=== P4R4N01D1 is now known as P4R4N01D [08:03] WTF did you guys do to the new Lubuntu 12.04 [08:03] you totally screwed it up [08:04] just tried the daily build [08:04] installs fine [08:04] but its ugly as hell [08:04] you guys totally jacked the theme [08:04] the last one was nice [08:04] this one is hidious [08:04] too light for one [08:04] and the blue is too blue [08:05] the widets in the menu are just plain bad [08:05] and for god sake after installing lubuntu addons and extras [08:05] flash doesn't even work in chromium [08:05] are you guys purposes trying to sink this puppy or what [08:05] what a nightmare [08:05] website might as well say 18 days till disaster [08:06] where you were when these things was on discussion? [08:06] i have said things over and over and over [08:06] no one listens to any suggestions [08:06] they just say well i hear him but we want to do this [08:07] my god how could you pick that theme [08:07] totally ugly [08:07] hideous [08:07] technically you are right [08:07] the panel disappear into every full screen app [08:07] you loose it [08:07] as I have changed my 12.04 to 11.04 :D [08:07] the blue looks like crayola [08:07] the widgets are to black and flat [08:08] the width of everything is too wide [08:08] all the windows and menus are too wide [08:08] and how the hell does flash not even work in the default browser? [08:08] and to top it all off [08:09] not even away to go back to the previous theme [08:09] geez thanx [08:09] or even the previous working flash, on either chromium or firefox for that matter [08:09] WTF! [08:09] terrible! [08:09] yes, terrible how much lines are here :) [08:10] how the hell can't you do actual important stuff [08:10] like getting rid of the damn penguin games and replacing them with gnome games [08:10] or installing the extra 2d screensavers for more variety [08:10] why not doing it yourself with apt-get? [08:10] or maybe gmusicbrowser to handle large music files [08:10] yes [08:11] or asunder for ripping cds [08:11] use apt-get to install/remove what you want [08:11] Mr__, you can use mini iso, install what you want and be happy [08:11] how about gtkpod for those with evil ipods [08:11] you're free to install gtkpod [08:11] why the kdjfkjdk do you want to change the entire look every six months [08:11] how lame [08:11] can you please stop this useless flaming? [08:11] xfburn is also buggy as hell [08:11] should at least include brasero [08:11] !bug | Mr__ [08:11] Mr__: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [08:12] rasero has to much dependencies [08:12] b [08:12] i just don't under stand the need to put so much concentration on a new theme [08:12] when so much else could be done to make it nicer [08:12] then do it [08:12] Mr__, we have artwork team [08:12] you are free to support lubuntu with your work [08:12] Mr__, and we have other teams for other things [08:12] and to kill flash somehow 18 days before big launch ummmmm waisting too much time on the new theme? [08:12] Mr__, so if someone does artwork, it's not off from other teams [08:13] please [08:13] Mr__, xfburn is super [08:13] stop worrying about how the damn thing looks every six months [08:13] find a good one [08:13] which you had [08:13] and work on more important things [08:13] yes, the grey on black bug was not important [08:13] ... [08:14] xfburn frequently has trouble blanking discs for me and sometimes trouble seeing new connected drives [08:14] Mr__: then install another app and report bugs [08:14] have you reported that bug? [08:14] if not, please stop flaming here [08:14] the bug is concentrating on a new look every six months [08:15] the bug is your flaming here which is not usefull [08:15] tooo much time was waisted there... other things are much more important ,,, besides honestly the new theme is truly hideous [08:15] usefull is a normal disussion [08:15] hahaha [08:15] and the theme has changed? [08:15] Mr__, now you can stop repeating yourself [08:15] ok [08:15] lol [08:17] i'm just trying to think of something to tell my customers [08:17] for me Lubuntu 12.04 Beta 2 is great [08:17] this channel is your customers? [08:17] !remaster | Mr__ [08:17] Mr__: Interested in remastering the Ubuntu !LiveCD or !Alternate installer? See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization - Or use tools such as http://uck.sourceforge.net/ or http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility [08:18] i sell quite a few old systems with lubuntu on them.,,,,, most loved the last release, look , feel, performance, things just working,,, but i am in the process of loading the new one on some machines i just picked up and i'm just in shock [08:18] build your own installation with gnome-games instead of others, with another burning app and so on [08:18] this is gonna keep me from doing regular visit upgrades for my older clients that are just too timid with the computer to do it themselves [08:18] and if you find bugs, reports bugs [08:19] flaming in this channel is useless, start a usefull discusion instead [08:19] probably your more matured clients might like the lighter look better for their eyes than the dark one [08:19] bitching about something is discussion, [08:20] thats why i'm bitching because there is something that needs discussed [08:20] thats how it works [08:20] how a flaming is working normaly: someone is flaming, others are trying for aout 5 minutes to start a usefull discussion, after that the ignore-part is starting [08:20] Mr__, what do you think: is that broken flash already repoterted on launchpad? [08:21] reported [08:21] bioterror, i'm afraid if it is, which i don't know for sure, it seems a little worrisome that is broken so close to release [08:22] not the first time [08:22] then check if it is reported instead of flaming us [08:22] and whole last release there was this xfce4-power-manager bug on taskbar [08:22] which is nice fixed [08:22] I assume that wasnt a big deal [08:23] xfce4 power manager is a bit different than flash not working [08:23] flash is working fine here [08:23] fine like flash can be.... [08:23] installed lubuntu addons and extras [08:23] loaded youtube on chromium [08:23] missing plugin [08:23] !bug | Mr__ [08:23] Mr__: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [08:23] loaded on firefox [08:23] nothing appeared [08:23] !enter | Mr__ [08:23] Mr__: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [08:23] i'm not that much of a linux noob [08:24] ok [08:25] i dont see the reason to discuss this flash issue here, because flash is not lubuntu-related, the only usefull place for that is launchpad with a bug-report [08:25] right [08:25] pass the buck [08:25] flash is restricted extra [08:25] sounds like typical support [08:25] or partner stuff [08:25] but you can enable partner repository, remove flashplugin-installer with purge and install adobe-flashplugin [08:26] hope that solves part of your flash problems [08:26] Mr__: if you dont want to report your issues on launchpad... i dont see a reason for further discussions [08:26] it's easier to whine about problems than try to solve them [08:26] iceroot, understood [08:26] Mr__: fine, you can use "ubuntu-bug packagename" to easily report bugs [08:27] right bioterror because listening to whine means realizing there are issues [08:27] no [08:27] no one likes a bitcher because it screws up others egos [08:27] having reported bugs means we have issues [08:27] Mr__: this is #lubuntu, normally working on lxde-parts and bring them together as lubuntu, we dont provide flash [08:27] then those can be solved and you get informed about them being fixed [08:27] so this place is useless for a "bug in flash" discussion [08:28] but as you wish [08:28] i submit bug reports when its something i really can't tackle [08:28] then create that bug [08:28] but with a new release i am expecting bugs but i'm also expecting basics to work [08:28] or that it affects you [08:28] like it or not flash is pretty basic feature to expect to work in linux anymore [08:28] and flash is working fine here [08:29] hahaha [08:29] and you expect a distro that had a very nice theme to remain on a similiar course for a least more than one release [08:29] flash is as thirdparty as thirdparty can be [08:29] yes but installing lubuntu addons and extras is almost full proof for the most part [08:29] you could expect oracle's java to work too? [08:30] and if it was so third part why are there special meta packages to handle the job [08:30] built but canoncial and or the dev teams [08:30] stop it please now and report that bug [08:30] Mr__, becouse people like you seem to demand that broken stuff .D [08:31] right bioterror if you can't handle the debate result to humilation [08:31] very big of you [08:32] can i report that as a bug [08:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/976425 [08:32] Launchpad bug 976425 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "Flashplugin-installer not giving flash in browsers" [Undecided,New] [08:32] takes me 10 seconds for searching [08:32] no flash in 12.04? there was an update yesterday that fixed it for me [08:32] i just did a fresh install and applied the updates [08:33] no fixy [08:33] Mr__: please stop this discussion here [08:33] i posted you the bug [08:33] you *did* relaunch the browser? [08:33] use that bug for discussion [08:33] or #ubuntu-bugs [08:33] iceroot ,,, glad you found it, but thats not my point, my point is that is a little troublesome so close to the release date [08:33] Exchanging it by the adobe-flashplugin package solves it. [08:34] 12.04 is a beta release [08:34] if you dont know what beta means please dont use 12.04 [08:35] oh , shove it, its more or less supposed to be gold copy now, and this is very troublesome [08:35] its beta2 [08:35] it's development release [08:35] it's not final [08:35] and things gets broken [08:35] get over it [08:35] your precious 11.10 still has couple years of support [08:35] use it then [08:35] use 11.10 and e happy and switch to 12.04 when it is final [08:35] i just don't wanna see lubuntu screw up [08:35] honestly [08:36] i damn near preach it for older machines [08:36] Mr__: then work on launchpad [08:36] i luv it [08:36] then you're welcome to join the teams and do your part in not screwing it up [08:36] and i've tried launchpad and discussion forums [08:36] your whole discussion here is so useless [08:36] but people are too sensitive anymore [08:36] discussion forums is wrong place [08:36] proven in here quite frequently [08:36] we have "mailing lists" [08:36] i dont see a comment from you on that bug [08:36] so where do you work on launchpad? [08:36] when something is discussed , its usually debated and debates get loud [08:36] good ones anyway [08:36] under the guise of buntfu [08:37] this isn't really the venue for debates [08:37] old site i once ran [08:38] so lets look at the points 1. 12.04 is beta2 2. the only usefull place for bugs is launchpad 3. we dont like if we get flamed [08:38] i'm not flaming [08:38] i'm complaining LOL [08:38] and we are always happy for feedback [08:38] but not feedback like yours in that style [08:38] complaing unfortunately are feedback [08:38] and usually the most common [08:39] Mr__: no, it's not. Feedback is constructive, this isn't it [08:39] its just useless flaming [08:39] and i don't feel you should have the right to dictate my style of feedback [08:39] who are you to think that [08:39] honestly [08:39] Mr__, now you can start behaving [08:39] its feedback regardless if you like it or not [08:39] Mr__: we have tried to tell you where your feedback would be appreciated more - this is mainly and foremostly a support channel, not development or bugfix or beta release channel [08:40] the lubuntu site refers to this channel [08:40] not for reporting bugs in flash [08:40] i'm not reporting a bug [08:40] that is the problem!!!!!! [08:40] i'm bitching about the new release [08:41] i mean i'm not reporting the bug to this channel [08:41] or launchpad.... [08:41] i came to this channel to discuss the current mess its in [08:41] Mr__: your opinion has been noted. Can we move on now? [08:41] apparently you can only speak in this channel if you have good things to say [08:41] no [08:41] you don't get to dictate that to me [08:42] you'd be surprised [08:42] why the hell does everyone want to be a little dictator lol [08:42] no i wouldn't be [08:42] great [08:42] * iceroot wonders why Myrtti is always waiting so long.... [08:43] watch when this thing hits, [08:43] i'm imaging the review won't be as warm as 11.10 [08:43] bioterror 1 Myrtti 0 :) [08:43] iceroot: I was just writing the last warning... [08:44] Myrtti: :) [08:44] and I was going to mute, but oh well [08:44] * Myrtti goes to make breakfast [08:44] @comment 48139 did not understand what we tried to say to him. constantly kept "bitching" about theme and how channel does not react for bugs. [08:44] hope that went there :D [08:45] I have not commented before :D [08:45] bioterror: pm usually works the best [08:45] okay [08:45] did not respond at all [08:45] sasdasd [09:16] o/ AngelForget [09:16] o/ jarnos [09:16] hello nothingspecial [09:17] nothingspecial, what? [09:17] just waving [09:20] nothingspecial, your name says it all :) [09:20] lol [09:23] we have this #lubuntu-offtopic for the conversations and wavings ;) [09:23] nothingspecial, you're free to join [09:24] thanks bioterror === EyesIsServer is now known as EyesIsMine [11:09] What are minimum system requirements for Lubuntu 11.10? [11:09] I'm especially interested in RAM and hard disk space. [11:10] I'm installing 11.10 inside virtualbox to make/test some builds but I'm really low on resources on this system. [11:12] Never mind. I found this on wikipedia: "Lubuntu 11.10 requires a minimum of 128 MB of RAM to run and 256 MB of RAM to install with the graphic installer. The recommended minimum RAM to run a live CD session is 384 MB." [11:13] So, I'll go with 256MB for installation inside virtualbox. [12:33] * smile is singing === KaiSforza is now known as KAISforza [13:31] howdy, is orka part of lubuntu default apps? [13:33] nm, figured out the right google phrase lol [15:28] Can someone please point me in the right direction on how to make a program start automatically on boot? [15:37] jfroim look for the autostart folder or make a symlink to etc/init.d [19:00] have you guys tried that new menu editing tool? very slick. [19:00] (well, new to me... not sure how new it actually is) [19:12] anyone else experiencing numerous crashes and bugs with 12.04? [19:13] i came in here last night furious and i apologize and was hoping for some updates today, however nothing has change yet, and i'm not sure if its just this particular system, but flash doesn't work even after many reistalls and purges, but there are many plain old "crashes" [19:13] many different apps seems to crash out of no where [19:14] is this just my system? or is this similiar to what others are experiencing [19:17] no other problems on my daily usage than youtube pages might crash [19:17] and chromium eats lots of RAM [19:18] ive experienced about 5 crashes, been running since beta 2 [19:18] the flash problem was fairly simple to fix [19:18] by simply updating [19:21] Mr__: what have you done to try and fix flash? (by the way, i'm having zero probs out of chromium as well) [19:26] hey guys [19:26] anyone here? [19:26] be [19:26] yes [19:26] hello? [19:26] bioterror [19:26] hi [19:26] im thinking of installing lubuntu [19:27] could i talk to you? [19:27] sure [19:28] don't install the beta folo [19:28] !purelxde > folo [19:28] folo, please see my private message [19:28] what shall i install? [19:28] i am even getting crashes with the installer [19:28] the gui one anyway [19:28] many crashes just doing daily routines [19:29] just tried a reinstall using gui installer [19:29] boom crash [19:30] same spot, now maybe it the system , so i am about to attempt on another sytem [19:30] i'm having no problems with the beta... at all. [19:30] i'm having massive issues unfortunately [19:30] and i usually don't [19:30] been using it for the last 4-5 weeks.. problems have been very vvery minor, and everytime i've submitted a bug report, it's a duplicate. [19:31] Mr__: just because "you're" having problems, doesn't mean there's a huge issue with the beta [19:31] KM0201, and just because your not doesn't mean there isn't anything wrong with the beta either [19:31] although, if you're new, you should probably stick w/ 11.10 for now.... unless there's some hardware reason you need 12.04 [19:31] i'm far from new [19:31] Mr__: but i'm not the one proclaiming tons of problems, etc.. telling peopple to stay away from the beta [19:31] Mr__: i wasn't saying you're new, i was really saying that for folo [19:32] when things are working there is nothing to say [19:32] oh [19:32] strange, i've heard very few complaints here about 12.04... very few. [19:33] Mr__: obviously if the installer is crashing, something is seriously wrong [19:33] less problems on 12.04 than what we had with 10.10 :D [19:34] I will try to umdate [19:34] update* [19:34] yea i am a big lubuntu fan [19:34] but for some reason on two system now there are just major crashes and issues,,,, i'm starting to wonder if there a bad stick of ram or something [19:34] possible, or your install media is wonky [19:35] KM0201, have tried cd and usb [19:35] same stuff [19:35] dunno, somethings weird [19:35] although i will say there may be some suspicious ram, i had two stick in a system that was giving me problem though i narrowed it down to one stick but maybe the other is bad as well [19:35] i've put 12.04 on two systems, including a laptop that was brand new in Feb... and everything has been fine [19:35] KM0201, How can I update ? [19:36] milen8204: update what? [19:36] Lubuntu to 12.04 [19:36] !upgrade [19:36] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [19:36] milen8204, sudo do-release-upgrade -d [19:36] trying without suspected ram now, crossing fingers [19:36] thanks [19:37] actually, th eonly "problem" i've had w/ two machines running lubuntu 12.04 since alpha... is notification daemon crashing a few times... but i've not had that in a few days [19:37] milen8204: i didn't really know the answer to you rquestion, because i never upgrade, i just clean install [19:38] I have many things which do not want to lose [19:38] well, make sure you're backed up.. anything can go wrong in an upgrade with any OS [19:38] didn`t make a partition to /home [19:38] neither did i [19:39] i have all my data on a separate partition [19:39] if i need to reinstall, i simply reinstall, and don't touch thta partition [19:39] as for /home.. i have about 5 configuration files that i need, that i have backed up on that partition.. after a clean install, i just reinstall those apps, and move those configurations back to my new home... takes 2min [19:40] plus, all that junk gets backed up to my file server [19:40] nope [19:40] Mr__: try the alternate cd? [19:40] did it again, the installer just goes blank then leaves a spinning wheel [19:40] alternate <3 [19:41] KM0201, i can install with the alternate cd, which i had done earlier, however i still ran into all those bugs [19:41] Mr__, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/mini.iso [19:41] hmm, dunno Mr__ obvioussly you're in the big minority [19:42] yeah, mini iso is another option [19:42] i mean like i'm on the desktop doing nothing and boom something come up about something crashing in the background, or chromium crashing all the time and i had flash working once then it quit and never came back always complaining of missing plugin or in firefox just a black window [19:42] i followed the launchpad bug suggestion of uninstalling and reinstall adobe flash plugin but still now joy [19:43] and honestly i never have these type of numerous issues [19:43] KM0201, can I make a partition now when all my space is used by Lubuntu ? [19:43] now my next eperiment i guess will be install 11.10 and see if i have issues ,,, then i will try an upgrade from there and see if its any different then a fresh install [19:43] it depends on how your system is set up i guess. [19:44] I just have installed the live CD [19:45] it was live USB but it is the same think [19:45] how big is your hard drive? [19:45] 80 gigs [19:45] not you Mr__ [19:45] milen8204: [19:45] Mr__: i'm not sure what your issues are, but i feel confident it's not related to hard drive size [19:47] KM0201, I have 40 GB HD [19:47] it is my old PC [19:48] how full is the drive? [19:49] 27% [19:49] 27 GB free [19:49] ok, and how many partitions does the drive have? just swap and / ? [19:49] no [19:50] I have /dev [19:50] .. [19:50] I have /run ; run/lock [19:50] why? [19:50] I do not know :D [19:50] I have run/shm [19:50] sounds like a knucklehead set up your partitions [19:51] i dint set anything [19:51] It was automatic [19:51] well, ubuntu by default doesn't set up /dev, /run, etc.. [19:52] do you have a way to back up important data on the 40gig hard drive? (ie, a USB drive or something?) [19:52] I have USB 2 G [19:52] I have a laptop :) [19:52] in network [19:53] that doesn't really answer the question [19:53] but I do not know how to save my firefox settings, x-chat settings and so on :) [19:53] open up your home folder [19:53] click View/Show Hidden Files [19:54] back up /.xchat /.mozilla and any other configuration folder you want [19:54] h button should do the trick [19:54] cntrl+H [19:54] something like that [19:54] ok done [19:54] i usually back up xchat, pidgin, skype, chromium and t-bird [19:54] I can see those files now [19:55] everything else, i run close enough to default, i don't care if my settings are changed [19:55]