[00:00] <wolfslord> but is from 2008
[00:00] <wolfslord> let me see if i find the bug number again
[00:01] <wolfslord> here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-pt/+bug/86923
[00:01] <wolfslord> well in mine it's not fixed
[00:02] <wolfslord> should I download something or what?
[00:03] <penguin42> wolfslord: That's an ancient bug - it's probably been broken again
[00:04] <wolfslord> exactly what i thought
[00:04] <Daekdroom> It's very possible they mistranslate it every time.
[00:06] <Daekdroom> Rosetta is not perfect at telling the context of a message/text.
[00:07] <wolfslord> is there anything I can do to fix it?
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> !info nedit | wolfslord
[00:09] <wolfslord> ok i'll try it
[00:09] <wolfslord> also, to report ir. I noticed that gnome-shell freezes when updating/installing packages
[00:10] <wolfslord> even non related packages
[00:15] <luigi2012sm64ds> help for my sound card please
[01:05] <ggreer> yessssss I finally got 12.04 installed. making a live usb with unetbootin caused all kinds of problems
[01:05] <ggreer> I finally created a parallels VM, installed 12.04 in it, then used the live usb creator in that vm
[01:05] <ggreer> and now I have 12.04 on my backup laptop
[01:06] <glosoli> and how you feel
[01:07] <ggreer> annoyed
[01:08] <penguin42> ggreer: With 12.04 if you have any Linux (or mac or Unix) you can do dd if=imagefile of=/dev/sdwhatever bs=1024k    and it shoud make a bootable thumb drive - the iso is also a bootable thumb image
[01:08] <ggreer> I tried that
[01:09] <ggreer> it just hung with no error message. I couldn't even get to the initial menu
[01:10] <ggreer> unetbootin created a bootable but corrupt installer
[01:10] <penguin42> huh, odd - you know that should be to /dev/sd? not to /dev/sd?1
[01:10] <ggreer> yes
[01:11] <glosoli> ggreer: what's the file system for usb thumb drive
[01:11] <glosoli>  ?
[01:11] <ggreer> dd if=ubuntu-12.04-beta2-alternate-i386.iso of=/dev/disk2 bs=1000000
[01:11] <ggreer> 716+1 records in
[01:11] <ggreer> 716+1 records out
[01:11] <ggreer> 716484608 bytes transferred in 473.225351 secs (1514045 bytes/sec)
[01:11] <ggreer> well it should be fat32 but the usb stick didn't even have a partition table after I used dd
[01:11] <ggreer> or iso9660
[01:14] <penguin42> ggreer: What was that on (/dev/disk2 ?)
[01:14] <penguin42> I don't know if the alternate CDs do that boot trick
[01:14] <ggreer> penguin42: I used dd on a mac
[01:14] <ggreer> the usb drive was /dev/disk2
[01:15] <penguin42> ggreer: Isn't there a /dev/rdisk as well on macs or am I misremembering?
[01:15] <ggreer> aw
[01:15] <ggreer> damnit
[01:15] <ggreer> oh
[01:16] <ggreer> it looks like rdisk is unbuffered and disk is buffered
[01:16] <ggreer> but they should read and write to the same thing
[01:16] <ggreer> so rdisk is faster if you're using dd
[01:16] <president> 12.04 New Install:SAGECOM 567 modem and NETGEAR  7550 both 6 inches away.  5/5 on SAGECOM but 1/5 on NETGEAR (and it's the newest one issued by my ISP).  Both different acc'ts at same address.  Any thoughts?  Thanx
[01:17] <president> IN RE:  wifi signal
[01:18] <penguin42> anyway, bed
[01:20] <physically_fit> is it a bug or a feature that the left panel won't hide?
[01:20] <ggreer> it can be changed in appearance settings
[01:21] <Daekdroom> A feature.
[01:21] <ggreer> wtf
[01:21] <ggreer> alt + tab doesn't show gnome-terminal
[01:21] <physically_fit> ggreer, thanks
[01:21] <ggreer> but it does show all the other running applications
[01:21] <Daekdroom> ggreer, is it in the current workspace?
[01:21] <ggreer> yes
[01:22] <physically_fit> it should've respected my previous setting: hide
[01:22] <Daekdroom> Can you access it by clicking its icon in the Launcher?
[01:22] <ggreer> yes
[01:22] <ggreer> actually, sort of
[01:22] <Belial`> anyone else having trouble with flash not working in 12.04?
[01:23] <ggreer> clicking on the terminal icon in the launcher causes it to open another terminal window
[01:23] <physically_fit> the hide/appear is still buggy though
[01:23] <ggreer> but the other terminal windows are still there
[01:23] <Daekdroom> physically_fit, buggy? How so?
[01:23] <ggreer> physically_fit: yeah, definitely. it's not auto-hiding for me even though I have auto-hide enabled
[01:23] <scientes> Belial`, flash is working fine for me, with x86-64
[01:23] <ggreer> not like I wanted to see the stuff underneath :/
[01:24] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, it doesn't appear sometimes. ggreer yep
[01:24] <Daekdroom> It's working ok for me.
[01:24] <Belial`> odd
[01:24] <Daekdroom> physically_fit, are you putting enough pressure to make it show up?
[01:24] <Daekdroom> In case you think it's not sensitive enough, you can change that in Appearance.
[01:24] <Belial`> it was working for me in beta 1. and i kept it updated through beta 2. but then i formatted my drive and eventually reinstalled beta 2. now i
[01:24] <Belial`> now i'm having flash issues.
[01:24] <Belial`> it shows it's installed.
[01:25] <Daekdroom> I was having that Flash issue earlier today.
[01:25] <Daekdroom> But there was a package upgrade that fixed it for me.
[01:25] <Belial`> ah ok.
[01:25] <Belial`> like it were as if flash wasn't installed?
[01:25] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[01:25] <Belial`> ok, cool. updating now.
[01:25] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, i move my cursor to the left and the panel doesnt appear but then it does- i had the same problem with this PC (old one) the first time Ubuntu released Unity they released a patch (my laptop then worked fine since day one)
[01:25] <Daekdroom> Firefox kept prompting me to install it, despite it being installed.
[01:26] <Daekdroom> physically_fit, are you pushing the edge?
[01:26] <Daekdroom> You can't only place your cursor there.
[01:27] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, what do you mean pushing the edge?
[01:27] <Daekdroom> ....
[01:27] <Daekdroom> You have to move your cursor as if you wanted it to move outside the screen.
[01:27] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, yeah. i've used unity for a long time
[01:28] <Daekdroom> I'm asking because they changed how reveal works at some point in 12.04
[01:28] <physically_fit> i push it 4 times, it doesn't appear, then the 5th time, for example, it does
[01:28] <Daekdroom> Tried changing the sensitivity?
[01:28] <Belial`> one thing i don't like about reveal is, when it's on autohide, you have to move the cursor even though it's already hovering over the launcher. else it will autohide.
[01:29] <Belial`> so like if i click on an app, i have to move the cursor down or up over the launcher to keep it from autohiding instead of just staying revealed because the mouse cursor is still on it.
[01:29] <Daekdroom> Belial`, hm.
[01:29] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, did that. no changes. i'll try to log in again.
[01:29] <Daekdroom> It doesn't hide the Launcher if I leave the cursor there.
[01:29] <Belial`> really?
[01:29] <Belial`> damn.
[01:30] <Belial`> let me check again. i took autohide off because of that reason.
[01:30] <Daekdroom> But I'm using a Unity version that's more recent than the one in the repos.
[01:34] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, it's working "better" now: i only need to push the edge 2 times no 4 like before...
[01:34] <ggreer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/951929
[01:34] <ggreer> sounds like my problem
[01:35] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, but it works fine sometimes, but i have that problem
[01:35] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, why didn't the installation respected my settings of keeping hidden?
[01:35] <Daekdroom> Did you upgrade from 11.10?
[01:36] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, me? yes
[01:36] <Belial`> ggreer, do you have "bias alt-tab to prefer windows on the current viewport" unchecked in the unity section of ccsm? it's under the "switcher" tab. once that's unchecked, all apps will show in alt+tab.
[01:36] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, i think it has to do with this old computer
[01:36] <ggreer> I don't have ccsm installed
[01:36] <physically_fit> not that old though
[01:37] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, i still want to knoe why didn't the installation respected my settings of keeping it hidden?
[01:37] <Daekdroom> Unity in Precise might be incompatible with old configuration.
[01:37] <spadez|lap> hmm i just installed 12.04 and no grub
[01:37] <Belial`> ggreer, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:37] <Belial`> ggreer, then press the super key and search for ccsm
[01:37] <ggreer> I did partition/format & install of 12.04 beta 2 like an hour ago. I'm still waiting for apt-get upgrade to finish
[01:37] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, did it respect your setting when you upgraded?
[01:37] <Daekdroom> 'There are some upgrade known issues for system installed before precise. On first boot, you will loose your compiz settings and can end up in a session with just the wallpaper, no interface. In that case, just logout/login again (rebooting eventually) and the next login will be fine.'
[01:38] <Daekdroom> On the Beta2 release notes.
[01:38] <Daekdroom> 'lose your compiz settings'
[01:39] <spadez|lap> if i split a hdd in half ( meaning half for ubuntu 12.04 half for another OS ) would it be safe to pick mount / for the 12.04 partition?
[01:41] <ggreer> ah, this describes my problem perfectly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/772063
[01:45] <Belial`> Daekdroom, was the update a patch of the flash package?
[01:45] <Belial`> i still haven't got it yet.
[01:46] <Daekdroom> I have 11.2.202.228ubuntu3 - flashplugin-installer installed
[01:46] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, i forgot to thank you for you help u_u
[01:47] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, i was busy checking if flash is working fine
[01:48] <llvllatrix> Hi All. Having trouble with gnome 2 panel in 12.04. I've mapped Mod4+f as my browser but when I use the combo, it activates desktop search. I did some googling but I can't seem to find anything. Any ideas?
[01:48] <scientes> > gnome 2 panel in 12.04. I'
[01:48] <scientes> disconnect
[01:49] <physically_fit> who was the guy having problems with flash? i have them too. it's crashing my Chromium.
[01:49] <scientes> gnome 2 is dead
[01:50] <llvllatrix> lol - yeah I know but I'm 10x more productive with gnome2 over unity
[01:50] <Daekdroom> What he means is that you're using GNOME 3.
[01:50] <llvllatrix> if you install gnome-panel you get the fallback option in gdm
[01:50] <Daekdroom> But it's gnome 3 regardless.
[01:51] <physically_fit> i can't watch YouTube anymore
[01:51] <Logan_> physically_fit: I was having problems with Flash as well. I did sudo apt-get purge chromium-browser flashplugin-installer, reinstalled them, and then it worked fine.
[01:52] <physically_fit> Logan_, thanks friend. will do that.
[01:52] <Logan_> np
[01:52] <spaceneedle> I still have Nvidia-common on my Intel graphics laptop. Its alleged purpose is to search for obsolete drivers. Weird.
[01:52] <Logan_> spaceneedle: It's a dependency of ubuntu-desktop.
[01:54] <spaceneedle> Logan: I know--but why? I use Intel graphics.
[01:54]  * Logan_ shrugs. ubuntu-desktop doesn't know that. :-P
[01:55] <Logan_> It seems like it shouldn't be a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, though, if it is only applicable to people with NVIDIA cards.
[01:55] <Logan_> But there may be some functionality that I'm not understanding.
[01:55] <Daekdroom> Whatever is shipped in the LiveCD is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, directly or indirectly.
[01:55] <Daekdroom> Hm.. Let me rephrase that.
[01:55] <Daekdroom> Whatever is installed by default.
[01:55] <Daekdroom> But yeah, it'd be nice if it could distinguish hardware.
[01:57] <Dr_willis> could be its part of the hardware-detection subsystem
[01:58] <Daekdroom> It is also possible that one decides to upgrade his graphics card.
[02:01] <ggreer> feature suggestion: install sl by default :)
[02:09] <physically_fit> Daekdroom, i forgot to tell you that i'm using Unity 2D! sorry about that. and it crashed on me just now while watching a youtube video (ubuntu asked me if i wanted to restart the panel).
[02:18] <stuntman_dan> eeyyyoooo anybody around?
[02:20] <ggreer> what's the primary key when ccsm says a shortcut is "<Control><Primary><Super>Up"?
[02:20] <ggreer> also that's a ridiculous default for maximize window
[02:21] <Daekdroom> ggreer, I don't think it's a key.
[02:22] <nak> what is the default version of python in 12.04?
[02:22] <ggreer> 2.7.3
[02:22] <bazhang> Version 2.7.2-9ubuntu6 nak
[02:22] <nak> is python 3.2 also installed by default?
[02:22] <Logan_> No.
[02:23] <Logan_> sudo apt-get install python3.2 for that.
[02:23] <stuntman_dan> anyone have any idea why alt+tab wouldn't work after installing gnome-panel? or how to fix it?
[02:23] <bazhang> !info linux | nak
[02:23] <stuntman_dan> or if not, is it a known issue?
[02:23] <bazhang> python 3.2?
[02:23] <Logan_> bazhang: That's different... :-P
[02:23] <bazhang> where is that even possible
[02:24] <Logan_> !info python3.2 | bazhang
[02:25] <nak> this might not be the best place to ask, but if I want to get into python dev, working on ubuntu stuff, plugins for software, is it best to start with 2.7 or 3?
[02:25] <nak> seems like 3 isn't very widely used, although it has been out for a while
[02:25] <Logan_> "If you don't know which version to use, start with Python 2.7; more existing third party software is compatible with Python 2 than Python 3 right now."
[02:25] <ggreer> use 2
[02:25] <Logan_> -http://www.python.org/download/
[02:25] <ggreer> most of the cool stuff got backported from 3 to 2 anyway
[02:26] <nak> good to know
[02:26] <nak> thanks
[02:26] <spacebug-> stuntman_dan: have you checked the settings in "system settings -> keyboard" ?
[02:27] <stuntman_dan> spacebug-, under navigation alt+tab is set to switch windows
[02:27] <stuntman_dan> so it looks like it's definitely in there, just doesn't seem to work
[02:28] <stuntman_dan> sorry it's actually listed as 'switch applications' but you get the idea
[02:28] <stuntman_dan> also, it works in the regular 'ubuntu' login mode, or 'ubuntu 2d'
[02:29] <stuntman_dan> just not in gnome classic
[02:29] <spacebug-> oh you're in gnome-classic
[02:29] <stuntman_dan> yeah when I say gnome-panel that's just what the package I installed was called, when you go to login it is listed as gnome classic though
[02:29] <stuntman_dan> there are two different ones, gnome classic and gnome classic without effects
[02:30] <spacebug-> and you use thae one with effects?
[02:30] <stuntman_dan> yes
[02:30] <spacebug-> ok
[02:30] <ggreer> wow, ccsm crashed and then apport crashed
[02:30] <stuntman_dan> although it doesn't really seem like there are any extra special effects that I can see
[02:30] <spacebug-> then you could also check in ccsm
[02:30] <stuntman_dan> ccsm
[02:30] <snadge> gnome classic without effects ftw ;0
[02:30] <stuntman_dan> sorry... little new here, haven't used ubuntu since 7.10 haha
[02:31] <stuntman_dan> snadge, what exactly are the differences?
[02:31] <snadge> no effects uses metacity.. effects uses compiz
[02:31] <spacebug-> stuntman_dan: install package compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:31] <snadge> no effects = high framerates in games :p
[02:31] <spacebug-> start with ccsm
[02:31] <stuntman_dan> spacebug-, alright one sec
[02:32] <spacebug-> alt+tab should be set to switch applications though
[02:32] <stuntman_dan> ah compiz.. I remember spending hours getting that all set up a few years ago, was pretty cool.
[02:33] <stuntman_dan> anyway when I installed the package it said that it was unable to fetch some archives, and to try update or try with --fix-missing
[02:33] <stuntman_dan> which would you recommend I try? or should I try both?
[02:34] <spacebug-> try update and see if that can do it
[02:34] <snadge> i like using compiz.. except when i want to play minecraft or other games
[02:34] <snadge> then i find myself logging out.. and logging in with gnome classic no effects :/
[02:34] <stuntman_dan> snadge, ah ok, well I guess when diablo 3 comes out I'll have to try using that heh
[02:34] <stuntman_dan> hmm
[02:35] <stuntman_dan> well it downloaded quite a few things when I did apt-get update
[02:35] <snadge> it would be nice if you could turn compositing off and on on the fly
[02:35] <snadge> without having to log out and back in again
[02:35] <snadge> similar to how windows does it
[02:35] <spacebug-> snadge: I think that can be done.. kind of
[02:36] <snadge> there needs to be a way to make compositing go away.. or not impact upon 3d performance in games
[02:36] <stuntman_dan> spacebug-, I did apt-get update but I don't see anything specifically referring to ccsm... should I just try the other one?
[02:36] <stuntman_dan> what exactly do you mean by compositing...?
[02:36] <spacebug-> trying to run cairo-dock in fallback-session asks to turn compositin on and then it does by itself without me having to logout
[02:36] <snadge> thats where the desktop interface uses the 3d capabilities of your gpu.. to do graphics
[02:37] <snadge> unfortunately it can/does interfere with performance of other applications which also wish to use opengl
[02:37] <ggreer> so... 12.04 is really really slow compared to 11.10
[02:37] <ggreer> and crashy
[02:37] <ggreer> try to select a wireless network, crash
[02:37] <spacebug-> for me it is faster and stable
[02:37] <snadge> i haven't found that.. and i would wager that depends on what you're using / how you've configured it
[02:37] <snadge> right
[02:37] <ggreer> this is a fresh install
[02:38] <ggreer> with mostly default settings
[02:38] <ggreer> I only changed auto-hide and a few keyboard shortcuts
[02:38] <stuntman_dan> only problem I've had so far with 12.04 was setting up the switchable ati/intel graphics and getting direct rendering to work with the intel graphics... that and alt+tab haha
[02:38] <stuntman_dan> spacebug-, so after ccsm is installed what exactly would I look for in there?
[02:38] <ggreer> also apport keeps crashing
[02:38] <snadge> i've seen apport crash yeah
[02:39] <snadge> ggreer: for giggles you could try using a different kernel
[02:39] <spacebug-> stuntman_dan: settigns for keyboard things ;)
[02:39] <spacebug-> though it should work to set them in system settings
[02:39] <snadge> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[02:39] <stuntman_dan> I just chose to install it with --fix-missing and it looks like it worked
[02:40] <snadge> lol theres a 3.4rc1 now
[02:40] <stuntman_dan> ah yeah, shows up under system settings>preferences now
[02:40] <snadge> i have to try it ;)
[02:40] <ggreer> and gnome-control-panel just segfaulted :/
[02:41] <ggreer> *control-center
[02:41] <ggreer> whatever
[02:41] <snadge> hmm ggreer.. im almost suspicious about your hardware
[02:41] <ggreer> this thing was running 11.10 just fine
[02:41] <snadge> im running precise on about 5 different pcs
[02:41] <ggreer> default install of 11.10. nothing special
[02:42] <snadge> you have installed all of the updates right?
[02:42] <stuntman_dan> ah hah!
[02:42] <ggreer> yes
[02:42] <stuntman_dan> got it! I just had to go into application switcher and then enable opengl and a few other things
[02:42] <snadge> well.. given the amount of crashing you're reporting.. and wireless not working.. im suspecting a kernel issue
[02:42] <ggreer> wireless works
[02:42] <snadge> its not terribly difficult to substitute the kernel for a mainline one
[02:42] <ggreer> but if I try to change wireless networks, network-manager crashes
[02:43] <ggreer> the hardware is an acer aspire one. intel graphics, atom CPU
[02:43] <ggreer> nothing amazing or exotic
[02:43] <snadge> interesting.. i have an aspire one also right next to me
[02:44] <snadge> AOD260
[02:44] <stuntman_dan> thanks guys
[02:44] <snadge> it works fine
[02:44] <ggreer> yeah. this thing was working fine with 11.10
[02:45] <ggreer> dmesg shows nothing crazy. just segfaults of random gnome applications
[02:45] <stuntman_dan> oh one other question actually, when I opened up ccsm there were a bunch of compatibility options, do I have to check off the one for gnome? or should I just leave it because I have it working already
[02:46] <stuntman_dan> uh oh, another problem has just started... I have no menu bars on the tops of any of my windows now hahaha
[02:47] <snadge> if you're running unity, thats normal
[02:47] <snadge> they're at the top of the screen.. mac style
[02:47] <stuntman_dan> no it's gnome classic
[02:47] <snadge> oh hehe
[02:47] <stuntman_dan> there should be the minimize/maximize and close buttons
[02:47] <stuntman_dan> also it makes moving windows around rather difficult... =\
[02:49] <snadge> compiz has crashed perhaps.. try compiz --replace
[02:49] <snadge> sometimes messing with settings in ccsm can cause it to crash ;)
[02:49] <stuntman_dan> hmmm... compiz --replace definitely did something, but it didn't fix the issue
[02:50] <stuntman_dan> Im lookin around in ccsm for something that might be related to it but I'm not really seeing anything...
[02:50] <stuntman_dan> I think it might be related to enabling composite and opengl though
[02:51] <stuntman_dan> was a requirement when I enabled the application switcher to make alt+tab work
[02:53] <stuntman_dan> oh now that I look back at my terminal, it looks like it has frozen on 'initializing gnomecompat options...done'
[02:54] <stuntman_dan> so it looks like the compiz --replace didn't do quite what it was supposed to...
[02:55] <Roasted> Fellas - Open Nautilus, and then hover over the icon that pops up for it below. Does it say gksudo nautilus?
[02:59] <stuntman_dan> so I ended up having to just hit ctrl+c... I will try compiz --replace again with the gnome compatibility plugin enabled in ccsm
[02:59] <stuntman_dan> ugh
[03:00] <ggreer> how do I remove the silhouette of a person with my username next to it in the upper-right?
[03:00] <stuntman_dan> so it crashed, and when the window popped up asking if I wanted to send kernel info to the developers, it appeared halfway off the top of the screen...
[03:01] <stuntman_dan> Initializing switcher options...done
[03:01] <stuntman_dan> compiz (core) - Warn: failed to receive ConfigureNotify event on 0x1000003
[03:01] <stuntman_dan> also failed on 0x1000014
[03:02] <stuntman_dan> then a segmentation fault =\
[03:02] <trism> ggreer: gsettings set com.canonical.indicator.session user-show-menu false; then you'll need to restart the panel or logout/back in
[03:02] <ggreer> awesome
[03:02] <ggreer> thanks
[03:03] <ggreer> this is a single-user computer so there's no reason to constantly display my username in the upper-right
[03:03] <stuntman_dan> but what if you forget what it is???
[03:04] <ggreer> it's already in the upper-left of every terminal window
[03:04] <trism> ggreer: makes sense to me, if I had a bunch of indicators, I would probably do the same
[03:10] <stuntman_dan> so I tried unchecking gnome compatibility, opengl, and composite to see if turning those off would put it back to the way it was before... ended up having to log out and log back in again
[03:10] <stuntman_dan> and still no menu bars on any of my windows :(
[03:13] <Daekdroom> stuntman_dan, have you tried resetting compiz/unity settings?
[03:14] <Daekdroom> ah. Nevermind, you're running classic.
[03:14] <stuntman_dan> yeah but gnome classic still uses compiz from what I understand
[03:14] <Daekdroom> It can use compiz or metacity. It's up to you.
[03:14] <stuntman_dan> and gnome classic (no effects) uses metacity, right?
[03:14] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[03:14] <stuntman_dan> well I really don't care which it uses, all I was trying to do was get alt+tab to work
[03:15] <stuntman_dan> which I did, but in doing that now my windows don't have menu bars anymore =\
[03:15] <stuntman_dan> Daekdroom, I also tried compiz --replace reset it and I just get a segmentation fault
[03:15] <stuntman_dan> or it hangs halfway through
[03:18] <stuntman_dan> on the plus side, now that I can use super+up and super+down to minimize/maximize, and I have alt+tab working I can still get by without having any menu bars
[03:19] <stuntman_dan> one thing that I've noticed though is that sometimes windows will appear partway off the top of the screen, and I'm unable to move them down haha
[03:22] <Daekdroom> Huh.
[03:22] <Daekdroom> What do menu bars have to do with minimize/maximize?
[03:22] <stuntman_dan> well
[03:22] <stuntman_dan> it has the little icon on it
[03:22] <stuntman_dan> to minimize, maximize, or close
[03:22] <Daekdroom> Isn't that the title bar?
[03:22] <stuntman_dan> sorry, title bar
[03:23] <Daekdroom> Could you try running 'gtk-window-decorator --replace'?
[03:23] <stuntman_dan> I sure could! one sec
[03:24] <stuntman_dan> I get a bunch of these: (gtk-window-decorator:7196): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[03:24] <Daekdroom> and nothing else happened?
[03:25] <stuntman_dan> yeah it just sits there
[03:25] <stuntman_dan> hmmm
[03:27] <stuntman_dan> ah hah!!
[03:27] <stuntman_dan> fixed!
[03:28] <stuntman_dan> I went into the compiz settings and enabled 'window decoration'
[03:28] <stuntman_dan> not sure exactly why or how that was disabled, but it all appears to be good
[03:29] <stuntman_dan> now in regards to my terminal window that has frozen after I tried gtk-window-decorator --replace... should I just try closing it?
[03:30] <Daekdroom> Yes. Unless it says there's a process running there.
[03:31] <Daekdroom> If it does, then you should start another window and use 'gtk-window-decorator --replace &disown' instead
[03:31] <Daekdroom> the '&disown' makes sure the terminal is not needed for the process to run.
[03:31] <stuntman_dan> ah ok
[03:32] <stuntman_dan> how do I move a window without clicking and dragging the title bar?
[03:33] <stuntman_dan> never mind, I got it!
[03:33] <Daekdroom> Alt + Left Click and drag does that, but you don't have to use the title bar then
[03:33] <stuntman_dan> man ccsm can change a LOT of shit
[03:33] <Daekdroom> That's why CCSM can break things so easily.
[03:33] <stuntman_dan> yeah Daekdroom it was just that after unmaximizing the window my title bar was off the top of the screen
[03:33] <stuntman_dan> after enabling the move thing in ccsm alt+click worked like a charm though
[03:33] <Daekdroom> In that case, I usually press Alt + Space and pick 'Move'
[03:34] <Daekdroom> Alt + Space works as a right click on the title bar
[03:34] <Onlyodin> Good tips there Daekdroom, thanks for that.
[03:35] <stuntman_dan> yeah when I saw that disclaimer I was pretty wary about just enabling things
[03:36] <stuntman_dan> especially when I'm not really much of a linux guru
[03:36] <stuntman_dan> what exactly does gtk-window-decorator actually do?
[03:36] <Daekdroom> It's what compiz uses to render title bars using metacity themes.
[03:37] <Daekdroom> In a unity session, it uses unity-window-decorator instead.
[03:38] <stuntman_dan> alright, another question then... what would you define compiz as? cause when I think of it I would term it as a theme
[03:38] <Daekdroom> It's a window compositor.
[03:38] <stuntman_dan> I was thinking of it more as compiz or metacity, not really both... get what I mean?
[03:39] <Daekdroom> Well.. It IS compiz or metacity.
[03:39] <stuntman_dan> like you are saying compiz using a metacity theme
[03:39] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[03:39] <stuntman_dan> are you just meaning it's a theme meant to look like metacity?
[03:39] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[03:39] <stuntman_dan> ah ok that makes a lot more sense then haha
[03:39] <Daekdroom> It used to support KDE too, but that was recently dropped.
[03:40] <stuntman_dan> yeah I never really liked kde, only used it a few times though
[03:41] <stuntman_dan> basically all of my experience with any linux distro has been using gnome though so maybe I'm just used to it
[03:42] <stuntman_dan> alright well all of my problems seem to have been fixed! I'm off to bed now
[03:42] <stuntman_dan> thanks guys
[03:48] <lsmagalhaes> hello everyboy, I'm using 12.04 beta
[03:48] <lsmagalhaes> and last time that I ran apt-get upgrade the flash-plugin crashed.
[03:51] <Belial`> lsmagalhaes, i had an issue with flash not working today. it was as if it wasn't even installed. reinstalling it fixed the problem.
[03:51] <Belial`> just a heads up in case you have problems with flash after that crash.
[03:51] <lsmagalhaes> so, apt-get remove --purge solves the problem?
[03:52] <Belial`> i actually did it through synaptic.
[03:53] <Belial`> but i think you're looking for "sudo apt-get install --reinstall <packagename>"
[03:56] <sagaci> yeah, chromium and chrome don't seem to be working with flash
[03:58] <Onlyodin> funny that, seeing as there was an annoucement about flash and those browsers only a couple of months ago
[04:04] <astraljava> Oh, chrome works, but currently you have to reinstall flashplugin-installer.
[05:25] <OffGridOps> I am 6" away from a modem on one account and only have 1/5 signal and when I switch to my other modem (different acct) same distance I have 5/5.  Any ideas?
[05:26] <astraljava> Broken antenna on the other modem?
[05:26] <OffGridOps> brand new
[05:26] <OffGridOps> i run two accts at my house for business
[05:27] <OffGridOps> both from frontier
[05:27] <OffGridOps> are there any specs i can get from terminal to tell me?  i have NO security running (i'm rural)
[05:28] <OffGridOps> the sagecom is a couple years old and no issues the netgear 7550 is brand new and has the issues
[05:29] <OffGridOps> my girlfriend is running her android phone and it has strong signal as well at 1 foot
[05:29] <OffGridOps> my computer is a compaq cq57 and i am running 12.04 w/all updates and using tweak to clean out the garbage
[05:34] <astraljava> OffGridOps: What does lspci tell about the wireless chipset? I have no other ideas but to search the net with that. Sorry.
[05:35] <OffGridOps> one sec you want that in pastbin?
[05:36] <astraljava> Well I don't think I can search any better than you, that was just a suggestion on which terms to use for it. :)
[05:36] <OffGridOps> ah ok.  yeah oddity here and i searched high and low.  thanx for the suggestions though! ;)
[05:37] <astraljava> OffGridOps: Also, `sudo lshw -c network` might give more thorough information.
[05:39] <ubuntu64bit> video quality is so much better in 12.04 i've used a happuage 850 USB TV adapter and installed both tvtime and MEtv and both run smooth just to let you know is the application for MEtv (with me anyways) is the menu for MEtv doesn't seem to work and once it's started i can't seem to overlap the screen or tv channel currently running yeah i know this is really a software problem i'm just throwing this out to see if others are having
[05:39] <ubuntu64bit> issues using MEtv and 12.04 Ubuntu
[05:53] <ubuntu64bit> tvtime on the otherhand works great only issue i see with tvtime is the frequency is not set to find channels with a decimal i.e. 3.1, 3.2 it l only seaches straight channels but superb on video output
[06:24] <confrey> hi everybody
[06:43] <vernonjvs> Ubuntu 12.04 with a FOXCONN NT435 (GMA-3150 Graphics chip). HDMI Video works fine but I can't get audio through HDMI. There is no HDMI options in the sound settings, Any help would be appreciated.
[07:00] <hellyeah> hey
[07:01] <hellyeah> is there someone have any idea about not booting windows from grub it said hd1 cannot get C/H/S values or something
[07:46] <demonboy> is there any1 currently here than can assist me w/ a java issue i have had for the past couple days... it is causing errors with updates and i can no longer run anything java related (minecraft, runescape, etc...)
[07:46] <demonboy> this is what i get from synaptic ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/920027/
[08:03] <hellyeah> is there someone have any idea about not booting windows from grub it said hd1 cannot get C/H/S values or something
[08:27] <demonboy> is there any1 currently here than can assist me w/ a java issue i have had for the past couple days... it is causing errors with updates and i can no longer run anything java related (minecraft, runescape, etc...)  this is what i get from synaptic ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/920027/
[08:27] <bluefrog> can't see my tar commands in bash history eventhough I only have HISTIGNORE="&:ls:[bf]g:sudo su:[ \t]*"   an idea?
[08:46] <AlfE_> hello
[08:46] <richardlxc> hello
[08:46] <AlfE_> device notifier does not allow me to set automatic mount preferences
[08:46] <AlfE_> tested on currend on several different machines
[08:47] <AlfE_> the apply button does nothing
[08:48] <AlfE_> i get this message in .xsession-erros
[08:50] <AlfE_> plasma-desktop(3255)/plasma StatusNotifierItemSource::refreshCallback: DBusMenu disabled for this application
[08:50] <AlfE_> on what should i file  bug report
[08:51] <AlfE_> ?
[08:53] <AlfE_> not able to automount drives is quite a showstopper especially if you want to share drives
[09:29] <dubaco> why doesnt flash player work in firefox?
[09:30] <brobostigon> does it show in about:plugins ?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> anyone tested classic on precise?
[09:34] <Caitlin889955> Hello world!
[09:34] <Caitlin889955> How is everyone doing?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> hi caitlin
[09:42] <Caitlin889955> Whats wrong with english?
[09:42] <Myrtti> huh?
[09:42] <Caitlin889955> Damn I have so many windows open
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:44] <Caitlin889955> I noticed today that some of the update i did yesterday broke some flash and wine packages...
[09:45] <Caitlin889955> Are you all using moun?
[09:45] <Caitlin889955> muon I mean :)
[09:45] <Caitlin889955> Hello!
[10:44] <Ederico> hello all, total newbie on the following subject: Setting up a home network for file and printer sharing, basically I've got a desktop computer and a laptop and I want to be able to access files on each machine from the other one. I need some sort of guide on how to do it.  I'm running the latest 12.04 beta
[10:47] <pbxr> Ederico, right click the folder you want to share and select Sharing Options.
[10:49] <Ederico> pbxr, yes. Let me clear, do I need to setup a network first. All I've got at the moment is a wireless router connected to my cable modem and the desktop and laptop connect to it
[10:49] <Ederico> that was suppost to be a question ?
[10:49] <Ederico> supposed*
[10:50] <pbxr> Ederico, yes, the computers need to be connected to the same local network. sounds like they already are though. :)
[10:50] <Gorilla_No_Baka> right.. anyone has any idea where this message originated from? Runing a pangoline.. the latest one ...  http://i39.tinypic.com/fyzu2t.jpg
[10:50] <Ederico> pbxr, oh, sounds way simpler than I thought for now
[10:50] <pbxr> Ederico, hehe. :)
[10:51] <Ederico> let me switch on the desktop computer then, that runs 11.10 but I will probably upgrade to 12.04
[10:52] <Gorilla_No_Baka> gents>?!!
[10:53] <pengemis> does anyone know if 12.04 has it own package manager like in 11.04 or  below?
[10:53] <Gorilla_No_Baka> and delete the bloody software center since you are at it :)
[10:53] <Gorilla_No_Baka> pengemis:  yeah  mate sudo apt-get install synaptic g-debi
[10:54] <Gorilla_No_Baka> thatt"s what i did on my friend"s install
[10:54] <Gorilla_No_Baka> right.. anyone has any idea where this message originated from? Runing a pangoline.. the latest one ...  http://i39.tinypic.com/fyzu2t.jpg
[10:55] <pengemis> i see, thanks Gorilla_No_Baka :)
[10:55] <Gorilla_No_Baka> that"s running on a pangoline of course
[10:55] <Gorilla_No_Baka> no worries pengemis
[10:56] <Gorilla_No_Baka> remember is a debian based ... meaning you can delete all the weird ass crappy half baked impementation they WANT you to run and install your favorites and the oldtimers that proved they are working times and times again IE: SYNAPTIC G-DEBI and so on...
[10:57] <aking1012> They're using that as a blanket warning as far as I can tell.  I got it during the upgrade and if I crash parts of something that doesn't result in an epic crash
[10:57] <astraljava> Gorilla_No_Baka: That's from apport, it's wanting to collect information about a crashed process.
[10:58] <Gorilla_No_Baka> astraljava:  you're a legent mate..
[10:58] <Gorilla_No_Baka> apport eh.?!
[10:59] <Gorilla_No_Baka> which part of the apport?  it looks like some kind if telemetry service to me and i was worried about security issues..
[11:00] <astraljava> Gorilla_No_Baka: Yeah. It's the tool for automated bug filing with system information. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[11:00] <Gorilla_No_Baka> right,,,
[11:00] <Gorilla_No_Baka>  reading... cheers mate
[11:00] <astraljava> Gorilla_No_Baka: What do you mean which part? apport-gtk is the front-end, but I don't think that's what you're asking.
[11:03] <Gorilla_No_Baka> sorry... a bit confused here :)) easter party and all that :)
[11:05] <astraljava> Heh. :) Yeah no worries.
[11:16]  * Gorilla_No_Baka Happy Easter Everyone ...
[11:17]  * Gorilla_No_Baka -----------> Loves 10 years old Port!
[11:36] <varikonniemi> hello, i have a question about ubuntu for android
[11:36] <varikonniemi> will it be running straight on the android kernel, or will it be running on top of android which is running on top of the dalvik VM ?
[11:39] <penguin42> I don't think there is much technical info out there about it - but I doubt it would run on dalvik
[11:41] <varikonniemi> that is what i figured, but a friend of mine insisted that they would not allow ubuntu to run natively since it would not suffer the VM performance impact android has :D
[11:42] <penguin42> varikonniemi: Don't forget Ubuntu already runs on ARM quite nicely, so the hard part of the ubuntu+android is the itegration/bootup/filesystem - not quite sure how they're doing it; but you wouldn't want to try and recompile the whole of ubuntu for a new binary format - that's a lot of work
[11:42] <varikonniemi> yeah
[11:42] <Ederico> pbxr, I seem to have managed, thanks :)
[11:44] <aking1012> I really hope it's naked binaries on bare metal.  Maybe that's part of what the push for unity lens and zeitgeist was all about?  It would make a handy interface for small screen handhelds.  That was entirely speculation
[11:45] <penguin42> aking1012: Don't forget from the description it's not supposed to run on the internal screen; it runs on the external HDMI output at the same time as Android keeps running on the main display - anyway we're somewhat OT
[11:45] <spacebug-> snadge: I found this about turning compositing on and off for metacity. http://snipplr.com/view/57064/
[13:41] <itaylor57> !register
[13:46] <chatter2>  top 3 new features of 12.04 ?
[13:47] <Daekdroom> Updates to the Unity interface.
[13:48] <Daekdroom> Rhythmbox as default music player instead of Banshee.
[13:51] <chatter2> 2012 will be the year of desktop linux
[13:52] <drc> right....
[13:55] <Daekdroom> Every year is
[15:01] <Zoffix> Christ. Is an equalizer in a music player really such a rarity!
[15:01] <Guest76673> hello, since upgrade to 12.04 pam mount seems to fail to mount all volumes properly and everytime i sudo anything ill get an error msg
[15:01] <Guest76673> sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed.
[15:03] <Zoffix> After installing 12.04 (compared to 10.04), my sound quality degraded significantly. I'm noticing it in vlc, and I tried a couple of other apps just now, their sound kinda sucks too, but they don't have an equalizer for me to really compare with vlc :/ Anyone hear of sound problems with this release?
[15:04] <Guest76673> works for me Zoffix
[15:04] <Zoffix> Sounds like over-the-phone for me :/
[15:05] <Guest76673> i got an xfi soundblaster and onboard hda intel thingie, both work fine
[15:06] <Zoffix> Hm. gonna checkout pulseaudio-equalizer after the update completes.. On my last install I had a ton of audio stuff installed, maybe I'm just missing something.
[15:17] <vernonjvs> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 12.04 with a FOXCONN NT435 (GMA-3150 Graphics chip). HDMI Video works fine but I can't get audio through HDMI. There is no HDMI options in the sound settings, Any help would be appreciated.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> howdy all, wonder what happened to the PGP encrypt app that was on 12.04 previous to the beta release ..have some encrypted text files , which now won't decrypt due to the missing decrypt app
[15:18] <BluesKaj> vernonjvs, phonon in system settings ?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> oops vernonjvs , wrong channel
[15:18] <jtaylor> gpg --decrypt?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> probly on ubuntu right vernonjvs ?
[15:19] <vernonjvs> BluesKaj: Yes Ubuntu 12.04
[15:20] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, that's what the text file properties tells me
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ok jtaylor thanks, that worked
[15:24] <bjsnider> vernonjvs, no hdmi meaning nothing shows up or it's greyed out?
[15:25] <vernonjvs> bjsider: no HDMI audio shows up in the sound setting. (nothig is greyed out). The only digital output that shows up is S/PDIF. Thanks
[15:26] <MechanisM> hello! why when I wanna remove wacom drivers and wacom thing from settings - there's a lot of apps going to be removed aswell? I don't using wacom and/or tablets
[15:27] <bjsnider> vernonjvs, in that case it's a driver problem, so you should check out dmesg for info on what happened during boot
[15:27] <vernonjvs> Thanks, I will
[15:35] <aguitel> how install ppa purge in 12.04 ?
[15:36] <Guest76673> same as before
[15:38] <Guest76673> hello, since upgrade to 12.04 pam mount seems to fail to mount all volumes properly and everytime i sudo anything ill get an error msg
[15:38] <aguitel> can you tell me how
[15:38] <Guest76673> sudo: pam_mount.c:417: modify_pm_count: Assertion `user != ((void *)0)' failed.
[15:38] <Guest76673> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[15:40] <aguitel> Guest76673, thanks
[15:45] <penguin42> Guest76673: Looks like you have bug 927828
[15:47] <Guest76673> i have that too
[15:47] <Guest76673> but pam mount will only mount half my volumes
[15:47]  * penguin42 has just set that back to confirmed
[15:47] <dubaco> is there a flight mode for ubuntu?
[15:47] <penguin42> dubaco: Not that I'm aware of
[15:48] <itaylor57> dubaco, disable wireless in network manager
[15:48] <penguin42> dubaco: I think 'rfkill' might do the job for you
[15:48] <Guest76673> penguin42 should i report a new bug about the failed mounts or add to this report?
[15:48] <dubaco> bluetooth has a mind of its own so idont think you can kill it
[15:49] <penguin42> dubaco: I think in principal everything should be wired into 'rfkill' - but I'm not 100% sure
[15:49] <itaylor57> dubaco, i can turnoff bluetooth on my laptop via function key combo
[15:50] <penguin42> Guest76673: Probably best to do a new bug - to be honest I don't know anything about pam_mount
[15:50] <nik90> dubaco, there is a flight mode for ubuntu...go to gnome system settings -> network -> flight mode
[15:50] <Guest76673> penguin42 ok i will
[15:51] <penguin42> Guest76673: Is there anything about the ones it doesn't mount in common, any errors specific to those?
[15:53] <physically_fit> is anyone having problems with the dual monitor support in 12.04 with ATI graphics? i want to upgrade my laptop too, but i'm a bit undecided to do it now.
[15:54]  * penguin42 really should get a 2nd LCD just for the excitement of dual monitor support again
[15:55] <physically_fit> i watch my movies on a 25'' old tv i have. (through s-video) i'd be pretty bad if i upgrade and it does not work anymore.
[15:56] <penguin42> physically_fit: Well s-video stuff is always a bit special - there is only one way to find out in the end!
[15:56] <Guest76673> penguin42 how can you work with only one monitor?
[15:56] <Guest76673> penguin42: i have to do some testing, i just booted once and saw that my uncrypted storage wasnt mounted properly,
[15:56] <physically_fit> penguin42, it's a big buggy already in 11.10 but i always get it to work.
[15:56] <physically_fit> big-> bit
[15:57] <penguin42> Guest76673: I have two machines; the main machine with a 24" monitor, and a laptop open at the same time
[15:57] <Guest76673> i will tets again later and consult logs and write bugreport if error is not appearent from logs
[15:57] <penguin42> all of you IRC people sit on the laptop
[15:57] <Guest76673> i sit on my desktop with dual monitor
[15:57] <penguin42> Guest76673: Nod, I used to run the laptop with this monitor as the 2nd head, but then just bought myself a fast desktop and moved the monitor over
[15:58] <Guest76673> unity supports dualmonitor now?
[15:59] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[15:59] <Daekdroom> You can choose whether to have Launcher in both monitors or only one.
[16:00] <Guest76673> well
[16:00] <Guest76673> unity isnt made as a desktop for serious work anyway so doenst matter
[16:01] <Daekdroom> Yes, it is.
[16:01] <penguin42> (no flame wars please!)
[16:05] <Guest76673> you can not really *work* with a interface you can not configure, its for houswives who dont care and younger ppl who need shiny things, obvious when u see lenses implemented before absolutely needed things like dual monitor support
[16:05] <Guest76673> but thats nice with linux that you can choose whatever you want to use
[16:05] <Guest76673> at least its not as horrible as gnome-shell
[16:05] <ggreer> everyone post pictures of your desktop. ready? go! http://abughrai.be/pics/desk4/DSC_8548.JPG
[16:06] <bjsnider> gnome-shell and unity are both great
[16:06] <ggreer> I used to enjoy the 2x24" monitors. 2 monitors is probably slightly better for productivity
[16:06] <Daekdroom> I'm not comfortable with taking picures of my desktop.
[16:06] <ggreer> but macs only support 1 monitor well. especially since lion
[16:07] <penguin42> ggreer: Really?! Macs for decades were the only machines that did multimonitor well
[16:07] <physically_fit> ggreer, is that thing on the wall made of chocolate?
[16:07] <ggreer> it's made of sound foam
[16:07] <Guest76673> bjsnider both are step backs from g2, both are slower, workflow wise they are just "prettier" thats all
[16:07] <penguin42> ggreer: I used a mac in ~1992 with 3 monitors all with different bit depths and it just worked
[16:07] <Guest76673> ggreer: macs are houswive computers
[16:07] <ggreer> penguin42: yeah, fullscreen apps can only use one monitor now
[16:07] <bjsnider> not correct
[16:08] <ggreer> the other monitors will just have a dark background thing on them
[16:08] <ggreer> it's kinda lame
[16:08] <bjsnider> since you can make gnome-shell look and behave exactly like gnome 2, you obviously don't know what you're talking about
[16:08] <Guest76673> but they are shiny!
[16:08] <Guest76673> bjsnider: you *can not*
[16:09] <ggreer> physically_fit: I took some pegboard and glued squares of sound foam to it, then hung it on the wall. I built a few of them. they're kinda neat
[16:09] <penguin42> bjsnider: No one has ever shown me a gnome3 config that managed to do that
[16:09] <Guest76673> bjsnider: show me how to put a random applet in the middle of the upper pane, go
[16:09] <Daekdroom> It's called GNOME Fallback session >.>
[16:09] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Not the same
[16:10] <Guest76673> BY FAR not the same
[16:10] <penguin42> it looks like gnome2 until you try and do anything
[16:10] <bjsnider> no one is required to show you anything. do the research y ourself
[16:10] <Guest76673> exactly
[16:10] <Guest76673> bjsnider you *can not* put  a random applet in the middle of the top panel you simple cann not
[16:11] <penguin42> bjsnider: Sorry, I just disagree with your statement it can be configured like Gnome2
[16:11] <glosoli> anyone got the problem with Firefox Bookmarks Toolbar now having icons for Sub Categories  ?
[16:11] <penguin42> bjsnider: I know it's JS programmable and with enough JS you might be able to do it - but I've never seen anything that does make it feel like Gnome2
[16:11] <bjsnider> Guest76673, THAT is the feature that you're ranting and raving about?
[16:12] <Guest76673> bjsnider: if that were the case  linux mint would not have forked g3
[16:12] <penguin42> bjsnider: Seriously, it's not like gnome2
[16:12] <bjsnider> penguin42, then you haven't done your research either
[16:12] <Guest76673> bjsnider no that was an example to proove u wrong
[16:12] <penguin42> bjsnider: I have
[16:12] <penguin42> bjsnider: You seem to be the one claiming it can
[16:12] <bjsnider> no, i am merely reporting what i know to be true
[16:13] <penguin42> fine, not arguing
[16:13] <Guest76673> have you done it?
[16:13] <physically_fit> ggreer, your space looks very nice. sorry if it sounds ignorant, but what's that thing under the desktop? right in the middle.
[16:13] <Guest76673> if so show us
[16:13] <bjsnider> you can bring back the task switcher, add the menus, and add applets to the top bar
[16:13] <ggreer> physically_fit: foot stool thing
[16:13] <Guest76673> never argued that
[16:13] <physically_fit> ggreer, oh ok.
[16:14] <bjsnider> it would then look and feel like gnome 2
[16:14] <Guest76673> does not feel anything like g2
[16:14] <ggreer> also thanks. my apartment isn't very nice (it's like a block away from the tenderloin) but the inside is pleasant
[16:14] <Guest76673> so go place an applet where u want it to be
[16:14] <penguin42> bjsnider: It gets you partially there - I tried the 11.10 fallback for that, but it still doesn't feel the same - the panels are much less configurable
[16:14] <Guest76673> bjsnider: why do you think linux mint forked g3?
[16:16] <penguin42> (We are way OT - although I'm not sure what the right place to have this is!)
[16:16] <Dr_willis> there is some fork of g3 i recall. but i forget its name.
[16:16] <Guest76673> i think there is an ubuntu chat channel somewhere ;)
[16:16] <Guest76673> cinnamon
[16:16] <Dr_willis> i just stick to the defaults.
[16:20] <Guest76673> i wonder if i will be able to move the unity launcer to whereever i want it to be at any time
[16:20] <Guest76673> or remove the bar at the top to stop waste pixels
[16:21] <robin0800> Guest76673: you can run classic
[16:22] <Dr_willis> unity is not that configurable.
[16:23] <Guest76673> i know, i was more ranting then really asking
[16:24] <robin0800> ! notunity | Guest76673
[16:24] <glosoli>  In Firefox Ubuntu, sub categories in bookmarks toolbar, has no icons, Maybe anyone got in common with that thing ?
[16:24] <Guest76673> you dont say :)
[16:26] <astraljava> Guest76673: There might be #ubuntu-offtopic, not sure.
[16:29] <Guest76673> is that whoopsie thingie supposed to run in the release version aswell
[16:29] <Guest76673> takes ****loads of ram
[16:29] <lcc> I've found a gnome-terminal bug. how should I report it? it's only on ubuntu, not other distros.
[16:30] <Dr_willis> !bug
[16:30] <Guest76673> ubuntu-bug gnome-terminal i *think* but i may be wrong
[16:30] <lcc> ok
[16:30] <Dr_willis> id search the existing bug reports first.
[16:30] <Guest76673> try googling it first tho maybe someone already did
[16:30] <lcc> ok
[16:31] <kklimonda> Guest76673: maybe it's processing a crash? it uses just a few megs when there is nothing to report. And I think it's going to be running after release, so we can get more crash reports flowing in
[16:31] <Guest76673> apport is disabled in release
[16:31] <Guest76673> whoopsie took 180mb
[16:32] <penguin42> icc: Out of interest, what's the bug?
[16:32] <Guest76673> which is kinda unacceptable
[16:35] <Guest76673> can not install gnome-shell without bluetooth daemonstuff
[16:35] <Guest76673> i dont even have bluetooth
[16:35] <Guest76673> modemmanager runs by default, i dont have a modem
[16:36] <Guest76673> i thought i got rid of that years ago
[16:37] <lcc> it's not a crash. when using gnome3 the menu bar doesn't automatically hide.
[16:38] <Guest76673> the menubar does not hide automatically ever
[16:38] <lcc> Guest76673: you can set it to automatically hide.
[16:38] <Guest76673> you can either display it (default) or choose not to display it
[16:38] <lcc> that's what I mean.
[16:39] <lcc> I chose not to display it.
[16:39] <lcc> and it displays it.
[16:39] <Guest76673> you eman right click into terminal and remove the thingie next to show menubar?
[16:39] <lcc> it works when using unity.
[16:39] <Guest76673> using g3 fallback atm, works here
[16:40] <lcc> to be honest this _is_ ubuntu 11.10 not 12.04. I thought I would ask on this channel though.
[16:41] <Guest76673> worked for me in 11.10  weird
[16:41] <synaptix|ubuntu> for 11.10 you may want to ask in #ubuntu
[16:41] <synaptix|ubuntu> or on UF
[16:41] <lcc> ok
[16:41] <Guest76673> u sure wont get an anser there tho
[16:41] <Guest76673> just report the bug and/or google for it first
[16:44] <lcc> I googled and found a weird fix for it.
[16:45] <lcc> apparently there are two menu bars.
[16:45] <Guest76673> i only got one
[16:46] <Guest76673> y do i always get less than others? :/
[17:09] <dubaco> are the atm/tmi drivers safe to use?
[17:16] <zorael> What happened to libnss_wins.so in oneiric? I can't get netbios hostname resolve working
[17:16] <zorael> er, precise
[17:16] <trism> zorael: I see it in libpam-winbind
[17:17] <zorael> trism: there we go, cheers!
[17:27] <penguin42> apt-file is great for finding stuff like that
[17:28] <tsimpson> as is packages.ubuntu.com
[17:28] <tsimpson> and ubottu
[17:28] <penguin42> nod
[17:29] <tsimpson> the trouble with apt-file is that (along with apt) it needs to be kept up to date, which isn't great if you just want to find something real quickly
[17:32] <penguin42> true, not to bad as long as things don't jump about too much
[18:06] <Ederico> hello, I'm experiencing a major problem. Basically my password is not working, and I have not changed it! I cannot login to my user account at the moment, nor can I do administrator tasks. Restarting did not help.
[18:07] <penguin42> Ederico: When you type in your password what happens? Does it tell you it's wrong or just restart the login?
[18:07] <Ederico> penguin42: It tells me it wrong
[18:08] <penguin42> hmm
[18:08] <penguin42> not seen that before
[18:08] <Ederico> I tried in the terminal just now, using sudo and it asked me for my login again
[18:08] <penguin42> Ederico: Can you login on the text console?   Hit ctrl-alt-f1 then at the login: prompt type your username and then at the passowrd prompt give the password
[18:09] <penguin42> (ctrl-d to close that shell if it logs you in OK, ctrl-alt-f8 - or maybe f7 to get back to the graphical stuff)
[18:09] <Ederico> penguin42: did not work
[18:10] <Ederico> it asked for my login again, but let me try again to be sure
[18:10] <Ederico> penguin42: to be precise, it led me back to the login, no error messages
[18:11] <penguin42> Ederico: OK, hmm - do you have any particularly unusual characters in your password - anything non alpha-numeric?
[18:12] <Ederico> penguin42: no
[18:13] <penguin42> Ederico: So is this a fresh 12.04 install, an upgrade from something else or what?
[18:13] <Ederico> penguin42: fresh install
[18:13] <glosoli> Anyone has an Idea hot to make UNITY LAUNCHER even less than 32px size ?
[18:13] <Ederico> penguin42: but I've been running it for days without problem
[18:13] <penguin42> Ederico: Hmm OK, weird
[18:14] <Ederico> penguin42: I'm thinkin of using this - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[18:14] <penguin42> Ederico: Yeh, worth a try
[18:15] <Logan_> Ederico: Stupid question, but do you have caps lock/num lock on?
[18:17] <thebishop> hello Precise users.  Has anyone figured out how to get right-click working on synaptics clickpads?
[18:17] <Ederico> Logan_: I checked, no.
[18:17] <Logan_> Okay.
[18:18] <Ederico> Logan_: Not a stupid question at all, it happened to me once ;-)
[18:18] <Logan_> thebishop: Sec.
[18:18] <c_smith> glosoli, sudo apt-get install myunity
[18:18] <glosoli> c_smith: you can't get bellow 32px with myunity or compizconfig
[18:18] <thebishop> Logan_, 2-fingers for right click is working for me, but i'd rather have that be middle-click honestly
[18:18] <glosoli> I need some file editing mode
[18:18] <Logan_> thebishop: http://people.canonical.com/~cndougla/enable-rightbutton.sh
[18:18] <c_smith> glosoli, ah, then that would be a limit of Unity, that would be my guess.
[18:19] <glosoli> c_smith: no problem buddy :)
[18:19] <Logan_> thebishop: use xinput to list your device, and then run the script as "enable-rightbutton.sh <device id|device name>"
[18:20] <thebishop> Logan_, do I want the core XTEST pointer, or SynPS/2?  PS/2 doesn't support multitouch, right?
[18:20] <Logan_> SYNPS/2
[18:20] <thebishop> ah ok
[18:21] <Logan_> so whatever the id= number is
[18:21] <thebishop> yep
[18:21] <Logan_> Let me know if it works. :-P
[18:21] <Logan_> Worked for me, at least.
[18:21] <Logan_> The most active developer for ClickPads on Ubuntu gave me that script.
[18:22] <Ederico> I'll restart and get back to you
[18:33] <thebishop> Logan_, looks like i'm getting some errors
[18:33] <Logan_> Oh?
[18:33] <thebishop> i'm trying to debug the script
[18:33] <thebishop> yeah
[18:33] <Logan_> What are the errors?
[18:33] <thebishop> mike@GERTY:~/Prefix$ ./enable-rightbutton.sh 12
[18:33] <thebishop> X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
[18:33] <thebishop>   Major opcode of failed request:  17 (X_GetAtomName)
[18:33] <thebishop>   Atom id in failed request:  0xb0002
[18:33] <thebishop> and more, but don't want to flood
[18:33] <Logan_> Hmm, weird.
[18:33] <Logan_> Let me try running it again on mine.
[18:34] <thebishop> looks like it's failing to get the min/max areas properly, echoing the xinput command args, and they're blank
[18:34] <thebishop> er
[18:34] <thebishop> i mean $left/right/top/bottom
[18:35] <Logan_> Oh, that's funny.
[18:35] <Logan_> I'm getting the same exact error.
[18:36] <Logan_> I guess either the script change or the package changed.
[18:36] <thebishop> yeah likely
[18:36] <Logan_> I'm leaning toward the latter.
[18:36] <thebishop> yep
[18:36] <Logan_> Hmm.
[18:36] <Logan_> Well, he gave me a manual way to do it.
 synclient RightButtonAreaLeft=<value>
 synclient RightButtonAreaRight=<value>
[18:36] <thebishop> hmm
 synclient RightButtonAreaTop=<value>
 synclient RightButtonAreaBottom=<value>
[18:37] <thebishop> the script is grepping "range" on 'xinput list <id>'
[18:37] <thebishop> but that command is spewing errors
[18:37] <thebishop> x error on failed request: BadAtom
[18:37] <Logan_> and then he said that the left value should be the middle of the trackpad, and the top value should be about 82% of the height
[18:37] <thebishop> looks like the driver isn't reporting back to xinput properly
[18:37] <Logan_> for those synclient commands
[18:38] <thebishop> ah, well i could guess at those values, but i think xinput list is supposed to give you the real numbers
[19:13] <alket> Is it possible to install ubuntu to pc from android device (SD card) ?
[19:29] <C-S-B> Is flash broken?
[19:30] <Daekdroom> Try removing and reinstalling the package.
[19:33] <KM0201> i just installed flash manually to fix that problem...
[19:40] <Ederico> hello, I've been here earlier on trying to fix a login problem. Basically, out of the blue,  I can't login to my main user account as the password was not being accepted (I'm 100% sure it was correct and I haven't changed it)
[19:41] <KM0201> Ederico: boot recovery mode, and make a new password for your user
[19:42] <Ederico> now, I managed to delete the previous password using a Live USB and editing the /etc/shadow file. Now there should be no password. When I try to login, it does not let me insert any password (I presume this is normal)  but still says that autentication failed
[19:42] <Ederico> KM0201: I've tried that, to no avail
[19:42] <KM0201> Ederico: that doesn't make any sense...
[19:42] <KM0201> thats what recovery mode is for
[19:43] <seekerFactory> krunner crashing frequently disabling desktop effects. (kubuntu 12.04 beta, kde 4.8.2, kernel 3.0.0-16-generic)
[19:43] <KM0201> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword           Ederico
[19:44] <Ederico> KM0201: First, it might not make sense, but that's what is happening. It said something about not being able to lock the /etc/shadow file if I remember correctly. Second, I have tried the instructions on that webpage already, no success
[19:45] <KM0201> ..
[19:45] <Ederico> KM0201: The only thing different which I tried today was file sharing over my network
[19:45] <Ederico> other than that, all was working excellently
[19:45] <ttl-> i'm having a problem with the latest build of 12.04, wireless works during install but after install i can't connect to my AP anymore, ubuntu is constantly cycling trying to connect...
[19:46] <ttl-> I verified the PSK more than once
[19:46] <KM0201> Ederico: just curious, what type of file sharing?
[19:46] <Ederico> KM0201: I went to the file sharing options in Nautilus
[19:47] <KM0201> ok, so samba
[19:47] <Ederico> KM0201: It installed some Samba files
[19:47] <KM0201> i didn't know if you were using samba, nfs, etc..
[19:47] <KM0201> dunno, samba is working flawlessly here
[19:47] <KM0201> moving data to/from other machines, my server, etc
[19:47] <Ederico> KM0201: There was a problem with Samba as well, I forgot what it was, but I used sudo apt-get get remove to remove it anyways
[19:48] <Ederico> KM0201: And I restarted the pc and logged in normally after that, then unexpectedly I get this problem
[19:49] <KM0201> dunnno, that is weird.. unlikely samba will cause something like that
[19:49] <Ederico> well
[19:49] <Ederico> to cut the problem short
[19:49] <Ederico> use a LIVE Usb to do a backup of my personal files, and fresh install
[19:50] <KM0201> thats what i would do.
[19:52] <Ederico> KM0201: I'll get working on it, thanks
[19:53] <KM0201> good luck
[19:56] <Ederico> thanks
[19:57] <seekerFactory> krunner crashing frequently disabling desktop effects. (kubuntu 12.04 beta, kde 4.8.2, kernel 3.0.0-16-generic)
[20:11] <glosoli> anyone can help me with the question for texture filter options in OpenGL Compiz Plugin ?
[20:13] <Ergo^> hello
[20:14] <penguin42> Greetings
[20:15] <Ergo^> i currently have installation of beta1, now i did all the upgrades and dist upgrades, and it appears i have beta2 statie more or less, but  general system is rather sluggish, does it make sense for me to install beta2 from clean image, i was wondering if i have some outdated /etc/* configs that cause this
[20:17] <penguin42> Ergo^: Possible, but unlikely - not heard of anything that would cause sluggish
[20:17] <Ergo^> penguin42, well im using it for daily work, its not unusable or something, it just feels rather slow overall
[20:18] <penguin42> Ergo^: It's difficult to pin that thing down unless you can nail something in particular that's slow; you can watch with things like top to see if there is a rogue process somehow eating CPU
[20:18] <Ergo^> nah just that it seems slower than the hardware im running it on
[20:19] <Ergo^> nothing in particular
[20:19] <Ergo^> like scroll overlay drag response is laggy
[20:19] <Ergo^> things like that
[20:19] <penguin42> Ergo^: Maybe graphics driver issues ?
[20:20] <Ergo^> maybe i should revert to open driver, but this doesnt seem to be the reason
[20:21] <penguin42> Ergo^: Nvidia or AMD?
[20:21] <Ergo^> ill give it a shot
[20:21] <Ergo^> amd on gallium3d
[20:21] <Ergo^> (with open driver)
[20:21] <Ergo^> currently fglrx
[20:21]  * penguin42 is using the open driver on his hd4350
[20:22] <Ergo^> i have 5770
[20:23] <Ergo^> that should have plenty of horsepower... although fedora 17 seems to be a lot better still, i was able to get high details 1600x1200 on xonotic with pretty ok framerate
[20:23] <penguin42> Ergo^: Hmm, I'd say if you were able to get a significantly (lets say better than 10% more) higher frame rate on fedora than on Ubuntu it would be worth submitting a bug
[20:24] <Ergo^> penguin42, no why? i believe they have newer kernel/drivers and newer x stack - nothing weird about it
[20:25] <penguin42> Ergo^: Oh fair enough, I thought the ubuntu X stack and drivers were normally reasonably up to date - it would be worth it if you thought it was slow because of something that was broken in Ubuntu
[20:26] <Ergo^> maybe its just me getting faster over the years :p
[20:27] <penguin42> Ergo^: Thing is stuff can screw up performance like that; you know kernel or power saving or the like going wrong can all do stuff like that
[20:35] <bjsnider> Ergo^, fglrx is really only useful if you're gaming at this point. for regular desktop use, radeon is going to provide better performance
[20:35] <Ergo^> yeah, i just noticed cinnamon works again with precise, will give it a shot with open drivers :-)
[20:36] <Ergo^> then maybe mint debian edition new iso when it comes out - im really curious what those guys brew there
[20:36] <penguin42> Ergo^: I'm running the open ones with the KDE desktop and it's happy
[20:37] <Ergo^> thanks
[20:37] <Ergo^> reboot time :-)
[20:42] <bjsnider> we shouldn't even bother offering fglrx anymore, it's so bad
[20:43] <penguin42> bjsnider: It's still needed if you want to do OpenCL I think
[20:44] <bjsnider> penguin42, don't rob me of the chance to start a lovely flame war
[20:44] <penguin42> (which is a shame, because I'd like to have a play with it)
[20:44] <bjsnider> wait, nobody cares about that blob anymore, so forget it
[20:44] <penguin42> bjsnider: Oh, please carry on
[20:44] <bjsnider> people actually have to care about something for a flame war to erupt
[20:45] <penguin42> bjsnider: I really would like to play with OpenCL though
[20:46] <bjsnider> well, that's a separate issue to whether the driver is crap or not
[20:46] <bjsnider> you can grab nvidia hardware for that
[20:47] <penguin42> bjsnider: nouveau I've got to say works well enough on 12.04 to put my dads old Geforce2 out of it's binary hell
[20:48] <bjsnider> i set it up here for a few days to look at a bug, but it worked so perfectly you'd have thought it was the blob
[20:48] <bjsnider> there's really little excuse not to use it at this point
[20:48] <penguin42> bjsnider: Nod, it was a disaster on older versions
[20:48] <bjsnider> we've got ffmpeg-mt so you don't need vdpau
[20:49] <lucas-arg> hey all, i have a doubt, is it possible to show menus all time in appmenu panel instead of windows title?
[20:57] <anotehr> hello : I have installed ubuntu 12.04 beta 2, I already do the apt-get upgrade bla bla, on my laptop (NEC e-motion) but I can't connect to the wifi eventhough it apear's on the list (see picture : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/803/wifiy.png/ ) could anyone help me to solve this problem ? thanks
[21:16] <anotehr> resuly of the lspci and iwconfig are here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/920880/      and     http://paste.ubuntu.com/920891/
[21:53] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[21:59] <stegbth> Hello everybody
[22:00] <stegbth> may somebody explain me udev in short?
[22:00] <stegbth> it reads /lib/udev/rules.d/ in numeric order
[22:00] <stegbth> afterwards /etc/udev/rules.d
[22:01] <stegbth> what happens if with 40-libifd-cyberjack6.rules ATTR{idVendor}=="0c4b", ATTR{idProduct}=="0100", MODE="660", GROUP="pcscd" get set and with 50-udev-default.rules KERNEL=="tty[A-Z]*[0-9]|pppox[0-9]*|ircomm[0-9]*|noz[0-9]*|rfcomm[0-9]*", GROUP="dialout"
[22:02] <stegbth> /dev/ttyUSB0 (which is a ID 0c4b:0100) get group dialout, instead of correctly pcscd?
[22:10] <stegbth> it seems there is a bug in 12.04
[22:13] <anotehr> I entered the parameters manually via the GUI and it's OK :)
[22:16] <stegbth> sorry i pasted the parts of the files here: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/407097/
[22:16] <stegbth> i think there is a bug in 12.04
[22:22] <trism> stegbth: use: ubuntu-bug libifd-cyberjack6; and report the issue
[22:23] <stegbth> trism: just to be sure, the above notified going through the config is correct of myself?
[22:24] <stegbth> so the easiest solution would be to set the number of 40-libifd-cyberjack6.rules higher than 50?
[22:24] <trism> stegbth: the desciption you give seems to be correct, but I am not expert with udev, and I agree that seems like it may be a fix
[22:25] <trism> stegbth: give it a shot and see if it fixes it, and also report the bug
[22:26] <stegbth> hm, no it does not fix my problem. i renamed it to 51-libifd-cyberjack6.rules
[22:27] <stegbth> but when i modify 50-udev-default.rules the group get set correctly
[22:27] <stegbth> so i assume there must be an other error in libifd-cyberjack6.rules :(
[23:01] <aguitel> anyway to install amsn in 12.04 ?
[23:15] <trism> aguitel: there is a ppa https://launchpad.net/~amsn-daily/+archive/ppa although it doesn't really seem amsn is maintained anymore, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654540
[23:26] <skel> can anyone assist me on how to install gnome shell extensions in 3.x ?
[23:26] <skel> specifically 3.4 I guess
[23:27] <skel> I see a bunch on extensions.gnome.org and I thought I was able to install them from there at one point on my other system but I don't see that option now
[23:53] <scientes> skenmy, go to that site
[23:53] <scientes> thats it
[23:53] <scientes> in firefox
[23:53] <scientes> firefox has a special extension in it
[23:53] <scientes> skel  ahh hees gone