| snap-l | Whew. | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | Holiday is over | 00:06 |
| snap-l | now it's time to think about going to work tomorrow | 00:07 |
| snap-l | (sigh) | 00:07 |
| rick_h | yea, ugh | 00:08 |
| brousch | rick_h: what'd you put on heroku? | 01:09 |
| rick_h | brousch: http://readable.bmark.us/ | 01:10 |
| rick_h | doing pretty well, tested with seige to get aroud 27req/s with the async url fetcher | 01:11 |
| rick_h | considering I'm doing another http call and I'm limited to the upstream server it works cool | 01:11 |
| brousch | so you broke out the parser into its own app? | 01:11 |
| rick_h | brousch: yea, so in order to scale it out I thought it'd be cool to make it its own app and just have bookie call it when it does backgroud processing/etc | 01:13 |
| rick_h | plus it gives me something to tinker with heroky with, it's very limited in scope, and doing it with tornado/async to play with that as well | 01:14 |
| rick_h | should help reduce some code overhead in bookie, make this potentially useful | 01:14 |
| rick_h | I can do a bookmark that just feeds the current url to the /view/ call and you can get readable text without bookmarking | 01:15 |
| rick_h | and running on one heroku instance is free, so you could very quickly setup your own vs the bookie install | 01:15 |
| rick_h | anyway, something to tinker with, having fun with new stuff | 01:15 |
| brousch | nice | 01:18 |
| rick_h | morning | 11:05 |
| rick_h | for those of you that need more books: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/603/ | 11:05 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 11:36 |
| snap-l | rick_h: NOOOOOOOOOO | 11:36 |
| rick_h | snap-l: I never loaded the page, I don't want to look lol | 11:42 |
| brousch | This sounds like Penguicon to me http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/04/09/hermetically-yours | 11:52 |
| snap-l | hah | 11:53 |
| snap-l | Or just about every conference | 11:53 |
| snap-l | "Hi, it's a pleaseure to meet you. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go fumigate my hand in Purell"/ | 11:53 |
| brousch | this is crazy http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1760499 | 12:50 |
| brousch | you need to do all of that crap just to run your own code on your own ipad? | 12:50 |
| snap-l | Remind me to blokc informit at the router level as well | 13:07 |
| snap-l | Man, but they have the worst articles. | 13:07 |
| rick_h | lol | 13:08 |
| snap-l | ALmost as bad as PC MAgazine | 13:09 |
| snap-l | Any time I read some BS half-researched article, it's usually from infoworld, informit, or PC magazine | 13:09 |
| snap-l | That said, Doug Hellman and WEsley Chun are the exceptions | 13:10 |
| brousch | i am feeling more dense than usual this morning | 13:31 |
| brousch | how do i put my ~/.vimrc and ~/.vim in a repo on gihub? do i have to git init my ~ dir? | 13:32 |
| rick_h | so I check my stuff out to ~/configs | 13:32 |
| rick_h | and have an install.py that symlinks it to ~ | 13:32 |
| brousch | ah, so you put it in a separate dir and symlink to where it belongs | 13:33 |
| snap-l | I have a .git directory in my .vim directory | 13:33 |
| brousch | snap-l: but that wouldn't get .vimrc | 13:33 |
| snap-l | which has vimrc and gvimrc in there with a link to ~/.vimrc and .gvimrc | 13:33 |
| rick_h | brousch: yea, and it let me keep all my dotfiles/ssh files/vim in one place for updating/etc | 13:33 |
| brousch | hm | 13:34 |
| rick_h | brousch: https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim | 13:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yeah, and you put .zshrc and other foo in there. | 13:34 |
| rick_h | https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/install.py | 13:34 |
| snap-l | ACtually, I'm surprised you don't have .zshrc in configs | 13:35 |
| brousch | geez | 13:35 |
| brousch | wow, that's just for vim? | 13:36 |
| rick_h | yea, I've got the same setup for git reops for email config, dotfiles, vim, ssh, and ~/bin | 13:41 |
| rick_h | so it's a bit copy/paste | 13:41 |
| rick_h | brousch: but that's installing all my pathogen bundles as well | 13:41 |
| rick_h | snap-l: don't you want to go scripting tmux now? :) | 13:42 |
| brousch | i think this will work | 13:43 |
| brousch | put the vim stuff in ~/configs/vim and have a simple install.sh to symlink where they belong | 13:43 |
| jrwren | i have to admit, i'm not sure that I like that solution, but I've not come up with anything better :( | 13:43 |
| rick_h | yea, I like it well enough | 13:44 |
| brousch | thanks | 13:44 |
| rick_h | but yea, I've got a bunch of repos since my vim is published it can't have anything private in it | 13:45 |
| rick_h | my ssh is it's own config so that the private keys only get installed on my main system, etc | 13:45 |
| rick_h | not all my systems need to do email, so no sense having my email acct passwords on every machine | 13:45 |
| jrwren | you put private keys on github? | 13:45 |
| rick_h | no, I don't | 13:45 |
| jrwren | ah, i see. | 13:45 |
| rick_h | that's why I have 5 different repos in ~/configs | 13:45 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Oh yeah | 13:46 |
| snap-l | It's the only reason I considered making a configs directory. :) | 13:46 |
| jrwren | rick_h: making any progress on moving all the bzr stuff to git there? :p | 13:46 |
| rick_h | jrwren: heh, I wish...not a bzr fan | 13:47 |
| rick_h | brousch: and then you start to get stuff like: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/604/ :) | 13:47 |
| brousch | wow | 13:48 |
| brousch | i suppose that has its own repo too | 13:48 |
| rick_h | there's more to that: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/605/ | 13:49 |
| rick_h | brousch: yea, a new repo called 'install' | 13:49 |
| brousch | rick_h: where do you keep all these repos? | 13:49 |
| rick_h | brousch: so yea, the idea is to git clone install from my local server, and then it runs the rest of the install steps via make commands there | 13:49 |
| rick_h | brousch: public ones are on github, one private one is on github, and a couple others are copied on a local machine and a backup remote machine so I've got two copies | 13:50 |
| rick_h | gits is a alias for one of my local machines basically | 13:51 |
| brousch | i'll probably put it in a bitbucket private repo | 13:51 |
| rick_h | this is 3 installs (so 1.5yr?) in the making. Each install I automate/document a little more and a little more | 13:51 |
| rick_h | this last install took really just over an hour to get most things back up | 13:52 |
| rick_h | most of that downloading things :) | 13:52 |
| brousch | is that setting up awesome or unity? | 13:56 |
| rick_h | well it installs awesome and my dotfiles has my awesome config in it | 13:56 |
| rick_h | but you choose what to log into at boot time | 13:57 |
| rick_h | so I can logout/in to unity any time | 13:57 |
| brousch | nice | 13:57 |
| brousch | what's with using make instead of bash? | 13:58 |
| brousch | or zsh | 13:58 |
| rick_h | so make uses bash | 13:59 |
| rick_h | it's using shell commands to perform the steps | 13:59 |
| rick_h | the nice thing is I can rerun parts | 13:59 |
| rick_h | so when I install a package, to make sure my install keeps up to date, I add it to my makefile command and rerun that | 13:59 |
| rick_h | and you get deps, so when I make configs, the ~/configs directory is auto created as a dep | 14:00 |
| rick_h | that kind of stuff | 14:00 |
| jrwren | can't you SHELL=/usr/bin/zsh at the top of your make file? :) | 14:02 |
| rick_h | yea, but not doing anything that really needs it | 14:02 |
| brousch | woohoo, it works! | 14:10 |
| rick_h | yay | 14:11 |
| jrwren | i think today I'll go to precise. | 14:18 |
| jrwren | update-manager -d here I come. | 14:18 |
| jrwren | i'll do it remote even. | 14:18 |
| jrwren | that is how confident I am. | 14:18 |
| rick_h | party! | 14:18 |
| jrwren | s/update-manager/do-release-upgrade/ | 14:18 |
| brousch | jrwren: that's because you do your work on a different machine | 14:19 |
| jrwren | *its working* | 14:19 |
| jrwren | brousch: um, yes and no. | 14:19 |
| jrwren | said machine runs a lot of "production" services for me. | 14:19 |
| jrwren | e.g. if it is down, i hear about it from my wife pretty quickly. | 14:19 |
| _stink_ | anyone use this badboy? http://mosh.mit.edu/ | 15:00 |
| rick_h | I hate bzr...damn thing... | 15:00 |
| rick_h | _stink_: nope, never heard of it | 15:00 |
| _stink_ | do i win a prize for hearing about something terminaly before rick_h? | 15:01 |
| ColonelPanic001 | you should. | 15:02 |
| _stink_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| rick_h | _stink_: you can have a bookie badge at penguicon if you're there :P | 15:03 |
| _stink_ | yay! | 15:05 |
| snap-l | I'm curious what the protocol they use is | 15:07 |
| snap-l | apparently I fail at scrolling | 15:07 |
| snap-l | So, you have to expose the server in order to connect to it. Not sure I trust that. | 15:08 |
| * snap-l loves his SSH tunnels | 15:09 | |
| jrwren | i love snap-l's ssh tunnels too | 15:11 |
| rick_h | always love it when people don't know vim so they write their own crap for it http://vimbits.com/bits/351 | 15:11 |
| jrwren | a replacement for ssh? this does not sound good. | 15:12 |
| * brousch has no interest in snap-l's love tunnels | 15:12 | |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's not quite as bad as it first appears | 15:12 |
| jrwren | lol @ local echo as a selling point. | 15:12 |
| snap-l | but it looks like you lose key auth | 15:12 |
| jrwren | it certainly looks interesting | 15:13 |
| rick_h | bwuhahaha beat into submission! http://ramblings.timgolden.me.uk/2012/04/09/pep8-it-is-then/ | 15:14 |
| snap-l | nice to know that the energy trail mix I was eating that has soybeans and other nuts "Contains: Soy, Nuts" | 15:15 |
| snap-l | I'd be downright pissed if it didn't. | 15:15 |
| jrwren | TIL: bash supports loadable builtins | 15:16 |
| jrwren | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashLoadable | 15:16 |
| snap-l | rick_h: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024057.do?sortby=publicationDate | 15:17 |
| rick_h | snap-l: cool | 15:17 |
| rick_h | but honestly, I've not run across much where I'd need the stuff. | 15:18 |
| snap-l | Me either, but that doesn't keep my "buy it now" finger from itching. | 15:18 |
| rick_h | heh, I'm starting to lose the trigger... | 15:19 |
| * rick_h hides the Go and Ruby books he recently picke dup on whims | 15:19 | |
| snap-l | rick_h: *coughbullshitcough* | 15:19 |
| rick_h | need to get those meds going snap-l :) | 15:19 |
| rick_h | I am running out of light reading stuff. I like to read a bit before bed and getting tough | 15:19 |
| rick_h | so I just start up more code projects :P | 15:19 |
| rick_h | hey, I picked up that tornado book and now using tornado on readable.bmark.us :P | 15:20 |
| * snap-l wonders what a 5 * book is for rick_h | 15:20 | |
| rick_h | snap-l: you know my wife's rule :P | 15:20 |
| rick_h | "rick_h isn't picky...he's just easily displeased" | 15:20 |
| rick_h | I don't give perfect ratings unless I'm blown away | 15:21 |
| rick_h | it makes review season at work hard | 15:21 |
| rick_h | brousch: have you scaled anything on heroku? Used multi workers? | 15:22 |
| brousch | no | 15:22 |
| brousch | i only have grpug on there, and it is tiny | 15:22 |
| rick_h | k | 15:22 |
| brousch | rick_h: as usual, you are on the cutting edge | 15:43 |
| rick_h | brousch: well just curious more than anything how it works for scaling out. Just launches more instances of your app/proxies I'd imagine | 15:44 |
| rick_h | I'll write up a bunch of test urls and try siege at it | 15:44 |
| brousch | i am weak and resort to GAE for scale | 15:45 |
| rick_h | yea, don't need to scale out much at the moment, but it seems interesting that I might be able to runa heroku command to fire up 3 more dynos, run my background cron job, and then shut them down again | 15:46 |
| rick_h | to help scale out the readable processing backend | 15:47 |
| rick_h | it's a bit more appealing than setting up multiple/larger ec2 instances | 15:47 |
| brousch | even with juju? | 15:47 |
| rick_h | hmm, interesting thought. The issue I have with juju is I need to fire up more boxes | 15:48 |
| rick_h | one to run juju on, one for each app | 15:49 |
| rick_h | I guess with this app it's just n+1 | 15:49 |
| brousch | well i assume whatever machine is requesting the readable version would fire up the instances/turn on moar dynos | 15:50 |
| rick_h | yea, since it's a cron job the idea is just that scale up, process cron job, go back down to free tier | 15:51 |
| rick_h | I guess it needs the heroku tools and my ssh key in order to do that | 15:51 |
| brousch | ah, i was thinking it was a queue | 15:51 |
| brousch | seems reasonable though | 15:52 |
| rick_h | anyway, stuff to tinker with | 15:52 |
| snap-l | Fuck | 15:52 |
| snap-l | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck | 15:52 |
| snap-l | http://www.npr.org/2012/04/09/150281080/at-t-lets-go-of-shrinking-yellow-pages-business | 15:52 |
| rick_h | ? | 15:53 |
| rick_h | because att is awesome? | 15:53 |
| snap-l | I hope this doesn't include the White Pages | 15:53 |
| snap-l | because if it does, I hope that the FTC steps in to ensure that Cerberus doesn't start marketing the hell out of that data. | 15:54 |
| rick_h | I wonder if I'm even in the white pages | 15:54 |
| brousch | bah, switch to mobile | 15:54 |
| snap-l | I know I am | 15:54 |
| snap-l | my phone number is listed as a FAX number. | 15:54 |
| snap-l | WOW gave me the option, so I took it. ;) | 15:55 |
| brousch | ahahaha | 15:55 |
| snap-l | Also, for those playing at home, Cerberus was the company that purchased Chrysler from Daimler | 15:56 |
| rick_h | lol https://twitter.com/#!/davidsiegel/status/189380898695811074 | 15:56 |
| snap-l | and ended selling Chrysler to Fiat | 15:56 |
| snap-l | rick_h: I think that's the 5th or 6th sign of the apocalypse | 15:57 |
| rick_h | yea, they're coming in big batches lately | 15:57 |
| brousch | well, it is 2012 | 15:57 |
| jrwren | is there a way to get apt to allow me to merge changes between changed configuration files? | 16:43 |
| jrwren | e.g. my php.ini file has changed. I want to merge the changes that apt is suggesting. | 16:43 |
| jrwren | not overwrite | 16:43 |
| jrwren | s/apt/dpkg/ | 16:44 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I thought there was an option for that | 16:44 |
| snap-l | ie: if it's possible, it'll offer it | 16:44 |
| jrwren | https://gist.github.com/2344650 you can see a diff | 16:44 |
| snap-l | but usually I just obliterate the config with whatever the package maintainer had, and apply afterward | 16:44 |
| jrwren | but you cannot merge | 16:44 |
| jrwren | i'll keep local and look at the .dpkg-suggested later | 16:45 |
| snap-l | I <3 how this spam uses a news article to trick the bayes filters. | 16:49 |
| snap-l | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-04/groupon-ipo-scandal-is-the-sleaze-that-s-legal.html | 16:51 |
| rick_h | heh, groupon has struck me as just a unsavory company from day one | 16:55 |
| snap-l | YEah, they're like Entertainment Books | 16:56 |
| greg-g | I keep trying to convince Carrie that Groupon/Livingsocial are not worth our time, but she keeps vetoing me | 17:02 |
| rick_h | thankfully my wife hasn't found/messed with them yet | 17:03 |
| greg-g | I can't believe I'm being vetoed after the shenanigans Groupon pulled, and the fact that we have at least two that we'll never use because we bought them pre-baby | 17:04 |
| snap-l | JoDee looked at them, but frankly there were only a handful that seemed interesting | 17:08 |
| snap-l | and all of them felt like a deal with the devil | 17:09 |
| snap-l | (Groupon, not Living Social) | 17:09 |
| snap-l | And the 6th seal breaks: http://allthingsd.com/20120409/breaking-facebook-to-acquire-instagram-for-1-billion/?mod=tweet | 17:10 |
| rick_h | holy crap... | 17:11 |
| rick_h | can you freaking imagine? 2yrs of work, and sure, work your @#$#@ off, but 2yrs of work and bought out for that kind of $$? | 17:11 |
| snap-l | rick_h: STOP TALKING AND START WORKING ON BOOKIE | 17:12 |
| rick_h | no kidding, not that it'd ever be a freaking billion dollar anything | 17:12 |
| snap-l | Shush | 17:12 |
| rick_h | but hell, I'd just like to earn a living hacking on stuff I want to hack on | 17:12 |
| snap-l | I'm sure Yahoo will be back in the market for a bookmarking application | 17:12 |
| rick_h | lmao | 17:12 |
| rick_h | geeze...that's crushing. | 17:13 |
| rick_h | I should stop reading these startup books and such. | 17:13 |
| greg-g | startups are toxic | 17:13 |
| rick_h | yea, definitely, but appeals so much to the builder in me | 17:14 |
| rick_h | 245687 | 17:14 |
| rick_h | grrr, stupid thing | 17:14 |
| greg-g | building is great | 17:15 |
| greg-g | the startup mentality/ethic(or lack there-of) is toxic | 17:15 |
| greg-g | sorry, after moving to the mecca of startups, I can confirm all bad press | 17:15 |
| rick_h | ah, yea having never done/worked with that stuff I don't have experience for that stuff | 17:15 |
| rick_h | for me I just see people that have a passion for just building cool stuff and that's what I love. | 17:16 |
| rick_h | even my woodworking/etc is all about just making things | 17:16 |
| * greg-g is also in a bad mood re most investors that anything that smells like one he'll probably not like | 17:16 | |
| rick_h | so I romanticize it I'm sure | 17:16 |
| greg-g | rick_h++ | 17:16 |
| rick_h | lol: https://twitter.com/#!/rands/status/189400929173372928 | 17:16 |
| greg-g | nice | 17:17 |
| jrwren | ~wait? | 17:17 |
| greg-g | glad I didn't install the app | 17:17 |
| jrwren | toxic? | 17:17 |
| jrwren | how are startups toxic? | 17:17 |
| greg-g | :) heh, I knew I would troll jrwren with that comment | 17:17 |
| greg-g | sorry, see the /me comment above | 17:18 |
| jrwren | ah. | 17:18 |
| jrwren | generalizations. | 17:18 |
| greg-g | yeah | 17:18 |
| jrwren | fair enough. | 17:18 |
| greg-g | generalizations+stereotypes+some first hand experience ;) | 17:18 |
| greg-g | I work in the same building as 500 Startups | 17:19 |
| greg-g | the group, luckily there aren't 500 startups here | 17:19 |
| greg-g | (also, did you know that 500 startups has only worked with ~200 startups? heh) | 17:19 |
| rick_h | lol, going to say that must be a big building or some small startups | 17:19 |
| jrwren | ha! | 17:19 |
| greg-g | one startup per child | 17:19 |
| jrwren | some startups are great. | 17:19 |
| greg-g | right, totally. startup just means 'burgeoning business' which can be anywhere on the good/bad ethical/unethical whatever/not-whatever spectrum | 17:20 |
| jrwren | yay! | 17:20 |
| greg-g | but, given certain inputs, certain outputs tend to come to pass | 17:20 |
| rick_h | yea, but I think a lot of people, especially outside certain circles automatically throw up some filters when they hear 'startup' | 17:20 |
| jrwren | sure. | 17:21 |
| jrwren | i hear "low paid" | 17:21 |
| greg-g | heh | 17:21 |
| greg-g | that's one of them :) | 17:21 |
| rick_h | long hours, some blinders on the head, and partially salely | 17:21 |
| rick_h | to start | 17:21 |
| snap-l | I think the big thing that drives me nuts about startups is this thought that every startup has to conform to this notion of 25 hour days, adrenaline-fueled binges, and no money for the promise of a big payout | 17:26 |
| rick_h | yea, I really respect what guys like the pinboard guys do. Gary Bernhardt as well. Setup something to earn a living. | 17:27 |
| snap-l | I would love to make something to earn a living off of | 17:28 |
| snap-l | unfortunately, outside of a lifestyle kickstarter, I'm not sure how to go about that. ;) | 17:28 |
| greg-g | help me fund my beer fridge | 17:29 |
| greg-g | help me buy a new mattress | 17:29 |
| snap-l | Help me stick it to the man | 17:29 |
| rick_h | lol | 17:29 |
| snap-l | for $100,000, I will tatoo your name on my ass. | 17:30 |
| jrwren | like SRT as a "startup" ? | 17:30 |
| rick_h | how do you cleaim that income lol | 17:31 |
| snap-l | rick_h: hobby | 17:31 |
| rick_h | "Ass defamation: $100,000" | 17:31 |
| rick_h | jrwren: yea, I suppose, but it seems that in that kind of setup you're really dependant on the types of work/projects you can get your hands on | 17:32 |
| snap-l | Well, you could take the tattoo iteself off as a business expense. | 17:32 |
| rick_h | this is kind of crazy http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/09/right-before-acquisition-instagram-closed-50m-at-a-500m-valuation-from-sequoia-thrive-greylock-and-benchmark/ | 17:33 |
| jrwren | rick_h: yes, you are VERY dependant. | 17:33 |
| jrwren | but it does have the "make a place we want to work" value | 17:34 |
| rick_h | jrwren: yea, definitely has potential to be really cool | 17:34 |
| jjesse | instagram worth $1 billion dollars or equal to purchasing 4 boeing 777's | 17:34 |
| rick_h | and seems that they've acomplished that there | 17:34 |
| rick_h | hah, well when you put it that way | 17:34 |
| jrwren | even that $500M valuation is nuts. | 17:34 |
| rick_h | actually, wasn't the new Giants/Jets stadium 1B to build? | 17:34 |
| rick_h | that's crazy | 17:35 |
| jrwren | wtf would you say flickr is worth? | 17:35 |
| jjesse | is it the community behind instagram or the app they are after? | 17:35 |
| snap-l | jrwren: To the people who host photos there, lots | 17:35 |
| greg-g | jjesse: community | 17:35 |
| snap-l | jrwren: To the people searching for photos there, lots | 17:35 |
| rick_h | I don't know, evidently I suck at these maths...I missed "hyperbolic valuations theory" when I was taking calc 3 | 17:35 |
| greg-g | now a-days apps are a secondary thought, you can always throw 30 more devs at a problem. But community (ie: personal data to monetize with ads or sponsorshis or whatever the fuck) is where the money is | 17:36 |
| snap-l | jrwren: To everyone else who couldn't care less, nothing. | 17:36 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Which is fascinating to see the number of people looking to cancel their instagram accounts. | 17:37 |
| jrwren | i'm trying to find what yahoo paid for clikr | 17:37 |
| rick_h | well, facebook is a pretty binary ecosystem | 17:37 |
| jrwren | * paid for flickr | 17:37 |
| snap-l | but that's to be expected | 17:37 |
| greg-g | snap-l: they are? I doubt it'll be any sig percentage | 17:37 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I think it'll be 5-10% | 17:37 |
| snap-l | But I think Facebook just wants the community to be on Facebook | 17:37 |
| greg-g | facebook really seems like it is going to win the web war from google | 17:38 |
| rick_h | jrwren: Yahoo! acquired Ludicorp and Flickr in March 2005. The reported acquisition cost was $35 million | 17:38 |
| jrwren | lol. | 17:38 |
| rick_h | I have to agree with most people, I don't see how this buys anything for Facebook. | 17:38 |
| jrwren | I'd suggest that flickr then was more valuable than instagram is now. | 17:38 |
| rick_h | Facebook has more resources, more talent, more tech know how, more customers. | 17:38 |
| jrwren | but pros disagree with me :) | 17:38 |
| snap-l | jrwren: The mobile component is what's adding the crack-frosting to this cake | 17:39 |
| greg-g | jrwren: and now you see why the JOBS Act is dumb | 17:39 |
| * greg-g chuckles | 17:39 | |
| jjesse | the mobile part is the key | 17:39 |
| snap-l | OMG, I CAN POST FROM MY PHONE?!?!?!?! | 17:39 |
| * greg-g is on a jrwren trolling party bus today | 17:39 | |
| jrwren | greg-g: fuk no. | 17:40 |
| jrwren | jobs act means I could have got in on the double my money overnight action :) | 17:40 |
| jrwren | the flickr phone app is pretty good. maybe better than instagram. | 17:40 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I have a charity you can support | 17:40 |
| jrwren | but... but... trendy filters! | 17:40 |
| jcastro | Instagram! Powered by Ubuntu | 17:40 |
| greg-g | lol | 17:40 |
| snap-l | it's the Society for the prevention of the buying power of idiots. | 17:40 |
| snap-l | Just send us your donation, and we'll see that idiots everywhere won't be able to make stupid purchases. | 17:41 |
| snap-l | Ask your friends to make matching donations. | 17:41 |
| greg-g | it DOUBLES the effect of your contribution! | 17:42 |
| snap-l | absolutely. | 17:42 |
| rick_h | cool, found a local clarkston dev, node.js fanboi it appears, but still. | 17:42 |
| jrwren | snap-l: so your goal is the destruction of walmart? | 17:42 |
| greg-g | rick_h: ??? | 17:42 |
| rick_h | greg-g: sorry, just surprised there are other real techy people in my local area. | 17:43 |
| snap-l | jrwren: If I could take in what walmart takes in, I'd be very happy. | 17:43 |
| snap-l | rick_h: It's not like you live in the boonies | 17:43 |
| rick_h | greg-g: especially condering all the driving I do to hang out with you techy folks :P | 17:43 |
| snap-l | you have an ice cream stand that isn't attached to a cow, for God's sake. | 17:43 |
| jrwren | snap-l: ha! hahahahah! | 17:43 |
| greg-g | rick_h: ah, thought you got inspired by instagram and hired a second bookie employee ;) | 17:43 |
| jrwren | cooks farm dairy! nom nom nom | 17:43 |
| rick_h | greg-g: lmao, now you're talking | 17:44 |
| rick_h | jrwren: the local place started service cook's ice cream | 17:44 |
| snap-l | rick_h: There you go: put in an ad in Craigslist for a developer | 17:44 |
| rick_h | and then respond to it myself? | 17:44 |
| snap-l | "The internet is booming, and we need to grow our business" | 17:44 |
| snap-l | "looking for qualified rockstar developers to help take us to the next level" | 17:45 |
| snap-l | "Must be willing to swear your soul to the company. Pay is upwards of $8 an hour, commesurate with experience" | 17:45 |
| snap-l | dhh: Dude, it's so not like last time. Those were desktop eyeballs. Everyone knows they ain't worth shit. These are MOBILE eyeballs, PLAYA! | 17:46 |
| greg-g | they have a point that mobile eyeballs are worth more (more situated data, and easier access to your other data eg contacts) | 17:48 |
| greg-g | situated/contextualized | 17:49 |
| greg-g | you thought Google just wanted to make an "open source" alternative to iphone to be the "good guy"? :) | 17:49 |
| rick_h | https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/189409227767427072 lol | 17:49 |
| greg-g | nice | 17:50 |
| jrwren | <3 Gary | 17:50 |
| snap-l | @benhjacobs: Kodak goes bankrupt and Instagram is worth a billion dollars. 2012, y'all. | 17:57 |
| jrwren | fukin crazy. | 17:58 |
| jrwren | instagram doesn't even have a website. | 17:58 |
| jrwren | just the app. | 17:58 |
| jrwren | i've no idea where it even posts to. | 17:58 |
| jrwren | no WAY is it worth a billion | 17:58 |
| jrwren | this is insane. | 17:58 |
| snap-l | RT @hasanahmad: @jeffjarvis now all fb has to do is acquire tumblr and the hipster suicide watch will begin | 17:58 |
| snap-l | lol | 17:58 |
| greg-g | jrwren: that's the point (no web, just app) that way you control ALL data | 17:59 |
| greg-g | appifuckication | 17:59 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I value that answer at $500 internet bucks | 17:59 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:59 |
| brousch | instaram is worth so much because it runs on django | 18:00 |
| rick_h | clearly :P | 18:00 |
| brousch | and gunicorn | 18:00 |
| brousch | a good stack http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/13649370142/what-powers-instagram-hundreds-of-instances-dozens-of | 18:01 |
| snap-l | Also, now that INstagram is $1B, I look forward to Polaroid suing for trademark infringement | 18:04 |
| jrwren | how is that a good stack? | 18:08 |
| jrwren | some WEIRD choices there. | 18:08 |
| jrwren | I'm sure they had their reasons. | 18:08 |
| jrwren | not that I'm knocking the python/django/gunicorn choices. | 18:09 |
| brousch | what is weird? | 18:09 |
| rick_h | no, but 25 app servers and 12 db servers? | 18:09 |
| jrwren | EBS | 18:09 |
| jrwren | they complain about EBS spindles. | 18:10 |
| jrwren | why not just store images in S3 ? | 18:10 |
| jrwren | its literally for what S3 was made | 18:10 |
| rick_h | "The photos themselves go straight to Amazon S3" | 18:10 |
| jrwren | lol, i missed that then! | 18:10 |
| jrwren | sheeesh. | 18:10 |
| jrwren | reading fail. | 18:11 |
| jrwren | ty rick_h | 18:11 |
| rick_h | np, was just reading that line myself so had it handy :) | 18:11 |
| jrwren | in that case, its a damn shame to hear that their pg on ebs is so slow. | 18:11 |
| rick_h | well ebs disk is known to have issues | 18:11 |
| jrwren | because meta data for users and photos for only a few TB of photes should NOT be that much. | 18:11 |
| rick_h | there's a LOT of posts out there trying to hack on that | 18:12 |
| snap-l | Also, Microsoft apparently bought some Netscape patents | 18:14 |
| jrwren | from whom? | 18:14 |
| jrwren | from AOL? | 18:14 |
| snap-l | Yep | 18:14 |
| rick_h | yea, a whole "realizing the value of our patent portfolio" deal | 18:15 |
| brousch | $1billion dollars worth | 18:15 |
| rick_h | the articles coming out of that were nuts | 18:15 |
| snap-l | So, at what point does the bubble burst again? | 18:16 |
| jjesse | except AOL kept the Netscape URL and the Netscape ISP | 18:16 |
| jjesse | wtf Netscape ISP is i don't know but it is apparently out there | 18:16 |
| snap-l | I mean, we have patent portfolios that are essentially just a lot of hot air | 18:17 |
| snap-l | and companies who have a freemium business model | 18:17 |
| snap-l | Wondering if Groupon will be this generation's Pets.com | 18:17 |
| snap-l | s/generation/iteration/ | 18:17 |
| brousch | linux-magazine makes me want to kick puppies | 18:34 |
| brousch | they always have a small, interesting abstract then you have to download a PDF for the full article | 18:34 |
| snap-l | brousch: And you have to subscribe too, if it's a more recent article. | 18:35 |
| brousch | YOU BETTER RUN, PUPPIES | 18:35 |
| rick_h | grrrr.."to cancel please call out special number...and wait on hold forever!! bwuhahaha!" | 18:42 |
| snap-l | rick_h: What are you canceling? | 18:44 |
| rick_h | broadvoice | 18:44 |
| rick_h | we never use the land line phones at all, just give verizon our $$ and skip this fake land line | 18:45 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Ah, lovely. | 18:46 |
| rick_h | damn! 15min hold, say I want to cancel...and transferred back on hold | 18:47 |
| snap-l | My only worry with that is having all lines of communicaion cut in an emergency | 18:47 |
| snap-l | says the man with a VOIP service that goes AWOL when the power is cut. | 18:48 |
| rick_h | yea, but I can google voice through my laptop the same as this broadvoice voip setup | 18:48 |
| rick_h | and I have my stuff on battery backup for some of that | 18:48 |
| snap-l | Yeah, same here | 18:49 |
| rick_h | the only thing was the nice ability to put phones across the house and for the wife doing call to not have to keep around her cell phone | 18:49 |
| rick_h | but she's gotten to where she never uses the 'land' line so done with it | 18:49 |
| snap-l | Yeah, we use our land line a lot | 18:49 |
| snap-l | our cell phones are essentially messaging terminals | 18:50 |
| rick_h | when the route went boom I left it un hoooked up, think that was 3mo ago | 18:50 |
| snap-l | and for mobile. | 18:50 |
| rick_h | heh yea, even my MIL is texting | 18:50 |
| snap-l | My parents are luddites | 18:50 |
| snap-l | My dad's phone doesn't accept texts, I learned this weekend. | 18:50 |
| rick_h | orly, wow | 18:50 |
| snap-l | ANd my mom could probably well served with a brick | 18:52 |
| snap-l | so she could threaten someone to use their cell phone in case of an emergency. | 18:52 |
| jrwren | you could always get a google voice account and hook that up to your land line. | 18:56 |
| jrwren | for the cost of a ATA | 18:56 |
| rick_h | jrwren: yea, end of the day, we use our cells for everything so not a lot of point other than to let the boy play with the land line phones | 18:58 |
| rick_h | he loves that | 18:58 |
| jrwren | *nod* | 18:58 |
| jrwren | i'm still paying $17/mo for vonage for no good reason. | 18:58 |
| brousch | we dumped landline 18 months ago | 18:59 |
| brousch | haven't had any problems | 18:59 |
| jrwren | the nice thing about a land line is that it will potentially keep working in a MAJOR power outage. | 19:00 |
| jrwren | like the aug 2001 blackout. | 19:00 |
| jrwren | was that 2001? | 19:00 |
| jrwren | err, 2033 | 19:00 |
| brousch | well you still have 911 service on your landline | 19:01 |
| jrwren | i don't think even a 1500VA UPS will last for 3-4 days powering a router, cable modem and ATA | 19:01 |
| rick_h | no, you're in generator area there | 19:01 |
| jrwren | brousch: you might. My wires aren't wired to ATT in my walls | 19:01 |
| jrwren | i should run some tests and see just how long a UPS can power the cable modem router and ATA | 19:02 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yeah, that was the only thing that was working | 19:02 |
| jrwren | just thinking about the 2k3 blackout makes me want to eat icecream. | 19:06 |
| jrwren | had to clear out the freezer :) | 19:06 |
| snap-l | http://twitpic.com/97ub0z | 19:30 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czZr2e-pl0 <- Neurotech's latest EP | 19:32 |
| brousch | that is so 2 hours ago | 19:35 |
| snap-l | which? | 19:36 |
| brousch | neeeurotech | 19:37 |
| snap-l | brousch: You're on their mailing list, aren't you? :) | 19:47 |
| brousch | of course | 19:48 |
| snap-l | http://askubuntu.com/a/101634/1614 <- This is very useful information | 19:55 |
| snap-l | I give the poster $500 internet bucks | 19:55 |
| brousch | heh. it is silly how often people ask that | 19:58 |
| brousch | i think 3/4 of my reputation points are from similar questions | 19:58 |
| snap-l | http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/04/09/computer-legend-and-gaming-pioneer-jack-tramiel-dies-at-age-83/ | 20:02 |
| rick_h | geeze, this freaking nas has a 'desktop' | 21:12 |
| greg-g | lol | 21:16 |
| waldo323_ | the Penguicon schedule is available http://penguicon2012.sched.org/ it is still a work in progress and there is still time for some additions as well | 21:30 |
| waldo323_ | they/we are looking for feedback so we can solve issues before it goes to print | 21:31 |
| rick_h | so pushing 4-5MB/s across gigabit so far in rsync backup | 22:23 |
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