[00:01] <dwatkins> ah, I'm only on Oneric, so I can't reproduce that.
[00:01] <dwatkins> are you on 12.04, dogmatic69?
[00:01] <dogmatic69> ye
[00:02] <dwatkins> I've observed issues with suspend on earlier Ubuntu versions which manifest as the screen just getting locked. Not seen a logout happen before.
[00:02] <dogmatic69> My pc died and figured it was a good time to make the move. When I saw the HUD thing I was sold
[00:03] <dogmatic69> ye, it is just like I clicked logout or restart. never suspend
[00:03] <dogmatic69> I am glad for SSD and fast boots. hate waiting for startup
[00:05] <dwatkins> yeah, even my hybrid disk seems a lot faster than a HDD
[04:41] <nif> help
[04:42] <nif> HELP
[04:43] <nif> --HELP
[04:43] <sagaci> ?
[04:44] <nif> --help
[04:44] <nif> srry :( mistake
[04:51] <MartijnVdS> HALP
[09:17] <Myrtti> morning seems to have an exciting start, I've just filed a bug for a kernel oops in precise and my nephew broke a mirror in his room.
[09:18] <Myrtti> let's see if I could manage to acquire a third degree burn on making tea for myself, and cut myself on the head when tripping on a carpet and hitting my head on a table edge
[09:18] <Myrtti> lets, even.
[09:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:41] <StevenR> *sigh* firefox ate half my open tabs due to repeated crashyness :(
[09:45] <dwatkins> Myrtti: time to do backups? ;)
[09:45] <Myrtti> dwatkins: am at my sisters now and don't have my backup disk with me :-|
[09:47] <dwatkins> Myrtti: bah, I guess you can't just rsync then.
[09:48] <Myrtti> I suppose it's time to set up dejadup to ubuntuone for immediate relief
[10:08] <Myrtti> whoop my kerneloops bug has been confirmed
[10:08] <Myrtti> \o/
[10:13] <ed3245678> hi
[10:13] <ed3245678> anyone uses 3 mobile broadband here?
[10:14] <ed3245678> with linux?
[10:15] <brobostigon> i sometimes tether my htc dream, which i have with three atm, to my netbook, yes.
[10:16] <ed3245678> are u having a problem with porn sites blocked on three?
[10:16] <ed3245678> actually I dont really want to browse port but the proxy sites are blocked too
[10:16] <brobostigon> yes, but it isnt a problem, it makes sense, as they have no idea, who can get hold of it, and what material they could look at.
[10:17] <BigRedS> with T-Mobile I just had to phone them and ask them to remove the block and they did
[10:17] <BigRedS> that's on a contract, so they know my age
[10:17] <dwatkins> I noticed various sites are blocked from three's tethering or directly from my phone
[10:17] <ed3245678> the thing is my laptop is dual boot, I also have xp, with xp I can browse anything, there is no restrictions of any kind
[10:17] <BigRedS> apparently it's on by default just to stop people stumbling across it
[10:17] <BigRedS> not, uh, that I was trying to google goat porn
[10:18] <ed3245678> this actually has started maybe a week ago, the blocking I mean, though xp still works fine (same dongle and same sim card)
[10:19] <ed3245678> anyone know why? and how to fix it?
[10:19] <BigRedS> I'd guess 3 are the best people to ask
[10:19] <brobostigon> ring three, and ask them to remove said block, as suggested.
[10:20] <ed3245678> but there is no block when I try to browse using win xp
[10:20] <ed3245678> ?
[10:21] <BigRedS> you seem oddly sure that somebody here will speak up and explain how 3's content filter works...
[10:21] <ed3245678> I though people will know how to fool it
[10:22] <brobostigon> an ssh tunnel ?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> move to the Netherlands, we have net neutrality ;)
[10:22] <BigRedS> Oh, yeah, ssh tunnel's normally the way round that
[10:22] <ed3245678> Ok I am a noob, whats ssh tunnel?
[10:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: cool :)
[10:23] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I just tried to come up with a "yeah, but you also have..." and was stumped....
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: we have Euros!
[10:23] <BigRedS> Yeah, that'll do!
[10:23]  * BigRedS laughs at MartijnVdS's currency
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> ...
[10:32]  * BigRedS laughs at MartijnVdS's currency
[10:32] <BigRedS> oop, wrong up+enter
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[10:44] <BigRedS> Oh man. I just spent about 45 mins debugging a 'return' I'd left in the wrong place last time I worked on this
[10:45] <BigRedS> there should be a way to make Vim show the word 'return' in 40-ft tall neon lettering
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: gvim probably can
[11:03] <BigRedS> Yeah, it did just occur to me that you can make it simply highlight all ocurrences of a search term
[11:11] <jacobw> yus
[11:23]  * jacobw notes that his speedtest.net result has increased to 12Mbps from ~8Mbps while he has been in France
[11:24] <jacobw> I should go to France more often :P
[11:31] <dwatkins> clearly, jacobw
[11:44] <prenzip> hi
[11:52] <prenzip> ?
[11:53] <jacobw> hi
[11:53] <jacobw> !ask
[11:53] <lubotu3`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[12:20] <dwatkins> !hostname
[12:20] <lubotu3`> Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hosts to include BOTH the old and new hostname and then change /etc/hostname to the new one. WARNING! Make sure that your current hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly.
[12:22] <dwatkins> thankyou bot
[12:37] <prenzip> hi
[14:06] <Laney> life of brian → quality easter viewing
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> Bwian?
[14:08] <prenzip> http://postimage.org/gallery/uw4fimq/
[14:08] <prenzip> Heres a portion of my British collection of coins and bank notes
[14:08] <prenzip> these all hail from your land
[15:07] <OmNomDePlume> lol I'm listening to the commentary on Sky Sports and the guy is complaining live on air about the microphone.
[15:07] <OmNomDePlume> "I don't care if we're going out live or not, ...*muffled*"
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDePlume: famous last words :)
[15:37] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> \o
[15:56] <jacobw> evening
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> your evening starts early, jacobw :)
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> It's not even evening here in .nl ;)
[15:58] <jacobw> you're correct
[15:59]  * jacobw wonders how you make this distinction on a day when you're not at work
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: By looking at a clock ;)
[16:00] <jacobw> evening is after work which is morning then afternoon
[16:01] <jacobw> hmm, clocks are relative.
[16:01] <shauno> time is an illusion.  lunchtime, doubly so.
[16:04] <penguin42> especially when I tend to wake up at about midday when I don't work
[16:05]  * MartijnVdS wakes up around 6am
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> every day
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> without an alarm
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> even if I've been drinking :(
[16:06] <penguin42> the worst part is that having been off for a little over a week now, on Tuesday I'm going to have to get up at 8am :-(
[16:43] <jacobw> penguin42: teacher?
[16:45] <penguin42> jacobw: No, just a softie
[18:42] <popey> evening
[18:42] <brobostigon> evening popey
[18:44] <Laney> good day
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> </easter dinmer> ? :)
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> nn*
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: you're online twice in my G+/GTalk list
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: one is the account with "I don't check this" written on your face :)
[19:17] <Laney> bah, I might give in and migrate too
[19:18] <Laney> some people got my incorrect email address from G+ and as a result I missed their messages
[19:18] <jacobw> that's annoying :|
[19:18] <Laney> suppose I could forward it to my normal address
[19:25] <jacobw> Forward the address which sent mail that you missed.
[19:25] <Laney> i would rather solve the problem forever than in just once instance
[19:45] <popey> MartijnVdS: I am online in empathy
[20:49] <bigcalm> Evening peeps
[20:49] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: suspend works just find for me
[22:19] <dogmatic69> oh there is something new on 12.04
[22:21] <dogmatic69> plugged in my iPhone and this happened http://i.imgur.com/bf7EP.png
[22:21] <BigRedS> ooh
[22:22] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I suspended for you
[22:22] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: and, it worked?
[22:22] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: that did not happen 2 days ago
[22:22] <bigcalm> Yes, read up :)
[22:23] <dogmatic69> ah
[22:23] <dogmatic69> must be my tiny swap
[22:24] <bigcalm> I accepted defaults when installing
[22:24] <dogmatic69> I only have 64gig SSD so did not want to make the recommended 2x ram swap
[22:25] <bigcalm> I have a 120gb ssd and it works fine
[22:25] <bigcalm> Even on my work station with has a 60gb ssd, I chose the defaults
[22:52] <BigRedS> Does the installer default to swap = 2xRAM?
[22:53] <bigcalm> Nope
[22:53] <bigcalm> My swap == RAM
[22:53] <penguin42> 2xRAM is very very old Unix folklore advice
[22:53] <BigRedS> Oh, good. That'd have made me unhappy.
[22:54] <BigRedS> penguin42: yeah, it's also dumb, which is why I was hoping it wasn't what the installer did
[22:54] <BigRedS> dumb in the 'not smart' sense of the term, not as in harmful
[22:55] <penguin42> BigRedS: It kind of made sense back in SunOS days when apparently at one stage to allocate memory it actually required a corresponding disc page, and when memories were in the order of 8MB
[22:56] <BigRedS> yeah, I know where it came from
[22:56] <BigRedS> I've been noisly advocating ignoring that 'advice' for a few years :)
[22:56] <Laney> bug #976198 is remarkably annoying
[23:17] <ravibn> Hi! I need help with a C++ program I am running Maverick
[23:18] <ravibn> anyone here pl respond
[23:19] <BigRedS> ravibn: respond to what? You've not asked a question :)
[23:19] <BigRedS> !ask
[23:19] <BigRedS> I might well not be able to help, but we wont know until you let us know what the problem is
[23:19] <ravibn> BigRed5 : Here is my http://pastebin.com/qQvhg5Fz c++ prog
[23:20] <ravibn> BigRed5 : it is suppose to core dump, but I am just getting a floating point execption
[23:20] <ravibn> BigRed5 : is there some place I need to look for the core dump ?
[23:22] <ravibn> BigRed5 : usually it core dumps to the same directory where I have the executable
[23:22] <BigRedS> well, you're dividing by zero
[23:22] <BigRedS> but, in short, I really don't know
[23:22] <BigRedS> It may be worth trying #ubuntu, or something more c++ oritentated
[23:22] <BigRedS> or just here during the day :)
[23:24] <ravibn> BigRedS : Alright save your breath
[23:25] <hamitron> http://cs.baylor.edu/~donahoo/tools/gdb/tutorial.html
[23:39] <dogmatic69> penguin42: when I was running 10.10 the default installed with 24gigs of swap
[23:41] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Thing is it's surprisingly hard to come up with a generic good rule of thumb; for something with a small amount of RAM, 2xRAM isn't a bad guess - but once you get to many GB of RAM it gets silly
[23:41] <dogmatic69> ye
[23:41] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: what!? How much ram did you havE?
[23:41]  * penguin42 guesses 12 ?
[23:41] <BigRedS> I thought we noted that the installer was less drunk than that?
[23:41] <dogmatic69> I think because I has / as 1TB + masses of ram, installer figured SWAP ALL THE THINGS
[23:42] <BigRedS> yeah, but more swap is not a *good* thing
[23:42] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: same system as now, just new hdd. 8 gigs
[23:42] <BigRedS> enough to comfortably hibernate into
[23:42] <dogmatic69> ye, that is why I told it no, and made it 4gigs this time. I think 10 would be right
[23:43] <dogmatic69> so it can hibernate the entire 8gigs plus some breathing room
[23:43] <BigRedS> yeah, but another 16GB of breathing room?
[23:44] <dogmatic69> I know. that was 10.10 installed around the day it came out
[23:44] <dogmatic69> not beta, the actual 10.10
[23:45] <dogmatic69> http://paste.ubuntu.com/921054/
[23:45] <dogmatic69> oooh. that is nice
[23:45] <penguin42> once you're more than 1GB into swap you're machine is probably going to be grinding like hell anyway - unless it's just a gentle slow leak
[23:45] <dogmatic69> did not like the old pastebinit
[23:45] <dogmatic69> penguin42: I know that. but I cant hibernate now with 4gigs of swap.
[23:46] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Can you hibernate with a swapfile?
[23:46] <dogmatic69> With 8gigs of ram, if you are swapping you are doing something wrong
[23:46] <dogmatic69> penguin42: I have read hibernate puts the contents of ram into swap
[23:46] <dogmatic69> well tries.
[23:47] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I occasionally hit swap on my 8GB machine; only if I'm doing something very heavy; like big 3d stuff
[23:47] <BigRedS> I get the feeling we're all going round in circles emphatically agreeing with each other
[23:47] <penguin42> dogmatic69: But swapfiles should let you do that?
[23:47] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: same :D
[23:53] <BigRedS> hm. 12.04 is released on my mum's birthday
[23:53] <penguin42> pressy sorted then
[23:54] <BigRedS> haha
[23:55] <hamitron> !12.04
[23:55] <hamitron> what day? ;)
[23:56]  * hamitron needs to make sure he reserves some download limit
[23:56] <BigRedS> see if I can 26th
[23:56] <BigRedS> er
[23:56] <BigRedS> no, just '26th'
[23:58] <dogmatic69> will it be easy to update from 12.04 to 12.10 and 13.10?
[23:58] <BigRedS> I imagine so
[23:58] <BigRedS> though not for a while
[23:58] <dogmatic69> I am not a fan of being locked into outdated apps :D
[23:59]  * hamitron isn't a fan of having to change
[23:59] <hamitron> ;)
[23:59] <dogmatic69> same. if it was not for the HUD I would still be on 10.10 or looking at mint etc
[23:59] <dogmatic69> was happy with the non mac clone type UI
[23:59] <hamitron> be my first experience of Unity