[00:00] <hamitron> so sort of excited
[00:00]  * BigRedS wonders if dogmatic69 has ever seen a mac ;)
[00:00] <dogmatic69> I dont know if its my SSD, but its lightning quick
[00:00] <BigRedS> I used one last weekend. It wasn't a lot like Unity :)
[00:00] <dogmatic69> its close enough, closer than 10.10
[00:04] <dogmatic69> anyone see the electron microscope images on reddit?
[00:05] <dogmatic69> pretty cool http://egotvonline.com/2012/03/13/25-everyday-objects-under-an-electron-microscope/
[00:05] <dogmatic69> the maggot is NSFL
[00:05] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Yeh saw those - been a bit heavily coloured for my liking, but still neat - I like micrographs
[00:06] <dogmatic69> ye, the colouring is a bit off. almost CG like
[00:12] <dogmatic69> figured out with screen, you can actually ctrl+a [ then use the scroll wheel, no need for page up/donw
[00:12] <dogmatic69> *down
[00:12] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: oh!
[00:13] <BigRedS> neat
[00:13] <BigRedS> ta!
[00:13] <dogmatic69> ye
[00:13] <dogmatic69> its just like scrolling in man etc
[00:13] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[00:13] <dogmatic69> git diff those type of scrolling
[00:14] <dogmatic69> I would like to have scrolling by default and the ctrl+a [ to do the command scroll, that would be nice
[06:18] <jacobw> good morning all
[06:26] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:34] <dwatkins> mornin
[07:59] <mumper> Moin
[08:00]  * dwatkins hands mumper a spetzi
[08:29] <mumper> Oh boy - a spetzi - just what I wanted to repair my shed!
[08:32] <SuperEngineer> o/
[08:32] <daubers> morning
[08:33] <SuperEngineer> Have just sent a report of the following to the mailing list - damn rumour mongers are at it already!
[08:33] <SuperEngineer> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2012-04-09-002-41-SC-UB
[08:35] <daubers> A page that never connects?
[08:37] <SuperEngineer> daubers, hmmm -trying it now
[08:38] <SuperEngineer> yup - it does now seem to having trouble - here's the page the "headline" story links to http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/04/04/should-you-be-worried-about-ubuntu-desktops-privacy-settings/
[08:38] <daubers> Is this the zeitgeist privacy settings thing?
[08:40] <daubers> urgh, more FUD nothing to see here, move along
[08:41] <SuperEngineer>  Doesn't mention it specifically - just the Privacy settings option but...."the part that needs to be explained. Is the collected “anonymous information” limited to those related to crashed programs or does the system send all recorded activity from the other tabs to Canonical’s servers?"
[08:42] <daubers> Sipl
[08:42] <daubers> simple answer.... grab the source?
[08:43] <daubers> SuperEngineer: It'll just be crash reports. The other tabs relate to zeitgeist
[08:44] <SuperEngineer> daubers, it's the damn rumour mongering that's getting me irked ;)
[08:44] <gord> anything that gets sent in a crash report to lp gets made private fwiw. only project maintainers and a few highly privileged users can see it. they check and make sure there is no private information before making the bug public
[08:44] <daubers> SuperEngineer: Then don't help them by passing it around
[08:45]  * SuperEngineer giggles & accepts... fair comment!
[08:45] <daubers> SuperEngineer: You could just google around http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-12-04-to-ship-with-enhanced-privacy-controls-1468182.html
[08:45] <daubers> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/privacy-controls-minor-ui-tweaks-land-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[08:46] <daubers> SuperEngineer: Even the EFF liked it....
[08:47] <SuperEngineer> yeh but they're Electronic - I'm super human
[08:58] <mattt> any python experts here?  :P
[08:59] <daubers> define: expert?
[09:00] <mattt> need a hand w/ optparse (yes, i'm using an older version of python) :)
[09:00] <daubers> pass
[09:01] <SuperEngineer> daubers, expert: "x" is an unknown quantity, "spurt" is simply a drip under pressure
[09:03] <mattt> daubers: ah well, thanks anyway :)
[09:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:52] <dwatkins> hiya bigcalm
[09:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:53] <dwatkins> ello brobostigon
[09:53] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[12:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Potton in 2012, a video drivearound - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/04/09/potton-in-2012-a-video-drivearound
[12:25] <popey> bug 967056
[13:06] <mgdm> This Cinnamon desktop thing is quite nice
[13:06] <mgdm> (I may have been banging on about it before)
[13:13] <popey> heh
[13:32] <BigRedS> I've a machine with an initrd that doesn't have ext in it somehow. Should I be able to boot up a LiveCD, mkinitrd, then copy that onto the disk and boot with that?
[13:33] <BigRedS> I know initrds are way more fragile than they should be, but I'm hoping that if I get the kernel version right there's not a lot else to be wrong?
[13:49] <jacobw> what about kernel options, like ext?
[13:51] <jacobw> i think if its the same kernel, the initrd will be the same
[13:51] <jacobw> how did the machine come to have an initrd without ext?!
[13:52] <jacobw> afternoon hamitron
[13:52] <hamitron> hi :)
[13:53] <BigRedS> jacobw: I'm not entirely sure, I just got given it to fix :)
[13:53] <BigRedS> ext kernel option?
[13:56] <jacobw> option to build ext support
[13:57] <BigRedS> as an argument on the command line?
[16:16] <currymonster> Can anybody recomend a itunes replacement, that will work with ipods?
[16:17] <Azelphur> currymonster: afaik rythmbox does
[16:17] <currymonster> Azelphur: Thanks
[16:53] <cocoa117> currymonster, nothing can replace it if you still want to buy music from iTunes, just do RemoteApp with it, so you keep everything
[16:53] <cocoa117> even play the music out of it
[17:02] <Myrtti> that's interesting, the latest RC vanilla kernel labeled on the website as 64-bit shows up as 32-bit in package management
[17:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:25] <currymonster> cocoa117: thanks, it's just the music sync feature im after
[17:26] <currymonster> remote app?
[17:31] <cocoa117> currymonster, if it's the sync you are after then that's fine. iTunes wasn't great on them
[17:38] <currymonster> thanks again
[17:48] <bigcalm> Can anybody think of a web interface for setting up email address forwarding? My father is part of a club that has a domain and wants to set up address that forward for council roles.
[17:48] <bigcalm> I can set it up at a domain registrar level, but I'd rather I wasn't a dependency
[17:49] <penguin42> what mail system are you running?
[17:49] <bigcalm> None
[17:50] <bigcalm> I may have to set up the MX, that's ok
[17:52] <bigcalm> That's an idea. Become the MX and write an interface to manage forwarding
[17:52] <penguin42> yeh, or some ISPs have their own domain setup like that
[17:52] <bigcalm> If there's a simple system already out there, all the better
[17:54] <AlanBell> evening all
[17:55] <bigcalm> Hi AlanBell
[17:56] <AlanBell> everyone get sufficient eggs?
[17:58] <jacobw> are they cheap yet?
[17:58] <jacobw> i don't understand this easter stuff :(
[17:58] <avelldiroll> bigcalm: not sure about what you are searching for exactly ... but phamm might suit your needs
[18:16] <OmNomDePlume> Emile "The Punisher" Heskey is on the pitch.
[19:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Sign your life away - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/04/09/sign-your-life-away/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=sign-your-life-away
[19:40] <majster-pl> Hi
[19:42] <popey> hello
[19:42] <dogmatic69> o/
[19:43] <majster-pl> Could anyone tell me if I install Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 and keep updating the system would it finely become Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on 26.04.2012 ?? or I will need to download new iso and install it again ?
[19:44] <AlanBell> it will be the same
[19:44] <mgdm> No, just keep doing the updates
[19:44] <majster-pl> thank you :)
[20:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Localized Documentation Update - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/09/ubuntu-accomplishments-localized-documentation-update/
[20:24] <ali1234> what you say "it will be the same"
[20:24] <ali1234> *when you say
[20:24] <ali1234> ... you actually mean "it is supposed to be the same"
[20:25] <ali1234> but in reality there is every chance that an upgrade will break the system basically until 12.04.1 comes out
[20:36] <ali1234> see this picture http://s3.amazonaws.com/instagram-static/images/home/screenshot1.png
[20:37] <ali1234> it really looks like the guy in the middle is handing the other two cigarettes
[20:37] <ali1234> and they are like "wow cigarettes"
[20:44] <dwatkins> or amazing chalk
[20:45] <ali1234> it just reminds me of terrible 80s anti smoking ads with the creepy guy giving kids cigarettes
[20:46] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6tV4i5Wwn8&feature=player_detailpage#t=30s
[20:46] <ali1234> like that ^
[21:13] <kitsos> Hello guys i just installed warcraft via wine and it works well but i want to find a path "/maps/download" how can i find it?
[21:18] <kitsos> no one?
[21:26] <phezo> Hey
[21:28]  * popey tickles CrimsonSoul 
[21:29] <CrimsonSoul> Howdy Mr Popey
[21:33] <dwatkins> ali1234: wow, I remember those - shame I couldn't understand them at the time
[21:34] <phezo> I just moved to the UK
[21:35] <dwatkins> welcome to the isles, phezo :) whereabouts are you?
[21:35] <phezo> in london
[21:35] <phezo> where are you?
[21:35]  * dwatkins is in Edinburgh
[21:40] <dwatkins> I hear it's nice down there this time of year, although the seasons seem to be in the process of swapping over between Scotland and England at the moment.
[21:40] <dwatkins> We had snow here last year, and this year it's been colder down south than it has here in most of Scotland, I think.
[21:42] <phezo> London seems quite interesting, still adjusting.
[22:04] <Myrtti> meh, I don't understand launchpad sometimes
[22:05] <Myrtti> or the bots
[22:05] <popey> wassup Myrtti ?
[22:05] <Myrtti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/927284
[22:06] <Myrtti> I'm trying to be a good Precise tester and file bugs and test stuff but sometimes it all just goes over my understanding
[22:09] <popey> yeah, looks like using the mainline one from the kernel ppa would be good to test
[22:11] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm running it now I think
[22:12] <Myrtti> but I don't know how I produced the previous kerneloops so I don't know how to test if this isn't affected
[22:32] <ali1234> heh, kernel developers
[22:32] <gordonjcp> what's the current favourite for running virtual machines in Ubuntu?
[22:33] <ali1234> it depends you want to run as guest
[22:33] <ali1234> +what
[22:33] <gordonjcp> a variety of different things
[22:33] <ali1234> virtuabox is best all rounder
[22:33] <gordonjcp> hm, I had a look at that
[22:34] <gordonjcp> I don't fancy waiting for all 2TB of the Qt libraries to download
[22:34] <gordonjcp> and it looks too confusing and difficult
[22:35] <popey> its probably the most straightforward, best documented, most well supported
[22:35] <gordonjcp> popey: but it seems to require a GUI
[22:35] <popey> "not having a GUI" wasn't in your original list of requirements
[22:35] <gordonjcp> well, that was pretty much a given
[22:36] <popey> http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch07.html
[22:36] <gordonjcp> the less GUI-based crap I have to deal with the better
[22:36] <popey> not really
[22:36] <popey> heh, ok
[22:36] <popey> you can run it headless
[22:36] <popey> anyway, bed
[22:36] <popey> nn
[22:36] <gordonjcp> since, y'know, I can't actually see them
[22:37] <ali1234> if you don't already have Qt installed you're an idiot
[22:37] <ali1234> i mean what are you using instead for GUI development?
[22:37] <ali1234> Tkinter? lol
[22:37] <gordonjcp> I avoid GUIs because they don't make sense to me
[22:37] <ali1234> gtk? LOOOOOOOOOOOL
[22:37] <gordonjcp> ali1234: if you're not going to be helpful, shut up
[22:37] <ali1234> oh, well you won't want virtualbox then
[22:38] <ali1234> because all of the power of virtualbox is that it is really easy to set up using the GUI
[22:38] <ali1234> if you want something totally command line driven, you should try kvm instead
[22:38] <ali1234> it's much harder to use and it can't really do anything that virtualbox can't do, but hey, at least nobody else will be able to understand anything you make with it
[22:40] <gordonjcp> ghod Qt is a mess
[22:47] <ali1234> try qemu-kvm, it has no gui at all except for the guest display window
[22:48] <ali1234> maybe you can do what you need the VBoxHeadless
[22:48] <ali1234> i think that can only start and stop vms though, mainly
[22:49] <ali1234> you could write the machine configuration by hand
[22:49] <ali1234> but it uses XML and i'm guessing you hate that too
[22:51] <hamitron> anyone know some good software that can automatically load playlists of music from the web browser. maybe integrated into a browser
[22:52] <hamitron> with skip track and clear queue buttons
[22:53] <hamitron> basically an mp3 player with FIFO style queue, with basic controls
[22:53] <hamitron> ;)
[23:39] <user_> hi there
[23:39] <user_> I'm new to irc and new to ubuntu commands - can anyone help with an iphone?
[23:44] <popey> user_: depends on the question
[23:48] <agoodm> join #ubuntu+1
[23:48] <hamitron> who?
[23:50] <popey> user_: you can ask your question in here rather than im PM
[23:56] <agoodm> I have a strange issue :-/ at boot something is causing a massive amount of swapping and eventually dieing
[23:57] <agoodm> once my system boots and I log on its 4 minutes of solid hdd activity before I can move my mouse
[23:57]  * agoodm ask this in the ubuntu full channel doh
[23:58] <hamitron> agoodm, how much memory you have?
[23:58] <agoodm> 4 gig
[23:59] <agoodm> it was fine until yesterday
[23:59] <hamitron> just checking ;)
[23:59] <agoodm> I looked in top and typed capital M to sort by ram usage and whatever the culprit is has already died
[23:59] <dogmatic69> agoodm: 10.10?
[23:59] <agoodm> 12.04
[23:59] <agoodm> fully updated
[23:59] <hamitron> tried a fresh user?