[00:02] Hello I'm still having problems with grub-pc update. because of it new linux-kernel not installed and other packages too. always errors from apt coz of dependencies. [00:02] whats an [00:02] RPM installer [00:03] demonboy: its what redhat, mandriva and suse etc, use [00:03] oh ok [00:06] jre is gonna take an hour to DL [00:06] guys please help I can't turn of my pc for a week or so just because of some problems with grub upgrade. I'm afraid I can't trurn on pc coz of grub issues [00:06] does ur pc turn on? [00:07] is it tht u cant boot up or cant turn on? [00:07] MechanisM: www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video/ [00:07] I'm just don't want to try if I can't. I want to successfully upgrade and then reboot [00:08] I don't asking tips for grub recovery I wanna solve dependencies for grub and upgrade it [00:08] MechanisM: This is a beta release - there will be problems that may be hard to recover from; if you can't handle that then wait for the release [00:09] but I'm just wonder why other ppl don't reported it yet [00:09] grub-pc requires older version of grub-pc-bin than I'm already have installed [00:09] MechanisM: There was a grub problem a few days/week ago that I know people did hit, and then got fixed, so I guess it might have been doing an update at just the wrong time [00:10] MechanisM: Or, you might have hit a problem others didn't [00:10] yep might be I'm upgraded at wrong time [00:10] so how to fix it? [00:11] I see upgrades for grub-pc but this new grub-pc requires older grub-pc-bin than I'm already have installed [00:12] because of this grub-pc issue I can't upgrade other packages etc [00:15] MechanisM, what errors? Have you tried reinstalling that grub-pic? [00:15] *pc [00:15] 64 kills 52 head shots wooo [00:15] oops wrong chat [00:15] yep I'm tried to reinstall grub-pc [00:16] MechanisM, if I were you, I'd prepare a live CD, so that if it doesn't boot as you expect, at least you'd have a backup plan. [00:16] errors is dependencies problems(grub-pc requires older version of grub-pc-bin than one already installed) [00:16] anyone using gnome desktop as opposed to Unity? [00:16] MechanisM, so what are the errors apt gives you? [00:17] looks like there is an issue adding a printer via System Settings [00:18] Can anyone connect to me via TeamViewer and look at the problem? [00:18] Why does that sound like a bad idea :} [00:19] for me bad idea was in grub-pc adding as dependency old version of grub-pc-bin [00:20] brb [00:23] Man, why oh why did I update >_+ LibreOffice doesn't want to open my .xls Ecel files. synergy stopped working properly. Lost some work on my last flyer I was making in VirtualBox, and seemingly lost all of my InDesign prefs (don't even know wtf happened). [00:23] * Zoffix cries [00:24] to install the jre 7 i use dpkg right [00:24] or is tht only for .deb pakages [00:25] demonboy, jsut sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre [00:26] i installed the jdk [00:26] i was told to download jre 7 as well [00:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/916764/ [00:26] look at tht ^ [00:26] I've got an issue with a 12.04 machine on my network. It can see the rest of the network and get to the internet, but no other machine on the network can get to it [00:28] get to it how? [00:29] ivan: ssh, or any of the cherrypy servers running on it [00:29] This happens with all 12.04 machines on my network, but 12.04 -> 11.10 and 11.10 -> 11.10 is fine [00:30] I've tried setting static IPs, restarting networking, and restarting the boxes [00:30] All machine are using Wifi [00:30] ufw has been turned off on each [00:32] Not quite sure where to go from here, I'm willing to provide any logs if necessary [00:48] now I even can't uninstall grub-pc and replace it with grub === zoffix is now known as Zoffix [00:51] MechanisM: are you running ipv6? [00:51] err sorry marcoceppi [00:51] mongo_: No, it's only IPv4 [00:52] marcoceppi: add "AddressFamily inet [00:52] to /etc/ssh/sshd_config [00:52] no " [00:52] just "AddressFamily inet" [00:54] also look at netstat -tnl and see if it is listening to 22 on the ipv4 [00:54] mongo_: Nope, and that wouldnt' explain why no ports are accessible [00:55] marcoceppi: iptables -L is blank? [00:55] mongo_: 8080, 8081, 22, 5000 are all being listened to [00:55] mongo_: It was before I explicitly added ACCEPT for port 22 [00:55] marcoceppi: on :::22 or on 0.0.0.0:22 [00:56] it's 0.0.0.0:22 -> 0.0.0.0:* [00:56] ok im back i got the jre 7 tar ball [00:56] what do i do w/ it [00:58] I had no luck booting from USB , is there I way I can make a clean install without cd or usb ? [00:58] marcoceppi: what does ufw status say? [00:59] mongo_: it's off [00:59] But I don't trust it [00:59] * marcoceppi considers uninstalling [00:59] marcoceppi: oh so you use iptables to add 22? to which ruleset? [00:59] INPUT ACCEPT [01:00] however, I just did that about 15 mins ago [01:00] marcoceppi: better to use "ufw default allow" than try and fight with it [01:00] mongo_: good tip, thanks [01:00] let me reboot this machine [01:01] marcoceppi: you may want to add net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf as ipv6 can cause issues like this [01:02] if ifconfig -a still shows ipv6 addresses [01:02] mongo_: thanks, I'll check that in one second [01:02] unfortunatly I have to diable network manager so I can't help try and debug that [01:03] mongo_: should I restart or just restart networking after disabling ipv6? [01:04] how do intall tarball... [01:04] marcoceppi: if you add that and run sysctl -p it will be gone [01:05] run ifconfig and make sure you don't have ipv6 addresses [01:07] demonboy: why not install it with apt-get install java7-jre [01:07] cause tht means i gotta wait more lol [01:07] i have the install downloaded [01:07] mongo_: Okay, ipv6 is gone iptables is empty no good. I'm going to restart for good measure [01:08] demonboy: not using packages will make it hard in the future [01:09] -_- [01:09] ok [01:09] mongo_: no go [01:11] marcoceppi: can you try it wired? [01:11] yeah,let me find cable that will reach. This particular box is mounted to the back of my tv [01:12] demonboy: err sorry java7-runtime [01:13] Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [01:13] put sudo in front [01:13] my upgrade process is doin libreoffice so idk y its sayin tht [01:16] mongo_: wtf! Wired works [01:16] wifi doesn't on both macihnes [01:16] mongo: what does purge do? [01:18] mongo_: any idea regarding that? [01:20] demonboy: purge uninstalls and removes the cached deb [01:33] mongo_: fixed it. I went in to Edit Connections, change IPv6 from Automatic to Ignore [01:40] 12.04 upgrade from 11.10: So, been having REAL trouble trying to get Unity (the left had side menu). I have Gnome and it is the only way I can navigate right now. Is this normal? Thanx [01:46] OffGridOps, try using 'unity --reset' [01:46] I think Unity 5.8 broke compatibility with previous compiz profiles. [01:47] 'There are some upgrade known issues for system installed before precise. On first boot, you will loose your compiz settings and can end up in a session with just the wallpaper, no interface. In that case, just logout/login again (rebooting eventually) and the next login will be fine. ' In the Beta2 Release Notes [01:49] I have it locked up and then then had to ctrl c: nothing seems to work. [01:49] when i log in i select the gnome, but regardless NO setting brings it up. my cairo dock doesnt work anymore either and i cant select it so maybe its a bad installl? [01:50] What is not working and what are you using right now? [01:50] one sec and ill type the list [01:53] everything works except cairo dock (although installed) and unity itself [01:54] i can access everything through gnome as well [01:54] except activating cairo [01:56] As to the beta release notes logging in and out soft/hard boot does nothing. i have sudo apt get upgrade update etc [01:57] Did you try running the command 'unity --reset'? [02:07] Sorry got cut off. [02:07] Other things that happen are when I close the lid and try to resurrect the system it is a blank black screen with the cursor only [02:08] my launchpad acct is the same as my id here and the upgrade triggered half a dozen bugs [02:09] the only thing i really have issue with is no unity ;) not that i really like it but if it's not there it seems to me that something is broke somewhere (maybe wrong thinking) [02:12] hello [02:13] hi === Zoffix_ is now known as Zoffix [02:13] im having a couple of problems with 12.04 [02:14] Join the club. [02:14] lol [02:15] ;) [02:15] i take it everyone i having problems then [02:15] Well, it *is* still a beta :) [02:15] preludelinux, probably easiest to just start asking as thats what i do and get LOTS of help! [02:16] great crew in here [02:16] beta in linux is still better then most software [02:16] well i had problems with install and the open source nvidia driver with an nvidia 550GTX [02:17] you get a blank screen and hard lock [02:18] * Zoffix has no idea how to fix that... *goes to watch TV* [02:18] my latest problem is no display manager loading during boot [02:18] boot with nomodeset and blacklist the novoue driver [02:20] i have made it past install and installed the nvidia drivers at this point ... only get a display manager if you manually start the service [02:21] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11815508 does this fit your issue? [02:24] that fits the issue i had , i applied that during install and edited the correct files to make grub boot with nomodeset and set video mode too text mode .. and got the system booting ... but only to a command prompt no gui [02:24] you can manually do sudo service lightdm start and get in the gui [02:25] so... you guys probably get this a lot but... is there anyone that could point me to a tutorial that undoes what compiz settings changes I've made? Basically I installed gnome as I really don't like unity, and as I used compiz back in 7.10 I installed it. I clicked on 'use compatibility for gnome' and then my titlebars disappeared [02:25] sooo silly me I used a command I remembered from a couple years ago 'metacity --replace' [02:26] nvidia driver installed and working .... adding any of the display managers leads still to a text with manually needing to launch the display login managers ... [02:26] aaand it hasn't really fixed anything... all I really want now is to get rid of compiz and have gnome back the way it is supposed to be but I'm not sure where to begin. anyone have any experience dealing with this? [02:32] stuntman_dan, i may be wrong here but i remember its something --reset maybe unity --reset or something maybe google it or wait for a coder to answer as i am not one and waiting on an issue of my own [02:33] offgridops would that work in gnome? [02:34] or would that just be for unity [02:35] i really dont know [02:36] i can't get unity to load so i have no clue [02:37] thats not bad ( not getting unity to load ) [02:40] yeah it might not for some but it worries me as this is a basic function type program and it makes me wonder what else is broke [02:40] verything in gnome works [02:40] *every [02:40] i have googled everything and NOTHING comes up w/an issue like no unity [02:42] typing that #sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer returns this ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916897/ [02:43] please help [02:44] hey guys, anyone know how to launcher icons that I've placed on the bottom bar of gnome? if I right click it the only options I get are launch or properties, and if I drag it somewhere it just makes a copy [02:44] sorry, should have said how to remove** launcher icons [02:51] hello again. where I can get paid support? [02:52] lol y mechanism [02:54] what? I'm bored with this upgrade and dependencies problems and noone can't help. My pc running for weeks for now and noone cares [02:54] oh whats going on ? [02:55] I can't upgrade my system coz grub-pc requires grub-pc-bin with version older than I'm already have [02:55] mechanism support might be slow now but come the end of the month when 12.04 support moves over to the main #ubuntu channel I think you'll have a little more luck! [02:56] hopefully with not all the bugs [02:56] after I'm saying 12.04 everyone says ubuntu+1 so noone is wants to deal with 12.04 in #ubuntu [02:57] typing that #sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer returns this ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/916897/ [02:58] hmm is that because the installer is not a .deb [02:59] you could always try to manual install it [02:59] how can installer be not deb if it's via apt? [02:59] demonboy I have special ppa for sun-java packages [03:00] if I'm not wrong package name is sun-java* not oracle-java [03:01] oracle bought out sun recently [03:01] just on a sidenote.. I've been doing some reading and wonder what ppa actually stands for...? [03:01] but package name not changed yet [03:02] !ppa | stuntman_dan [03:02] stuntman_dan: A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [03:02] at least for me [03:02] ah I see [03:02] i need oracle mechanism [03:02] not sun [03:02] manually install ? [03:03] how... i have the tar ball [03:03] I was reading about getting my switchable ati graphics to work and a lot of the people using 11.xx had to try ppas but it seems to work pretty well in 12.04 aside from a few things I have yet to figure out [03:03] but no one wants to tell me how they all say do it via tht command [03:04] demonboy: the free version of java doesn't work for you? [03:06] http://askubuntu.com/questions/56104/how-can-i-install-oracle-java-jre-7 [03:06] there is how you can install it but I would recomend not doing so if you can use the free version === mongo_ is now known as mongo [03:06] now I'm getting debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process I'm opened location and don't see any lock files [03:08] mongo arent u the one tht said to install it via terminal not the tarball? [03:17] anyone able to explain to me how to delete launcher icons in gnome [03:18] if I try to drag it into the trash it just says that it can't be moved to the trash, but I can delete it. but when I try to delete it it says no such file or directory [03:21] I guess it's saying that because there's nothing in the .config/gnome-panel/launchers directory [03:21] but why would that be? === scialex_ is now known as scialex [03:59] anyone using Gnome Shell with ATI here [03:59] ? [04:00] no sorry. [04:00] after i installed gnustep, i have no option for logging into it in the login menu. [04:02] glosoli, i do use gnome 3 in "old mode" [04:02] ah [04:02] :/ [04:02] so what's going on? [04:03] has anyone here ever used gnustep? [04:04] I don't [04:04] hylian: why do you ask? [04:04] glosoli, well, thanks for the answer. myabe I can help you? [04:05] Riviera, well, i have 12.04 beta installed, and i was thumbing though desktop enivornments and windows managers, and saw gnu step, and thoght I would try it out. after successfully installing though, it does not show up in the login manager screen. [04:06] hylian, don't think so, some problems with Gnome Shell and ati driver for having very high cpu, brb, need to reboot trying some configs... [04:07] hylian: ah, in that case I cannot be much of help. I only used GNUstep briefly to compile Emacs with "nextstep bindings," to see how it looks like, but did not really use GNUstep outside of that experiment :) [04:08] Riviera, am i wrong in believing it is a desktop environment? it sure looks like one... [04:08] hylian: according to the GNUstep guys it appears you are, yes: http://www.gnustep.org/information/aboutGNUstep.html [04:09] hylian: ("GNUstep is not...") [04:09] Riviera, i think i get it. i am tired. i thought it said desktop, not developemtn... my fault [04:10] ah :) [04:10] hylian: IITC there was a GNUstep live CD somewhere, have never tried it, no idea what it "did." [04:10] Riviera, thanks for the help! [04:11] hylian: http://debian.uni-duisburg-essen.de/misc/GNUstep/LiveCD/ [04:11] nah still the same :( 20-40 percent of cpu usage when doing nothing [04:12] I am going to remove gnustep, and then pass out. [04:13] :) [04:14] Hmm [04:14] any of you guys ever used Gnome Shell ? [04:20] yes [04:21] do you experienced lately gnome shell using a lot of cpu ? [04:22] where is the launchpad page for kernel bugs for 12.04, for the live of me launchpad UI has gotten so bad I can't find it. [04:22] gnome shell usually runs 1,000 times better then unity [04:23] preludelinux, yep, but dunno why, maybe it's the updates or something it using FGLRX drives, causes me very high CPU usage [04:23] ati card ? [04:24] yes [04:24] it was fine before [04:24] afaik [04:24] open drivers or closed drivers ? [04:24] proprietary [04:24] :) [04:25] maybe the driver got updated ? [04:25] might be [04:25] ati cards tend to give problems with any of the eye candy from time to time [04:26] doooh.. anyway maybe [04:26] updates will fix it [04:26] or something [04:26] I don't want go back to Unity [04:27] no one wants it ..... [04:28] it's fine, just compiz is not that good, [04:28] im about to have all my user base complain cry and go back to windows [04:28] tried going back to linux yesterday [04:28] didin't last more than 6 hours [04:28] after going back to Ubuntu [04:29] gtg bye :) [04:30] I rmemeber when lauchpad was a little intuitive system that was easy to use. [04:31] now it's worse than fucking bugzilla. [04:35] sounds about right [04:43] hi. rt73usb driver won't work well with power management enabled, and IIRC it breaks the pm script. so, how do I disable the power management when I connect the device? === ThomasBoxley_ is now known as ThomasBoxley\ === ThomasBoxley\ is now known as ThomasBoxley [05:23] the touchpad cursos jumps :/ [05:46] !info kazam [05:46] kazam (source: kazam): Easy to use application for recording on-screen action. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 94 kB, installed size 824 kB [06:10] Did gnome 3.4 end up comming in 12.04? [06:19] will someome help me i been playin around with the terminal and jre tar ball i think i got it installed but how do i make my browser see it? [06:20] # jave -version ----> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_03-b04) [06:21] im not sure if thts it but i did have the jre-7u3 [06:21] install tar.gz file [06:28] !info kazam [06:28] kazam (source: kazam): Easy to use application for recording on-screen action. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 94 kB, installed size 824 kB [06:28] cool isnt it [06:29] 824kB! zomg! [06:29] :)) [06:29] :p [06:44] ubuntu 12.04 seems a little more refined the videos and pictures only thing i can see wrong with 12.04 is mouse pointer fades in and out during video play [06:47] when does ubuntu server come out of beta? [06:47] hi.. i am using gnome classic and i cannot do alt-tab anymore after upgrading to +1 [06:49] i'm using gnome unity and my alt-tab works fine [06:50] !release [06:50] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [06:50] maybe it is because i have a bluetooth keyboard [06:51] anyone else having problems with the mouse pointer fading in and out watching a video or tv [06:51] jaypro: ^^ [06:52] my tab key works, and my alt key works, but alt-tab does not [06:53] idk osirisx11 maybe someone left it out for gnome classic gnome unity it works fine for me [06:54] no thank you, i don't care for unity [06:55] can't say i blame ya osirisx11 but i like it for some reason [06:56] unity is designed for touch screen right? [06:57] interestingly inside the keyboard settings / shortcuts tab, alt-tab is listed for switch applications, and i re-set it to alt-tab with no problems, so the OS sees it fine [06:57] it just is ignoring the request [06:58] ctrl+super+d hides all windows as intended [07:02] they seem to be asleep hopefully someone is watching our posts to correct issues [07:32] sometimes i get a windows that doesn't go away and is all gray, small rectangle on top left of my screen [07:55] hi all, just updated my kubuntu precise, now after I enter my credentials at the login screen and press enter I go to a black screen [07:58] georgelappies : what happens if you login via console ? [08:00] phani2: i can login then, I pressed 'ctrl + alt + f1' and login [08:00] then I 'sudo service kdm restart' [08:01] it restarts fine no problems, but as soon as I enter my details and press enter to login into KDE it looks like it wants to starts loading but then only shows black screen [08:02] if you can login via console , can you get me the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log file or .xsession-errors ? [08:02] so system it self is running, problem is with KDE login somewhere. I used 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old' [08:03] sure, X starts fine though [08:04] will get it to you, just need to reboot as it is on this same laptop and I am in win7 atm :( [08:04] unless you can point me to ext4 drivers for win7 64bit:) [08:06] how do you install ubuntu onto an imac? [08:06] the official instructions dont appear to work ;) [08:06] trying to get it to load off usb [08:15] tried from os x.. it said.. the device is unaccessible [08:15] tried usb creator under linux, the mac can access it.. but wont see it when it when i hold alt during boot [08:15] now im trying lili from windows :/ [08:19] so the 64bit install should work on macs? [08:20] phani2: here you go with .xsession-errors http://pastebin.com/VV44XCks [08:22] phani2: here is the Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/1A7Mxtfp [08:23] phani2: all was working 100% until I did the updates just now... [08:24] last updated last night, about 10 hours back before this update [08:24] ok i am looking into the log [08:25] When I installed Gnome Shell my max min close buttons went to right in any windows, [08:25] how to restore them to left ? [08:43] LOL [08:43] turns out its a core duo mac.. not a core 2 duo mac.. meaning its 32bit :/ [08:43] finally got it to boot the usb stick by using reFit [08:43] then says.. your cpu cant run x86_64.. fail :p [08:50] hi [08:50] any way to manage unity fonts? [09:29] Hello. I have troubles installing ttf-mscorefonts-installer ... it hangs when trying to download the fonts. No URL works just hangs in 'HTTP request sent, waiting for response..." Any ideas? [09:35] does rsync work for the daily images as well? [09:36] is there a way to uninstall the last installed updates? [09:38] georgelappies: there is a very painful way that involves calling dpkg on earlier versions by hand [09:38] can someone tell me why i keep looking my title bar on my programs like folder and ftp ,... they keep disapearing and i cant move them,....? [09:39] siretart: damn cause after the update this morning I cannot boot into KDE anymore on kubuntu with precise :( [09:40] and i just downloaded the ubuntu-alternate daily ISO but checking the disk gives errors and I am windows 7 with limited bandwith [09:40] so I cannot download it again [09:41] i installed cwrsync in windows but it gives me this error when trying to rsync [09:42] ssh could not resolve hostname :( [09:44] why system language is in English(UK) and I can't change it to US ? [09:44] you can change it in system steetings [09:44] seems like I can't [09:45] i thinkwith gnome tweak [09:45] pure gnome tweak depends on Gnome Shell. [09:47] and its not in the system language settings [09:47] ? [09:47] well in language settings there is ENGLISH in list which I can't choose [09:48] might be a bug [09:51] yeah czuse thats where i chose it i think [09:52] glosoli: it's a drag list [09:52] not an option list [09:52] glosoli: drag the languages in the order you prefer [09:53] ouh [09:53] I feel so stupid now [09:53] :) [09:53] don't worry, took me ten minutes to read the small print too [09:53] thanks anyway, I remember it being option list before ? [09:56] can someone tell me why i keep loosing my title bar on my programs like folder and ftp ,... they keep disapearing and i cant move them,....? [09:58] why is this rsync not working??? C:\ubunut_rsync>rsync -v "rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20120405/precise-alternate-amd64.iso" precise-alternate-amd64.iso [09:59] it gives error: @ERROR: Unknown module 'daily' [09:59] rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1503) [receiver=3.0.6] [10:08] hi all [10:09] it seems APPMENU_DISPLAY_BOTH=1 does not work anymore in precise. I really liked that... [10:13] vhdirk, what does it do? [10:14] georgelappies, @ERROR: Unknown module 'daily' [10:14] georgelappies, that means your syntax for entering the url isn't right [10:14] cause that word is out of the url [10:15] sciences: it just ignores it and puts the menubar in the panel [10:18] the thing is: I don't really want the globalmenu. I'd much rather have each application having its own titlebar and menu. Displaying the appmenu twice was a something I used since I cannot get rid of the applications min/max/close button in the panel [10:19] even better would be that I can discard this global menu/applets thing altogether, but that seems even less possible [10:29] how do i close a program withought a tittle bar ,...? [10:29] or move them [10:30] apititude? [10:31] or apt-get? [10:32] In CompizConfig-Settings-Manager there is OpenGL plugin and option for: Texture Filter [10:32] which would make the system work faster ? [10:32] Texture Filer: Fast, Good or Best ? [10:38] RedBunny: For moving, try ALT + drag [10:38] For closing, try xkill and click [10:50] hi [10:50] how to disable "F10" shortcut? [10:50] compiz + unity [10:51] FreeRun: what does f10 do? Doesn't seem to do anything [10:52] in my config working as right click of mouse [10:53] i have to disable in gconf any variant of F10 shortcut but nothing happens [10:54] FreeRun: maybe this helps? http://askubuntu.com/questions/37313/how-do-i-deactivate-f1-and-f10-keybindings [11:01] oh I found this help now for F10 / mc in gnome-terminal. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1017546#p1017546 works great ;) [11:13] first solution don't work... and i'm checking second [11:13] 12.04 upgrade from 11.10: Been having weird stuff go one. Posted a bunch in here and launchpad (same name). Hoping someone familiar with Unity (the left vertical menu bar) is in here [11:15] so no unity (i guess that's what its called it starts with the dash search square and goes to the trash), system crashes to black screen if i close my laptop cover and cairo will not run [11:15] i have fired it up in ubuntu, ubuntu 2d, gnome without and gnome with. the cairo options are just blank white circles [11:15] should i consider a new install? thanx [11:20] FreeRun: see my link that works [11:20] FreeRun: you have to close all gnome-terminal windows after! [11:26] strangely enough if I do ps -auxw the console locks up, ctrl-c ctrl-d nothing seems to work [11:28] whether I do it in a vt on xwindows or a vt on alt-f1 [11:31] re [11:31] second solution also do't works [11:32] Is there a more appropriate IRC to ask the questions? I don't code a lot so I really didn't know. Thanx! [11:33] top works fine only ps freezes up [11:34] FreeRun: are we talking about the same thing? F10 in gnome-terminal brings up same menu as right mouse button does? [11:47] nvm it was a temporary thingy [11:49] aah cool, finaly came right with cygwin and zsync! [11:49] * penguin42 yaaawwwwnnnns - was up til 3.30am debootstrapping my dads machine [11:49] ive had such weirdness with cygwin in the past.. [11:59] hum [12:13] the alternate-cd can install from usb right? [12:17] will 12.04 have gnome-shell and cinnamon as options or at least access to them in ppa? [12:17] sacarlson: gnome-shell is there [12:17] penguin42: cool good enuf [12:18] sacarlson: There is a ppa for cinnamon, I don't see one for precise yet, but I suspect it'll arrive, and for added goodness MATE (aka Gnome2ish) is availalbe in a repo for 12.04 [12:19] penguin42: oh mate I have seen that before never tried it and that's more what I like the gnome2ish thing [12:19] sacarlson: seems to work [12:20]