[00:28] <pangolin> success is judged by the number of people who hate you
[00:28] <pangolin> look at Justin Bieber
[00:28] <pangolin> Ubuntu wishes to be hated as much as him
[00:42] <mhall119> pangolin: good luck with that, there's already Bieber Linux
[00:43] <bkerensa> jbicha: you underestimated the hater status on reddit
[00:43] <bkerensa> jbicha: unfortunately the /r/ubuntu mods do very little to keep the LM folks from trolling
[01:23] <jcastro> jono: hah
[01:23] <jcastro> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/06/drawing-a-wooden-cabinet-in-a-gtk-application/#comment-489173107
[01:23] <jcastro> I used to be that guy
[01:24] <jcastro> "omg consistency, apps don't need skins, how winamp."
[01:24] <jcastro> the bummer is GTK never progressed past the windows-95 battleship look
[01:24] <jcastro> so even homegrown skins look better than the default widgets. :(
[01:25] <jcastro> plus  it's not about the wood shelves
[01:25] <jcastro> look at the subtle shadow's etc on the books and the window UI
[01:55] <jono> jcastro, :-)
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[10:00] <JanC> there are Gtk apps that have such a wooden cabinet look, might be easiest to look how they do it...   ;)
[10:01] <JanC> have a look at GCstar
[18:42] <JanC> jono: GCstar is a Gtk app that has a "wooden cabinet", maybe you can get some ideas from it...
[18:45] <jono> JanC, oh cool, thanks!
[18:45] <JanC> jono: it's written in perl + Gtk, but I guess the Gtk part is the most important  ;)
[19:00] <jono> JanC, indeed, thanks for the pointer :-)
[20:08] <jono> any translators around?
[21:34] <pangolin> jono, what do you need translated, simple line or app?
[21:36] <pangolin> I gotta run.
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[23:26] <jono> pangolin, see the blog post
[23:27] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/07/translation-help-needed-how-to-translate-ubuntu-accomplishments/