[00:06] <snap-l> Whew.
[00:06] <snap-l> Holiday is over
[00:07] <snap-l> now it's time to think about going to work tomorrow
[00:07] <snap-l> (sigh)
[00:08] <rick_h> yea, ugh
[01:09] <brousch> rick_h: what'd you put on heroku?
[01:10] <rick_h> brousch: http://readable.bmark.us/
[01:11] <rick_h> doing pretty well, tested with seige to get aroud 27req/s with the async url fetcher
[01:11] <rick_h> considering I'm doing another http call and I'm limited to the upstream server it works cool
[01:11] <brousch> so you broke out the parser into its own app?
[01:13] <rick_h> brousch: yea, so in order to scale it out I thought it'd be cool to make it its own app and just have bookie call it when it does backgroud processing/etc
[01:14] <rick_h> plus it gives me something to tinker with heroky with, it's very limited in scope, and doing it with tornado/async to play with that as well
[01:14] <rick_h> should help reduce some code overhead in bookie, make this potentially useful
[01:15] <rick_h> I can do a bookmark that just feeds the current url to the /view/ call and you can get readable text without bookmarking
[01:15] <rick_h> and running on one heroku instance is free, so you could very quickly setup your own vs the bookie install
[01:15] <rick_h> anyway, something to tinker with, having fun with new stuff
[01:18] <brousch> nice
[11:05] <rick_h> morning
[11:05] <rick_h> for those of you that need more books: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/603/
[11:36] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:36] <snap-l> rick_h: NOOOOOOOOOO
[11:42] <rick_h> snap-l: I never loaded the page, I don't want to look lol
[11:52] <brousch> This sounds like Penguicon to me http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/04/09/hermetically-yours
[11:53] <snap-l> hah
[11:53] <snap-l> Or just about every conference
[11:53] <snap-l> "Hi, it's a pleaseure to meet you. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go fumigate my hand in Purell"/
[12:50] <brousch> this is crazy http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1760499
[12:50] <brousch> you need to do all of that crap just to run your own code on your own ipad?
[13:07] <snap-l> Remind me to blokc informit at the router level as well
[13:07] <snap-l> Man, but they have the worst articles.
[13:08] <rick_h> lol
[13:09] <snap-l> ALmost as bad as PC MAgazine
[13:09] <snap-l> Any time I read some BS half-researched article, it's usually from infoworld, informit, or PC magazine
[13:10] <snap-l> That said, Doug Hellman and WEsley Chun are the exceptions
[13:31] <brousch> i am feeling more dense than usual this morning
[13:32] <brousch> how do i put my ~/.vimrc and ~/.vim in a repo on gihub? do i have to git init my ~ dir?
[13:32] <rick_h> so I check my stuff out to ~/configs
[13:32] <rick_h> and have an install.py that symlinks it to ~
[13:33] <brousch> ah, so you put it in a separate dir and symlink to where it belongs
[13:33] <snap-l> I have a .git directory in my .vim directory
[13:33] <brousch> snap-l: but that wouldn't get .vimrc
[13:33] <snap-l> which has vimrc and gvimrc in there with a link to ~/.vimrc and .gvimrc
[13:33] <rick_h> brousch: yea, and it let me keep all my dotfiles/ssh files/vim in one place for updating/etc
[13:34] <brousch> hm
[13:34] <rick_h> brousch: https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim
[13:34] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, and you put .zshrc and other foo in there.
[13:34] <rick_h> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/install.py
[13:35] <snap-l> ACtually, I'm surprised you don't have .zshrc in configs
[13:35] <brousch> geez
[13:36] <brousch> wow, that's just for vim?
[13:41] <rick_h> yea, I've got the same setup for git reops for email config, dotfiles, vim, ssh, and ~/bin
[13:41] <rick_h> so it's a bit copy/paste
[13:41] <rick_h> brousch: but that's installing all my pathogen bundles as well
[13:42] <rick_h> snap-l: don't you want to go scripting tmux now? :)
[13:43] <brousch> i think this will work
[13:43] <brousch> put the vim stuff in ~/configs/vim and have a simple install.sh to symlink where they belong
[13:43] <jrwren> i have to admit, i'm not sure that I like that solution, but I've not come up with anything better :(
[13:44] <rick_h> yea, I like it well enough
[13:44] <brousch> thanks
[13:45] <rick_h> but yea, I've got a bunch of repos since my vim is published it can't have anything private in it
[13:45] <rick_h> my ssh is it's own config so that the private keys only get installed on my main system, etc
[13:45] <rick_h> not all my systems need to do email, so no sense having my email acct passwords on every machine
[13:45] <jrwren> you put private keys on github?
[13:45] <rick_h> no, I don't
[13:45] <jrwren> ah, i see.
[13:45] <rick_h> that's why I have 5 different repos in ~/configs
[13:46] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh yeah
[13:46] <snap-l> It's the only reason I considered making a configs directory. :)
[13:46] <jrwren> rick_h: making any progress on moving all the bzr stuff to git there? :p
[13:47] <rick_h> jrwren: heh, I wish...not a bzr fan
[13:47] <rick_h> brousch: and then you start to get stuff like: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/604/ :)
[13:48] <brousch> wow
[13:48] <brousch> i suppose that has its own repo too
[13:49] <rick_h> there's more to that: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/605/
[13:49] <rick_h> brousch: yea, a new repo called 'install'
[13:49] <brousch> rick_h: where do you keep all these repos?
[13:49] <rick_h> brousch: so yea, the idea is to git clone install from my local server, and then it runs the rest of the install steps via make commands there
[13:50] <rick_h> brousch: public ones are on github, one private one is on github, and a couple others are copied on a local machine and a backup remote machine so I've got two copies
[13:51] <rick_h> gits is a alias for one of my local machines basically
[13:51] <brousch> i'll probably put it in a bitbucket private repo
[13:51] <rick_h> this is 3 installs (so 1.5yr?) in the making. Each install I automate/document a little more and a little more
[13:52] <rick_h> this last install took really just over an hour to get most things back up
[13:52] <rick_h> most of that downloading things :)
[13:56] <brousch> is that setting up awesome or unity?
[13:56] <rick_h> well it installs awesome and my dotfiles has my awesome config in it
[13:57] <rick_h> but you choose what to log into at boot time
[13:57] <rick_h> so I can logout/in to unity any time
[13:57] <brousch> nice
[13:58] <brousch> what's with using make instead of bash?
[13:58] <brousch> or zsh
[13:59] <rick_h> so make uses bash
[13:59] <rick_h> it's using shell commands to perform the steps
[13:59] <rick_h> the nice thing is I can rerun parts
[13:59] <rick_h> so when I install a package, to make sure my install keeps up to date, I add it to my makefile command and rerun that
[14:00] <rick_h> and you get deps, so when I make configs, the ~/configs directory is auto created as a dep
[14:00] <rick_h> that kind of stuff
[14:02] <jrwren> can't you SHELL=/usr/bin/zsh at the top of your make file? :)
[14:02] <rick_h> yea, but not doing anything that really needs it
[14:10] <brousch> woohoo, it works!
[14:11] <rick_h> yay
[14:18] <jrwren> i think today I'll go to precise.
[14:18] <jrwren> update-manager -d here I come.
[14:18] <jrwren> i'll do it remote even.
[14:18] <jrwren> that is how confident I am.
[14:18] <rick_h> party!
[14:18] <jrwren> s/update-manager/do-release-upgrade/
[14:19] <brousch> jrwren: that's because you do your work on a different machine
[14:19] <jrwren> *its working*
[14:19] <jrwren> brousch: um, yes and no.
[14:19] <jrwren> said machine runs a lot of "production" services for me.
[14:19] <jrwren> e.g. if it is down, i hear about it from my wife pretty quickly.
[15:00] <_stink_> anyone use this badboy? http://mosh.mit.edu/
[15:00] <rick_h> I hate bzr...damn thing...
[15:00] <rick_h> _stink_: nope, never heard of it
[15:01] <_stink_> do i win a prize for hearing about something terminaly before rick_h?
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> you should.
[15:03] <_stink_> o/
[15:03] <rick_h> _stink_: you can have a bookie badge at penguicon if you're there :P
[15:05] <_stink_> yay!
[15:07] <snap-l> I'm curious what the protocol they use is
[15:07] <snap-l> apparently I fail at scrolling
[15:08] <snap-l> So, you have to expose the server in order to connect to it. Not sure I trust that.
[15:09]  * snap-l loves his SSH tunnels
[15:11] <jrwren> i love snap-l's ssh tunnels too
[15:11] <rick_h> always love it when people don't know vim so they write their own crap for it http://vimbits.com/bits/351
[15:12] <jrwren> a replacement for ssh? this does not sound good.
[15:12]  * brousch has no interest in snap-l's love tunnels
[15:12] <snap-l> jrwren: It's not quite as bad as it first appears
[15:12] <jrwren> lol @ local echo as a selling point.
[15:12] <snap-l> but it looks like you lose key auth
[15:13] <jrwren> it certainly looks interesting
[15:14] <rick_h> bwuhahaha beat into submission! http://ramblings.timgolden.me.uk/2012/04/09/pep8-it-is-then/
[15:15] <snap-l> nice to know that the energy trail mix I was eating that has soybeans and other nuts "Contains: Soy, Nuts"
[15:15] <snap-l> I'd be downright pissed if it didn't.
[15:16] <jrwren> TIL: bash supports loadable builtins
[15:16] <jrwren> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashLoadable
[15:17] <snap-l> rick_h: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024057.do?sortby=publicationDate
[15:17] <rick_h> snap-l: cool
[15:18] <rick_h> but honestly, I've not run across much where I'd need the stuff.
[15:18] <snap-l> Me either, but that doesn't keep my "buy it now" finger from itching.
[15:19] <rick_h> heh, I'm starting to lose the trigger...
[15:19]  * rick_h hides the Go and Ruby books he recently picke dup on whims
[15:19] <snap-l> rick_h: *coughbullshitcough*
[15:19] <rick_h> need to get those meds going snap-l :)
[15:19] <rick_h> I am running out of light reading stuff. I like to read a bit before bed and getting tough
[15:19] <rick_h> so I just start up more code projects :P
[15:20] <rick_h> hey, I picked up that tornado book and now using tornado on readable.bmark.us :P
[15:20]  * snap-l wonders what a 5 * book is for rick_h
[15:20] <rick_h> snap-l: you know my wife's rule :P
[15:20] <rick_h> "rick_h isn't picky...he's just easily displeased"
[15:21] <rick_h> I don't give perfect ratings unless I'm blown away
[15:21] <rick_h> it makes review season at work hard
[15:22] <rick_h> brousch: have you scaled anything on heroku? Used multi workers?
[15:22] <brousch> no
[15:22] <brousch> i only have grpug on there, and it is tiny
[15:22] <rick_h> k
[15:43] <brousch> rick_h: as usual, you are on the cutting edge
[15:44] <rick_h> brousch: well just curious more than anything how it works for scaling out. Just launches more instances of your app/proxies I'd imagine
[15:44] <rick_h> I'll write up a bunch of test urls and try siege at it
[15:45] <brousch> i am weak and resort to GAE for scale
[15:46] <rick_h> yea, don't need to scale out much at the moment, but it seems interesting that I might be able to runa heroku command to fire up 3 more dynos, run my background cron job, and then shut them down again
[15:47] <rick_h> to help scale out the readable processing backend
[15:47] <rick_h> it's a bit more appealing than setting up multiple/larger ec2 instances
[15:47] <brousch> even with juju?
[15:48] <rick_h> hmm, interesting thought. The issue I have with juju is I need to fire up more boxes
[15:49] <rick_h> one to run juju on, one for each app
[15:49] <rick_h> I guess with this app it's just n+1
[15:50] <brousch> well i assume whatever machine is requesting the readable version would fire up the instances/turn on moar dynos
[15:51] <rick_h> yea, since it's a cron job the idea is just that scale up, process cron job, go back down to free tier
[15:51] <rick_h> I guess it needs the heroku tools and my ssh key in order to do that
[15:51] <brousch> ah, i was thinking it was a queue
[15:52] <brousch> seems reasonable though
[15:52] <rick_h> anyway, stuff to tinker with
[15:52] <snap-l> Fuck
[15:52] <snap-l> fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
[15:52] <snap-l> http://www.npr.org/2012/04/09/150281080/at-t-lets-go-of-shrinking-yellow-pages-business
[15:53] <rick_h> ?
[15:53] <rick_h> because att is awesome?
[15:53] <snap-l> I hope this doesn't include the White Pages
[15:54] <snap-l> because if it does, I hope that the FTC steps in to ensure that Cerberus doesn't start marketing the hell out of that data.
[15:54] <rick_h> I wonder if I'm even in the white pages
[15:54] <brousch> bah, switch to mobile
[15:54] <snap-l> I know I am
[15:54] <snap-l> my phone number is listed as a FAX number.
[15:55] <snap-l> WOW gave me the option, so I took it. ;)
[15:55] <brousch> ahahaha
[15:56] <snap-l> Also, for those playing at home, Cerberus was the company that purchased Chrysler from Daimler
[15:56] <rick_h> lol https://twitter.com/#!/davidsiegel/status/189380898695811074
[15:56] <snap-l> and ended selling Chrysler to Fiat
[15:57] <snap-l> rick_h: I think that's the 5th or 6th sign of the apocalypse
[15:57] <rick_h> yea, they're coming in big batches lately
[15:57] <brousch> well, it is 2012
[16:43] <jrwren> is there a way to get apt to allow me to merge changes between changed configuration files?
[16:43] <jrwren> e.g. my php.ini file has changed. I want to merge the changes that apt is suggesting.
[16:43] <jrwren> not overwrite
[16:44] <jrwren> s/apt/dpkg/
[16:44] <snap-l> jrwren: I thought there was an option for that
[16:44] <snap-l>  ie: if it's possible, it'll offer it
[16:44] <jrwren> https://gist.github.com/2344650  you can see a diff
[16:44] <snap-l> but usually I just obliterate the config with whatever the package maintainer had, and apply afterward
[16:44] <jrwren> but you cannot merge
[16:45] <jrwren> i'll keep local and look at the .dpkg-suggested later
[16:49] <snap-l> I <3 how this spam uses a news article to trick the bayes filters.
[16:51] <snap-l> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-04/groupon-ipo-scandal-is-the-sleaze-that-s-legal.html
[16:55] <rick_h> heh, groupon has struck me as just a unsavory company from day one
[16:56] <snap-l> YEah, they're like Entertainment Books
[17:02] <greg-g> I keep trying to convince Carrie that Groupon/Livingsocial are not worth our time, but she keeps vetoing me
[17:03] <rick_h> thankfully my wife hasn't found/messed with them yet
[17:04] <greg-g> I can't believe I'm being vetoed after the shenanigans Groupon pulled, and the fact that we have at least two that we'll never use because we bought them pre-baby
[17:08] <snap-l> JoDee looked at them, but frankly there were only a handful that seemed interesting
[17:09] <snap-l> and all of them felt like a deal with the devil
[17:09] <snap-l> (Groupon, not Living Social)
[17:10] <snap-l> And the 6th seal breaks: http://allthingsd.com/20120409/breaking-facebook-to-acquire-instagram-for-1-billion/?mod=tweet
[17:11] <rick_h> holy crap...
[17:11] <rick_h> can you freaking imagine? 2yrs of work, and sure, work your @#$#@ off, but 2yrs of work and bought out for that kind of $$?
[17:12] <snap-l> rick_h: STOP TALKING AND START WORKING ON BOOKIE
[17:12] <rick_h> no kidding, not that it'd ever be a freaking billion dollar anything
[17:12] <snap-l> Shush
[17:12] <rick_h> but hell, I'd just like to earn a living hacking on stuff I want to hack on
[17:12] <snap-l> I'm sure Yahoo will be back in the market for a bookmarking application
[17:12] <rick_h> lmao
[17:13] <rick_h> geeze...that's crushing.
[17:13] <rick_h> I should stop reading these startup books and such.
[17:13] <greg-g> startups are toxic
[17:14] <rick_h> yea, definitely, but appeals so much to the builder in me
[17:14] <rick_h> 245687
[17:14] <rick_h> grrr, stupid thing
[17:15] <greg-g> building is great
[17:15] <greg-g> the startup mentality/ethic(or lack there-of) is toxic
[17:15] <greg-g> sorry, after moving to the mecca of startups, I can confirm all bad press
[17:15] <rick_h> ah, yea having never done/worked with that stuff I don't have experience for that stuff
[17:16] <rick_h> for me I just see people that have a passion for just building cool stuff and that's what I love.
[17:16] <rick_h> even my woodworking/etc is all about just making things
[17:16]  * greg-g is also in a bad mood re most investors that anything that smells like one he'll probably not like
[17:16] <rick_h> so I romanticize it I'm sure
[17:16] <greg-g> rick_h++
[17:16] <rick_h> lol: https://twitter.com/#!/rands/status/189400929173372928
[17:17] <greg-g> nice
[17:17] <jrwren> ~wait?
[17:17] <greg-g> glad I didn't install the app
[17:17] <jrwren> toxic?
[17:17] <jrwren> how are startups toxic?
[17:17] <greg-g> :) heh, I knew I would troll jrwren with that comment
[17:18] <greg-g> sorry, see the /me comment above
[17:18] <jrwren> ah.
[17:18] <jrwren> generalizations.
[17:18] <greg-g> yeah
[17:18] <jrwren> fair enough.
[17:18] <greg-g> generalizations+stereotypes+some first hand experience ;)
[17:19] <greg-g> I work in the same building as 500 Startups
[17:19] <greg-g> the group, luckily there aren't 500 startups here
[17:19] <greg-g> (also, did you know that 500 startups has only worked with ~200 startups? heh)
[17:19] <rick_h> lol, going to say that must be a big building or some small startups
[17:19] <jrwren> ha!
[17:19] <greg-g> one startup per child
[17:19] <jrwren> some startups are great.
[17:20] <greg-g> right, totally. startup just means 'burgeoning business' which can be anywhere on the good/bad ethical/unethical whatever/not-whatever spectrum
[17:20] <jrwren> yay!
[17:20] <greg-g> but, given certain inputs, certain outputs tend to come to pass
[17:20] <rick_h> yea, but I think a lot of people, especially outside certain circles automatically throw up some filters when they hear 'startup'
[17:21] <jrwren> sure.
[17:21] <jrwren> i hear "low paid"
[17:21] <greg-g> heh
[17:21] <greg-g> that's one of them :)
[17:21] <rick_h> long hours, some blinders on the head, and partially salely
[17:21] <rick_h> to start
[17:26] <snap-l> I think the big thing that drives me nuts about startups is this thought that every startup has to conform to this notion of 25 hour days, adrenaline-fueled binges, and no money for the promise of a big payout
[17:27] <rick_h> yea, I really respect what guys like the pinboard guys do. Gary Bernhardt as well. Setup something to earn a living.
[17:28] <snap-l> I would love to make something to earn a living off of
[17:28] <snap-l> unfortunately, outside of a lifestyle kickstarter, I'm not sure how to go about that. ;)
[17:29] <greg-g> help me fund my beer fridge
[17:29] <greg-g> help me buy a new mattress
[17:29] <snap-l> Help me stick it to the man
[17:29] <rick_h> lol
[17:30] <snap-l> for $100,000, I will tatoo your name on my ass.
[17:30] <jrwren> like SRT as a "startup" ?
[17:31] <rick_h> how do you cleaim that income lol
[17:31] <snap-l> rick_h: hobby
[17:31] <rick_h> "Ass defamation: $100,000"
[17:32] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I suppose, but it seems that in that kind of setup you're really dependant on the types of work/projects you can get your hands on
[17:32] <snap-l> Well, you could take the tattoo iteself off as a business expense.
[17:33] <rick_h> this is kind of crazy http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/09/right-before-acquisition-instagram-closed-50m-at-a-500m-valuation-from-sequoia-thrive-greylock-and-benchmark/
[17:33] <jrwren> rick_h: yes, you are VERY dependant.
[17:34] <jrwren> but it does have the "make a place we want to work" value
[17:34] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, definitely has potential to be really cool
[17:34] <jjesse> instagram worth $1 billion dollars or equal to purchasing 4 boeing 777's
[17:34] <rick_h> and seems that they've acomplished that there
[17:34] <rick_h> hah, well when you put it that way
[17:34] <jrwren> even that $500M valuation is nuts.
[17:34] <rick_h> actually, wasn't the new Giants/Jets stadium 1B to build?
[17:35] <rick_h> that's crazy
[17:35] <jrwren> wtf would you say flickr is worth?
[17:35] <jjesse> is it the community behind instagram or the app they are after?
[17:35] <snap-l> jrwren: To the people who host photos there, lots
[17:35] <greg-g> jjesse: community
[17:35] <snap-l> jrwren: To the people searching for photos there, lots
[17:35] <rick_h> I don't know, evidently I suck at these maths...I missed "hyperbolic valuations theory" when I was taking calc 3
[17:36] <greg-g> now a-days apps are a secondary thought, you can always throw 30 more devs at a problem. But community (ie: personal data to monetize with ads or sponsorshis or whatever the fuck) is where the money is
[17:36] <snap-l> jrwren: To everyone else who couldn't care less, nothing.
[17:37] <snap-l> greg-g: Which is fascinating to see the number of people looking to cancel their instagram accounts.
[17:37] <jrwren> i'm trying to find what yahoo paid for clikr
[17:37] <rick_h> well, facebook is a pretty binary ecosystem
[17:37] <jrwren> * paid for flickr
[17:37] <snap-l> but that's to be expected
[17:37] <greg-g> snap-l: they are? I doubt it'll be any sig percentage
[17:37] <snap-l> greg-g: I think it'll be 5-10%
[17:37] <snap-l> But I think Facebook just wants the community to be on Facebook
[17:38] <greg-g> facebook really seems like it is going to win the web war from google
[17:38] <rick_h> jrwren: Yahoo! acquired Ludicorp and Flickr in March 2005. The reported acquisition cost was $35 million
[17:38] <jrwren> lol.
[17:38] <rick_h> I have to agree with most people, I don't see how this buys anything for Facebook.
[17:38] <jrwren> I'd suggest that flickr then was more valuable than instagram is now.
[17:38] <rick_h> Facebook has more resources, more talent, more tech know how, more customers.
[17:38] <jrwren> but pros disagree with me :)
[17:39] <snap-l> jrwren: The mobile component is what's adding the crack-frosting to this cake
[17:39] <greg-g> jrwren: and now you see why the JOBS Act is dumb
[17:39]  * greg-g chuckles
[17:39] <jjesse> the mobile part is the key
[17:39] <snap-l> OMG, I CAN POST FROM MY PHONE?!?!?!?!
[17:39]  * greg-g is on a jrwren trolling party bus today
[17:40] <jrwren> greg-g: fuk no.
[17:40] <jrwren> jobs act means I could have got in on the double my money overnight action :)
[17:40] <jrwren> the flickr phone app is pretty good. maybe better than instagram.
[17:40] <snap-l> jrwren: I have a charity you can support
[17:40] <jrwren> but... but... trendy filters!
[17:40] <jcastro> Instagram! Powered by Ubuntu
[17:40] <greg-g> lol
[17:40] <snap-l> it's the Society for the prevention of the buying power of idiots.
[17:41] <snap-l> Just send us your donation, and we'll see that idiots everywhere won't be able to make stupid purchases.
[17:41] <snap-l> Ask your friends to make matching donations.
[17:42] <greg-g> it DOUBLES the effect of your contribution!
[17:42] <snap-l> absolutely.
[17:42] <rick_h> cool, found a local clarkston dev, node.js fanboi it appears, but still.
[17:42] <jrwren> snap-l: so your goal is the destruction of walmart?
[17:42] <greg-g> rick_h: ???
[17:43] <rick_h> greg-g: sorry, just surprised there are other real techy people in my local area.
[17:43] <snap-l> jrwren: If I could take in what walmart takes in, I'd be very happy.
[17:43] <snap-l> rick_h: It's not like you live in the boonies
[17:43] <rick_h> greg-g: especially condering all the driving I do to hang out with you techy folks :P
[17:43] <snap-l> you have an ice cream stand that isn't attached to a cow, for God's sake.
[17:43] <jrwren> snap-l: ha! hahahahah!
[17:43] <greg-g> rick_h: ah, thought you got inspired by instagram and hired a second bookie employee ;)
[17:43] <jrwren> cooks farm dairy!  nom nom nom
[17:44] <rick_h> greg-g: lmao, now you're talking
[17:44] <rick_h> jrwren: the local place started service cook's ice cream
[17:44] <snap-l> rick_h: There you go: put in an ad in Craigslist for a developer
[17:44] <rick_h> and then respond to it myself?
[17:44] <snap-l> "The internet is booming, and we need to grow our business"
[17:45] <snap-l> "looking for qualified rockstar developers to help take us to the next level"
[17:45] <snap-l> "Must be willing to swear your soul to the company. Pay is upwards of $8 an hour, commesurate with experience"
[17:46] <snap-l> dhh: Dude, it's so not like last time. Those were desktop eyeballs. Everyone knows they ain't worth shit. These are MOBILE eyeballs, PLAYA!
[17:48] <greg-g> they have a point that mobile eyeballs are worth more (more situated data, and easier access to your other data eg contacts)
[17:49] <greg-g> situated/contextualized
[17:49] <greg-g> you thought Google just wanted to make an "open source" alternative to iphone to be the "good guy"? :)
[17:49] <rick_h> https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/189409227767427072 lol
[17:50] <greg-g> nice
[17:50] <jrwren> <3 Gary
[17:57] <snap-l> @benhjacobs: Kodak goes bankrupt and Instagram is worth a billion dollars. 2012, y'all.
[17:58] <jrwren> fukin crazy.
[17:58] <jrwren> instagram doesn't even have a website.
[17:58] <jrwren> just the app.
[17:58] <jrwren> i've no idea where it even posts to.
[17:58] <jrwren> no WAY is it worth a billion
[17:58] <jrwren> this is insane.
[17:58] <snap-l> RT @hasanahmad: @jeffjarvis now all fb has to do is acquire tumblr and the hipster suicide watch will begin
[17:58] <snap-l> lol
[17:59] <greg-g> jrwren: that's the point (no web, just app) that way you control ALL data
[17:59] <greg-g> appifuckication
[17:59] <snap-l> greg-g: I value that answer at $500 internet bucks
[17:59] <greg-g> :)
[18:00] <brousch> instaram is worth so much because it runs on django
[18:00] <rick_h> clearly :P
[18:00] <brousch> and gunicorn
[18:01] <brousch> a good stack http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/13649370142/what-powers-instagram-hundreds-of-instances-dozens-of
[18:04] <snap-l> Also, now that INstagram is $1B, I look forward to Polaroid suing for trademark infringement
[18:08] <jrwren> how is that a good stack?
[18:08] <jrwren> some WEIRD choices there.
[18:08] <jrwren> I'm sure they had their reasons.
[18:09] <jrwren> not that I'm knocking the python/django/gunicorn choices.
[18:09] <brousch> what is weird?
[18:09] <rick_h> no, but 25 app servers and 12 db servers?
[18:09] <jrwren> EBS
[18:10] <jrwren> they complain about EBS spindles.
[18:10] <jrwren> why not just store images in S3 ?
[18:10] <jrwren> its literally for what S3 was made
[18:10] <rick_h> "The photos themselves go straight to Amazon S3"
[18:10] <jrwren> lol, i missed that then!
[18:10] <jrwren> sheeesh.
[18:11] <jrwren> reading fail.
[18:11] <jrwren> ty rick_h
[18:11] <rick_h> np, was just reading that line myself so had it handy :)
[18:11] <jrwren> in that case, its a damn shame to hear that their pg on ebs is so slow.
[18:11] <rick_h> well ebs disk is known to have issues
[18:11] <jrwren> because meta data for users and photos for only a few TB of photes should NOT be that much.
[18:12] <rick_h> there's a LOT of posts out there trying to hack on that
[18:14] <snap-l> Also, Microsoft apparently bought some Netscape patents
[18:14] <jrwren> from whom?
[18:14] <jrwren> from AOL?
[18:14] <snap-l> Yep
[18:15] <rick_h> yea, a whole "realizing the value of our patent portfolio" deal
[18:15] <brousch> $1billion dollars worth
[18:15] <rick_h> the articles coming out of that were nuts
[18:16] <snap-l> So, at what point does the bubble burst again?
[18:16] <jjesse> except AOL kept the Netscape URL and the Netscape ISP
[18:16] <jjesse> wtf Netscape ISP is i don't know but it is apparently out there
[18:17] <snap-l> I mean, we have patent portfolios that are essentially just a lot of hot air
[18:17] <snap-l> and companies who have a freemium business model
[18:17] <snap-l> Wondering if Groupon will be this generation's Pets.com
[18:17] <snap-l> s/generation/iteration/
[18:34] <brousch> linux-magazine makes me want to kick puppies
[18:34] <brousch> they always have a small, interesting abstract then you have to download a PDF for the full article
[18:35] <snap-l> brousch: And you have to subscribe too, if it's a more recent article.
[18:35] <brousch> YOU BETTER RUN, PUPPIES
[18:42] <rick_h> grrrr.."to cancel please call out special number...and wait on hold forever!! bwuhahaha!"
[18:44] <snap-l> rick_h: What are you canceling?
[18:44] <rick_h> broadvoice
[18:45] <rick_h> we never use the land line phones at all, just give verizon our $$ and skip this fake land line
[18:46] <snap-l> rick_h: Ah, lovely.
[18:47] <rick_h> damn! 15min hold, say I want to cancel...and transferred back on hold
[18:47] <snap-l> My only worry with that is having all lines of communicaion cut in an emergency
[18:48] <snap-l> says the man with a VOIP service that goes AWOL when the power is cut.
[18:48] <rick_h> yea, but I can google voice through my laptop the same as this broadvoice voip setup
[18:48] <rick_h> and I have my stuff on battery backup for some of that
[18:49] <snap-l> Yeah, same here
[18:49] <rick_h> the only thing was the nice ability to put phones across the house and for the wife doing call to not have to keep around her cell phone
[18:49] <rick_h> but she's gotten to where she never uses the 'land' line so done with it
[18:49] <snap-l> Yeah, we use our land line a lot
[18:50] <snap-l> our cell phones are essentially messaging terminals
[18:50] <rick_h> when the route went boom I left it un hoooked up, think that was 3mo ago
[18:50] <snap-l> and for mobile.
[18:50] <rick_h> heh yea, even my MIL is texting
[18:50] <snap-l> My parents are luddites
[18:50] <snap-l> My dad's phone doesn't accept texts, I learned this weekend.
[18:50] <rick_h> orly, wow
[18:52] <snap-l> ANd my mom could probably well served with a brick
[18:52] <snap-l> so she could threaten someone to use their cell phone in case of an emergency.
[18:56] <jrwren> you could always get a google voice account and hook that up to your land line.
[18:56] <jrwren> for the cost of a ATA
[18:58] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, end of the day, we use our cells for everything so not a lot of point other than to let the boy play with the land line phones
[18:58] <rick_h> he loves that
[18:58] <jrwren> *nod*
[18:58] <jrwren> i'm still paying $17/mo for vonage for no good reason.
[18:59] <brousch> we dumped landline 18 months ago
[18:59] <brousch> haven't had any problems
[19:00] <jrwren> the nice thing about a land line is that it will potentially keep working in a MAJOR power outage.
[19:00] <jrwren> like the aug 2001 blackout.
[19:00] <jrwren> was that 2001?
[19:00] <jrwren> err, 2033
[19:01] <brousch> well you still have 911 service on your landline
[19:01] <jrwren> i don't think even a 1500VA UPS will last for 3-4 days powering a router, cable modem and ATA
[19:01] <rick_h> no, you're in generator area there
[19:01] <jrwren> brousch: you might. My wires aren't wired to ATT in my walls
[19:02] <jrwren> i should run some tests and see just how long a UPS can power the cable modem router and ATA
[19:02] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, that was the only thing that was working
[19:06] <jrwren> just thinking about the 2k3 blackout makes me want to eat icecream.
[19:06] <jrwren> had to clear out the freezer :)
[19:30] <snap-l> http://twitpic.com/97ub0z
[19:32] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czZr2e-pl0 <- Neurotech's latest EP
[19:35] <brousch> that is so 2 hours ago
[19:36] <snap-l> which?
[19:37] <brousch> neeeurotech
[19:47] <snap-l> brousch: You're on their mailing list, aren't you? :)
[19:48] <brousch> of course
[19:55] <snap-l> http://askubuntu.com/a/101634/1614 <- This is very useful information
[19:55] <snap-l> I give the poster $500 internet bucks
[19:58] <brousch> heh. it is silly how often people ask that
[19:58] <brousch> i think 3/4 of my reputation points are from similar questions
[20:02] <snap-l> http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/04/09/computer-legend-and-gaming-pioneer-jack-tramiel-dies-at-age-83/
[21:12] <rick_h> geeze, this freaking nas has a 'desktop'
[21:16] <greg-g> lol
[21:30] <waldo323_> the Penguicon schedule is available http://penguicon2012.sched.org/ it is still a work in progress and there is still time for some additions as well
[21:31] <waldo323_> they/we are looking for feedback so we can solve issues before it goes to print
[22:23] <rick_h> so pushing 4-5MB/s across gigabit so far in rsync backup