[01:44] my cd drive isn't working but it detects === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as benonhardware === benonsoftware is now known as Guest92794 === benonhardware is now known as M0hi [08:50] i am unable to find which package is the "keyboard and mouse" application in the settingsmenu (its not lxkeymap) [09:02] lxinput (after greping the menu name in /usr/share) :) [09:15] hi, I lubuntu 12.04 now stable enough to install it on your PC? [09:15] *is [09:15] AlesR: 12.04 is still a beta-release [09:15] * AlesR don't want to wait 19 more days ;) [09:16] iceroot: sure, but is it good for a daily use? [09:16] its working fine here but that does not mean that things will not break [09:16] AlesR: as i said, its still a beta and betas are not designed for daily use [09:16] is there going to be an upgrade to RC and later to Final version if I install it today? [09:17] or is it better to wait? [09:17] I installed Xubuntu 12.04 beta on my server few days ago and it's working great for now [09:17] if you upgrade it later you will get the rc/finale [09:18] and again, betas are NOT designed for important systems [09:18] iceroot: ok, cool than I will install it today and upgrade to final when it's out [09:18] if you want to use it, you are free to use it of course [09:18] thanks [09:19] I so don't need to reinstall it later... that's what is important [09:19] yes you dont need to reinstall [09:19] I can live with a few bugs until then ;) [09:19] cool, thanks again iceroot for your response [09:20] * AlesR downloading latest Lubuntu now [09:21] one more thing... I have an old laptop for this where Ubuntu 11.04 works slow (centino 1.6, 1Gb ram) [09:21] I guess 12.04 would too... [09:22] i am running 630mhz, 512mb ram and its very fine [09:22] if you already have Ubuntu on and would like to lighten it up.. [09:22] ubuntu? [09:22] this is lubuntu :) [09:22] is there a Ubuntu -> Lubuntu or something? [09:22] yes, I'm talking about Ubuntu now (while downloading Lubuntu) ;) [09:23] so you have ubuntu (gnome/unity) running and want to use lubuntu with lxde? [09:23] yes [09:23] sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop [09:23] and that's it? [09:23] and on 11.04 imo you need the multiverse repo enabled [09:23] yes thats it [09:23] aha, so it is in different repo [09:24] no [09:24] but one package lubuntu-desktop is reffering to is in the multiverse repo [09:24] mhm [09:24] its gecko-mplayer or something like that [09:25] and the uses as much ram as Lubuntu does? [09:25] ? [09:25] I would guess more... because of the apps running in background [09:26] i am not sure what you mean [09:26] it is still Ubuntu with Lubuntu skin... [09:26] no [09:27] its lubuntu [09:27] apps are changed too? [09:27] on the login-screen you choose to use ubuntu or lubuntu [09:27] if you run the apt-get install command you have then the apps from ubuntu and lubuntu in your menus [09:28] but only the daemons needed for lubuntu are started when you choose lubuntu [09:28] oh, great [09:28] if you want to remove the ubuntu desktop and just run lubuntu use this [09:28] !purelxde [09:28] If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » [09:29] AlesR: but i would suggest to first install lubuntu-desktop and see if it fits your needs [09:29] before removing something [09:30] ok, good tips [09:31] btw, what are the differences between Lubuntu and Xubuntu? [09:31] I read Lubuntu is lighter [09:31] lubuntu is using lxde, xubuntu is using xfce4 [09:31] yes lubuntu is lighter [09:31] xfce4 is something like the old gnome2 [09:32] yea, I'm not liking it a lot xfce... [09:33] I'm glad that I only access it through SSH ;) === CTtechguy_ is now known as CTtechguy [15:44] how do i kill X? i'm trying to run lubuntu in a VM with terminal only [16:00] crivera you u using amd drivers? [16:00] yup [16:00] wait, never mind. not on this machine [16:00] can you just log out? [16:01] ok then do alt-prntscreen +k [16:01] i actually i'm a little confused why you're doing this [16:01] but good luck [16:02] i want to create a lightweight vm with our projects development environment [16:03] it's a pretty complicated setup process so I want to minimize the rampup time for new developers that join our team [16:12] why is lxde.org down every week? [16:21] kanliot: is it? [16:36] hi [16:36] flash doesn't seem to be working on lubuntu [16:36] on chromium it just says it has crashed [16:37] this is on a fresh install, v11.10 [16:37] its really strange because it worked fine on ubunu/xubuntu, perhaps there is some other package that needs installing === KAISforza is now known as KaiSforza [16:39] Joshun: You need to install adobe-flashplugin from the partner repo. [16:39] !partner | Joshun [16:39] Joshun: Canonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" » [16:39] i've tried both adobe-flashplugin from partner and the flash-plugin installer packages [16:39] none of them seem to work [16:39] google chrome's built in flash does however [16:41] youtube on other browsers will just say 'Missing Plugin' [16:43] I have none installed except adobe and working in FF. [16:44] about plugins in ff reads: [16:45] File: libflashplayer.so Version: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 [16:45] the only other installed plugin is java [16:46] if i have to i will re-install lubuntu and see if that works [16:46] i only installed it yesterday anyway [16:46] Shouldn't, but I don't remember how they fixed the issue. [16:47] bioterror: You here? [16:47] it just seems really odd [16:47] worked fine with the same version of flash, same hardware, just xubuntu [16:47] Yeah, but that's flash, not always the best. [16:48] yeah terribly glitchy [16:49] http://www.youtube.com/html5 That may help with youtube videos. :P [16:49] is there a way to debug flash from the command line? [16:49] i need flash for other sites though -_- [16:50] You can open the browser and see output from it. [16:51] Joshun: ensure you have enabled lubuntu-restricted-extras, it will pull in the latest flash [16:51] Unit193, I am [16:51] there is no output [16:52] not even with the -g flag [16:52] restricted extras is installed [16:52] i think [16:52] "lubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version." [16:52] Joshun: what does dpkg -l | grep flash give you? [16:53] dpkg -l | grep flash [16:53] ii flashplugin-installer 11.2.202.228ubuntu0.11.10.1 Adobe Flash Player plugin installer [16:53] ii flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound 0.0.svn2431-3ubuntu1 Adobe Flash Player platform support library for Esound and OSS [16:53] ii get-flash-videos 1.24-2 Video downloader for various Flash-based video hosting sites [16:53] Joshun, sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" [16:53] sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer && sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin [16:54] if you dont have partner repository already in use [16:54] That first. [16:54] i'll try that [16:54] and if you dont have and you add that repository, remember to sudo apt-get update [16:55] doesn't work either [16:55] what doesnt work? [16:55] "The following plugin has crashed: adobe flash" [16:55] the partner one [16:55] did you restart your browser? [16:56] yeah [16:56] killed it to make sure [16:56] i cleared the cache too [16:57] my youtube problems disappeared with adobe-flashplugin [16:57] from chromium: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 [16:58] i could do a screenshot [17:03] 1: http://imagebin.org/207106 [17:03] 2: http://imagebin.org/207107 [17:05] 3: http://imagebin.org/207109 [17:06] i think i'll re-install [17:06] with the flash box ticked [17:07] and if that doesn't work install the 12.04 beta === smile4ever is now known as Guest61712 [17:38] if anyone wants to review my bug report, tell me if i messed up the report please bug 976088 [17:38] Launchpad bug 976088 in gnome-mplayer (Ubuntu) "volume widget focus, crashing, persistence issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/976088 [17:39] kanliot: i think it's in debian repo's too. :) because I have also a crash when the volume is changed in some situations;) [17:40] ty smile [17:41] you're welcome :) [17:42] what? :| [17:42] mplayer disappeared again :| [17:43] really? [17:43] i'm willing to put up with bugs when i'm hacking but not when i'm chillaxing [17:50] kanliot: yes. no reason, just disappeared :( [17:50] after about two minutes after playing the last file it closes :| [17:52] yeah i have had some crashing on precise [17:53] i guess i got used to the crashing. wierd huh? how you get used to it [17:55] yeah. ;) crazy things happen. it's normal 9.9 === smile4ever is now known as smile [18:03] Hello. I just installed 12.04 alternate dev i386 and it can not start the desktop, but I can log in a virtual console. [18:04] thanks for reporting that. you should file a bug and i cna help u [18:06] oh eayh i just had a volume icon crash. never had that happen before. [18:07] jarnos: try startx? :) [18:09] it should be startlubuntu for a lubuntu installation [18:11] wow i just learned what zsync does [18:12] kanliot: it's a very useful command [18:12] kanliot, so is there some template for such a bug report? [18:13] kanliot: cool isn't it ;) [18:13] :D [18:13] jarnos, make sure you get the right package in the bug report, and list everythign you need to reproduce [18:13] I needed an Xubuntu image. Took ubuntu one and zsynced it :D [18:14] jarnos: take a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Bugs [18:15] let us know if there is need for more information & we'll get it put on. [18:17] smile: yeah, zsync is pretty impressive :D [18:17] phillw: I found it to difficult to use a few months ago :p [18:17] but a week ago I needed Xubuntu [18:18] so I learned zsync in one minute ^^ [18:18] :) [18:18] I found the description at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage to be enough for me :) [18:19] I've even got it on a CentOS server where I mirror the Lubuntu Iso's :) [18:19] I installed using automatic partitioning, using entire disk, using encryption. There is some complaint about encrypted swap in boot. [18:19] phillw: how to use zsync i google'ed :) [18:20] smile: I ensured it was put on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing Our one stop shop for all things to do with testing :) [18:20] phillw: i ctrl+D'd it ;) [18:21] love firefox 14 8) [18:21] phillw: Maybe I'll get involved later. :) [18:21] jarnos: I've never used encryption, just let people know that if you loose your p/w... you're up the creek minus paddle. [18:22] phillw: Please have a look at Linux Mint Debian Xfce, it's done like LXDE with many more features and stability :) I'm using a few LXDE packages, though [18:22] smile: the final RC for all the 12.04's will land a couple of days before release day. [18:22] Cool ;) And that's in mid april? :p [18:23] I'll try it, but now i don't like it :( atm ;) [18:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [18:23] I think we get 7 days to check the RL. [18:23] is 12.04 out yet? [18:24] not yet ;) [18:24] s/RL/RC [18:24] Release candidate 9.9 [18:24] Maximoto: see my post above, it's due 26th [18:24] * smile is leaving. good night everyone! :) [18:25] Maximoto: the Beta 2 is available from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/210/builds [18:25] tc smile [18:25] phillw: you're welcome [18:26] phillw: 12.04 is releasing on the 26th you say [18:27] Maximoto: http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com.es/2012/03/lubuntu-countdown.html :D [18:28] Maximoto: the beta 2 is so stable, we are expecting (and certainly hoping for) a smooth transition to final release. [18:28] seriously is lxde.org not down for you europeans? [18:29] kanliot: it's down for me in UK [18:31] phillw: oh would like to see it has a better interface and functions in term of the browser [18:31] kanliot: there **is** a snapshot at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://lxde.org/ [18:31] [18:32] thanks [18:32] Maximoto: as we use Chromium by default, that is what you get :) But, you can install any browser you prefer :) [18:33] some of us have been playing with xxxterm Browser, pretty lean. [18:35] kanliot: I'm not sure if Mario is involved with the lxde.org hosting. If not, he would most likely know who is. feel free to ask him :) [18:36] yea i know [18:36] really i havent' built a relationship with mario at all [18:36] even though he was kind enough to chat with me a week ago [18:37] am i wrong to assume that i have to be the one to get the lxde.org website online? [18:37] and i don't expect you to either [18:39] but i am the kind of helpful person [18:39] just last week i was out on a walk [18:40] and i knocked on a persons door to let them know the headlights were left on on their truck [18:40] lorry for you brits [18:40] I still don't know how to report about this specific bug. [18:40] yeah [18:40] it was a problem with the graphical stuff not starting after a new install right? [18:41] really I'd rather ask phillw about what package [18:43] would the right package be to file this bug be "lubuntu-desktop" ? [18:44] kanliot, can you help me reporting the bug? [18:44] jarnos: can you describe the bug? As in what installation you have and what happens. Best place it to mail it on lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com it can b quickly reviewed by people more knowledgeable than me :) [18:45] are you running the installation that didn't install right now? [18:46] jarnos: if the desktop is not starting (from my reading history on here), you would report it against lightdm [18:46] kanliot, installation finished without errors. [18:47] can you open a web browser on that faulty machine? [18:47] phillw, well, display manager starts and lets me give password, but it will not login to lubuntu desktop. [18:47] if you can, you can just use the terminal to type "ubuntu-bug" [18:48] ok you're stuck [18:48] jarnos: where do you end up logged in to? [18:48] kanliot, I can not run graphical web browser there. [18:48] https://launchpad.net/lightdm [18:48] open that [18:48] or do you get thrown back to login prompt? [18:48] and "report a bug" against it [18:49] is this the install with the encryption? [18:50] phillw, yes [18:50] just encrypted /home? [18:51] phillw, I chose encryption in the installation process. It may use also encrypted swap besides /home. I don't know. [18:52] how do i get the desktop panel to change wallpaper and no it's not on the screen [18:52] phillw, yes, I get thrown back to login screen [18:52] max, can you right click on desktop and select destop prefs? [18:53] kan: not there i have to use alt- f2 [18:54] i mean, the background [18:54] can you right-click on that? [18:54] you should get something [18:54] jarnos: that sounds like an issue with the encryption. I suggest asking on #ubuntu-beginners to see if anyone on there is familiar with encrypted /home, it's a bit quieter than #ubuntu for support. I really do not know about encryption over what it says on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome [18:56] normally we'd reset your .ICEAuthority, but I no idea how to do that on an encrypted area. [18:57] so it's not a lightdm bug then, is it? [18:57] * kanliot masters the obvious [18:58] kan: and again it's not ther [19:00] max: please explain why you can't right click on the desktop [19:01] kan: the menu lists comes up instead [19:01] openbox menu? [19:02] yes [19:02] k [19:02] i got ya now [19:02] hold on a minute i have to google [19:02] oh [19:03] jarnos: i tested the daily build and encrypted home whatever works. on my vm [19:04] Maximoto, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper [19:04] max try this let me know if you need more help [19:04] http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=100661.0 [19:04] dammit bio [19:04] grrr [19:05] lol [19:05] I did not start that faq for nothing ;) [19:06] bioterror: and like fankensteins monster, it's getting bigger :P [19:06] phillw, luckily we have Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in it ;) [19:06] guide and work-a-rounds ;9 [19:07] isn't helping [19:07] what's not helping? [19:07] advices [19:10] Maximoto, you said you get wrong menu when you right click the desktop and you cannot change wallpaper [19:10] and that should help you [19:10] it has been tested many times [19:11] can't see it [19:12] you cant see what? [19:12] that pcmanfm --desktop-pref ? [19:12] kanliot, strange that it does not work here. Did you use automatic partitioning, use entire disk? [19:12] yes it's the one i couldn't remember [19:12] yeah, i did [19:13] did you use encrypted llvm? [19:16] and i gotta ask, did you use beta 2 [19:16] bio: in what file do i find the different wallpapers? [19:16] Maximoto, /usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers [19:21] bio: when yopur in desktop preferences and click advanced and unmarked the option there it doesn't work here [19:22] works here [19:22] not there [19:22] not here [19:23] unmark it [19:23] and hmm [19:23] restart your graphical environment [19:23] sudo service lxdm restart [19:23] ;) [19:23] oh ok [19:23] if that doenst help [19:24] then we have to think what's really broken [19:24] max what version of lubuntu are you running? [19:25] kanliot, i did not use encrypted llvm, I used daily iso. [19:26] kanliot, please use my name tag [19:26] 11.04 now because i use the option of previous version [19:30] bio: what you know it did work [19:30] :) [19:31] kanliot: what version of lubuntu are you running? [19:31] 12.04 [19:32] oh so can anybody tell me what's the differents between them? [19:33] well when 12.04 is released you should re-install [19:33] more bugfixes [19:33] i intend to get it [19:36] i cant see crap on my screen (words) how do i make them better? [19:37] *bigger [19:37] "customize look and feel" [19:37] next [19:38] front? [19:38] ? [20:02] how do i change back 11.04 to 11.10. i already have 11.10 [20:02] reinstall [20:02] what [20:02] yes [20:02] you want to downgrade [20:02] and only way to do it is to reinstall [20:04] when the computer is booting up the pass something (can't remember what it is) to change your OS vision(French) [20:06] brb [20:06] * Maximoto is away: I'm busy [20:07] Maximoto: Please disable that, thanks. [20:07] unit193: huh? [20:08] The public away message. [20:08] why does [20:08] becouse we do not like it [20:08] oh [20:09] what is lubuntu all about? [20:10] providing a fast and flexible computer experience [20:10] targetted for older computers [20:12] oh so i am using a 733 MHz is that old [20:13] 733MHz P3 is about 10 years old [20:14] which, in computer terms, is like millenia [20:14] we might as well be talking about the pyramids [20:15] So mine predates the pyramids? Wow... [20:15] yep. incan or something. [20:15] before that, there were only aliens. ancient aliens. [20:16] wxl, alien vs predators? :D [20:16] The Ancients, we know. [20:16] bioterror: you haven't seen the show ancient aliens? go search it. [20:17] I think I dont want to [20:35] :D not funny [20:36] so what's the requirement to run lubuntu and xubuntu [20:37] some wackos runs Lubuntu on 433MHz Celerons [20:37] righ Unit193 ? [20:37] +t [20:38] and the standard memory to run it is [20:39] you can install it on 128MB using alternative installer [20:39] with 192MB you can use graphical, but I would go with the alternative's text based [20:40] alternative's text based, what's that [20:40] it's awesome! [20:41] http://images.brighthub.com/51/d/51d8459626a33cf128f6ed4b9a89d004b4aee69e_large.jpg [20:41] looks like that [20:41] http://images.brighthub.com/a0/c/a0c8c345acf0e580957381a7102e899db8972a26_large.jpg [20:41] can you send the pic through file transfer [20:41] no I can not [20:42] oh [20:42] Maximoto: text installer is not frightening, all steps are clearly explained, [20:43] it's just next next next [20:43] sound's good [20:44] actually, when you use text intaller, it's easier to choose to use LVM [20:45] how do i switch my os back to 11.10 [20:46] you said you have 11.10 and you want it back to 11.04? [20:46] bioterror: Nope, I've got 500! [20:46] (Also have 510M ram) [20:46] :D [20:46] no i have both but i am using 11.04 but i want to use 11.10 now [20:47] sudo do-release-upgrade -p [20:48] restarting my computer 1 min [20:48] wow TAIPEI is hard to play :D [20:49] that's the brick game where you put those blocks on each other? [20:49] no the one where you match the tiles [20:50] ahhh, it's mahjongg [20:50] mahjongg who [21:02] why can't the games maximized [21:06] who know the game name moppets [21:08] I do not [21:13] oh this channel is boring, why can't i join the linux channel [21:14] Maximoto: try ##linux [21:14] not #linux [21:15] doesn't work [21:17] wxl: it said ":Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services" [21:17] !nicksetup [21:17] To setup your nick so that you can be given a cloak, please follow the instructions here: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup [21:17] You need to register to join. [21:18] how do i [21:19] Link right above. [21:20] oh later, got to go === Guest92794 is now known as benonsoftware [23:34] how do i format my flash drive? [23:37] Gparted isn't bad, if you hit the right one. [23:40] huh [23:42] can't i format my flash drive? [23:43] install gparted and try with that, if that palimpsest doesnt work [23:43] disk utilyt or what it is called [23:43] utility [23:45] one sec [23:52]