=== apw is now known as apw_ === apw_ is now known as cafetiere === cafetiere is now known as apw [18:29] m4n1sh: are you around? [18:38] jbicha: yes [18:39] it's like midnight there, right? I'm having some troubles with Zeitgeist/the Privacy panel [18:40] yes. go ahead [18:40] I am free now [18:41] I'm writing a script to automate taking some screenshots of Unity; and so I deleted the zeitgeist history [18:41] how did you delete it? [18:41] from the UI or deleted the sqlite file? [18:42] with the Privacy panel, I've also tried rm'ing /.local/share/zeitgeist (is that safe?) [18:43] yes you can remove that zeitgeist folder [18:43] you will lose history and fts index [18:44] and all user specific information like blacklists too [18:44] so where exactly you found the problem? [18:45] well one problem is that with Unity 5.8, newly started apps aren't showing up as Recent Apps in the Dash [18:46] you deleted the history [18:46] so Unity does not know about the application usage [18:46] but apps I started after deleting the history should show up [18:47] yes, they should show up [18:47] you can try using lp:zeitgeist-explorer [18:47] and check if application launches are being logged or not [18:47] how hard is it to script adding a folder to the blacklist? [18:48] for instance I don't want the screenshots folder to be showing, cluttering up the Dash search results [18:48] yes, just open Privacy [18:48] and add that folder [18:48] as filter [18:48] some settings, I can just use gsettings set in the script, but you're not using gsettings, are you? [18:49] no. no gsettings [18:49] everthing is stored in a sqlite database [18:49] gsettings can't store such complex data objects [18:49] or if it can do, its too much of work [18:49] a list of blacklisted folders can be stored in gsettings [18:50] I'll just add it to the list of thing to be done manually after creating a new account then, thanks [18:50] yes, but that is not how it is stored [18:50] its lot more complex [18:50] you can have incredible control over the blacklist [18:50] using the blacklist api, you can control that you want to blacklist filter of type avi in a folder [18:51] I also had a problem yesterday where the Privacy panel with Unity 5.10 wouldn't delete the history but unfortunately I didn't save the terminal output [18:51] fortunately it's working today [18:51] or you can even specify to block all logging of videos of type avi in a specific folder only if it is opened by a specific player [18:51] yes. I think the problem is even more [18:51] the history is deleted [18:51] but the fts index is not [18:51] I think that might be the problem [18:52] by now the index would have rebuilt itself [18:52] the fts index takes a while then on a full home directory? [18:53] no. the fts index is built using event history [18:53] whatever is logged [18:53] it does not deal with files [18:53] the fts search is over usage history and *not* over HOME [18:53] we don't do crawling using inotify [18:53] or any such method [18:55] jbicha: anything else? [18:58] ok, so I'm back with Unity 5.10 from the testing PPA, I deleted the history & starting new apps doesn't show in Recent Apps [18:59] do I have to wait a certain amount of time or what do you think isn't working right? [19:17] jbicha: were the apps you started on your launcher? it seems to not show up then. [19:24] well the apps sometimes show up and sometimes don't, here's my WIP script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/919367 [19:25] of course that script is trying to open up certain files to fill up the recent files section too [19:26] maybe my script needs more pausing at the right times === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [20:10] jbicha: yo, have you seen bug #975686? [20:10] Launchpad bug 975686 in ubuntu-wallpapers "package ubuntu-wallpapers-karmic (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/backgrounds/Bay.jpg', which is also in package ubuntu-wallpapers-extra 0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975686 [20:11] * Laney dupes it to a better one [20:22] Laney: wow, I didn't know that package existed [20:22] me neither [20:23] I just got hit by "lost my old wallpaper" and installed ubuntu-wallpapers-*, and then this happened :-) [20:23] I'm doing a diff for the transitional package [20:23] Laney: you lost a wallpaper? [20:24] I had an Oneiric one and it was removed when I got the new ubuntu-wallpapers, yes [20:24] it came back when I installed ubuntu-wallpapers-oneiric [20:26] there were enough complaints when that happened for Oneiric that I thought we should fix it for this cycle [20:26] yes [20:26] I don't know what you can do other than handle it in the release upgrader though [20:26] well it shouldn't happen again after Precise though [20:27] why? [20:27] what's seeded? [20:27] I think the wallpaper package is marked as automatically installed so apt is happy to remove it [20:28] oh, I guess it needs a bit more work then, apt should get smarter and not remove ubuntu-wallpapers* [20:29] you have to get it marked as manually installed [20:32] Laney: how do we do that? [20:34] not sure, perhaps it can be handled in u-m [20:40] Laney: ok I added that note to bug 863509 [20:40] Launchpad bug 863509 in ubuntu-wallpapers "Upgrading Ubuntu to new version deletes previous wallpapers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863509 [20:40] you probably want to talk to mvo about how to implement it [20:43] semi relevant aside: I have a removal request for ubuntu-wallpapers-extra pending sponsorship [20:44] yep, thanks for that. I'm just providing the transitional package so that people who previously had that -extra get moved over to -karmic [22:50] Laney, jbicha: If ubuntu-wallpapers is moved to the metapackages section then I think the depended-on packages won't be removed [22:51] yeah? That would be good :-) [22:51] that's the behaviour for ubuntu-desktop et. al. at least [22:52] so that if it gets removed you don't lose all of the packages on your system [22:52] I'm not sure what I can cite as evidence though, except for having a vague recollection of mvo stating this at some point [22:53] I just experimentally verified this behaviour [22:57] not for disappearing packages though [22:59] james_w: ah, it's Never-MarkAuto-Sections [22:59] ah, not entirely helpful then [22:59] no no, it /is/ helpful [22:59] "// consider dependencies of packages in this section manual" [23:00] ah [23:01] see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove [23:10] jbicha: I just pushed ^ to my branch [23:11] it's too late for oneiric, unless you (a) add some kind of hint to the release upgrader if possible or (b) SRU the wallpapers to implement the split with an ubuntu-wallpapers-oneiric package only === m_conley is now known as m_conley|food === m_conley|food is now known as m_conley_away [23:48] Laney: I'd rather go with option A [23:54] you should speak to mvo and see how possible it is :-)