| ScottK | Yes. | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | Definitely about the backports PPA. | 00:02 |
| JontheEchidna | for example, new Qt releases go in there | 00:04 |
| JontheEchidna | which were issues w/ Qt 4.5 and, to a lesser extent, 4.6 | 00:04 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: In your qapt upload, is reverting from compat 9 to compat 8 on purpose? | 00:20 |
| Daskreech | ScottK: So backports are available but it won't install the packages from that repo? | 00:39 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: ooh, no. | 01:21 |
| JontheEchidna | nice catch | 01:21 |
| JontheEchidna | I accidentally based that upload off my oneiric backport packaging | 01:23 |
| CIA-42 | [qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120408013044-bxmw2d10sgkhyoft * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed) | 01:31 |
| CIA-42 | * Cherry-pick several patches from the 1.3 branch: (LP: #976159) - Add | 01:31 |
| CIA-42 | fix_misreported_marking_errors.diff to stop marking errors being reported as | 01:31 |
| Daskreech | JontheEchidna: Did I understand that correctly? | 01:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Daskreech: they won't be considered the "candidate version" by apt even though they are a higher version | 01:32 |
| Daskreech | What accomplishes that? | 01:32 |
| Daskreech | The package or a flagging of the repo? | 01:32 |
| JontheEchidna | the different pockets of the main repository have different priorities | 01:33 |
| Daskreech | Ah repo priority | 01:35 |
| Daskreech | and that's just realy low priority | 01:35 |
| Daskreech | JontheEchidna: can ou give some advice in #kubuntu I've lost track of how wicd interacts with KDE | 01:35 |
| JontheEchidna | I dunno either | 01:36 |
| JontheEchidna | NM has always been fine for me, never messed with WICD | 01:37 |
| Daskreech | JontheEchidna: Just need to know if you have to remove kde-network-management if you are installing wicd | 01:42 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't think that's a package | 01:42 |
| Daskreech | !info kde-network-manager | 01:44 |
| ubottu | Package kde-network-manager does not exist in oneiric | 01:44 |
| Daskreech | hmm | 01:44 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I'll reject it so you can re-upload. | 01:49 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: thank you | 01:49 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Done. | 01:50 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: the new upload's in the approval queue | 01:56 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, found a website using oxygen icons: http://outputlogic.com/ | 02:09 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Accepted. | 03:19 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 03:19 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/75TEk.jpg | 03:24 |
| ybit | ping | 03:25 |
| ybit | i voiced a concern in #kubuntu, i'm wondering where such suggestions should be addressed | 03:26 |
| ybit | http://paste.ubuntu.com/919879/ for the message being referenced | 03:27 |
| === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc | ||
| ybit | ronnoc: ping | 03:44 |
| ybit | i'm looking for a place to voice my observations concerning my experience with kubuntu | 03:45 |
| ybit | somewhere besides irc, preferably on launchpad | 03:45 |
| ybit | wb ronnoc | 03:47 |
| ScottK | ybit: Write a mail to kubuntu-devel. IIRC bouncy cursors are the upstream default. | 03:49 |
| === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc | ||
| ybit | what about default mouse speed? | 03:50 |
| ybit | default installed wallpapers | 03:50 |
| ScottK | I'm pretty sure we don't change that either. | 03:50 |
| ScottK | Default wall paper is definitely upstream. | 03:50 |
| ybit | clock not having short date by default | 03:50 |
| ScottK | If you apt-get kubuntu-default-settings you can see what setting changes from upstream defaults we do. | 03:51 |
| ybit | for kubuntu... | 03:51 |
| ybit | if autologin is selected during installation, you can't logout to kdm | 03:51 |
| ScottK | What happens if you logout? | 03:51 |
| ybit | i haven't tried tonight | 03:52 |
| ybit | it's a fresh install, i wanted to waste time on irc first | 03:52 |
| ybit | dist-upgrade breaks kde apps' functionality momentarily | 03:52 |
| ybit | for new users this can be confusing | 03:52 |
| ScottK | You mean upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04? | 03:53 |
| ybit | especially if you launch rekonq and suddenly you are presented with 30 gwenview windows, no way to group them all together and close them at the same time | 03:53 |
| ScottK | I'm sure we don't do any chages from upstream that would cause that. | 03:53 |
| ybit | nope | 03:54 |
| ybit | 11.10 | 03:54 |
| ybit | after a fresh install, i always do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade | 03:54 |
| ronnoc | JontheEchidna: Thank you for Muon. Wish I could buy you a beer :) | 03:54 |
| ybit | i was able to test i installed kubuntu twice today aon this machine | 03:54 |
| ybit | the first time muon did this | 03:54 |
| ybit | ..before i got to it | 03:54 |
| ybit | i had the same problem of the package manager updating kde stuff and most everything not working | 03:55 |
| JontheEchidna | ronnoc: you'd have to wait until this August in the U.S. :P | 03:55 |
| ronnoc | ybit: You could go see if any devs at kde-devel are around and receptive. | 03:55 |
| * ronnoc didn't "officially" say that | 03:56 | |
| ScottK | ybit: For full KDE version upgrades you need to restart your session. | 03:56 |
| ronnoc | JontheEchidna: By then it will have accrued enough interest to be a 12-pack | 03:56 |
| ybit | JontheEchidna: i had two problems with muon tonight, (a) it was doing stuff and i didn't know what, it was telling me that it was configuring ijpf or some package for about 15 mins at which point i just decided to turn my machine off.. which of course i knew was bad, but nothing was working and it seemed muon was frozed... when i reinstalled kubuntu | 03:57 |
| JontheEchidna | ybit: on 11.10? | 03:57 |
| ybit | and after doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade muon crashed but debug symbols weren't installed by default, in particular it didn't have muon-dbg,i should have taken better notes here, but i was unable to submit a report because the crash reporter crashed :P | 03:58 |
| ybit | after reboot, things have settled | 03:58 |
| ybit | and looking at my notes, most of the complaints are indeed kde related | 03:59 |
| ybit | JontheEchidna: yeah | 03:59 |
| JontheEchidna | the hang on large commits was fixed w/ QApt 1.2.3, I've got 1.3.0 on the QApt PPA: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt/ | 03:59 |
| ybit | anyway, i'm not venting, just sharing my experience | 03:59 |
| JontheEchidna | but you'll also need the kubuntu-backports PPA | 03:59 |
| ybit | even if it's probably not the appropriate place | 03:59 |
| ybit | ronnoc: for kde, bugs.kde.org is the best way to discuss stuff | 04:01 |
| ronnoc | ybit: you have an audience. We all want Kubuntu to kisck ass. :) | 04:01 |
| ronnoc | ybit: I know...I said that in the other channel :p | 04:01 |
| ybit | kubuntu has the easiest installation of all the other distros that offer kde | 04:02 |
| ybit | it also has apt (-get, -file) | 04:03 |
| ronnoc | ybit: glad you're here. Kubuntu's future actually is really bright. It's in a very good position to be in ATM. | 04:03 |
| ybit | opensuse ships webpin broken, i don't understand that | 04:03 |
| ybit | and zypper doesn't have an apt-file equivalent | 04:03 |
| * ronnoc returns channel to devel-type things | 04:03 | |
| ybit | also, kubuntu's printer discovery app actually discovers wireless printers painlessly | 04:04 |
| ybit | dragon instead of kaffeine, ^5 | 04:04 |
| ybit | kate instead of kwrite | 04:04 |
| ybit | one question though, why isn't *-dbg installed by default? | 04:05 |
| ybit | i can see that for a new user, it makes perfect sense for them to just click next, next, next to submit a bug | 04:05 |
| ybit | maybe say something in a form toward the end if they want to give further details | 04:06 |
| ronnoc | ybit: dng packages are really big | 04:06 |
| ronnoc | *dbg | 04:06 |
| ybit | i figured that it was to save space, but i didn't know *-dbg packages were large | 04:07 |
| ybit | most people have large enough HDDs anyway, how large are they? | 04:07 |
| JontheEchidna | CD space is the issue | 04:08 |
| ybit | ah | 04:08 |
| ybit | are they installed by default on dvd? | 04:08 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't think we even have enough room there | 04:08 |
| ronnoc | ybit: I fought this issue for years in my head (a DVD burner is less that $15 US) but it's a bandwidth issue | 04:08 |
| ronnoc | ybit: for people downloading the CD in places that have slow connections | 04:09 |
| ybit | i was playing on windows 8 awhile ago and noticed they handle reboots way more elegantly than any linux distro i've came across | 04:09 |
| ronnoc | JontheEchidna: Going forward - the odds of a non-PAE computer not having a DVD burner are almost nill. Maybe the issue will come up again | 04:10 |
| ybit | typically after you click the reboot button, things just seem to crash and you are dropped to a command line for a second before it shows a shutdown splash screen for a second and then it reboots, eek | 04:10 |
| ybit | right, now i'm complaining :) | 04:12 |
| ybit | off to bugs.kde.org | 04:12 |
| * ybit attempts to logout and see if the auto-login = no kdm problem still exists | 04:29 | |
| ybit | sweet, not a problem now | 04:30 |
| ybit | rekonq gave a crash dialog when logging out, that's about it | 04:31 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 11:32 |
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| BluesKaj | bbl...stuff to do | 18:32 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Splash Screen Testers Needed | Precise: Beta 2 Released - Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | http://ur1.ca/8kamo TODOs! |http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce |wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries | Milestoned beasties http://goo.gl/9iyUD | KDE SC 4.8.2: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | package: kde telepathy, plasma NM 0.9.0 http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.co | ||
| Riddell | anyone tested 4.8.2 ? | 19:58 |
| BluesKaj | yup, running it right now | 20:01 |
| BluesKaj | a few minor crashes , but none after i did a clean install a few days ago... decided to get rid of corrupted config files in mysql , akonadi and whatever else was wrong, Riddell | 20:04 |
| ronnoc | Riddell: No issues here. Been running it for about a day before the announcement. | 20:07 |
| ronnoc | Only issue I'm seeing out there is people complaining about Firefox integration, or lack thereof, since the kubuntu firefox package was apparently dropped for 12.04. | 20:08 |
| ScottK | ronnoc: Unfortunately with the new FF rapid release model, the integration patches aren't supportable anymore. | 20:10 |
| Riddell | ScottK: actually the netrunner guys want to work on that and want a bit of working working out what would be needed | 20:15 |
| ScottK | That would be great. | 20:15 |
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| ronnoc_ | ScottK: Meaning the patches break too fast? | 21:43 |
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| JontheEchidna | ronnoc: yes, the files that they patch change too often, usually meaning manual reconstruction of the patch | 22:18 |
| ronnoc | JontheEchidna: I see | 22:37 |
| JontheEchidna | it's not a technical matter stopping maintenance, just a lack of manpower/motivation | 22:40 |
| JontheEchidna | which is not helped by constant breakage | 22:40 |
| JontheEchidna | meaning that if somebody (like the netrunner guys) cared enough, they could pay some of their employees to maintain the patch as part of their duties | 22:41 |
| ronnoc | JontheEchidna: I'd donate to a maintainer. Use it or not, Firefox is fairly important and a new user isn't going to understand these intricacies. | 22:44 |
| JontheEchidna | well, if the thing with Netrunner works out, hopefully it won't be an issue. | 22:45 |
| ronnoc | In true open source fashion I think it will somehow work itself out. I may look to file a bug at Mozilla for KDE support, though I'm sure it's already been requested. | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, Mozilla doesn't care too much about KDE | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | they didn't want to merge the original patch upstream | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm fairly sure there's a wontfix'd bug lying around in their bugtracker about merging the original patch. | 22:47 |
| ronnoc | So they're firmly laying their support for Ubuntu and Ubuntu alone still. Seems a tad short-sighted. | 22:47 |
| * ronnoc goes to look | 22:47 | |
| ronnoc | I did read that there's a movement to add FF support for Mint KDE 13 that is gaining traction. Whether that's from Netrunner or Mint Devs I'm not sure. | 22:49 |
| Daskreech | ronnoc: Why is it shortsighted? | 23:39 |
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