[00:00] <BarkingFish> /server irc.whatever.net:6667
[00:00] <BarkingFish> aha :P
[00:00] <BarkingFish> i like
[00:02] <mouth1> no one knows how change the default color in 12.04?
[00:03] <mouth1> before you could go to appeaerance and change the color there
[00:04] <kjs> sup
[00:05] <kjs> is it a holiday today in USA?
[00:12] <Tynach> Hey, I'm just curious - since Oracle Linux 2 is out, and it supposedly has a stable btrfs fsck (with a --repair option) utility, will this be in Ubuntu 12.04?
[00:13] <SUPREMEBEING> pangolin - your network selection method didn't work
[00:13] <pangolin> you do need to use an actual irc network name
[00:14] <SUPREMEBEING> i feel like a virgin - i haven't used irc for like 7 years
[00:15] <SUPREMEBEING> and before that i only used it on and off for 2 years lol
[00:15] <Tynach> Virgin isn't the right word. Newbie is.
[00:15] <SUPREMEBEING> yeah, virgin sounds more inappropriate
[00:15] <Tynach> Well, a virgin would have never been to IRC before, and would not be on IRC now.
[00:16] <SUPREMEBEING> lol
[00:16] <Tynach> A virgin would be, before you go on IRC to begin with.
[00:16] <SUPREMEBEING> Well I was a raped virgin
[00:16] <Tynach> No :P
[00:16] <SUPREMEBEING> I didn't need IRC 7 years ago - but then my friend was on it and raped me into it lol
[00:16] <SUPREMEBEING> ok i think i should stop now
[00:17] <SUPREMEBEING> can someone help me connect to a network which is  called irc.esylumirc.com
[00:17] <pangolin> ok, so can we please keep to the topic of Ubuntu and avoid sexual comparisons
[00:18] <pangolin> SUPREMEBEING, /server irc.esylumirc.com
[00:18] <SUPREMEBEING> doesn't work pangolin
[00:18] <pangolin> then you got the wrong link
[00:18] <BarkingFish> what error do you get, SUPREMEBEING?
[00:18] <Tynach> Does anyone know the answer to my question?
[00:19] <popey> Tynach: it wont
[00:19] <BarkingFish> Tynach, be patient, young padawan :)  If someone knows the answer, they'll answer :)
[00:19] <pangolin> works fine here. try /server 72.20.28.197
[00:19] <popey> Tynach: well, most likely won't ☺
[00:20] <pangolin> there ya go
[00:20] <Tynach> popey, why won't it? The tool is available, and isn't 12.04 using Linux 3.3?
[00:21] <popey> no
[00:21] <popey> Tynach: 3.2
[00:21] <popey> so someone would need to backport that to 3.2 and it would need testing
[00:23] <popey> Tynach: as I understand it when 12.10 comes out, the kernel it uses will be usable on 12.04, and same goes for 13.04 kernel
[00:23] <popey> so once 3.3 is tested well and is delivered in 12.10, we can use it in 12.04
[00:24] <Tynach> Well, I do know that btrfs-progs (or btrfs-utils, forget which) isn't actually part of the kernel.
[00:24] <Tynach> So someone could give the fsck utility without having a newer kernel.
[00:24] <popey> sure
[00:24] <popey> but the new stuff requires the new kernel AIUI
[00:24] <Tynach> Oracle Linux 2 (with the fsck utility) uses 3.0 still.
[00:24] <Daekdroom> 3.3 is available already
[00:24] <Daekdroom> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:25] <popey> Daekdroom: sure, but we were talking about what 12.04 ships with
[00:25] <Daekdroom> But I'm talking about it being usable.
[00:25] <popey> nobody said it wasnt
[00:25] <Daekdroom> Nothing special will happen when Q-series starts using it.
[00:25] <Tynach> Yes, but Oracle is using it on 3.0, so it shouldn't matter. We should be able to get btrfs fsck with a 3.1 and 3.2 kernel.
[00:27] <mouth1> can i use any GTK 3 theme in 12.04 unity 3d?
[00:28] <Tynach> Unity in 12.04 uses GTK3, so I don't see why not, mouth1.
[00:28] <mouth1> ok
[00:28] <mouth1> thanks
[00:28] <Daekdroom> mouth1, some themes are not tweaked for working with Unity, however.
[00:28] <Daekdroom> and won't look very good.
[00:28] <Daekdroom> For example, the panel close/minimize/maximize buttons.
[00:28] <mouth1> is there a source for themes for ubuntu?
[00:29] <Tynach> But hey, you can still use them.
[00:29] <mouth1> http://ubuntu-art.org/
[00:29] <Gremlyn> anyone else noticing their laptop fan running WAY more than it used to on 12.04?
[00:29] <mouth1> is that a good source?
[00:29] <Tynach> mouth1, you can try going to gnome-look.org (or something like that) and look at the comments and what people think of different themes.
[00:30] <mouth1> http://ubuntu-art.org/ isn't good
[00:30] <mouth1> it's GTK 2 only :(
[00:34] <Gremlyn> I do basically ANYTHING and suddenly my fan ramps up and sounds like it's going to take off
[00:34] <Gremlyn> hp/amd laptop
[00:39] <Gremlyn> it was definitely not like this under 10.04
[00:51] <Gremlyn> unplugged the laptop and it seems to not be doing it anymore
[01:03] <len> Gremlyn, Why not just switch to some other desktop other than Unity?  I'm sure your fan would run far less often/at lower speed with lxde, for example.  lxde is really light on resource usage.
[01:04] <Gremlyn> definitely related to being plugged in, I did a bunch of 'compiz --replace' in a row while unplugged, and the fan stayed normal
[01:04] <Gremlyn> as soon as I plugged it in, I ran it twice, and the fan ramped up
[01:05] <Gremlyn> len, not a bad idea, suggestions on what to switch to>
[01:05] <Gremlyn> maybe unity 2D?
[01:05] <Gremlyn> gnome 3?
[01:06] <len> That's probably just because you notebook steps down the cpu speed, dims the screen, and other things to conserve resources when it is on battery.
[01:06] <len> Why not just install the lubuntu desktop?
[01:07] <Gremlyn> I checked all the settings I could find and set them level for being plugged in/being on battery
[01:07] <Gremlyn> no experience with lubuntu
[01:08] <Gremlyn> how lightweight is it? I use this laptop for my main work computer
[01:08] <len> You don't need to reinstall lubuntu, just add it as a desktop, and then choose it instead of unity when you log in.
[01:09] <Gremlyn> oh yeah?
[01:10] <len> Yeah, it's part of the buntu family.  If you have questions you can also check the lubuntu irc channel.  They are friendly over there.
[01:10] <Gremlyn> like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install_Lubuntu_from_Ubuntu_or_any_Ubuntu_flavors ?
[01:11] <len> I put lubuntu on a couple of really, really old machines and it still ran well.
[01:12] <len> Oldest one was an ancient 266Mhz, 128MB notebook.  I couldn't believe it actually ran ok.
[01:12] <Gremlyn> wow, nice
[01:13] <Gremlyn> this laptop shouldn't be that bad off, only a couple of years ld
[01:13] <Gremlyn> old
[01:13] <len> Definately check out the lubuntu channel
[01:13] <Gremlyn> will do, thanks
[01:15] <snadge> so lubuntu is more efficient than xubuntu?
[01:16] <snadge> good luck trying to run something like firefox though ;)
[01:17] <len> snadge,  Yes.  xubuntu runs xfce, which is a kind of a "medium weight" de.  lubuntu runs lxde, which is a very light weight de.
[01:20] <len> You can tweak xfce to get the resource usage pretty low though, just not as low as lxde.
[01:22] <len> I think that out of the box, xubuntu runs more daemons by default than most other xfce distros, but you disable the daemons you don't really need to get it on par with other xfce-based distros.
[01:23] <len> As far as firefox goes, they've been working hard in recent versions to get thier memory footprint down, and clean up after themselves.
[01:24] <micahg> yep, starting with Firefox 13, the memory footprint is much lower on restored sessions
[01:27] <len> micahg, I switched back to ff13 from chrome just for that reason.  Now, if you keep lots and lots of tabs open, ff can use only half as much RAM as Chrome.
[01:36] <atpa8a> hmm
[01:36] <atpa8a> how can i figure out ubuntu release from /etc?..
[01:37] <micahg> atpa8a: cat /etc/lsb-release
[01:38] <atpa8a> no such file... and /etc/lsb-base/ is empty
[01:43] <jbicha> atpa8a: if it's Ubuntu you could look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:49] <pangolin> or just run lsb_release -a
[02:01] <Lawndart> I just have a general question about the beta release of 12.04, if I install the beta will I have to download it again once the final release is available, or can the beta be upgraded to final version online just by updating it? TIA.
[02:01] <yofel> !final | Lawndart
[02:02] <Lawndart> Thanks! I kind of thought that it was going to work that way.
[02:06] <snadge> when the released version comes out.. your beta will automatically downgrage to the original release of ubuntu 4.10, warty warhog ;)
[02:06] <snadge> or it will just stop booting and say.. sorry, you cannot use ubuntu anymore.. please reinstall from scratch.. formatting everything now for you
[02:07] <mkultra_> i have my shit setup to install from scratch to a os drive
[02:07] <mkultra_> err i mean stuff
[02:08] <mkultra_> i have a flash drive for emergencies too
[02:09] <mkultra_> but yeah update ur linux man, kernel 3's out
[02:10] <dustinspringman> greetings, i've installed 12.04, running very well.. however, I am trying to install the package: gnome-shell-extensions-user-theme, it fails with the following: The following packages have unmet dependencies...gnome-shell-extensions-user-theme : Depends: gnome-shell-extensions-common but it is not going to be installed... E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | is this because I've on the beta and 
[02:11] <bretzel> Hello, I have the same question as dustinspringman :-)
[02:11] <dustinspringman> lol.. glad to see I'm not alone..
[02:11] <bretzel> :-)
[02:11] <trism> dustinspringman: how did you install the package? (it is not in the repos) If you just grabbed a deb, you need the gnome-shell-extensions-common deb too
[02:12] <dustinspringman> trism: actually tried to do it via the ppa:webupd8team/gnome3
[02:13] <mkultra_> what are you trying to do?
[02:13] <dustinspringman> trism: gnome-shell-common is already the newest version.
[02:13] <dustinspringman> wanting to use a theme called "tempered glass"
[02:13] <bretzel> ...and is there a glipper-like (klipper) or is glipper itself is correct ?
[02:13] <mkultra_> ahh i see
[02:14] <dustinspringman> bretzel: huh?
[02:15] <trism> dustinspringman: it looks like they combined all the extensions into a single package with the 3.4.0 version, maybe try installing gnome-shell-extensions?
[02:15] <KarmaComa> Hello, I basically had Kubuntu 12.04 installed from scratch, and yesterday I opened muon and installed gnome, when I'm logged-in in gnome3 and I make a restart order it freezes at some point while the screen of Kubuntu and the blinking dots is on, any help please why I can't restart my computer
[02:15] <dustinspringman> gnome-shell-extensions is already the newest version.
[02:15] <dustinspringman> =/
[02:16] <bretzel> -- sorry (glipper:  )  persistent clipbaord history
[02:16] <dustinspringman> ya know what.. it's been a while since I killed X.. maybe that's why the triangle still shows up in gnome-tweak-tool
[02:17] <trism> dustinspringman: you need to restart gnome-shell after installing extensions, just alt+f2 r should do it
[02:17] <dustinspringman> ima take a short intermission... let my download finish and then slap X around and see if it comes back proper.
[02:17] <dustinspringman> yop yop
[02:18] <dustinspringman> i have a download thats been running for a while that i want to finish first, i'll try that and if it works i'll report back.. i've been at the keyboard too long today.. probably "thought" I restarted the shell since i've done it 1200 times today getting this 12.04 secksiness up and running. =)
[02:18] <c_smith> Is it possible to use an Android Device's media server in Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:18] <dustinspringman> brb_afk
[02:19] <bretzel> (glipper) -- duh... just installed it and runs pretty-well in gnome3 or Unity :-)
[02:31] <ultrixx> is there an official release date yet?
[02:31] <snadge> every time someone asks.. its pushed back by another week
[02:31] <Boogerhead> Kind folks, I've got Gnome classic on 12.04b2. In the network connection thing, most of the wireless routers I see are grayed out -- any idea?
[02:45] <naggu> I have currently only ubuntu beta2 installed, once live version comes do I have to reformat and install all over again?
[02:46] <KarmaComa> Hello, I basically had Kubuntu 12.04 installed from scratch, and yesterday I opened muon and installed gnome, when I'm logged-in in gnome3 and I make a restart order it freezes at some point while the screen of Kubuntu and the blinking dots is on, any help please why I can't restart my computer
[02:47] <Boogerhead> Looks like a BG2200 problem I'm having. Yay.
[02:47] <Fyodorovna> naggu, If you update and upgrade you will have the release, no need to reinstall.
[02:47] <Boogerhead> naggu: ixnay on the treeformatay. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[02:54] <Boogerhead> Can anyone tell me what package, if any, the ipw2200 module is in? I'm trying to file a bug report.
[02:56] <scriptwarlock> naggu, update is fine
[02:59] <naggu> thanks, noted
[03:06] <scar3crow> question: how/where can I delete the rhythmbox db and manually add files?
[03:13] <rafi> hi guy i just want to ask a question if you can help me thank you . i have download 12.04 unbuntu i have 2 screens so one of them not working and it does not detect or displays 2 screen if you can help me thank you
[03:14] <dustinspringman> trism: you still here?? restarting the shell did not yield the results we had hoped for.. still no "shell extensions" available in gnome-tweak-tool.. =/
[03:14] <dustinspringman> rafi: I just went thru something similar, what graphics card do you have?
[03:15] <scriptwarlock> oh cmon the annoying white square is back again on my dsktop
[03:15] <rafi> nvidia 450
[03:15] <trism> dustinspringman: odd, does it say anything in alt+f2 lg on the errors tab?
[03:15] <scriptwarlock> any of you guys seen that white square above your desktop?
[03:16] <ajmitch> scriptwarlock: yes, occasionally
[03:16] <dustinspringman> trism: alt+f2 only pops open a "run command" applet from the unity bar.. I did a full restart earlier since I had other updates that required it..
[03:17] <dustinspringman> rafi: are you using nvidia drivers or generic?
[03:17] <trism> dustinspringman: alt+f2 then lg then enter, opens a dialog with diagnostic tools
[03:17] <scriptwarlock> what app triggers that thing
[03:17] <dustinspringman> trism: alt+f2 then lg in the box shows me "lg" with some gears.. try to click it and nothing happens..
[03:18] <ajmitch> scriptwarlock: chromium is the most likely culprit, there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/940603 if it's the bug you're seeing
[03:18] <trism> dustinspringman: oh are you in unity?
[03:18] <rafi> nvidia drivers
[03:18] <trism> dustinspringman: I thought you were using gnome-shell...
[03:18] <dustinspringman> trism: maybe thats the step I'm missing!?
[03:18] <trism> dustinspringman: that might help, select GNOME on the login screen
[03:19] <dustinspringman> trism: thats a good idea.. I was thinking the theme install would set my preference to gnome or something like that.. =/
[03:19] <scriptwarlock> ajmitch, probably lemme kill chrome
[03:19] <dustinspringman> rafi: when you run the nvidia-settings, do you get any errors?
[03:20] <dustinspringman> brb, gonna login to gnome
[03:21] <dustinspringman> trism: Ah ha! /facepalm...
[03:21] <dustinspringman> trism: I now have extensions in the tweak-tool... .doh!
[03:21] <rafi> dustinpringman: no erorrs it has been activated but still did not work
[03:21] <trism> dustinspringman: excellent
[03:22] <dustinspringman> trism: lost all my fancy unity applet panels tho... =/
[03:22] <dustinspringman> trism: they are called "widgets" in gnome 3+ right?
[03:23] <trism> dustinspringman: indicators, if you mean the stuff in the top right, at least in unity
[03:24] <dustinspringman> trism: well, kinda.. I had some system sensors and load graphs in my panel on unity.. is there a "comperable solution in gnome">?
[03:25] <trism> dustinspringman: you could browse through https://extensions.gnome.org and see
[03:25] <dustinspringman> rafi: It took me about 6hrs of digging but I found my solution to be this: edited the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (yes the one nvidia-xconfig auto creates).. I noticed that I had to change both "screens" to use "device 0", one of them was set to use device 1, changed it and BOOM.. all is well.. even the fancies like compiz, etc..
[03:25] <KarmaComa> I have a little problem with my ubuntu, I originally installed Kubuntu 12.04 beta 1, and then through muon installed "gnome" and the installation went fine but 2 little bugs, 1st: when I restart gnome3 it freezes sometimes while showing the blue screen that has nothing but Kubuntu written on it and 5 blinking dots, 2nd bug: I want to see Ubuntu login screen not Kubuntu one with the 5 dots, and I c
[03:26] <newb-untu> Hi
[03:26] <newb-untu> Anyone have luck getting wifi working in 12.04 on a MacBook?
[03:27] <dustinspringman> trism: thanks man! I've been off gnome for a while... started with Deb way back in the day.. used gnome there and on fedora for years, then migrated to KDE (still on fedora) then came to ubuntu because of better laptop support. Love it so far. Have been using Unity for months now and have grown quite fond of it.. =D
[03:27] <rafi> dustinspringman: thank you
[03:27] <rafi> dustinspringman: legend man
[03:27] <dustinspringman> rafi: I hope that solves your issue!
[03:27] <dustinspringman> rafi: hah, thanks.. but I was just persistent.. its amazing what will happen when a 1 is in a place where a 0 should be.. XD
[03:29] <dustinspringman> trism: i hate to say it man,.... but I think I'm just gonna find a unity supported them and go back! the simplicity of G3 is already breaking my brain!~
[03:29] <rafi> dustinspringman: i ll sorted ;)
[03:30] <dustinspringman> brb, headed back to unity..
[03:31] <dustinspringman> yea.... unity is where ima stay.... thanks for the education tho trism!
[03:32] <dustinspringman> ima go play some urban terror now, thanks all you dev's out there. 12.04 is superb.
[03:33] <trism> dustinspringman: have fun
[03:34] <scriptwarlock> dustinspringman, what server
[03:36] <newb-untu> :)
[03:37] <mrp> anyone having dramas with byobu and putty?
[03:37] <mrp> seems to keep stacking/scrolling up the sessin
[03:38] <newb-untu> Or with wifi on a MacBook ?
[03:43] <newb-untu> I may have found a solution for wifi on a Mac: http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/~c705283/archives/2011/09/04/linux_support_for_broadcom_4331_wireless_chip_macbook_pro_81/index.html
[03:57] <len> Proprietary video drivers are one of the biggest problem areas, and people get frustrated because they are "black boxes" that the manufactures won't let people see.
[03:58] <len> sorry, wrong room
[04:49] <scar3crow> I can NOT get java to work... pls help
[04:55] <snadge> java .. y u no work?!
[04:55] <scientes_> ^^
[06:04] <DropsOfSerenity>  I have an application which I've made a .desktop file for, It launches the application but then unity launcher does not recognize it as a running window, how can I get unity launcher to recognize it as running.
[06:38] <brez_> Hi Team, I have a headless box I VNC too -- for this to function correctly I need to set lightdm to force 'ubuntu-2d' however, when I set this in the conf, it still stars as 'ubuntu' and I then have no unity bar, any ideas?
[06:42] <Volkodav> brez_: Do you choose unity2 session on log on ?
[07:01] <brez_> back regarding the above q, I thought I was ssh'd in via another boz, not the one I'm having difficulties with
[07:07] <brez> did it again ;x
[07:14] <hellyeah> hey
[07:14] <hellyeah> anyone there
[07:14] <scriptwarlock> ping
[07:14] <_tasslehoff_> is 11.10 -> 12.04 through apt quite likely to succeed at the moment?
[07:15] <hellyeah> hey
[07:15] <hellyeah> i took chs values error in ubuntu 12.04
[07:15] <hellyeah> what is the problem the first time i start using 12.04
[07:16] <hellyeah> there was no error like that but now it işs
[07:16] <scriptwarlock> what you mean
[07:17] <hellyeah> one day i did
[07:17] <hellyeah> aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade then i tried to boot windows and i took hd1 cannot get chs values press any key to continue error
[07:17] <GirlyGirl> Hi, can anyone tell send me the idle process information (memory and cpu) of Ubuntu precise when just logged in without extra applications running?
[07:18] <scriptwarlock> by means of conky 2 - 4% GirlyGirl
[07:20] <scriptwarlock> 280+ ram idle GirlyGirl
[07:20] <scriptwarlock> 280mb i think
[07:21] <GirlyGirl> scriptwarlock: 2% .. what cpu do you have as 2% of an i7 is not the same as 2% on an atom
[07:22] <scriptwarlock> u using atom GirlyGirl?
[07:22] <GirlyGirl> scriptwarlock: Yes
[07:23] <scriptwarlock> u12.04 on atom is very slow i got my friend install lubuntu or xubuntu instead
[07:24] <GirlyGirl> scriptwarlock: I'm on Kubuntu precise ... boot idle is 0% cpu and 320mb ram / 2048 mb ... Its very fast. When I tried Ubuntu 11.10 it was too slow. So I was wondering if there are any speed improvements on 12.04 before testing
[07:24] <gnomefreak> what is teh code nane for 12.10?
[07:25] <GirlyGirl> Precise Pangolin
[07:25] <gnomefreak> s/teh/the
[07:25] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: after that. prescise is 12
[07:25] <scriptwarlock> !info ubuntu+1
[07:25] <gnomefreak> 12.04
[07:25] <scriptwarlock> !ubuntu+1
[07:26] <gnomefreak> i need teh name for 12.10
[07:26] <micahg> gnomefreak: you have a time machinẻ
[07:26] <gnomefreak> micahg: i wish :)
[07:27] <GirlyGirl> gnomefreak: not yet decided
[07:27] <gnomefreak> i ant believe its 3:30 already
[07:28] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: thanks, that is odd, normally they decide a while before release
[07:28] <GirlyGirl> scriptwarlock: What was your friend's hardware configuration? Mine is http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_1005HA_Seashell/#specifications with 2gb ram
[07:29] <scriptwarlock> GirlyGirl, aspire acer one 1gigram
[07:29] <GirlyGirl> I thought unity was supposed to be lighter than kde 4.
[07:30] <GirlyGirl> Going by RAM usage it definitely is
[07:30] <scriptwarlock> as of the moment no unity+compiz awtz
[07:30] <scriptwarlock> but still is lighter
[07:31] <scriptwarlock> GirlyGirl, you can use unity 2d
[07:31] <c3sso> what is the gsettings command to hide the panels in fallback mode?
[07:32] <GirlyGirl> scriptwarlock: That was slow for me too in 11.10
[07:32] <GirlyGirl> Even if I use a gnome 3 application inside kde it lags
[07:32] <scriptwarlock> using unity 2d on  atom is lighter on ram and processor
[07:33] <GirlyGirl> And if I use a qt application in Gnome it is fast ... It seems like everything gtk3 gets slow
[07:33] <scriptwarlock> but my friend ask similar lightness of a feather so i installed lubuntu :)
[07:38] <GirlyGirl> I just don't get it my netbook is as fast as any other pc with KDE using desktop effects that unity and compiz are not even capable of but if I use gnome-shell or unity it lags like a pentium 3!
[07:40] <GirlyGirl> I want to give it another try but the last time I installed ubuntu-desktop on a Kubuntu system, I got some unwanted things starting up with kde.
[07:40] <scriptwarlock> oh you piled up everything on one machine?
[07:42] <c3sso> anyone knows  what is the gsettings command to hide the panels in fallback mode?
[07:42] <c3sso> http://askubuntu.com/questions/120635/12-04-what-is-the-gsettings-command-to-hide-the-panels-in-fallback-mode
[07:44] <vega-_> hmm, google chrome and firefox both stopped working (=they don't start), error is:
[07:44] <vega-_> (google-chrome:5910): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: No GSettings schemas are installed on the system
[07:44] <vega-_> Trace/breakpoint trap
[07:44] <vega-_> anyone seen something like this?
[07:45] <vega-_> actually, it seems to be more serious.. gedit does it also
[07:47] <vega-_> crap, actually nothing seems to be starting
[07:48] <GirlyGirl> vega-_: Bet you qt applications will start
[07:48] <vega-_> don't have any..
[07:49] <vega-_> okay, fixed by "apt-get install --reinstall gsettings-desktop-schemas"
[08:05] <bouma> is xen still well supported in precise? has anyone used pci pass through with it?
[08:05] <bouma> out of the box does it work with nvidia drivers on dom0?
[08:13] <elijah> On the latest Pangolin, I have multiple workspaces, when I use alt-tab it only shows me the apps on that workspace, is there a way I can switch to having it show all apps on all workspaces?
[08:19] <elijah> disregard my question - http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=212848&d=1329495478
[08:59] <ironhalik> Hmm, it appears I did something nasty
[08:59] <ironhalik> autoremoved eclipse, with purge option
[08:59] <ironhalik> and rm'ed /usr/lib/eclipse
[08:59] <ironhalik> now I cant start eclipse after reinstallation - missing plugins
[09:06] <ironhalik> hmm, apt-get clean seems to have helped
[09:07] <ironhalik> still got some leftover configs
[09:13] <MariusKarthaus> Hi I have a clean pangolin install and I need ia32-libs-multiarch installed  to run some 32 bits software. Apt says the ia32-libs-multiarch has unresolved dependencies and refuses to install is and aptitude gives a solution that clearly will break my entire system if I proceed. How do I resolve the 32 bit prolem in precice pangolin
[09:14] <astraljava> MariusKarthaus: $ cat /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[09:14] <astraljava> foreign-architecture i386
[09:15] <MariusKarthaus> it says foreign-architecture i386
[09:16] <astraljava> Hmm... ok, let's see.
[09:16] <MariusKarthaus> file /usr/bin/wa2011ux
[09:16] <MariusKarthaus> /usr/bin/wa2011ux: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, stripped
[09:17] <astraljava> MariusKarthaus: What are you trying to install that requires that package?
[09:17] <MariusKarthaus> readelf -l says to interpreter it is looking for is /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[09:17] <MariusKarthaus> but that does not exist
[09:18] <MariusKarthaus> it's a program to do taxes
[09:19] <yofel> MariusKarthaus: that file is in libc6:i386
[09:23] <MariusKarthaus> yofel: installing that solves only part of the problem because it will depend on many more 32 bits libs (for instance libXExt6) and only a 64 bit version is available
[09:23] <GirlyGirl> I installed ubuntu-desktop on a Kubuntu system and selected lightdm, however now when I login into session "Ubuntu", all I get is the desktop (with icons) and no panels at all. I can right click on the desktop and open the wallpaper setting but there are no panels at all and shortcut keys don't work so I cannot launch anything. However when I login as a guest I see the panels. Kde still works fine
[09:24] <MariusKarthaus> /usr/bin/wa2011ux
[09:24] <MariusKarthaus> /usr/bin/wa2011ux: error while loading shared libraries: libXext.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:24] <GirlyGirl> I see a translucent layer over where the top panel should be but then that disappears after a while
[09:24] <yofel> that's in libxext6:i386, which installs fine here
[09:25] <yofel> but I have ia32-libs installed too here, what was your issue with installing that?
[09:26] <GirlyGirl> Any ideas on the unity problem?
[09:29] <MariusKarthaus> yofel: the ia32-libs do not install on a fresh pangolin it appears. Did you dist-upgrade? in that case (my colleague has the same issue) you probably have 'old' packages for ia32 libs from marveric that still work but are probably not supposed to be there. Anyway I've solved to issue for now by installing all libs that it kep complaining about using the :i368 extension to the packagename. I did not know that was possible
[09:31] <yofel> that's the usual way to install multiarch packages now, and I have the current ia32-libs installed. But as this is an old installation it's likely that I have some package left from before
[09:40] <murlidhar> problem ! my desktop rebooted due to power failure while upgrading ..... now the desktop boots but am not able to update the packages . says " the package system broken "
[09:40] <murlidhar> i think the desktop has been half upgraded :(
[09:40] <murlidhar> any solution ?
[09:41] <murlidhar> and is it normal that launcher doesn't hide even an app is maximised ?
[09:41] <Streamstormer> murlidhar: sudo dpkg --configure -a should solve your problem
[09:42] <murlidhar> ok will try as you said
[09:43] <MariusKarthaus> yofel: thank you, your hint ':i386' allowed me to run the full program correctly.
[09:44] <murlidhar> Streamstormer: http://pastebin.com/mM3wHL9N .... can you look into it ?
[09:45] <Streamstormer> murlidhar: hmm, sudo apt-get -f install could help...
[09:45] <murlidhar> doing that now
[09:46] <murlidhar> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:46] <murlidhar>  gvfs-fuse
[09:46] <murlidhar> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Streamstormer
[09:46] <murlidhar> do you want me pastebin the whole thing ?
[09:48] <Streamstormer> murlidhar: hmm, ok do that
[09:49] <murlidhar> Streamstormer: http://pastebin.com/prU74iHz
[09:51] <Streamstormer> murlidhar: hmm, i'm not sure what the solution is, can you try that: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:52] <murlidhar> ok
[09:53] <murlidhar>  Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:53] <murlidhar>  gvfs-fuse
[09:53] <murlidhar> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:53] <murlidhar> nope.......
[09:54] <murlidhar> :(
[09:54] <Streamstormer> murlidhar: after that try to remove the package to remove the package: apt-get -f remove gvfs-fuse
[09:55] <Streamstormer> murlidhar: ups :D
[09:57] <murlidhar> well that solves the problem for now.... Streamstormer
[09:57] <murlidhar> am able to apt-get upgrade now :)
[09:57] <Streamstormer> murlidhar: ok :)
[09:59] <murlidhar> hopefully things should work fine and a full upgrade to 12.04 happens
[09:59] <murlidhar> thanks Streamstormer :)
[10:44] <elijah> What is the best way to go about installing PHP 5.2.17 on 12.04 beta? I am reading instructions here about pinning but the instructions are for Karma - https://launchpad.net/~txwikinger/+archive/php5.2
[10:45] <hifi> why would you want 5.2?
[10:48] <elijah> hifi: I am setting up a local web dev environment to match that of the host the website is running on
[10:48] <elijah> hifi: The host is on 5.2.17
[10:49] <elijah> I tried https://launchpad.net/~andphe/+archive/php but it isn't for Precise
[10:49] <hifi> upgrade the host or downgrade the dev system or build php from sources
[10:49] <vega-_> or use virtual machine..
[10:50] <hifi> no one maintains legacy php version repositories AFAIK
[10:50] <hifi> there is no good reason to, 5.3 is almost perfectly compatible with 5.2
[10:51] <hifi> from 5.2 perspective
[10:51] <elijah> hifi: Well, I had issues trying to use some Drupal modules with 5.3, so I want to run in 5.2.17 to troubleshoot
[10:52] <hifi> if it's just temporary, virtual machine or a separate path with custom built 5.2
[10:52] <elijah> Well, it is a perm dev environment for now
[10:53] <elijah> hifi: Does custom built mean download from php.org?
[10:53] <hifi> downloading the sources and building
[10:53] <hifi> and installing into a different path than the system php
[10:53] <hifi> and pointing your web server to that installation
[10:54] <hifi> at work we had a separate web server in different port running 5.2 for quite long
[10:54] <hifi> but we never replaced the system php to avoid conflicts
[10:57] <elijah> I would refer not using a virtual machine for performance reasons
[10:57] <elijah> So, I should build from source then, okay
[10:57] <elijah> I guess I can research that
[10:58] <elijah> I had no idea running an older version of PHP would be this fun!
[10:59] <elijah> Do you have time to help with that hifi?
[11:00] <hifi> sorry, no, I'm at work
[11:00] <elijah> hifi: K, can you tell me if this is a good place to start?
[11:00] <elijah> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[11:01] <hifi> you wouldn't be installing a packaged php (with checkinstall) if you build it from source and want to run it side-by-side with your 5.3
[11:03] <hifi> someone else might give you a better solution, compiling a custom php from source is hackish
[11:03] <elijah> hifi: so are you saying that you can run side by side and set the vhost file to use a certain version or just all of apache?
[11:03] <hifi> yes, you can
[11:03] <hifi> some webhosts do that to offer different major versions of php and other languages
[11:03] <elijah> hifi: this is something I would download directly from php.net right?
[11:07] <elijah> K, I found the tarball. What is best practice for install location? ~/      or maybe /usr/local/ ?
[11:19] <elijah> Does anyone have advice on installing php 5.2.17 on Precise?
[11:21] <jewjitsu> Hey, can someone help me please? I ran the additional  drivers tool and it is saying no proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[11:21] <jewjitsu> How do I proceed?
[11:23] <jewjitsu> Anyone?
[11:23] <GirlyGirl> jewjitsu: What is the problem?
[11:23] <jewjitsu> I ran the additional  drivers tool and it is saying no proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[11:23] <jewjitsu> How do i proceed?
[11:23] <GirlyGirl> jewjitsu: There is nothing to be done then
[11:24] <jewjitsu> How so? That generally means I won't be able to run programs like WoW till I get better drivers
[11:25] <GirlyGirl> jewjitsu: No it does not
[11:25] <GirlyGirl> jewjitsu: What graphic card does this pc have?
[11:25] <jewjitsu> Oh? That's been the experience i've had, anyway.
[11:25] <jewjitsu> I think either an Nvidia 400/500, combined with an Intel.
[11:25] <jewjitsu> It's a dell one with the Optimus thing
[11:26] <jewjitsu> Laptop graphics.
[11:26] <jewjitsu> I've tried to get Bumblebee installed and I can't seem to install it.
[11:27] <jewjitsu> I guess you could help me with that.
[11:27] <jewjitsu> I ran
[11:27] <jewjitsu> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bumblebee/stable
[11:27] <jewjitsu> Then sudo apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia
[11:28] <jewjitsu> And now I am getting E: Unable to locate package bumblebee
[11:28] <jewjitsu> E: Unable to locate package bumblebee-nvidia
[11:28] <GirlyGirl> jewjitsu: The ppa probably does not have packages for 12.04 yet
[11:28] <jewjitsu> Could I install an older package and it work?
[11:28] <GirlyGirl> Not recommended
[11:31] <jewjitsu> These hybrid graphics cards are the worst things ever.
[11:31] <jewjitsu> Pain in the anus, I am telling you never buy one.
[11:31] <jewjitsu> or a pc that has one
[11:31] <GirlyGirl> !language
[11:32] <jewjitsu> lol, wow.
[11:33] <jewjitsu> Are you going to !language the dictionary aswell? I hear penis is also in there.
[12:03] <Guest53853> Welp, as I said earlier.  No proprietary drivers in use means that I can't run games like wow.
[12:03] <Guest53853> I went ahead and tried it
[12:04] <Guest53853> Does anyone mind helping me add a driver that will?
[12:09] <GirlyGirl> Guest53853: It does not mean that. And people won't help you if you are rude
[12:09] <Guest53853> I'm not rude. I _could_ be rude.
[12:10] <Guest53853> I have never run into a time when it said that and would work. I am going on experience.
[12:10] <Guest53853> And it proved right, so I said it did.
[12:10] <Guest53853> The same reason I said it meant it wouldn't earlier.
[12:10] <Guest53853> Because it does, atleast in my case.
[12:11] <Guest53853> You're very sensitive.
[12:19] <Guest53853> Got bumblebee to work on my own.
[12:19] <Guest53853> Thanks anyway.
[12:20] <philipp_> guys i installed the new ubuntu and now i have no window manager (windows without frame) what do i have to install to get a gnome window manager?
[12:21] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: Did it work before or did it just fail after doing something?
[12:22] <philipp_> work what? well aptitude clamed to be able to reslve the problems
[12:23] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: do you see the unity panel?
[12:25] <philipp_> i have uninstalled  unity and installed gnome... GUESS
[12:25] <philipp_> no isee a... kinda gonome 2 pannel
[12:26] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: try "unity --reset"
[12:29] <philipp_> unity command not found
[12:29] <philipp_> I DONT HAVE UNITY
[12:30] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: do "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" then "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[12:31] <LiNuX`sup> How can I enable image preview for "Network" folders? 12.04/gnome3
[12:31] <philipp_> i dont want unity
[12:31] <philipp_> unity sucks
[12:31] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: I don't use unity either .. but what do you want to replace it with?
[12:31] <philipp_> gnome 3
[12:32] <LiNuX`sup> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[12:32] <LiNuX`sup> log out and log into a gnome session
[12:32] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: do "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" then "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" "sudo apt-get install gnome-shell" ... don't unistall unity just don't use it
[12:33] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: after that select session type gnome when you login
[12:35] <philipp_> GirlyGirl: i did not... i apt-get did.... (he is a bitch) =)
[12:36] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: Have you installed gnome-shell and does that work?
[12:38] <kraut> hi
[12:39] <kraut> i'm using ubuntu beta 12.04. the audio output of my flashplugin in firefox (youtube) via pulseaudio is choppy. any ideas or hints where i can look for?
[12:39] <jamjam> why can't 11.10 & 12.04 recognize my radeon hd 5570? can't install ubuntu..:-(
[12:39] <philipp_> no it tells me something about unmet dependency again****
[12:39] <philipp_> i need a smooth sources.list
[12:40] <GirlyGirl> jamjam: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[12:40] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: do "sudo apt-get install -f" ... nothing to do with sources.list
[12:41] <philipp_> it tells me me unable to locate ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: You are on 12.04?
[12:43] <jamjam> installation doesn't proceed because of random pixels on screen..
[12:45] <philipp_> i think so...
[12:46] <GirlyGirl> philipp_: 1) use my sources.list file http://paste.kde.org/454778/ , 2) "sudo apt-get update" 3) "sudo apt-get install -f" 4) sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" 5) "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" 6) sudo apt-get install gnome-shell"
[12:46] <jamjam> if I unplug the radeon card, installation works fine using the built-in nvidia, only then I can install radeon drivers..
[12:47] <GirlyGirl> jamjam: it works after installing radeon drivers then?
[12:48] <jamjam> yes, but why can't recognize on installation? , thanks btw.
[12:49] <jamjam> I'm planning to buy a new mobo but it doesn't have a built-in video..
[12:49] <philipp_> GirlyGirl: i cant copy the link im on commmand line
[12:49] <philipp_> but i fixed it
[12:51] <kraut> ok, i just fixed the flash choppy sound problem by downgrading flash to     Shockwave Flash 11.1 r102
[12:51] <philipp_> okey i think i did it
[12:54] <LiNuX`sup> jamjam, ati/linux have never gotten along very well. However the xorg drivers should work just fine for your install and then you can add the appropriate driver afterwards
[12:55] <mrp> exit
[12:55] <mrp> clear
[12:55] <LiNuX`sup> I still need some help with my question though
[12:55] <LiNuX`sup> How can I enable image preview for "Network" folders? 12.04/gnome3
[12:55] <GirlyGirl> There should be something in settings to enable thumbnails
[12:56] <LiNuX`sup> when I used unity it was part of compiz, but gnome3 & compiz don't like each other at the moment and have no plans on rekindling the relationship
[12:57] <jamjam> @LiNuX`sup: I also thought so, but during installation I'm stuck with random pixel, the card is simply a low power, SAPPHIRE HD 5570 1GB DDR3
[12:58] <LiNuX`sup> jamjam: that seems odd, did you set your ati to primary in motherboard?
[12:59] <LiNuX`sup> in the bios?
[12:59] <jamjam> yes, pcie
[13:00] <LiNuX`sup> if you're updating your motherboard do you plan on updating your hard drive as well?
[13:00] <jamjam> there are only two options, the other is "igp"
[13:00] <LiNuX`sup> if not unlike windows you can load an os on a different spec machine
[13:00] <jamjam> just the mobo, but it doesn't have a built-in video
[13:00] <LiNuX`sup> so just use the install you have the video working
[13:01] <LiNuX`sup> then let the updates come in for your new hardware
[13:01] <jamjam> can't make through installation on this card :-(
[13:02] <LiNuX`sup> you don't have to
[13:02] <GirlyGirl> LiNuX`sup: The option looks like this for me, you should have something similar in nautilus preferences
[13:02] <GirlyGirl> LiNuX`sup: http://www.picamatic.com/view/8339738_snapshot3/
[13:04] <LiNuX`sup> jamjam: use the install you have working
[13:04] <LiNuX`sup> jamjam: in linux you can migrate hard drives with linux installs to new machines and have them work fine
[13:04] <jamjam> but what if I wanted to format it again on new mobo w/o video?
[13:05] <LiNuX`sup> the bug might be between your mobo and that card and the distro...
[13:05] <LiNuX`sup> so it may not even be an issue
[13:06] <LiNuX`sup> otherwise you can pick up a $5 vid card as backup
[13:06] <LiNuX`sup> I've found very little support on the ati/linux issues
[13:11] <GirlyGirl_> LiNuX`sup: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting
[13:11] <GirlyGirl_> LiNuX`sup: Use that, install the driver, then remove nomodset
[13:11] <LiNuX`sup> GirlyGirl_: I found it in prefrences, thank you
[13:12] <LiNuX`sup> I was looking under the "view" menu item and previously used compiz to adjust the setting so I never knew it would be in the "obvious" place
[13:12] <LiNuX`sup> :)
[13:15] <GirlyGirl_> Seems like compiz has become the "jack of all trades" since they introduced unity
[13:15] <Daekdroom> How so?
[13:15] <marlins> anyone else have issues with synergy dying
[13:16] <marlins> seems like everytime i use "?" or "+" and sometimes the spacebar, it chokes. :p
[13:16] <GirlyGirl_> marlins: synergy??
[13:16] <jamjam> If I may buy a new one, what gpu card is most compatible on ubuntu?
[13:16] <marlins> yea, lets me use a keyboard from another computer
[13:16] <marlins> not a big deal
[13:16] <marlins> what is, though, everytime i type "]", the HUD pops up
[13:17] <marlins> thats annoying, as I use that key a lot in coding
[13:17] <Daekdroom> jamjam, it depends.
[13:17] <marlins> and it steals focus
[13:17] <marlins> I'm not sure how to disable or change the hotkey for that
[13:17] <Daekdroom> If you'd like to use a open-source driver, a Radeon HD5xxx is a good choice.
[13:17] <Daekdroom> If you'd like to use a closed-source driver, definitely a Nvidia model.
[13:17] <GirlyGirl_> jamjam: Intel ones work out of the box but are not too powerful ... nvidia is a good choice normally
[13:18] <jamjam> mine is radeon hd5570 but ubuntu doesn't recognize it on install..
[13:18] <Daekdroom> It should recognize it.
[13:18] <Daekdroom> GirlyGirl_, the Intel graphic cards that come paired with a CPU do not have good support at all.
[13:19] <Daekdroom> I have a H5450 and it works very well.
[13:19] <marlins> no one else annoyed by HUD stealing focus when typing?
[13:19] <marlins> mine gets activated when i hit "]"
[13:19] <GirlyGirl_> Daekdroom: Sandy bridge works and that is in most new intels
[13:20] <GirlyGirl_> marlins: No doesn't annoy me as I don't have HUD.
[13:20] <GirlyGirl_> I wouldn't mind having it though
[13:20] <Daekdroom> marlins, it shouldn't get activated given it's assigned to <ALT> by default.
[13:21] <LiNuX`sup> jamjam: nvidia cards have never given me an issue. Which one would be based upon your budget, best value currently is probably like a 250 GTX
[13:22] <marlins> Daekdroom: it may be because my keyb is a macbook pro keyb
[13:22] <marlins> I'm not sure
[13:22] <marlins> but supremely annoying to code
[13:22] <marlins> and I'm not sure how to remap that
[13:25] <spacebug-> marlins: install compizconfig-settings-manager and there yo can disable or change the shortcut for the HUD
[13:27] <spacebug-> marlins: "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager" then start it with ccsm and in "ubuntu unity plugin" you can change/disable "Key to show the HUD"
[13:31] <marlins> k thanks
[13:34] <jamjam> my budget falls on these, SAPPHIRE HD5670 1GB DDR5 128BIT or INNO 3D GT440 1GB DDR5 128BIT, I'm after compatibility not power, which one do you think? for ubuntu 12.04?
[13:46] <craigbass1976> This might not even be a +1 question, as I suspect (after seeing it in a whole other OS on a different box) it's alsa in general...  I'm trying to run audio out of my phone into the mic or line in jack on a computer.  I see that there's a signal registering.  I'm getting nothing out the speakers.  Sound is fine otherwise.
[13:46] <jamjam> I guess I'll just need HD5450 while still available, thanks anyway..
[13:54] <marlins> spacebug-:  that worked. Thanks a million :)
[14:01] <tomasz> hi
[14:01] <tomasz> i have problem with kubuntu 12.04 beta 2
[14:21] <alexove> Hello i have problems installing a bcm4313 wireless in my laptop
[14:21] <alexove> i tried to compile the official broadcom module but i obtain a make error 2
[14:21] <alexove> http://paste.ubuntu.com/923363/
[14:21] <bazhang> !broadcom | alexove
[14:23] <vamadir>  i have laptop with combo  audio jack. Output working input Notworking. Ubuntu 12.04. But i need use mic also.
[14:24] <cortex_sk> alexove: did you try jockey-kde? i have the same chip on my nb
[14:26] <alexove> yes i tried it but the wireless is not working well
[14:26] <alexove> only detects nearby signals
[14:27] <alexove> i have another laptop, it can detect 3 or 4 signals but this laptop only one or none in same place
[14:28] <alexove> bazhang there are not instructions for precise pangolin
[14:28] <bazhang> alexove, so it works, just not what you expect, is that the issue
[14:37] <vamadir> Who have combo  audio jack? How to doing normal detect hardware? Not detect MIC, only headphones
[14:38] <GirlyGirl> vamadir: If you no understand english, then you go local channel. Example French #ubuntu-fr, italian #ubuntu-it, german #ubuntu-de, russian #ubuntu-ru
[14:39] <demonboy> I got some still having problems with java I just reinstalled ubuntu 12.04 I did all the updates I installed the java plugin through the software center and when I try to play runescape it tells me that have no jova
[14:39] <demonboy> Java*
[14:41] <vamadir> GirlyGirl, i asked on #ubuntu, #ubuntu-ru, #ubuntu-cn, NO answer. in Google also no answer.
[14:42] <GirlyGirl> vamadir: That's because in here at least your querry made no sense
[15:10] <demonboy> mofasa: I disconnected
[15:13] <demonboy> mofasa: close query and re- query me
[15:15] <Oli> Upgraded my desktop and the fonts are all messy. I've been through similar things in the past but I can't find a way to fix it in 12.04. Is there a known way to get font-antialiasing working properly.
[15:17] <Oli> I have played around with gnome-tweak-tool but it doesn't fix things.
[15:25] <demonboy> (demonboy) I got some still having problems with java I just reinstalled ubuntu 12.04 I did all the updates I installed the java plugin through the software center and when I try to play runescape it tells me that have no java
[15:29] <EvilResistance> demonboy, did you install Sun java?  Runescape needs sun java to operate (or rather, Oracle java now)
[15:34] <demonboy> installing oracle java 7 is what cause me to have to reinstall ubuntu
[15:35] <jtrucks> I'm glad I don't run X on my server. my system hasn't given me any issues at all so far.
[15:37] <demonboy> if I could learn how to use ubuntu without using x then I so would
[15:44] <jtrucks> demonboy: is this your server or a workstation?
[15:50] <demonboy> is the workstation
[15:55] <Myrtti> upgrading broke my cups :-(
[16:04]  * astraljava wonders how easy it'd be to play runescape without X
[16:26] <confrey> hi everubody
[16:27] <confrey> what's about a bad compiz working? I always set some bindings about desktop wall and windows scaling, but I don't find it yet when reboot
[16:36] <confrey> anybody flashing ubuntu on an android device?
[16:44] <sindile> running apt-get upgrade results in the following packages have been kept back: update-notifier
[16:45] <sindile> running apt-get install --fix-broken does not solve the problem
[16:48] <sindile> this results in The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:48] <sindile>  update-notifier : Depends: update-notifier-common (= 0.119ubuntu6) but 0.119ubuntu5 is to be installed
[16:48] <sindile> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:52] <astraljava> sindile: It's just a bad timing, I'm sure. Try again a little later.
[16:52] <sindile> thanks
[17:04] <urbancommando> hello
[17:05] <ant30> Sorry, but I hate blue youtube vídeos .... oooh (nvidia, vdpau, flash)
[17:40] <murlidhar> err is it a bug that unity launcher doesn't hide when an app is maximised ?
[17:41] <trism> murlidhar: it will only hide if you set it to autohide in the appearance preferences
[17:41] <murlidhar> :(
[17:41] <murlidhar> i want to downgrade now
[17:41] <marlins> heh
[17:41] <murlidhar> ;)
[17:41] <marlins> i hate that synergy segfaults now, too
[17:42] <murlidhar> i don't understand the point of showing it even when we want an app to maximised
[17:45] <murlidhar> so you guys mean that i cannot hide the launcher only when an app is maximised and otherwise shown all times on the screen ?
[17:45] <murlidhar> jeez
[17:46] <trism> murlidhar: bug 930148
[17:46] <murlidhar> yay
[17:47] <trism> murlidhar: there is also a script that is supposed to work around it, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/get-dodge-windows-unity-autohide.html
[17:47] <trism> murlidhar: I haven't tested it, though the code did seem safe enough
[17:48] <chmac> Running an update now and I'm being prompted to remove update-notifier and ubuntu-desktop, is that a dependency issue?
[17:48] <murlidhar> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/get-dodge-windows-unity-autohide.html#more
[17:48] <chmac> Normally when ubuntu-desktop is to be uninstalled it's an issue, but it doesn't look like anything else will be uninstalled, so maybe the package has become redundant or something...
[17:48] <murlidhar> this is a good work around for now :)
[17:51] <murlidhar> brb
[17:54] <chmac> Anyone?
[17:54] <chmac> Has anyone else uninstalled ubuntu-desktop without issue?
[17:54] <chmac> Or it'll try to rip out my whole OS? :-)
[17:56] <chmac> Ok, gtg, I'll try again later
[17:56] <trism> chmac: it is fine to uninstall ubuntu-desktop, although if you plan on upgrading to the next release later you should remember to reinstall it again
[17:57] <confrey> anybody flashing ubuntu on an android device?
[17:59] <pepee> confrey, IIRC you can not flash ubuntu on android, you run it on top of android OS
[18:02] <confrey> pepee, I meaned on an android device, running e native kernel
[18:03] <pepee> yeah, you can't do that I think
[18:03] <pepee> if you find out how, let me know, please :D
[18:05] <confrey> pepee, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1197793
[18:38] <tidux> what the hell?
[18:38] <tidux> the Linux kernel just zapped the 12.04b2 amd64 installer with the OOM-killer!
[18:39] <tidux> I have 2GB of RAM!
[18:40] <tidux>                         _,-%/%|
[18:40] <tidux>                     _,-'    \//%\
[18:40] <tidux>                 _,-'        \%/|%
[18:40] <tidux>               / / )    __,--  /%\
[18:40] <tidux>               \__/_,-'%(%  ;  %)%
[18:40] <tidux>                       %\%,   %\
[18:40] <tidux>                         '--%'
[18:41] <Ian_Corne> !behaviour tim`
[18:41] <Ian_Corne> !behaviour tidux
[18:41] <Pici> Ian_Corne: they were k-lined.
[18:42] <Ian_Corne> ah ok
[18:42] <Ian_Corne> is that a correct command?
[18:42] <Pici> You'd need the pipe between the command and their name next time.
[18:43] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[18:43] <tidux> so seriously
[18:43] <tidux> a debian-installer frontend getting an OOM kill on 2GB RAM is completely inexcusable
[18:45] <TheSimkin> used to be able to install debian with 4mb of ram
[18:45] <TheSimkin> 8mb "comfortably"
[18:46] <TheSimkin> sigh
[18:46] <TheSimkin> now you need a gb for your webbrowser
[18:47] <tidux> TheSimkin: you can still run Debian with 64MB RAM if you don't mind not having X
[18:47] <TheSimkin> i had x on 4mb of ram!
[18:47] <tidux> with what, Desqview/X on DOS?
[19:08] <scientes> (totem:26222): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: Read/writable property 'object' on class 'ZeitgeistDpPlugin' has type 'TotemObject' which is not exactly equal to the type 'GObject' of the property on the interface 'PeasActivatable'
[19:09] <scientes> ** (totem:26267): CRITICAL **: bacon_video_widget_dvd_event: assertion `bvw != NULL' failed
[19:09] <mynickistaken> guys i try to install sqldeveloper for ubuntu useing make-sqldeveloper-package from the reop but i get an error "chmod: missing operand after `755'"
[19:20] <astraljava> mynickistaken: It's missing the filename. But slow down, make-sqldeveloper-package?! reop?! Could you elaborate on those, please? Wouldn't hurt if you pastebin everything you're doing as well.
[19:23] <yofel> first, make-sqldeveloper-package is from the sqldeveloper-package package
[19:23] <yofel> taking a quick glance at the script the only place where this could happen is line 381 as it uses chmod after xargs there
[19:24] <mynickistaken> yofel, yes but where is "the script"?
[19:25] <yofel>  /usr/bin/make-sqldeveloper-package
[19:26] <mynickistaken> thx <3
[19:26] <mynickistaken> any suggestion what i could improve there?
[19:26] <yofel> seems like it's looking for some .jars and finds none
[19:26] <yofel> but as I don't know anything about sqldeveloper that's as much as I can analyze
[19:31] <mynickistaken> ye the problem is i have no jar
[19:31] <mynickistaken> and dont wanna register on that lame oracle homepage
[19:35] <mynickistaken> u helped a lot thx
[20:09] <ki4ro> quiet in here...12.04 must be working well
[20:10] <TeslaTony> That, or everyone has died of frustration
[20:10] <xangua> or made computers explote and kills the users
[20:10] <ki4ro> LOL
[20:11] <TeslaTony> Well, you'd see a bunch of signoffs in that case
[20:12] <TeslaTony> Anyways, does anyone know how to go from 11.10 to 12.04 via the command line?
[20:13] <jtaylor> TerminX: do-release-upgrade
[20:14] <jtaylor> TeslaTony: ^
[20:14] <jtaylor> sry
[20:14] <TeslaTony> Thanks jtaylor
[20:15] <TeslaTony> jtaylor, I ran it, and it said "No new releases found"
[20:15] <jtaylor> TeslaTony: you need -d as precise is not released yet
[20:15] <guntbert> TeslaTony: do-release-upgrade -d
[20:17] <TeslaTony> Gives me the same error
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> it seem my Ubuntu is not representing the Euro symbol properly anymore
[20:29] <markit> hi, I've a bug for 12.04, where is to report? I've had a look at launchpad but seems related to special projects and not ubuntu itself
[20:30] <yofel> !bug | markit
[20:30] <markit> yofel: is related to a combination of multiple packages
[20:31] <markit> and also need a web interface, I'm on debian at the moment
[20:31] <yofel> what's the bug? and the page above explains how to get to the web interface
[20:31] <markit> mm maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[20:32] <markit> yofel: if you install squid3 and dnsmasq, squid is killed at startup
[20:32] <markit> seems dnsmasq forces interface to go down and up, and squid3 can't survive it
[20:33] <markit> # dmesg | grep squid
[20:33] <markit> [   20.227964] init: squid3 main process (1310) killed by HUP signal
[20:33] <markit> if I remove dnsmasq everything is ok
[20:33] <markit> (and I don't use network manager, that I know has a sort of "embedded dnsmasq" now)
[20:34] <yofel> can't help there I fear, maybe someone else
[20:34] <c3sso> hmmm.  have also some odd behaviour with /etc/sudoers to report...
[20:35] <c3sso> I have defined some overrides, like that I can start synaptic without password
[20:35] <c3sso> but none of them work
[20:35] <markit> c3sso: do you know that "admin" is now deprecated, and sudoers should belong to "sudo" group? (or something like that)
[20:35] <c3sso> no
[20:36] <markit> (not that must be related, just I discovered recently and better inform you)
[20:36] <markit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[20:36] <c3sso> yeah, I use a command like this : tux ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/synaptic
[20:36] <markit> "Until Ubuntu 11.10, the Unix group for administrators with root privileges..."
[20:37] <CQ_> is there a way to get apt to download to another folder? I have 700M available, but the upgrade wants 2.5G... can I symlink the apt dir to somewhere else?
[20:37] <c3sso> to give my user tux the rights to execute synaptic as root withoout password, and in 10.10 that works fine...
[20:38] <c3sso> so they must have changed sth with that too...
[20:39] <c3sso> CQ_: yes. why not? usb stick would be propably slow...
[20:39] <khamer> I'm struggling with the new multi-arch stuff; I used to install ia32-libs, but I'm not sure what the new package is
 there is none
[20:40] <khamer> c3sso: I have an executable file that I believe I can't execute because it needs a 32-bit lib
[20:41] <jtaylor> khamer: which lib?
[20:41] <c3sso> you can now install the libt you need, normally no need to install ia32
[20:41] <khamer> So, the problem is I don't know which lib, and I'm not sure how to find out; I know the older instructions were to install the meta package
[20:41] <jtaylor> what error message do you get?
[20:42] <khamer> jtaylor: No such file or directory, nothing helpful
[20:42] <jtaylor> try strace on it to figure out what is looking for
[20:45] <khamer> jtaylor: strace doesn't look like it has anything useful
[20:45] <jtaylor> it must tell you which file it does not find
[20:46] <jtaylor> you may need to trace child processes
[20:46] <khamer> jtaylor: oh, exec:
[20:46] <jtaylor> is the executable a script?
[20:46] <khamer> jtaylor: no
[20:46] <CQ_> c3sso: but would the upgrader correctly detect the required disk space? It complained about the root partition...
[20:47] <khamer> jtaylor: I think it might be an openjdk lib, but trying to install openjdk-jre:386 fails miserably
[20:48] <jtaylor> that would be surprising
[20:48] <khamer> jtaylor: alright, n ot miserably, but it just tells me I have to install like 7 other packages without installaing any of them
[20:48] <jtaylor> that it needs a 32 bit openjdk I mean
[20:49] <markit> mmm "report a bug" page points to launchpad, wehre I'm logghed, I see a link "repor a bug" under "get involved" that redirects to "report a bug" page, that ....
[20:49] <khamer> it used to require the 32bit sun java libs, I've run this on other machines with openjdk in the past
[20:50] <jtaylor> what exactly does it not find?
[20:50] <astraljava> CQ_: You can run `sudo apt-get update -o Dir::Cache:Archives=/path/to/wherever` and then `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -o Dir::Cache::Archives=/same/path/than/last/time` to get around the space problem with the .debs. However, it'll say how much more or less disk space is going to be used after the upgrade is done.
[20:50] <khamer> jtaylor: http://pastebin.com/EhSVgm6t
[20:51] <jtaylor> it doesn't find ncsvc
[20:51] <yofel> markit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_at_Launchpad.net
[20:52] <khamer> jtaylor: ncsvc is what I'm trying to run
[20:53] <markit> yofel: oh, thanks god, now I've found it
[20:53] <khamer> jtaylor: bash says it doesn't exist, file/ls show that its really there and happy
[20:53] <CQ_> astraljava: perfect, thanks! just what I needed
[20:54] <khamer> jtaylor: Google thought that this is because I'm missing some library
[20:54] <jtaylor> khamer: hm I saw reports of that vbefore, no idea how to solve it
[20:54] <jtaylor> what does ldd of the file say?
[20:54] <CQ_> astraljava: all I need to do before is edit the sources.list correct?
[20:55] <khamer> jtaylor: at first, "you do not have read permission", then after i gave myself read permission, "not a dynamic executable"
[20:55] <astraljava> CQ_: No, with that -o switch, no tampering of sources.list is necessary.
[20:55] <jtaylor> can you run it now?
[20:55] <astraljava> CQ_: It's a one-off thing.
[20:55] <khamer>  jtaylor, no, bash still tells me it doesn't exist
[20:57] <jtaylor> do you have libc6-i386 installed?
[20:57] <CQ_> astraljava: nok, I mean to point to 12.04 instead of 11.10
[20:57] <CQ_> s/nok/no/
[20:58] <khamer> jtaylor: nope, and that helped a lot, now I just need to track down libz.so.1
[20:58] <jtaylor> khamer: zlib1g:i386
[20:59] <astraljava> CQ_: Umm... would that be the first upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04? I'd advise against it, dist-upgrade is not the best way to do it. But then again, if you have space issues, it might be your only option.
[20:59] <CQ_> astraljava: yes, the initial upgrade
[21:01] <khamer>  jtaylor, you win
[21:01] <astraljava> CQ_: It's a risky business. If you have _any_ sensitive data, tricky to configure services or any other such thingies, I'd advise against it. But then you're doing a devel release upgrade, so I trust you know what you're doing. Remember, precise isn't stable yet.
[21:02] <khamer> jtaylor: so apparently i32-libs contained those
[21:02] <khamer> how'd you know to guess libc6-i386 in the first place?
[21:02] <jtaylor> google :)
[21:03] <jtaylor> the issue is you need a 32 bit ld.so
[21:03] <jtaylor> without it nothing works and you get no proper error message
[21:04] <khamer> ah, that makes some sense
[21:04] <khamer> ‏I wonder what happens if I do this
[21:05] <khamer> sorry for spam
[21:06] <CQ_> astraljava: not much on there, its a laptop with not much on it...
[21:11] <astraljava> CQ_: I don't know how accurately dist-upgrade will make your updated system when regards to do-release-upgraded. If you're sure you can't free enough space on / and you're fine with possibly a non-booting system, then by all means. It's possible, though, that the installation fails somewhere because of the limited space. At least do `sudo apt-get clean` to possibly get rid of some cruft.
[21:12]  * astraljava hates having to type so many conditionals
[21:16] <CQ_> astraljava: alternatives are moving /usr to a separate partition, I used to have that, but there were some problems with that a few releases back... /usr is 6G in and of itself, most in lib and something else
[21:19] <astraljava> CQ_: How's your disk setup like? I'd recommend doing that instead.
[21:23] <CQ_> astraljava: bin win7 partition, 10gb ubuntu root, big home partition, and a big data partition (also swap, tmp, etc.)
[21:24] <astraljava> CQ_: What I would do is boot into a live-cd and resize the /home or the data partition a little smaller, say 6GB, and then resize the / bigger.
[21:25] <astraljava> CQ_: Did you run `sudo apt-get clean`? If yes, did it free up any space?
[21:25] <CQ_> yes, that got me from 400 to 700M free
[21:26] <astraljava> Ahh... quite disappointing. Well, those are your options. I'd rather go the live-cd way, but it's all up to you. :)
[21:26] <CQ_> astraljava: live CD is probably a good idea... I'll use unetbootin then, no CD On that laptop...
[21:26] <astraljava> Unless of course there's a way for do-release-upgrade to tell to use another location for archives, and also automagically tell whether there's enough space for precise once it's boot-ready.
[21:27] <astraljava> CQ_: There's also the Startup Disk Creator in System menu.
[21:28] <CQ_> astraljava: ah, never saw that before...
[21:36] <kanliot> last time i checked, startup disk creator was broken
[21:41] <CQ> astraljava: I have the home and root partitions right next to each other, but if I shrink home I shrink from the end, and the root is before it... and Iḿ not using kvm
[21:41] <CQ> lvm
[21:44] <FernandoMiguel> something is very wrong with Fonts and pidgin
[21:45] <astraljava> CQ: Why? gparted is capable of freeing space preceding the /home partition.
[21:47] <CQ> wont that trounce the data, or does gparted actually handle the relocation?
[21:48] <astraljava> CQ: gparted will move the data. I'd not recommend moving data from a booting partition, but this isn't the case here.
[21:49] <CQ> ah, didnt know that...
[21:49] <astraljava> CQ: It's quite a handy tool. :)
[21:49] <CQ> yep :)
[21:50] <BarkingFish> Just want to check something, I'm running apper now, and there's some updates to the ISC DHCP client - do I need to restart my system or net connection with this?
[21:53] <CQ> BarkingFish: shouldn't be needed as you already have a dhcp lease...
[21:53] <astraljava> BarkingFish: Usually clients are run only when the lease time ends, so I'd say there's no need.
[21:54] <BarkingFish> ok, no problem :)
[21:54] <BarkingFish> just checking in case it'd altered anything the client did, i hate stuff i'm using updating while I'm using it :)  I never know what to do afterwards
[21:55] <BarkingFish> the joys of autism!  A place for everything, and woe betide anything which changes it :P
[21:56] <CQ> BarkingFish: if you hate that, then init 1 and then run apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[21:57] <BarkingFish> i already have done
[21:57] <BarkingFish> I'm on the beta now
[22:03] <bretzel> Hi all, you can count me self as a new user of the Ubuntu distro :-) 12.04 beta2 is just awesome! hehehe Love the HUD and Unity ( okay lacks some gnome3 shell integration, hopefully Unity will be side-to-side with gnome3 shell)
[22:07] <mongo> hrm i'm guessing 12.04 isn't in an android image yet :)
[22:08] <CQ> mongo: usdo apt-get install --cross-port=android --release+12.04 ? :)
[22:39] <spaceneedle> The update icon in the corner says "updates available" even tho there are no updates.
[22:54] <mouth1> hi
[22:54] <mouth1> what's the best theming app for 12.04?
[22:57] <nathwill> mouth1, myunity?
[23:00] <TeslaTony> I'm trying to upgrade from Kubuntu 11.10 to Kubuntu 12.04. Every command I've seen suggested to initiate the upgrade either results in nothing, or a message saying that there is no new release to upgrade to. What am I missing?
[23:02] <Belial`> TeslaTony, update-manager -d?
[23:05] <TeslaTony> Belial`, Ah, I don't have "update-manager" installed. Is that an overall ubuntu program, or is it for Gnome?
[23:05] <Belial`> oh, my bad. you're using kubuntu.
[23:06] <bretzel> lol
[23:06] <mouth1> nathwill: is gnome tweak tool better than myunity?
[23:06] <mouth1> i can't seem to use the black cursor nor change the color from orange to blue in either app
[23:07] <nathwill> mouth1, gnome-tweak-tool is for gnome-shell
[23:07] <nathwill> so if you're using gnome-shell... yes. otherwise, no.
[23:07] <Daekdroom> GNOME Tweak Tool is useful for changing themeing in Unity too
[23:07] <mouth1> i see it mentioned a lot on ubuntu 12.04 tutorials
[23:08] <mouth1> so is gnome tweak tool only for GNOME 3 Shell?
[23:09] <Daekdroom> GTK+, Metacity controls, fonts. All that changeable in Gnome Tweak tool.
[23:09] <Daekdroom> Icons too.
[23:09] <Daekdroom> I think what doesn't work in there is the cursor theme.
[23:09] <Belial`> TeslaTony, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu have you tried that?
[23:09] <Daekdroom> (and some other stuff unrelated to themes)
[23:11] <mouth1> Daekdroom: i am so confused with ubuntu 12.04
[23:11] <Daekdroom> How so?
[23:11] <mouth1> last time i was using ubuntu was 9.04
[23:11] <mouth1> so much has changed since then
[23:11] <Daekdroom> Indeed.
[23:11] <mouth1> i am a mac user now so...
[23:11] <mouth1> but i really want to use ubuntu!
[23:11] <mouth1> i like unity
[23:12] <Belial`> yeah, unity is a keeper for me in 12.04.
[23:12] <Belial`> not so much in previous releases.
[23:12] <mongo> it's better, still annoying that you can't easy swap between windows of diff apps with ease
[23:13] <mouth1> many people using GNOME 3 with 12.04?
[23:13] <mouth1> i would like to use unity
[23:13] <Daekdroom> It improved so much in this version, but it seems there's a lot getting cooked for 12.10 already.
[23:13] <mongo> e.g. if you have a browser and 4 terms open alt-tab will bring up all 4 terms
[23:13] <mouth1> mac handles this nicely
[23:13] <Daekdroom> mongo, does it?
[23:14] <mouth1> sorry for offtopic
[23:14] <mouth1> :D
[23:24] <ki7mt> What's the current release date of 12.04 LTS?
[23:25] <Daekdroom> !schedule | ki7mt
[23:25] <BarkingFish> scheduled currently for 4/26/12, ki7mt
[23:25] <ki7mt> Thanks.
[23:25] <BarkingFish> i think
[23:25] <BarkingFish> it was the last time I checked
[23:26] <BarkingFish> yep, still is
[23:26] <ki7mt> Yeah it says APR-26 on the sked.
[23:27] <BarkingFish> can someone remind me how to add a factoid to ubottu please?
[23:31] <mongo> Daekdroom: open 3 terminals on one work space, open a browser window and then open a 4th terminal window then hit alt-tab alt-tab and see
[23:31] <mongo> it is ugly, you have to use the arrow keys to use alt tab to bring up a single window, but this is all gnome sillyness
[23:35] <Daekdroom> It's a Unity feature.
[23:35] <Daekdroom> All windows are grouped together. You use Alt + Tab to switch through the applications, and pick a specific window if you wish to.
[23:35] <mongo> Daekdroom: not a feature, a regresson
[23:36] <Daekdroom> A regression is an unintentional reappearance of a bug or lack of a feature.
[23:36] <mongo> ok what is the intentional lack of a feature :)
[23:36] <Daekdroom> A feature.
[23:36] <Daekdroom> A different point of view.
[23:37] <Daekdroom> I really don't see what's wrong with Alt + Tab
[23:37] <mongo> Daekdroom: ya, taking hot keys, a power user feature, and trying to make them noob friendly
[23:37] <Daekdroom> Specially when most apps are aiming for a single window.
[23:37] <mongo> Daekdroom: lets say you have a config doc, a terminal and a log window
[23:38] <mongo> Daekdroom: it breaks the FIFO action every OS has had for decades now
[23:38] <Daekdroom> FIFO?
[23:39] <mongo> first in first out, but lets say you are reading docs in a broswer and need do work in a terminal
[23:39] <mongo> alt tab brings up all terms and blocks the view
[23:39] <mongo> you have to go off of home row to "fix" the feature :)
[23:39] <Daekdroom> I still don't get what you're saying.
[23:39] <mongo> but it did inspire me to help xfce get krb5 working
[23:39] <Daekdroom> What do you mean by 'brings up all terms'?
[23:40] <mongo> Daekdroom: e.g. right now I have two compiles going, this terminal and a browser
[23:40] <Daekdroom> If I want a specific terminal to show up, I press Alt + Tab til it's at the terminal, then before releasing Alt, I press the Down arrow and pick the right window I want.
[23:40] <mongo> alt-tab will bring all terms to the front and block the entire browser window
[23:40] <nathwill> so... unity should do, alt-tab cycles between applications, alt-backtick cycles between windows of same application
[23:41] <Daekdroom> and even if I don't do that, it doesn't bring all the windows.
[23:41] <Daekdroom> nathwill, down-arrow key instead of backtick works too, I think
[23:41] <mongo> Daekdroom: to use down arrow you have to leave the home row of the keyboard
[23:41] <mongo> thus it is not power user friendly
[23:41] <mongo> it takes more time and thought to do work
[23:41] <nathwill> daekdroom, if you already have the alt-tab menu open
[23:41] <mongo> vs, I want two windows ago alt-tab-tab
[23:41] <Daekdroom> Oh. Right.
[23:41] <Daekdroom> Well, Tab is close enough to the backtick, regardless.
[23:42] <Daekdroom> So I don't see how it takes time anyway.
[23:42] <Daekdroom> (but I'm particularly used to using the arrow keys)
[23:42] <mongo> alt "grave" as gnome calls it doesn't fix the inter app issue
[23:42] <Daekdroom> How so?
[23:42] <Daekdroom> I press Tab if I want to go to the next application, I press 'grave' if I want to pick a window.
[23:42] <mongo> Daekdroom: you have to think if it is the same app or not
[23:42] <Daekdroom> .....
[23:42] <Daekdroom> and that is difficult?
[23:42] <mongo> and if you alt tab and alt grave you are still blocking the original app
[23:43] <mongo> you have to go and minimize all other windows
[23:43] <Daekdroom> No, you don't.
[23:43] <Daekdroom> There'll be only one window on top of the one you were previously using.
[23:43] <mongo> OK open 3 terms, open a browser, open a 4th term hit alt-tab and tell me how to get back to the last term I used without them all going up or leaving the home row
[23:44] <Daekdroom> What the hell is a home row?
[23:44] <nathwill> i'm assuming home-keys
[23:44] <mongo> the asdfjkl; keys
[23:44] <nathwill> which is a strange argument, because alt-tab requires leaving home-keys
[23:44] <mongo> well not on my kb :) but i've been a unix guy for 30 years :)
[23:45] <mongo> tab and caps lock are swapped on my kb
[23:45] <mouth1> at least the SHIFT-crew is still in place then :)
[23:45] <mongo> and I can still do alt tab with my fingers on sdf
[23:45] <nathwill> uh huh...
[23:45] <Daekdroom> Then why don't you pick different shortcuts?
[23:45] <Daekdroom> Because the default shortcuts are thought for standard keyboards.
[23:46] <Daekdroom> In which it's likely one will have to leave the home-keys.
[23:46] <mongo> Daekdroom: gnome doesn't give you the option to go back to the old fifo alt-tab
[23:46] <mongo> it's a 'feature' :)
[23:46] <Daekdroom> Like I'm saying, the interface is not thought for your keyboard.
[23:46] <mongo> Daekdroom: it's to try and be pretty :)
[23:47] <mongo> Daekdroom: what was wrong with a fifo alt-tab?
[23:47] <Daekdroom> What is wrong with the current alt-tab, given one is using a default keyboard?
[23:47] <mongo> your thumb can't hit alt?
[23:48] <nathwill> mongo, elevate your wrists! you'll get carpal tunnel!
[23:48] <nathwill> sit up straight! ;)
[23:48] <nathwill> if your thumb can't hit alt, you either have a monster keyboard or your wrist is blocking
[23:48] <mongo> nathwill: my wrists are :) I learned to type on a typewriter :)
[23:49] <Aeriel> hi, is anyone having trouble with ssh connections on 12.04??
[23:49] <Aeriel> my ssh-client on ubuntu treats my ecdsa key on my server as a RSA key
[23:50] <mongo> but still, hot keys are ment for economy of motion, even if you have bad form moving to alt-tab is less than moving to the arrow keys on a desktop keyboard
[23:50] <Aeriel> and therefore it says that my password is incorrect
[23:51] <mongo> Aeriel: do you not have the prefex? is it just the key in the file?
[23:51] <Aeriel> its the key that sshd generates
[23:51] <mongo> oh wait, what is the error?
[23:51] <Aeriel> but i can connect from other pc's
[23:51] <Aeriel> but the ubuntu client treats the key as an RSA
[23:52] <Aeriel> (it shows an rsa fingerprint)
[23:52] <mongo> Aeriel: I have no issue, what OS is the server on?
[23:52] <Aeriel> arch linux
[23:52] <Aeriel> but the openssh are in the same version
[23:53] <mongo> try adding -vvv to the ssh key and see what it is saying, but I would think it would be an arch issue, I just tried to fbsd, debian rhel4 rhel4 rhel6 centos ubuntu and solaris
[23:53] <Aeriel> humm kay
[23:53] <Aeriel> but
[23:54] <mongo> arch is on 5.9p1?
[23:54] <Aeriel> yes
[23:55] <Aeriel> the strange thing is that when I force the using of protocol 2 in both computers
[23:55] <mongo> i'm guessing something is broken on the sshd_conf file
[23:55] <Aeriel> that error of "Protocol version mismatch: 2 vs 1"
[23:55] <Aeriel> ** i get
[23:56] <mongo> but your 12.04 client can ssh to other hosts? and other clients can connect to your arch box?
[23:56] <Aeriel> other clients can connect to my arch box
[23:56] <Aeriel> i didnt tried to connect from ubuntu to another hosts because i didnt had any
[23:56] <Aeriel> :S
[23:57] <mongo> ssh to localhost