdiff, if no one beats me to it, I will upload it sometime next week01:16
icerootmicahg: sounds good01:18
AMIGASunit193: when the process is finish on terminal, where do i find the browser?01:19
Unit193Internet section.01:20
micahgiceroot: I will give you a bug task as well01:22
AMIGAShow do i get the browser app to appear in the menu02:04
AMIGASunit193: how do i get the browser app to appear in the menu?02:13
CTtechguyanyone here watch videos off their iphone in lubuntu?02:28
AMIGASwhat are the controls for uzbl?02:30
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AMIGASwxl: the browser is cool and all but the keyboard isn't working?15:18
bioterrorAMIGAS, you mean that uzbl?15:20
AMIGASbioterror: yes, it's not working for you too?15:20
bioterrorAMIGAS, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UZBL-Browser#Commands15:21
AMIGASbioterror: i just need to know how to work the keyboard on it15:22
bioterrorand that explains it15:22
AMIGASoh i dont get it15:23
mauriiciohi all16:51
mauriicioi have a question: in nautilus, to open multiple files (example: multiple videos or songs), i select the files and press <enter>. but in pcmanfm, if i do same thing, it opens only the last file of the selecteds.16:54
mauriiciohow I open multiple files in pcmanfm ?16:55
mauriicioanybody helps me ?16:58
kanliotdrag and drop out of pcmanfm to whatever17:01
mauriiciohey kanliot, thanks !17:02
mauriicioi know this, but i imagine pcmanfm same of nautilus in this question17:03
mauriiciosorry english17:03
kanliothonestly i've never used nautilus for longer than 10 minutes17:04
kanliot:)17:04
mauriiciohehe17:04
kanliotcan you open multiple files with right clicking on multiple?17:04
kanlioti know i used to do that17:04
kanliotyeah it actually works17:06
kanliotso there u are17:06
kanliot:)17:06
mauriiciosorry, i was in phone17:14
mauriiciohey, thanks !17:15
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icerootthere are programs like "lxkeymap" which are names "lxkeymap" in the menu. what about replacing that name with a more usefull name? noone knows what lx means, and non-english persons dont know what keymap is. are we have something like "altername name for the menu"?18:26
icerootthe same for xpad18:26
bioterrorwhat if you let your mouse hang there for a moment18:26
icerootbioterror: normal users dont do that :)18:27
kanliotactually on my pc, it does have a tooltip popup on hover18:27
bioterrorokay18:27
icerootbioterror: e.g. there are 30 entries in the menu i dont want to put the mouse on every entry to see if it is "tastatur-layout"18:27
bioterrorlxkeymap's information is fcsck'd up :D18:27
icerootso i want translated menu items18:28
bioterroryou're free to join translate team ;)18:28
Unit193Good patches welcome.18:28
icerootbioterror: i dont know if it is a bug for the translation team or an lxkeymap bug or an menu bug18:28
kanliotdo patches really help for small bugs?18:28
icerootits more a bug like "lets use usefull names for tools instead of lxfoobar"18:29
icerootalso, calculator18:29
Unit193What do you think !papercut team does?18:29
iceroot!papercut18:30
ubottuA papercut is a trivially fixable usability bug in a central Ubuntu component. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut for more info18:30
icerootso i will open bugs against lxkeymap, leafpad, calculator and so on and assign papercut or provice a patch by myself?18:31
Unit193Patch, I'd think.18:31
iceroothm18:32
icerooti am not sure what the patch should look like, add language support with po-templates so that launchpad can used for translation?18:33
icerooti think i will have a look at "deja-dup" which is showing correctly as "datensicherung" in the menu how it is handled there18:34
kanliotthat would be a bug against the deja-dup package whatever it is18:35
icerootdeja-dup is fine.18:36
icerootit was an example about a correct translated package with a usefull name in the menu18:36
icerootmaybe in english its "backup" and in german its "datensicherung". much better then there would be "deja-dup" as the menu-name18:36
icerootand my goal is to replace e.g. lxkeymap with a more usefull name in the menu18:37
icerootbut i dont know if it is a wanted feature18:38
icerootgilir:18:38
icerootgilir: maybe you can share your opinion on that?18:38
Unit193I personally want to know the what program I'm opening, when you have two, "Web browser" and "File Manager" is just a pain.18:40
icerootbut i think a normal user (and/or a non-english person) dont know what lxkeymap means18:41
iceroote.g. deja-dup, no person would think that the name "deja-dup" means backup-solution so the package has a usefull name in the menu and everyone knows what it does18:42
kanliotman, file a bug against lxkeymap, let us review it so it looks right18:43
kanliotk?18:43
iceroote.g. pcmanfm is called filebrowser/dateimanager18:43
icerootkanliot: its more of a question if that is usefull what i am saying18:44
kanlioti don't understand18:44
kanliotfiling a bug is the first part of the process18:44
icerooti dont want to file 30 bugs when all are marked as invalid18:44
kanliot:)18:45
kanliotnobody cares18:45
icerootthe bug-creator does :)18:45
kanliotwe already ran our only girl on the lubuntu team out this week18:45
kanliotshe only lasted an hour with us before she rage-quit18:45
icerooti dont get what that has to do with my question18:46
kanliotand i don't understand why you want a 1000 batting average on bugs18:46
icerootmaybe i should find a better place to discuss that topic18:47
kanliotlol18:47
kanlioti will be quiet now18:47
kanliot:)18:47
icerootmy question was just "what do you think about replacing program names in the menu with a name which is telling the user what the program is doing"18:48
kanliotwell doesn't matter what i think, unless i'm the maintainer of lxkeymap package18:48
kanliotNo?  i'm kinda new too maybe it's more complex than that18:49
bioterrorname should not matter as the comment is there18:49
kanliotbio i don't understand18:49
bioterrorI remember when Windows 95 had this "Internet" icon on desktop18:50
icerootnow its firefox web browser18:50
icerootsounds good to me18:50
bioterrorkanliot, every .desktop -file has this "Comment" field18:50
kanliotok18:50
icerootbad would be "firefox" good is "firefox web browser" (imo)18:51
kanlioti can't agree more, some of the comment fields are pretty lazy, could be better18:51
kanliotdoes the name on the lxde menu come from the name of the .desktop file?18:52
bioterrorofcourse it does18:52
kanliotso you would want to change that too18:53
kanliotbut where do the names get translated?18:53
bioterrorthat's what should be "change"18:53
bioterrorkanliot, from .desktop -file18:53
kanliottranslated in ubuntu, or translated in lxkeymap?18:53
bioterrordont you guys inspect what /usr/share/applications/ contains?18:53
kanliot^18:53
kanliotlol18:54
kanliotno18:54
kanliotthere's a usr/share directory?18:54
bioterrorno18:54
bioterrorthere's  /usr/share/18:54
kanliot:(18:54
icerootmenu: "lxkeymap keyboard-layout"  comment: "Set the keyboard-layout"   something like that would be good (imo) and the comment translated18:55
bioterror/usr/share/applications/chromium-browser.desktop18:55
bioterrorthat's a good example how it's done18:55
icerootbioterror: thank you18:56
bioterror/usr/share/applications/lxkeymap.desktop that's a good example what my ~/.config/autostart/foobar.desktop looks like :D18:56
icerooti will open some bugs, put a patch/debdiff on the bug and see what will happen18:56
wxlwe should make a script that just makes .desktop files19:00
wxltoo bad i think of this before feature freeze :D19:00
wxlAMIGAS: what do you need to know abotu uzbl?19:13
AMIGASlike the keyboard isn't working19:13
wxlyou mean the keyboard shortcuts don't work?19:13
AMIGASnothing19:14
wxlwhat are you trying to do?19:14
AMIGAStype into google but it wouldn't type19:15
wxltype INTO google or open google?19:15
wxlopening google is `o google`19:15
wxloops19:15
wxl`o google.com`19:15
wxlthen typing INTO google you need to first hit `i` i believe19:16
wxli'm loading it now so we can walk through this together19:17
bioterrorI believe that this uzbl is horrible software :D19:17
AMIGAS:D19:17
wxlwell hook him up with another lightweight web browser, bioterror19:17
AMIGAShow go you put it in the menu?19:17
TheCheggsevening all19:17
wxlyou mean in the "internet" section?19:18
AMIGASyes19:18
bioterrorI used xxxterm for a couple of nights19:18
bioterrorbut I like all the thingies on chromium ;)19:18
bioterrorjust like I like my car with ACC and cruise19:18
wxlhe has trouble with chromium apparently19:19
wxlso there you go, maybe try xxxterm19:19
AMIGASwhat about chrome, is it available?19:19
bioterrorAMIGAS, no difference between chrome and chromium19:19
bioterrorexcept chrome comes with flashplayer bundled19:19
bioterrorand it spies what you do19:20
TheCheggschrome = bad19:20
AMIGAS:D bad= for what?19:20
TheCheggschrome just likes to track your movements on the internet19:21
AMIGASwow, it's my favorite browser on my windsow 7, it and firefox :D19:23
bioterrorTheCheggs, also facebook follows where you go :D19:24
bioterrorand what you do19:24
AMIGASwhat's the differents between Xterm and UXterm?19:24
TheCheggssure does19:24
bioterrorAMIGAS, probably U stands for Unicode19:24
wxlAMIGAS: unicode19:24
wxlunicode is a good thing19:24
bioterrorjust like rxvt-unicode has a binary called urxvt19:24
wxlespecially if you use a non-english language19:25
AMIGASoh19:25
AMIGASfacebook follows where you go?19:27
bioterroryes19:27
wxlwho doesn't?19:27
wxlgoogle does19:27
bioterrorif you have logged in, you have cookies19:27
bioterrorand they sees19:27
wxlamerica does :D19:27
bioterroryou can see from news pages or somewhere else that "this and this many friends of yours likes this"19:27
wxlthe illuminati do XD19:27
bioterrorthat's why you can install extensions like "fb disconnect" ;)19:28
bioterrorand google analytics blocker19:28
TheCheggsHA TAKE THAT GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK!19:28
bioterrorGhostery tells too stuff19:28
AMIGASoh19:30
wxlyou should only use wget for grabbing web pages19:33
wxljust kidding :D19:33
TheCheggsbrb lads19:33
TheCheggsman i love lxde19:47
TheCheggsand i love lubuntu19:47
phillwTheCheggs: glad you like it.19:51
TheCheggs:)19:52
doogiekd1dear friends, this multimedia keyboard problem is driving me crazy! any suggestions? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=195279520:12
morriquick, how do i access desktop background changing menu by terminal?20:15
phillwdoogiekd1: would be so kind as to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Bugs and raise a bug. That section does say why :)20:15
wxlphillw: are you sure this is a bug?20:15
phillwwxl: it can be changed to Wish List, but should be logged.20:17
wxli mean did we already trouble shoot this?20:17
phillwwxl: there seems enough info on there for it to be progressed, if you think ML is better place at present it can be cc'd there, but there is only one one central place to issue requests / bugs.20:19
Unit193morri: pcmanfm --desktop-pref20:19
wxlphillw: what i'm saying is, this is a known problem?20:20
morrithanks20:20
phillwwxl: I do not recall a bug on it. but my memory of the multiude of bug reports that arrive each day is not perfect.20:21
wxldoogiekd1: have you confirmed that all of those <commands> work?20:22
doogiekd1checking now20:22
doogiekd1sorry - i forgot i checked this earlier: entering "amixer -q sset Master 3%+" in terminal gets "Unable to find simple control 'Master',0"20:24
wxlthere you go-- so you need that command corrected20:25
doogiekd1i tried changing the command using amixer -c 0 set Master 3%+, changing 0 to 1,2,3 as suggested on other websites but nothing works.20:27
wxli believe you want `Master playback 3%+`20:27
doogiekd1okay, wxl (excited typing now) i'm going to change it to that.20:29
doogiekd1changed command in lxde-rc.xml to "amixer -q sset Master playback 3%+" and entered "openbox --restart" in terminal. did not solve issue.20:32
doogiekd1or should i have left out "amixer -q sset" ?20:33
wxldoogiekd1: again, keep trying the command in terminal to be sure that it's right before changing your config20:33
doogiekd1duh! i should know that. entering "amixer -q sset Master playback 3%+" in terminal results in "Unable to find simple control 'Master',0"20:35
wxltry `amixer -c 1 sset Master playback 3%+`20:38
doogiekd1bingo? entering "amixer -c 1 sset Master playback 3%+" in terminal results in: "Simple mixer control 'Master',0   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum   Playback channels: Mono   Limits: Playback 0 - 64   Mono: Playback 45 [70%] [-19.00dB] [on]20:40
wxlgood now edit your config and try again20:40
doogiekd1wxl: bingo! you are a genius! thank you so much! this has taken me three days 2 figure out!20:46
wxlsee phillw ??? not a bug!20:50
wxlno prob doogiekd120:50
wxlbtw i'd recommend popping in here with your lxde issues. #lxde is a ghost town20:50
wxlfor that matter lubuntu = lxde so…20:50
wxlanywho brb20:50
Unit193Isn't it more on the other network?20:50
Unit193lubuntu != lxde, it uses LXDE.20:51
doogiekd1okay. wondering if this change pertains to me only or is this something lxde-rc.xml should default to?20:51
phillwwxl: make it a section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides20:51
subiloving lubuntu on my nw netbook20:51
subihad win 720:52
phillwwxl: That way, it is there for everyone :)20:52
subithen ubuntu - too heavy20:52
subinow lubuntu - class20:53
icerootafter i translated lxkeymap into german with lp are any further steps needed so that it will hit lubuntu?20:53
doogiekd1thanx, my people.20:53
icerootthe changes are in https://translations.launchpad.net/lxkeymap/trunk20:54
icerootTranslations are imported with every update from branch lp:lxkeymap.20:56
icerootsometimes its better to do some reading instead of spaming the channel :)20:56
phillwiceroot: dropping an email to Julien is not against the rules :) Yes, he is busy, but things to improve lubuntu are welcomed.21:12
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sparkz_Hi ! I have a sound problem on my new eeepc 1215B, my sound output is automaticaly set to HDMI, how could i change it to speakers ?22:01
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ryahHi. I am trying to use lubuntu with a different window manager (i3). What should I launch when i3 starts so that I have all the normal services. So far I'm only doing xfce-power-manager and nm-applet22:37
ryahI see there is a lxsession command...22:38

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