[00:11] <snap-l> seriously?
[00:12] <Blazeix> i don't know about you guys, but the "verified secure" with the reflection photoshop filter convinced me fo' sures
[00:12] <rick_h> hah
[00:13] <snap-l> They don't use https either
[00:13] <snap-l> FAIL
[00:14] <snap-l> http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/check.html?
[00:14] <snap-l> I typed in all 0s just to see what would happen
[00:14] <rick_h> bah, backup drive is running out of space...
[00:15] <snap-l> I lvoe how I have to essentiall agree to Oracle's stupid license every time I upgrade Virtualbox
[00:35] <rick_h> go gigabit networking!
[00:35] <rick_h> now if only I could get a usb disk of the beta working I'd be set for reinstall tomorrow
[00:50] <Blazeix> rick_h: i'm installing the ubuntu beta off of usb right now. you mean getting the iso on a flash drive?
[00:56] <Blazeix> i just used `dd if=precise-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb`
[00:56] <Blazeix> of course, don't just use "/dev/sdb" :)
[01:23] <rick_h> Blazeix: ah, I'll hvae to try that then. I've only used the usb-creator bu tit hates me
[01:23] <rick_h> bah, hard to time with laggy nets
[02:17] <Blazeix> ok, I give up. I consider myself a fairly competent linux user, but I cannot figure out how to install gtk themes in unity
[02:18] <Blazeix> i copy the theme to /usr/share/themes/ , but it doesn't show up in ubuntu's 'appearance' settings
[02:18] <rick_h> anyone have anything bad to say on samsung HD? Seems rated highly of the bunch
[02:19] <rick_h> Blazeix: probably need some gconf setting
[02:20] <Blazeix> yikes, really? you're locked into the two themes ubuntu provides?
[02:20] <Blazeix> well, for certain values of "locked"
[02:20] <rick_h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlcMxoErfz8 is a bit crazy but says to drop them in .themes
[02:21] <Blazeix> oh, you have to install gnome-tweak-tool
[02:21] <Blazeix> I thought that was a gnome-shell thing only
[02:23] <rick_h> bah, ok nas ordered...will finally be backup happy hopefully
[03:13] <Blazeix> ok, 'myunity' is an awesome program for configuring unity.
[03:13] <Blazeix> still no love for gtk3 themes, but most of them seem broken for 12.04 anyway. but it's beta, so it's expected.
[11:01] <rick_h> morning
[12:25] <brousch> there is an ad embedded in a slashdot article in my RSS feed. it says "Earn a bible Degree!"
[12:29] <snap-l> brousch: Targeted
[12:29] <rick_h> keep meaning to go back to school
[12:30] <brousch> it just seems really strange. i mean, how many slashdotters would have an interest in a bible degree?
[12:33] <snap-l> brousch: I think you might be surprised
[12:33] <brousch> i can recall a handful of pro-religeon comments on there in the last decade
[12:33] <brousch> not that i read all of the comments
[12:34] <brousch> i guess they could get downvoted below my threshold
[12:39] <snap-l> Note to self: when wife has to go to work, it is best to set the coffeepot the night before when you don't.
[12:40] <snap-l> brousch: Yo could also have extremely high mental filters for religion
[12:40] <snap-l> being in the heart of Michigan's Bible Belt.
[12:40] <snap-l> And don't deny it. Holland has more churches than 7-11s
[12:42] <brousch> i am quite sensitive to it
[12:42] <brousch> being an atheist in Michigan's Bible Belt
[12:44] <brousch> ah, crap. the local star wars guild is going to be at the GR public library tomorrow. i was hoping we could get in without a crowd. apparently they had a segment on the news last night
[12:44] <brousch> now it will be a zoo
[12:44] <rick_h> star wars guild?
[12:44] <snap-l> brousch: context?
[12:45] <brousch> there are star wars guilds where members have authenitic-looking costumes. they go to parades and events and such
[12:45] <brousch> they are having an event at the GRPL tomorrow
[12:45] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[12:46] <snap-l> Sadly, if you had called it the 501st battalion, I think I might have known
[12:46] <brousch> heh
[12:46] <brousch> i forgot the number
[12:46] <snap-l> http://www.501st.com/about_us.htm
[12:48] <snap-l> http://www.greatlakesgarrison.com/
[12:48] <snap-l> Their logo is awesome
[12:49] <brousch> yeah, that's how i found the event
[12:49] <brousch> so i kept quiet so it wouldn't draw a crowd
[12:49] <snap-l> brousch: I'm pretty sure it won't have that big of a crowd
[12:49] <snap-l> trust me on this
[12:50] <brousch> they had a star wars night at a hockey game
[12:50] <brousch> it was busy
[12:50] <snap-l> That's because it was a hockey game
[12:51] <brousch> oh, the GRPL is about 200ft from the GR children's museum
[12:51] <brousch> so that will draw snot-nosed crowds
[13:49] <jrwren> TIL: http://giagio.com/wiki/moin.cgi/iPhoneEthernetDriver
[14:09] <jrwren>  TIL: http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ is not vserver but more like inverse vserver
[14:10] <rick_h> heh, interesting
[15:07] <jrwren> https://gist.github.com/2320652  :[
[15:08] <brousch> that doesn't look good
[15:10] <jrwren> my disk failing
[15:11] <jrwren> i htink its been happening for a yr now :(
[15:11] <jrwren> maybe longer.
[15:11] <jrwren> i wonder if i have logs going back that far.
[15:11] <jrwren> probably not. logrotate delets.
[15:11] <brousch> what log is that?
[15:19] <jrwren> syslog
[15:19] <jrwren> but its from kernel :(
[15:19] <jrwren> dmesg even
[15:22] <jrwren> <3 tmux break-pain and jion-pain ftw
[15:23] <rick_h> pane?
[15:24] <rick_h> or is it painful?
[15:25] <brousch> joint pain? there's a salve for that
[15:32] <jrwren> yes, pane, lol.
[15:47] <rick_h> wheee, reinstall time...reinstall time...download all those packages
[15:48] <rick_h> at least now I'm building a makefile from my install docs so the number of commands is getting fewer and fewer
[15:48] <rick_h> ugh, this 620Kb/s download is not optimal
[15:49] <jrwren> i was listening to ruby5 today
[15:50] <jrwren> it occured to me that the asset pipeline is nice and that I'd like a django equiv. anyone know of one?
[15:50] <jrwren> or if there is a pyramid one, lemme know so I can port to django
[15:50] <brousch> asset pipeline?
[15:52] <jrwren> http://guides.rubyonrails.org/asset_pipeline.html
[15:53] <rick_h> yea, there's a django one
[15:53] <rick_h> sec, trying to recall, written by jriddel I think
[15:54] <jrwren> django-pipeline ?
[15:54] <rick_h> sorry, jezdez https://github.com/jezdez/django_compressor is what I'm thinking of
[15:54] <rick_h> not completely the same
[15:54] <jrwren> django-pipeline looks good on 10-sec inspection
[15:56] <rick_h> cool
[16:25] <greg-g> snap-l: good choice on archive.org hosting
[16:35] <jrwren> snap-l: do you like epics?
[16:36] <jrwren> err..
[16:36] <jrwren> Epica
[16:36] <jrwren> http://www.progpowerusa.com/  <-- they are coming to US
[16:36] <jrwren> but I don't know if I want to go to taht.
[17:30] <jcastro> rick_h: what you don't have a local proxy to cache your debs?
[17:30] <jcastro> SUCK
[17:31] <jrwren> not sure why anyone would ever full reinstall.
[17:31] <jrwren> upgrade FTW
[17:31] <jrwren> :)
[17:31] <jcastro> spend some time helping plumbing developers find bugs and sometimes things just go bad.
[17:31] <jcastro> but for that I have different "levels" of computers
[17:32] <rick_h> jcastro: no, I should at some point
[17:32] <rick_h> jrwren: I consider it cleaning time, get to dump projects I've checked out and not gone with, apps I've tested, etc
[17:32] <rick_h> 323790
[17:32] <jrwren> rm -rf does that for me.
[17:32] <rick_h> jcastro: I do have a local pypi server for my python stuff though :)
[17:32] <jrwren> or actually... i never do that :)
[17:33] <jrwren> I have built deb srcs from 5+ yrs ago in my homedir, LOL
[17:33] <rick_h> and each install my install process gets better and better
[17:33] <rick_h> yea, I dont care for that
[17:33] <rick_h> and the couple of times I've tried upgrades...ugh
[17:33] <rick_h> with the new makefile 80% of the install is a make command away and an hour/two of download/installing
[17:34] <jcastro> tldr, squid-deb-proxy on one machine, whatever server in your house
[17:34] <jcastro> squid-deb-proxy-client on all your clients
[17:34] <jcastro> done, all zeroconffed automatically
[17:34] <jrwren> *nod*
[17:34] <rick_h> jcastro: cool, will have to look at that.
[17:34] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/3503/best-way-to-cache-apt-downloads-on-a-lan
[17:34] <jcastro> easy
[17:34] <jrwren> i just need squid-deb-proxy-client to be default on install :)
[17:34] <jcastro> me too. :)
[17:36] <jcastro> rick_h: here's my set up: https://plus.google.com/photos/116015965439782966698/albums/5151703723278681249/5719925524677009570
[17:36] <rick_h> heh, just a few machines eh?
[17:36] <jcastro> I suspect you're similar
[17:36] <rick_h> jcastro: you have a nas?
[17:37] <jcastro> not in the pic
[17:37] <rick_h> jcastro: meh, down to desktop, laptop, netbook 'server' and soon to be nas
[17:37] <jcastro> but yeah, 6tb ubuntu server w/NFS/SMB
[17:37] <dzho> jcastro: so you work standing at the "everyday" stations?
[17:37] <rick_h> the nas conversation at work finally got me to order one
[17:37] <jrwren> i should take a pic of my setup.
[17:37] <jrwren> cuz its so tiny
[17:37] <jcastro> dzho: I just took down the standing thing actually
[17:37] <dzho> huh
[17:37] <jcastro> it was causing me mild sciatica
[17:38] <jcastro> which I am finishing up physical therapy for today
[17:38] <jrwren> ?
[17:38] <jcastro> basically I went full time standing too early
[17:38] <rick_h> jcastro: motorized ftw
[17:38] <dzho> on my list of very low priority things would be to get some sort of spring-loaded adjustable workstand
[17:38] <jrwren> i miss my standing desk.
[17:38] <rick_h> I go back/forth twice a day
[17:38] <jcastro> and my beer belly + lack of muscles in back = bummer
[17:38] <jrwren> new job is all sitting
[17:38] <rick_h> and can do more/less as I feel that day
[17:38] <jcastro> yeah, I need a motorized one
[17:38] <jrwren> but we do have treadmill workstations
[17:38] <dzho> jcastro: too early, as in, you need to lose some weight and gain some strength first?
[17:39] <dzho> or, too young?
[17:39] <rick_h> it takes time to adjust
[17:39]  * dzho scratches his head
[17:39] <rick_h> when I started I'd only do 2hrs standing a day
[17:39] <rick_h> and worked up to 50/50 split
[17:39] <jcastro> dzho: ^^^ that
[17:39]  * dzho reads with interest
[17:39] <jcastro> basically, I should have had more part time standing
[17:39] <jcastro> as opposed to "oh I think I'll start off with my 12 hour days standing up."
[17:39] <dzho> ah
[17:39] <jcastro> "lol why is my back messed up!?!?"
[17:39] <rick_h> jcastro: I started out hitting the tall tables at the coffee shop to start
[17:39] <rick_h> doing an hour there
[17:39] <jcastro> indeed
[17:40] <dzho> this is giving me an idea
[17:40] <jrwren> i adjusted pretty quick.
[17:40] <jrwren> first 2 weeks my legs and feet were TIRED
[17:40] <dzho> there's a coffee place across the quad that has a high counter
[17:40] <jrwren> but after taht I was fine.
[17:40] <jcastro> jrwren: yeah I think if I would have done more ramp up I would have been fine
[17:40] <jcastro> I plan on going back to it
[17:40] <jcastro> just going to chill for a bit on my butt for a while though
[17:40]  * dzho wonders about getting a floor mat that could be rolled up, a little like you see folks carrying around their yoga mats
[17:41] <dzho> my current changearound is to use the kneeling chair a little bit
[18:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Thanks. I think it's going to work out
[18:37] <snap-l> jrwren: Haven't listened to a lot of Epica.
[18:43] <snap-l> I should really get a NAS
[18:43] <snap-l> though my desktop is pretty much my NAS
[18:46] <rick_h> yea, I kept putting it off, but my external usb disks are runningout of space, had to do some cleaning up to do my backup for this fresh install
[18:46] <rick_h> so figured I either need to get bigger disks or break down and NAS it up
[18:46] <rick_h> and if I do the NAS it supports some better auto backup stuff
[18:48]  * brousch is a little afraid of how far rick_h will take his NAS
[18:57] <rick_h> well it does have a web server in it, so think I'll work on pushing my rst docs to it in html form :)
[18:58] <rick_h> but I'm proud, I didn't get the 4 disk super NAS I originally was looking at
[18:58] <rick_h> could buy a laptop for as much as the things run
[18:58] <snap-l> rick_h: I'm surprised you weren't getting a Drobo. ;)
[18:58] <rick_h> drobos suck
[18:58] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/Qnap-Network-Storage-Server-TS-419PII-US/dp/B005PP8J76/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1333738721&sr=8-5
[18:58] <rick_h> is what I originally wanted
[18:59] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Attached-DS411J/dp/B0049MPQGS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1333738713&sr=8-2 was tempting
[18:59]  * snap-l wold hate to be in the same room with rick_h  and Mac Break Weekly hosts.
[18:59] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Network-Attached/dp/B005YW7OLM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1333738767&sr=1-1 I settled for
[18:59] <rick_h> why is this? what does mac break weekly folks say?
[19:00] <snap-l> They like their Drobos, they love their macs.
[19:00] <snap-l> It's like the Anti-rick_h
[19:00] <rick_h> well they're idiots. Lots of documented issues with the drobo special file system. Performance goes to shit, lose data...I don't know how they're still in business
[19:01] <rick_h> get a box with a real FS and real raid
[19:01] <brousch> i was expecting a full rack full of disks and a 24 hour UPS
[19:02] <rick_h> brousch: yea, no so much
[19:02] <rick_h> want osmehting I can put on the rack shelf and be small/not deal with
[19:02] <brousch> do it right!
[19:03]  * snap-l is surprised you didn't build one from scratch
[19:03] <brousch> what's the utility to find the fastest repo mirror?
[19:04] <rick_h> snap-l: I've done that before, it's why I have that desktop. I was setting up 4 sata disks in software raid
[19:04] <rick_h> but doing software upgades, etc main it a pain to maintain
[19:04] <rick_h> that and issues getting boot right with 6 sata devices and moving /dev/sdX
[19:05] <rick_h> but really, search drobo file corruption and enjoy your afternoon
[19:12] <jcastro> brousch: http://askubuntu.com/questions/39922/how-do-you-select-the-fastest-mirror-from-the-command-line
[19:12] <jcastro> brousch: for the desktop it's in the software sources thing
[19:12] <jcastro> rick_h: I want that nice synology or qnap next
[19:12] <brousch> jcastro: thanks. it's a question on the GRLUG mailing list
[19:12] <jcastro> the drobos fail at pretty common tasks, they suck
[19:13] <jcastro> brousch: add this one then: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me
[19:13] <greg-g> yeah, roommate has a drobo, it sucks
[19:14] <greg-g> so. slow.
[19:14] <jcastro> you can't even like, stream a movie on it over gigabit
[19:14] <jcastro> it's like, half the reason for getting a NAS
[19:38] <snap-l> Yeah, actually I wouldn't get a Drobo
[19:38] <snap-l> I was just kidding
[19:44] <jrwren> snap-l: you should not get a NAS
[19:44] <jrwren> certainly not a Qnap
[19:44] <jrwren> synology is OK
[19:45] <jrwren> Drobos are absolute shit.
[19:45] <jrwren> Drobos can't even push 1Gbit. they are useless for any real work.
[19:45] <jrwren> drobo is still in business because of lots of advertising :)
[19:46]  * jrwren finishes reading backlog before repeating everything rick_h says
[19:48] <greg-g> jrwren: almost too late
[19:49] <jrwren> disagree with rich_h about maintenance though.
[19:49] <jrwren> sudo apt-get install unattended-upgrades
[19:49] <jrwren> done
[19:56] <greg-g> do any of those nas's allow you to add on external storage via usb/sata?
[19:56] <greg-g> it isn't apparent via amazon
[19:57] <rick_h> greg-g: yes, the synology has usb and esata out I think
[19:57]  * greg-g is on call, sorry for lazyirc
[20:03] <snap-l> lazy IRC
[20:04] <jrwren> I like to run my own linux on my homebuilt nas for the same reason I like to run linux on my server and not buy some server appliance: at some point I'm going to want to do something with it that the vendor does not support or enable.
[20:05] <rick_h> yea, but I want to split up my backups/critical stuff vs real server stuff. I've got servers for running that
[20:08] <greg-g> but real servers on the same lan?
[20:10] <rick_h> well I've got my desktop and my netbook running server stuff
[20:11] <rick_h> so my netbook is my pypi cache, desktop runs a couple of things
[20:11] <rick_h> but I've got 2 ec2 servers that bookie and such runs on that I setup real server things
[20:11] <rick_h> so really, I just want a better/more powerful usb storage and the nas fits that better
[20:13] <rick_h> though I should just shutdown and give away the netbook
[20:27] <jrwren> yup
[20:27] <jrwren> i run everything on 1 server.
[20:27] <jrwren> but I gess I'm ghetto like that
[20:30] <jrwren> date +%s
[20:30] <jrwren> we are at 13337..... seconds for a while longer
[20:32] <greg-g> nice
[20:46] <brousch> ok, this is col http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40496552/awwation-intro.svg#19
[20:51] <greg-g> not working here
[20:53] <brousch> get a real browser
[20:56] <jrwren> how can I zoom out?
[20:57] <jrwren> oh, enable script
[21:00] <greg-g> brousch: Fx 13 not good enough for you?
[21:00] <brousch> Chrome is the only real browser
[21:00] <greg-g> fuck that
[21:00] <jrwren> i'm on fx13, it worked perfectly
[21:00] <greg-g> sorry, I reserve my comments on Chrome since I know many of you in here are Chrome fanbois
[21:00] <greg-g> jrwren: huh, werid
[21:00] <jrwren> 13.0a2 (2012-04-05)
[21:00] <greg-g> must just be me :)
[21:01] <greg-g> 13.0a2 (2012-03-30)
[21:01] <greg-g> I guess I'm 6 days behind
[21:01] <jrwren> i don't think that is the reason
[21:02] <greg-g> :)
[21:02] <greg-g> me neither
[21:02] <brousch> :P
[21:03] <brousch> i'm really neutral on FF or Chrome. i use chrome more frequently because i have more reliable bookmark sync on it
[21:04] <jrwren> FF > Chrome because it does not ship with flash
[21:04] <jcastro> Chrome here, but trying to come back to FF due to chrome being buggier for me lately
[21:04] <greg-g> also, from what Tom Calloway (at RH/Fedora) says Chromium also ships with crap tons of modified libraries in the tarball
[21:05] <greg-g> he hates "packagin" it
[21:05] <jcastro> Well, I said Chrome not Chromium. :)
[21:05] <jcastro> "Chromium" isn't really an end product
[21:05] <jcastro> they don't release tarballs or anything like that
[21:06] <greg-g> what is the diff, really, between chrome/chromium?
[21:06] <jcastro> people just grab the branch the last stable chrome released from
[21:06] <jrwren> wtf, osx lion support dyndns OOTB. that is werid
[21:06] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/6253/whats-the-difference-between-google-chrome-and-or-chromium-what-are-the-advant
[21:06] <jcastro> greg-g: I hope that's enough detail for you, it's one of my awesomest answers
[21:07] <jrwren> modified libraries?
[21:07] <jrwren> as in THEIR version of libpng? etc?
[21:08] <greg-g> jrwren: well, with patchs not sent/incorporated upstream, yeah
[21:08] <greg-g> not all libraries, but some aparently
[21:09] <jrwren> right.
[21:09] <jrwren> jcastro: why aren't you in the list? http://askubuntu.com/users ?
[21:09] <jrwren> you'd be #2
[21:09] <jcastro> jrwren: click on "All"
[21:09] <jrwren> oh nevermind. I was on WEEK instad of ALL
[21:09] <jcastro> I am 7th now, but that's because I usually bounty most of my rep
[21:09] <greg-g> he is, search for "jorge"
[21:09] <greg-g> -607
[21:10] <jcastro> heh
[21:10] <jrwren> oh i was on YEAR
[21:10] <jcastro> it's harder to give it away than to earn it surprisingly
[21:10] <jcastro> but I dominate on badges
[21:10] <jcastro> 30 gold baby
[21:10] <jjesse> how much time a day do you spend there?
[21:10] <jcastro> only  like 95 less than jon skeet
[21:11] <jcastro> jjesse: not as much anymore, but most of last cycle, an hour before work, most of lunch, and an hour after work
[21:11] <jcastro> + whenever jill worked late, so ..... a lot.
[21:11] <jjesse> wow
[21:11] <jrwren> you ARE the Jon Skeet of askubuntu :)
[21:12] <jcastro> skeet is not human
[21:12] <jcastro> he's geometrically more productive
[21:12] <jrwren> yes
[21:12] <jjesse> sorry dumb question who is jon skeet?
[21:12] <jrwren> although I suggest that skeet's expertise is thinner.
[21:12] <jrwren> C# is a much smaller topic than all of ubuntu
[21:13] <jrwren> even C# and .NET is a much smaller subject than everything that could come up on askubuntu
[21:13] <jrwren> jjesse: jon skeet is the stackoverflow user with the highest rep.
[21:13] <jrwren> he is also author of one of the best C# books out there.
[21:13] <jcastro> most of my stuff comes from edits though
[21:13] <jcastro> I don't earn rep for answers that much compared to most.
[21:14] <jcastro> I just usually keep improving an answer over time until it's decent
[21:14] <jcastro> like that Chrome one was done over time, etc.
[21:14] <jjesse> wow 425k?
[21:16] <jrwren> he also joined at the very beginning and never really took a break.
[21:16] <jrwren> so that is waht? 6 yrs?
[21:16] <jcastro> yeah
[21:16] <jjesse> wow
[21:16] <jcastro> and he literally wrote the book on C#
[21:17] <jrwren> nah, A book.
[21:17] <jrwren> not THE book
[21:17] <jcastro> heh
[21:17] <jrwren> Mads Torgensen wrote THE book
[21:17] <jrwren> and by "The Book" I mean the C# Language Specification
[21:17] <jcastro> still though, SO dwarfs everything: http://stackexchange.com/sites#traffic
[21:17] <jrwren> yup
[21:17] <jcastro> though we were head of Gaming in traffic until they started running a contest
[21:18] <jcastro> we passed serverfault trafficwise last release, so I am hoping we can pass them and stay past them with 12.04
[21:18] <jrwren> i'm surprised they are that big.
[21:18] <jcastro> it's a good site, lots of questions with games
[21:19] <jcastro> "what's the purpose of the blue thing on this level?" etc.
[21:24] <jrwren> http://askubuntu.com/questions/119534/easiest-way-to-setup-ubuntu-as-a-vpn-server/119545#119545   you've got me answering questions now :p
[21:25] <jrwren> i mean I'm surprised that ALL those sites are that big. askubuntu, serverfault, superuser.  They all seem to dwarf stackoverflow, but in that graphic it looked like they were not much smaller.
[21:25] <jrwren> maybe its a logrithmic scale infograph :p
[21:41] <jrwren> curse you jorge... i'm wasting my time on askubuntu! http://askubuntu.com/questions/118291/ubuntu-kvm-networking/119549#119549
[21:48] <snap-l> now if it only interfaced with my launchpad karma. ;)
[21:51] <greg-g> answers.launchpad.net should just redirect to askubuntu
[21:55] <snap-l> Yes