[03:40] <ali1234> reading bitcoin forum... see my name... remember i sent in a bugfix
[04:17] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: maybe it's your (evil) twin
[06:08] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:23] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:59] <popey> morning
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:07]  * MartijnVdS upgrades his precise boxes
[09:08]  * brobostigon crosses his fingers for MartijnVdS 
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I don't expect it to go wrong :)
[09:08] <brobostigon> :)
[09:09] <brobostigon> i am just doing exactly the same thing.
[09:12] <brobostigon> i always fear, grub updates abit, but it should go fine.
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> grub updates and new kernels are the scariest, agreed :)
[09:13] <brobostigon> :)
[09:23] <swattor> i just upgraded - all went very successfully :-)
[09:36] <mattt> feels like a great day to be doing this kinda stuff
[09:36] <mattt> cept i'm cleaning the house :(
[09:42] <BigRedS> yeah, grub updates are how you end up with grub 2
[09:45] <popey> swattor: now to start testing! ☺  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgL957zo5QM&feature=g-all-u&context=G25aeb2cFAAAAAAAAWAA
[10:07] <ali1234> popey: are we supposed to test normal 12.04 or the unity ppa?
[10:13] <popey> unity ppa please
[10:13] <popey> using checkbox from that ppa
[10:13] <popey> video explains it all I hope
[10:13] <popey> would help an awful lot
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> ooh the white pixel is gone
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> in the second launcher(?) icon
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> had it on all my machines before
[10:17] <ali1234> last time i tested unity from the ppa it all worked perfectly
[10:17] <ali1234> but the version in main is still broken :/
[10:18] <ali1234> notably the skype notification icon always works with the ppa, never works with main
[10:18] <ali1234> and there's a test specifically for that
[10:19] <popey> i have found a few bugs running the ppa and testing it
[10:19] <ali1234> regarding searching for bugs
[10:19] <ali1234> i have noticed that trying to report a bug often finds dupes
[10:20] <ali1234> but when i search using launchpad search i can never find them
[10:20] <ali1234> what's the deal with that?
[10:20] <popey> yeah, i just file them and let launchpad find the dupes during the filing process
[10:20] <popey> you're right, its a lot quicker / more efficient
[10:46] <Laney> i never use launchpad search, just google
[10:47] <ali1234> hmm 400mb of updates on the netbook. might be quicker to reinstall
[10:48] <ali1234> after refreshing apt, 500mb :/
[10:48] <ali1234> and then update manager crashed
[11:06] <popey> yeah, good point Laney
[12:41] <Laney> argh
[12:41] <Laney> worst time to realise your passport is missing: 2 hours before going away for a week, 4 weeks before going abroad
[12:42] <popey> mine is on my desk, where I left it when I got back from the last trip ☺
[12:43] <penguin42> Laney: I guess it's better than finding it out 2 hours before going abroad
[12:43] <Laney> at least then I'd give up hope :P
[12:45] <Laney> you can get a new one in a week, so it's not the end of the world
[12:45] <OmNomDePlume> Does anybody else hate those stupid Ladbrokes adverts?
[12:46] <OmNomDePlume> Yeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss!!! *stabs*
[12:46] <Laney> no, I love them
[12:47] <OmNomDePlume> I hate you.
[12:50] <popey> Adverts? People still watch those?
[13:10] <directhex> Laney, check your suit jacket pocket.
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: people still SEE those, you mean? :)
[13:40] <diplo> afternoon all, remake of google glasses thing with ads :/
[13:40] <diplo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_mRF0rBXIeg
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> diplo: have you seen the "If Microsoft made Google Glasses" one?
[13:41] <diplo> Nope, good ?
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwModZmOzDs
[13:43] <diplo> heh like it
[13:51] <mumper_> Hi - I've newly installed Oneiric Ocelot and the only issue I've so far had with it its failure to keep my wireless connection if I re-boot. It doesn't heavily bother me as long as I know can re-connect - but? Comment?
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> mumper_: it should automatically re-connect on login after restarting
[13:58] <mumper_> Hi MartijnVds - I agree. Yet it doesn't. I've probably missed some thing, but I installed 11.10 (at Ubuntu's suggestion) whilst running an earlier version which ran very well.
[13:59] <mumper_> MartijnVds: It IS just a nuisance, that's all.
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> is your network "hidden" maybe?
[14:01] <mumper_> MartijnVds: sorry, I could have said - I run a single HP desktop tower wirelessly connected to a v2 BT HomeHub. Is that clear enough?
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Sure, but is the network name hidden? Some people do that for "security"
[14:05] <mumper_> MartijnVds: ah well. I've named the PC and I have Kodak EPS C310 al-in-one printer connected in the wireless set-up which is identified by code in the HomeHub's "wireless" list.
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> mumper_: Is the wireless network listed in the drop-down on the PC, or did you have to type the name yourself?
[14:06] <mumper_> MartijnVds: from what you say, I'm getting a hint that I possibly need to go over the settings in the network manager, etc?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> mumper_: Very likely, yes. But I've never seen wifi not connecting on startup
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> But I don't have a "hidden ssid" network
[14:08] <mumper_> MartijnVds: OK - I shall try such an investigation - I thank you very very much for your informed kindness, bye for now ...
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> good luck
[14:13] <OmNomDeBonBon> MartijnVdS, are you watching the match?
[14:13] <OmNomDeBonBon> Villa just scored a great goal.
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> Match?
[14:30] <OmNomDeBonBon> Liverpool vs Aston Villa.
[14:47] <oimon1> hi guys, i have a digital video camera with some clips on that i'd like to keep in a decent format on my macine, and also upload to private youtube to share with some family members, any suggestions? the dv camera is firewire - do i need to deinterlace while importing, or later on?
[14:56] <gord> oimon1, if its digital, it shouldn't be interlaced at all
[14:57] <oimon1> hmm gord, i must have tried this a while ago so i have some files on the machine alreayd, and any lateral movement looks v bad
[14:57] <directhex> gord, sadly lots of things get recorded in interlaced anyway
[14:57] <directhex> gord, there's 0 excuse for interlaced anything for the past few decades, but they still do it. i have a 1080i blu-ray somewhere
[14:59] <gord> oimon1, at any rate, x264 can preserve the interlace if you don't want to destroy data, ffmpeg has plenty of options for "fixing" the interlacing also, but they are all going to be destructive. there is also webm available these days which if find useful for uploading to youtube
[15:00] <oimon1> which app would be best for converting dv video to x264 for a video newbie?
[15:00] <oimon1> it seems kino is still the only one to import from a firewire device
[15:01] <gord> i would say that handbrake is the best video converter at the moment, but i don't know if it can read dv video, would hope so. certainly can't import from firewire
[15:01] <oimon1> thanks gord, i'll try HB
[15:02] <gord> you might in the end just want to learn the ffmpeg commands, they aren't too tricky. everything just uses ffmpeg under the hood anyway :)
[15:06] <dogmatic69> one think I miss with screen is scrolling back, any way to get this back?
[15:06] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: you can use screen's scrollback
[15:06] <BigRedS> it's kludgy but the only reliable way I've found
[15:06] <BigRedS> ctrl-A [, then use pgup and pgdown
[15:06] <BigRedS> it's how it does copy-paste, too
[15:06] <BigRedS> esc  to get out of it
[15:07] <BigRedS> I keep seeing ways to make it work more intuitively with pgup/pgdn or scrollwheels but none of those seem portable enough to work from everywhere I ssh to screen
[15:11] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: http://aperiodic.net/screen/quick_reference is what I keep referring to
[15:13] <dogmatic69> thanks
[15:13] <dogmatic69> it seems the scroll wheel is attached to history as you can use it to pick up previous commands
[15:13] <dogmatic69> that is quite nice, but scrolling would be better :D
[15:14] <BigRedS> you might want to put a massive value for defscrollback to get useful scrollback. I have 10240 which almost always means I have all I want and I don't get shouted at for using all the memory any more :)
[15:14] <dogmatic69> on my desktop its unlimited
[15:14] <BigRedS> yeah, I keep thinking that, spend about half an hour fiddling with it then give up for a bit :)
[15:14] <popey> a'noon
[15:14] <dogmatic69> also, ctrl+a gives me a menu
[15:15] <BigRedS> ah yeah, this is a relatively low memory ssh bastion host, so it's just got everyone's screen sessions on it
[15:15] <BigRedS> it does?
[15:15] <dogmatic69> When you press ctrl-a in Byobu, do you want it to operate in:
[15:15] <dogmatic69> emacs / screen
[15:15] <dogmatic69> two options
[15:15] <BigRedS> oh!
[15:15] <popey> thats only the first time
[15:15] <dogmatic69> :) which is better?
[15:15] <BigRedS> 'emacs' is never the answer to that question :)
[15:16] <dogmatic69> popey: my bug was accepted \o/
[15:16] <popey> thats a vi vs emacs question
[15:16] <BigRedS> nah, depends on what you want I suppose
[15:16] <popey> heh
[15:16] <BigRedS> If you want to be able to use screen docs you want 'screen'. If you're a freak you want emacs
[15:16] <dogmatic69> ok, picked screen. now ctrl+a does nothing
[15:17] <BigRedS> no, it puts it in command mode
[15:17] <BigRedS> it doesn't tell you anything when it does that, though :)
[15:17] <BigRedS> hit ctrl-a then " and you'll get a list of screens
[15:17] <dogmatic69> oh
[15:17] <BigRedS> f'rexample
[15:17] <dogmatic69> that works
[15:17] <BigRedS> ctrl-A is teh way to get into Screen's command mode
[15:17] <BigRedS> essentially
[15:18] <BigRedS> It means that screen starts listening to your keystrokes instead of passing them on to the terminal
[15:18] <dogmatic69> ah, ctrl+a then [ == scroll mode
[15:18] <BigRedS> yeah
[15:18] <dogmatic69> then pg up/down
[15:18] <dogmatic69> i see
[15:18] <dogmatic69> rocket science to scroll :D
[15:18] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[15:18] <BigRedS> it becomes muscle memory oddly quickly
[15:18] <BigRedS> I keep doing it in firefox
[15:18] <dogmatic69> slightly more complicated than moving the scroll wheel :P
[15:19] <dogmatic69> hehe
[15:19] <BigRedS> ctrl-A, backspace is a bad bit of muscle memory, too :(
[15:19] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:19] <BigRedS> well, I'm not normally on the mouse when I'm in a terminal, so the scroll wheel's far away
[15:19] <dogmatic69> ah, just the page i wanted... nevermind
[15:28] <jacobw> afternoon
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> *dance* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98XRKr19jIE
[15:31] <BigRedS> Man, I'm always caught out by the ads on youtube
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: adblock!
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> I've never seen an ad on youtube
[15:32] <BigRedS> even the ones at the beginning of the video?
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> yes
[15:32] <BigRedS> Oh!
[15:32] <BigRedS> I've not used adblock for years. I just don't go to sites where I'd want it
[15:32] <BigRedS> I didn't realise it did youtube ads
[15:32] <BigRedS> cunning
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> you can disable it on a per-site basis :)
[15:33] <BigRedS> yeah, it just all seemed like far too much faff
[15:33] <BigRedS> So I just stopped installing it and then not much changed
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> the one in chrome is getting very good
[15:35] <BigRedS> Oh yeah, that's another thing I keep meaning to try out: chrome
[15:36] <BigRedS> I've got incredibly lazy recently. As long as somethign works I generally don't give alternatives any thought
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> I've got my bookmarks synced between my laptop and desktop using chrome
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> that was incentive for me ;)
[15:36] <BigRedS> yeah, I've not yet noticed a need to do that
[15:37] <BigRedS> I think I just hardly ever use bookmarks. And I'd want to sync them to my server rather than somebody else's :)
[15:37] <hamitron> I'm tempted to start running firefox remotely for that reason
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> Embrace the cloud :)
[15:37] <hamitron> and to also save local memory ;)
[15:38] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, *my* cloud :)
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: can't firefox sync to a server you set up yourself?
[15:38] <BigRedS> I think it can
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: You can't own clouds! ;)
[15:38] <BigRedS> In fact, I'm pretty sure there's an extension that does it
[15:38] <hamitron> probably
[15:38] <hamitron> but my way would help the machines with not much memory
[15:38] <hamitron> :)
[15:38]  * MartijnVdS has 4G at work, no swap.
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> RUns fine
[15:39] <hamitron> 256MB
[15:39] <hamitron> ;)
[15:39] <BigRedS> yeah, nothing should have problems with 4GB ram
[15:39] <hamitron> gonna stick another 128MB in sometime
[15:39] <BigRedS> That's a bit of a bill gatesism isn't it...
[15:39] <hamitron> hehe
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: I'll hold you to it.
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: if I ever need more, I'll forward the invoice ;)
[15:39] <shauno> BigRedS: we'll be laughing at you in 10 years time :)
[15:40] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[15:40] <BigRedS> Er, nothing *current*, then :)
[15:40] <BigRedS> unless it's written in Java
[15:41] <hamitron> I used to think 128MB was the limit :/
[15:41] <directhex> or ruby.
[15:41] <directhex> ruby apps can also eat all the ram
[15:41] <hamitron> but I still think everything we need could be done with 128MB ;/
[15:41] <hamitron> easy
[15:41] <BigRedS> yeah, but we are largely in a lull as far as an increasing insatiable need for more memory to run normal things
[15:42] <BigRedS> generally, heavy stuff is done somewhere else
[15:42] <directhex> used to admin a box with 1T RAM ;)
[15:42] <BigRedS> We upgraded someone to 32GB on each app server the other day, which I'm still a bit baffled by
[15:43] <BigRedS> I mean, you can fit an OS into that about four times over
[15:44] <BigRedS> Anyway, quick straw poll: how do you decide whether any given package goes in /usr/local or /opt?
[15:44] <hamitron> a very small program with a loop can soon eat loads ;)
[15:44] <BigRedS> the FHS nicely avoids distinguishing between the two, and just gives them quite similar descriptions
[15:44] <hamitron> I put self contained apps in /opt
[15:45] <hamitron> then custom non-packaged "unix like" package in local
[15:45] <BigRedS> and scripts and stuff in /usr/local ?
[15:45] <hamitron> brb phone
[15:45] <BigRedS> yeah. I just found a JRE in /usr/local after installing another into /opt
[15:48] <hamitron> bk
[15:50] <hamitron> imo, just best to be organised how you want BigRedS :)
[15:51] <hamitron> I hate it when someone tells me I did something wrong, just because I did it different to them
[15:51] <hamitron> when it is a matter of preference
[15:51] <yogiman> Hi folks, what the general option on Unity?
[15:51] <BigRedS> well, I was just wondering how everyone else interpreted it
[15:52] <BigRedS> yogiman: option? or opinion? :)
[15:52] <yogiman> Sorry typo, opinion
[15:52] <yogiman> :)
[15:52] <hamitron> I've heard it is amazing
[15:52] <hamitron> also heard it has problems
[15:52] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, reactions seem very mixed
[15:52] <yogiman> Well not sure I would go with amazing, possibly is if you are using it on a tablet
[15:53] <BigRedS> I find it absolutely fine, except for when it annoyes me
[15:53] <hamitron> I'll be trying it once 12.04 is out to make my own opinion ;)
[15:53] <BigRedS> and then it's _really_ annoying
[15:53] <BigRedS> did you really just come here to start *another* unity argument?
[15:53] <BigRedS> they're getting more tedious that Christians Vs Atheists
[15:53] <BigRedS> *than
[15:53] <hamitron> hehe
[15:54] <yogiman> Not looking for an argument, just wondering what peoples thoughts were and if I am looking at this from the wrong perspective.
[15:54] <BigRedS> at least with them there's the genuine problem of eternal hellfire
[15:54] <BigRedS> ahh
[15:54] <BigRedS> yeah, some people find it fine, others dislike it
[15:55] <BigRedS> as with everything Ubuntu and GUI related the opinions are peculiarly noisy :)
[15:55] <BigRedS> Personally, I prefer Gnome3 generally, but not by enough to have actually installed it on my Ubuntu machine
[15:55] <yogiman> Is it just me or are they pushing this more towards tablet users rather than desktop users, it seems that I spend more time doing things now than I ever did in Gnome2
[15:56] <hamitron> I never liked Gnome2, and haven't tried Gnome3 or Unity yet.... so I'll be interested to see how I find it
[15:56] <hamitron> I put it down to being used to working a certain way
[15:57] <hamitron> and change is always effort
[15:57] <BigRedS> yogiman: it's just you IMO. I think they just had too many E numbers at some of the design meetings :)
[15:57] <hamitron> :D
[15:57] <yogiman> Well I figured it was just me, the wiffy trout always says so!
[15:57] <BigRedS> haha
[15:58] <BigRedS> In general, though, I'm having trouble seeing the major problem this sudden overhaul of DEs fixes
[15:58] <yogiman> What does it fix
[15:58] <BigRedS> except for the fact that hierarchical menus aren't a good way of finding software
[15:58] <yogiman> everything seems fine to me
[15:58] <BigRedS> I mean, we've had two brand-new DEs in about a year and we're still using network mangler
[15:58] <BigRedS> misplaced priorities :)
[15:59] <yogiman> but is typing the title a good way?
[15:59] <BigRedS> well, I still just use alt-f2 so I'd say 'yes'
[15:59] <BigRedS> they're not mutually exclusive
[15:59] <yogiman> fair point
[15:59] <BigRedS> but menus are bad for people who know what they're looking for and bad for people who don't
[16:00] <BigRedS> they're good for people who know where in the menu the thing they're looking for is
[16:00] <yogiman> I would agree but there seem to have been much better options that the supplied launcher.
[16:00] <BigRedS> Really? The launcher seems alright to me
[16:00] <yogiman> of course thats just my 2 penny worth and I don't even listen to myself.
[16:00] <popey> 16:52:59 < yogiman> Well not sure I would go with amazing, possibly is if you are using it on a tablet
[16:00] <popey> aaarrrrgh
[16:00] <BigRedS> well, except for the hypercorrecting
[16:00] <popey> try it
[16:00] <popey> it's _rubbish_ on a tablet :D
[16:01] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, I've never understood why increasing reliance on the keyboard would make it more tablet orientated
[16:01] <yogiman> surely something like AWN would have sufficed or is that generally hated.
[16:02] <BigRedS> I don't know. Can it not be used with unity?
[16:02] <BigRedS> Personally, i'd not like it
[16:02] <BigRedS> I've tried docks before and they also feel like a really lazy approach to the problem
[16:03] <BigRedS> "We need to launch programs somehow. Oh, let's make buttons to click on for it. Okay"
[16:03] <yogiman> Well at present I have made the assumption not.  As I don't think you can remove the existing Launcher.
[16:03] <BigRedS> why couldn't you do both?
[16:03]  * BigRedS doesn't play with DEs or WMs very much
[16:03] <yogiman> OK but if you don't have a launcher and you don't want menus then psychic powers perhaps is the answer!
[16:04] <BigRedS> nah, I want to hit a button, type what I want and have it appear
[16:04] <BigRedS> which is sort-of what the launcher does
[16:04] <BigRedS> sometimes
[16:04] <yogiman> I prefer my wife to hit the button, while serving up a brew ;-)
[16:04] <BigRedS> haha
[16:05] <yogiman> OK well as I say don't want to start an argument, just wanted some other opinions and you guys have been great, thanks for your words people :)
[16:06] <hamitron> think I'm going back to LXDE, from fluxbox
[16:06] <BigRedS> I keep trying LXDE. Each time I decide it's not worth the faff and go back to plain *box :)
[16:06] <yogiman> We could always go back to GEM
[16:06] <BigRedS> and then get annoyed with that not being pretty and go back to a full-blown DE
[16:07] <hamitron> I can't really do that on this machine
[16:07] <hamitron> ;)
[16:07] <yogiman> not sure I am over bothered about pretty, but functional would be nice.
[16:07] <hamitron> tbh, LXDE seems to just work
[16:07] <hamitron> reminds me of the win95 menu
[16:08] <yogiman> oh not Dimdows please..... :(
[16:08] <hamitron> which is probably my personal favourite :)
[16:08] <BigRedS> haha! You pervert!
[16:09] <yogiman> Can't remember which distro I was playing with but had one a while back where menu was on right mouse click, that was odd
[16:09] <Twinkletoes|H> I can mount an admin share from a windows box OK using the mount command, and can see the contents.  However, when using autofs (and testing with autmount -f -v), the directory is mounted, but not showing any contents.  There are no errors either.
[16:09] <BigRedS> most of the *boxes do that; openbox, fluxbox, blackbox
[16:10] <hamitron> XFCE does too?
[16:10] <hamitron> a while since I used XFCE
[16:10] <hamitron> so not 100% sure
[16:11] <yogiman> Oh ok that makes sense why I haven't seen it since
[16:11] <hamitron> I've used fluxbox for over a month now
[16:11] <hamitron> can live with it
[16:11] <hamitron> but not really the best for me
[16:11] <BigRedS> Twinkletoes|H: How are you checking for the share's mountedness?
[16:11] <BigRedS> and also for its contents?
[16:12] <Twinkletoes|H> BigRedS: ls -al /path/to/share
[16:12] <BigRedS> I may well be no help here, but there's a narrow chance I can help :)
[16:12] <Twinkletoes|H> BigRedS: autofs creates the mountpoint, but there' snothing inside
[16:12] <BigRedS> path to share or path to mountpoint?
[16:12] <Twinkletoes|H> mountpoint
[16:12] <hamitron> I'll leave you guys in peace to sort out the problem
[16:12] <hamitron> :)
[16:13] <BigRedS> Is this on a headless machine? I've recollection of Gnome/whatever getting inthe way of automount until specific things try to access it
[16:13] <Twinkletoes|H> BigRedS: Ubuntu Server, no gnome
[16:14] <BigRedS> Hm, I've no idea then I'm afraid. AFAIK that should Just Work but I've never actually done it
[16:14] <Twinkletoes|H> BigRedS: I can paste the config, but I don't understand why it mounts ok, but doesn't display the files, and I'm using "Administrator" as the login too
[16:14] <Twinkletoes|H> (and a credentials file)
[16:14] <djbenny> afternoon
[16:15] <BigRedS> Twinkletoes|H: yeah, not sure I could be much more help even with a config file tbh.
[16:16] <Twinkletoes|H> BigRedS: Thanks anyway :)
[16:16] <djbenny> does anhyone have any idea of any Linux trainin courses in the UK, distance learning?
[16:16] <djbenny> all i can find is basic stuff, which i knowq how to do
[16:16] <BigRedS> djbenny: what sort of thing, then?
[16:16] <BigRedS> specific certificates?
[16:17] <djbenny> well yeah a professional qualification
[16:17] <BigRedS> Ubuntu sell distance-learning LPIC courses
[16:18] <BigRedS> well, UCP, which is LPCI with a Ubuntu exam on top
[16:18] <djbenny> ah ok, where do they sell that stu
[16:18] <djbenny> them*
[16:18] <Twinkletoes|H> BigRedS: Solved... it didn't like to mount admin shared (ie. D$)  even though mount from the command line would work ok
[16:18] <Twinkletoes|H> I wonder if it's something that's happening to the $ on the end of the auto map
[16:19] <BigRedS> Oh! It doesn't do LPIC any more. But Canonical's training stuff is here: http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=21
[16:19] <BigRedS> Twinkletoes|H: oh! So subdirs work or something?
[16:20] <Twinkletoes|H> BigRedS: seems like anythign works as long as it's not an damin shre... C$, D$ etc....
[16:20] <BigRedS> oh, fair enough
[16:20] <BigRedS> odd
[16:20] <BigRedS> I've long since stopped trying to understand windows file sharing :)
[16:20] <Twinkletoes|H> Don't blame you
[16:23] <djbenny> BigRedS, cheers, i looked on the canocial website
[16:24] <djbenny> although i was looking for a more broad spectrum, of not just ubuntu
[16:28] <BigRedS> yeah, teh LPIC is pretty broad
[16:28] <BigRedS> and now not what you get from Canonical
[16:28] <BigRedS> well, it's not distro-specific
[16:29] <BigRedS> what sort of stuff are you after?
[16:29] <BigRedS> server/desktop admin? networking? programming?
[16:33] <djbenny> server
[16:34] <djbenny> desktop admin
[16:34] <djbenny> with least amount of programming possible :P
[16:34] <BigRedS> haha
[16:35] <BigRedS> well, you can't get that far into it without doing some scripting :)
[16:35] <djbenny> not the biggest fan of programming
[16:35] <BigRedS> but, yeah, that's the sort of thing lpic's aimed at. but most certification is aimed at people who teach themselves
[16:35] <BigRedS> well, that's the normal assumption; get a book, study from it, sit the exam
[16:37] <djbenny> ok cheers
[16:37] <djbenny> thanks for the help
[17:08]  * MartijnVdS finishes soldering for the day
[17:38] <BigRedS> hah
[17:38] <BigRedS> that has to be the most roundabout way to get a sorted list of human-readable directory sizes
[17:38] <BigRedS> du -sh `du -s * | sort -rn | awk '{print $NF}'`
[17:40] <shauno> (and breaks if names contain spaces ;)
[17:40] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[17:40] <BigRedS> it's of /home so they don't
[17:40] <BigRedS> I just hit enter then realised what I'd concocted
[17:48] <dwatkins> BigRedS: handy, I usually just use 'du -k' or 'du -ak | sort -rn'
[17:52] <BigRedS> I've just seen sort has a -h
[17:52] <BigRedS> compare human readable numbers (e.g., 2K 1G)
[17:53] <BigRedS> Hah, it didn't in Lenny. I feel less bad about having not noticed that before
[17:53] <dwatkins> oh neat :)
[18:28] <popey> Evening all
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:30] <brobostigon> o/
[18:33]  * MartijnVdS ponders buying/making a solar battery charger
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> option 2: using the hub dynamo on my bike
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> option 3: just recharge everything at night in hotel/b&b rooms
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> (I'm going to cycle around the Netherlands in September -- 1300km )
[18:38] <BigRedS> I've not yet come across a dynamo that didn't feel like a complete waste of energy
[18:38] <BigRedS> if you're staying in actual buildings I'd just charge there, perhaps with an auxiliary battery just in case
[18:39] <dwatkins> Adafruit sell a solar cell and the mintyboost which should charge USB devices if there's enough sun, in theory.
[18:40] <BigRedS> yeah, but then you're just asking to be rained on for the whole trip
[18:41] <dwatkins> True, I'd be interested in knowing how well it copes in various conditions, might get me one to try out, and make a box to charge a phone in.
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: This one is always on I think
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: and because it's in the hub, you don't feel it (like a bottle dynamo)
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Yeah, I've managed to find some cool things on adafruit and sparkfun
[18:42] <BigRedS> ah yeah, forgot about hub dynamos
[18:42] <BigRedS> despite you mentioning it initially :)
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: :)
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> I need to power a GPS logger as well.. unless I can power my phone during the ride
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> (and find a way to mount my phone in a water-proof way)
[18:43] <dwatkins> I'm really interested to know how bright this is: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dynamodirk/magnic-light-get-new-energy
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> good thing it isn't September yet
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: depends on the magnets. Good neodymium ones should be able to supply quite a bit of power
[18:44] <BigRedS> I've seen mock-ups of those that're pretty poor
[18:44] <BigRedS> as in home-made efforts
[18:45] <BigRedS> but these flashing ones people're using now seem as bright as the flashing battery ones, so they should be OK
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37e_OROP9dA
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: that's the same effect
[18:51] <dwatkins> I don't like flashing [front] bike lights, they make a bike visible, but blind drivers. They don't really illuminate the road/path either.
[18:52] <gord> anything that flashes is always annoying
[18:53] <BigRedS> I find that constant lights are generally much less well placed than flashing ones
[18:53] <BigRedS> I've always advocated the 'moving' lights
[18:54] <BigRedS> quick search doesn't find a video, but the knight rider style ones
[18:54] <BigRedS> ld600s do it
[18:58] <dwatkins> yeah, I have a rear light that does a 'knight rider' thing up and down, that works well at making me more visible
[18:59] <dwatkins> When I'm cycling home along the canal path, I want a light that'll illuminate the path and any dogs people are taking for a walk with no lead.
[18:59] <dwatkins> If the people themselves are stupid enough to go out in the pitch black without any lights or reflective gear, that's their problem ;)
[18:59] <penguin42> dwatkins: Have you noticed that dogs seem to be getting smaller? Some you find in cities are >tiny<, you can just be walking along minding your own business, and if you're not careful you could completely squash one
[19:00] <dwatkins> yeah penguin42 - although some dogs have nifty LED collars
[19:01] <dwatkins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygasOBHBhgI&feature=fvst
[19:02] <penguin42> dwatkins: That's very very odd
[19:03] <dwatkins> the collars are odd, penguin42?
[19:03] <penguin42> oh just a pack of flashing dogs
[19:03] <penguin42> dwatkins: I mean wouldn't be easier to give them that glowing jelly fish gene?
[19:05] <madpup> So next quick question i have a M5A99x mobo and i cant get lm-sensors to work, sensors-detect finds the it87 sensor chip but modprobe says no such device? do i have to pass an argument to it87 to say which version it it?
[19:05] <dwatkins> penguin42: I thought that meant they ended up having no fur
[21:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Translation Help Needed! How To Translate Ubuntu Accomplishments - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/07/translation-help-needed-how-to-translate-ubuntu-accomplishments/
[22:18] <dogmatic69> anyone on 12.04 that can suspend properly? If I click suspend it either logs me out or reboots.
[22:18]  * bigcalm grabs his laptop to find out
[22:18] <bigcalm> How recently did you upgrade?
[22:20] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: I have the latests and greatest of 12.04, also been a problem since 12.04b2 was out
[22:20] <dogmatic69> not that i tried b1 or earlier
[22:20] <bigcalm> It was find for me last night
[22:30] <Laney> how 'bout that boat race :O
[22:31] <bigcalm> Did somebody sink?
[22:32] <Laney> in a manner of speaking
[22:35] <bigcalm> Did you lose a lot of money betting?
[22:36] <Laney> someone managed to swim into the middle of the river and stop the race
[22:37] <Laney> and then there was a collision and one of oxford's blades broke, gifting cambridge the race
[22:37] <dogmatic69> lol
[22:37] <dwatkins> flail
[22:37] <Laney> and then at the end one of oxford's rowers passed out
[22:41] <bigcalm> Nice
[22:42] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: you can suspend ok?
[22:43] <bigcalm> Sorry, got side tracked :)
[22:43] <dogmatic69> hehe
[22:43] <dogmatic69> np
[22:57]  * bigcalm sleeps
[23:07] <dogmatic69> what package handles shutdown / suspend etc?
[23:11] <hamitron> upstart?
[23:12] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Thing is it's a bunch of things - upstart, pm-utils, the kernel etc
[23:19] <dogmatic69> just need one for a bug report. best guess for suspend
[23:25] <dogmatic69> bug 976276
[23:25] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 976276 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Suspend either logs out or reboots, not suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/976276
[23:26] <dogmatic69> I was just thinking, could it be that my swap is too small to suspend?
[23:50] <BigRedS> That'd be a dumb way to react if it was
[23:52] <dwatkins> I could understand a failed suspend locking the screen.
[23:57] <dogmatic69> here is another one, If I ctrl+alt+l (lock screen) I can still see the title bar of the app last used and the dock on the left
[23:57] <dogmatic69> that seems like a possible security issue.