[03:08] <Darxus> I just switched to gnome classic for the first time in this precise install, and alt-tab doesn't work?
[03:13] <Darxus> And I'm apparently not the only one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1953792
[04:53] <scientes> Darxus, i use gnome-shell
[04:53] <scientes> oh wait ur using gnome classic
[04:53] <scientes> wow
[05:02] <Darxus> ?
[05:20] <scientes> i thought you said you switched FROM gnome-classic, i.e. upgrade
[05:21] <scientes> and were just complaining over the new alt-tab behavior that some people dislike
[05:25] <Darxus> No.  I was looking for a @#%!@# menu of applications to go through to see if they worked with wayland.
[05:26] <Darxus> Although I do also find the unity alt-tab behavior infuriating, not being able to get back to a specific gnome-terminal without waiting for it to shitf the view.
[05:27] <Darxus> But the alt-tab bug is known: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/971051
[06:11] <Yaaaaaa> is it possible to install an oneiric package in precise?
[06:15] <scientes> Yaaaaaa, yes, but not all packages
[06:16] <scientes> cause you might break your system
[06:16] <scientes> Yaaaaaa, what package?
[06:16] <Yaaaaaa> scientes: gtkpod
[06:17] <Yaaaaaa> I just found a guide about apt showpkg packagename but there is only the one I have installed available I need the one from oneiric ( the new one just crashes)
[06:17] <scientes> Yaaaaaa, it wont work with an iPod that has been connected to iTunes at all recently if you do that
[06:17] <Yaaaaaa> I've never connected it to itunes
[06:18] <scientes> Yaaaaaa, you should report that bug
[06:18] <Yaaaaaa> it just crashes all the time. and all the time on "add files"
[06:18] <scientes> sudo apt-get install gtkpod-dbg gdb
[06:18] <Yaaaaaa> oneiric it worked fine.
[06:18] <scientes> and then launch it with gdb gtkpod
[06:18] <scientes> then type "run"
[06:18] <scientes> and after it crashes type "bt"
[06:18] <scientes> and then copy the backtrace and report a bug with a copy of it
[06:21] <scientes> Yaaaaaa, it doesn't exactly work like that, there are many thing that could be causing it to crash, and they might not be the top lvl binary at all
[06:21] <scientes> (although you can try)
[06:21] <scientes> it would really help if you got a backtrace
[06:21] <Yaaaaaa> working on it
[06:21] <scientes> by fallowing those instruction i gave
[06:21] <scientes> awesome!
[06:22] <scientes> it might be doing it itsself if you get that "error happened" window
[06:22] <scientes> but the manual way also works
[06:22] <Yaaaaaa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/918468/
[06:24] <scientes> dont see that one here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtkpod/+bugs
[06:24] <scientes> so you should report it with "ubuntu-bug gtkpod"
[06:24] <Yaaaaaa> what does it mean?
[06:24] <scientes> i cant tell
[06:25] <scientes> does the program say anything right before or after that?
[06:25] <scientes> cause libc is giving an error "raise"
[06:25] <scientes> we should get what that error is
[06:25] <scientes> the program might print it when it is dying
[06:25] <Yaaaaaa> no it just dies when I select the folder I want to add to my ipod
[06:26] <Yaaaaaa> completely closes and prints some crap to the terminal
[06:26] <scientes> what does it print, paste that
[06:27] <Yaaaaaa> 7ff3e42c8000-7ff3e4315000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 1702512                    /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.0
[06:27] <Yaaaaaa> 7ff3e4315000-7ff3e4515000 ---p 0004d000 08:01 1702512                    /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.0Aborted (core dumped)
[06:27] <scientes> ahh, very none-useful
[06:28] <scientes> well try this http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/universe/g/gtkpod/gtkpod_2.1.0-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/universe/g/gtkpod/gtkpod-data_2.1.0-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:29] <scientes> and do "ubuntu-bug gtkpod" and then copy everything youve pasted so far into it, along with what you said you did when it crashed
[06:29] <scientes> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/gtkpod
 what does it mean?
[06:31] <scientes> the backtrace says what the program was doing when it crashed, to some degree, helps people know where to look for problems
[06:32] <scientes> #9  0x00007fffe77be747 in add_selected_dirs
[06:32] <scientes> precisely what you said :P
[06:33] <Yaaaaaa> how do I install that .deb since I have newer ver installed already
[06:33] <scientes> use dpkg -i
[06:33] <scientes> *sudo dpkg -i
[06:33] <Yaaaaaa> I never meant to upgrade to precise early >.< I thought it came out april 1st so Iclicked "update"
[06:33] <scientes> well the only thing that makes it ready to release, is people reporting bugs and getting them fixed
[06:35] <Yaaaaaa> I don't have a launchpad account
[06:35] <Yaaaaaa> or I would
[06:35] <scientes> and you dont want to sign up? is covers everything ubuntu
[06:36] <Yaaaaaa> im lazy
[06:43] <Yaaaaaa> thanks for the help :-)
[06:49] <Yaaaaaa> I reported the bug
[06:49] <Yaaaaaa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtkpod/+bug/975755
[07:44] <xrdodrx> I cannot get middle mouse emulation to work in Precise
[07:44] <xrdodrx> Following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Quirks#A2-button_Mice does not work :(
[07:45] <xrdodrx> It did in 11.10
[07:49] <xrdodrx> But xinput set-prop "Primax Kensington Eagle Trackball" 257 1 does work
[07:49] <xrdodrx> I wonder why?
[09:09] <nonix4> which pkg to file a bug against for this? $ sudo pvdisplay /dev/sdb10  #   Failed to read physical volume "/dev/sdb10"    # $ udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/sdb10  # ... E: ID_FS_TYPE=LVM2_member
[09:16] <nonix4> (so far precise seems to be able to access only about one fourth of storage on this 'puter, rest gives such errors)
[09:57] <nonix4> hmm, case of pebcak it seems... user error on my side :)
[10:13] <doda> hi folks, till when can i upload localisation from precise?, i just tested the daily build and the installer is missing a lot of strings for my language
[10:20] <jokerdino> doda: look into this https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/
[10:33] <doda> jokerdino: thanka
[10:33] <doda> *thanks
[10:34] <MCR> Anyone who got xorg-edgers PPA installed on 12.04 and has Intel gfx ?
[10:36] <MCR> Yesterdays xorg-server update killed X for me. Purging the PPA would mean a lot of work as it suggests to remove loads of installed packages.
[10:36] <astraljava> Sadly I just returned the laptop a few days ago. :-/
[10:36] <MCR> astraljava: Hi. My 12.04 installation is not blessed :P
[10:36] <astraljava> MCR: Hmm... tricky. Can you pastebinit the Xorg.0.log ?
[10:37] <MCR> I am on another physical machine right now, so it would be complicated...
[10:37] <astraljava> MCR: It's also possible that the edgers just haven't kept up, but will do so in a few days.
[10:37] <astraljava> MCR: You don't have ssh access to it?
[10:38] <MCR> yes I know. That is my hope. Or my hope was to wake up, make an update and have X back again, but no.
[10:38] <astraljava> Oh, this isn't ufoai channel. Heh. :)
[10:39] <htorque> purging the ppa is as simple as downgrading the packages, that shouldn't remove other packages.
[10:39] <htorque> "sudo apt-get install foo/precise" will downgrade to the precise version of foo.
[10:40] <MCR> htorque: It suggests to remove many other packages, so I did not do it yet...
[10:41] <MCR> I am trying to get in contact with ricotz, who maintains the PPA - I will wait for his suggestion...
[10:41] <MCR> Just wanted to know if I'm alone ;)
[10:42] <astraljava> MCR: "You'll never walk alone..." :D
[10:42]  * astraljava is somewhat of a 'pool fan
[10:43] <MCR> The funny stuff: I am on Linux Mint 9 (Ubuntu 10.04) here now, Docky is working perfectly here and startup time of the system is incredible fast. Emerald worx also, maybe the best solution is to go back :-D
[10:43] <MCR> but I want Unity back :)
[10:43] <astraljava> Well, sure, but it'll only be supported for another year anymore. :)
[10:44] <MCR> yes, was just joking.
[10:44] <astraljava> Yep. :)
[10:45] <MCR> Patience seems to be the key here...
[10:45]  * MCR is not very patient unfortunately...
[10:45] <astraljava> Especially over the Easter it might be. I believe not many people are working on the release atm.
[10:46] <MCR> yep - probably:-/
[10:47] <doda> using a bleeding edgde ppa for xorg on an LTS seems messed up :D
[10:47] <MCR> Please do not hurt me ;)
[10:48] <doda> ah, lol, you mean you are on an lts at the moment?
[10:59] <marjorie> Hi, I have a problem with ia32-libs. How can i delete it?
[10:59] <MCR> sudo apt-get remove ia32-libs
[11:17] <Onlyodin> Has the default wallpaper changed for Precise?
[11:17] <jokerdino> yes it did Onlyodin
[11:19] <Onlyodin> Then I'm not going crazy. Looks like a tinge of the old colour scheme has crept back in
[11:19] <jokerdino> i guess so
[11:24] <MCR> you can now install several ubuntu-wallpapers packages...
[11:28] <Almindor> hey
[11:28] <Almindor> I just updated to 12.04 beta and am seeing 2 visual issues, wondering if this is known
[11:28] <Almindor> 1st is that my java/swing application's main menu is themed wrongly (almost invisible now, font of unselected menu is black on black)
[11:29] <Almindor> if I select the menu it's white
[11:29] <Almindor> second is an odd "multiplication" of scrollbacks if I scroll , I noticed this only in the android SDK application
[11:29] <Almindor> system is x86_64 with nvidia GTS 250 (binary driver)
[11:30] <Almindor> anyone else had these kind of visual issues?
[11:32] <Onlyodin> Almindor, have you tried the noveau drivers?
[11:33] <Almindor> no, I use 3d capabilities (gaming, development, shaders) which the noveau wouldn't provide
[11:34] <Almindor> the swing menu thing looks like a java/swing theming bug to me tho
[11:34] <Onlyodin> Understood, but perhaps you should try the noveau driver to confirm it's not that.
[11:34] <Almindor> well I can do a swintcher and see
[11:38] <stegbth> hello everybody
[11:38] <stegbth> how does the udev rules work?
[11:38] <stegbth> there are some /etc/udev/rules.d/
[11:39] <lucas-arg> hey guys, im having problems with ubuntu startup, sometimes it stops booting with caps lock key blinking...
[11:39] <penguin42> lucas-arg: how often?
[11:39] <stegbth> other are in /lib/udev/rules.d
[11:40] <lucas-arg> penguin42: pretty often... i have to restart the pc to boot normally
[11:40] <lucas-arg> penguin42: i thought i was something related with wifi or something like that
[11:40] <lucas-arg> penguin42: im lost
[11:40] <penguin42> lucas-arg: And how far does it get before it dies?
[11:41] <lucas-arg> penguin42: not too much, ive disable splash screen to try to check where is the problem
[11:41] <Almindor> it seems both the visual problems happen with all 3 drivers (nvidia-current, nvidia-updates and the oss driver)
[11:42] <Almindor> I'm unable to screenshot the tearing of the scrollbar tho
[11:42] <Almindor> it refreshes the window on printscreen it seems
[11:44] <lucas-arg> i think its an ubuntu kernel problem, i havent have this issue with anyother distribution but ubuntu brand... even mint
[11:45] <Almindor> managed to get a screenshot with timeout function
[11:47] <Almindor> http://derp.co.uk/89ac3
[11:47] <Almindor> http://derp.co.uk/a2907
[11:48] <penguin42> lucas-arg: Yeh a crash with flashing keyboard lights is normally a kernel panic - it's quite difficult to debug when it only happens sometimes and very early; if you can disable the splash and stuff then you have a chance of being able to catch the text of the panic and that might tell you what it is caused by
[11:50] <lucas-arg> penguin42: is there any log file i can check at least paste so someone can find out whats going wrong?? I think its a wifi card issue, since gnome-networkmanager was working awefull for me i had to uninstall it and use wicd
[11:51] <penguin42> lucas-arg: That depends how far it gets and how it crashes (and whether it has a chance to write to the disk)
[11:51] <penguin42> lucas-arg: You could check /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/dmesg*
[11:52] <lucas-arg> penguin42: ill check them when i get the crash....
[11:54] <penguin42> lucas-arg: But it's probably best if you try and get the boot to always show you the boot messages so that when it next fails you can see it
[11:55] <lucas-arg> penguin42: i deleted quiet splash from the kernel boot options...
[11:56] <penguin42> lucas-arg: You might try the nt.handoff= as well
[11:56] <penguin42> vt
[11:56] <lucas-arg> penguin42: whats that option for
[11:57] <penguin42> lucas-arg: Not entirely sure, but it's virtual terminals
[12:10] <maxb> Boo, package upgrade uninstalled my current desktop wallpaper
[12:16] <osirisx11> hi all.. i am having trouble connecting my m-audio oxygen 8 midi keyboard (by usb) to ubuntu studio.. it is listed in lmms input dropdown but not showing up at all in jack
[12:21] <Kyshtynbai> Hi everyone! I't trying to build a nautilus script in 12.04 and ./configure returns the following error: No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[12:21] <astraljava> osirisx11: Hi, could you pastebin what lsusb tells you?
[12:22] <Kyshtynbai> what packege should I install to satisfy such dependence?
[12:22] <osirisx11> astraljava: http://pastebin.com/u6VM6tJa my lsusb
[12:23] <astraljava> Kyshtynbai: Most likely libgtk2.0-dev
[12:25] <Kyshtynbai> thanks
[12:26] <astraljava> osirisx11: I'm not sure whether this'll work, I'm not seeing any promising lines from that, but try these instructions: http://ricardocabello.com/blog/post/533
[12:26] <astraljava> osirisx11: Oh, just noticed it's quite outdated.
[12:26] <spacebug-> is there no icon for user account indicator for the ubuntu-mono-light theme? Changing from Ambiance to Radiance makes all other icons go dark (since the menu goes light) but that icon is still light and hard to see
[12:27] <astraljava> osirisx11: But the midisport-firmware package seems to be in precise, still, so it's worth a shot.
[12:28] <astraljava> osirisx111: Also, if you stumble into problems getting it work, I found the link @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1603512, there are helpful further explanations on how to use it.
[12:28] <Daekdroom> spacebug-, that icon will change when you start Unity again, I believe
[12:29] <Almindor> what was added in 12.04 that interferes with alt+[q, w or e for example]?
[12:29] <osirisx111> astraljava: yeah.. it isn't showing in lsusb.. but i know it is connected to usb because it is powered BY usb and it is on
[12:29] <Almindor> it's virtually a game-breaker feature (many games use alt + key for quickslots etc. essential stuff, example one is Heroes of Newerth where alt+q no longer works)
[12:30] <stegbth> hm, when i connect a smartcard reader, /dev/ttyUSB0 get owned by group dialout, insteat of pcscd. even when i have 40-libifd-cyberjack6.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[12:30] <osirisx111> ill try restarting
[12:30] <stegbth> there i have ATTR{idVendor}=="0c4b", ATTR{idProduct}=="0100", and lsusb shows me the device as 0c4b:0100
[12:31] <spacebug-> Daekdroom: hum ok
[12:31] <stegbth> why does this happen?
[12:31] <Almindor> ah it's the damn HUD
[12:31] <Almindor> I'd suggest you disable the thing by default, or at least don't catch ALT while fullscreen games are running (if at all detectable...)
[12:33] <osirisx11> didn't work.. still does not show in lsusb! what could cause it to not show up at all in lsusb?
[12:34] <astraljava> osirisx11: Have you tried another USB port? Otherwise, I have no idea, sorry.
[12:34] <osirisx11> i've tried two ports
[12:35] <astraljava> osirisx11: tail -f /var/log/syslog when you stick it in, maybe you will find some clues there.
[12:35]  * astraljava steps out the door for a bit
[12:36] <osirisx11> nothing
[12:36] <stegbth> my battery is gone. i will try reconnect from an other machine
[12:58] <termen> Hi all, I run ubuntu 12.04 and I have  a problem/bug with my memory. The longer my machine runs, the fuller the memory gets and finally an application is killed to free memory.
[13:00] <penguin42> termen: If you open the system monitor and look for things using lots of memory does something in particular grow over time?
[13:01] <jst> to install latest gnome 3.4 shall I add any ppa, or the packages in the repository are sufficient?
[13:02] <jst> i mean gnome shell 3.4
[13:02] <penguin42> jst: Think it's in the main repo
[13:03] <termen> if i close all applications, memory is not freed
[13:03] <termen> memory is "lost". no application is using it.
[13:05] <termen> when I restart my system i have ~1GB free. Then I use my system and after some time, there is arrount ~100MB free. (I use top watch my processes).
[13:06] <penguin42> termen: OK, so if you are using top, get it to sort by memory used and see which process is growing
[13:06] <jst> penguin42, actually it is, but some packages are still 3.2
[13:06] <jst> back to ubuntu after 4 months of arch :)
[13:06] <jst> ubuntu is so relaxing :)
[13:06] <penguin42> haha, not tried Arch
[13:07] <jst> pengui42, actually it's very good... I enjoyed very much using it and learned a lot... but Ubuntu simply works :)
[13:07] <itaylor57> jst, well i went to freebsd myself
[13:07] <jst> itaylor57, that will be the next step :)
[13:11] <termen> none specific. top says have plenty of unused ram:
[13:11] <termen> 23% java, 11% firefox, 5% empaty, 4% rytmbox, 10* <2%. total <1GB used.
[13:11] <termen> free reports:
[13:11] <termen> total mem: 2GB
[13:11] <termen> used mem: 1975288
[13:11] <termen> free mem: 75112
[13:11] <termen> shared: 0
[13:11] <termen> buffers: 31856
[13:11] <termen> cached: 23675
[13:11] <termen> so somehow the memory is disappearing, isnt it?
[13:11] <penguin42> termen: Please use pastebin for pasting large stuff!
[13:12] <termen> sorry. I will do so in future.
[13:13] <penguin42> termen: So your 23% in Java seems quite a bit, the interesting thing is to get the same figures in an hour or so when it's nearer to being full and see what's grown
[13:15] <termen> @penguin42 as you can see from above free output, its almost full. i have only 100 mb free ram (plus 200mb cached), but applications use only about 1GB. That means, about 700MB of ram was "lost".
[13:15] <termen> within 4 hours of usage.
[13:16] <penguin42> termen: Can you pastebin the whole of 'free' for me?
[13:21] <termen> http://pastebin.com/nhg7dUT3
[13:25] <Atlantic777> Hi! How safe it is to upgrade to 12.04 now? I need to do the upgrade on all of my machines but can't wait (I have a free week now...). Should I wait?
[13:28] <penguin42> Atlantic777: Mostly it's OK but still hit a few things now and again and it could still break horribly
[13:29] <penguin42> Atlantic777: I'd work one machine at a time starting with the one you'd least have a problem with if you had to fix it
[13:30] <penguin42> Atlantic777: Are they all similar hardware?
[13:31] <Atlantic777> penguin42: no, netbok (intel atom), amd64 mobile laptop, and amd64 (full) desktop
[13:31] <Atlantic777> desktop is father's it has to work - always, there's 10.04 now
[13:32] <penguin42> Atlantic777: Haha yes I know what you mean, I did my fathers machine a couple of days ago
[13:32] <Atlantic777> I was about to start the clean install on all three.
[13:32] <penguin42> Atlantic777: Do one at a time I'd say, it'll probably OK unless you hit a hardware-specific issue
[13:33] <Atlantic777> penguin42: there's no some exotic hardware. I'm just worried about beta->release transition.
[13:33] <termen> Atlantic777: I would not upgrade you fathers machine, because of unity.
[13:33] <penguin42> Atlantic777: Oh the release transition isn't normally a big problem; the bigger problem is whether there are still bugs being fixed that occasionally break something again
[13:33] <Atlantic777> my bad, it's 11.04, with unity
[13:33] <Atlantic777> that's not a problem
[13:34] <penguin42> termen: Hey it always depends on the father :-) I gave him 12.04 install but put the MATE Gnome2 clone on it - he's happy
[13:35] <Atlantic777> I should try MATE then... :)
[13:35] <termen> As always, it depends ...
[13:36] <Atlantic777> well, after 2 years on gentoo, how horrible can it be with 12.04 bugs? :D
[13:36] <penguin42> Atlantic777: Heck oh it'll be easy :-)
[13:37] <Atlantic777> Then the problem is solved. Thanks. :)
[13:37] <doda> you don't need mate, gnome classic works fine
[13:38] <termen> is gnome classic still available in 12.04?
[13:38] <penguin42> doda: Tried it, it's still not as classic as 2
[13:41] <termen> penguin42: do you have an idea how to fix this memory issue?
[13:41] <penguin42> termen: Sorry, missed your pastebin - just let me look at ti
[13:43] <penguin42> termen: That 'free' isn't actually too bad  - a lot of the memory is in the buffers/cache which will automatically free itself when needed, so don't worry about it; from the top it looks like the Java is the big boy, but repeat the same thing in a little while and see what's growing
[13:48] <topyli> after your machine runs for a while, linux will happily use all available memory and even swap some. it's not a problem
[13:49] <penguin42> topyli: Yeh but he's getting some out-of-memories - and that shouldn't happen!  So the trick is to figure out the figures that are important
[13:51] <topyli> sure, the kernel might have all kinds of memory management issues, but that's how it's designed to be. when it doesn't work, *then* there is a problem :)
[13:51] <penguin42> nod
[14:11] <jaison1> How do I add shutdown to dash again?  I think yesterday's updates removed it.
[14:34] <john_892> Depending on what update you did...shutdown and restart are no longer in dash
[14:38] <maxb> Hmm. Mounted removable drives don't seem to be showing up in my launcher any more, either
[14:38] <maxb> to CCSM!
[14:41] <maxb> Weird, my "Show Devices" setting had ended up on Never
[14:44] <Daekdroom> Shutdown and restart aren't in Dash anymore because they're available through HUD
[14:46] <pangolin> Where do I put the libflashplayer.so file I got from Adobe?
[14:50] <astraljava> $ ll /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[14:50] <astraljava> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Mar 29 18:57 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[14:51] <astraljava> And then that points to /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer
[14:53] <pangolin> thank you
[14:56] <CJKay> For future reference, anyone that uses an Intel HDA soundcard, specifically on the Dell L501X, should refer to http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel
[14:57] <CJKay> Worked for me, after trying out just about every other supposed bugfix on earth
[15:20] <MCR> xorg-edgers PPA for intel gfx is fixed again
[15:20] <ubuntu1004> buona sera!
[15:28] <atpa8a> hey
[15:28] <atpa8a> teach me some linux :P
[15:28] <atpa8a> latest kernel fails and reboot with xen... how can i capture the output?
[15:57] <penguin42> atpa8a: I thought you could get a text console with one of the xen command line tools; years since I used xen though
[15:57] <atpa8a> penguin42: the error happens when xen loads the kernel or initramfs
[15:58] <penguin42> atpa8a: How do you know?
[15:59] <atpa8a> by the messages... also 3.2.0-20 does load fine, but 3.2.0-22 fails
[15:59] <penguin42> pastebin the messages?
[15:59] <atpa8a> that's what i need to figure out :)
[16:00] <atpa8a> for 3.2.0-22 it prints the panic (i think) and reboots
[16:00] <atpa8a> question is how can i capture that
[16:00] <penguin42> oh, before you have the chance to capture it?
[16:00] <atpa8a> yup
[16:00] <penguin42> atpa8a: How are you starting it?
[16:01] <atpa8a> xen hypervisor then the kernel
[16:02] <penguin42> atpa8a: what command are you using?
[16:02] <atpa8a> you mean? it's just grub
[16:04] <penguin42> atpa8a: Hang on a sec, is it the host that's rebooting or a xen guest?
[16:04] <atpa8a> the host
[16:04] <penguin42> oh ok, sorry
[16:05] <atpa8a> np :) good thing it works with 3.2.0-20 and i can even start a couple of guests
[16:05] <penguin42> atpa8a: Try adding panic=120 to the command line, that should wait a couple of minutes before reboot
[16:06] <atpa8a> cool, will try
[16:06] <atpa8a> now... http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Assign_Hardware_to_DomU_with_PCIBack_as_module
[16:06] <atpa8a> trying to translate that to ubuntu
[16:06] <atpa8a> created /etc/modprobe.d/install-mpt2sas.conf
[16:06] <penguin42> atpa8a: You're trying to pass the RAID card to the guest?
[16:07] <penguin42> hairy!
[16:07] <atpa8a> trying :) not sure will do that
[16:07] <atpa8a> didn't work with other distros
[16:07] <penguin42> I'd get the rest to work solidly first!
[16:07] <atpa8a> just thought i've a guest setup, so might as well test it
[16:08] <atpa8a> penguin42: it all seems good, on a 3.2.0-20 kernel
[16:09] <atpa8a> softdep mpt2sas pre: xen-pciback
[16:09] <atpa8a> oops
[16:09] <atpa8a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/919055/
[16:12] <lucaspeng> I am trying out 12.04, whenever I try to change or create keyboard shortcut, system setting crash. Is this normal?
[16:13] <Daekdroom> It shouldn't happen.
[16:13] <lucaspeng> I am using a fresh install beta2.
[16:13] <Daekdroom> Let me check if it happens to me too
[16:13] <Daekdroom> Try updating
[16:14] <lucaspeng> already update to latest using main server.
[16:14] <Daekdroom> then it's not a fresh install ^o)
[16:14] <Daekdroom> Oh wait. I see what you mean.
[16:15] <Daekdroom> Well, it didn't crash for me.
[16:16] <lucaspeng> I meant I installed beta2 and then update.
[16:17] <lucaspeng> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/932551
[16:18] <atpa8a> penguin42: note tho... that the modprobe.d stuff doesn't matter for the kernel crash
[16:19] <penguin42> atpa8a: You mean it crashes with or without it?
[16:19] <Daekdroom> lucaspeng, that bug is a duplicate for a bug report that is marked as 'fix release'
[16:19] <Daekdroom> but it is possible it started happening again after other update.
[16:19] <Daekdroom> *released
[16:19] <AlfE_> hello
[16:19] <atpa8a> penguin42: yes, but only 3.2.0-22
[16:19] <atpa8a> penguin42: 3.2.0-20 works with or without
[16:20] <atpa8a> the modprobe.d trick itself doesn't seem to work
[16:20] <AlfE_> i can't set usb storage devices to automatically mount everytime i plug them in
[16:20] <atpa8a> i've a hunch that it's somewhere in initramfs but update-initramfs doesn't seem to bring that module config into it
[16:20] <penguin42> atpa8a: OK, so add that panic=120 thing and see what 3.2.0-22 does
[16:21] <Peace-> intel 945gm , unable to get 3d
[16:21] <Peace-> glxinfo
[16:21] <Peace-> name of display: :0
[16:22] <Peace-> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation
[16:24] <AlfE_> in xsession-errors it says plasma-desktop(3255)/plasma StatusNotifierItemSource::refreshCallback: DBusMenu disabled for this application
[16:24] <atpa8a> penguin42: didn't work if i add it to the kernel... let's see if it helps if i add it to the hypervisor
[16:27] <penguin42> atpa8a: I can't remember the details of how xen boots, you're probably best asking in a xen channel
[16:27] <atpa8a> i am :)
[16:27] <atpa8a> didn't help for the hypervisor either
[16:27] <atpa8a> penguin42: any comment on modprobe.d stuff?
[16:27] <lucaspeng> Daekdroom, I found the reason. I tried to use keybinding like Ctrl-Alt-Q, but windows manager interpret it as ctrl-q, so the window close.
[16:28] <penguin42> atpa8a: Nah, I've never tried to pass a device through
[16:28] <atpa8a> but just in general... am i doing it right?
[16:28] <lucaspeng> Daekdroom, but I always use this short cut in previous version.
[16:29] <atpa8a> penguin42: just the modprobe.d stuff :) not the specific modules
[16:30] <penguin42> atpa8a: I'd be tempted to add ' around the (...) bit, I've never used the softdep bit
[16:31] <atpa8a> penguin42: even install mpt2sas /sbin/modprobe etc. didn't work
[16:31] <atpa8a> wouldn't mpt2sas driver initialized in the initrd?
[16:31] <atpa8a> and thus before the modprobe gets into the picture?
[16:32] <penguin42> atpa8a: I'd think it would get pulled in in initrd, but I think update-initrd pulls various bits of config in, now where it pulls in the module config from I can't rmeember
[16:33] <atpa8a> ok :) penguin42, thanks a bunch
[16:33] <atpa8a> i'll see if i can make some sense out of it
[16:34] <atpa8a> hmm
[16:34] <atpa8a> it did pull my modprobe.d into the initrd...
[16:38] <penguin42> atpa8a: So is this what broke your .22 ?
[16:38] <atpa8a> nope
[16:38] <atpa8a> it wasn't working before i started messing with modprobe.d
[16:38] <georgelappies> hi all, when my screen goes into standby mode (switches of) one of the cores of the laptop starts running at max, as soon as I log back in it drops to normal. How can I determine what this process is thats doing this?
[16:38] <penguin42> georgelappies: Can you login remotely via ssh?
[16:40] <atpa8a> penguin42: i got it i think! needed to add xen-pciback to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[16:41] <penguin42> atpa8a: Ah yeh, so it'll generally add all the modules you think you'll need to get your root and any other critical filesystems
[16:43] <atpa8a> and now! tada!
[16:43] <atpa8a>  sudo xm pci-list-assignable-devices
[16:43] <atpa8a> 0000:01:00.0
[16:43] <ssfdre38> hey how can i give my java more ram?
[16:43] <georgelappies> penguin42: good idea, let me set that up
[16:43] <atpa8a> ssfdre38: -Xmx, google it
[16:43] <penguin42> georgelappies: Then just watch top remotely
[16:45] <Monotoko> hey guys
[16:45] <Monotoko> how do I set a screensaver in 12.04?
[16:47] <atpa8a> hmm
[16:47] <atpa8a> same result tho...
[16:48] <atpa8a> i can see the scsi card in the guest but a PV on the raid is not recognized
[16:48] <penguin42> atpa8a: Can you see partitions or other data on it?
[16:49] <atpa8a> hmm
[16:49] <penguin42> or for that matter do the discs show up in /proc/scsi/scsi in the guest or /proc/partitions?
[16:50] <atpa8a> nothing in /proc/partitions
[16:50] <atpa8a> /proc/scsi/scsi is empty
[16:50] <penguin42> does the mpt sas module load in the guest?
[16:50] <atpa8a> shows loaded
[16:50] <penguin42> anything in dmesg from it?
[16:50] <penguin42> (in the guest)
[16:51] <atpa8a> hmm
[16:51] <atpa8a> mpt2sas0: _base_event_notification: timeout
[16:51] <atpa8a> mpt2sas0: failure at drivers/scsi/mpt2sas/mpt2sas_scsih.c:7628/_scsih_probe()!
[16:51] <atpa8a> no worky :( same as with another distro host
[16:52] <penguin42> atpa8a: If I had to guess I'd guess at problems with interrupting mapping into the guest - it's not trivial
[16:52] <atpa8a> hmm
[16:53] <atpa8a> alright :) scratch that idea then
[16:53] <atpa8a> just wanted to retest in ubuntu
[16:53] <penguin42> atpa8a: It might be possible, don't know - things like some of the VT extensions on the hardware are supposed to help - but never tried to do it
[16:54] <atpa8a> seems like it's at best untested to pci passthru a scsi controller
[16:54] <atpa8a> penguin42: i've all the VT-d stuff in the hardware and iommu is enabled
[16:54] <penguin42> atpa8a: You've made sure the host hasn't loaded the mpt sas controller?
[16:55] <atpa8a> with the other distro (i think Arch) that i tried i got the same result
[16:55] <atpa8a> penguin42: yes, the pv/vg disappeared from the host
[16:55] <atpa8a> #xen said then that it's very untested
[16:55] <atpa8a> they mostly passthru vga cards and some such
[16:56] <atpa8a> which i imagine is a lot different then scsi controllers
[16:57] <penguin42> atpa8a: It looks like someone has managed it on KVM http://www.mail-archive.com/kvm@vger.kernel.org/msg14124.html
[16:57] <penguin42> atpa8a: There are two challenges, the address mapping and the interrupt mapping
[16:59] <penguin42> anyway, time for some TV
[17:00] <atpa8a> enjoy
[17:00] <atpa8a> thanks for your help
[17:01] <georgelappies> penguin42: it is compiz, as soon as the screen blacks out it maxes one of the cores at 100%
[17:01] <hellyeah> is someone know how can i take file from ftp address in browser to my home folder
[17:05] <georgelappies> penguin42: i was running proprietary amd driver, just uninstalled it and will reboot and test again
[17:07] <Monotoko> hmm.. any way to set a screensaver in 12.04 guys? I can't find it :c
[17:09] <hellyeah> why 12.04 executes application late
[17:09] <hellyeah> ?
[17:28] <kaziweb>  whenever I click on cairo doc's application applet Ubuntu software center opens at the same time. can any one help me? I'm using 12.04
[17:36] <georgelappies> ok confirmed it, when using the ati proprietary driver, compiz maxes at 100% usage when screens dims out. Using the kernel Mesa driver this doesn't happen.
[17:40] <bjsnider> !find /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxul.pc
[17:44] <jamjam> hi, why can't 11.10 & 12.04 recognize my radeon hd 5570? ubuntu logo shows up on installation but hangs with random pixels :/
[17:48] <davidF> hey all. I have a quick question. I am trying to install 12.04 and I keep getting a black screen Help?
[17:49] <davidF> note: I am on my phone. sorry for any typos
[17:50] <davidF> if I use nomodeset I can boot in, but then when trying to go through the actual install I get an error
[17:51] <davidF> i am using an early 2009 iMac
[17:52] <FreeRun> hi
[17:53] <davidF> hey
[17:53] <FreeRun> i have problem with "F10" shortcut, cannot to disable
[17:53] <FreeRun> solution with adding file in gtk3 folder
[17:53] <FreeRun> don;t work coz i don't have such folder
[17:53] <FreeRun> any oher options in keybord, gconf and compiz preferences don't work
[17:58] <penguin42> atpa8a: One of the things in that message I pointed you to says they were using MSI - if you can persuade the guest and host to do the same it might be a better bet
[17:59] <davidF> any help from anyone? :(
[18:02] <penguin42> davidF: What error?
[18:03] <davidF> i do not recall off hand. I deleted the partition and am now retrying.
[18:03] <davidF> from scratch
[18:05] <penguin42> always good to get the exact error!
[18:07] <davidF> ha ha ha  okay. new error.
[18:08] <Wolfsherz> hello, someone else having problems with the close button on the top left in fullscreen applications? it is not round but looks somewhat wierd, cannot describe it well, because my english is not that good. the button should be round, but it looks like two buttons overlap just a few pixels...
[18:09] <davidF> partition 1 on dev/sdb have been written but we have been unabke to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result
[18:10] <davidF> the old partitions will remain in use. You should probably restart before makibg further changes
[18:10] <davidF> hiw can i restart in the middle ofinstalling?
[18:10] <penguin42> davidF: Hmm it shouldn't do that - were you running the installer on it's own or from the 'try ubuntu' bit ?
[18:13] <davidF> From try ubuntu. because of the  error i got before, which was just a black screen woth an uunderscore, i found a tutorial to fix it by turning off... something, i forget it verbatim, but then it said expicitly to use try ubuntu
[18:14] <penguin42> davidF: OK, make sure before you run the installer you haven't got any of the partitions on the disk mounted
[18:17] <davidf> oops ha ha
[18:17] <davidf> oha! this is the error i got!
[18:18] <davidf> executing 'grub-install/dev/sda' failed This is a fatal error
[18:19] <davidf> is this related to the black screen i got earlierk?
[18:20] <penguin42> davidf: Don't think so; the black screen sounds like a graphics problem (given it was fixed with nomodeset), that sounds like a problem with grub/efi or something similar being a Mac - please file a bug
[18:20] <davidf> and then i get a x"installer crashed" notification.
[18:21] <penguin42> davidf: So assuming you have a launchpad account, open a terminal and run    ubuntu-bug ubiquity   and it'll file the install logs
[18:22] <davidf> i will file a bug later. My internet is borked for awhile lol. whoch os why my Is are not capittalized and there aee letters next to punctuation
[18:22] <penguin42> davidf: OK
[18:22] <penguin42>  ZfoodX
[18:32] <Wolfsherz> hello, someone else having problems with the close button on the top left in fullscreen applications? it is not round but looks somewhat wierd, cannot describe it well, because my english is not that good. the button should be round, but it looks like two buttons overlap just a few pixels...
[18:38] <trism> Wolfsherz: probably bug 927441 looks like it will be fixed in 5.10.0
[18:39] <Wolfsherz> oh many thanks trism  :)
[18:48] <plut0> i just upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 and the bootup process never finishes, i'm stuck at the ubuntu screen, i can however ssh in to troubleshoot. dmesg: http://pastebin.com/fhMzjP4D
[18:53] <penguin42> plut0: OK, so it seems it doesn't like the graphics driver - please bug report that, and then I think your best chance is probably to try installing the Nvidia binary driver if it supports your card
[19:03] <atpa8a> hmm
[19:03] <atpa8a> penguin42: i noticed that too
[19:11] <maxb> What on earth is apport doing when I click "SHow details" on a crash?
[19:11] <maxb> >10 seconds to merely bring up the details of a crash report on modern hardware seems ... excessive
[19:14] <atpa8a> penguin42: tho... don't seem to be able to enable msi in the guest
[19:15] <penguin42> atpa8a: Hmm, not sure what to suggest then - I'd ask a xen specific channel
[19:20] <atpa8a> penguin42: found something
[19:20] <atpa8a> trying
[19:30] <atpa8a> penguin42: no luck :(
[20:00] <ggreer> the 11.10 installed had an option to encrypt the / partition. I don't see that in the 12.04 installer
[20:00] <ggreer> if I want everything encrypted (not just my home folder), how do I do that?
[20:00] <ggreer> *11.10 installer
[20:02] <astraljava> ggreer: You have to use the alternate installer.
[20:02] <ggreer> aw
[20:22] <lgp171188> When I open emacs in a X window in my up-to-date Ubuntu Precise 64-bit installation, I find that emacs window doesn't have a menu bar or a toolbar which I am sure were there in emacs on Oneiric. Is this expected behaviour or a known issue?
[20:24] <BarkingFish> evening guys. trying to install a flashplayer plugin for kubuntu 12.04, flashplugin-installer is installed but won't run, and can't get it from adobe's site - any ideas?
[20:26] <MrChrisDruif> !restricted | BarkingFish
[20:26] <MrChrisDruif> Should get you along I think, it *should* have been updated for precise
[20:26] <BarkingFish> Thank you MrChrisDruif - I know how I'm supposed to get it, what I'm saying is, I can't :)
[20:27] <BarkingFish> The adobe site has an apt for Ubuntu 10.04 and higher, but firefox won't open it as it doesn't know how, and the flashplugin-installer doesn't work. It won't install anything :)
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> Shouldn't that apt be opened by the software center?
[20:28] <BarkingFish> I use apper, but either way, Firefox won't touch it, and I have no idea how to configure it :)
[20:29] <yofel> BarkingFish: if you have partner enabled, install adobe-flashplugin instead
[20:29] <yofel> that's what I use + adobe-flash-properties-kde
[20:29] <BarkingFish> yofel: I don't think I have partner enabled in my pools, I'll check :)
[20:32] <BarkingFish> what would be the line for that, yofel? I tried deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise partner - do I need to include the main universe etc?
[20:36] <Dizzi_> hey all. I am having a wierd issue
[20:37] <Dizzi_> I just installed 12.04 beta 2 (first install in a long, long time) and my screen resolution can not go higher than 1280X768
[20:37] <Monotoko> does anyone know how I can have a screen saver in 12.04? My TV is a plasma so it may burn in without one :c
[20:37] <Dizzi_> when my monitors actual resolution is 1920X1200
[20:39] <bjsnider> Dizzi_, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:40] <Jeruvy> Monotoko, you don't get burn in on plasma's.  You may suffer from persistance. But it goes away.
[20:40] <bjsnider> since when?
[20:40] <Monotoko> Jeruvy, would still rather have a screensaver...
[20:40] <Monotoko> that's what they are for isn't it?
[20:41] <BarkingFish> yofel: I think Houston has a very big problem.  Somewhere on one of our pools, the precise-security pool, there's a Sources file which is shot.
[20:41] <BarkingFish> I don't know who needs to sort this, whether it's me (something bogged at my end) or if this is a pool issue, I suspect it's the other end.
[20:41] <Jeruvy> Monotoko, you could try this, http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/10/enable-screensavers-in-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot/
[20:42] <yofel> BarkingFish: define "shot"... hash sum mismatch?
[20:42] <BarkingFish> I'l PM you the error message
[20:42] <Monotoko> Jeruvy, thank you... do you know why they removed screen savers? Are they planning to put them back or not?
[20:43] <Jeruvy> Monotoko, I advocated eliminating them, so I couldn't say with any certainty.  Feel free to keep asking :)
[20:43] <Dizzi_> bjsnider how exactly? >_> been a long, long time
[20:43] <bjsnider> Dizzi_, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log from a terminal
[20:43] <Monotoko> Jeruvy, reasoning? I thought they looked quite nice (not after a flame war or anything, just curious)
[20:44] <Jeruvy> Monotoko, I think they are a waste of resources.
[20:44] <Monotoko> Jeruvy, human resources or machine resources?
[20:44] <Jeruvy> Monotoko, machine :)
[20:44] <Dizzi_> lokay bjsnider I've done that... what am I looking for?
[20:45] <Jeruvy> probably human also tho ;)
[20:45] <bjsnider> Dizzi_, just pastebin it
[20:46] <Monotoko> Jeruvy, I see... I'd just rather see something other than a blank screen when I press the ctrl+alt+L key  - is there any way to set it so it just shows the prompt for the password?
[20:46] <Dizzi_> bjsnider http://pastebin.com/Dvedpg7n I can see that it is reading my resolution right
[20:46] <Dizzi_> but it is just not displaying it correctly
[20:46] <Jeruvy> Monotoko, you're asking the wrong guy. Sorry.
[20:47] <bjsnider> Dizzi_, you're using the vesa graphics driver, is what the issue is
[20:48] <bjsnider> use a real driver
[20:49] <Dizzi_> Okay. is that because I'm on a macintosh? or just because it is a brand new install?
[20:49] <bjsnider> how old a mac is that?
[20:50] <Dizzi_> 09
[20:50] <ggreer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display#Screen_burn-in
[20:50] <bjsnider> even an old one should have underlying hardware that offers something better than vesa
[20:50] <ggreer> looks like plasma displays suffer from burn-in
[20:50] <Dizzi_> okay. hwo would I change/update them?
[20:51] <bjsnider> Dizzi_, pastebin this command: lspci
[20:53] <Monotoko> ... how do I take a screenshot? I'm trying to report a bug, pressing the print screen key and nothing is coming up... has it changed from how it used to be? (I ran 10.04 up until a few days ago... so I'm trying to learn my way around, bear with me!)
[20:53] <Dizzi_> http://pastebin.com/Hh5QxQfE
[20:54] <Monotoko> ahhh... it won't print screen while I'm right clicked -.-
[20:54] <Dizzi_> lol
[20:54] <bjsnider> oh good. they picked nvidia and broadcom. no issues there...
[20:55] <bjsnider> i thought they used all-intel
[20:55] <Dizzi_> late 2009 uses all intel I blieve, with the i5 processors etc.
[20:55] <Dizzi_> mine is early 09
[20:55] <bjsnider> well, the preferred driver for that stuff is nouveau. no idea why it isn't being autoselected
[20:56] <bjsnider> it should be in the aforementioned log, but you only pastebinned part of it
[20:56] <Dizzi_> nope. that's everything that came up
[20:56] <bjsnider> no
[20:57] <bjsnider> you used cat
[20:57] <bjsnider> use gedit or something and you'll see all of it
[20:57] <Dizzi_> unless I need to do cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log and then lspci in the same window?
[21:03] <ggreer> I'm trying to use the alternate installer and I get an error about no kernel modules found
[21:03] <Dizzi_> oops
[21:04] <Dizzi_> okay. so; how can I fix this issue bjsnider?
[21:04] <Dizzi_> Would simply installing something from the software centre work?
[21:05] <Dizzi_> I tried installing "firmware for nvidia graphics cards'
[21:06] <ggreer> this is the 12.04 beta 2 for i386
[21:06] <Dizzi_> going to try rebooting
[21:07] <bjsnider> Dizzi_, first pastebin the entire log
[21:13] <Dizzi_> well... That didn't work at all
[21:14] <Dizzi_> so, when installing: I had to use the 'nomodeset' command. and I need to do this every time I boot. Is this a part of the issue?
[21:16] <Dizzi_> bjsnider Any other suggestions?
[21:17] <bjsnider> pastebin the whole xorg.0.og
[21:18] <Dizzi_> I did :S
[21:18] <Dizzi_> that was everything that is in the terminal
[21:19] <Dizzi_> http://pastebin.com/Dvedpg7n
[21:22] <bjsnider> gedit /var/log/Xorg.0.log select all copy paste into pastebin
[21:23] <Dizzi_> http://pastebin.com/RH7kG2Wf
[21:25] <ggreer> wow, unetbootin will report success if you unplug the usb stick while it's copying files
[21:25] <Dizzi_> that's a bug 0_o
[21:26] <ggreer> well until recent versions it wouldn't even detect usb drives on OS X
[21:26] <Monotoko> lol ubottu
[21:26] <ggreer> so... it's gotten better over time
[21:27] <Dizzi_> yeah, I'm on a mac right now and having some wierd issues
[21:27] <Dizzi_> but my harddrives will be read simply
[21:27] <Dizzi_> :P
[21:30] <mongo> hrm, shouldn't a kernel upgrade call m-a scripts?
[21:33] <mongo> the last kernel upgrade didn't kick off openvswitch-datapath-dkms
[21:33] <scientes> mongo, openvswitch is very new
[21:33] <scientes> mongo, therefore, its probably a bug
[21:34] <mongo> scientes: ya, trying to track it down, it may be due to ubuntu backporting vs. reving kernel version
[21:35] <scientes> yeah i thought vswitch was a 3.3 thing
[21:35] <scientes> and precise uses 3.2
[21:35] <mongo> scientes: it's in the mainline in 3.3
[21:35] <mongo> but it works fine in 3.2
[21:36] <scientes> a workaround could be to use the mainline kernel ppa
[21:36] <scientes> and track the 3.3 kernel instead
[21:36] <mongo> na, no apparmor in the mainline kernel
[21:36] <bjsnider> Dizzi_, nomodeset is the problem
[21:36] <mongo> it works fine, I just have to run m-a
[21:36] <scientes> mongo, apparmor has been merged into mainline
[21:36] <Dizzi_> ah. if I don't use nomodeset ubuntu doesn't boot...
[21:37] <mongo> scientes: ubuntu's doesn't work with the mainline aa
[21:37] <scientes> mongo, 3.4rc1 and 3.3rcX worked fine with precise for me
[21:37] <scientes> with no errors
[21:37] <scientes> unlike what i got with 3.2rcs on 11.10 before
[21:37] <mongo> scientes: did you have the ubuntu special sauce?
[21:38] <scientes> mongo, no, pure mainline
[21:38] <Dizzi_> :(
[21:38] <scientes> Dizzi_, are you using nouveau, radeo, etc?
[21:38] <Dizzi_> I don't think so?
 I tried installing "firmware for nvidia graphics cards'
[21:39] <mongo> scientes: check to see if it did actually load profiles, mine would not as it wanted 3.2 compat
[21:39] <Dizzi_> I did
[21:39] <scientes> AFAIK only radeon has a strong need for non-free firmware
[21:39] <scientes> mongo, well, i used bootchart and i apparmor parsing was very big cpu user
[21:39] <scientes> otherwise i dont really deal with apparmor
[21:39] <bjsnider> nouveau will not work unless kms is enabled
[21:40] <scientes> but i know some part of it got merged into mainline, and unlike 3.2 on maverick, i don't get any errors booting anymore
[21:40] <skel> with virt-manager / libvirtd, I used to be able to connect without root privs (ie. as my standard) it seems thats changed in 12.04. anyone know how I can get back to that config?
[21:40] <Dizzi_> so, bjsnider, cann I enable kms with nomodeset ?
[21:40] <scientes> Dizzi_, no
[21:40] <Dizzi_> well darn
[21:41] <scientes> Dizzi_, because nomodeset means "turn off kms"
[21:41] <bjsnider> nomodeset is telling the kernel kms=off
[21:41] <Dizzi_> guess I'm SOL them
[21:41] <mongo> skel: add the user to the libvirtd group
[21:41] <Dizzi_> *then
[21:41] <Dizzi_> ah. gotcha
[21:41] <bjsnider> you'll have to find another way to boot that kernel
[21:41] <Dizzi_> it will not boot with nomodeset on and I'm not experienced enough to know what to do ha ha
[21:42] <scientes> Dizzi_, you could try nvidia propritary, which doesn't use modesetting
[21:42] <bjsnider> Dizzi_, there are ubuntu wiki pages regarding special issues with crackbooks. you might find one for your flavour
[21:42] <bjsnider> eg, macbook 2,1
[21:42] <mongo> I have iPXE booting net installs working on my local apt repo :) pretty sweet
[21:42] <scientes> mongo, i like apt-cacher-ng better
[21:42] <mongo> scientes: well I don't have the power to put files on the world repos
[21:43] <scientes> mongo, apt-cacher-ng just mean you dont have to download the whole thing
[21:43] <mongo> iPXE uses relitive paths so it has to live in the netboot tree
[21:44] <mongo> but yes if I had the power to put a single text file on the repo http net installs work great
[21:44] <scientes> mongo, again, just use apt-cacher-ng
[21:44] <mongo> scientes: it doesn't let you add files to the repo scientes
[21:44] <scientes> Dizzi_, did you see my suggestion? use nvidia propritary instead of nouveau, that might work
[21:44] <skel> mongo: same deal after usermod -G libvirtd <myuser>
[21:44] <mongo> I so use it for my hosts
[21:44] <mongo> skel: did you log out and back in?
[21:45] <Dizzi_> no I didn't. I'll try that scientes
[21:45] <ggreer> "no packages matching running kernel 3.2.0-20-generic-pae in archive"
[21:45] <scientes> skel, yeah you have to log out and in, its annoying, but you have to do it
[21:45] <skel> mongo: completely or just open a new shell?
[21:45] <skel> hmm o
[21:45] <ggreer> I'm getting that with the 12.04 alternate installer :/
[21:45] <skel> *ok
[21:45] <skel> brb
[21:45] <Dizzi_> I'm assuming that is is "NVidia binary X.Org driver ('current' driver)"
[21:45] <scientes> skel, also realize, that adding yourself to libvirtd and then installing lxc is a massive security hole
[21:45] <scientes> (maybe i should report that)
[21:47] <scientes> Dizzi_, yes, nvidia-current
[21:47] <Dizzi_> sweet. downloading
[21:47] <agoodm> very interesting
[21:48] <scientes> Dizzi_, that is propritary, which has alot of its own problems, so you should also report a problem with nouveau
[21:48] <mongo> scientes: http://pastebin.com/5jUhCEJP
[21:48] <scientes> agoodm, what?
[21:48] <agoodm> xorg-edgey ppa intel driver and related files provide MUCH better graphical performance on this x220, only one issue encountered so far
[21:48] <mongo> if that file existed as the url shoes (self ref) you can install via http and pxe boot
[21:48] <Dizzi_> where do I report the problem?
[21:48] <Dizzi_> first time using linus in years
[21:48] <scientes> mongo, whats even cooler, is booting the livecd over PXE/nfs
[21:48] <Dizzi_> *linux
[21:49] <mongo> scientes: nfs requires nfs ;) this is all http :)
[21:49] <Dizzi_> (And the first time I did not know what I was doing and wiped my sisters comouter ha ha... ha)
[21:49] <scientes> agoodm, xorg-edgers is great :P
[21:49] <scientes> mongo, i think i've done it with http with the fedora liveCD
[21:49] <skel> libvirtd group add helped, thanks guys =]
[21:49]  * skel salutes
[21:50] <mongo> scientes: ya fedora/rhel allows a method= arg
[21:50] <agoodm> people suggested id run into severe problems and shouldnt use it unless I wanted to break my install, but ive experienced the opposite so far
[21:50] <scientes> skel, note what i said, adding to libvirtd can break your security, esp if you install lxc
[21:50] <scientes> ...which im wondering whether i should report
[21:50] <Dizzi_> okay. I installed the nvidia drivers. should I reboot or is that all?
[21:50] <scientes> Dizzi_, yes, reboot cause you have nouveau module loaded, and thats the easiest way to unload it
[21:51] <Dizzi_> okay. great. Fingers crossed!
[21:51] <Dizzi_> and I won't need to use nomodeset correct, scientes?
[21:51] <ggreer> also, guided partitioning in the alternate installer creates no swap
[21:51] <ggreer> and the boot partition is tiny. only 250MB
[21:52] <mongo> ggreer: how much ram did you have?
[21:52] <ggreer> 1.5GB
[21:52] <mongo> 250 is ok for boot IMHO
[21:52] <scientes> Dizzi_, well, you should never need nomodeset, but yes, nvidia wont try to use kvm, as it doesn't support it
[21:52] <scientes> *kms
[21:52] <ggreer> with enough kernel upgrades it gets full
[21:53] <ggreer> and with a 160GB hard drive, why not be safe and make 512MB for /boot? it's less than 1% of the size of the drive
[21:53] <ggreer> *less than one half of one percent
[21:53] <mongo> ya, they should be marking them obsolete
[21:53]  * scientes doesn't use /boot
[21:53] <scientes> unless you want dm-crypt
[21:53] <ggreer> I do
[21:53] <ggreer> that's why I'm trying to get this alternate installer working
[21:53] <mongo> ggreer: when you have 100's of guests that adds up :)
[21:53] <scientes> ggreer, there is also ecryptfs, which doesn't slow down programs the same
[21:54] <scientes> ggreer, which is what the regular installer supports
[21:54] <ggreer> the regular installer only let me encrypt my user directory
[21:54] <scientes> ggreer, ecryptfs can be setup other ways
[21:54] <scientes> ggreer, but yes, home direcyory only usually
[21:55] <scientes> ggreer, but with the evil maid attack on the kernel still open, it doesn't really make much difference
[21:55] <scientes> unless you keep sensitive stuff in your /etc or /var
[21:55] <ggreer> or swap
[21:55] <ggreer> it's really easy to leak data out of your home directory
[21:55] <mongo> to be fair apps shove lots of sensitive stuff in /etc and /var
[21:55] <scientes> ggreer, if you use encrypted home it will encrypt your swap
[21:55] <mongo> like pain text passwords
[21:55] <mongo> err plain
[21:55] <scientes> and the big gain on those is ptrace protections
[21:56] <scientes> which ubuntu now has with the mainlines yama security module
[21:57] <scientes> otherwise programs can just sniff the passwords out of another apps's ram
[21:57] <scientes> e.g. firefox passwords would be accessable to any process running as the same user, even if you set a master password
[21:57] <scientes> but not anymore with ptrace protections (if you use a master password, or maybe integration with seahorse(?))
[21:58] <ggreer> I thought you have to be root to read another the address space of another process
[21:59] <mongo> scientes: I just confirmed that the mainline kernel ppa is not enforcing aa profiles
[21:59] <Dizzi_> It worked! thanks people!
[21:59] <scientes> ggreer, man ptrace
[22:00] <scientes> ggreer, certain programs can disallow it explicitely
[22:00] <scientes> which openssh does for example
[22:00] <scientes> but the yama says you can only ptrace child processes, unless you are root
[22:00] <scientes> (or some CAP_SYS)
[22:01] <scientes> which means that strace FOO, and ltrace foo, and gdb foo, still work
[22:01] <scientes> but not strace -p PID, gdm -p FOO, etc
[22:01] <ggreer> the manpage says it only works for child processes?
[22:01] <mongo> (Kernel needs AppArmor 2.4 compatibility patch.)
[22:02] <scientes> ggreer, "              Since Ubuntu 10.10, PTRACE_ATTACH is not allowed against arbitrary matching-uid processes. The traced "child" must  be
[22:02] <scientes>               a  descendant  of  the tracer or must have called prctl(2) using PR_SET_PTRACER, with the pid of the tracer (or one of
[22:02] <scientes>               its ancestors).  For more details, see /etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf.
[22:02] <scientes> "
[22:03] <scientes> thats been mainlined
[22:04] <ggreer> this alternate installer is driving me crazy. I'm trying to select "physical volume for encryption" and it silently selects "do not use the partition"
[22:08] <agoodm> I wish the dash search thing was a bit faster
[22:08] <scientes> agoodm, use "locate"
[22:09] <agoodm> presently when I hit super syn and press enter ive pressed enter too fast for it to realise I want synaptic (the first result) and have to press enter again...
[22:09] <scientes> gord, works with gnome-shell
[22:10] <agoodm> if I do it slower it works first time
[22:10] <agoodm> like I just installed gconf editor and cus I wasnt sure if id get the right result I was slower
[22:10] <agoodm> super gconf enter and bam in there
[22:17] <ggreer> another bug in the installer: I can only select US time zones
[22:17] <agoodm> im more frustrated by the mouse acceleration situation :(
[23:04] <spacebug-> where is the config for my icons on the launcher?
[23:09] <physically_fit> so, how do force Precise Pangolin (12.04) to be installed via command line?
[23:09] <physically_fit> do I
[23:10] <spacebug-> physically_fit: checkout do-release-upgrade
[23:10] <spacebug-> might have to install that pacakge first
[23:11] <physically_fit> spacebug-, thanks but it does nothing
[23:11] <Fyodorovna> physically_fit, do you mean upgrade?
[23:11] <physically_fit> Fyodorovna, yes
[23:11] <Fyodorovna> physically_fit, from what?
[23:11] <Daekdroom> do-release-upgrade -d
[23:12] <Daekdroom> '-d' makes it look for a development release
[23:12] <physically_fit> Fyodorovna, from 11.10
[23:12] <Fyodorovna> physically_fit, ^^^ the command from Daekdroom is the one from alt-f2
[23:13] <physically_fit> Daekdroom and Fyodorovna thanks you both, that seems to be working
[23:13] <physically_fit> bye-bye
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> hi guys, If I log into Unity2D and run:  compiz --replace     the dash doesn't appear.Has anyone seen this?
[23:32] <spacebug-> compiz is not used in unity-2d right?
[23:32] <Daekdroom> spacebug-, you can use it.
[23:33] <spacebug-> ok
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> spacebug-: no, but it appears Unity isn't an option in my login screen
[23:33] <Daekdroom> To be honest, I think unity-2d is compatible with almost any window manager.
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> spacebug-: and compiz etc runs ok
[23:33] <Daekdroom> It's not a plug in to metacity like Unity is to compiz.
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> just a sec
[23:34] <wolfslord> I just updated my ubuntu 12.04 and Gogle Chrome stoped running Flash
[23:34] <spacebug-> hum ok
[23:34] <wolfslord> any clues why?
[23:34] <wolfslord> also Firefox is not running flash, even with the plugin
[23:35] <Daekdroom> I had that issue with Flashplugin earlier, but there was an update to the package that fixed it.
[23:35] <Myrtti> well there is an update ^
[23:35] <Daekdroom> and by earlier I meant today.
[23:36] <Myrtti> my chromium just complains "boo no plugin"
[23:36] <wolfslord> mine was working just fine, then I updated
[23:37] <wolfslord> and stoped working
[23:38] <wolfslord> i'm trying to reinstall the plugin to see if it works, but as Google Chrome doesn't use the plugin I don't know what to do
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> screw it, I'll stay 2D, it's faster anyway
[23:40] <wolfslord> So,  does anyone knows what can I do to make Flash work again?
[23:41] <spacebug-> wolfslord: reinstall flashplugin-installer
[23:41] <len> Is is safe to upgrade to 12.04 beta2 if you're using fglrx drivers?
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: can you give a pastebin of the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[23:42] <scientes> ActionParsnip, i don't know about you, but i have a hard time trying to be 2D
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> len: i'd uninstall them first, then upgrade then reinstall them
[23:42] <wolfslord> ok, i just reinstalled flashplugin and firefox is working again
[23:42] <wolfslord> let try with chrome
[23:42] <spacebug-> ActionParsnip: try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop That should install the files again if they are screwed. Look in /usr/share/xsessions to see all you have installed
[23:43] <wolfslord> yeah, working too
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> spacebug-: I'm fine with 2D, it runs better anyway, plus no junky compiz breaking stuff :D
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: nice
[23:44] <spacebug-> oh well ;)
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> spacebug-: Unity session is available, had to reinstall unity package but boots to wallpaper only
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> 2D is fine
[23:44] <spacebug-> I run 2D in virtualbox to get better performance
[23:45] <spacebug-> on desktop is not unity I would probably run gnome-fallback and cairo-dock
[23:45] <wolfslord> i shouldn't make diference since chrome (as i read) doesn't use flashplugin, but its working again. Strange
[23:45] <spacebug-> if*
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: it will use it if it's available
[23:45] <wolfslord> well, that explains something
[23:46] <wolfslord> also in my gedit the name of the Go language is being tranlated to portuguese "Ir"
[23:47] <wolfslord> it should stay untranslated
[23:48] <Daekdroom> File a bug report.
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: same in all editors?
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: tried leafpad?
[23:48] <wolfslord> well I only use gedit
[23:49] <wolfslord> and its the only gui one I have here
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: I gave another to try, see if its only affecting gedit....
[23:50] <wolfslord> ok which should I install to test it
[23:50] <wolfslord> ?
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: well....yeah
[23:50] <wolfslord> which one?
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> leafpad
[23:50] <wolfslord> I only know gedit
[23:50] <wolfslord> ok
[23:50] <wolfslord> let me do it
[23:52] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  various commands keep on complainging about not being able to find /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[23:52] <Daekdroom> Q-FUNK, are you on 64-bitS?
[23:52] <Q-FUNK> 32
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> Q-FUNK: I dont have that in 32bit or 64bit
[23:53] <spacebug-> I have that lib under a 64bit directory
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> I do have /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
[23:53] <spacebug-> actually in three places
[23:54] <spacebug-> http://pastebin.com/xijVfZPR
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/919737/
[23:56] <wolfslord> ActionParsnip: i installed leafpad but it doesn't do syntax highlighting
[23:56] <spacebug-> Q-FUNK: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=libc.so.6  this is the packages that file is in
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: yes but is the language correct?
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> Q-FUNK: that was 64bit, here is my 32bit install: http://paste.ubuntu.com/919739/
[23:57] <wolfslord> yes
[23:57] <wolfslord> and so it is in gedit
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: yes, we have now isolated the issue to gedit
[23:57] <wolfslord> gedit is trnalating wrong only the name of the Go prgramming language
[23:59] <wolfslord> when I choose syntax highlighting it is showing the name translated to portuguese (which is my systems language)
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> wolfslord: sounds like a bug
[23:59] <wolfslord> but it should stay untranslated
[23:59] <spacebug-> Q-FUNK: try reinstalling libc6
[23:59] <wolfslord> in fact there is a bug with the same issue for Scheme, Ruby and other languages