[08:03] <Mr__> WTF did you guys do to the new Lubuntu 12.04
[08:03] <Mr__> you totally screwed it up
[08:04] <Mr__> just tried the daily build
[08:04] <Mr__> installs fine
[08:04] <Mr__> but its ugly as hell
[08:04] <Mr__> you guys totally jacked the theme
[08:04] <Mr__> the last one was nice
[08:04] <Mr__> this one is hidious
[08:04] <Mr__> too light for one
[08:04] <Mr__> and the blue is too blue
[08:05] <Mr__> the widets in the menu are just plain bad
[08:05] <Mr__> and for god sake after installing lubuntu addons and extras
[08:05] <Mr__> flash doesn't even work in chromium
[08:05] <Mr__> are you guys purposes trying to sink this puppy or what
[08:05] <Mr__> what a nightmare
[08:05] <Mr__> website might as well say 18 days till disaster
[08:06] <bioterror> where you were when these things was on discussion?
[08:06] <Mr__> i have said things over and over and over
[08:06] <Mr__> no one listens to any suggestions
[08:06] <Mr__> they just say well i hear him but we want to do this
[08:07] <Mr__> my god how could you pick that theme
[08:07] <Mr__> totally ugly
[08:07] <Mr__> hideous
[08:07] <bioterror> technically you are right
[08:07] <Mr__> the panel disappear into every full screen app
[08:07] <Mr__> you loose it
[08:07] <bioterror> as I have changed my 12.04 to 11.04 :D
[08:07] <Mr__> the blue looks like crayola
[08:07] <Mr__> the widgets are to black and flat
[08:08] <Mr__> the width of everything is too wide
[08:08] <Mr__> all the windows and menus are too wide
[08:08] <Mr__> and how the hell does flash not even work in the default browser?
[08:08] <Mr__> and to top it all off
[08:09] <Mr__> not even away to go back to the previous theme
[08:09] <Mr__> geez thanx
[08:09] <Mr__> or even the previous working flash, on either chromium or firefox for that matter
[08:09] <Mr__> WTF!
[08:09] <Mr__> terrible!
[08:09] <iceroot> yes, terrible how much lines are here :)
[08:10] <Mr__> how the hell can't you do actual important stuff
[08:10] <Mr__> like getting rid of the damn penguin games and replacing them with gnome games
[08:10] <Mr__> or installing the extra 2d screensavers for more variety
[08:10] <iceroot> why not doing it yourself with apt-get?
[08:10] <Mr__> or maybe gmusicbrowser to handle large music files
[08:10] <bioterror> yes
[08:11] <Mr__> or asunder for ripping cds
[08:11] <iceroot> use apt-get to install/remove what you want
[08:11] <bioterror> Mr__, you can use mini iso, install what you want and be happy
[08:11] <Mr__> how about gtkpod for those with evil ipods
[08:11] <bioterror> you're free to install gtkpod
[08:11] <Mr__> why the kdjfkjdk do you want to change the entire look every six months
[08:11] <Mr__> how lame
[08:11] <iceroot> can you please stop this useless flaming?
[08:11] <Mr__> xfburn is also buggy as hell
[08:11] <Mr__> should at least include brasero
[08:11] <iceroot> !bug | Mr__
[08:12] <iceroot> rasero has to much dependencies
[08:12] <iceroot> b
[08:12] <Mr__> i just don't under stand the need to put so much concentration on a new theme
[08:12] <Mr__> when so much else could be done to make it nicer
[08:12] <iceroot> then do it
[08:12] <bioterror> Mr__, we have artwork team
[08:12] <iceroot> you are free to support lubuntu with your work
[08:12] <bioterror> Mr__, and we have other teams for other things
[08:12] <Mr__> and to kill flash somehow 18 days before big launch ummmmm waisting too much time on the new theme?
[08:12] <bioterror> Mr__, so if someone does artwork, it's not off from other teams
[08:13] <Mr__> please
[08:13] <AngelForget> Mr__,  xfburn is super
[08:13] <Mr__> stop worrying about how the damn thing looks every six months
[08:13] <Mr__> find a good one
[08:13] <Mr__> which you had
[08:13] <Mr__> and work on more important things
[08:13] <iceroot> yes, the grey on black bug was not important
[08:13] <iceroot> ...
[08:14] <Mr__> xfburn frequently has trouble blanking discs for me and sometimes trouble seeing new connected drives
[08:14] <iceroot> Mr__: then install another app and report bugs
[08:14] <iceroot> have you reported that bug?
[08:14] <iceroot> if not, please stop flaming here
[08:14] <Mr__> the bug is     concentrating on a new look every six months
[08:15] <iceroot> the bug is your flaming here which is not usefull
[08:15] <Mr__> tooo much time was waisted there... other things are much more important ,,, besides   honestly the new theme is truly hideous
[08:15] <iceroot> usefull is a normal disussion
[08:15] <bioterror> hahaha
[08:15] <iceroot> and the theme has changed?
[08:15] <bioterror> Mr__, now you can stop repeating yourself
[08:15] <Mr__> ok
[08:15] <Mr__> lol
[08:17] <Mr__> i'm just trying to think of something to tell my customers
[08:17] <AngelForget> for me Lubuntu 12.04 Beta 2 is great
[08:17] <bioterror> this channel is your customers?
[08:17] <iceroot> !remaster | Mr__
[08:18] <Mr__> i sell quite a few old systems with lubuntu on them.,,,,, most loved the last release, look , feel, performance, things just working,,, but i am in the process of loading the new one on some machines i just picked up and i'm just in shock
[08:18] <iceroot> build your own installation with gnome-games instead of others, with another burning app and so on
[08:18] <Mr__> this is gonna keep me from doing regular visit upgrades for my older clients that are just too timid with the computer to do it themselves
[08:18] <iceroot> and if you find bugs, reports bugs
[08:19] <iceroot> flaming in this channel is useless, start a usefull discusion instead
[08:19] <bioterror> probably your more matured clients might like the lighter look better for their eyes than the dark one
[08:19] <Mr__> bitching about something is discussion,
[08:20] <Mr__> thats why i'm bitching because there is something that needs discussed
[08:20] <Mr__> thats how it works
[08:20] <iceroot> how a flaming is working normaly: someone is flaming, others are trying for aout 5 minutes to start a usefull discussion, after that the ignore-part is starting
[08:20] <bioterror> Mr__, what do you think: is that broken flash already repoterted on launchpad?
[08:21] <bioterror> reported
[08:21] <Mr__> bioterror, i'm afraid if it is, which i don't know for sure, it seems a little worrisome that is broken so close to release
[08:22] <bioterror> not the first time
[08:22] <iceroot> then check if it is reported instead of flaming us
[08:22] <bioterror> and whole last release there was this xfce4-power-manager bug on taskbar
[08:22] <bioterror> which is nice fixed
[08:22] <bioterror> I assume that wasnt a big deal
[08:23] <Mr__> xfce4 power manager is a bit different than flash not working
[08:23] <iceroot> flash is working fine here
[08:23] <iceroot> fine like flash can be....
[08:23] <Mr__> installed lubuntu addons and extras
[08:23] <Mr__> loaded youtube on chromium
[08:23] <Mr__> missing plugin
[08:23] <iceroot> !bug | Mr__
[08:23] <Mr__> loaded on firefox
[08:23] <Mr__> nothing appeared
[08:23] <iceroot> !enter | Mr__
[08:23] <Mr__> i'm not that much of a linux noob
[08:24] <Mr__> ok
[08:25] <iceroot> i dont see the reason to discuss this flash issue here, because flash is not lubuntu-related, the only usefull place for that is launchpad with a bug-report
[08:25] <Mr__> right
[08:25] <Mr__> pass the buck
[08:25] <bioterror> flash is restricted extra
[08:25] <Mr__> sounds like typical support
[08:25] <bioterror> or partner stuff
[08:25] <bioterror> but you can enable partner repository, remove flashplugin-installer with purge and install adobe-flashplugin
[08:26] <bioterror> hope that solves part of your flash problems
[08:26] <iceroot> Mr__: if you dont want to report your issues on launchpad... i dont see a reason for further discussions
[08:26] <bioterror> it's easier to whine about problems than try to solve them
[08:26] <Mr__> iceroot, understood
[08:26] <iceroot> Mr__: fine, you can use "ubuntu-bug packagename" to easily report bugs
[08:27] <Mr__> right bioterror because listening to whine means realizing there are issues
[08:27] <bioterror> no
[08:27] <Mr__> no one likes a bitcher because it screws up others egos
[08:27] <bioterror> having reported bugs means we have issues
[08:27] <iceroot> Mr__: this is #lubuntu, normally working on lxde-parts and bring them together as lubuntu, we dont provide flash
[08:27] <bioterror> then those can be solved and you get informed about them being fixed
[08:27] <iceroot> so this place is useless for a "bug in flash" discussion
[08:28] <bioterror> but as you wish
[08:28] <Mr__> i submit bug reports when its something i really can't tackle
[08:28] <iceroot> then create that bug
[08:28] <Mr__> but with a new release i am expecting bugs but i'm also expecting basics to work
[08:28] <bioterror> or that it affects you
[08:28] <Mr__> like it or not flash is pretty basic feature to expect to work in linux anymore
[08:28] <iceroot> and flash is working fine here
[08:29] <bioterror> hahaha
[08:29] <Mr__> and you expect a distro that had a very nice theme to remain on a similiar course for a least more than one release
[08:29] <bioterror> flash is as thirdparty as thirdparty can be
[08:29] <Mr__> yes but installing lubuntu addons and extras is almost full proof for the most part
[08:29] <bioterror> you could expect oracle's java to work too?
[08:30] <Mr__> and if it was so third part why are there special meta packages to handle the job
[08:30] <Mr__> built but canoncial and or the dev teams
[08:30] <iceroot> stop it please now and report that bug
[08:30] <bioterror> Mr__, becouse people like you seem to demand that broken stuff .D
[08:31] <Mr__> right bioterror if you can't handle the debate result to humilation
[08:31] <Mr__> very big of you
[08:32] <Mr__> can i report that as a bug
[08:32] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/976425
[08:32] <iceroot> takes me 10 seconds for searching
[08:32] <Myrtti> no flash in 12.04? there was an update yesterday that fixed it for me
[08:32] <Mr__> i just did a fresh install and applied the updates
[08:33] <Mr__> no fixy
[08:33] <iceroot> Mr__: please stop this discussion here
[08:33] <iceroot> i posted you the bug
[08:33] <Myrtti> you *did* relaunch the browser?
[08:33] <iceroot> use that bug for discussion
[08:33] <iceroot> or #ubuntu-bugs
[08:33] <Mr__> iceroot     ,,, glad you found it, but thats not my point, my point is that is a little troublesome so close to the release date
[08:33] <iceroot> Exchanging it by the adobe-flashplugin package solves it.
[08:34] <iceroot> 12.04 is a beta release
[08:34] <iceroot> if you dont know what beta means please dont use 12.04
[08:35] <Mr__> oh , shove it, its more or less supposed to be gold copy now, and this is very troublesome
[08:35] <iceroot> its beta2
[08:35] <bioterror> it's development release
[08:35] <bioterror> it's not final
[08:35] <bioterror> and things gets broken
[08:35] <bioterror> get over it
[08:35] <bioterror> your precious 11.10 still has couple years of support
[08:35] <bioterror> use it then
[08:35] <iceroot> use 11.10 and e happy and switch to 12.04 when it is final
[08:35] <Mr__> i just don't wanna see lubuntu screw up
[08:35] <Mr__> honestly
[08:36] <Mr__> i damn near preach it for older machines
[08:36] <iceroot> Mr__: then work on launchpad
[08:36] <Mr__> i luv it
[08:36] <bioterror> then you're welcome to join the teams and do your part in not screwing it up
[08:36] <Mr__> and i've tried launchpad and discussion forums
[08:36] <iceroot> your whole discussion here is so useless
[08:36] <Mr__> but people are too sensitive anymore
[08:36] <bioterror> discussion forums is wrong place
[08:36] <Mr__> proven in here quite frequently
[08:36] <bioterror> we have "mailing lists"
[08:36] <iceroot> i dont see a comment from you on that bug
[08:36] <iceroot> so where do you work on launchpad?
[08:36] <Mr__> when something is discussed , its usually debated and debates get loud
[08:36] <Mr__> good ones anyway
[08:36] <Mr__> under the guise of buntfu
[08:37] <Myrtti> this isn't really the venue for debates
[08:37] <Mr__> old site i once ran
[08:38] <iceroot> so lets look at the points 1. 12.04 is beta2 2. the only usefull place for bugs is launchpad 3. we dont like if we get flamed
[08:38] <Mr__> i'm not flaming
[08:38] <Mr__> i'm complaining LOL
[08:38] <iceroot> and we are always happy for feedback
[08:38] <iceroot> but not feedback like yours in that style
[08:38] <Mr__> complaing unfortunately are feedback
[08:38] <Mr__> and usually the most common
[08:39] <Myrtti> Mr__: no, it's not. Feedback is constructive, this isn't it
[08:39] <iceroot> its just useless flaming
[08:39] <Mr__> and i don't feel you should have the right to dictate my style of feedback
[08:39] <Mr__> who are you to think that
[08:39] <Mr__> honestly
[08:39] <bioterror> Mr__, now you can start behaving
[08:39] <Mr__> its feedback regardless if you like it or not
[08:39] <Myrtti> Mr__: we have tried to tell you where your feedback would be appreciated more - this is mainly and foremostly a support channel, not development or bugfix or beta release channel
[08:40] <Mr__> the lubuntu site refers to this channel
[08:40] <iceroot> not for reporting bugs in flash
[08:40] <Mr__> i'm not reporting a bug
[08:40] <iceroot> that is the problem!!!!!!
[08:40] <Mr__> i'm bitching about the new release
[08:41] <Mr__> i mean i'm not reporting the bug to this channel
[08:41] <iceroot> or launchpad....
[08:41] <Mr__> i came to this channel to discuss the current mess its in
[08:41] <Myrtti> Mr__: your opinion has been noted. Can we move on now?
[08:41] <Mr__> apparently you can only speak in this channel if you have good things to say
[08:41] <Mr__> no
[08:41] <Mr__> you don't get to dictate that to me
[08:42] <Myrtti> you'd be surprised
[08:42] <Mr__> why the hell does everyone want to be a little dictator lol
[08:42] <Mr__> no i wouldn't be
[08:42] <Myrtti> great
[08:42]  * iceroot wonders why Myrtti is always waiting so long....
[08:43] <Mr__> watch when this thing hits,
[08:43] <Mr__> i'm imaging the review won't be as warm as 11.10
[08:43] <iceroot> bioterror 1 Myrtti 0 :)
[08:43] <Myrtti> iceroot: I was just writing the last warning...
[08:44] <iceroot> Myrtti: :)
[08:44] <Myrtti> and I was going to mute, but oh well
[08:44]  * Myrtti goes to make breakfast
[08:44] <bioterror> @comment 48139 did not understand what we tried to say to him. constantly kept "bitching" about theme and how channel does not react for bugs.
[08:44] <bioterror> hope that went there :D
[08:45] <bioterror> I have not commented before :D
[08:45] <Myrtti> bioterror: pm usually works the best
[08:45] <bioterror> okay
[08:45] <bioterror> did not respond at all
[08:45] <bioterror> sasdasd
[09:16] <nothingspecial> o/ AngelForget
[09:16] <nothingspecial> o/ jarnos
[09:16] <AngelForget> hello nothingspecial
[09:17] <jarnos> nothingspecial, what?
[09:17] <nothingspecial> just waving
[09:20] <jarnos> nothingspecial, your name says it all :)
[09:20] <nothingspecial> lol
[09:23] <bioterror> we have this #lubuntu-offtopic for the conversations and wavings ;)
[09:23] <bioterror> nothingspecial, you're free to join
[09:24] <nothingspecial> thanks bioterror
[11:09] <AmberJ_> What are minimum system requirements for Lubuntu 11.10?
[11:09] <AmberJ_> I'm especially interested in RAM and hard disk space.
[11:10] <AmberJ_> I'm installing 11.10 inside virtualbox to make/test some builds but I'm really low on resources on this system.
[11:12] <AmberJ_> Never mind. I found this on wikipedia: "Lubuntu 11.10 requires a minimum of 128 MB of RAM to run and 256 MB of RAM to install with the graphic installer. The recommended minimum RAM to run a live CD session is 384 MB."
[11:13] <AmberJ_> So, I'll go with 256MB for installation inside virtualbox.
[12:33]  * smile is singing
[13:31] <s_p_or_t_o> howdy, is orka part of lubuntu default apps?
[13:33] <s_p_or_t_o> nm, figured out the right google phrase lol
[15:28] <jfroim> Can someone please point me in the right direction on how to make a program start automatically on boot?
[15:37] <DerPate> jfroim look for the autostart folder or make a symlink to etc/init.d
[19:00] <KM0201> have you guys tried that new menu editing tool?  very slick.
[19:00] <KM0201> (well, new to me... not sure how new it actually is)
[19:12] <Mr__> anyone else experiencing numerous crashes and bugs with 12.04?
[19:13] <Mr__> i came in here last night furious and i apologize and was hoping for some updates today, however nothing has change yet, and i'm not sure if its just this particular system, but flash doesn't work even after many reistalls and purges, but there are many plain old "crashes"
[19:13] <Mr__> many different apps seems to crash out of no where
[19:14] <Mr__> is this just my system? or is this similiar to what others are experiencing
[19:17] <bioterror> no other problems on my daily usage than youtube pages might crash
[19:17] <bioterror> and chromium eats lots of RAM
[19:18] <KM0201> ive experienced about 5 crashes, been running since beta 2
[19:18] <KM0201> the flash problem was fairly simple to fix
[19:18] <KM0201> by simply updating
[19:21] <KM0201> Mr__: what have you done to try and fix flash? (by the way, i'm having zero probs out of chromium as well)
[19:26] <folo> hey guys
[19:26] <folo> anyone here?
[19:26] <folo> be
[19:26] <bioterror> yes
[19:26] <folo> hello?
[19:26] <folo> bioterror
[19:26] <bioterror> hi
[19:26] <folo> im thinking of installing lubuntu
[19:27] <folo> could i talk to you?
[19:27] <bioterror> sure
[19:28] <Mr__> don't install the beta folo
[19:28] <bioterror> !purelxde > folo
[19:28] <folo> what shall i install?
[19:28] <Mr__> i am even getting crashes with the installer
[19:28] <Mr__> the gui one anyway
[19:28] <Mr__> many crashes just doing daily routines
[19:29] <Mr__> just tried a reinstall using gui installer
[19:29] <Mr__> boom crash
[19:30] <Mr__> same spot, now maybe  it the system , so i am about to attempt on another sytem
[19:30] <KM0201> i'm having no problems with the beta... at all.
[19:30] <Mr__> i'm having massive issues unfortunately
[19:30] <Mr__> and i usually don't
[19:30] <KM0201> been using it for the last 4-5 weeks.. problems have been very vvery minor, and everytime i've submitted a bug report, it's a duplicate.
[19:31] <KM0201> Mr__: just because "you're"  having problems, doesn't mean there's a huge issue with the beta
[19:31] <Mr__> KM0201, and just because your not doesn't mean there isn't anything wrong with the beta either
[19:31] <KM0201> although, if you're new, you should probably stick w/ 11.10 for now.... unless there's some hardware reason you need 12.04
[19:31] <Mr__> i'm far from new
[19:31] <KM0201> Mr__: but i'm not the one proclaiming tons of problems, etc.. telling peopple to stay away from the beta
[19:31] <KM0201> Mr__: i wasn't saying you're new, i was really saying that for folo
[19:32] <Mr__> when things are working there is nothing to say
[19:32] <Mr__> oh
[19:32] <KM0201> strange, i've heard very few complaints here about 12.04... very few.
[19:33] <KM0201> Mr__: obviously if the installer is crashing, something is seriously wrong
[19:33] <bioterror> less problems on 12.04 than what we had with 10.10 :D
[19:34] <milen8204> I will try to umdate
[19:34] <milen8204> update*
[19:34] <Mr__> yea i am a big lubuntu fan
[19:34] <Mr__> but for some reason on two system now there are just major crashes and issues,,,,   i'm starting to wonder if there a bad stick of ram or something
[19:34] <KM0201> possible, or your install media is wonky
[19:35] <Mr__> KM0201, have tried cd and usb
[19:35] <Mr__> same stuff
[19:35] <KM0201> dunno, somethings weird
[19:35] <Mr__> although i will say there may be some suspicious ram, i had two stick in a system that was giving me problem though i narrowed it down to one stick but maybe the other is bad as well
[19:35] <KM0201> i've put 12.04 on two systems, including a laptop that was brand new in Feb... and everything has been fine
[19:35] <milen8204> KM0201,  How can I update ?
[19:36] <KM0201> milen8204: update what?
[19:36] <milen8204> Lubuntu to 12.04
[19:36] <KM0201> !upgrade
[19:36] <bioterror> milen8204, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:36] <Mr__> trying without suspected ram now, crossing fingers
[19:36] <milen8204> thanks
[19:37] <KM0201> actually, th eonly "problem" i've had w/ two machines running lubuntu 12.04 since alpha... is notification daemon crashing a few times... but i've not had that in a few days
[19:37] <KM0201> milen8204: i didn't really know the answer to you rquestion, because i never upgrade, i just clean install
[19:38] <milen8204> I have many things which do not want to lose
[19:38] <KM0201> well, make sure you're backed up.. anything can go wrong in an upgrade with any OS
[19:38] <milen8204> didn`t make a partition to /home
[19:38] <KM0201> neither did i
[19:39] <KM0201> i have all my data on a separate partition
[19:39] <KM0201> if i need to reinstall, i simply reinstall, and don't touch thta partition
[19:39] <KM0201> as for /home.. i have about 5 configuration files that i need, that i have backed up on that partition.. after a clean install, i just reinstall those apps, and move those configurations back to my new home... takes 2min
[19:40] <KM0201> plus, all that junk gets backed up to my file server
[19:40] <Mr__> nope
[19:40] <KM0201> Mr__: try the alternate cd?
[19:40] <Mr__> did it again, the installer just goes blank then leaves a spinning wheel
[19:40] <bioterror> alternate <3
[19:41] <Mr__> KM0201, i can install with the alternate cd, which i had done earlier, however i still ran into all those bugs
[19:41] <bioterror> Mr__, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/mini.iso
[19:41] <KM0201> hmm, dunno Mr__ obvioussly you're in the big minority
[19:42] <KM0201> yeah, mini iso is another option
[19:42] <Mr__> i mean like i'm on the desktop doing nothing and boom something come up about something crashing in the background, or chromium crashing all the time and i had flash working once then it quit and never came back always complaining of missing plugin or in firefox just a black window
[19:42] <Mr__> i followed the launchpad bug suggestion of uninstalling and reinstall adobe flash plugin    but still now joy
[19:43] <Mr__> and honestly i never have these type of numerous issues
[19:43] <milen8204> KM0201, can I make a partition now when all my space is used by Lubuntu ?
[19:43] <Mr__> now my next eperiment i guess will be install 11.10 and see if i have issues ,,, then i will try an upgrade from there and see if its any different then a fresh install
[19:43] <KM0201> it depends on how your system is set up i guess.
[19:44] <milen8204> I just have installed the live CD
[19:45] <milen8204> it was live USB but it is the same think
[19:45] <KM0201> how big is your hard drive?
[19:45] <Mr__> 80 gigs
[19:45] <KM0201> not you Mr__
[19:45] <KM0201> milen8204:
[19:45] <KM0201> Mr__: i'm not sure what your issues are, but i feel confident it's not related to hard drive size
[19:47] <milen8204> KM0201, I have 40 GB HD
[19:47] <milen8204> it is my old PC
[19:48] <KM0201> how full is the drive?
[19:49] <milen8204> 27%
[19:49] <milen8204> 27 GB free
[19:49] <KM0201> ok, and how many partitions does the drive have?  just  swap and /   ?
[19:49] <milen8204> no
[19:50] <milen8204> I have /dev
[19:50] <KM0201> ..
[19:50] <milen8204> I have /run ; run/lock
[19:50] <KM0201> why?
[19:50] <milen8204> I do not know :D
[19:50] <milen8204> I have run/shm
[19:50] <KM0201> sounds like a knucklehead set up your partitions
[19:51] <milen8204> i dint set anything
[19:51] <milen8204> It was automatic
[19:51] <KM0201> well, ubuntu by default doesn't set up /dev, /run, etc..
[19:52] <KM0201> do you have a way to back up important data on the 40gig hard drive? (ie, a USB drive or something?)
[19:52] <milen8204> I have USB 2 G
[19:52] <milen8204> I have a laptop :)
[19:52] <milen8204> in network
[19:53] <KM0201> that doesn't really answer the question
[19:53] <milen8204> but I do not know how to save my firefox settings, x-chat settings and so on :)
[19:53] <KM0201> open up your home folder
[19:53] <KM0201> click View/Show Hidden Files
[19:54] <KM0201> back up /.xchat   /.mozilla   and any other configuration folder you want
[19:54] <bioterror> h button should do the trick
[19:54] <milen8204> cntrl+H
[19:54] <bioterror> something like that
[19:54] <milen8204> ok done
[19:54] <KM0201> i usually back up xchat, pidgin, skype, chromium and t-bird
[19:54] <milen8204> I can see those files now
[19:55] <KM0201> everything else, i run close enough to default, i don't care if my settings are changed
[19:55] <bioterror> KM0201, why you want to backup chromium?
[19:55] <milen8204> Back up means copy the hidden files ?
[19:55] <KM0201> bioterror: favorite places, plugins, etc.. honestly i don't know "why" i do it, but i do...
[19:55] <bioterror> google sync does it for you ;)
[19:55] <KM0201> bioterror: i never tried google sync
[19:55] <bioterror> you dont need to copy all those non-needed caches
[19:56] <KM0201> (never even heard of it actually)
[19:56] <bioterror> KM0201, you have sync in chromium which uses your google account
[19:56] <KM0201> oh
[19:56] <bioterror> that's why I'm using chromium, becouse firefox did not have that
[19:56] <KM0201> yeah, but backing up the configuration file, saves my plugins (and I have adblock with a LOT of additions on it, due to a gun board that i visit being very very ad heavy)
[19:57] <milen8204> i THING THE UPDATE IS BUGGED
[19:57] <milen8204> ops sorry for the caps
[20:00] <milen8204> i have written  sudo do-release-upgrade -d , when the installation gets to the question do you want to proceed ? [yN] details [d] . When I typed "y" the question appears again in a new line
[20:00] <KM0201> type yes?
[20:00] <milen8204> :D
[20:00] <milen8204> i must type "yes"
[20:01] <milen8204> ok
[20:01] <KM0201> ok, gotta go
[20:02] <milen8204> it is enough to copy hidden files which I want to back up, and then paste in my new home folder after preinstall
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> For having your settings back you mean milen8204 ?
[20:08] <milen8204> ъес
[20:09] <milen8204> yes
[20:11] <folo> do i have to install wine?
[20:11] <folo> or does lubuntu already have it
[20:12] <bioterror> wine does not belong to default installation
[20:12] <folo> oh ok
[20:12] <folo> thanks alot bioterror you have helped me alot
[20:13] <bioterror> np
[20:14] <MrChrisDruif> !alot
[20:16] <bioterror> <3
[20:16] <folo> bio
[20:16] <folo> how do i run things with wine?
[20:17] <folo> open with
[20:17] <folo> then what?
[20:17] <bioterror> !wine | folo
[20:17] <bioterror> been a while since I last time needed wine
[20:17] <folo> how do i open something with wine lol
[20:17] <folo> when i click on open with
[20:17] <folo> then i click on wine
[20:17] <folo> it doesnt let me press ok
[20:23] <bioterror> !java
[20:27] <milen8204> how can I format my USB
[20:27] <milen8204> flash
[20:28] <bioterror> milen8204, with disk utility or gparted
[20:28] <filippo> hello
[20:28] <milen8204> bioterror, ok thanks will try
[20:29] <filippo> does anybody have experience with tv out on graphic cards?
[20:30] <bioterror> mostly people seems to use vga/hdmi/dvi to tv
[20:30] <bioterror> instead of s-video, I assume
[20:30] <folo> bio
[20:30] <folo> answer my query
[20:31] <bioterror> !apturl | folo
[20:31] <filippo> bioterror,  thanks but I own an old notebook with an s-video output and an older tv with scart :)
[20:31] <bioterror> folo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptURL
[20:32] <milen8204> bioterror, could you tell me how can I make bootable USB in Lubuntu ?
[20:32] <bioterror> milen8204, lubuntu usb stick?
[20:32] <bioterror> milen8204, installation media?
[20:33] <milen8204> I can not find it :)
[20:33] <bioterror> sudo dd if=lubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX
[20:34] <milen8204> ok thanks
[20:34] <bioterror> dmesg tells you your usb pen drives device name
[20:34] <bioterror> "ooo you just plugged in sdb" :D
[20:35] <bioterror> filippo, I cant help, been a while since last time used S-Video
[20:35] <KM0201> milen8204: you could also use unetbootin (thats what i usually use)
[20:35] <bioterror> KM0201, no need for unetbootin if you make normal installation media
[20:35] <bioterror> but for you persistence you might want to use it
[20:35] <milen8204> i have downloaded iso file and I want to but it to the usb
[20:35] <filippo> ok, it's just that the connection seems to be working but i can see only withe stripes on the tv monitor
[20:36] <KM0201> bioterror: meh, it's just less of a pain than dd (which i'd never really used until recently..)
[20:36] <filippo> white
[20:36] <bioterror> KM0201, :o
[20:36] <bioterror> dd is ten times faster
[20:36] <KM0201> yes
[20:36] <KM0201> but unetbootin has a GUI.. which can be more simple for the novice
[20:36] <KM0201> and unetbootin isn't that slow to be frank
[20:37] <bioterror> you have dd'd that file on your usb in the time it takes to install unetbootin ;)
[20:38] <milen8204> I do not have dd neither
[20:38] <bioterror> you should have it
[20:38] <bioterror> it belongs to base installation
[20:39] <filippo> ok so just a simpler question: how can I understand if the vcad drivers are installed and working? I red about glxinfo but I'm not sure about the output
[20:40] <milen8204> KM0201, what distribution should I chose ?
[20:40] <KM0201> on unetbootin?
[20:40] <milen8204> yes
[20:40] <milen8204> UBUNTU
[20:40] <milen8204> ?
[20:40] <KM0201> yes that should work fine
[20:41] <bioterror> choose iso file on your harddrive ;)
[20:41] <milen8204> :D
[20:41] <KM0201> milen8204: yes, choose the ISO on your hard drive if you've already downloaded the iSO
[20:42] <bioterror> I hate unetbootin
[20:42] <KM0201> that should be obvious, but..
[20:42] <milen8204> ok thanks for the help
[20:42] <KM0201> bioterror: meh, it works, thats the only thing i require of it
[20:42] <bioterror> becouse you have to run it as root, and then navigate thru the /home/user/fooo/file
[20:42] <milen8204> I thimk I am burning my USB now :Д
[20:42] <milen8204> :)
[20:42] <bioterror> dont burn it
[20:42] <milen8204> why ?
[20:42] <bioterror> you cant use it then
[20:42] <bioterror> :D
[20:43] <KM0201> i've been considering upgrading my nas to 7200rpm dries
[20:43] <KM0201> *drives
[20:43] <KM0201> just not sure i'd see any real benefit.
[20:43] <bioterror> depends what you move
[20:43] <bioterror> and store
[20:43] <KM0201> mostly it's a media server
[20:43] <milen8204> ohh Yes I can I have 3 times burn it and 5 times fry it :D
[20:43] <KM0201> movies, music
[20:43] <bioterror> and if your network is the bottle neck
[20:44] <KM0201> thats the thing right there.
[20:44] <nm_geo> Interesting I just made two flash drives too.  Lubuntu-dessktop-amd64  &  Lubuntu-alternate-amd64
[20:44] <KM0201> i think my router is the bottleneck
[20:44] <milen8204> it has stop on 4%
[20:44] <KM0201> milen8204: it's not stopping
[20:44] <KM0201> it just pauses there for a few minutes
[20:44] <KM0201> (well, about 1min)
[20:44] <KM0201> let it finish
[20:44] <KM0201> it's unpacking something, if i recall correctly
[20:44] <milen8204> ok I am going to wait :D
[20:45] <bioterror> KM0201, you can stream 1080p movies from USB2.0 without a problem
[20:45] <bioterror> so 5400RPM drive wont be a problem for that use
[20:45] <KM0201> yeah
[20:45] <KM0201> i think its my router more than my laptop, so it's probably a pointless upgrade
[20:45] <KM0201> that was actualy the reasoning i was using yesterday when thnking about this.
[20:46] <KM0201> i probably could have went w/ a faster cpu as well.
[20:46] <KM0201> it still works great though,
[20:46] <milen8204> I am going to restart and install Lubuntu 12.04 висх ме луцк :D
[20:46] <milen8204> wish me luck
[20:46] <milen8204> ?
[20:46] <milen8204> :D
[20:46] <KM0201> milen8204: come back here and we'll talk to you while you install
[20:46] <filippo> good luck
[20:46] <KM0201> lol, thats the beauty of live cd's
[20:46] <milen8204> ok
[20:47] <bioterror> alternate should have ssh
[20:47] <folo> OMG
[20:47] <folo> can someone help me
[20:47] <bioterror> and irssi/weechat/ircII :D
[20:47] <KM0201> folo: what is wrong?
[20:47] <milen8204> I will log on in my laptop :D
[20:47] <milen8204> bye
[20:47] <folo> basically
[20:47] <KM0201> bioterror: or you can use the freenode webclient
[20:47] <milen8204> thanks for the help
[20:47] <bioterror> as there's those tty's free
[20:47] <bioterror> KM0201, not with the alternate
[20:47] <KM0201> oh, i was referring to the live cd
[20:47] <nm_geo> You know all Ubuntu version are hybrid/isos and you can use dd to make your flash drives now
[20:47] <KM0201> he made a live usb didn't he?.. cuz i think the alt-cd doesn't work properly from USB.
[20:48] <bioterror> nm_geo, that's what I pointed out 10 minutes ago
[20:48] <nm_geo> yeah i was not in then
[20:48] <KM0201> nm_geo: of course i know that, i didn't say dd couldn't be used...
[20:48] <folo> im downloading this game called runescape, so i downloaded it onto desktop, i made it executable, and i now i want to open it with wine, and when i click on wine, it doesnt let me click okay, so i have to open other programs in wine, which arent the correct thing, what do i open it with, its called runescape.msi
[20:48] <filippo> ehm, not sure and sorry to interrupt but did you received my previous message?
[20:48] <bioterror> KM0201 just likes to point things with mouse instead of typing with keyboard
[20:48] <KM0201> folo: did you install it inside wine?
[20:49] <KM0201> bioterror: lol, touche'
[20:49] <folo> how do i do that?
[20:49] <KM0201> folo: wine "/path/to/file/setup.exe"
[20:49] <nm_geo> KM0201 THE ALT DOES WORK ON FLASH DRIVE
[20:49] <KM0201> nm_geo: i haven't tried it in a long time, so you might be right.
[20:49] <KM0201> i know e erytime i tried it before, it would choke on trying to find the installation media
[20:49] <nm_geo> I just made one today for this spin
[20:50] <milen8204> the USB didnt start :(
[20:50] <KM0201> milen8204: what did it do
[20:50] <folo> km0201
[20:50] <milen8204> didnt find some files
[20:50] <folo> i dont understand
[20:50] <nm_geo> milen8204 you want the dd command for USB
[20:50] <bioterror> milen8204, ofcourse not, you used unetbootin and it's really exact about the filesyste you use
[20:50] <milen8204> UI or some like this
[20:50] <bioterror> milen8204, that's why I in the first place suggested to use dd
[20:50] <folo> why can i just open it with wine?
[20:50]  * KM0201 has never had a problem with unetbootin
[20:51] <KM0201> folo: because it has to be installed inside wine, would be my assumption
[20:51] <milen8204> bioterror, I coundnt tun the dd
[20:51] <folo> how do i install it with wine
[20:51] <nm_geo> I use both and startup disk creator too
[20:51] <milen8204> tun=run
[20:51] <folo> you just gave me some code
[20:51] <folo> which i dont know how to use
[20:51] <bioterror> milen8204, why not?
[20:51] <bioterror> milen8204, if you have lubuntu installed, you have dd installed
[20:51] <milen8204> I do not know
[20:52] <bioterror> GNU/Linux Operating Systems never comes without dd
[20:52] <KM0201> folo: i told you   open a terminal, wine "/path/to/file/setup.exe"
[20:52] <milen8204> I have folder isolinux it mys be syslinux right ?
[20:52] <bioterror> milen8204, just dd that iso file to your usb drive
[20:52] <KM0201> milen8204: try dd, see if it works.. personally unetbootin/startup disk creator, have always worked for me
[20:52] <bioterror> and forget all the rest
[20:52] <filippo> how do I check drivers with glxinfo?
[20:52] <folo> km0201 i done that now what?
[20:53] <KM0201> you should have saw the installation of the file
[20:53] <milen8204> bioterror, hwat should I write in DD
[20:53] <folo> so if its on desktop
[20:53] <folo> what do i write for path?
[20:53] <bioterror> milen8204, dd if=/path/to/your/lubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX
[20:53] <folo> to the file
[20:53] <milen8204> bioterror, ok i am reading man page
[20:53] <bioterror> milen8204, put sudo before dd
[20:54] <bioterror> I've never seen any benefits for using these "bs=64k"
[20:54] <milen8204> bioterror, ok thanks
[20:54] <bioterror> or bs=4M
[20:54] <KM0201> folo: if it's on your desktop.... type this    cd ~/Desktop
[20:54] <KM0201> and your prompt should change
[20:54] <luxx> Hi there
[20:54] <milen8204> of=/dev/sdX stay thant way ?
[20:54] <luxx> I have a quick question
[20:54] <KM0201> folo: then type      wine setup.exe    and you should see it installing
[20:54] <bioterror> milen8204, if you dont have any other drives than the one lubuntu is installed and your usb, probably the usb stick is /dev/sdb
[20:55] <bioterror> but dmesg tells you
[20:55] <bioterror> or sudo blkid
[20:55] <folo> nope
[20:55] <folo> nothing happens
[20:55] <bioterror> luxx, shoot
[20:55] <folo> could you help me in teamviewer or something
[20:55] <KM0201> folo: hold on just a second
[20:55] <luxx> How can I uninstall a web browser? When I apt-get remove firefox, epiphany (?) installs instead. What do I need to remove to get rid of every browser?
[20:56] <bioterror> luxx, sudo apt-get purge <insertname>
[20:56] <KM0201> folo: it is a .exe file you downloaded, right?
[20:56] <folo> its a .msi file
[20:56] <bioterror> KM0201, it's .msi
[20:56] <luxx> ah perfect
[20:56] <folo> but its made for windows
[20:56] <KM0201> hmm
[20:56] <luxx> thanks!
[20:56] <luxx> I'll try that
[20:56] <folo> it worked under ubuntu
[20:56] <folo> i jsut opened it with wine
[20:56] <luxx> (It
[20:57] <luxx> (it's for my 'productivity' virtualbox guest)
[20:57] <KM0201> hold on
[20:57] <KM0201> let me see if i can get this working
[20:58] <folo> how do i install teamviewer now?
[20:59] <KM0201> folo: you relaly dont' need teamviewer for this.
[20:59] <KM0201> do you have wine installed?
[20:59] <folo> yes
[20:59] <folo> i went on synaptic
[20:59] <folo> and i ticked wine 1.2
[20:59] <folo> and i installed it
[20:59] <folo> i can see it in menu
[20:59] <KM0201> hold on, i'm installing to make sure this works
[20:59] <KM0201> ok, it does
[21:00] <KM0201> you downloaded the runscape.msi  right?
[21:00] <folo> shall i send u the runescape file
[21:00] <folo> yeah
[21:00] <KM0201> and it's on your desktop, right?
[21:00] <folo> yh
[21:00] <milen8204> bioterror, i written sudo dd if=precise-desktop-i386.iso  of=/dev/sdX
[21:00] <milen8204> and nothing happends
[21:00] <bioterror> milen8204, common sense
[21:00] <bioterror> milen8204, replace X with the correct device
[21:00] <KM0201> ok, so in a terminal type cd ~/Desktop
[21:00] <KM0201> and you should see the prompt change
[21:01] <milen8204> bioterror, ok
[21:01] <bioterror> milen8204, as I told you, check from the dmesg or with sudo blkid
[21:01] <folo> i type cd ~/Desktop then?
[21:01] <KM0201> did you hit enter?
[21:01] <folo> ye
[21:01] <KM0201> ok, did you see your prompt change?
[21:01] <folo> lol
[21:01] <folo> it just changes directories...
[21:01] <KM0201> right
[21:02] <KM0201> thats what i wanted.... you didn't strike me as super l33t with command line, so i was making sure we were in the right directory
[21:02] <folo> lol
[21:02] <KM0201> put this in command line..  wine msiexec /i RuneScape.msi
[21:02] <folo> i was better with ubuntu
[21:02] <folo> but ye
[21:02] <KM0201> ubuntu/lubuntu   command line is command line
[21:02] <folo> yaaaay
[21:02] <folo> it worked
[21:03] <folo> i love you man <3
[21:03] <KM0201> i know
[21:03] <folo> i need to remember this stuff
[21:03] <KM0201> i agree
[21:03] <folo> hold on
[21:04] <folo> i installed runescape
[21:04] <folo> but no files come up
[21:04] <folo> its still runescape.msi
[21:04] <folo> on desktop
[21:04] <bioterror> sure it is
[21:04] <milen8204> bioterror, how to understand which is my USB device ?
[21:04] <bioterror> it installed them into secrect wine folder
[21:04] <bioterror> milen8204, sudo blkid
[21:05] <KM0201> it should have also put an icon on the desktop that just says "Runescape" and is probably shaped like a wine glass
[21:05] <KM0201> open it
[21:05] <milen8204> ohh thanks
[21:05] <folo> km0201 nope
[21:05] <folo> there is no RuneScape file
[21:05] <folo> still RuneScape.msi on desktop
[21:05] <bioterror> do you have it in your menu?
[21:05] <folo> what? wine?
[21:05] <bioterror> does it have Programs or something
[21:06] <bioterror> yeah, the "start menu"
[21:06] <folo> yeah
[21:06] <folo> wine then programs
[21:06] <folo> then i have runescape
[21:06] <folo> and runescape folder
[21:06] <bioterror> geee
[21:06] <bioterror> could it be that?
[21:06] <folo> the licenses and runescape again
[21:06] <folo> NO
[21:06] <folo> thats from before
[21:06] <folo> when i was downloading lubuntu
[21:06] <folo> it has my file from ubuntu
[21:07] <folo> plus that says unable to load parameter file. please reinstall program
[21:07] <bioterror> sounds nice
[21:07] <folo> in terminal it says
[21:07] <folo> fixme:msi:controlevent_spawndialog doing nothing
[21:08] <folo> time to use teamviewer?
[21:08] <folo> ?
[21:09] <filippo> anybody?
[21:10] <milen8204> bioterror,  sudo dd if=/home/deny/Свалени/Lubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb1
[21:10] <milen8204> what is wrong ?
[21:10] <bioterror> milen8204, leave that 1 off
[21:10] <bioterror> it's just sdb
[21:10] <milen8204> :D
[21:10] <milen8204> ok
[21:10] <bioterror> milen8204, and replace Lubuntu.iso with correct file name, if that's not the correct
[21:10] <KM0201> i gotta leve in 5min, so i'm out on teamviewer
[21:10] <bioterror> mostly it is that preciseblaablaa
[21:10] <milen8204> i have renamed the iso file
[21:10] <bioterror> okay
[21:11] <milen8204> after download
[21:11] <KM0201> besides, that sounds like a specific runescape prob, vs a linux prob
[21:11] <folo> someone help me
[21:11] <KM0201> folo: jesus, quit whining
[21:11] <milen8204> sould I format the usb first ?
[21:11] <folo> lol
[21:11] <bioterror> milen8204, no
[21:11] <folo> im asking for help?
[21:11] <folo> im not whining
[21:11] <bioterror> milen8204, dd will do it for you ;)
[21:11] <KM0201> no, you're whining
[21:11] <folo> i just wanna play rs lol
[21:11] <folo> lol if you say so sir
[21:11] <KM0201> then install windows
[21:11] <bioterror> folo, install xbill and play it instead
[21:11] <folo> whats xbill?
[21:11] <milen8204> but nothing happend  :)
[21:12] <milen8204> the cursor is on the next line and just stay there
[21:12] <bioterror> yes
[21:12] <bioterror> it takes a while
[21:12] <bioterror> breeaaaattthhh
[21:12] <milen8204> ok
[21:12] <milen8204> :):D
[21:13] <milen8204> first time did the same thing :D
[21:13] <bioterror> but yeah, it should make you -\|/- -thingie spinning
[21:13] <bioterror> it would make more sense, that something is happening
[21:13] <folo> bioterror
[21:13] <folo> how can i complete remove wine
[21:13] <folo> so i can reinstall?>
[21:13] <KM0201> sudo apt-get purge wine
[21:13] <bioterror> do not remove wine
[21:13] <bioterror> remove ~/.wine/
[21:13] <folo> im gonna reinstall
[21:13] <folo> see if that helps
[21:13] <bioterror> and configure it again
[21:14] <KM0201> bioterror: lol, xbill  i just caught that
[21:14] <bioterror> yeah, better than runescape!
[21:14] <milen8204> ok I am going to take a shower  will tell what happed then :D
[21:14] <bioterror> milen8204, take it while installing!
[21:15] <bioterror> boot the usb first ;D
[21:15] <folo> bioterror
[21:15] <folo> sudo apt-get install wine
[21:15] <folo> to reinstall wine?
[21:15] <bioterror> no
[21:15] <folo> then?
[21:15] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge wine
[21:15] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install wine
[21:15] <bioterror> but as I said
[21:15] <bioterror> nothing will change
[21:15] <bioterror> as you have that ~/.wine/ folder
[21:16] <bioterror> which has all your configurations and all the mystical files installed
[21:16] <folo> how do i delete that?
[21:16] <bioterror> !cli | folo
[21:16] <KM0201> lol
[21:16] <folo> -_-
[21:17] <folo> could i please have the command lol, i gotta go sleep in 10minutes
[21:17] <folo> il read that tomorrow
[21:17] <bioterror> read it first as you bed time story
[21:17] <bioterror> you will see nice matrix dreams then
[21:17] <folo> loooooooooool
[21:17] <folo> you trolls
[21:17] <bioterror> you will be lucid dreaming
[21:17] <KM0201> that runescape looks kinda fun actually
[21:17] <folo> lol
[21:17] <folo> km0201
[21:17] <folo> its fun if you know how to play
[21:18] <bioterror> KM0201, have you ever played the bat game?-)
[21:18] <KM0201> the bat game?
[21:18] <bioterror> yeah, THE at game
[21:18] <bioterror> bat
[21:18] <bioterror> KM0201, http://www.bat.org/ ;)
[21:18] <KM0201> i don't believe i have
[21:18] <folo> sudo apt-get purge ~./wine????/
[21:18] <luxx> I tried the purge and it didn't work :(
[21:19] <folo> is that the thing?
[21:19] <folo> no
[21:19] <bioterror> luxx, what did it reply you then?
[21:19] <folo> sudo apt-get purge ~/.wine/
[21:19] <luxx> default install has chromium; purge that and you get firefox; purge that and you get epiphany; purge that and you get firefox
[21:20] <luxx> in response to 'sudo apt-get purge firefox'
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> luxx; I don't know what you are talking about, but if you didn't install either Chromium or Epiphany, you won't have an internet browser
[21:20] <KM0201> lol
[21:20] <luxx> it says firefox will be removed, epiphany will be install
[21:21] <MrChrisDruif> It does? O_O
[21:21] <KM0201> i have a hard time believing that
[21:21] <luxx> MrChrisDruif thank you for that insightful contribution, I'm trying to remove the browser
[21:21] <bioterror> hahaha
[21:21] <folo> OMG
[21:21] <bioterror> how that's possible?
[21:21] <folo> Km0201
[21:21] <KM0201> ?
[21:21] <folo> i fixed it
[21:21] <folo> im sooo l3333t
[21:21] <KM0201> well, how did you fix it?
[21:22] <folo> i reinstalled wine
[21:22] <folo> then i did the cd to the directory
[21:22] <folo> then i did
[21:22] <folo> wine msiexec /i RuneScape.msi
[21:22] <folo> and then the runescape file with the wine symbol came
[21:22] <folo> yaaaay
[21:22] <folo> thanks alot for your help man
[21:22] <folo> i appreciate it
[21:22] <folo> you used your time on my
[21:22] <folo> me*
[21:23] <folo> and i understand if you think im an idiot
[21:23] <KM0201> i don't think you're an idiot
[21:23] <folo> you dont?
[21:23] <folo> :)
[21:23] <KM0201> no
[21:23] <folo> thanks man
[21:23] <KM0201> i just think that xannex in the proper dosage is a good thing sometimes
[21:23] <filippo> nobody?
[21:23] <folo> huh?
[21:24] <KM0201> folo: in other words, learn to relax
[21:24] <luxx> this is what I get: luke@luke-laptop-vm:~$ sudo apt-get purge epiphany-browser Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed:   firefox firefox-globalmenu Suggested packages:   firefox-gnome-support firefox-kde-support latex-xft-fonts The following packages will be REMOVED:   epiphany-browser* The following NEW packages will be installed:   
[21:24] <folo> lol
[21:24] <folo> ok
[21:24] <folo> well thanks man
[21:24] <folo> i gtg
[21:24] <luxx> so I'm guessing there's a dependency on having *some* browser
[21:24] <folo> enjoy your night
[21:24] <luxx> any idea how to fix this, anyone?
[21:25] <folo> good bye guys
[21:25] <KM0201> good night fol
[21:26] <filippo> nobody?
[21:28] <filippo> ok I guess I'll be back in another moment
[21:28] <filippo> bye to everyone
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> filippo; might it be a dependency for lubuntu-desktop ?
[21:28] <filippo> MrChris: sorry?
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> filippo; lubuntu-desktop is a meta-package
[21:29] <folo> lol
[21:29] <folo> km0201 you still there?
[21:29] <KM0201> yes
[21:29] <folo> could you send me that code again
[21:29] <folo> i forgot to copy it
[21:29] <KM0201> put this in command line..  wine msiexec /i RuneScape.msi
[21:29]  * MrChrisDruif is probably confusing questions here ^_^
[21:29] <folo> thanks man
[21:29] <filippo> MrChris: I just wanted to know how to check the drivers with glxinfo
[21:30] <folo> im gonna save that
[21:30] <filippo> MrChris: because the output seems incomprensible to me
[21:30] <folo> what is the /i for?
[21:31] <filippo> I tried glxinfo | grep vendor
[21:32] <filippo> but not sure about output
[21:32] <folo> bioterror
[21:32] <folo> is there a thing like alt+f2 ?
[21:33] <folo> i need to use xkill lol
[21:33] <bioterror> try
[21:33] <folo> try?
[21:34] <gm_> Hi/ For how long Lubuntu 12.04 will be supported?
[21:36] <milen8204> bioterror, guest what /
[21:36] <milen8204> Lubuntu do not detect the USB as a device
[21:36] <bioterror> milen8204, sounds weird?
[21:37] <filippo> ok understood
[21:37] <milen8204> for me too
[21:37] <filippo> bye bye
[21:37] <bioterror> few days ago I dd'd alternate to usb drive and installed it on another laptop
[21:37] <bioterror> gm_, I cant recall if was treated as LTS
[21:37] <milen8204> i will restart and try again
[21:38] <gm_> bioterror_, thanks, i tought so
[21:39] <bioterror> I think that's LTS
[21:39] <bioterror> oh, he went
[21:39] <bioterror> oh, gilir has said it's not LTS :D
[21:39] <bioterror> milen8204, did not work?
[21:41] <milen8204> yes
[21:41] <milen8204> PC went crazy
[21:41] <milen8204> start to make strange sounds
[21:41] <bioterror> :D
[21:42] <bioterror> I've see on movies, that when your computer gets infected or hijacked, the image on monitors starts to shake or something :D
[21:42] <milen8204> no
[21:43] <milen8204> When it attempt to boot the PC started the sounds like siren
[21:43] <milen8204> an I turn it off
[21:43] <milen8204> and I turned it off
[21:48] <milen8204> bioterror, I think that is bullsh*ts :D
[21:50] <milen8204> did that think happed to you ?
[21:51] <bioterror> I dunno what happened
[21:51] <bioterror> all I know, is that something is not working
[21:51] <bioterror> grab .md5 file and check if the md5sum matches with your iso file
[21:52] <milen8204> ok
[21:52] <bioterror> md5sum mini-12.04-NON-PAE.iso
[21:52] <bioterror> 0e7092aa6522288bb38870a9f98cd787  mini-12.04-NON-PAE.iso
[21:52] <bioterror> .md5 should have same md5checksum
[22:43] <Mr__> i have discovered, at least for me, that upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04 is far less troublesome then a fresh install of 12.04
[22:46] <Skater-AOA150> I'll probably download the iso for 12.04 on the 27th, when it's finalized