[02:00] <mimcpher> azend: Wayland is available in 12.04!  It's really not ready yet, though.
[02:00] <mimcpher> I'm going to spend some of my free time this summer working on Wayland
[02:01] <azend> Yeah I heard that
[02:01] <azend> I'm just more surprise that there hasn't been more talk about it lately
 I'm going to spend some of my free time this summer working on Wayland
[02:02] <azend> awesome
[02:08] <johanbr> azend, I don't think Wayland is even close to being ready for replacing xorg
[02:09] <azend> johanbr: I'm sure it isn't
[02:09] <azend> that's why I haven't tested it out yet
[02:16] <mimcpher> GTK3 stuff is starting to work on it.
[02:16] <mimcpher> Get Firefox, a decent terminal emulator, and a PDF viewer? Then I'm 80% of the way ready to switch.
[03:43] <trifolio6> hola
[04:20] <DarwinSu1vivor> anyone know if they've changed their mind about supporting remote-x? That's a no-go feature requirement on my end.
[04:23] <mimcpher> What do you mean by supporting remote-X?  They want some remote protocol, but it won't be X.
[04:23] <mimcpher> Supporting X as a remote protocol would just be dumb.
[04:24] <mimcpher> The whole point of the project is to kill X with fire: It makes a bad local display because of too many layers of indirection, and it makes a bad remote protocol because it's performance sucks.
[04:26] <DarwinSu1vivor> mimcpher: if it's not compatible with X, it's going to take a LONG time to catch on, event if Canonical pushes it.
[04:26] <mimcpher> DarwinSu1vivor: you can run X on top of wayland for compat purposes, locally.
[04:26] <DarwinSu1vivor> The only workaround I've seen so far resembles RDP which is NOT a solution
[04:27] <mimcpher> Remoteness hasn't been solved, but it's not at that stage.
[04:28] <DarwinSu1vivor> at this point remote-x is a very well established standard. even the n810 can run apps from remote machines (though not in revers oddly enough)
[04:30] <mimcpher> It can do VNC too!
[04:37] <mimcpher> Arguably even better established.
[04:38] <mimcpher> not that VNC is particularily good -- it's a pretty naive protocol.
[04:50] <DarwinSu1vivor> vnc is not much better than rdp. I don't want to view the entire desktop to run 1 applications.
[04:51] <DarwinSu1vivor> brb
[05:25] <mimcpher> Well, vnc is worse than rdp in most ways :P
[05:25] <mimcpher> Viewing the entire desktop versus individual apps is an orthogonal, implementation-dependent problem though.
[05:26] <DarwinSurvivor> I *much* prefer individual apps over entire desktops. uses less bandwidth and allows me to use MY window manager :D
[05:27] <mimcpher> Right, but that's completely seperate issue.  You can have a VNC client that only forwards 1 app
[05:27] <mimcpher> Anyways, this is a silly theoretical argument since nobody's made a wayland remote server yet :P
[05:29] <DarwinSurvivor> lol, very true
[05:29] <DarwinSurvivor> and also one of the reasons I'm not holding my breath for it.
[05:29] <DarwinSurvivor> :P