[00:00] <AMIGAS> how do i reset my task bar?
[00:02] <TheCheggs> like to the default setup?
[00:02] <AMIGAS> no i cant see it
[00:02] <TheCheggs> can you open a terminal?
[00:02] <AMIGAS> yes
[00:02] <TheCheggs> type in lxpanel
[00:03] <TheCheggs> does it bring it back?
[00:03] <AMIGAS> no
[00:03] <TheCheggs> wait do you mean the panel at the bottom or what shows your currently opened windows?
[00:04] <AMIGAS> open windows
[00:04] <TheCheggs> alright, right click the panel at the bottom
[00:04] <TheCheggs> then add/remove panel items
[00:04] <TheCheggs> then add
[00:05] <TheCheggs> and look for task bar
[00:05] <TheCheggs> click it then click add
[00:12] <AMIGAS> lol no i cant see my top panel bar
[00:13] <TheCheggs> hold on i gotta brb
[00:14] <AMIGAS> wxl: how do i reset my top panel bar?
[00:15] <wxl> AMIGAS: you have two bars or one?
[00:15] <AMIGAS> two lol
[00:15] <TheCheggs> back
[00:15] <wxl> ok so what are in those two bars, just so i'm clear?
[00:16] <wxl> (i realize one is gone; let me know what's expected to be in the one missing one)
[00:17] <AMIGAS> desktop pager, apps, music player, etc... :D
[00:17] <wxl> ok so that's part of lxpanel for sure
[00:17] <wxl> so alt-f2 and type `lxpanelctl restart` and hit enter and you're good
[00:21] <AMIGAS> wow working
[00:22] <wxl> remember that one, AMIGAS
[00:22] <wxl> another one to remember if you have a more system-wide problem is `openbox --restart`
[00:23] <AMIGAS> oh so what does this one do
[00:23] <wxl> it will restart the whole window manager
[00:24] <AMIGAS> oh cool, so is there any more that will be useful?
[00:24] <AMIGAS> brb
[00:32] <AMIGAS> back
[00:33] <AMIGAS> oh cool, so is there any more that will be useful?
[00:33] <wxl> well sure for specific things
[00:34] <wxl> you remember that wiki link i gave you yesterday?
[00:34] <AMIGAS> yes but the browser isn't working
[00:35] <wxl> wat do you mean it's not working?
[00:35] <AMIGAS> ever freeze the computer or just slows ut down, really slow :D
[00:36] <wxl> you should try some very simple browser like dillo
[00:36] <AMIGAS> through terminal
[00:37] <wxl> it's not a terminal browser, no, but there are many of those, too
[00:37] <AMIGAS> oh like
[00:38] <AMIGAS> :D how do you get it through terminal you know the sudo thing
[00:38] <wxl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dillo
[00:41] <AMIGAS> oh
[00:44] <AMIGAS> loading dependency tree
[00:49] <AMIGAS> wxl: have any to lesses the memory beong used?
[00:50] <wxl> AMIGAS: ctl-alt-del
[00:51] <AMIGAS> wxl: it say dillo isn't available
[00:52] <wxl> AMIGAS: give me EXACTLY what it says
[00:52] <AMIGAS> Package dillo is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[00:52] <AMIGAS> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[00:52] <AMIGAS> is only available from another source
[00:52] <AMIGAS> E: Package 'dillo' has no installation candidate
[00:54] <wxl> omg
[00:54] <wxl> how BIZARRE
[00:54] <wxl> there's a hardy version of dillo and a precise version and that's it
[00:54] <wxl> wtf
[00:55] <AMIGAS> :D oh
[00:56] <AMIGAS> loading... one sec
[00:57] <wxl> AMIGAS: try arora maybe
[00:57] <Unit193> That's generally dead, but still in repo.
[00:57] <wxl> i'm trying to think graphical and lightweight here
[00:57] <wxl> help me out Unit193
[00:58] <Unit193> Midori, arora, xxxterm....
[00:58] <micahg> iceroot: if you would like to prepare a debdiff for the xfce4-power-manager issue, I would be happy to sponsor it next week if no one beats me to it
[00:59] <wxl> bah midori's yuck
[00:59] <Unit193> uzbl. ;)
[01:00] <micahg> wxl: there are surf and uzbl in precise
[01:00] <wxl> oooh never used that!
[01:00] <wxl> oh wows i got to check that out
[01:00] <wxl> he needs >precise
[01:01] <Unit193> Oneiric has it, uzbl.
[01:01] <wxl> there!
[01:01] <wxl> try uzbl AMIGAS !!!
[01:01] <AMIGAS> wxl: wzbl you say... oh ok
[01:02] <wxl> uzbl
[01:02] <wxl> Unit193: they include -tabbed?
[01:02] <Unit193> Don't remember.
[01:02] <wxl> oh wow look i didn't know there was a linux silverlight clone. cool.
[01:03] <Unit193> It's dead though, isn't it?
[01:03] <AMIGAS> wxl: what's a silverlight clone?
[01:04] <wxl> AMIGAS: you prolly don't need one :D
[01:04] <AMIGAS> wxl: still wanna know
[01:04] <wxl> Unit193: doesn't seem to be. there's still pumping out plugins for chromium. howwver i think this is silverlight 2.0 and i think silverlight is on 5.x
[01:05] <wxl> AMIGAS: silverlight is framework for internet apps that microsoft made.
[01:05] <AMIGAS> wxl: oh cool
[01:06] <wxl> -tabbed, -event-manager, and -cookie-daemon are all included. oh i'm so downloading uzbl tonight
[01:07] <AMIGAS> wxl: it's grest for you
[01:08] <AMIGAS> wxl: it said Reading package lists... Done
[01:08] <AMIGAS> Building dependency tree
[01:08] <AMIGAS> Reading state information... Done
[01:08] <AMIGAS> E: Unable to locate package wzbl
[01:08] <wxl> AMIGAS: uzbl
[01:08] <wxl> not wzbl
[01:09] <AMIGAS> wxl: oh Uzbl :D
[01:09] <AMIGAS> wxl: my bad
[01:11] <AMIGAS> wxl: loading... so what does uzbl mean?
[01:11] <wxl> AMIGAS: "usable"
[01:12] <AMIGAS> wxl: that's a funny way to put it U-Z-BL
[01:13] <wxl> k time to go
[01:13] <AMIGAS> adios amigo
[01:13] <wxl> see you tomorrow AMIGAS :D
[01:13] <AMIGAS> hasts mananna
[01:14] <AMIGAS> *hasta
[01:14] <iceroot> micahg: sounds good i will put the debdiff on the bug then
[01:15] <AMIGAS> wxl: hasta mananna
[01:15] <AMIGAS> wxl: spanish for what you said
[01:16] <micahg> iceroot: go ahead and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors when you add  the debdiff, if no one beats me to it, I will upload it sometime next week
[01:18] <iceroot> micahg: sounds good
[01:19] <AMIGAS> unit193: when the process is finish on terminal, where do i find the browser?
[01:20] <Unit193> Internet section.
[01:22] <micahg> iceroot: I will give you a bug task as well
[02:04] <AMIGAS> how do i get the browser app to appear in the menu
[02:13] <AMIGAS> unit193: how do i get the browser app to appear in the menu?
[02:28] <CTtechguy> anyone here watch videos off their iphone in lubuntu?
[02:30] <AMIGAS> what are the controls for uzbl?
[15:18] <AMIGAS> wxl: the browser is cool and all but the keyboard isn't working?
[15:20] <bioterror> AMIGAS, you mean that uzbl?
[15:20] <AMIGAS> bioterror: yes, it's not working for you too?
[15:21] <bioterror> AMIGAS, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UZBL-Browser#Commands
[15:22] <AMIGAS> bioterror: i just need to know how to work the keyboard on it
[15:22] <bioterror> and that explains it
[15:23] <AMIGAS> oh i dont get it
[16:51] <mauriicio> hi all
[16:54] <mauriicio> i have a question: in nautilus, to open multiple files (example: multiple videos or songs), i select the files and press <enter>. but in pcmanfm, if i do same thing, it opens only the last file of the selecteds.
[16:55] <mauriicio> how I open multiple files in pcmanfm ?
[16:58] <mauriicio> anybody helps me ?
[17:01] <kanliot> drag and drop out of pcmanfm to whatever
[17:02] <mauriicio> hey kanliot, thanks !
[17:03] <mauriicio> i know this, but i imagine pcmanfm same of nautilus in this question
[17:03] <mauriicio> sorry english
[17:04] <kanliot> honestly i've never used nautilus for longer than 10 minutes
[17:04] <kanliot> :)
[17:04] <mauriicio> hehe
[17:04] <kanliot> can you open multiple files with right clicking on multiple?
[17:04] <kanliot> i know i used to do that
[17:06] <kanliot> yeah it actually works
[17:06] <kanliot> so there u are
[17:06] <kanliot> :)
[17:14] <mauriicio> sorry, i was in phone
[17:15] <mauriicio> hey, thanks !
[18:26] <iceroot> there are programs like "lxkeymap" which are names "lxkeymap" in the menu. what about replacing that name with a more usefull name? noone knows what lx means, and non-english persons dont know what keymap is. are we have something like "altername name for the menu"?
[18:26] <iceroot> the same for xpad
[18:26] <bioterror> what if you let your mouse hang there for a moment
[18:27] <iceroot> bioterror: normal users dont do that :)
[18:27] <kanliot> actually on my pc, it does have a tooltip popup on hover
[18:27] <bioterror> okay
[18:27] <iceroot> bioterror: e.g. there are 30 entries in the menu i dont want to put the mouse on every entry to see if it is "tastatur-layout"
[18:27] <bioterror> lxkeymap's information is fcsck'd up :D
[18:28] <iceroot> so i want translated menu items
[18:28] <bioterror> you're free to join translate team ;)
[18:28] <Unit193> Good patches welcome.
[18:28] <iceroot> bioterror: i dont know if it is a bug for the translation team or an lxkeymap bug or an menu bug
[18:28] <kanliot> do patches really help for small bugs?
[18:29] <iceroot> its more a bug like "lets use usefull names for tools instead of lxfoobar"
[18:29] <iceroot> also, calculator
[18:29] <Unit193> What do you think !papercut team does?
[18:30] <iceroot> !papercut
[18:31] <iceroot> so i will open bugs against lxkeymap, leafpad, calculator and so on and assign papercut or provice a patch by myself?
[18:31] <Unit193> Patch, I'd think.
[18:32] <iceroot> hm
[18:33] <iceroot> i am not sure what the patch should look like, add language support with po-templates so that launchpad can used for translation?
[18:34] <iceroot> i think i will have a look at "deja-dup" which is showing correctly as "datensicherung" in the menu how it is handled there
[18:35] <kanliot> that would be a bug against the deja-dup package whatever it is
[18:36] <iceroot> deja-dup is fine.
[18:36] <iceroot> it was an example about a correct translated package with a usefull name in the menu
[18:36] <iceroot> maybe in english its "backup" and in german its "datensicherung". much better then there would be "deja-dup" as the menu-name
[18:37] <iceroot> and my goal is to replace e.g. lxkeymap with a more usefull name in the menu
[18:38] <iceroot> but i dont know if it is a wanted feature
[18:38] <iceroot> gilir:
[18:38] <iceroot> gilir: maybe you can share your opinion on that?
[18:40] <Unit193> I personally want to know the what program I'm opening, when you have two, "Web browser" and "File Manager" is just a pain.
[18:41] <iceroot> but i think a normal user (and/or a non-english person) dont know what lxkeymap means
[18:42] <iceroot> e.g. deja-dup, no person would think that the name "deja-dup" means backup-solution so the package has a usefull name in the menu and everyone knows what it does
[18:43] <kanliot> man, file a bug against lxkeymap, let us review it so it looks right
[18:43] <kanliot> k?
[18:43] <iceroot> e.g. pcmanfm is called filebrowser/dateimanager
[18:44] <iceroot> kanliot: its more of a question if that is usefull what i am saying
[18:44] <kanliot> i don't understand
[18:44] <kanliot> filing a bug is the first part of the process
[18:44] <iceroot> i dont want to file 30 bugs when all are marked as invalid
[18:45] <kanliot> :)
[18:45] <kanliot> nobody cares
[18:45] <iceroot> the bug-creator does :)
[18:45] <kanliot> we already ran our only girl on the lubuntu team out this week
[18:45] <kanliot> she only lasted an hour with us before she rage-quit
[18:46] <iceroot> i dont get what that has to do with my question
[18:46] <kanliot> and i don't understand why you want a 1000 batting average on bugs
[18:47] <iceroot> maybe i should find a better place to discuss that topic
[18:47] <kanliot> lol
[18:47] <kanliot> i will be quiet now
[18:47] <kanliot> :)
[18:48] <iceroot> my question was just "what do you think about replacing program names in the menu with a name which is telling the user what the program is doing"
[18:48] <kanliot> well doesn't matter what i think, unless i'm the maintainer of lxkeymap package
[18:49] <kanliot> No?  i'm kinda new too maybe it's more complex than that
[18:49] <bioterror> name should not matter as the comment is there
[18:49] <kanliot> bio i don't understand
[18:50] <bioterror> I remember when Windows 95 had this "Internet" icon on desktop
[18:50] <iceroot> now its firefox web browser
[18:50] <iceroot> sounds good to me
[18:50] <bioterror> kanliot, every .desktop -file has this "Comment" field
[18:50] <kanliot> ok
[18:51] <iceroot> bad would be "firefox" good is "firefox web browser" (imo)
[18:51] <kanliot> i can't agree more, some of the comment fields are pretty lazy, could be better
[18:52] <kanliot> does the name on the lxde menu come from the name of the .desktop file?
[18:52] <bioterror> ofcourse it does
[18:53] <kanliot> so you would want to change that too
[18:53] <kanliot> but where do the names get translated?
[18:53] <bioterror> that's what should be "change"
[18:53] <bioterror> kanliot, from .desktop -file
[18:53] <kanliot> translated in ubuntu, or translated in lxkeymap?
[18:53] <bioterror> dont you guys inspect what /usr/share/applications/ contains?
[18:53] <kanliot> ^
[18:54] <kanliot> lol
[18:54] <kanliot> no
[18:54] <kanliot> there's a usr/share directory?
[18:54] <bioterror> no
[18:54] <bioterror> there's  /usr/share/
[18:54] <kanliot> :(
[18:55] <iceroot> menu: "lxkeymap keyboard-layout"  comment: "Set the keyboard-layout"   something like that would be good (imo) and the comment translated
[18:55] <bioterror> /usr/share/applications/chromium-browser.desktop
[18:55] <bioterror> that's a good example how it's done
[18:56] <iceroot> bioterror: thank you
[18:56] <bioterror> /usr/share/applications/lxkeymap.desktop that's a good example what my ~/.config/autostart/foobar.desktop looks like :D
[18:56] <iceroot> i will open some bugs, put a patch/debdiff on the bug and see what will happen
[19:00] <wxl> we should make a script that just makes .desktop files
[19:00] <wxl> too bad i think of this before feature freeze :D
[19:13] <wxl> AMIGAS: what do you need to know abotu uzbl?
[19:13] <AMIGAS> like the keyboard isn't working
[19:13] <wxl> you mean the keyboard shortcuts don't work?
[19:14] <AMIGAS> nothing
[19:14] <wxl> what are you trying to do?
[19:15] <AMIGAS> type into google but it wouldn't type
[19:15] <wxl> type INTO google or open google?
[19:15] <wxl> opening google is `o google`
[19:15] <wxl> oops
[19:15] <wxl> `o google.com`
[19:16] <wxl> then typing INTO google you need to first hit `i` i believe
[19:17] <wxl> i'm loading it now so we can walk through this together
[19:17] <bioterror> I believe that this uzbl is horrible software :D
[19:17] <AMIGAS> :D
[19:17] <wxl> well hook him up with another lightweight web browser, bioterror
[19:17] <AMIGAS> how go you put it in the menu?
[19:17] <TheCheggs> evening all
[19:18] <wxl> you mean in the "internet" section?
[19:18] <AMIGAS> yes
[19:18] <bioterror> I used xxxterm for a couple of nights
[19:18] <bioterror> but I like all the thingies on chromium ;)
[19:18] <bioterror> just like I like my car with ACC and cruise
[19:19] <wxl> he has trouble with chromium apparently
[19:19] <wxl> so there you go, maybe try xxxterm
[19:19] <AMIGAS> what about chrome, is it available?
[19:19] <bioterror> AMIGAS, no difference between chrome and chromium
[19:19] <bioterror> except chrome comes with flashplayer bundled
[19:20] <bioterror> and it spies what you do
[19:20] <TheCheggs> chrome = bad
[19:20] <AMIGAS> :D bad= for what?
[19:21] <TheCheggs> chrome just likes to track your movements on the internet
[19:23] <AMIGAS> wow, it's my favorite browser on my windsow 7, it and firefox :D
[19:24] <bioterror> TheCheggs, also facebook follows where you go :D
[19:24] <bioterror> and what you do
[19:24] <AMIGAS> what's the differents between Xterm and UXterm?
[19:24] <TheCheggs> sure does
[19:24] <bioterror> AMIGAS, probably U stands for Unicode
[19:24] <wxl> AMIGAS: unicode
[19:24] <wxl> unicode is a good thing
[19:24] <bioterror> just like rxvt-unicode has a binary called urxvt
[19:25] <wxl> especially if you use a non-english language
[19:25] <AMIGAS> oh
[19:27] <AMIGAS> facebook follows where you go?
[19:27] <bioterror> yes
[19:27] <wxl> who doesn't?
[19:27] <wxl> google does
[19:27] <bioterror> if you have logged in, you have cookies
[19:27] <bioterror> and they sees
[19:27] <wxl> america does :D
[19:27] <bioterror> you can see from news pages or somewhere else that "this and this many friends of yours likes this"
[19:27] <wxl> the illuminati do XD
[19:28] <bioterror> that's why you can install extensions like "fb disconnect" ;)
[19:28] <bioterror> and google analytics blocker
[19:28] <TheCheggs> HA TAKE THAT GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK!
[19:28] <bioterror> Ghostery tells too stuff
[19:30] <AMIGAS> oh
[19:33] <wxl> you should only use wget for grabbing web pages
[19:33] <wxl> just kidding :D
[19:33] <TheCheggs> brb lads
[19:47] <TheCheggs> man i love lxde
[19:47] <TheCheggs> and i love lubuntu
[19:51] <phillw> TheCheggs: glad you like it.
[19:52] <TheCheggs> :)
[20:12] <doogiekd1> dear friends, this multimedia keyboard problem is driving me crazy! any suggestions? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1952795
[20:15] <morri> quick, how do i access desktop background changing menu by terminal?
[20:15] <phillw> doogiekd1: would be so kind as to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Bugs and raise a bug. That section does say why :)
[20:15] <wxl> phillw: are you sure this is a bug?
[20:17] <phillw> wxl: it can be changed to Wish List, but should be logged.
[20:17] <wxl> i mean did we already trouble shoot this?
[20:19] <phillw> wxl: there seems enough info on there for it to be progressed, if you think ML is better place at present it can be cc'd there, but there is only one one central place to issue requests / bugs.
[20:19] <Unit193> morri: pcmanfm --desktop-pref
[20:20] <wxl> phillw: what i'm saying is, this is a known problem?
[20:20] <morri> thanks
[20:21] <phillw> wxl: I do not recall a bug on it. but my memory of the multiude of bug reports that arrive each day is not perfect.
[20:22] <wxl> doogiekd1: have you confirmed that all of those <commands> work?
[20:22] <doogiekd1> checking now
[20:24] <doogiekd1> sorry - i forgot i checked this earlier: entering "amixer -q sset Master 3%+" in terminal gets "Unable to find simple control 'Master',0"
[20:25] <wxl> there you go-- so you need that command corrected
[20:27] <doogiekd1> i tried changing the command using amixer -c 0 set Master 3%+, changing 0 to 1,2,3 as suggested on other websites but nothing works.
[20:27] <wxl> i believe you want `Master playback 3%+`
[20:29] <doogiekd1> okay, wxl (excited typing now) i'm going to change it to that.
[20:32] <doogiekd1> changed command in lxde-rc.xml to "amixer -q sset Master playback 3%+" and entered "openbox --restart" in terminal. did not solve issue.
[20:33] <doogiekd1> or should i have left out "amixer -q sset" ?
[20:33] <wxl> doogiekd1: again, keep trying the command in terminal to be sure that it's right before changing your config
[20:35] <doogiekd1> duh! i should know that. entering "amixer -q sset Master playback 3%+" in terminal results in "Unable to find simple control 'Master',0"
[20:38] <wxl> try `amixer -c 1 sset Master playback 3%+`
[20:40] <doogiekd1> bingo? entering "amixer -c 1 sset Master playback 3%+" in terminal results in: "Simple mixer control 'Master',0   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum   Playback channels: Mono   Limits: Playback 0 - 64   Mono: Playback 45 [70%] [-19.00dB] [on]
[20:40] <wxl> good now edit your config and try again
[20:46] <doogiekd1> wxl: bingo! you are a genius! thank you so much! this has taken me three days 2 figure out!
[20:50] <wxl> see phillw ??? not a bug!
[20:50] <wxl> no prob doogiekd1
[20:50] <wxl> btw i'd recommend popping in here with your lxde issues. #lxde is a ghost town
[20:50] <wxl> for that matter lubuntu = lxde so…
[20:50] <wxl> anywho brb
[20:50] <Unit193> Isn't it more on the other network?
[20:51] <Unit193> lubuntu != lxde, it uses LXDE.
[20:51] <doogiekd1> okay. wondering if this change pertains to me only or is this something lxde-rc.xml should default to?
[20:51] <phillw> wxl: make it a section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides
[20:51] <subi> loving lubuntu on my nw netbook
[20:52] <subi> had win 7
[20:52] <phillw> wxl: That way, it is there for everyone :)
[20:52] <subi> then ubuntu - too heavy
[20:53] <subi> now lubuntu - class
[20:53] <iceroot> after i translated lxkeymap into german with lp are any further steps needed so that it will hit lubuntu?
[20:53] <doogiekd1> thanx, my people.
[20:54] <iceroot> the changes are in https://translations.launchpad.net/lxkeymap/trunk
[20:56] <iceroot> Translations are imported with every update from branch lp:lxkeymap.
[20:56] <iceroot> sometimes its better to do some reading instead of spaming the channel :)
[21:12] <phillw> iceroot: dropping an email to Julien is not against the rules :) Yes, he is busy, but things to improve lubuntu are welcomed.
[22:01] <sparkz_> Hi ! I have a sound problem on my new eeepc 1215B, my sound output is automaticaly set to HDMI, how could i change it to speakers ?
[22:37] <ryah> Hi. I am trying to use lubuntu with a different window manager (i3). What should I launch when i3 starts so that I have all the normal services. So far I'm only doing xfce-power-manager and nm-applet
[22:38] <ryah> I see there is a lxsession command...