[03:54] <astraljava> Unit193: I will check later today, might need some sleep before that.
[03:55] <Unit193> Could be just me.
[06:24] <knome> micahg, as there any uploads pending?
[06:24] <knome> mr_pouit, ^
[06:35] <ochosi> micahg,pleia2: nope, in Gtk3 the resize-grip can be activated globally in the gtk-theme
[06:35] <ochosi> micahg,pleia2: from gtk2 it was dropped, so it's only in apps that set it themselves
[06:36] <ochosi> pleia2: thanks for reading through! yes, screenshots would be good for pretty much every method. i just put this draft together yesterday because i suddenly felt motivated and wanted to get things going :)
[06:44] <knome> ochosi, btw, you can't add screenshots yourself to the blog..
[06:44] <ochosi> knome: oh, is that a limitation of the contributor-mode?
[06:44] <knome> yeah, that's the unfortunate side-effect :/
[06:44] <ochosi> hmm
[06:44] <ochosi> ok
[06:45] <knome> i could just approve you to the website team though
[06:45] <ochosi> well, we can test this for a while like this
[06:45] <knome> k
[06:45] <ochosi> but since my posts will mostly be artwork, they will most likely contain screenshots or pics
[06:45] <knome> mm-hmm
[06:45] <ochosi> but for now we can leave it as is
[06:45] <knome> ok, works for me
[06:45] <ochosi> then at least i'm forced to let you review :)
[06:46] <knome> i'm going to be off from about 13utc today till 10utc sunday
[06:46] <ochosi> btw, i guess i have to rewrite parts, if pleia2 had a hard time understanding it, then i probably wrote gibberish
[06:46] <ochosi> mkay, yeah, i'll also be away over the weekend
[06:46] <knome> hihi
[06:46] <knome> i can review now if you want
[06:46] <ochosi> although only from tomorrow till sunday evening
[06:46] <ochosi> yeah, please
[06:47] <knome> do you mind if i just edit it?
[06:48] <ochosi> nope
[06:48] <knome> ok
[06:48] <ochosi> as long as you don't change the meaning of things too much
[06:48] <knome> hehe, won't
[06:53] <ochosi> knome: could you also check whether the keyboard-shortcut is right?
[06:53] <ochosi> (i mean alt+f11)
[06:53] <ochosi> i think i changed it on my system
[06:53] <knome> i can, after i've gone through the article :)
[06:56] <ochosi> ah, it's alt+f8
[06:56] <ochosi> at least on my gf's laptop and i think i didn't change it here
[06:57] <ochosi> knome: please verify that on your system and then change that as well in the article ^
[06:57] <knome> hehe
[06:57] <knome> well i'm on an updated system
[06:58] <knome> i probably should check this from the spec ;)
[06:58] <ochosi> ok
[06:58] <ochosi> brb
[06:58] <ochosi> or: bbiab
[06:58] <knome> ok ok
[06:58] <knome> ;)
[06:59] <knome> ochosi, ehm, we deleted the resize-window shortcut!
[07:00] <knome> but i'm in favor of the mouse-methods anyway
[07:01] <knome> saved new version @ xubuntu.org
[07:01] <micahg> knome: not planning any for xubuntu until next week
[07:01] <knome> micahg, ok :)
[07:02] <micahg> ochosi: there were resize distro patches that were dropped, idk if that was for GTK2 or 3
[07:15] <ochosi> knome: why did we delete that shortcut?
[07:23] <ochosi> knome: ok, updated the post according to that
[07:49] <knome> dunno, maybe because we thought it was redundant
[07:49] <knome> and because people can always readd it
[07:49] <ochosi> hmm :/
[07:49] <ochosi> yeah, i put that in the article
[07:50] <ochosi> it's fine as well
[07:50] <knome> and there's the window menu
[07:50] <ochosi> good point
[07:50] <ochosi> yet another method
[07:50] <knome> which has the resize-link
[07:50] <ochosi> mind adding a paragraph about that?
[07:51] <knome> i don't know how to open that :D
[07:51] <knome> i think i have somewhat messed up shortcuts
[07:53] <ochosi> you can set a shortcut for opening the window-menu
[07:53] <ochosi> but, you can also use the menu-button (downward-pointing arrow in the left-top-corner of the window)
[07:54] <ochosi> or simply right-click the window-titlebar
[08:01] <knome> that's right :P
[08:01] <knome> i was looking for the menu icon, but i don't have that
[08:02] <ochosi> you must've removed it, it should be there by default
[08:33] <mr_pouit> o hai
[08:33] <mr_pouit> no upload pending, although a new one for xubuntu-artwork might be needed, there's a missing icon in simple-scan according to a bug report
[08:33] <mr_pouit> knome: ^
[08:35] <ochosi> mr_pouit: where's that bugreport?
[08:36] <knome> mr_pouit, in the app menu? i have that icon
[08:36] <knome> also, in the interface, i don't see missing icons
[08:37] <ochosi> ah i see the br now
[08:37] <knome> br ?
[08:37] <ochosi> bugreport :)
[08:37] <knome> heh
[08:37] <ochosi> i'll quickly test this in my oneiric install
[08:38]  * knome checked in precise
[08:38] <ochosi> oh, ok
[08:39] <ochosi> then i'll spare myself the reboot for now
[08:39] <knome> heh
[08:39] <knome> yeah, i upgraded to precise not a long time ago
[08:44] <mr_pouit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/974549
[08:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 974549 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Simple Scan application menu missing icon" [Undecided,New]
[08:46] <knome> nope, shows a stamp-icon for me
[08:47] <ochosi> ok, i'll check it...
[08:47] <knome> 20120228
[08:47] <knome> that's the installtion media
[08:47] <knome> (his)
[08:50] <ochosi> hmm, i can confirm the bug :(
[08:50] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04062012-105046am.php
[08:51] <mr_pouit> if you don't want people to send photos by mail, it's a proper icon though
[08:51] <mr_pouit> (:
[08:51] <ochosi> heh
[08:52] <ochosi> btw, i just realized there might be a tiny glitch in greybird-gtk3 :/
[08:52] <ochosi> the radio-buttons in menuitems have dark fg
[08:53] <mr_pouit> screenshots before/after?
[08:53] <ochosi> look at "photo": http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04062012-105305am.php
[08:53] <ochosi> before/after what?
[08:53] <mr_pouit> it's still posible to upload if it's critical
[08:53] <mr_pouit> before/after your fix :P
[08:53] <ochosi> oh .)
[08:53] <ochosi> hehe
[08:53] <ochosi> one sec, i think i can really fix that straight away
[08:54] <mr_pouit> but otherwise it'll go to precise-proposed
[08:55] <ochosi> it's hopefully trivial
[08:56] <ochosi> it just seems that simplescan is the only gtk3 app i have with radios
[08:56] <ochosi> checks look ok
[08:56] <knome> ;)
[08:57] <ochosi> odd, they look ok in gedit
[08:59] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04062012-105901am.php
[09:00] <ochosi> time for a quick reboot
[09:00] <ochosi> brb
[09:03] <ochosi> re
[09:06] <ochosi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~simple-scan-team/simple-scan/trunk/view/head:/data/simple-scan.ui#L124
[09:07] <ochosi> use_stock > False :(
[09:12] <ochosi> ok, fixed it
[09:12] <ochosi> i'll push the fix to git in a minute
[09:15] <ochosi> very weird
[09:15] <ochosi> it seems ambiance works around that radio-button glitch by using bright submenus
[09:15] <ochosi> imo that looks terrible: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04062012-111533am.php
[09:16] <knome> huh
[09:16] <knome> yeah
[09:16] <ochosi> i think we're better off with what we have atm
[09:18] <ochosi> wth, when changing the theme (with simplescan running) from Greybird to greybird (the second is a symlink to the first) the radiobuttons are ok
[09:18] <knome> haha
[09:18] <ochosi> and they're also ok when changing back to Greybird
[09:19] <ochosi> i have no clue what is not working there
[09:19] <ochosi> probably a bug in gtk3
[09:21] <ochosi> mr_pouit: btw, if stupid simplescan would use the stock "document-send" icon, we would have no problem whatsoever (that one is contained in the gnome-icon-theme), but they chose to use "mail-send" instead
[09:22] <knome> ochosi, how do i have the correct icon then?
[09:23] <ochosi> i'm suspecting that the gnome-icon theme was slimmed down
[09:23] <knome> mm-hmm
[09:23] <knome> but i'm using precise...
[09:24] <ochosi> can you check what's inside of /usr/share/icons/gnome/24x24/actions ?
[09:24] <knome> let me upgrade all packages so they are surely the latest
[09:25] <ochosi> no, wait
[09:25] <ochosi> tell me what you have there now
[09:25] <knome> oh
[09:25] <knome> mail-send.png exists
[09:25] <ochosi> just to check whether anything else critical got removed
[09:25] <ochosi> gah
[09:25] <knome> oh well
[09:25] <ochosi> so they dropped it
[09:25] <ochosi> bastards
[09:25] <knome> i'm already upgrading :P
[09:25] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-04062012-112552am.php
[09:26] <ochosi> this is the content of the directory for me
[09:26] <knome> there's 355 items for me
[09:26] <ochosi> do you have gnome-icon-theme-full installed?
[09:26] <ochosi> (because we dropped that one)
[09:26] <knome> let me check
[09:27] <knome> i have, for some reason
[09:27] <knome> when is that dropped?
[09:27] <ochosi> ok, we don't install that by default anymore
[09:27] <knome> like, yesterday?
[09:27] <knome> oh right, i'm upgrading
[09:27] <knome> gigi
[09:27] <ochosi> that is the whole point of having elementary-xfce as a fork
[09:27] <knome> *hihi
[09:27] <knome> :)
[09:27] <knome> yup..
[09:29] <ochosi> anyway, it's possible that other icons are missing if people decide to install something that doesn't follow any standards but is contained in the gnome-icon-theme-full, but i think we shouldn't care too much about that
[09:30] <ochosi> brb
[09:31] <knome> mm
[09:34] <ochosi> knome: mind to ask sean davis to join the testing team? (the guy reported really a lot of bugs lately, all of them meaningful)
[09:44] <ochosi> ok, i'm off for now, bbal (be back after lunch)
[10:55] <knome> mr_pouit, bug 875991
[10:55] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 875991 in lxdm (Ubuntu) "Not able to start a xsession with a space in the name" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875991
[10:56] <knome> mr_pouit, i know the bug is in lxdm, but..
[10:56] <knome> mr_pouit, i suppose it's not without problems if we rename though?
[11:21] <mr_pouit> it's ugly
[11:22] <knome> lxdm you mean?
[11:22] <knome> or non-space session name?
[11:22] <mr_pouit> non-space ;-)
[11:23] <knome> mm-hmm
[11:23] <mr_pouit> we could replace "Xfce Session" by "Xfce" though
[11:23] <knome> yeah
[11:24] <knome> but that doesn't fix the xubuntu session, and definitely not lxdm
[11:24] <mr_pouit> but still, it's a string change, so a bit annoying at this point
[11:24] <knome> let's not do it.
[11:24] <knome> lxdm must be fixed, seriously
[11:24] <mr_pouit> lubuntu uses lightdm, so I guess it's low priority, even for them ;-)
[11:24] <knome> i don't think it's eating users from xubuntu/xfce, more likely it's going to eat users from lxdm
[11:25] <knome> yeah, there was just some talk about that in twitter
[11:28] <knome> the more i think about it, the more i think we shouldn't do anything, since otherwise lxdm won't ever fix this, rather, just keep on asking people to use non-space session names
[11:29] <knome> it's probably annoying for those who want to use lxdm and xubuntu/xfce, but they can fix the files on their own + apply pressure to fix lxdm
[12:02] <knome> okay, i'm off! see you again on sunday :)
[12:22] <ochosi> awwh, just missed you then
[12:23] <ochosi> have a nice weekend knome 
[12:56] <martinphone> when 12.04 is out, will there be the possibility in file manager to ctrl+something to add tabs instead of having to co ctrl+n to open a new window?
[13:02] <ochosi> martinphone: no, thunar doesn't support tabs by design, there have been lengthy discussions about that on mailinglists, forums and irc
[13:05] <martinphone> ok
[13:50] <astraljava> gah, talk about last minute awakenings. :)
[13:55] <ochosi> astraljava: you woke up last minute for what?
[13:55] <astraljava> release meeting mail. :)
[13:57] <ochosi> oh, right, haven't read that
[13:58] <ochosi> (not subscribed i guess)
[13:58] <astraljava> ochosi: Yeah it's sent to ubuntu-release@l.u.c
[14:06] <astraljava> ...although there doesn't appear to be a meeting, so I worried for nothing.
[14:30] <astraljava> These default apps for media files are puzzling me, see f.e. bug #973654.
[14:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 973654 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Audio CDs default to Exaile but gmusicbrowser is installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973654
[14:31] <astraljava> Studio has the same problem, no exaile and no parole either.
[14:52] <mr_pouit> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/thunar-volman.xml
[14:52] <mr_pouit> this bug affects only 11.10
[14:54] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Oh ok. We just have to fix our own. Thanks for pointing to the correct place!
[14:56] <mr_pouit> ah indeed, ubuntustudio-default-settings still has: <property name="command" type="string" value="exaile"/>
[14:56] <mr_pouit> replace it with: <property name="command" type="string" value="parole --device=%d"/>
[14:56] <mr_pouit> and you're good to go
[15:00] <astraljava> mr_pouit: We don't ship parole by default, so we're gonna use something else for it, but yeah, that's the spot right there. We also need to tweak a little more as the current situation with nautilus/Thunar just isn't as it should be.
[18:42] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: with the last update i got the new clipman icon...looks grat
[18:42] <leo-unglaub> thanks !
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