[01:01] <rbelem> Riddell, ScottK, i uploaded kde-workspace with kwinactive changes to ninjas :-D
[02:04] <ScottK> rbelem: Or not.  It failed to build.
[02:14] <rbelem> ScottK, i forgot to uncomment some lines in debian/rules
[04:08] <snele_> JontheEchidna: thanks for explanation. Because 4.8.4 will end up in official repositories, an average user (who doesn't use apt-get) will be stuck with muon. When that time comes, maybe it will be nice to post on official site/forums about using apt-get instead of muon :)
[12:32] <rbelem> Riddell, ScottK, kde-workspace built fine :-D
[13:44] <yofel_> rbelem: 
[13:44] <yofel_> Unpacking replacement kde-window-manager ...
[13:44] <yofel_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.8.2a-0ubuntu2~ppa2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[13:44] <yofel_>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/kde4/kwin4_effect_builtins.so', which is also in package kde-window-manager-common 4:4.8.2a-0ubuntu1
[13:45] <yofel_> please add breaks/replaces when moving files around
[13:46] <rbelem> yofel_, oh! sorry i didnt know about that
[13:47] <rbelem> yofel_, should i fix that or could you do that? :-)
[13:52] <yofel_> rbelem: could you please? I'm on a crappy connection here, and your changes aren't in bzr
[13:53] <rbelem> yofel_, oki
[13:55] <rbelem> yofel_, but i'm not sure how it will look. It would be something like Package: kde-window-manager\n breaks: kde-window-manager-common (<< 4.8.2a) ?
[13:57] <yofel_> almost, Breaks: kde-window-manager-common (<< 4.8.2a-0ubuntu2)
[13:57] <yofel_> you need the packaging rev here too, as this is a ubuntu1 -> ubuntu2 change
[13:57] <rbelem> nice
[13:57] <rbelem> yofel_, how about the replaces?
[13:58] <yofel_> s/Breaks/Replaces/
[13:58] <kubotu> yofel_: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[13:58] <rbelem> yofel_, for the same package?
[13:59] <yofel_> yes
[14:00] <rbelem> yofel_, thanks for lesson :-D
[14:00] <rbelem> i will fix that now
[14:04] <rbelem> yofel, i move libnvidiahacks to its own package also. it was in common
[14:04] <rbelem> yofel, should i add breaks replaces for it?
[14:05] <yofel> hm, I was wondering why that didn't fail
[14:05] <yofel> libkwinnvidiahacks is empty here
[14:06] <rbelem> o.O
[14:06] <rbelem> oh! i forgot the install file
[14:07] <rbelem> yofel, i forgot to move it from the old 4.8.2
[14:09] <rbelem> yofel, how about the so version
[14:09] <yofel> also, if you have a file called libkwinactivenvidiahack.so.4
[14:09] <yofel> the package it's in is libkwinactivenvidiahack4, not libkwinactivenvidiahacks 
[14:09] <rbelem> yofel, should i use 4?
[14:09] <rbelem> :-D
[14:09] <rbelem> yofel, thanks :-)
[14:09]  * yofel swears something about 40% packet loss
[14:35] <rbelem> yofel, should i bump ppa version or ubuntu version?
[14:38] <yofel> ppa, unless someone already uploaded it to the archive
[14:40] <rbelem> nice
[14:40] <rbelem> :-)
[14:40] <rbelem> yofel, so it will breaks/replaces in 4.8.2a-0ubuntu1
[14:40] <rbelem> right?
[14:42] <yofel> right
[14:42] <rbelem> yofel, :-)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[23:26] <ronnoc> Stupid question, I'm sure, but why is the backport repository not enabled by default? I mean, who doesn't like updates? 
[23:32] <ronnoc> I understand the reasoning behind it. I just think times have changed and development is too fast now not to have it on by default.
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> what harm is there waiting 6 months to update?
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> people are expected to wait 2 years from LTS to LTS
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> and most people honestly don't really care about the bi-annual KDE updates
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> they care about a system that works
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> reliably and regression free
[23:46] <ScottK> Backports is enabled by default in Oneiric and later.
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> (with the caveat of the user having to manually upgrade the packages he wants newer versions of)
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> but this doesn't apply to the backports PPA, which is more of what I was talking about