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snap-lseriously?00:11
Blazeixi don't know about you guys, but the "verified secure" with the reflection photoshop filter convinced me fo' sures00:12
rick_hhah00:12
snap-lThey don't use https either00:13
snap-lFAIL00:13
snap-lhttp://ismycreditcardstolen.com/check.html?00:14
snap-lI typed in all 0s just to see what would happen00:14
rick_hbah, backup drive is running out of space...00:14
snap-lI lvoe how I have to essentiall agree to Oracle's stupid license every time I upgrade Virtualbox00:15
rick_hgo gigabit networking!00:35
rick_hnow if only I could get a usb disk of the beta working I'd be set for reinstall tomorrow00:35
Blazeixrick_h: i'm installing the ubuntu beta off of usb right now. you mean getting the iso on a flash drive?00:50
Blazeixi just used `dd if=precise-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb`00:56
Blazeixof course, don't just use "/dev/sdb" :)00:56
rick_hBlazeix: ah, I'll hvae to try that then. I've only used the usb-creator bu tit hates me01:23
rick_hbah, hard to time with laggy nets01:23
Blazeixok, I give up. I consider myself a fairly competent linux user, but I cannot figure out how to install gtk themes in unity02:17
Blazeixi copy the theme to /usr/share/themes/ , but it doesn't show up in ubuntu's 'appearance' settings02:18
rick_hanyone have anything bad to say on samsung HD? Seems rated highly of the bunch02:18
rick_hBlazeix: probably need some gconf setting02:19
Blazeixyikes, really? you're locked into the two themes ubuntu provides?02:20
Blazeixwell, for certain values of "locked"02:20
rick_hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlcMxoErfz8 is a bit crazy but says to drop them in .themes02:20
Blazeixoh, you have to install gnome-tweak-tool02:21
BlazeixI thought that was a gnome-shell thing only02:21
rick_hbah, ok nas ordered...will finally be backup happy hopefully02:23
Blazeixok, 'myunity' is an awesome program for configuring unity.03:13
Blazeixstill no love for gtk3 themes, but most of them seem broken for 12.04 anyway. but it's beta, so it's expected.03:13
rick_hmorning11:01
brouschthere is an ad embedded in a slashdot article in my RSS feed. it says "Earn a bible Degree!"12:25
snap-lbrousch: Targeted12:29
rick_hkeep meaning to go back to school12:29
brouschit just seems really strange. i mean, how many slashdotters would have an interest in a bible degree?12:30
snap-lbrousch: I think you might be surprised12:33
brouschi can recall a handful of pro-religeon comments on there in the last decade12:33
brouschnot that i read all of the comments12:33
brouschi guess they could get downvoted below my threshold12:34
snap-lNote to self: when wife has to go to work, it is best to set the coffeepot the night before when you don't.12:39
snap-lbrousch: Yo could also have extremely high mental filters for religion12:40
snap-lbeing in the heart of Michigan's Bible Belt.12:40
snap-lAnd don't deny it. Holland has more churches than 7-11s12:40
brouschi am quite sensitive to it12:42
brouschbeing an atheist in Michigan's Bible Belt12:42
brouschah, crap. the local star wars guild is going to be at the GR public library tomorrow. i was hoping we could get in without a crowd. apparently they had a segment on the news last night12:44
brouschnow it will be a zoo12:44
rick_hstar wars guild?12:44
snap-lbrousch: context?12:44
brouschthere are star wars guilds where members have authenitic-looking costumes. they go to parades and events and such12:45
brouschthey are having an event at the GRPL tomorrow12:45
snap-lAh, OK12:45
snap-lSadly, if you had called it the 501st battalion, I think I might have known12:46
brouschheh12:46
brouschi forgot the number12:46
snap-lhttp://www.501st.com/about_us.htm12:46
snap-lhttp://www.greatlakesgarrison.com/12:48
snap-lTheir logo is awesome12:48
brouschyeah, that's how i found the event12:49
brouschso i kept quiet so it wouldn't draw a crowd12:49
snap-lbrousch: I'm pretty sure it won't have that big of a crowd12:49
snap-ltrust me on this12:49
brouschthey had a star wars night at a hockey game12:50
brouschit was busy12:50
snap-lThat's because it was a hockey game12:50
brouschoh, the GRPL is about 200ft from the GR children's museum12:51
brouschso that will draw snot-nosed crowds12:51
jrwrenTIL: http://giagio.com/wiki/moin.cgi/iPhoneEthernetDriver13:49
jrwren TIL: http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ is not vserver but more like inverse vserver14:09
rick_hheh, interesting14:10
jrwrenhttps://gist.github.com/2320652  :[15:07
brouschthat doesn't look good15:08
jrwrenmy disk failing15:10
jrwreni htink its been happening for a yr now :(15:11
jrwrenmaybe longer.15:11
jrwreni wonder if i have logs going back that far.15:11
jrwrenprobably not. logrotate delets.15:11
brouschwhat log is that?15:11
jrwrensyslog15:19
jrwrenbut its from kernel :(15:19
jrwrendmesg even15:19
jrwren<3 tmux break-pain and jion-pain ftw15:22
rick_hpane?15:23
rick_hor is it painful?15:24
brouschjoint pain? there's a salve for that15:25
jrwrenyes, pane, lol.15:32
rick_hwheee, reinstall time...reinstall time...download all those packages15:47
rick_hat least now I'm building a makefile from my install docs so the number of commands is getting fewer and fewer15:48
rick_hugh, this 620Kb/s download is not optimal15:48
jrwreni was listening to ruby5 today15:49
jrwrenit occured to me that the asset pipeline is nice and that I'd like a django equiv. anyone know of one?15:50
jrwrenor if there is a pyramid one, lemme know so I can port to django15:50
brouschasset pipeline?15:50
jrwrenhttp://guides.rubyonrails.org/asset_pipeline.html15:52
rick_hyea, there's a django one15:53
rick_hsec, trying to recall, written by jriddel I think15:53
jrwrendjango-pipeline ?15:54
rick_hsorry, jezdez https://github.com/jezdez/django_compressor is what I'm thinking of15:54
rick_hnot completely the same15:54
jrwrendjango-pipeline looks good on 10-sec inspection15:54
rick_hcool15:56
greg-gsnap-l: good choice on archive.org hosting16:25
jrwrensnap-l: do you like epics?16:35
jrwrenerr..16:36
jrwrenEpica16:36
jrwrenhttp://www.progpowerusa.com/  <-- they are coming to US16:36
jrwrenbut I don't know if I want to go to taht.16:36
jcastrorick_h: what you don't have a local proxy to cache your debs?17:30
jcastroSUCK17:30
jrwrennot sure why anyone would ever full reinstall.17:31
jrwrenupgrade FTW17:31
jrwren:)17:31
jcastrospend some time helping plumbing developers find bugs and sometimes things just go bad.17:31
jcastrobut for that I have different "levels" of computers17:31
rick_hjcastro: no, I should at some point17:32
rick_hjrwren: I consider it cleaning time, get to dump projects I've checked out and not gone with, apps I've tested, etc17:32
rick_h32379017:32
jrwrenrm -rf does that for me.17:32
rick_hjcastro: I do have a local pypi server for my python stuff though :)17:32
jrwrenor actually... i never do that :)17:32
jrwrenI have built deb srcs from 5+ yrs ago in my homedir, LOL17:33
rick_hand each install my install process gets better and better17:33
rick_hyea, I dont care for that17:33
rick_hand the couple of times I've tried upgrades...ugh17:33
rick_hwith the new makefile 80% of the install is a make command away and an hour/two of download/installing17:33
jcastrotldr, squid-deb-proxy on one machine, whatever server in your house17:34
jcastrosquid-deb-proxy-client on all your clients17:34
jcastrodone, all zeroconffed automatically17:34
jrwren*nod*17:34
rick_hjcastro: cool, will have to look at that.17:34
jcastrohttp://askubuntu.com/questions/3503/best-way-to-cache-apt-downloads-on-a-lan17:34
jcastroeasy17:34
jrwreni just need squid-deb-proxy-client to be default on install :)17:34
jcastrome too. :)17:34
jcastrorick_h: here's my set up: https://plus.google.com/photos/116015965439782966698/albums/5151703723278681249/571992552467700957017:36
rick_hheh, just a few machines eh?17:36
jcastroI suspect you're similar17:36
rick_hjcastro: you have a nas?17:36
jcastronot in the pic17:37
rick_hjcastro: meh, down to desktop, laptop, netbook 'server' and soon to be nas17:37
jcastrobut yeah, 6tb ubuntu server w/NFS/SMB17:37
dzhojcastro: so you work standing at the "everyday" stations?17:37
rick_hthe nas conversation at work finally got me to order one17:37
jrwreni should take a pic of my setup.17:37
jrwrencuz its so tiny17:37
jcastrodzho: I just took down the standing thing actually17:37
dzhohuh17:37
jcastroit was causing me mild sciatica17:37
jcastrowhich I am finishing up physical therapy for today17:38
jrwren?17:38
jcastrobasically I went full time standing too early17:38
rick_hjcastro: motorized ftw17:38
dzhoon my list of very low priority things would be to get some sort of spring-loaded adjustable workstand17:38
jrwreni miss my standing desk.17:38
rick_hI go back/forth twice a day17:38
jcastroand my beer belly + lack of muscles in back = bummer17:38
jrwrennew job is all sitting17:38
rick_hand can do more/less as I feel that day17:38
jcastroyeah, I need a motorized one17:38
jrwrenbut we do have treadmill workstations17:38
dzhojcastro: too early, as in, you need to lose some weight and gain some strength first?17:38
dzhoor, too young?17:39
rick_hit takes time to adjust17:39
* dzho scratches his head17:39
rick_hwhen I started I'd only do 2hrs standing a day17:39
rick_hand worked up to 50/50 split17:39
jcastrodzho: ^^^ that17:39
* dzho reads with interest17:39
jcastrobasically, I should have had more part time standing17:39
jcastroas opposed to "oh I think I'll start off with my 12 hour days standing up."17:39
dzhoah17:39
jcastro"lol why is my back messed up!?!?"17:39
rick_hjcastro: I started out hitting the tall tables at the coffee shop to start17:39
rick_hdoing an hour there17:39
jcastroindeed17:39
dzhothis is giving me an idea17:40
jrwreni adjusted pretty quick.17:40
jrwrenfirst 2 weeks my legs and feet were TIRED17:40
dzhothere's a coffee place across the quad that has a high counter17:40
jrwrenbut after taht I was fine.17:40
jcastrojrwren: yeah I think if I would have done more ramp up I would have been fine17:40
jcastroI plan on going back to it17:40
jcastrojust going to chill for a bit on my butt for a while though17:40
* dzho wonders about getting a floor mat that could be rolled up, a little like you see folks carrying around their yoga mats17:40
dzhomy current changearound is to use the kneeling chair a little bit17:41
snap-lgreg-g: Thanks. I think it's going to work out18:29
snap-ljrwren: Haven't listened to a lot of Epica.18:37
snap-lI should really get a NAS18:43
snap-lthough my desktop is pretty much my NAS18:43
rick_hyea, I kept putting it off, but my external usb disks are runningout of space, had to do some cleaning up to do my backup for this fresh install18:46
rick_hso figured I either need to get bigger disks or break down and NAS it up18:46
rick_hand if I do the NAS it supports some better auto backup stuff18:46
* brousch is a little afraid of how far rick_h will take his NAS18:48
rick_hwell it does have a web server in it, so think I'll work on pushing my rst docs to it in html form :)18:57
rick_hbut I'm proud, I didn't get the 4 disk super NAS I originally was looking at18:58
rick_hcould buy a laptop for as much as the things run18:58
snap-lrick_h: I'm surprised you weren't getting a Drobo. ;)18:58
rick_hdrobos suck18:58
rick_hhttp://www.amazon.com/Qnap-Network-Storage-Server-TS-419PII-US/dp/B005PP8J76/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1333738721&sr=8-518:58
rick_his what I originally wanted18:58
rick_hhttp://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Attached-DS411J/dp/B0049MPQGS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1333738713&sr=8-2 was tempting18:59
* snap-l wold hate to be in the same room with rick_h and Mac Break Weekly hosts.18:59
rick_hhttp://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Network-Attached/dp/B005YW7OLM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1333738767&sr=1-1 I settled for18:59
rick_hwhy is this? what does mac break weekly folks say?18:59
snap-lThey like their Drobos, they love their macs.19:00
snap-lIt's like the Anti-rick_h19:00
rick_hwell they're idiots. Lots of documented issues with the drobo special file system. Performance goes to shit, lose data...I don't know how they're still in business19:00
rick_hget a box with a real FS and real raid19:01
brouschi was expecting a full rack full of disks and a 24 hour UPS19:01
rick_hbrousch: yea, no so much19:02
rick_hwant osmehting I can put on the rack shelf and be small/not deal with19:02
brouschdo it right!19:02
* snap-l is surprised you didn't build one from scratch19:03
brouschwhat's the utility to find the fastest repo mirror?19:03
rick_hsnap-l: I've done that before, it's why I have that desktop. I was setting up 4 sata disks in software raid19:04
rick_hbut doing software upgades, etc main it a pain to maintain19:04
rick_hthat and issues getting boot right with 6 sata devices and moving /dev/sdX19:04
rick_hbut really, search drobo file corruption and enjoy your afternoon19:05
jcastrobrousch: http://askubuntu.com/questions/39922/how-do-you-select-the-fastest-mirror-from-the-command-line19:12
jcastrobrousch: for the desktop it's in the software sources thing19:12
jcastrorick_h: I want that nice synology or qnap next19:12
brouschjcastro: thanks. it's a question on the GRLUG mailing list19:12
jcastrothe drobos fail at pretty common tasks, they suck19:12
jcastrobrousch: add this one then: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me19:13
greg-gyeah, roommate has a drobo, it sucks19:13
greg-gso. slow.19:14
jcastroyou can't even like, stream a movie on it over gigabit19:14
jcastroit's like, half the reason for getting a NAS19:14
snap-lYeah, actually I wouldn't get a Drobo19:38
snap-lI was just kidding19:38
jrwrensnap-l: you should not get a NAS19:44
jrwrencertainly not a Qnap19:44
jrwrensynology is OK19:44
jrwrenDrobos are absolute shit.19:45
jrwrenDrobos can't even push 1Gbit. they are useless for any real work.19:45
jrwrendrobo is still in business because of lots of advertising :)19:45
* jrwren finishes reading backlog before repeating everything rick_h says19:46
greg-gjrwren: almost too late19:48
jrwrendisagree with rich_h about maintenance though.19:49
jrwrensudo apt-get install unattended-upgrades19:49
jrwrendone19:49
greg-gdo any of those nas's allow you to add on external storage via usb/sata?19:56
greg-git isn't apparent via amazon19:56
rick_hgreg-g: yes, the synology has usb and esata out I think19:57
* greg-g is on call, sorry for lazyirc19:57
snap-llazy IRC20:03
jrwrenI like to run my own linux on my homebuilt nas for the same reason I like to run linux on my server and not buy some server appliance: at some point I'm going to want to do something with it that the vendor does not support or enable.20:04
rick_hyea, but I want to split up my backups/critical stuff vs real server stuff. I've got servers for running that20:05
greg-gbut real servers on the same lan?20:08
rick_hwell I've got my desktop and my netbook running server stuff20:10
rick_hso my netbook is my pypi cache, desktop runs a couple of things20:11
rick_hbut I've got 2 ec2 servers that bookie and such runs on that I setup real server things20:11
rick_hso really, I just want a better/more powerful usb storage and the nas fits that better20:11
rick_hthough I should just shutdown and give away the netbook20:13
jrwrenyup20:27
jrwreni run everything on 1 server.20:27
jrwrenbut I gess I'm ghetto like that20:27
jrwrendate +%s20:30
jrwrenwe are at 13337..... seconds for a while longer20:30
greg-gnice20:32
brouschok, this is col http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40496552/awwation-intro.svg#1920:46
greg-gnot working here20:51
brouschget a real browser20:53
jrwrenhow can I zoom out?20:56
jrwrenoh, enable script20:57
greg-gbrousch: Fx 13 not good enough for you?21:00
brouschChrome is the only real browser21:00
greg-gfuck that21:00
jrwreni'm on fx13, it worked perfectly21:00
greg-gsorry, I reserve my comments on Chrome since I know many of you in here are Chrome fanbois21:00
greg-gjrwren: huh, werid21:00
jrwren13.0a2 (2012-04-05)21:00
greg-gmust just be me :)21:00
greg-g13.0a2 (2012-03-30)21:01
greg-gI guess I'm 6 days behind21:01
jrwreni don't think that is the reason21:01
greg-g:)21:02
greg-gme neither21:02
brousch:P21:02
brouschi'm really neutral on FF or Chrome. i use chrome more frequently because i have more reliable bookmark sync on it21:03
jrwrenFF > Chrome because it does not ship with flash21:04
jcastroChrome here, but trying to come back to FF due to chrome being buggier for me lately21:04
greg-galso, from what Tom Calloway (at RH/Fedora) says Chromium also ships with crap tons of modified libraries in the tarball21:04
greg-ghe hates "packagin" it21:05
jcastroWell, I said Chrome not Chromium. :)21:05
jcastro"Chromium" isn't really an end product21:05
jcastrothey don't release tarballs or anything like that21:05
greg-gwhat is the diff, really, between chrome/chromium?21:06
jcastropeople just grab the branch the last stable chrome released from21:06
jrwrenwtf, osx lion support dyndns OOTB. that is werid21:06
jcastrohttp://askubuntu.com/questions/6253/whats-the-difference-between-google-chrome-and-or-chromium-what-are-the-advant21:06
jcastrogreg-g: I hope that's enough detail for you, it's one of my awesomest answers21:06
jrwrenmodified libraries?21:07
jrwrenas in THEIR version of libpng? etc?21:07
greg-gjrwren: well, with patchs not sent/incorporated upstream, yeah21:08
greg-gnot all libraries, but some aparently21:08
jrwrenright.21:09
jrwrenjcastro: why aren't you in the list? http://askubuntu.com/users ?21:09
jrwrenyou'd be #221:09
jcastrojrwren: click on "All"21:09
jrwrenoh nevermind. I was on WEEK instad of ALL21:09
jcastroI am 7th now, but that's because I usually bounty most of my rep21:09
greg-ghe is, search for "jorge"21:09
greg-g-60721:09
jcastroheh21:10
jrwrenoh i was on YEAR21:10
jcastroit's harder to give it away than to earn it surprisingly21:10
jcastrobut I dominate on badges21:10
jcastro30 gold baby21:10
jjessehow much time a day do you spend there?21:10
jcastroonly  like 95 less than jon skeet21:10
jcastrojjesse: not as much anymore, but most of last cycle, an hour before work, most of lunch, and an hour after work21:11
jcastro+ whenever jill worked late, so ..... a lot.21:11
jjessewow21:11
jrwrenyou ARE the Jon Skeet of askubuntu :)21:11
jcastroskeet is not human21:12
jcastrohe's geometrically more productive21:12
jrwrenyes21:12
jjessesorry dumb question who is jon skeet?21:12
jrwrenalthough I suggest that skeet's expertise is thinner.21:12
jrwrenC# is a much smaller topic than all of ubuntu21:12
jrwreneven C# and .NET is a much smaller subject than everything that could come up on askubuntu21:13
jrwrenjjesse: jon skeet is the stackoverflow user with the highest rep.21:13
jrwrenhe is also author of one of the best C# books out there.21:13
jcastromost of my stuff comes from edits though21:13
jcastroI don't earn rep for answers that much compared to most.21:13
jcastroI just usually keep improving an answer over time until it's decent21:14
jcastrolike that Chrome one was done over time, etc.21:14
jjessewow 425k?21:14
jrwrenhe also joined at the very beginning and never really took a break.21:16
jrwrenso that is waht? 6 yrs?21:16
jcastroyeah21:16
jjessewow21:16
jcastroand he literally wrote the book on C#21:16
jrwrennah, A book.21:17
jrwrennot THE book21:17
jcastroheh21:17
jrwrenMads Torgensen wrote THE book21:17
jrwrenand by "The Book" I mean the C# Language Specification21:17
jcastrostill though, SO dwarfs everything: http://stackexchange.com/sites#traffic21:17
jrwrenyup21:17
jcastrothough we were head of Gaming in traffic until they started running a contest21:17
jcastrowe passed serverfault trafficwise last release, so I am hoping we can pass them and stay past them with 12.0421:18
jrwreni'm surprised they are that big.21:18
jcastroit's a good site, lots of questions with games21:18
jcastro"what's the purpose of the blue thing on this level?" etc.21:19
jrwrenhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/119534/easiest-way-to-setup-ubuntu-as-a-vpn-server/119545#119545   you've got me answering questions now :p21:24
jrwreni mean I'm surprised that ALL those sites are that big. askubuntu, serverfault, superuser.  They all seem to dwarf stackoverflow, but in that graphic it looked like they were not much smaller.21:25
jrwrenmaybe its a logrithmic scale infograph :p21:25
jrwrencurse you jorge... i'm wasting my time on askubuntu! http://askubuntu.com/questions/118291/ubuntu-kvm-networking/119549#11954921:41
snap-lnow if it only interfaced with my launchpad karma. ;)21:48
greg-ganswers.launchpad.net should just redirect to askubuntu21:51
snap-lYes21:55

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