[00:06] Whew. [00:06] Holiday is over [00:07] now it's time to think about going to work tomorrow [00:07] (sigh) [00:08] yea, ugh [01:09] rick_h: what'd you put on heroku? [01:10] brousch: http://readable.bmark.us/ [01:11] doing pretty well, tested with seige to get aroud 27req/s with the async url fetcher [01:11] considering I'm doing another http call and I'm limited to the upstream server it works cool [01:11] so you broke out the parser into its own app? [01:13] brousch: yea, so in order to scale it out I thought it'd be cool to make it its own app and just have bookie call it when it does backgroud processing/etc [01:14] plus it gives me something to tinker with heroky with, it's very limited in scope, and doing it with tornado/async to play with that as well [01:14] should help reduce some code overhead in bookie, make this potentially useful [01:15] I can do a bookmark that just feeds the current url to the /view/ call and you can get readable text without bookmarking [01:15] and running on one heroku instance is free, so you could very quickly setup your own vs the bookie install [01:15] anyway, something to tinker with, having fun with new stuff [01:18] nice [11:05] morning [11:05] for those of you that need more books: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/603/ [11:36] Good morning [11:36] rick_h: NOOOOOOOOOO [11:42] snap-l: I never loaded the page, I don't want to look lol [11:52] This sounds like Penguicon to me http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/04/09/hermetically-yours [11:53] hah [11:53] Or just about every conference [11:53] "Hi, it's a pleaseure to meet you. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go fumigate my hand in Purell"/ [12:50] this is crazy http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1760499 [12:50] you need to do all of that crap just to run your own code on your own ipad? [13:07] Remind me to blokc informit at the router level as well [13:07] Man, but they have the worst articles. [13:08] lol [13:09] ALmost as bad as PC MAgazine [13:09] Any time I read some BS half-researched article, it's usually from infoworld, informit, or PC magazine [13:10] That said, Doug Hellman and WEsley Chun are the exceptions [13:31] i am feeling more dense than usual this morning [13:32] how do i put my ~/.vimrc and ~/.vim in a repo on gihub? do i have to git init my ~ dir? [13:32] so I check my stuff out to ~/configs [13:32] and have an install.py that symlinks it to ~ [13:33] ah, so you put it in a separate dir and symlink to where it belongs [13:33] I have a .git directory in my .vim directory [13:33] snap-l: but that wouldn't get .vimrc [13:33] which has vimrc and gvimrc in there with a link to ~/.vimrc and .gvimrc [13:33] brousch: yea, and it let me keep all my dotfiles/ssh files/vim in one place for updating/etc [13:34] hm [13:34] brousch: https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim [13:34] rick_h: Yeah, and you put .zshrc and other foo in there. [13:34] https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/install.py [13:35] ACtually, I'm surprised you don't have .zshrc in configs [13:35] geez [13:36] wow, that's just for vim? [13:41] yea, I've got the same setup for git reops for email config, dotfiles, vim, ssh, and ~/bin [13:41] so it's a bit copy/paste [13:41] brousch: but that's installing all my pathogen bundles as well [13:42] snap-l: don't you want to go scripting tmux now? :) [13:43] i think this will work [13:43] put the vim stuff in ~/configs/vim and have a simple install.sh to symlink where they belong [13:43] i have to admit, i'm not sure that I like that solution, but I've not come up with anything better :( [13:44] yea, I like it well enough [13:44] thanks [13:45] but yea, I've got a bunch of repos since my vim is published it can't have anything private in it [13:45] my ssh is it's own config so that the private keys only get installed on my main system, etc [13:45] not all my systems need to do email, so no sense having my email acct passwords on every machine [13:45] you put private keys on github? [13:45] no, I don't [13:45] ah, i see. [13:45] that's why I have 5 different repos in ~/configs [13:46] rick_h: Oh yeah [13:46] It's the only reason I considered making a configs directory. :) [13:46] rick_h: making any progress on moving all the bzr stuff to git there? :p [13:47] jrwren: heh, I wish...not a bzr fan [13:47] brousch: and then you start to get stuff like: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/604/ :) [13:48] wow [13:48] i suppose that has its own repo too [13:49] there's more to that: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/605/ [13:49] brousch: yea, a new repo called 'install' [13:49] rick_h: where do you keep all these repos? [13:49] brousch: so yea, the idea is to git clone install from my local server, and then it runs the rest of the install steps via make commands there [13:50] brousch: public ones are on github, one private one is on github, and a couple others are copied on a local machine and a backup remote machine so I've got two copies [13:51] gits is a alias for one of my local machines basically [13:51] i'll probably put it in a bitbucket private repo [13:51] this is 3 installs (so 1.5yr?) in the making. Each install I automate/document a little more and a little more [13:52] this last install took really just over an hour to get most things back up [13:52] most of that downloading things :) [13:56] is that setting up awesome or unity? [13:56] well it installs awesome and my dotfiles has my awesome config in it [13:57] but you choose what to log into at boot time [13:57] so I can logout/in to unity any time [13:57] nice [13:58] what's with using make instead of bash? [13:58] or zsh [13:59] so make uses bash [13:59] it's using shell commands to perform the steps [13:59] the nice thing is I can rerun parts [13:59] so when I install a package, to make sure my install keeps up to date, I add it to my makefile command and rerun that [14:00] and you get deps, so when I make configs, the ~/configs directory is auto created as a dep [14:00] that kind of stuff [14:02] can't you SHELL=/usr/bin/zsh at the top of your make file? :) [14:02] yea, but not doing anything that really needs it [14:10] woohoo, it works! [14:11] yay [14:18] i think today I'll go to precise. [14:18] update-manager -d here I come. [14:18] i'll do it remote even. [14:18] that is how confident I am. [14:18] party! [14:18] s/update-manager/do-release-upgrade/ [14:19] jrwren: that's because you do your work on a different machine [14:19] *its working* [14:19] brousch: um, yes and no. [14:19] said machine runs a lot of "production" services for me. [14:19] e.g. if it is down, i hear about it from my wife pretty quickly. [15:00] <_stink_> anyone use this badboy? http://mosh.mit.edu/ [15:00] I hate bzr...damn thing... [15:00] _stink_: nope, never heard of it [15:01] <_stink_> do i win a prize for hearing about something terminaly before rick_h? [15:02] you should. [15:03] <_stink_> o/ [15:03] _stink_: you can have a bookie badge at penguicon if you're there :P [15:05] <_stink_> yay! [15:07] I'm curious what the protocol they use is [15:07] apparently I fail at scrolling [15:08] So, you have to expose the server in order to connect to it. Not sure I trust that. [15:09] * snap-l loves his SSH tunnels [15:11] i love snap-l's ssh tunnels too [15:11] always love it when people don't know vim so they write their own crap for it http://vimbits.com/bits/351 [15:12] a replacement for ssh? this does not sound good. [15:12] * brousch has no interest in snap-l's love tunnels [15:12] jrwren: It's not quite as bad as it first appears [15:12] lol @ local echo as a selling point. [15:12] but it looks like you lose key auth [15:13] it certainly looks interesting [15:14] bwuhahaha beat into submission! http://ramblings.timgolden.me.uk/2012/04/09/pep8-it-is-then/ [15:15] nice to know that the energy trail mix I was eating that has soybeans and other nuts "Contains: Soy, Nuts" [15:15] I'd be downright pissed if it didn't. [15:16] TIL: bash supports loadable builtins [15:16] http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashLoadable [15:17] rick_h: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024057.do?sortby=publicationDate [15:17] snap-l: cool [15:18] but honestly, I've not run across much where I'd need the stuff. [15:18] Me either, but that doesn't keep my "buy it now" finger from itching. [15:19] heh, I'm starting to lose the trigger... [15:19] * rick_h hides the Go and Ruby books he recently picke dup on whims [15:19] rick_h: *coughbullshitcough* [15:19] need to get those meds going snap-l :) [15:19] I am running out of light reading stuff. I like to read a bit before bed and getting tough [15:19] so I just start up more code projects :P [15:20] hey, I picked up that tornado book and now using tornado on readable.bmark.us :P [15:20] * snap-l wonders what a 5 * book is for rick_h [15:20] snap-l: you know my wife's rule :P [15:20] "rick_h isn't picky...he's just easily displeased" [15:21] I don't give perfect ratings unless I'm blown away [15:21] it makes review season at work hard [15:22] brousch: have you scaled anything on heroku? Used multi workers? [15:22] no [15:22] i only have grpug on there, and it is tiny [15:22] k [15:43] rick_h: as usual, you are on the cutting edge [15:44] brousch: well just curious more than anything how it works for scaling out. Just launches more instances of your app/proxies I'd imagine [15:44] I'll write up a bunch of test urls and try siege at it [15:45] i am weak and resort to GAE for scale [15:46] yea, don't need to scale out much at the moment, but it seems interesting that I might be able to runa heroku command to fire up 3 more dynos, run my background cron job, and then shut them down again [15:47] to help scale out the readable processing backend [15:47] it's a bit more appealing than setting up multiple/larger ec2 instances [15:47] even with juju? [15:48] hmm, interesting thought. The issue I have with juju is I need to fire up more boxes [15:49] one to run juju on, one for each app [15:49] I guess with this app it's just n+1 [15:50] well i assume whatever machine is requesting the readable version would fire up the instances/turn on moar dynos [15:51] yea, since it's a cron job the idea is just that scale up, process cron job, go back down to free tier [15:51] I guess it needs the heroku tools and my ssh key in order to do that [15:51] ah, i was thinking it was a queue [15:52] seems reasonable though [15:52] anyway, stuff to tinker with [15:52] Fuck [15:52] fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck [15:52] http://www.npr.org/2012/04/09/150281080/at-t-lets-go-of-shrinking-yellow-pages-business [15:53] ? [15:53] because att is awesome? [15:53] I hope this doesn't include the White Pages [15:54] because if it does, I hope that the FTC steps in to ensure that Cerberus doesn't start marketing the hell out of that data. [15:54] I wonder if I'm even in the white pages [15:54] bah, switch to mobile [15:54] I know I am [15:54] my phone number is listed as a FAX number. [15:55] WOW gave me the option, so I took it. ;) [15:55] ahahaha [15:56] Also, for those playing at home, Cerberus was the company that purchased Chrysler from Daimler [15:56] lol https://twitter.com/#!/davidsiegel/status/189380898695811074 [15:56] and ended selling Chrysler to Fiat [15:57] rick_h: I think that's the 5th or 6th sign of the apocalypse [15:57] yea, they're coming in big batches lately [15:57] well, it is 2012 [16:43] is there a way to get apt to allow me to merge changes between changed configuration files? [16:43] e.g. my php.ini file has changed. I want to merge the changes that apt is suggesting. [16:43] not overwrite [16:44] s/apt/dpkg/ [16:44] jrwren: I thought there was an option for that [16:44] ie: if it's possible, it'll offer it [16:44] https://gist.github.com/2344650 you can see a diff [16:44] but usually I just obliterate the config with whatever the package maintainer had, and apply afterward [16:44] but you cannot merge [16:45] i'll keep local and look at the .dpkg-suggested later [16:49] I <3 how this spam uses a news article to trick the bayes filters. [16:51] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-04/groupon-ipo-scandal-is-the-sleaze-that-s-legal.html [16:55] heh, groupon has struck me as just a unsavory company from day one [16:56] YEah, they're like Entertainment Books [17:02] I keep trying to convince Carrie that Groupon/Livingsocial are not worth our time, but she keeps vetoing me [17:03] thankfully my wife hasn't found/messed with them yet [17:04] I can't believe I'm being vetoed after the shenanigans Groupon pulled, and the fact that we have at least two that we'll never use because we bought them pre-baby [17:08] JoDee looked at them, but frankly there were only a handful that seemed interesting [17:09] and all of them felt like a deal with the devil [17:09] (Groupon, not Living Social) [17:10] And the 6th seal breaks: http://allthingsd.com/20120409/breaking-facebook-to-acquire-instagram-for-1-billion/?mod=tweet [17:11] holy crap... [17:11] can you freaking imagine? 2yrs of work, and sure, work your @#$#@ off, but 2yrs of work and bought out for that kind of $$? [17:12] rick_h: STOP TALKING AND START WORKING ON BOOKIE [17:12] no kidding, not that it'd ever be a freaking billion dollar anything [17:12] Shush [17:12] but hell, I'd just like to earn a living hacking on stuff I want to hack on [17:12] I'm sure Yahoo will be back in the market for a bookmarking application [17:12] lmao [17:13] geeze...that's crushing. [17:13] I should stop reading these startup books and such. [17:13] startups are toxic [17:14] yea, definitely, but appeals so much to the builder in me [17:14] 245687 [17:14] grrr, stupid thing [17:15] building is great [17:15] the startup mentality/ethic(or lack there-of) is toxic [17:15] sorry, after moving to the mecca of startups, I can confirm all bad press [17:15] ah, yea having never done/worked with that stuff I don't have experience for that stuff [17:16] for me I just see people that have a passion for just building cool stuff and that's what I love. [17:16] even my woodworking/etc is all about just making things [17:16] * greg-g is also in a bad mood re most investors that anything that smells like one he'll probably not like [17:16] so I romanticize it I'm sure [17:16] rick_h++ [17:16] lol: https://twitter.com/#!/rands/status/189400929173372928 [17:17] nice [17:17] ~wait? [17:17] glad I didn't install the app [17:17] toxic? [17:17] how are startups toxic? [17:17] :) heh, I knew I would troll jrwren with that comment [17:18] sorry, see the /me comment above [17:18] ah. [17:18] generalizations. [17:18] yeah [17:18] fair enough. [17:18] generalizations+stereotypes+some first hand experience ;) [17:19] I work in the same building as 500 Startups [17:19] the group, luckily there aren't 500 startups here [17:19] (also, did you know that 500 startups has only worked with ~200 startups? heh) [17:19] lol, going to say that must be a big building or some small startups [17:19] ha! [17:19] one startup per child [17:19] some startups are great. [17:20] right, totally. startup just means 'burgeoning business' which can be anywhere on the good/bad ethical/unethical whatever/not-whatever spectrum [17:20] yay! [17:20] but, given certain inputs, certain outputs tend to come to pass [17:20] yea, but I think a lot of people, especially outside certain circles automatically throw up some filters when they hear 'startup' [17:21] sure. [17:21] i hear "low paid" [17:21] heh [17:21] that's one of them :) [17:21] long hours, some blinders on the head, and partially salely [17:21] to start [17:26] I think the big thing that drives me nuts about startups is this thought that every startup has to conform to this notion of 25 hour days, adrenaline-fueled binges, and no money for the promise of a big payout [17:27] yea, I really respect what guys like the pinboard guys do. Gary Bernhardt as well. Setup something to earn a living. [17:28] I would love to make something to earn a living off of [17:28] unfortunately, outside of a lifestyle kickstarter, I'm not sure how to go about that. ;) [17:29] help me fund my beer fridge [17:29] help me buy a new mattress [17:29] Help me stick it to the man [17:29] lol [17:30] for $100,000, I will tatoo your name on my ass. [17:30] like SRT as a "startup" ? [17:31] how do you cleaim that income lol [17:31] rick_h: hobby [17:31] "Ass defamation: $100,000" [17:32] jrwren: yea, I suppose, but it seems that in that kind of setup you're really dependant on the types of work/projects you can get your hands on [17:32] Well, you could take the tattoo iteself off as a business expense. [17:33] this is kind of crazy http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/09/right-before-acquisition-instagram-closed-50m-at-a-500m-valuation-from-sequoia-thrive-greylock-and-benchmark/ [17:33] rick_h: yes, you are VERY dependant. [17:34] but it does have the "make a place we want to work" value [17:34] jrwren: yea, definitely has potential to be really cool [17:34] instagram worth $1 billion dollars or equal to purchasing 4 boeing 777's [17:34] and seems that they've acomplished that there [17:34] hah, well when you put it that way [17:34] even that $500M valuation is nuts. [17:34] actually, wasn't the new Giants/Jets stadium 1B to build? [17:35] that's crazy [17:35] wtf would you say flickr is worth? [17:35] is it the community behind instagram or the app they are after? [17:35] jrwren: To the people who host photos there, lots [17:35] jjesse: community [17:35] jrwren: To the people searching for photos there, lots [17:35] I don't know, evidently I suck at these maths...I missed "hyperbolic valuations theory" when I was taking calc 3 [17:36] now a-days apps are a secondary thought, you can always throw 30 more devs at a problem. But community (ie: personal data to monetize with ads or sponsorshis or whatever the fuck) is where the money is [17:36] jrwren: To everyone else who couldn't care less, nothing. [17:37] greg-g: Which is fascinating to see the number of people looking to cancel their instagram accounts. [17:37] i'm trying to find what yahoo paid for clikr [17:37] well, facebook is a pretty binary ecosystem [17:37] * paid for flickr [17:37] but that's to be expected [17:37] snap-l: they are? I doubt it'll be any sig percentage [17:37] greg-g: I think it'll be 5-10% [17:37] But I think Facebook just wants the community to be on Facebook [17:38] facebook really seems like it is going to win the web war from google [17:38] jrwren: Yahoo! acquired Ludicorp and Flickr in March 2005. The reported acquisition cost was $35 million [17:38] lol. [17:38] I have to agree with most people, I don't see how this buys anything for Facebook. [17:38] I'd suggest that flickr then was more valuable than instagram is now. [17:38] Facebook has more resources, more talent, more tech know how, more customers. [17:38] but pros disagree with me :) [17:39] jrwren: The mobile component is what's adding the crack-frosting to this cake [17:39] jrwren: and now you see why the JOBS Act is dumb [17:39] * greg-g chuckles [17:39] the mobile part is the key [17:39] OMG, I CAN POST FROM MY PHONE?!?!?!?! [17:39] * greg-g is on a jrwren trolling party bus today [17:40] greg-g: fuk no. [17:40] jobs act means I could have got in on the double my money overnight action :) [17:40] the flickr phone app is pretty good. maybe better than instagram. [17:40] jrwren: I have a charity you can support [17:40] but... but... trendy filters! [17:40] Instagram! Powered by Ubuntu [17:40] lol [17:40] it's the Society for the prevention of the buying power of idiots. [17:41] Just send us your donation, and we'll see that idiots everywhere won't be able to make stupid purchases. [17:41] Ask your friends to make matching donations. [17:42] it DOUBLES the effect of your contribution! [17:42] absolutely. [17:42] cool, found a local clarkston dev, node.js fanboi it appears, but still. [17:42] snap-l: so your goal is the destruction of walmart? [17:42] rick_h: ??? [17:43] greg-g: sorry, just surprised there are other real techy people in my local area. [17:43] jrwren: If I could take in what walmart takes in, I'd be very happy. [17:43] rick_h: It's not like you live in the boonies [17:43] greg-g: especially condering all the driving I do to hang out with you techy folks :P [17:43] you have an ice cream stand that isn't attached to a cow, for God's sake. [17:43] snap-l: ha! hahahahah! [17:43] rick_h: ah, thought you got inspired by instagram and hired a second bookie employee ;) [17:43] cooks farm dairy! nom nom nom [17:44] greg-g: lmao, now you're talking [17:44] jrwren: the local place started service cook's ice cream [17:44] rick_h: There you go: put in an ad in Craigslist for a developer [17:44] and then respond to it myself? [17:44] "The internet is booming, and we need to grow our business" [17:45] "looking for qualified rockstar developers to help take us to the next level" [17:45] "Must be willing to swear your soul to the company. Pay is upwards of $8 an hour, commesurate with experience" [17:46] dhh: Dude, it's so not like last time. Those were desktop eyeballs. Everyone knows they ain't worth shit. These are MOBILE eyeballs, PLAYA! [17:48] they have a point that mobile eyeballs are worth more (more situated data, and easier access to your other data eg contacts) [17:49] situated/contextualized [17:49] you thought Google just wanted to make an "open source" alternative to iphone to be the "good guy"? :) [17:49] https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/189409227767427072 lol [17:50] nice [17:50] <3 Gary [17:57] @benhjacobs: Kodak goes bankrupt and Instagram is worth a billion dollars. 2012, y'all. [17:58] fukin crazy. [17:58] instagram doesn't even have a website. [17:58] just the app. [17:58] i've no idea where it even posts to. [17:58] no WAY is it worth a billion [17:58] this is insane. [17:58] RT @hasanahmad: @jeffjarvis now all fb has to do is acquire tumblr and the hipster suicide watch will begin [17:58] lol [17:59] jrwren: that's the point (no web, just app) that way you control ALL data [17:59] appifuckication [17:59] greg-g: I value that answer at $500 internet bucks [17:59] :) [18:00] instaram is worth so much because it runs on django [18:00] clearly :P [18:00] and gunicorn [18:01] a good stack http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/13649370142/what-powers-instagram-hundreds-of-instances-dozens-of [18:04] Also, now that INstagram is $1B, I look forward to Polaroid suing for trademark infringement [18:08] how is that a good stack? [18:08] some WEIRD choices there. [18:08] I'm sure they had their reasons. [18:09] not that I'm knocking the python/django/gunicorn choices. [18:09] what is weird? [18:09] no, but 25 app servers and 12 db servers? [18:09] EBS [18:10] they complain about EBS spindles. [18:10] why not just store images in S3 ? [18:10] its literally for what S3 was made [18:10] "The photos themselves go straight to Amazon S3" [18:10] lol, i missed that then! [18:10] sheeesh. [18:11] reading fail. [18:11] ty rick_h [18:11] np, was just reading that line myself so had it handy :) [18:11] in that case, its a damn shame to hear that their pg on ebs is so slow. [18:11] well ebs disk is known to have issues [18:11] because meta data for users and photos for only a few TB of photes should NOT be that much. [18:12] there's a LOT of posts out there trying to hack on that [18:14] Also, Microsoft apparently bought some Netscape patents [18:14] from whom? [18:14] from AOL? [18:14] Yep [18:15] yea, a whole "realizing the value of our patent portfolio" deal [18:15] $1billion dollars worth [18:15] the articles coming out of that were nuts [18:16] So, at what point does the bubble burst again? [18:16] except AOL kept the Netscape URL and the Netscape ISP [18:16] wtf Netscape ISP is i don't know but it is apparently out there [18:17] I mean, we have patent portfolios that are essentially just a lot of hot air [18:17] and companies who have a freemium business model [18:17] Wondering if Groupon will be this generation's Pets.com [18:17] s/generation/iteration/ [18:34] linux-magazine makes me want to kick puppies [18:34] they always have a small, interesting abstract then you have to download a PDF for the full article [18:35]