[00:02] <MechanisM> Hello I'm still having problems with grub-pc update. because of it new linux-kernel not installed and other packages too. always errors from apt coz of dependencies.
[00:02] <demonboy> whats an
[00:02] <demonboy> RPM installer
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> demonboy: its what redhat, mandriva and suse etc, use
[00:03] <demonboy> oh ok
[00:06] <demonboy> jre is gonna take an hour to DL
[00:06] <MechanisM> guys please help I can't turn of my pc for a week or so just because of some problems with grub upgrade. I'm afraid I can't trurn on pc coz of grub issues
[00:06] <demonboy> does ur pc turn on?
[00:07] <demonboy> is it tht u cant boot up or cant turn on?
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> MechanisM: www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video/
[00:07] <MechanisM> I'm just don't want to try if I can't. I want to successfully upgrade and then reboot
[00:08] <MechanisM> I don't asking tips for grub recovery I wanna solve dependencies for grub and upgrade it
[00:08] <penguin42> MechanisM: This is a beta release - there will be problems that may be hard to recover from; if you can't handle that then wait for the release
[00:09] <MechanisM> but I'm just wonder why other ppl don't reported it yet
[00:09] <MechanisM> grub-pc requires older version of grub-pc-bin than I'm already have installed
[00:09] <penguin42> MechanisM: There was a grub problem a few days/week ago that I know people did hit, and then got fixed, so I guess it might have been doing an update at just the wrong time
[00:10] <penguin42> MechanisM: Or, you might have hit a problem others didn't
[00:10] <MechanisM> yep might be I'm upgraded at wrong time
[00:10] <MechanisM> so how to fix it?
[00:11] <MechanisM> I see upgrades for grub-pc but this new grub-pc requires older grub-pc-bin than I'm already have installed
[00:12] <MechanisM> because of this grub-pc issue I can't upgrade other packages etc
[00:15] <Zoffix> MechanisM, what errors? Have you tried reinstalling that grub-pic?
[00:15] <Zoffix> *pc
[00:15] <demonboy> 64 kills 52 head shots wooo
[00:15] <demonboy> oops wrong chat
[00:15] <MechanisM> yep I'm tried to reinstall grub-pc
[00:16] <Zoffix> MechanisM, if I were you, I'd prepare a live CD, so that if it doesn't boot as you expect, at least you'd have a backup plan.
[00:16] <MechanisM> errors is dependencies problems(grub-pc requires older version of grub-pc-bin than one already installed)
[00:16] <jinjorge> anyone using gnome desktop as opposed to Unity?
[00:16] <Zoffix> MechanisM, so what are the errors apt gives you?
[00:17] <jinjorge> looks like there is an issue adding a printer via System Settings
[00:18] <MechanisM> Can anyone connect to me via TeamViewer and look at the problem?
[00:18] <Zoffix> Why does that sound like a bad idea :}
[00:19] <MechanisM> for me bad idea was in grub-pc adding as dependency old version of grub-pc-bin
[00:20] <jinjorge> brb
[00:23] <Zoffix> Man, why oh why did I update >_+  LibreOffice doesn't want to open my .xls Ecel files. synergy stopped working properly. Lost some work on my last flyer I was making in VirtualBox, and seemingly lost all of my InDesign prefs (don't even know wtf happened).
[00:23]  * Zoffix cries
[00:24] <demonboy> to install the jre 7 i use dpkg right
[00:24] <demonboy> or is tht only for .deb pakages
[00:25] <epod> demonboy, jsut sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[00:26] <demonboy> i installed the jdk
[00:26] <demonboy> i was told to download jre 7 as well
[00:26] <demonboy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916764/
[00:26] <demonboy> look at tht ^
[00:26] <marcoceppi> I've got an issue with a 12.04 machine on my network. It can see the rest of the network and get to the internet, but no other machine on the network can get to it
[00:28] <ivan> get to it how?
[00:29] <marcoceppi> ivan: ssh, or any of the cherrypy servers running on it
[00:29] <marcoceppi> This happens with all 12.04 machines on my network, but 12.04 -> 11.10 and 11.10 -> 11.10 is fine
[00:30] <marcoceppi> I've tried setting static IPs, restarting networking, and restarting the boxes
[00:30] <marcoceppi> All machine are using Wifi
[00:30] <marcoceppi> ufw has been turned off on each
[00:32] <marcoceppi> Not quite sure where to go from here, I'm willing to provide any logs if necessary
[00:48] <MechanisM> now I even can't uninstall grub-pc and replace it with grub
[00:51] <mongo_> MechanisM: are you running ipv6?
[00:51] <mongo_> err sorry marcoceppi
[00:51] <marcoceppi> mongo_: No, it's only IPv4
[00:52] <mongo_> marcoceppi: add "AddressFamily inet
[00:52] <mongo_> to /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[00:52] <mongo_> no "
[00:52] <mongo_> just "AddressFamily inet"
[00:54] <mongo_> also look at netstat -tnl and see if it is listening to 22 on the ipv4
[00:54] <marcoceppi> mongo_: Nope, and that wouldnt' explain why no ports are accessible
[00:55] <mongo_> marcoceppi: iptables -L is blank?
[00:55] <marcoceppi> mongo_: 8080, 8081, 22, 5000 are all being listened to
[00:55] <marcoceppi> mongo_: It was before I explicitly added ACCEPT for port 22
[00:55] <mongo_> marcoceppi: on :::22 or on 0.0.0.0:22
[00:56] <marcoceppi> it's 0.0.0.0:22 -> 0.0.0.0:*
[00:56] <demonboy> ok im back i got the jre 7 tar ball
[00:56] <demonboy> what do i do w/ it
[00:58] <alket> I had no luck booting from USB , is there I way I can make a clean install without cd or usb ?
[00:58] <mongo_> marcoceppi: what does ufw status say?
[00:59] <marcoceppi> mongo_: it's off
[00:59] <marcoceppi> But I don't trust it
[00:59]  * marcoceppi considers uninstalling
[00:59] <mongo_> marcoceppi: oh so you use iptables to add 22? to which ruleset?
[00:59] <marcoceppi> INPUT ACCEPT
[01:00] <marcoceppi> however, I just did that about 15 mins ago
[01:00] <mongo_> marcoceppi: better to use "ufw default allow" than try and fight with it
[01:00] <marcoceppi> mongo_: good tip, thanks
[01:00] <marcoceppi> let me reboot this machine
[01:01] <mongo_> marcoceppi: you may want to add net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf as ipv6 can cause issues like this
[01:02] <mongo_> if ifconfig -a still shows ipv6 addresses
[01:02] <marcoceppi> mongo_: thanks, I'll check that in one second
[01:02] <mongo_> unfortunatly I have to diable network manager so I can't help try and debug that
[01:03] <marcoceppi> mongo_: should I restart or just restart networking after disabling ipv6?
[01:04] <demonboy> how do intall tarball...
[01:04] <mongo_> marcoceppi: if you add that and run sysctl -p it will be gone
[01:05] <mongo_> run ifconfig and make sure you don't have ipv6 addresses
[01:07] <mongo_> demonboy: why not install it with apt-get install java7-jre
[01:07] <demonboy> cause tht means i gotta wait more lol
[01:07] <demonboy> i have the install downloaded
[01:07] <marcoceppi> mongo_: Okay, ipv6 is gone iptables is empty no good. I'm going to restart for good measure
[01:08] <mongo_> demonboy: not using packages will make it hard in the future
[01:09] <demonboy> -_-
[01:09] <demonboy> ok
[01:09] <marcoceppi> mongo_: no go
[01:11] <mongo_> marcoceppi: can you try it wired?
[01:11] <marcoceppi> yeah,let me find  cable that will reach. This particular box is mounted to the back of my tv
[01:12] <mongo_> demonboy: err sorry java7-runtime
[01:13] <demonboy>  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:13] <mongo_> put sudo in front
[01:13] <demonboy> my upgrade process is doin libreoffice so idk y its sayin tht
[01:16] <marcoceppi> mongo_: wtf! Wired works
[01:16] <marcoceppi> wifi doesn't on both macihnes
[01:16] <demonboy> mongo: what does purge do?
[01:18] <marcoceppi> mongo_: any idea regarding that?
[01:20] <marcoceppi> demonboy: purge uninstalls and removes the cached deb
[01:33] <marcoceppi> mongo_: fixed it. I went in to Edit Connections, change IPv6 from Automatic to Ignore
[01:40] <OffGridOps> 12.04 upgrade from 11.10:  So, been having REAL trouble trying to get Unity (the left had side menu).  I have Gnome and it is the only way I can navigate right now.  Is this normal?  Thanx
[01:46] <Daekdroom> OffGridOps, try using 'unity --reset'
[01:46] <Daekdroom> I think Unity 5.8 broke compatibility with previous compiz profiles.
[01:47] <Daekdroom> 'There are some upgrade known issues for system installed before precise. On first boot, you will loose your compiz settings and can end up in a session with just the wallpaper, no interface. In that case, just logout/login again (rebooting eventually) and the next login will be fine. ' In the Beta2 Release Notes
[01:49] <OffGridOps> I have it locked up and then then had to ctrl c: nothing seems to work.
[01:49] <OffGridOps> when i log in i select the gnome, but regardless NO setting brings it up.  my cairo dock doesnt work anymore either and i cant select it so maybe its a bad installl?
[01:50] <Daekdroom> What is not working and what are you using right now?
[01:50] <OffGridOps> one sec and ill type the list
[01:53] <OffGridOps> everything works except cairo dock (although installed) and unity itself
[01:54] <OffGridOps> i can access everything through gnome as well
[01:54] <OffGridOps> except activating cairo
[01:56] <OffGridOps> As to the beta release notes logging in and out soft/hard boot does nothing.  i have sudo apt get upgrade update etc
[01:57] <Daekdroom> Did you try running the command 'unity --reset'?
[02:07] <OffGridOps> Sorry got cut off.
[02:07] <OffGridOps> Other things that happen are when I close the lid and try to resurrect the system it is a blank black screen with the cursor only
[02:08] <OffGridOps> my launchpad acct is the same as my id here and the upgrade triggered half a dozen bugs
[02:09] <OffGridOps> the only thing i really have issue with is no unity ;)  not that i really like it but if it's not there it seems to me that something is broke somewhere (maybe wrong thinking)
[02:12] <preludelinux> hello
[02:13] <Zoffix_> hi
[02:13] <preludelinux> im having a couple of problems with 12.04
[02:14] <Zoffix> Join the club.
[02:14] <preludelinux> lol
[02:15] <OffGridOps> ;)
[02:15] <preludelinux> i take it everyone i having problems then
[02:15] <Zoffix> Well, it *is* still a beta :)
[02:15] <OffGridOps> preludelinux, probably easiest to just start asking as thats what i do and get LOTS of help!
[02:16] <OffGridOps> great crew in here
[02:16] <preludelinux> beta in linux is still better then most software
[02:16] <preludelinux> well i had problems with install and the open source nvidia driver with an nvidia 550GTX
[02:17] <preludelinux> you get a blank screen and hard lock
[02:18]  * Zoffix has no idea how to fix that... *goes to watch TV*
[02:18] <preludelinux> my latest problem is no display manager loading during boot
[02:18] <preludelinux> boot with nomodeset and blacklist the novoue driver
[02:20] <preludelinux> i have made it past install and installed the nvidia drivers at this point ... only get a display manager if you manually start the service
[02:21] <OffGridOps> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11815508  does this fit your issue?
[02:24] <preludelinux> that fits the issue i had , i applied that during install and edited the correct files to make grub boot with nomodeset and set video mode too text mode .. and got the system booting ... but only to a command prompt no gui
[02:24] <preludelinux> you can manually do sudo service lightdm start and get in the gui
[02:25] <stuntman_dan> so... you guys probably get this a lot but... is there anyone that could point me to a tutorial that undoes what compiz settings changes I've made? Basically I installed gnome as I really don't like unity, and as I used compiz back in 7.10 I installed it. I clicked on 'use compatibility for gnome' and then my titlebars disappeared
[02:25] <stuntman_dan> sooo silly me I used a command I remembered from a couple years ago 'metacity --replace'
[02:26] <preludelinux> nvidia driver installed and working .... adding any of the display managers leads still to a text with manually needing to launch the display login managers ...
[02:26] <stuntman_dan> aaand it hasn't really fixed anything... all I really want now is to get rid of compiz and have gnome back the way it is supposed to be but I'm not sure where to begin. anyone have any experience dealing with this?
[02:32] <OffGridOps> stuntman_dan, i may be wrong here but i remember its something --reset  maybe unity --reset or something maybe google it or wait for a coder to answer as i am not one and waiting on an issue of my own
[02:33] <stuntman_dan> offgridops would that work in gnome?
[02:34] <stuntman_dan> or would that just be for unity
[02:35] <OffGridOps> i really dont know
[02:36] <OffGridOps> i can't get unity to load so i have no clue
[02:37] <preludelinux> thats not bad ( not getting unity to load )
[02:40] <OffGridOps> yeah it might not for some but it worries me as this is a basic function type program and it makes me wonder what else is broke
[02:40] <OffGridOps> verything in gnome works
[02:40] <OffGridOps> *every
[02:40] <OffGridOps> i have googled everything and NOTHING comes up w/an issue like no unity
[02:42] <demonboy> typing that #sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer returns this ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916897/
[02:43] <demonboy> please help
[02:44] <stuntman_dan> hey guys, anyone know how to launcher icons that I've placed on the bottom bar of gnome? if I right click it the only options I get are launch or properties, and if I drag it somewhere it just makes a copy
[02:44] <stuntman_dan> sorry, should have said how to remove** launcher icons
[02:51] <MechanisM> hello again. where I can get paid support?
[02:52] <demonboy> lol y mechanism
[02:54] <MechanisM> what? I'm bored with this upgrade and dependencies problems and noone can't help. My pc running for weeks for now and noone cares
[02:54] <preludelinux> oh whats going on ?
[02:55] <MechanisM> I can't upgrade my system coz grub-pc requires grub-pc-bin with version older than I'm already have
[02:55] <stuntman_dan> mechanism support might be slow now but come the end of the month when 12.04 support moves over to the main #ubuntu channel I think you'll have a little more luck!
[02:56] <preludelinux> hopefully with not all the bugs
[02:56] <MechanisM> after I'm saying 12.04 everyone says ubuntu+1 so noone is wants to deal with 12.04 in #ubuntu
[02:57] <demonboy> typing that #sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer returns this ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916897/
[02:58] <preludelinux> hmm is that because the installer is not a .deb
[02:59] <preludelinux> you could always try to manual install it
[02:59] <MechanisM> how can installer be not deb if it's via apt?
[02:59] <MechanisM> demonboy I have special ppa for sun-java packages
[03:00] <MechanisM> if I'm not wrong package name is sun-java* not oracle-java
[03:01] <preludelinux> oracle bought out sun recently
[03:01] <stuntman_dan> just on a sidenote.. I've been doing some reading and wonder what ppa actually stands for...?
[03:01] <MechanisM> but package name not changed yet
[03:02] <Logan_> !ppa | stuntman_dan
[03:02] <MechanisM> at least for me
[03:02] <stuntman_dan> ah I see
[03:02] <demonboy> i need oracle mechanism
[03:02] <demonboy> not sun
[03:02] <preludelinux> manually install ?
[03:03] <demonboy> how... i have the tar ball
[03:03] <stuntman_dan> I was reading about getting my switchable ati graphics to work and a lot of the people using 11.xx had to try ppas but it seems to work pretty well in 12.04 aside from a few things I have yet to figure out
[03:03] <demonboy> but no one wants to tell me how they all say do it via tht command
[03:04] <mongo_> demonboy: the free version of java doesn't work for you?
[03:06] <mongo_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/56104/how-can-i-install-oracle-java-jre-7
[03:06] <mongo_> there is how you can install it but I would recomend not doing so if you can use the free version
[03:06] <MechanisM> now I'm getting debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process I'm opened location and don't see any lock files
[03:08] <demonboy> mongo arent u the one tht said to install it via terminal not the tarball?
[03:17] <stuntman_dan> anyone able to explain to me how to delete launcher icons in gnome
[03:18] <stuntman_dan> if I try to drag it into the trash it just says that it can't be moved to the trash, but I can delete it. but when I try to delete it it says no such file or directory
[03:21] <stuntman_dan> I guess it's saying that because there's nothing in the .config/gnome-panel/launchers directory
[03:21] <stuntman_dan> but why would that be?
[03:59] <glosoli> anyone using Gnome Shell with ATI here
[03:59] <glosoli> ?
[04:00] <hylian> no sorry.
[04:00] <hylian> after i installed gnustep, i have no option for logging into it in the login menu.
[04:02] <hylian> glosoli, i do use gnome 3 in "old mode"
[04:02] <glosoli> ah
[04:02] <glosoli> :/
[04:02] <hylian> so what's going on?
[04:03] <hylian> has anyone here ever used gnustep?
[04:04] <glosoli> I don't
[04:04] <Riviera> hylian: why do you ask?
[04:04] <hylian> glosoli, well, thanks for the answer. myabe I can help you?
[04:05] <hylian> Riviera, well, i have 12.04 beta installed, and i was thumbing though desktop enivornments and windows managers, and saw gnu step, and thoght I would try it out. after successfully installing though, it does not show up in the login manager screen.
[04:06] <glosoli> hylian, don't think so, some problems with Gnome Shell and ati driver for having very high cpu, brb, need to reboot trying some configs...
[04:07] <Riviera> hylian: ah, in that case I cannot be much of help.  I only used GNUstep briefly to compile Emacs with "nextstep bindings," to see how it looks like, but did not really use GNUstep outside of that experiment :)
[04:08] <hylian> Riviera, am i wrong in believing it is a desktop environment? it sure looks like one...
[04:08] <Riviera> hylian: according to the GNUstep guys it appears you are, yes:  http://www.gnustep.org/information/aboutGNUstep.html
[04:09] <Riviera> hylian: ("GNUstep is not...")
[04:09] <hylian> Riviera, i think i get it. i am tired. i thought it said desktop, not developemtn... my fault
[04:10] <Riviera> ah :)
[04:10] <Riviera> hylian: IITC there was a GNUstep live CD somewhere, have never tried it, no idea what it "did."
[04:10] <hylian> Riviera, thanks for the help!
[04:11] <Riviera> hylian: http://debian.uni-duisburg-essen.de/misc/GNUstep/LiveCD/
[04:11] <glosoli> nah still the same :( 20-40 percent of cpu usage when doing nothing
[04:12] <hylian> I am going to remove gnustep, and then pass out.
[04:13] <Riviera> :)
[04:14] <glosoli> Hmm
[04:14] <glosoli> any of you guys ever used Gnome Shell ?
[04:20] <preludelinux> yes
[04:21] <glosoli> do you experienced lately gnome shell using a lot of cpu ?
[04:22] <EvanCarroll> where is the launchpad page for kernel bugs for 12.04, for the live of me launchpad UI has gotten so bad I can't find it.
[04:22] <preludelinux> gnome shell usually runs 1,000 times better then unity
[04:23] <glosoli> preludelinux, yep, but dunno why, maybe it's the updates or something it using FGLRX drives, causes me very high CPU usage
[04:23] <preludelinux> ati card ?
[04:24] <glosoli> yes
[04:24] <glosoli> it was fine before
[04:24] <glosoli> afaik
[04:24] <preludelinux> open drivers or closed drivers ?
[04:24] <glosoli> proprietary
[04:24] <glosoli> :)
[04:25] <preludelinux> maybe the driver got updated ?
[04:25] <glosoli> might be
[04:25] <preludelinux> ati cards tend to give problems with any of the eye candy from time to time
[04:26] <glosoli> doooh.. anyway maybe
[04:26] <glosoli> updates will fix it
[04:26] <glosoli> or something
[04:26] <glosoli> I don't want go back to Unity
[04:27] <preludelinux> no one wants it .....
[04:28] <glosoli> it's fine, just compiz is not  that good,
[04:28] <preludelinux> im about to have all my user base complain cry and go back to windows
[04:28] <glosoli> tried going back to linux yesterday
[04:28] <glosoli> didin't last more than 6 hours
[04:28] <glosoli> after going back to Ubuntu
[04:29] <glosoli> gtg bye :)
[04:30] <EvanCarroll> I rmemeber when lauchpad was a little intuitive system that was easy to use.
[04:31] <EvanCarroll> now it's worse than fucking bugzilla.
[04:35] <preludelinux> sounds about right
[04:43] <pepee> hi. rt73usb driver won't work well with power management enabled, and IIRC it breaks the pm script. so, how do I disable the power management when I connect the device?
[05:23] <pepee> the touchpad cursos jumps :/
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> !info kazam
[06:10] <vooze> Did gnome 3.4 end up comming in 12.04?
[06:19] <demonboy> will someome help me i been playin around with the terminal and jre tar ball i think i got it installed but how do i make my browser see it?
[06:20] <demonboy> # jave -version ----> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_03-b04)
[06:21] <demonboy> im not sure if thts it but i did have the jre-7u3
[06:21] <demonboy> install tar.gz file
[06:28] <BigWhale> !info kazam
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> cool isnt it
[06:29] <BigWhale> 824kB! zomg!
[06:29] <BigWhale> :))
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:44] <ubuntu64bit> ubuntu 12.04 seems a little more refined the videos and pictures only thing i can see wrong with 12.04 is mouse pointer fades in and out during video play
[06:47] <jaypro> when does ubuntu server come out of beta?
[06:47] <osirisx11> hi.. i am using gnome classic and i cannot do alt-tab anymore after upgrading to +1
[06:49] <ubuntu64bit> i'm using gnome unity and my alt-tab works fine
[06:50] <Ian_Corne> !release
[06:50] <osirisx11> maybe it is because i have a bluetooth keyboard
[06:51] <ubuntu64bit> anyone else having problems with the mouse pointer fading in and out watching a video or tv
[06:51] <Ian_Corne> jaypro: ^^
[06:52] <osirisx11> my tab key works, and my alt key works, but alt-tab does not
[06:53] <ubuntu64bit> idk osirisx11 maybe someone left it out for gnome classic gnome unity it works fine for me
[06:54] <osirisx11> no thank you, i don't care for unity
[06:55] <ubuntu64bit> can't say i blame ya osirisx11 but i like it for some reason
[06:56] <ubuntu64bit> unity is designed for touch screen right?
[06:57] <osirisx11> interestingly inside the keyboard settings / shortcuts  tab, alt-tab is listed for switch applications, and i re-set it to alt-tab with no problems, so the OS sees it fine
[06:57] <osirisx11> it just is ignoring the request
[06:58] <osirisx11> ctrl+super+d hides all windows as intended
[07:02] <ubuntu64bit> they seem to be asleep hopefully someone is watching our posts to correct issues
[07:32] <osirisx11> sometimes i get a windows that doesn't go away and is all gray, small rectangle on top left of my screen
[07:55] <georgelappies> hi all, just updated my kubuntu precise, now after I enter my credentials at the login screen and press enter I go to a black screen
[07:58] <phani2> georgelappies :   what happens if you login via console ?
[08:00] <georgelappies> phani2: i can login then, I pressed 'ctrl + alt + f1' and login
[08:00] <georgelappies> then I 'sudo service kdm restart'
[08:01] <georgelappies> it restarts fine no problems, but as soon as I enter my details and press enter to login into KDE it looks like it wants to starts loading but then only shows black screen
[08:02] <phani2> if you can login via console , can you get me the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log file or .xsession-errors ?
[08:02] <georgelappies> so system it self is running, problem is with KDE login somewhere. I used 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old'
[08:03] <georgelappies> sure, X starts fine though
[08:04] <georgelappies> will get it to you, just need to reboot as it is on this same laptop and I am in win7 atm :(
[08:04] <georgelappies> unless you can point me to ext4 drivers for win7 64bit:)
[08:06] <snadge> how do you install ubuntu onto an imac?
[08:06] <snadge> the official instructions dont appear to work ;)
[08:06] <snadge> trying to get it to load off usb
[08:15] <snadge> tried from os x.. it said.. the device is unaccessible
[08:15] <snadge> tried usb creator under linux, the mac can access it.. but wont see it when it when i hold alt during boot
[08:15] <snadge> now im trying lili from windows :/
[08:19] <snadge> so the 64bit install should work on macs?
[08:20] <georgelappies> phani2: here you go with .xsession-errors   http://pastebin.com/VV44XCks
[08:22] <georgelappies> phani2: here is the Xorg.0.log        http://pastebin.com/1A7Mxtfp
[08:23] <georgelappies> phani2: all was working 100% until I did the updates just now...
[08:24] <georgelappies> last updated last night, about 10 hours back before this update
[08:24] <phani2> ok i am looking into the log
[08:25] <glosoli> When I installed Gnome Shell my max min close buttons went to right in any windows,
[08:25] <glosoli> how to restore them to left ?
[08:43] <snadge> LOL
[08:43] <snadge> turns out its a core duo mac.. not a core 2 duo mac.. meaning its 32bit :/
[08:43] <snadge> finally got it to boot the usb stick by using reFit
[08:43] <snadge> then says.. your cpu cant run x86_64.. fail :p
[08:50] <gain_> hi
[08:50] <gain_> any way to manage unity fonts?
[09:29] <napsy> Hello. I have troubles installing ttf-mscorefonts-installer ... it hangs when trying to download the fonts. No URL works just hangs in 'HTTP request sent, waiting for response..." Any ideas?
[09:35] <georgelappies>  does rsync work for the daily images as well?
[09:36] <georgelappies> is there a way to uninstall the last installed updates?
[09:38] <siretart> georgelappies: there is a very painful way that involves calling dpkg on earlier versions by hand
[09:38] <RedBunny> can someone tell me why i keep looking my title bar on my programs like folder and ftp ,... they keep disapearing and i cant move them,....?
[09:39] <georgelappies> siretart: damn cause after the update this morning I cannot boot into KDE anymore on kubuntu with precise :(
[09:40] <georgelappies> and i just downloaded the ubuntu-alternate daily ISO but checking the disk gives errors and I am windows 7 with limited bandwith
[09:40] <georgelappies> so I cannot download it again
[09:41] <georgelappies> i installed cwrsync in windows but it gives me this error when trying to rsync
[09:42] <georgelappies> ssh could not resolve hostname :(
[09:44] <glosoli> why system language is in English(UK) and I can't change it to US ?
[09:44] <RedBunny> you can change it in system steetings
[09:44] <glosoli> seems like I can't
[09:45] <RedBunny> i thinkwith gnome tweak
[09:45] <glosoli> pure gnome tweak depends on Gnome Shell.
[09:47] <RedBunny> and its not in the system language settings
[09:47] <RedBunny> ?
[09:47] <glosoli> well in language settings there is ENGLISH in list which I can't choose
[09:48] <glosoli> might be a bug
[09:51] <RedBunny> yeah czuse thats where i chose it i think
[09:52] <Myrtti> glosoli: it's a drag list
[09:52] <Myrtti> not an option list
[09:52] <Myrtti> glosoli: drag the languages in the order you prefer
[09:53] <glosoli> ouh
[09:53] <glosoli> I feel so stupid now
[09:53] <glosoli> :)
[09:53] <Myrtti> don't worry, took me ten minutes to read the small print too
[09:53] <glosoli> thanks anyway, I remember it being option list before ?
[09:56] <RedBunny> can someone tell me why i keep loosing my title bar on my programs like folder and ftp ,... they keep disapearing and i cant move them,....?
[09:58] <georgelappies> why is this rsync not working??? C:\ubunut_rsync>rsync -v "rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20120405/precise-alternate-amd64.iso" precise-alternate-amd64.iso
[09:59] <georgelappies> it gives error: @ERROR: Unknown module 'daily'
[09:59] <georgelappies> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1503) [receiver=3.0.6]
[10:08] <vhdirk> hi all
[10:09] <vhdirk> it seems APPMENU_DISPLAY_BOTH=1 does not work anymore in precise. I really liked that...
[10:13] <scientes> vhdirk, what does it do?
[10:14] <scientes> georgelappies, @ERROR: Unknown module 'daily'
[10:14] <scientes> georgelappies, that means your syntax for entering the url isn't right
[10:14] <scientes> cause that word is out of the url
[10:15] <vhdirk> sciences: it just ignores it and puts the menubar in the panel
[10:18] <vhdirk> the thing is: I don't really want the globalmenu. I'd much rather have each application having its own titlebar and menu. Displaying the appmenu twice was a something I used since I cannot get rid of the applications min/max/close button in the panel
[10:19] <vhdirk> even better would be that I can discard this global menu/applets thing altogether, but that seems even less possible
[10:29] <RedBunny> how do i close a program withought a tittle bar ,...?
[10:29] <RedBunny> or move them
[10:30] <taxman01> apititude?
[10:31] <taxman01> or apt-get?
[10:32] <glosoli> In CompizConfig-Settings-Manager there is OpenGL plugin and option for: Texture Filter
[10:32] <glosoli> which would make the system work faster  ?
[10:32] <glosoli> Texture Filer: Fast, Good or Best ?
[10:38] <Xinul> RedBunny: For moving, try ALT + drag
[10:38] <Xinul> For closing, try xkill and click
[10:50] <FreeRun> hi
[10:50] <FreeRun> how to disable "F10" shortcut?
[10:50] <FreeRun> compiz + unity
[10:51] <vhdirk> FreeRun: what does f10 do? Doesn't seem to do anything
[10:52] <FreeRun> in my config working as right click of mouse
[10:53] <FreeRun> i have to disable in gconf any variant of F10 shortcut but nothing happens
[10:54] <vhdirk> FreeRun: maybe this helps? http://askubuntu.com/questions/37313/how-do-i-deactivate-f1-and-f10-keybindings
[11:01] <spacebug-> oh I found this help now for F10 / mc in gnome-terminal. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1017546#p1017546   works great ;)
[11:13] <FreeRun> first solution don't work... and i'm checking second
[11:13] <OffGridOps> 12.04 upgrade from 11.10:  Been having weird stuff go one.  Posted a bunch in here and launchpad (same name).  Hoping someone familiar with Unity (the left vertical menu bar) is in here
[11:15] <OffGridOps> so no unity (i guess that's what its called it starts with the dash search square and goes to the trash), system crashes to black screen if i close my laptop cover and cairo will not run
[11:15] <OffGridOps> i have fired it up in ubuntu, ubuntu 2d, gnome without and gnome with.  the cairo options are just blank white circles
[11:15] <OffGridOps> should i consider a new install?  thanx
[11:20] <spacebug-> FreeRun: see my link that works
[11:20] <spacebug-> FreeRun: you have to close all gnome-terminal windows after!
[11:26] <lapion> strangely enough if I do ps -auxw the console locks up, ctrl-c ctrl-d nothing seems to work
[11:28] <lapion> whether I do it in a vt on xwindows or a vt on alt-f1
[11:31] <FreeRun> re
[11:31] <FreeRun> second solution also do't works
[11:32] <OffGridOps> Is there a more appropriate IRC to ask the questions?  I don't code a lot so I really didn't know.  Thanx!
[11:33] <lapion> top works fine only ps  freezes up
[11:34] <spacebug-> FreeRun: are we talking about the same thing? F10 in gnome-terminal brings up same menu as right mouse button does?
[11:47] <lapion> nvm it was a temporary thingy
[11:49] <georgelappies> aah cool, finaly came right with cygwin and zsync!
[11:49]  * penguin42 yaaawwwwnnnns - was up til 3.30am debootstrapping my dads machine
[11:49] <Dr_willis> ive had such weirdness with cygwin in the past..
[11:59] <spacebug-> hum
[12:13] <georgelappies> the alternate-cd can install from usb right?
[12:17] <sacarlson> will 12.04 have gnome-shell and cinnamon as options or at least access to them in ppa?
[12:17] <penguin42> sacarlson: gnome-shell is there
[12:17] <sacarlson> penguin42: cool good enuf
[12:18] <penguin42> sacarlson: There is a ppa for cinnamon, I don't see one for precise yet, but I suspect it'll arrive, and for added goodness MATE (aka Gnome2ish) is availalbe in a repo for 12.04
[12:19] <sacarlson> penguin42: oh mate I have seen that before never tried it and that's more what I like the gnome2ish thing
[12:19] <penguin42> sacarlson: seems to work
[12:20] <sacarlson> I'm now just awaiting a window when my network is slow to download at least what we have so far in 12.04 to give it a try
[12:21]  * penguin42 installed a 12.04+mate for my dad last night
[12:29]  * nonix4 ponders how to post a bug report about snd-hda-intel needing "pasuspender alsactl init" from time to time to work...
[12:29] <penguin42> nonix4: Run ubuntu-bug audio
[12:29] <penguin42> nonix4: Follow it's instructions and then in the text of the bug explain what you need to do
[12:48] <gain_> hi guys
[12:48] <gain_> anyone uses eclipse, here?
[12:50] <gain_> re
 anyone uses eclipse, here?
[12:52] <penguin42> gain_: Yeh I do
[12:53] <gain_> penguin42: installated from repository? any trouble? it say me that "Application "org.eclipse.ui.ide.workbench" could not be found in the registry." and doesn't start
[12:55] <penguin42> gain_: I was about to tell you it was all peachy - which it was 2 or 3 days ago - but just tried it again and it's giving me Could not load SWT library.
[12:56] <penguin42> gain_: I'd installed it from the Ubuntu package and told it to let it do upgrades; I'm using the Java 6 packages
[12:57] <sacarlson> penguin42: somebody must have been working past there bed time again
[12:58] <penguin42> sacarlson: I don't think this one was me, even if I was up until 3.30am
[12:58] <sacarlson> penguin42: no I ment the ones that must have changed it
[12:58] <penguin42> yeh
[12:59] <gain_> penguin42: openjdk-6-jdk
[12:59] <gain_> ?
[13:00] <penguin42> gain_: No, I'm using Sun java 6
[13:00] <gain_> penguin42: ok, I'll try it
[13:03] <penguin42> gain_: Having fixed those problems with some symlinks, I'll admit it's not happy - I don't know if the problem is whenever eclipse gets updated from the ubuntu packages it confuses the heck out of any updates Eclipse itself bought in
[13:03] <penguin42> gain_: I've been trying some Android dev and it was working a couple of days ago
[13:08] <penguin42> ah, there we go - there was an eclipse ubuntu package update yesterday
[13:17] <spacebug-> strange. Setting default applications from within system settings->details->default applications dowa not work for me anymore
[13:45] <jabba_> hello
[13:45] <jabba_> is it somehow possible to remove the starter from my second monitor?
[13:47] <CyL> Hi, I was pointed here to ask about the release schedule of 12.04. Is there a release date already set up?
[13:47] <jtaylor> see the topic
[13:48] <CyL> jtaylor: Sorry, I had a CTCP notice from Chanserv that I was interpreting as the topic
[13:48] <Daekdroom> jabba_, yes.
[13:48] <scotty^> Can one of the Ubuntu packagers please take a look at bug 933495?  It is filed as a gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg bug but is beginning to look like a gnome-codec-install bug.  It is specific to x86_64 installations.
[13:48] <Daekdroom> Power indicator > Screens...
[13:49] <jabba_> Daekdroom, nice :)
[13:50] <jabba_> really. i think the second starter on a machine with 2 display-setup is just anoying... must be possible to remove ist
[13:50] <jabba_> *it
[13:50] <Aprogas> I have a dualboot with Windows 7 and Ubuntu (actually Kubuntu 12.04 beta 2). With EasyBCD I installed GRUB 2 to some file in C:\NST and added it to the Windows bootloader. My BIOS is picky about the contents of the MBR and I dare not write GRUB to the MBR.
[13:51] <Aprogas> Which grub packages do I need and which can I remove in the Ubuntu installation? During a full upgrade, grub asked to which partition to install, but failed to install to /dev/sda5 (/boot) so I just skipped it (like I did in the original install).
[13:52] <Daekdroom> jabba_, that's a very recent change :P
[13:52] <jabba_> ever had a virtual-box session on the second display with the starter? lame
[13:53] <jtaylor> scotty^: why would gnome-codec-install want to install i386 plugins?
[13:53] <jabba_> i'd love to know the sense of this recent change...
[13:54] <Daekdroom> No, I mean, in early development of 12.04 they had it always have a 2nd Launcher. Then a few weeks ago they gave us the possibility to choose.
[13:54] <scotty^> jtaylor: That's what I was wondering.  Must be an error, right?
[13:54] <jtaylor> scotty^: how can I reproduce the issue?
[13:55] <jtaylor> the i386 is not installable due to a non-multiarched dependency
[13:56] <jtaylor> and its a bit late to change that now
[13:56] <scotty^> jtaylor: On a fresh install of 12.04 64bit, try to play back an .mp4 or .flv file, or something else that needs a codec that is not shipped by default.
[13:56] <jtaylor> at least without a good motivation why its needed
[13:56] <scotty^> huh?
[13:56] <scotty^> not sure I understand you there.
[13:58] <CyL> How is the record on the upgrade process between major LTS releases (server flavour)? Is it usually clean?
[13:58] <jtaylor> just the explaination og the output, what needs to figured out is why wants to get installed in the firstplace
[13:58] <jtaylor> CyL: probably depends on the packageset you have installed
[13:59] <jtaylor> the more you deviate from the default the higher the risk of a failure
[13:59] <gnomefreak> ldm is still default login for gnome?
[14:00] <scotty^> OK, thanks.
[14:00] <ratcheer> In the daily updates, are the new kernel packages being held for everybody, or just me?
[14:01] <scotty^> jtaylor: OK, thanks.
[14:01] <jtaylor> I haven't got a fresh installation handy to see what goes wrong
[14:02] <CyL> jtaylor: Actually I plan to deploy a plone application server on it. That's probably not an issue, since the prefered way of plone deployment is using a self-hosting structure, that doesn't compete with system packages
[14:02] <gnomefreak> ok what is the default login theme. i have neither ldm nor gdm installed
[14:02] <ratcheer> gnomefreak: I belive that is lightdm
[14:02] <ratcheer> *believe
[14:03] <gnomefreak> thanks ratcheer
[14:03] <gnomefreak> it is
[14:06] <jabba_> Daekdroom, it's still possible! i misinterpreted your instructions.
[14:07] <jabba_> it's still in System-Settings->Screens->position of launcher (my native lang is german)
[14:07] <jabba_> ..and i was blind :)
[14:08] <jabba_> thanks.
[14:16] <penguin42> gain_: I seem to have just about got Eclipse working again; I needed to nuke my .eclipse directory
[14:24] <ratcheer> In the daily updates, are the new kernel packages being held for everybody, or just me?
[14:25] <gnomefreak> mine upgraded fine. use dist-upgrade or you can install them
[14:26] <gnomefreak> apot-get install kernelpackages
[14:26] <ratcheer> Thanks, gnomefreak
[14:26] <gnomefreak> np
[14:27] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[14:36] <MCR> Packages of UFO:AI v2.4RC have now been updated and tested working on Precise. Download from http://ufoai.org/wiki/index.php/Download#2.4-dev
[14:46] <spaceneedle> The system monitor uses a high amount of cpu when it is opened.
[14:47] <Daekdroom> I think it's been that way for quite awhile.
[14:52]  * gnomefreak really hates ubuntu software center
[14:56] <topyli> yeah the software center is probably the slowest piece of software i've seen since nokia pc suite for windows
[14:56] <topyli> no offence if someone here wrote it :)
[14:57] <ironhalik> its still much faster then it used to be ;>
[14:57] <topyli> i mostly blame apt-xapian-index though, and that's debian's fault
[14:58] <topyli> of course, i might be completely wrong
[15:01]  * gnomefreak sticks with smart
[15:01] <topyli> gnomefreak: what is smart?
[15:02] <gnomefreak> topyli: smartpm its another packagemanager
[15:02] <topyli> hmm
[15:02] <gnomefreak> light weight and fast :)
[15:02]  * topyli looks
[15:02] <gnomefreak> also handles rpm too
[15:05] <topyli> looks interesting! i've been just using wajig and concentrated on being happy
[15:06] <atpa8a> yeah... i'll use cli instead of software center 99% of the time
[15:07] <gnomefreak> me too but i just reinstalled so i have to get everything back and its easier to use package manager
[15:11] <atpa8a> smartpm looks good
[15:13] <atpa8a> update is slower then cli tho
[15:16] <topyli> smart seems to have a very nice cli. looks a lot like yum
[15:18] <atpa8a> i like yum
[15:18] <atpa8a> smartpm seems to do dist-upgrade tho...
[15:19] <topyli> i find yum slow and generally repulsive, but perhaps that's because i've spent too much time on debian and ubuntu :)
[15:19] <topyli> the only thing i like is that it reports progress (when there finally is some) better than apt
[15:20] <gnomefreak> atpa8a: run smart in cli than it uses gui and cli depending on your needs/wants
[15:20] <gnomefreak> atpa8a: smart will work packages as aptitude does when needed
[15:20] <gnomefreak> yum is extreamly slow
[15:22] <topyli> yum was created for sysadmins paid by the hour
[15:23]  * gnomefreak hasnt found anything appealing with yum in all the years i used fedora/susie/redhat
[15:23] <topyli> (developers: "i'm compiling!" - admins: "i'm doing upgrades!")
[15:24] <atpa8a> susie doesn't use yum
[15:24] <bazhang> zypper/yast
[15:24] <atpa8a> yast is repulsive
[15:24] <gnomefreak> what does it use than. i could have sworn last time i ran it it used yum
[15:24] <gnomefreak> ah that is it
[15:24] <topyli> yast :(
[15:26] <topyli> there was something similar in AIX, but i forget the name
[15:27] <jessie> How the heck do I add a new bug on launchpad? I am not seeing any, 'Create new bug' buttons.
[15:27] <topyli> SMIT
[15:27] <gnomefreak> jessie: `you can use ubuntu-bug packagename
[15:27] <gnomefreak> jessie: example ubuntu-bug firefox
[15:28] <jessie> Okay, thank you very much gnomefreak.
[15:28] <gnomefreak> np
[15:28] <topyli> there's a 'new bug' button too though, but using ubuntu-bug is better because it collects your system info automatically
[15:29] <gnomefreak> button is too easy :)
[15:31] <|Anthony|> does precise have support for HDMI out of the box? i'm using an nvidia gt240
[15:31]  * gnomefreak off to read i hope
[16:20] <Dr_willis> |Anthony|, hdmi video works for my nvidia cards.
[16:21] <leoquant> sudo lsof -i -n -P on 12.04 gives dnsmasq, never seen this before. can this be removed on the ubuntu desktop envr.?
[16:22] <Dr_willis> dnsmasq is a new default thing in 12.04
[16:22] <Dr_willis> !info dnsmasq
[16:23] <Dr_willis> someone was asking about it in here a few days back.
[16:23] <leoquant> ok, def. something new in 12.04. thx Dr_willis
[16:30] <BarkingFish> Afternoon guys, I wonder if someone would be kind enough to help me out. I've upgraded to Precise beta, and for some reason, ndiswrapper doesn't seem to be available in the 3.2.0.22-35 kernel, I have all the headers installed, but without ndiswrapper, I can't get on the net, I've fallen back to 3.0.0-18 to get on. Any ideas?
[16:31] <penguin42> BarkingFish: I see there is a ndiswrapper-dkms package
[16:32] <BarkingFish> penguin42, I don't normally use dkms, ndiswrapper is normally available in the headers without the need for dkms
[16:33] <BarkingFish> there is no module for ndiswrapper, the last one I have is the one from -18, and that's it.
[16:33] <penguin42> BarkingFish: I've not used ndiswrapper for years, so I don't know - any reason you don't use dkms, it normally solves this type of problem?
[16:34] <BarkingFish> yes, there is a reason.  I've never found any need for it, because what I've wanted has always been available
[16:34] <trism> BarkingFish: from the changelog for 3.2.0-17.26: * Drop ndiswrapper, not quite sure why yet
[16:34] <BarkingFish> well that's just dandy.
[16:34] <BarkingFish> That screws me for getting on the internet
[16:35] <penguin42> BarkingFish: Put the dkms in then - it should sort you out
[16:35] <penguin42> BarkingFish: Out of interest, what hardware?
[16:35] <BarkingFish> Siemens Gigaset USB 108 wifi adapter, Atheros AR5523 chipset
[16:37] <BarkingFish> the question of course, trism, is if they don't know why they're dropping it, why drop it? :|
[16:37] <trism> BarkingFish: no sorry, that part at the end was me, I don't know why
[16:37] <penguin42> BarkingFish: Should be able to track it back to the commit which removed it with some effort
[16:37] <trism> BarkingFish: it just says "Drop ndiswrapper"
[16:38] <BarkingFish> so who would I complain to in order to get that put back in the kernel?
[16:39] <penguin42> BarkingFish: I'd say you should find out why it's been removed first, then you need to explain sanely why -dkms doesn't work for you
[16:39] <BarkingFish> until there's native support for the whole atheros chipset, ndiswrapper is a lifesaver.  it shouldn't have been dropped
[16:39] <BarkingFish> ok penguin42 - then who do I need to speak to in order to find that out?
[16:40] <penguin42> BarkingFish: Good question, you could ask (nicely!) on #ubuntu-kernel to see if they can point you to the reason for removal
[16:40] <FernandoMiguel> good afternoon
[16:41] <trism> penguin42: good point, should have checked there first: http://paste.ubuntu.com/917654/
[16:41] <penguin42> BarkingFish/trism: There you go - that's the reasoning
[16:42] <BarkingFish> thank you :)  at least I know why it vanished now.
[16:43] <penguin42> BarkingFish: If you can give them a good reason why -dkms breaks for you then you might be able to get it back; the other thing which might be a valid bug is that if it was an upgrade as opposed to a reinstall, then if you were using ndis it would have made sense for it to have installed the -dkms for you
[16:43] <BarkingFish> dkms didn't break anything for me, penguin42 - the reason i'd never used it was because ndiswrapper and most of the other stuff i used was always there, so i never needed to install it
[16:44] <penguin42> BarkingFish: Fair enough
[16:44] <BarkingFish> i just hope ndiswrapper still configures in the same way, I'd just about got the hang of it :)
[16:45] <BarkingFish> and that now means I can run off the correct kernel, since I'm using the beta it makes sense for me to use the kernel which came with it
[16:50] <bluefrog> the who command shows me only one user logged in while there are two. bug?
[16:53] <|Anthony|> Dr_willis, were you able to install from dvd with only an HDMI connected screen?
[16:53] <|Anthony|> it seems to be an issue for me
[16:54] <penguin42> bluefrog: how are the two users logged in?
[16:54] <penguin42> |Anthony|: Please report the bug - it may be quite video card specific
[16:54] <bluefrog> penguin42, ssh and gui. has to be a bug. does it on an upgrade from 10.10 to 12.04. native 12.04 gives a correct result.
[16:55] <|Anthony|> penguin42, I'm going to switch to a dsub out first. There might be something else going on
[16:55] <penguin42> bluefrog: Which one is the one that's missing?
[16:55] <bluefrog> penguin42, gui user
[16:57] <Sahdar> Hi there, using Ubuntu 12.04 and have some troubles with adope flash player. When i try to start an flash application, he asks me for some more storage at harddrive. But I can't click anything at the menu. :( so I can't click okay and give him more storage.
[16:57] <penguin42> bluefrog: yeh, sounds like a bug
[17:00] <GremlynTab> hello, got an issue while doing my 10.04 to 12.04 upgrade
[17:00] <BarkingFish> Hi again :)
[17:00] <bazhang> GremlynTab, what issue
[17:01] <GremlynTab> first I see an error thrown from udevd about my Android rules file, then I am told that / is either not present or ready
[17:01] <bazhang> GremlynTab, that lts to lts should be once 12.04 is released
[17:01] <GremlynTab> manual recovery option goes to the ro shell just fine
[17:01] <|Anthony|> ok... same issue using a vga connection. Trying to boot the live cd. It goes to the Ubuntu splash screen with the progress bar, finishes that and then the screen gets all distorted. and system is unresponsive.
[17:01] <BarkingFish> Right, the ndiswrapper-dkms module is working, penguin42 - there is one small issue with it which I'd file as a bug if I could find out where - and that is that I have to modprobe -r ndiswrapper, remove the device and modprobe ndiswrapper before the system picks up wlan0 as an interface.
[17:02] <|Anthony|> how do i use no modeset during boot from live cd?
[17:02] <penguin42> BarkingFish: I think I'd file it against ndiswrapper-dkms - just do  ubuntu-bug ndiswrapper-dkms     assuming you have a launchpad.net account
[17:02] <GremlynTab> bazhang, beta 2 page has removed the warning about issues while upgrading, I knew the risks going in, but now I need to find a way out
[17:03] <BarkingFish> yep, I do. OK then, that will get done now :)  And thank you, I was on the point of pulling my hair out.  It was an upgrade, so I'm surprised I didn't get the dkms package, but whatever. It's practically fixed :)
[17:03] <penguin42> BarkingFish: I'd file that as a separate bug
[17:04] <BarkingFish> ok
[17:04] <penguin42> BarkingFish: IMHO when doing an upgrade you shouldn't lose networking, so it should install the -dkms for you
[17:04] <GremlynTab> obviously I can you're up the 12.04 live CD, either try to fix if it is a broken package or something our fresh install, but if this is something that is a bug and I can capture data, I figured it would be worthwhile to come here and ask about it
[17:05] <BarkingFish> I didn't lose my networking, it was only lost after the upgrade completed and I rebooted
[17:05] <GremlynTab> can load up* (autocorrect, using tablet)
[17:05] <BarkingFish> Thankfully, I don't remove my old kernel versions, so I could still fallback to an old one to get on the net
[17:05] <BarkingFish> I've got kernel headers on here going back to 2.6.38-11 :D
[17:08] <|Anthony|> hold shift during boot from install media to access nomodeset, right?
[17:08] <sacarlson> I wonder how far back of a kernel would still function with this next ubuntu 12.04?
[17:08] <penguin42> sacarlson: Depending on your video card probably quite a long way
[17:09] <sacarlson> I still have a kernel that worked with my old ibm webcam that no longer works now in even as new as ubuntu 10.04
[17:10] <sacarlson> penguin42: my video card is an old nividia so as long as those drivers work then I can still link into libs for ubuntu 12.04?
[17:11] <sacarlson> so what is lost by using old kernels then if your drivers are all working on your old kernel?
[17:11] <GremlynTab> any suggestions for me? currently downloading the live CD, and I think I will do a fresh install...
[17:12] <sacarlson> GremlynTab: I suggest you do it...
[17:12] <GremlynTab> I mean in terms of info collection for bug reporting
[17:12] <penguin42> GremlynTab: The thing about / not being present - is that all? Any details? Tell us about your PC - anything odd?
[17:13] <sacarlson> GremlynTab: I personaly do my fresh installs in my spare expermental boot partition so I can always backup to the last one
[17:13] <GremlynTab> immediately prior to that message, udevd throws an error regarding my Android rules file
[17:13] <BarkingFish> penguin42, Does this make enough sense to be understandable please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndiswrapper/+bug/975322
[17:13] <penguin42> GremlynTab: I've seen udevd files break boots before; more normally they just moan a lot
[17:13] <GremlynTab> sacarlson, figures I would give the upgrade a shot side beta2 dropped the upgrade warning, knowing that my fallback would be a fresh install
[17:14] <penguin42> GremlynTab: You said the rescue boots ok?
[17:14] <GremlynTab> yeah, I can get the ro root shell
[17:14] <penguin42> BarkingFish: Sounds reasonable
[17:15] <BarkingFish> ok, cheers
[17:15] <penguin42> GremlynTab: OK, exactly what does that say - is that the initramfs prompt?
[17:15] <GremlynTab> after I get the mounting error, I hit m for manual recovery
[17:16] <GremlynTab> I assume this is the on error mount as ro in my Gustav
[17:16] <GremlynTab> fstab*
[17:16] <penguin42> GremlynTab: Hmm OK, I can't quite remember the details there - so from that ro can you look at your /etc/fstab and see if it makes sense? Also look at /proc/partitions
[17:17] <GremlynTab> fstab looks good to me, let me check /proc/partitions
[17:18] <GremlynTab> I see sda/sda1/sda2/Adam
[17:19] <penguin42> Adam ?
[17:19] <GremlynTab> damn autocorrect
[17:19] <GremlynTab> sda5
[17:19]  * penguin42 rotfls
[17:19] <GremlynTab> which is my swap
[17:19] <penguin42> GremlynTab: And which one is your root ?
[17:19] <GremlynTab> sda1
[17:20] <GremlynTab> Sda2 appears to be nothing, 1 block
[17:20] <penguin42> and is it listed in the fstab by uuid or as /dev/sda1 ?
[17:21] <GremlynTab> sda1 is /dev, sda5 is you'd
[17:21] <GremlynTab> ugh
[17:21] <GremlynTab> uuid
[17:21] <Dr_willis> sda5 is not a uuid. :)
[17:21] <GremlynTab> listed by
[17:21] <penguin42> ok, so run   blkid    and see if it matches what it says in fstab
[17:22] <GremlynTab> yep, it does
[17:22] <penguin42> GremlynTab: Well ok, so the fact you're in a ro shell and it can see your filesystem means it can't be too confused - right?
[17:22] <GremlynTab> that is my hope
[17:23] <penguin42> GremlynTab: So anything odd in dmesg?
[17:24] <GremlynTab> udevd converting plus udev database
[17:24] <Steevca> I had a problem with ubuntu 12.04 and network manager,it couldn't detect my network,so someon on the forums seid that i can install wicd,and that is better.So i am asking can i install 11.10 on my pc,then remove the network-manager and upgrade to 12.04 via live cd and keep the wicd instead of network manager? :D
[17:24] <GremlynTab> plus = old
[17:24] <GremlynTab> then
[17:24] <penguin42> GremlynTab: Hmm, so does mount -o remount,rw /      work?
[17:25] <GremlynTab> init: mountall main process (366) terminated with status 3
[17:25] <webm0nk3`> so i am experiencing bug #973095
[17:25] <webm0nk3`> I have no idea which package to select
[17:25] <Steevca> Anyone? :D
[17:25] <GremlynTab> appears to have pensioners
[17:26] <GremlynTab> lol, so much autocorrect fail
[17:26]  * penguin42 giggles at GremlynTab's autocomplete
[17:26] <Steevca> xD
[17:26] <penguin42> GremlynTab: what should that be?
[17:27] <penguin42> webm0nk3`: I'd go for grub-pc
[17:27] <GremlynTab> your username
[17:27] <penguin42> ah :-)
[17:27] <penguin42> GremlynTab: I'm nearly 40 but not a pensioner yet!
[17:27] <GremlynTab> lol
[17:28] <GremlynTab> so no network connection to be had...
[17:28] <webm0nk3`> penguin42: thx
[17:28] <penguin42> GremlynTab: Well, if it's letting you mount there - hmm, I'd try removing your android udev file
[17:28] <GremlynTab> just thinking that
[17:29] <GremlynTab> moving it to .bak will be enough, right? add in udev specifically looks for .rules
[17:29] <Steevca> Will i lose my software if i upgrade via live cd from 11.10 to 12.04 ? Will wicd be replaced with network-manager? xD I realy need an answer fast. :P
[17:30] <penguin42> GremlynTab: Not sure
[17:30] <GremlynTab> we shall find out I guess
[17:30] <penguin42> Steevca: Well, you know what things are like, it's a beta, it's an upgrade, *anything* might happen
[17:30] <GremlynTab> steevca, if you do an upgrade, no, fresh install yes
[17:30] <Steevca> Ok,thanks for the answers.
[17:31] <Steevca> I am going to try if it's ok it's ok if not then i ll just reinstall 11.10 again. :P
[17:31] <GremlynTab> ok yeah, with an upgrade you shouldn't loose anything (that is compatible)
[17:31] <GremlynTab> but it is a beta
[17:33] <GremlynTab> reading udev gives me the message 'specified group 'colord' unknown'
[17:34] <penguin42> GremlynTab: Got an old rule that's trying to make something owned by colord (what ever that is - obviously missing a u....)
[17:36] <GremlynTab> I agree on the I ;)
[17:36] <GremlynTab> only the rules in there, can't be hard to find it
[17:36] <GremlynTab> and that was 'i agree on the u.
[17:37] <BarkingFish> uhoh. I just discovered one more problem, I just realised I have no sound.  Mixer is present, but I have no audio at all.
[17:37] <penguin42> GremlynTab: Did you have some colurimeter or similar calibration thing?
[17:37] <GremlynTab> not that I can remember
[17:37] <GremlynTab> could always try making the group to try and fix it I suppose
[17:37] <trism> colord is installed by default now, since oneiric
[17:37] <trism> !info colord
[17:38] <penguin42> GremlynTab: I have  colord:x:136:   and scanner:x:137:colord
[17:39] <penguin42> would be surprised though if that's the thing stopping your boot
[17:39] <GremlynTab> might not stop it, haven't tried again since moving the Android rulea
[17:40] <GremlynTab> might be related to my scanner
[17:40] <GremlynTab> the colord
[17:40] <BarkingFish> back in a tick, going to reboot and check why I have no audio
[17:40] <BarkingFish> brb
[17:40] <GremlynTab> ok what is the flag for cat to show the start of the file?
[17:41] <penguin42> GremlynTab: Don't use cat, use head
[17:42] <GremlynTab> I grep-ed for colord and got nothing
[17:43] <GremlynTab> it is also not in /etc/group
[17:43] <pepee> the touchpad cursos jumps around :/
[17:44] <GremlynTab> rebooting, lets see what happens
[17:45] <GremlynTab> htm, still not working
[17:46] <penguin42> GremlynTab: I'm not really sure what to suggest next, there are some logs in /var/log/upstart but if it's not mounted rw yet it won't help
[17:47] <GremlynTab> seems this is the issue I am seeing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11800298
[17:47] <GremlynTab> note the Android udev error is gone, I see the plymouthd error too
[17:48] <xus> hi internet friends !
[17:48] <xus> do you have any recommendations for system usage widgets on unity?
[17:49] <Dr_willis> xus,  the askubuntu.com site has a listing of various indicator-applets that may cover what you want.
[17:51] <GremlynTab> penguin42, thanks for your efforts none the less
[17:52] <pepee> GremlynTab, add a new group called colord?
[18:01] <GremlynTab> well the live USB boot is ready, lets try to fix this
[18:06] <pepee> GremlynTab, add a group called colord?
[18:06] <GremlynTab> tried it, no dice
[18:06] <GremlynTab> did get rid of the error though
[18:06] <pepee> or reinstall colord, I suppose that the package is the one that will add it
[18:06] <GremlynTab> no network through the remounted recovery shell
[18:07] <pepee> what error are you getting now?
[18:07] <pepee> most, if not all problems, can be fixed by using dpkg/apt
[18:07] <GremlynTab> did the link I posted come through?
[18:08] <pepee> GremlynTab, yep
[18:08] <GremlynTab> plymouthd error, the same as in the first part on that thread
[18:08] <pepee> ah k
[18:09] <GremlynTab> how can I run dpkg/apt from the live CD? I believe it is possible, right?
[18:12] <pepee_> :/
[18:12] <pepee_> GremlynTab, uninstall plymouth, IIRC you don't really need it
[18:13] <GremlynTab> oh yeah? with a shot
[18:14] <GremlynTab> apt-get purge didn't need internet, right?
[18:14] <pepee> nope
[18:14] <GremlynTab> ok
[18:16] <GremlynTab> except now it isn't giving me the option of the recovery shell...
[18:17] <GremlynTab> oh there we go
[18:17] <pepee> in grub, edit the linux command, and add init=/bin/bash
[18:18] <pepee> try fixing things in apt
[18:19] <GremlynTab> not letting me remove Plymouth, tells me there are unmet dependencies
[18:20] <GremlynTab> looks like the live CD repair will be the way to go
[18:20] <pepee> then don't do it
[18:20] <pepee> nope,  I think better option is to repair things from there
[18:20] <pepee> run apt-get --fix-broken
[18:20] <GremlynTab> I have no network connection in the shell though
[18:21] <pepee> wifi?
[18:21] <GremlynTab> if I mount and chroot from the live CD, it will accomplish the same thing, no?
[18:21] <GremlynTab> yeah, wifi, will wired work?
[18:22] <Dr_willis_> wired would be easier
[18:22] <tux> flash update a few mins ago has disabled my flash on some sites
[18:22] <pepee> yes
[18:22] <tux> saying im using an older one..
[18:22] <GremlynTab> I just figured networking wasn't present
[18:22] <pepee> GremlynTab, do you know how to use ifconfig/iwconfig?
[18:23] <GremlynTab> not well
[18:26] <pepee> hmm you can install wicd-curses, but without internet, you can't do much :/
[18:26] <GremlynTab> found a repair guide for chroot using the live CD, going to give it a shot
[18:27] <GremlynTab> I can get internet that way easily
[18:28] <pepee> yep
[18:31] <pepee> the touchpad cursos jumps around. can someone help me with it?
[18:32] <Zoffix_> Hey. I'm using KDE, does anyone know if there's a way to disable window moving with ALT+Drag when window is maximized?
[18:32] <GremlynTab> touchpad or clickpad?
[18:32] <pepee> what's a clickpad?
[18:33] <GremlynTab> non physical buttons
[18:33] <pepee> ah
[18:33] <pepee> it does have buttons
[18:33] <GremlynTab> and has multitude
[18:33] <GremlynTab> multitouch
[18:34] <GremlynTab> messed with the sensitivity settings?
[18:34] <pepee> the cursor jumps if I select some text and then move the cursor
[18:34] <pepee> probably
[18:34] <pepee> but I didn't do a thing
[18:35] <GremlynTab> is it something that happened immediately after the upgrade?
[18:35] <pepee> yep
[18:36] <GremlynTab> I know mouse stuff was tweaked, it's possible that the default is just wrong for your mouse
[18:36] <yofel> Zoffix_: there is in the oxygen settings
[18:36] <GremlynTab> though I have really only been paying attention to the clickpad the last couple of years
[18:36] <pepee> it could be a "feature", but is really bad...
[18:37] <yofel> Zoffix_: press alt+f2, run 'oxygen-settings' and on the general tab change the setting for the drag mode
[18:37] <pepee> I do this: select text, move the mouse up so I can select more text. one second after that, the mouse jumps to the top
[18:38] <ScG^Dedicated> hi there, I have updated my laptop to 12.04 a while ago but seem to have a terrible terrible internet connection with it, has there been any bugs that have caused this lately?
[18:39] <GremlynTab> I seem to remember a similar problem many years ago when I first started using Ubuntu, though what it was put the food is far gone from memory... :(
[18:39] <Zoffix_> yofel, sorry, to clarify: I do want to keep Alt+Drag for non-maximized windows. I just don't want it on maximized ones because that causes window to de-maximize, and I often have brainfarts when working in Windows in VirtualBox.
[18:39] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, yeah, power management could be the problem
[18:40] <yofel> Zoffix_: ah sorry, misunderstood
[18:40] <yofel> hm..
[18:40] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee, any way to check/fix it?
[18:40] <GremlynTab> ScG^dedicated, define terrible? wired or wireless?
[18:40] <penguin42> Zoffix_: You can add 'window rules' I'm not sure if you can do that on 'all maximised' windows, but you can certainly do it on all your VirtualBox ones
[18:41] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, what card?
[18:41] <Zoffix_> penguin42, doesn't look like I can do 'all maximized', but it's definitely better than nothing (for VirtualBox should work). Thanks.
[18:41] <ScG^Dedicated> no idea it's a new laptop and I am pretty new to Ubuntu
[18:42] <yofel> yeah, adding a window rule should work
[18:42] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, run iwconfig , and paste the output in pastebin
[18:43] <Zoffix_> Yup, did the trick, window rules did the trick.
[18:43] <Zoffix_> yofel, penguin42 thanks for help
[18:43]  * Zoffix_ leaves back to work
[18:43] <bitplane-> Hi all, anyone know much about java? /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk is empty while my openjdk is actually /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64
[18:44] <bitplane-> jvisualvm can't find my jdk because it looks in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk
[18:44] <bitplane-> shouldn't /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk be a symlink to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64?
[18:44] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee, lol even sending an email to this pc with the iwconfig info fails
[18:45] <pepee> bitplane-, check if oracle-java7-installer is installed
[18:45] <ScG^Dedicated> wth
[18:45] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, use pastebinit
[18:46] <bitplane-> pepee, doesn't look like it (dpkg --get-selections | grep oracle-java7-installer)
[18:46] <pepee> bitplane-, ls -l /usr/lib/jvm/
[18:47] <pepee> gotta go, sorry :/
[18:47] <bitplane-> all openjdk there
[18:47] <lgp171188> Hi, I just updated my precise installation and find that the flash player plugin is removed and the flash videos are not working. Is there any reason why that could have happened? After a recent update previously, I was experiencing smurf effect on youtube flash videos.
[18:47] <bitplane-> should I raise as a bug against jvisualvm?
[18:48] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee, this is my pc, I want to send the iwconfig info to this pc by mail but I cannot receive nor send mail
[18:48] <yofel> bitplane-: it should, and is here
[18:48] <yofel> try reinstalling maybe, I've seen java upgrades for multiarch mess up sometimes
[18:48] <yofel> bitplane-: does /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk exist on your system?
[18:48] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee, it is a really weird issue
[18:49] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee, can't ping google either
[18:50] <ScG^Dedicated> it all used to work
[18:50] <ScG^Dedicated> it said google is unknown host
[18:50] <bitplane-> yofel, yeah it is, but it's an empty dir that looks like it was created when I upgraded to precise
[18:51] <yofel> here the link is owned by default-jre-headless, maybe try installing that
[18:52] <yofel> *reinstalling
[18:52] <bitplane-> ok thanks :)
[18:52] <ScG^Dedicated> where's the link?
[18:53] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, iwconfig shows the network interfaces. tell me what interfaces you have
[18:53] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee, IEEE 802.11gbn
[18:53] <ScG^Dedicated> you need that?
[18:54] <ScG^Dedicated> wlan0
[18:54] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, something like wlan0
[18:54] <pepee> ahh k
[18:54] <ScG^Dedicated> yes
[18:54] <pepee> are you using wifi?
[18:54] <ScG^Dedicated> power management off
[18:54] <ScG^Dedicated> yes wifi
[18:54] <pepee> ahh :/
[18:54] <pepee> then power management is not the problem
[18:54] <ScG^Dedicated> link quality 60/70 signal strength: -50dBm
[18:54] <yofel> ScG^Dedicated: does your /etc/resolv.conf have a nameserver line?
[18:55] <ScG^Dedicated> uhm how can I check that?
[18:55] <yofel> nvm
[18:55]  * yofel has his own connection issues right now
[18:55]  * patdk-wk hates 802.11gbn
[18:57] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, run: lspci | egrep -i 'net|wireless'
[18:58] <ScG^Dedicated> what should that do?
[18:58] <ScG^Dedicated> i did the command but doesn't look like anything is happening
[18:59] <pepee> it shows what adapter are you using
[18:59] <ScG^Dedicated> nothing happens..
[18:59] <pepee> usb wifi?
[18:59] <ScG^Dedicated> nope
[18:59] <ScG^Dedicated> well it worked before without problems
[18:59] <pepee> run lspci
[18:59] <ScG^Dedicated> again nothing
[19:00] <pepee> :/
[19:00] <ScG^Dedicated> when I want to close it
[19:00] <ScG^Dedicated> it says a process is still running
[19:00] <ScG^Dedicated> but there's nothing
[19:00] <pepee> in a terminal?
[19:00] <ScG^Dedicated> yeh
[19:01] <bitplane-> lspci returns nothing?!
[19:01] <pepee> like, it's still working?
[19:01] <ScG^Dedicated> when I press enter nothing happens I think
[19:01] <ScG^Dedicated> but when I want to close the terminal it says something is still running
[19:01] <bitplane-> it should list all the devices plugged in to PCI sockets
[19:02] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, run killall lspci
[19:02] <ScG^Dedicated> ahh
[19:02] <ScG^Dedicated> now it works
[19:02] <pepee> good
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> anyone been keeping tabs on http://zfsonlinux.org/ ?  kklimonda
[19:02] <pepee> run lspci again
[19:02] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! I would like to know if ubiquity is going to change for the final release, as I will make some guides and I need some screenshots.
[19:02] <ScG^Dedicated> big list of stuff shows up
[19:03] <pepee> any wireless device listed there?
[19:04] <ScG^Dedicated> ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI E xpress Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
[19:04] <ScG^Dedicated> ohh that's not the wireless
[19:04] <pepee> nope
[19:04] <pepee> btw, that one is problematic
[19:05] <ScG^Dedicated> Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adaptor (PCI Express) (rev 01)
[19:05] <ScG^Dedicated> that's the one
[19:05] <kklimonda> FernandoMiguel: nope, I don't really care about FS that can't be mainlined into the kernel
[19:05] <pepee> hmm, same as mine, and it works perfectly :/
[19:06]  * ScG^Dedicated smacks his forehead and screams DOH XD
[19:06] <FernandoMiguel> kklimonda: yeah :\
[19:06] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee
[19:06] <kklimonda> FernandoMiguel: how is btrfs nowadays?
[19:07] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee I did add some rules to ufw but I have it inactive
[19:07] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, hehe
[19:07] <FernandoMiguel> kklimonda: haven't used it in almost a year
[19:07] <jeanpaul> hi everybody
[19:07] <ScG^Dedicated> and I added the mvps hosts file to my hosts file
[19:07] <pepee> hi jeanpaul
[19:07] <ScG^Dedicated> that's about all I did on my laptop so far
[19:08] <jeanpaul> I'm trying to locate the package responsible for keyboard shortcuts, and the window tiling shortcuts in particular
[19:08] <jeanpaul> to clarify (maybe unnecessarily so), I mean within Unity
[19:09] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee I shall go afk for a bit
[19:09] <Sorinan> My system doesn't boot anymore at 3.2.0-22 (it doesn't ask for root partition crypt password), while it boots normally with 3.2.0-21. What can I do?
[19:09] <jeanpaul> I've noticed that what I'll call "vertical tiling" (aka putting 2 windows next to each other with a vertical split) doesn't work properly with the shortcuts
[19:10] <jeanpaul> horizontal tiling and tiling into quadrants work fine, as does full-screening
[19:11] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, http://blog.homelinux.org/?p=327
[19:12] <jeanpaul> I'm looking for the package but if anybody can tell me the more general matter of linking specific features to specific packages I'll happily take that as well
[19:15] <jeanpaul> I'm asking because I'm currently checking out the Precise daily live cd of today and toying around with it, and if this is indeed a bug I'd like to try and fix it
[19:15] <jeanpaul> Tiling is important to me :)
[19:19] <trism> jeanpaul: what would be the shortcuts for the vertical tiling, ctrl+super+left/right?
[19:20] <ScG^Dedicated> pepee
[19:20] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated
[19:20] <ScG^Dedicated> I am doing what that link said
[19:20] <pepee> ok
[19:20] <ScG^Dedicated> but have no idea how to save a file in the terminal
[19:20] <pepee> ScG^Dedicated, ctrl+x
[19:21] <ScG^Dedicated> ty :)
[19:22] <jeanpaul> trism: almost. it's supposed to be ctrl + alt + <keypad left> and ctrl + alt + <keypad right>, if I may interpolate from the other keybindings
[19:23] <trism> jeanpaul: ctrl+alt+left/right changes workspaces, I believe they did change several default keybindings in precise, I am getting ctrl+super+left/right for moving a window to the left/right grid areas
[19:26] <jeanpaul> Shouldn't Unity be able to detect whether <kp left> and <left> is pressed? Besides, ctrl + alt + <kp up> does tile the window correctly to the upper half of the screen. A similar issue should arise if that were really the case
[19:26] <trism> jeanpaul: oh I don't know, I don't have a keypad on this machine
[19:27] <jeanpaul> btw, I just tried ctrl + super (I'm assuming it's what most keyboards label as the 'windows' key) + <left> (constrast that to <kp left>) and that does indeed work
[19:28] <jeanpaul> but it's incredibly counterintuitive. If the 'normal' arrow keys are used my opinion is that they should *all* be used, no just <left> and <right>
[19:28] <jeanpaul> failing that, it should all be configurable
[19:29] <jeanpaul> which is why I'm looking for the package
[19:29] <trism> jeanpaul: it is configurable, in ccsm, on the grid plugin. I also checked the schema, and it would appear the defaults are ctrl+super+left/right for left right, ctrl+alt+kp8 for top and ctrl+alt+kp2 for bottom
[19:30] <trism> jeanpaul: the source package would be compiz-plugins-main
[19:30] <pepee> well, this is the bug I have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/962704
[19:31] <bitplane-> Hrm... I've just updated and i've got a bunch of packages held back
[19:31] <jeanpaul> trism: that's indeed what I've found. My problem with those bindings is the counter-intuitiveness, which seems to clash with the rest of the spirit in Unity (I'm a first-time user of it, btw)
[19:31] <Dr_willis_> perhaps do a dist-upgrade
[19:31] <bitplane-> should I force 'em, or is that naughty?
[19:32] <Dr_willis_> during beta - ive often had to force, or dist-upgrade things.
[19:32] <bitplane-> Dr_willis_: yep that works! thanks :)
[19:32] <jeanpaul> I'll check it out. Thanks for the info
[19:33] <AlfE_> hello
[19:33] <AlfE_> remmina is quite unstable under kubuntu 12.04 beta 2
[19:34] <trism> jeanpaul: I believe this is the bug that made the change: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/969235
[19:34] <AlfE_> had to revert to krdc and putty
[19:35] <Dr_willis_> !info remmina
[19:36] <jeanpaul> trism: thank you for that link! I'll provide my input there, see what happend
[19:41] <bitplane-> how do I get the ownership of a file with dpkg?
[19:41] <bitplane-> ooh found it -S
[19:45] <bitplane-> ok so I reinstalled default-jre-headless and /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk is still an empty dir
[19:45] <bitplane-> is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk an empty dir for anyone else?
[19:45] <bitplane-> and should I raise a bug with jvisualvm or with java?
[19:45] <stegbth> hello everybody
[19:46] <stegbth> i'm trying 12.04
[19:46] <stegbth> looks already pretty good
[19:46] <stegbth> but i have two problems
[19:46] <bitplane-> hi stegbth, what's the problems?
[19:47] <stegbth> first in empathy i cant select SIP as protocol
[19:47] <stegbth> second i have a smartcardreader (ReinerSCT ecom), it get discovered, but /dev/ttyUSB0 belongs to dialout instead of cyberjack or (pcsc)
[19:48] <bitplane-> stegbth: do you have telepathy-sofiasip installed?
[19:49] <stegbth> when i check the smartcardreader the testprogram says "PC/SC-Interface not available"
[19:49] <bitplane-> I don't know much about usb serial thingies
[19:50] <stegbth> bitplane-: no, i dont have this packages, at least synamptic does not find it
[19:50] <stegbth> no i dont have sofiasip
[19:50] <stegbth> sorry searched wrong
[19:51] <bitplane-> I have sofiasip and can select SIP in empathy, I guess installing that is the answer
[19:53] <bitplane-> do you have a /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk dir, and is it a symlink/empty? need to see if my problem is with my system or java
[19:54] <AlfE_> Dr_willis: thanks, i know about remmina, but the latest version on 12.04 beta 2 crashes quite often (have to do a killall)
[19:55] <AlfE_> plasma-desktop also crashes quite often and restarts automatically
[19:56] <stegbth> bitplane
[19:57] <stegbth> thank you, i can now also select SIp
[20:04] <bitplane-> hellllp pleeeeeeeeease
[20:05] <bitplane-> someone please "ls /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk" and let me know what you get
[20:06] <spacebug-> bitplane-: empty
[20:06] <trism> bitplane-: I have java-6-openjdk-{amd64,common}, not that directory though
[20:07] <bitplane-> excellent thanks
[20:07] <pepee> bitplane-, that folder is linked to -amd64
[20:07] <bitplane-> hmm maybe if I remove it then reinstall the java headless package thing?
[20:09] <bitplane-> yep that fixed it. so I guess the upgrade messed up. report bug in default-jre-headless?
[20:15] <jo-erlend> hmm. I'm experiencing radically reduced wifi signals. I have no particular reason to think it's related to software, but then I have no good way of excluding it. Has there been many complaints about it?
[20:16] <mongo> jo-erlend: make sure you are in the correct regulatory domain
[20:17] <mongo> I don't have a computer with wifi right now to check but the command iwlist should show you the current power settings
[20:18] <jo-erlend> but if the cause is in software, won't that be reflected there as well?
[20:20] <jo-erlend> there might be lots of other reasons for bad reception. I won't spend large amounts of time searching for software issues if the reason is other networks or something else I can't control. That's why I'm asking if this is a very frequent complain that has started very recently. Say during the last two weeks.
[20:24] <pepee> jo-erlend, could be power management
[20:24] <pepee> jo-erlend, what adapter/driver?
[20:25] <bitplane-> spacebug-/trism: can you try installing visualvm and running it (jvisualvm in console), if it fails to start clicky-click your support here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/java-common/+bug/975469
[20:25] <jo-erlend> listen. I'm _not_ looking to troubleshoot this. I'm asking if this is a very frequent question here since 10-14 days ago.
[20:26] <pepee> well, I've been a couple hours in this channel..
[20:27] <bitplane-> jo-erlend: I've been in here on and off over the last few weeks and haven't seen anyone complain about it
[20:27] <pepee> but I myseld had to fix my connection (pm bug), and some people had asked about it here and in #ubuntu
[20:27] <bitplane-> not sure if this channel is logged, but if it is then maybe you can grep the log to see how common it is?
[20:28] <pepee> I've seen two kind of problems: power management, and hwcrypt
[20:28] <jo-erlend> if noones seen a large number of people  suddenly complaining about it, then I'm sure it's not software.
[20:28] <pepee> ?
[20:30] <pepee> I'm sure it is
[20:30] <jeanpaul> bye everybody
[20:31] <jo-erlend> heh... pepee, you're sure it's software related? :)
[20:31] <pepee> driver related, yes
[20:32] <pepee> power management scripts are broken, because the rt73usb doesn't create a file...
[20:32] <jo-erlend> you're certain it's not that the guy next door has purchased a new washing machine?
[20:32] <pepee> no, this one is mine
[20:34] <pepee> btw I can help you fix it
[20:35] <jo-erlend> I have many computers in my wireless network. All of them use Ubuntu, and on all of them, I suddenly started experiencing radical drops in reception. I upgraded all at the same time, so it _might_ have been caused by software. But since these computers are very different, that would mean there should be lots of complains about it. In that case, I would look at the software.
[20:35] <jo-erlend> if nobody's seen large amounts of complaints about this, then I'm going to exclude software and look for other causes. That's why I asked.
[20:36] <guntbert> jo-erlend: did you restart the AP yet?
[20:36] <pepee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1612367
[20:36] <pepee> yeah, could be related to your router, too
[20:36] <jo-erlend> guntbert, I did, yes. And it went from no reception at all and to connectable, but my connections drop constantly.
[20:36] <stegbth> good night
[20:40] <pepee> brb
[20:41] <mongo> jo-erlend: can you put the output from  iw reg get on pastbin
[20:43] <Guest97304> there are a ton of updates apparently, but its a partial upgrade?
[20:44] <ferni> jo-erlend: hmm.. just curious, does the whole connection drop to ap or just the tcp conn to somewhere?
[20:46] <guntbert> ferni: he is gone
[20:48] <ferni> yeah..
[20:48] <bitplane-> is there a command-line tool that uploads stuff to a pastebin via pipe? that would be useful
[20:49] <guntbert> !pastebinit | bitplane-
[20:49] <guntbert> of course there is...
[20:49] <bitplane-> cool
[20:49] <bitplane-> thanks
[20:52] <mongo> FYI the "unknown" or world regulatory setting in linux for wireless limits the power to 100mw, that can be an issue
[20:53] <aguitel> how upgrade kubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 ?
[20:54] <Fyodorovna> aguitel, alt-f2 update-manager -d  will give you the update manager ready
[20:58] <mongo> hrm ya I just checked, 12.04 is defaulted to country 00 on sandybridge
[20:58] <penguin42> Where does it get the country from - I notice my work laptop defaults to Ireland
[20:59] <mongo> jo-erlend: run 'iw reg get' and tell me the country line
[21:09] <TRAVISg> I can't get my dual monitors to work in 12.04
[21:10] <TRAVISg> Not sure what info to give here
[21:11] <pepee> ati/nvidia? open source driver?
[21:11] <jo-erlend> mongo, from all my computers?
[21:12] <TRAVISg> Intel® 965G x86/MMX/SSE2
[21:13] <mongo> jo-erlend: wel from one would be fine
[21:13] <TRAVISg> is that what you are asking?
[21:13] <mongo> jo-erlend: what country are you in?
[21:13] <pepee> TRAVISg, yes
[21:14] <Yaaaaaa> does anyone here use gtkpod 2.1.1 on precise and have it crash when hitting add folder??
[21:14] <mongo> jo-erlend: anyway, if it says 00 try running 'sudo iw reg set US' and see if tha helps
[21:15] <TRAVISg> any advise would be great I will leave the chat open but I have to run
[21:15] <mongo> jo-erlend: assuming that you are in the US
[21:15] <jo-erlend> mongo, I just wanted to hear if there were _large_ amounts of complaints. If there were, then I might have something to contribute. If there's not, then it's extremely unlikely that it has anything to do with software at all – since I experience it will _all_ computers, though they are completely different. The whole point was to save time. Please don't try to investigate or troubleshoot.
[21:15] <mongo> jo-erlend: it defaults to the "world" reg domain, that may limit your power output depending on where you are at
[21:16] <jo-erlend> mongo, and that changed the last two weeks?
[21:16] <mongo> jo-erlend: I just checked a laptop and it was defaulted to the world, which would limit output to 100mw when you can go to about 500mw in the US on the 2.4ghz band
[21:16] <pepee> TRAVISg, http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
[21:16] <mongo> jo-erlend: I have no idea, didn't look at it before
[21:17] <jo-erlend> mongo, well. If there's chance of improvement, of course I'll have a look at it. I'm in Norway though.
[21:18] <pepee> jo-erlend, if all of those machines did the same at the same time, try fixig just one first
[21:18] <pepee> *fixing
[21:18] <mongo> jo-erlend: http://linuxwireless.org/en/developers/Regulatory/Database?alpha2=NO
[21:18] <jo-erlend> pepee, ... That would be impossible if it's cased by radio disturbance by a new shop in the city block or something.
[21:18] <mongo> ya it looks like except up on 5ghz you are limited to 100mw
[21:20] <jo-erlend> right. I don't think the router supports 5ghz.
[21:20] <pepee> you said they did that after an update... isn't the source of the problem obvious?
[21:21] <pepee> look for changes in related packages, then see if you can replicate it
[21:21] <jo-erlend> pepee, no, it isn't obvious. Two completely different things can happen at the same time. I'm not going to invest a hundred hours investigating software if it's just that my the guy next door is developing a nuclear weapon – which perfectly well might have an impact on my wifi.
[21:22] <pepee> ok, fine
[21:22] <jo-erlend> this is why I wanted to take the shortcut of asking if you'd seen extreme amounts of complaints about this during this week. Otherwise, it is not software.
[21:23] <pepee> could be your ISP updating the routers/modem firmware too
[21:23] <jo-erlend> ... and that would result in a 60-80% reduction in radio signals? That sounds strange to me.
[21:26] <aguitel> Fyodorovna, No new release found say
[21:30] <aguitel> Fyodorovna, No new release found say
[21:42] <Monotoko> hey... does anybody know how I can disable the guest account in 12.04?
[21:42] <Monotoko> I know there isn't really a reason to, as my directory is encrypted and if someone wants in they can just use a liveCD... but it would make me feel far better if the option didn't exist at all
[21:46] <pepee> mokoloko, guest account?
[21:47] <Monotoko> pepee: I'm seeing a "guest session" button on the login page
[21:48] <spacebug-> Monotoko: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62564/how-do-i-disable-the-guest-session
[21:48] <Monotoko> ahhh thank you spacebug- :)
[21:49] <spacebug-> yw ;)
[21:53] <Monotoko_> spacebug-: it worked perfectly! Even too well, I was updating when it restarted lightdm
[21:53] <Monotoko_> and now I can't get a lock on dpkg to complete the update...
[21:55] <spacebug-> hehe
[21:55] <spacebug-> kill the app that is locking
[21:56] <Monotoko_> I think it's already dead... it was the software updater
[21:56] <Monotoko_> kind of got killed unexpectedly along with everything else in my session XD
[21:57] <spacebug-> hum ok
[21:58] <Monotoko_> ...odd, it must be running in the background
[21:58] <Monotoko_> "Your browser has been updated and needs to be restarted"
[21:58] <Monotoko_> -.-
[21:59] <Daekdroom> Monotoko_, look at the bright side! No insane package breakage to deal with.
[21:59] <markit> hi, I'm using kubuntu 12.04 and seems impossible to me set system wide the default home page, pref() that I put in /etc/firefox/syspref.js or /etc/xul-ext/ubufox.js is ignored
[21:59] <markit> any tip? I'm becoming mad on this (should be) trivial thing
[21:59] <Monotoko_> Daekdroom: true, but I don't know what it's updating or where it is o.0
[22:12] <scientes> 𢭲𠑬𡧲
[22:12] <scientes> I'm missing those characters, what font do i need to install?
[22:13] <spacebug-> hard to say when I don't see them either =)
[22:13] <scientes> its vietnamese
[22:14] <mkultra_> lol im missing them too
[22:15] <spacebug-> scientes: do you see them anywhere on your system/webpage or anything?
[22:15] <scientes> well we are using the same software
[22:15] <scientes> its fro mhere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Multilingual_support_%28East_Asian%29
[22:16] <spacebug-> scientes: look down on that site and you see what fonts
[22:16] <Belial`> http://pastebin.com/v3FXgje2 - i get this error when i try to erase my usb disk to make a bootable iso. anyone else having this problem in 12.04?
[22:16] <Ljungmann> Does anyone got experience with UEFI dual booting ? I seem to be affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/807801 but don't really know where to go from here.
[22:17] <Caitlin889955> Hello world!
[22:17] <scientes> spacebug-, it only lists fonts for chinese japaneese, and korean, all which work flawlessly out of the box
[22:17] <scientes> its only those 3 characters of the vietnamese part that are borked
[22:17] <Caitlin889955> Who here is using wine 1.5.1? in 12.04?
[22:17] <spacebug-> scientes: hum ok
[22:17] <mkultra_> Ω
[22:17] <scientes> mkultra_, OHM
[22:17] <mkultra_> does that show up right for you?
[22:18] <mkultra_> =D
[22:18] <spacebug-> yes
[22:18] <scientes> yes, everything else on that page works
[22:18] <mkultra_> i looked that up + utf 8
[22:19] <maxb> Yikes. Just installed some updates and my Unity launcher background has gone from a background-image-matching neutral brown to a rather lurid shade of purple :-/
[22:19] <mkultra_> i modded my flashlight to a 1 watt led, its an old clunker 6 volt big square battery thing that floats.....  tons of battery time with led now
[22:20] <mkultra_> i just moved my own image into replace theirs
[22:20] <mkultra_> exported my desktop to what ever was loaded's extensions
[22:21] <scientes> 畢哿每𠊚生𦋦調得自由吧平等𡗅人品吧權。
[22:21] <scientes> 每𡥵𠊚調得造化頒咮理智吧良心吧懃沛對處𢭲𠑬𡧲情朋友。
[22:21] <scientes> see, some characters are missing in ubuntu for vietnamese ^^^
[22:22] <scientes> the characters that are showing are probably han-unified characters
[22:22] <pepee> ya, I'm not vietnamese, but I can't see some chars too
[22:22] <scientes> and ubuntu is actually completely missing vietnamese support :)
[22:23] <scientes> (by default, that is)
[22:32] <penguin42> scientes: I assume you have the xfonts-intl-asian package installed?
[22:34] <Belial`> is the start up disk usb creator working for anyone?
[22:36] <penguin42> scientes: I think you should submit a bug for that; I guess since some of the characters work and some of them don;t it's a few characters missing in the font
[22:48] <penguin42> (although when I add that package, even after I do an xset fp rehash I don't see the font in gnome/kde apps, but I do see it in xfontsel
[23:22] <scientes> penguin42, no its not, as i said, the character that are showing are probably part of the han unification
[23:23] <scientes> penguin42, many east asian languages use chinese characters, and these are encoded once
[23:25] <penguin42> scientes: Best file a bug on it, Ubuntu tends to like to support as many languages as possible, so I think it would be noticed
[23:28] <penguin42> scientes: I'd file the bug against xorg (I'm not sure what would be better)
[23:52] <Ace> anyone else have problems downloading google-talkplugin?
[23:55] <FernandoMiguel> not recently