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agoodm(I need 12.04 for track pad to work correctly and some other stuff)00:00
agoodmnot yet... I could really do with fixing this one if that makes any sense though00:00
dogmatic69agoodm: even from power off, or is it from suspend / hibernate?00:00
hamitronI'd create a 2nd home directory, then tweak /etc/passwd to test00:01
agoodmI havent tried from suspend yet00:01
dogmatic69no, I figure something funny was saved in your session after suspend.00:01
dogmatic69see what is in startups. you can click the power button top right and 'startup applications'00:02
agoodmstartup applications has 6 apps ive added00:02
agoodmthe two most recent ive unchecked 'just in case'00:02
dogmatic69maybe remove them one by one and see00:03
dogmatic69or remove all and add them one by one00:03
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agoodmJust to update the kind folks that were helping me earlier;00:30
agoodmI managed to track down the application that was screwing up my startup00:30
agoodmthe method I used may be useful for other people in the future...00:31
agoodmI added gnome-terminal -x top to the startup applications00:31
agoodmthen rebooted00:31
agoodmwhen my machine rebooted and I logged in obviously a terminal with top opened right up as it was grinding to a halt, the application that was frozen at the top of the list was skype, after 3 minutes of unresponsiveness I noticed skype was closed00:32
agoodmI completely tested by unckecking skype from startup; and all was OK00:33
agoodmthe fix was to uninstall skype completely and reinstall it00:33
agoodmvery weird issue!!!00:33
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matttmorning06:33
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daubersMorning07:26
MartijnVdS\o07:26
czajkowskialoha08:10
TheOpenSourcererAfternoon czajkowski08:10
diploMorning all08:15
MooDoomorning all08:25
dwatkinshiya08:26
AlanBellmorning all08:37
JamesTaitGood morning all!08:42
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:54
dwatkinshi folks, we have snow in Edinburgh09:02
dwatkinslooks like it's just us, though.09:02
Garywe have nice sun here in essex09:03
mumpermoin09:04
dwatkinsmoin moin, mumper09:04
mumperdwatkins: Hi09:06
MartijnVdSAll we get is rain :(09:10
brobostigonwe have bright sun here.09:10
brobostigonscattered clouds.09:11
dwatkinsthat's it for snow here, I reckon, just a bit wet outside now.09:14
gordstop talking about snow, if we just ignore the cold weather it will go away and we can go back to getting to summer09:15
MartijnVdSooh.. I see blue outside!09:15
MartijnVdSbetween the clouds!09:16
dwatkinsnot in the next week or so according to http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Edinburgh/long.html09:16
MartijnVdShttp://buienradar.nl/weerbericht_Nederland_komende_5_tot_9_dagen.aspx?bron=3 \o/09:17
MartijnVdSsnow predicted for next Saturday09:17
MartijnVdSಠ_ಠ09:17
MartijnVdSbut also 10°C.. it's climate change gone wild09:18
dwatkinsIf I zoom in on those characters I see boxes wioth 'Kannada' and '0C80 0CFF'09:20
MartijnVdSdwatkins: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/%E0%B2%A0%E0%B2%A0-look-of-disapproval09:21
dwatkinsThe seasons are also shifting, scarily. It was bad enough that the south of England nicked our weather recently ;)09:21
popeyʘ‿ಠ09:21
bigcalmClock work orange09:21
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: I suspected that was what you meant ;)09:21
gordyou guys are the worst, you are going to anger the weather gods, who are already constantly pretty angry at the uk anyway09:21
MartijnVdS(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻09:21
bigcalmMorning peeps :)09:21
* dwatkins goes to find his metal armour so he can hike up Arthur's Seat and shout insults at the weather dieties09:21
dwatkinsdeities, perhaps09:22
MartijnVdSDeities schmeities09:22
shaunoYou'd think someone living below sea level would have a little bit more respect for the rain gods09:23
dwatkinsMartijnVdS is spongebob squarepants? ;) (I know, he lives inside a reclaimed area fo the sea)09:24
MartijnVdSshauno: We stole that land from the sea gods anyway.09:24
MartijnVdSdwatkins: ...09:24
dwatkinsah, so you've already angered Poseidon...09:25
dwatkinsToday I copied and pasted a facebook status meme... http://hastebin.com/raw/coyusabohu09:26
dwatkinsI don't normally do this, but I thought it was quite an amusing response to the constant copying and pasting of such things.09:29
MartijnVdSit's like "I'm a signature virus"09:29
dwatkinsyes, at least it's not as bad as the 'please manually delete your data' virus.09:30
MartijnVdShonor system viruses 8-)09:31
bigcalmBacon o/09:32
* popey had bacon09:32
brobostigon:)09:33
* dwatkins wants bacon now09:33
* brobostigon has bacon in the fridge,09:33
* dwatkins will be obtaining some on the way home09:34
bigcalmYour parcel is on the vehicle for delivery, due between 10:55 - 11:5509:35
popeyhehe09:35
* bigcalm stares out of the window09:35
popey"Out for delivery - 10 April 2012 7:58:33 "09:35
* popey stares out his window too09:35
bigcalmWhat goodies have you ordered?09:36
bigcalmOr is this your replacement ipad?09:36
popeyno, ipad arrived last week09:36
bigcalmWas it a 1 or 3?09:36
popey109:37
bigcalmAh well :)09:37
popeylike for like09:37
popeygood enough for me ☺09:37
popeytoday xbox + kinect is arriving09:37
bigcalmOoo09:37
bigcalmWhich is cheaper than having the old xbox repaired?09:38
dwatkinspopey: did you get the Star Wars one?09:38
popeyno09:38
dwatkinsI treated myself, it makes R2D2 sounds when you open the disc tray :D09:38
bigcalmHow sweet09:39
gordthat star wars kinect game should be burnt, we, as humanity should refuse its inclusion to our culture09:39
bigcalmdwatkins: I bet it gets old quickly09:39
dwatkinsbigcalm: I could describe the number of R2D2 related things I have, that might give you an idea how unlikely that is ;)09:40
popeyi dont actually rate star wars09:40
popeyyay, just "found" another HP microserver in the garage ☺09:44
dwatkinspopey has a magical garage which spawns computer hardware.09:45
popeyi do09:46
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davmor2morning all10:00
* oimon wonders if there is possibly an uglier gui than calibre10:05
gordonjcpoimon: xastir10:09
oimongordonjcp, motif style apps are indeed ugly10:10
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bigcalmI can has microserver!10:23
bigcalmIt looks so cute10:23
davmor2bigcalm: Yay! now to find out how you do setting it up Muhahahahahahahaha10:23
* popey has USB stick with 12.04 server alternate on it10:26
bigcalmYou make it sound like it's a bad thing10:26
bigcalmI have a USB DVD drive if need be, but I also have 12.04 on a USB stick10:26
gordshould really start moving my various installs over to 12.04 soon, i was stupid and didn't install the previous lts, lots of downloading to do10:27
diploheh gord same here :)10:27
* diplo wants another 2 x 2 tb drives but really can't afford it yet10:28
gordin my defence, it was mostly to get at better alsas so i could get proper hdmi audio support on my revos10:28
diploheh, my revo is still on 9.04/10, can't remember which10:29
diploWas waiting for 12 to update10:29
dogmatic69I have some folders mounted over the network with sshfs and when clicking to open something it always pops up saying run in terminal / open etc.10:46
dogmatic69even for images or txt files10:46
dogmatic69how can I get it to just open?10:46
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oimondogmatic69, i don't have that problem (browsing with nautilus)10:51
dogmatic69I am using nautilus too10:51
oimon(browsing remote ssh )10:51
bigcalmOh, that's handy10:51
bigcalmChecked my account and I've been paid already10:51
bigcalmSame day that my server arrived10:51
oimonlooks like i have the worlds slowest usb stick10:52
oimon1mb/s10:53
AlanBellboth new chickens are laying already \o/10:54
diploQuite happy already then AlanBell10:55
diplofrom my little knowledge10:55
diploGot to be settled in first normally ?10:55
AlanBellthey seem quite keen to provide me with yummy eggs10:57
diplo:)10:57
bigcalmAlanBell: ex-PoW chickens?10:57
diploAnyone got any idea if you can tell if a CentOS server is awaiting a reboot ? Or ubuntu, I'm guessing htey do it the same way10:58
bigcalmLog in as an admin or root and it might tell you along with the motd?10:59
popey /var/run/reboot-required10:59
popeyon ubuntu10:59
diploCheers popey10:59
diplonah nowt there11:00
diploWas for bigcalm the second one :)11:00
diploStill looking in /var/run, it's not the end of the world anyhoo :)11:01
* bigcalm puts on some REM11:01
AlanBellbigcalm: no, I thought about ex-pow types, but they are a bit harder to introduce to others, you kind of need two pens or they get beaten up11:07
BigRedSdiplo: compare uname with menu.lst?11:08
diploWorth a try thanks11:09
bigcalmAlanBell: :(11:10
bigcalmIs it lunch time?11:10
Neotican anyone help with this zoneminder problem :  i have a Grandstream GXV3601_HD IP Cam, and trying to get it to work with Zoneminder, i have added it as a remote/monitor with the url as http://192.168.201.48/goform/stream?cmd=get&channel=0, which i got from Grandstream, if i put this in a webbrowser i see the stream as mjpeg, if i put the stream in zoneminder i get nothing, also if i run eithereal at the same time i dont s11:10
bigcalmI've been paid, might sneak in a sub11:11
MooDoobigcalm: i've been paid, might sneak in a laptop for the misses :s  not that i know what type to get here lol11:12
bigcalmHeh11:13
davmor2bigcalm: no I was thinking more of the do you go 12.04 or 10.04, if you go 12.04 do you use some of the funky new tools to make it work or do you stick with manual config of config files etc11:13
bigcalmI just bought myself a server, need to calm down on spending now ;)11:13
davmor2MooDoo: me owlde mucka 'ow am ya11:13
bigcalmdavmor2: are there known hardware issues?11:13
MooDoodavmor2: cracking, deciding on a lappy to get the misses.11:14
bigcalmI guess I could install 10.04 and then upgrade to 12.04 next month11:14
popeythinkpad, no other laptop exists11:14
popeybigcalm: i am putting 12.04 on my microserver right now11:14
bigcalmBut that seems like wasted effort to me11:14
popey+111:14
bigcalmpopey: oo, you rebel11:14
popeyi have nothing left <12.04 other than my vps11:15
MooDoopopey: ooo quite cheap at the moment too11:15
davmor2bigcalm: no it's just the decisions you have to make11:16
bigcalmMooDoo: I just bought this: http://www.serversplus.com/servers/tower_servers/hp_tower_servers/658553-42111:16
bigcalmMooDoo: 100 quid cashback. So will end up having paid about 150 quid11:16
MooDoobigcalm: cool, no screen and a bit big for my misses knee ;) lol11:17
bigcalmOh, you were referring to popey talking about laptops11:17
bigcalmI shall go back to sleep11:17
MooDoobigcalm: :)  might have to get one myself though lol11:17
oimonchromium doesn't work on my eee  pc :(11:18
bigcalmI've got one to replace my Revo11:18
bigcalmThe Revo will then go to my parents to replace their Viglen MPC-L11:18
bigcalmAnybody want 2 PoS Viglen MPC-L?11:18
oimonnow someone needs to mention joggler11:18
gordno but i'll take the revo ;)11:18
bigcalmoimon: I have one on my bedside table11:18
bigcalmgord: go fish :P11:19
gordi'm fully willing to accept any and all revos going!11:19
bigcalmoimon: the joggler is waiting for a useable Android ISO11:19
gordandroid on intel with pulsebo graphics, fun times11:19
bigcalmRevo makes me think of Reavers from Firefly11:20
oimonmakes think of psion revo11:20
oimonahhh11:20
oimonwow, seen this helicopter fail? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0poa_helicopter-shakes-itself-apart-on-landing-in-brazil_news?fb_action_ids=10151503105660187&fb_action_types=video.watches&fb_source=other_multiline&error_reason=user_denied&error=access_denied&error_description=The+user+denied+your+request.#_=_11:24
gordi don't think you need like, 90% of that url11:24
oimonyeah11:25
oimonsorry11:25
oimontoo much effort11:25
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* bigcalm finds lunch before he throws up :S11:26
bigcalmDamn this stress11:26
davmor2bigcalm: what stress :P11:30
bigcalm2 4 day weeks in a row11:31
davmor2bigcalm: you could of done work on you're day off then it would of been 2 5 day weeks11:32
bigcalmdavmor2: I did work every day of the 4 day weekend11:33
bigcalmI will sleep better once this project is live11:33
davmor2bigcalm: so why are you complaining ;)11:33
davmor2popey: for the next few days can you use update manager for updates please and let me know out of those times how often you see the window with the progress bar in it, trying to find out if it is just me or not11:38
gordnew ubuntu wallpapers are nice, i should really submit a bunch of pictures of my cat every time they do these things11:39
popeydavmor2: sure11:39
davmor2popey: ta11:39
popeywhich dialog though?11:40
popeyoooh, crash11:40
popeyif i click "check" I get a dialog11:40
bigcalmI really need jockey to be fixed. My laptop can't cope with Minecraft on the generic ATI driver11:41
davmor2popey: reported it11:41
popeyi am applying updates, i see a dialog with a progress bar11:42
popeywhats the problem?11:42
davmor2popey: I don't always,  I'm guessing it is a race condition but it's hard to replicate and might just be my system,  I see the progress bar in the icon on the launcher just not the dialog window11:43
davmor2popey: It's more just confirmation that it's my system or not11:46
davmor2popey: also bug #977956 I'm guessing for your crash11:46
lubotu3Launchpad bug 977956 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in pkgCache::VerIterator::TranslatedDescription()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97795611:46
gordonjcpHP microserver users, can you remember (or for that matter can you check) if it has a serial port or not?12:01
* popey looks at the one on his desk12:02
dwatkinshttp://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13716_na/13716_na.HTML gordonjcp?12:02
popeynope12:02
dwatkinstime for a USB serial adapter, I assume12:03
popeyor pcie card12:03
gordonjcpdwatkins: I haven't got web access12:03
dwatkinsgordonjcp: ah ok12:03
* gordonjcp is at work which has the most astonishingly broken internet connection12:04
dwatkinscan you not even ssh -D to proxy to something, gordonjcp?12:05
gordonjcpdwatkins: not really, since it's not actually passing any traffic12:07
gordonjcpdwatkins: I imagine it'll come back at some point, but at the moment I have a whopping 1200bps to play with12:10
gordonjcpI can't believe a communications company fails this hard at communications12:13
dogmatic69random bug12:39
dogmatic69all my nautalis windows have some how moved half off the top of the screen12:40
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dwatkinsgordonjcp: I know the feeling, I work for a software company ;)12:43
matttlove the timing of this hose pipe ban12:50
dwatkinshaa, a hose pipe ban? It's been tipping it down all day here.12:51
bigcalmSadly it doesn't work like that :)12:51
bigcalmRain on the day of the ban is only useful if you have a water butt12:52
MooDoodwatkins: wrong type of rain.12:52
dwatkinsI'll go for a hike to check we have plenty of water in the reservoirs.12:53
mattti know this rain isn't substantial :)12:56
matttbut the timing was funny, felt like they just announced it then the weather turned12:56
dwatkinsI've heard many people visiting the UK say that they think it rains all the time here.12:57
matttit does up north, no?  :)12:57
dwatkinsheh, I thought it rained all the time in Wales - when I last drove west across the Severn Bridge, it started raining the second we finished crossing it :)12:58
MooDoomattt: sorry, can't hear you as the rain is hitting the window12:58
gordonjcpLondon has less rainfall than Rome, apparently13:00
BigRedSwhen I worked inthe bike shop we had all sorts of stats about london rainfall to help with the prostelytising13:00
BigRedSI think it rains an awful lot more than the statistics suggest13:00
awilkinsI don't think "inches of" matter much compared to "total fraction of normal travelling time experiencing some manner of precipitation"13:01
dwatkinsI think statistics can be interpretted in many ways ;)13:01
BigRedSawilkins: IIRC, something like 14 commutes a year are rained on13:02
BigRedSthe stats were all that sort of thing13:02
awilkinsOnly 14, blimey13:02
BigRedSyeah, and we did end up conceding that it was basically right13:03
awilkinsMind, I live Oop North13:03
BigRedSfor a start, all of us only ever cycled anywhere, and one of us bothered to own a jacket13:03
dwatkinsawilkins: North of England, or North of Hadrian's Wall? ;)13:03
BigRedSwell, a waterproof one13:03
awilkinsdwatkins, Wigan, commuting to Leeds13:03
oimoncan someone explain instagram to me: do you have to have the app to browse someones photos?13:04
awilkinsFortunately my waiting time at Stalybridge station is limited to once a day13:04
MooDoooimon: yes i think you do, unless they are using a wordpress or similar script to dislpay the images.13:04
dwatkinsawilkins: ah I see, I cycle to work in Edinburgh ;)13:04
awilkinsStalybridge is at a high altitude and is frequently quite cold / snowy / windy13:04
dwatkinsoimon: I don't think so, it's just an easy way to put photos on facebook and add effects that make them look like they were taken in the 70s13:05
oimoni think flickr are complete numpties for missing a trick on that. all they had to do was create an app with additional filters. the infrastructure for sharing photos already existed, and so did userbase13:05
MooDooflickr are getting rid of staff as well13:05
oimondwatkins, is that because iphone had crap filter effects?13:05
shaunoflickr's missed a *lot* of tricks since yahoo took them over.  it feels like it's been left to rot13:05
oimonif flickr released an app like taht even now, i'd use it13:06
MooDoosmugmug need one too13:06
oimoni can only wonder what their staff are actually doing13:06
dwatkinsoimon: for 'crap' read 'none' ;)13:06
gordi think flickr are more interested in the more professional side, not on the 8 million crappy phone pictures of someones party side13:07
oimongord, that seems to be worth $1billion to facebook somehow13:07
gordonjcpright, sod this13:08
gordonjcpAlanBell: you're an OpenERP-er, aren't you?13:08
gordsure, but thats because the facebook demographic is people who want to look at 8  million crappy phone pictures of someones party. flickr's demographic is more about looking at good photographs, i doubt they want the flood of terrible phone pictures they would get with something like that13:09
gordonjcpwhat would be a rough ballpark price for getting someone in to set up an OpenERP system for a smallish company, say a dozen employees or so?13:09
gordonjcpsetup and training, ideally13:09
AlanBellhi gordonjcp13:09
AlanBelldepends a bit on what they do13:09
gordonjcplet's assume it's a small company that sells radios and radio systems, with sales from about a tenner up to maybe 30 grand13:10
oimongord, you make it sound like flick have a plan/clue13:10
AlanBellgordonjcp: so a bit of stock management and accountancy stuff, but not manufacturing13:10
gordonjcpexactly13:11
gordonjcpany "manufacturing" would be one-off knocking up of wee custom boxes for interfacing things, rather than large-scale production13:11
AlanBellany international stuff (import/export/customs/shipping)13:11
gordonjcpnot really, no13:12
gordonjcpor, "chance would be a fine thing..."13:12
popeybigcalm: switched 160GB HDD for 120GB SSD in my HP Microserver :D13:26
popeySSD CRAZY!13:26
MooDooSSD rocks.13:27
Seeker`SSD \o/13:27
Seeker`I need to put one in my mythfrontend13:28
popeymy xbmc frontend has one too13:28
Seeker`my desktop and my backend have them13:28
Seeker`just not upgraded my frontend in a while13:28
gordis there much need for an ssd in an xbmc frontend?13:29
oimonmake backups :P SSD seem to die horribly and die young13:29
bigcalmpopey: haven't decided if my Microserver is to get an SSD or not13:30
AlanBellI am tempted to get either an SSD or a hybrid for my laptop13:30
AlanBellwhat do you think of this? http://www.ebuyer.com/321969-momentus-xt-750gb-sata-2-5in-7200rpm-hybrid-8gb-ssd-in-st750lx00313:31
bigcalmI was going to get an SSD for the revo when 12.04 came out. But I've spent my money getting a Microserver :D13:31
Seeker`gord: you can get away with a very small SSD, which is about the same price as a x00GB HDD13:31
bigcalmAnd now I need 2 new front tyers!13:31
popeybug 97803213:32
lubotu3Launchpad bug 978032 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "partitioning step doesn't have "discard" as a selectable mount option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97803213:32
davmor2popey: you are back in the era of the psion aren't you with your ssd fetish13:33
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gordSeeker`, sure, if you are building from scratch13:33
popeypsion?13:34
davmor2bigcalm: I can point you to a cheap but good tyre place in wolvo if that helps13:34
popeyAlanBell: do you need 750GB in your laptop?13:34
popeyhe says with only 11GB free in his13:35
davmor2popey: http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/psion/psion5_big.jpg13:35
AlanBellpopey: I appear to have used 242GB13:35
bigcalmdavmor2: ta, but tyers are just expensive for my car13:35
davmor2popey: it had software carts that were called ssd long before it was cool :)13:36
popeyAlanBell: http://www.ebuyer.com/260707-ocz-240gb-vertex-3-ssd-2-5-sata-iii-6gb-s-read-550mb-s-write-520mb-s-vtx3-25sat3-240g13:36
popeythats what's in my laptop13:36
mgdmBlimey13:36
mgdmthat's more than I paid for my laptop13:37
popeyyeah, its not cheap13:37
popeystupid fast though ☺13:37
gordwanted to get an ssd for the laptop, but decided to fund a holiday later in the year instead :(13:37
gordan x220 just isn't complete without an ssd13:37
bigcalmpopey: you bought that?13:37
bigcalmOh my13:38
popeyya13:38
bigcalmpopey: rounds are on mr money bags come the 14th July13:38
bigcalm:P13:38
popey:p13:40
popeytechnically my company bought it :p13:40
bigcalmYay no vat13:41
dwatkinsI looked at SSDs, then bought a hybrid disk that's bigger ;)13:42
popeyi cant recall where but I saw some horror stories about those hybrids which put me off13:42
AlanBellI am a bit suspicious about the lack of loads of the things13:43
* daubers ponders going home and going to bed13:44
gordwho needs storage space when you have the cloud ;)13:45
MooDooo/ me13:45
* AlanBell likes lots of virtualbox machines13:46
dwatkinsWell, mine is made by Seagate, and it's in my laptop, but I see your points. popey - if you find the source, I'd be interested to hear more13:46
AlanBellI could cope with fewer actually on the laptop13:46
dwatkinsgord: until you can run a virtual machine off the cloud, me ;)13:48
gordwhat about that ubuntu demo we had13:48
gordeven then, you could completely have a central box that does all the virtual machine stuff with storage, then vnc/whatever into that13:50
gordbeen tempted to do that before13:50
AlanBellsometimes that works13:50
AlanBelloften I want a local VM running some kind of server, and I access it with a web browser running on the host13:51
AlanBellwhich I could do in other ways13:51
dwatkinsI tend to leave my VMs on a server (vmware 2.0) and access them via the web interface13:52
BigRedSdwatkins: isn't the cloud just a bunch of virtual machines?14:07
dwatkinsBigRedS: yeah, but if you could mount a remote filesystem (there are several attempts at making one from a gmail account, and I think Google are considering releasing a FS client) that would be handy14:09
dwatkinswhen people say 'the cloud' they just mean 'online', it may be the data is on just one machine, they don't know either way.14:10
BigRedSI thought Google closed down whatever gmailfs used?14:10
dwatkinsI gather Google store data in a very complex way, backed up on multiple systems etc.14:10
dwatkinsah ok, that'll be why I havn't heard of it recently14:10
BigRedSbut, yeah, I was being a tad facetious :) Lots of our customers like the term 'cloud'14:10
dwatkinsindeed, as do ours (probably our own fault for releasing software which mentions it specifically)14:10
BigRedSwe're wondering whether we could get away with calling old-fashioned rent-a-homedir shared hosting 'the cloud'14:11
BigRedSoh, we've avoided using the term, and are wondering if that's why we're not selling vms very quickly14:11
dwatkinshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_File_System - Despite having published details on technologies like the Google File System, Google has not released the software as open source and shows little interest in selling it. The only way it is available to another enterprise is in embedded form..."14:11
BigRedSOh, yeah, I didn't realise anyone was expecting that14:12
dwatkinsexpecting?14:12
BigRedSA few years ago there was a fuse thing going round for mounting gmail mailboxes as filesystem14:12
BigRedSs14:12
BigRedSthat's what I thought you meanty14:12
BigRedS*meant14:12
dwatkinsyeah, I'd heard of it a while ago, doesn't surprise me they shut it down14:12
dwatkinsI thought there was talk more recently of a client to mount your google homedirectory, not sure if I dreamed it, though14:13
BigRedSOooh, chromeOS style14:13
BigRedSThat'd be nifty; have drop-box style access to whatever the homedir equivalent is on chromeos14:13
BigRedSassuming that doesn't do a wave14:14
dwatkinsindeed, although I can see there being many potential pitfalls relating to the amount and type of content14:14
dwatkins"Your home directory has been disabled because ti contains too much pink" ;)14:14
BigRedSActually, it doesn't make sense for chromeos to see it as a block device. It'd just be an object store like s3 or something14:15
BigRedShaha14:15
Myrttipink mentioned14:15
dwatkinsMyrtti: it was a pterry misquote ;)14:15
dwatkinsthe demon in the camera box said he'd run out of pink in the harem or something14:15
dwatkinsanyway *ahem* moving on14:15
dwatkinsI gather you can write APIs to access the Amazon store, but you can't mount it directly, I think there are some clients, not sure how mature/stable they are14:16
BigRedSs3? there's a fuse driver for it14:17
dwatkinsnifty, I thought you couldn't use it from the UK but perhaps that's changed.14:17
BigRedSYeah, I've a few machines using it to backup I think14:17
BigRedSi'm supposed to be using s3sync instead now, but I don't think everyone is14:18
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dwatkins...which is apparently no longer being developed14:19
BigRedSdwatkins: you mean it's stable? :)14:21
BigRedS(which the fuse s3 driver isn't)14:21
dwatkinshaha, I wouldn't go that far14:21
BigRedSwell, it's unchanging :)14:21
dwatkinsI see what you did there, BigRedS14:21
BigRedSI'm a debian user, I like things that aren't updated much14:22
dwatkinsThe phrase "EU bucket support" suggests I could use it, I shall investigate further this evening.14:22
oimonanyone tried using bumblebee video card swtiching?14:29
popeyi dont have a dual card system, so no14:30
oimoni do , but finding documentation rather lacking14:30
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czajkowskiAlanBell: seen the chicken that liked to stand on one leg http://pix.ie/czajkowski/2809009/in/album/43797714:35
oimonthere is something seriously odd with this vaio laptop. when booting into bios mode it chugs out serious heat and fan goes crazy14:35
diploIsn't that normal VAIO behaviour14:36
diploI had one that was like that all the time, and bosses new one is like it as well14:36
BigRedSyeah, when it comes to space heating, Sony seems to be the new Apple14:36
diploSeem to run hot and fans go all the time14:36
bigcalmOn my current phone plan, I can pay 200 quid and have a HTC One X. Don't know if I want that now or wait for the SGS3 to come out :(14:37
bigcalmCould have the SGS2 for 190 quid14:37
dwatkinsI've not had a phone plan that gives me a phone for years, I just buy them outright and get a SIM-only deal.14:37
diploMe to dwatkins14:38
davmor2czajkowski: prod just cause I havent14:38
diploExcept I'd like a more powerful phone, next thing on the savings list14:38
czajkowskidavmor2: herrrro14:40
dwatkinsI was very hesitant to get a smartphone, I prefer discrete devices in general.14:43
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AlanBellczajkowski: nice chicken15:17
AlanBellczajkowski: I got some new ones, I have 4 now15:17
czajkowskiAlanBell: yay15:18
czajkowskiAlanBell: we wer up at Bunratty, then out to the cliffs of moher and down to lahinch for munchables15:18
AlanBellI see you went to the cliffs  of moher15:18
AlanBellBunratty is interesting15:19
czajkowskiyup was a lot of fun15:19
AlanBellso you are still out there?15:20
czajkowskime yuip till the 22nd15:20
dogmatic69in bash what is this $$? BACKUP=/tmp/backup.$$15:26
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BigRedS$$ is teh PID of the current process15:30
dogmatic69ah15:30
dogmatic69so they using it like a random number there15:31
BigRedSwell, to get a uniqueish filename, yeah15:31
MooDoo40 on sunday :S eeeeeeeeeeeeek15:31
BigRedSit's a pretty common way to do it, so you can be fairly sure that no other process is creating filenames ending with your PID15:31
BigRedS'cause using random numbers is more open to collision15:32
dogmatic69ye15:33
AlanBellMooDoo: 0x2515:33
dogmatic69:( apt-get install -> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)15:33
AlanBellerr, 0x28 even15:34
MooDooAlanBell: that's the one.15:34
bigcalmHow does one install a server only type setup?15:41
bigcalmI don't want the GUI installed and running all the time15:41
BigRedSbigcalm: with the alternative install CD15:42
BigRedSI think there might even be a server one...15:42
bigcalmAha, thank you15:42
AlanBellthere is a server install cd15:42
AlanBellI have lots of them15:42
GirlyGirlbigcalm: Not the alternate install cd, either the server or minimal cd15:42
BigRedSDoesn't teh alternate CD do it? I'm sure that's all I've ever used15:43
BigRedSbut I don't think I hav3e for a long time15:43
AlanBellthat has a text mode installer and can do the OEM install and some more complicated RAID setups, not sure if it can do no-gui though15:43
BigRedSah, fair enough. Maybve I've just mis-remembered15:44
bigcalmSome overlapping text when viewing http://mirror01.th.ifl.net/releases//precise/ in chromium15:45
AlanBellbigcalm: right until you launch the developer tools, then it fixes itself magically :(15:47
AlanBellor refresh15:48
bigcalmRefreshed and it fixed itself15:48
bigcalmWhat an odd page15:48
bigcalmDo you think that 12.04 is ready to use in anger on my home dev server and just upgrade as and when needed. Or wipe and reinstall come 26th?16:10
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dogmatic69bigcalm: I am using the desktop version and its ok. I am sure the server has less problems because there is no unity16:15
bigcalm:)16:15
popeyyes bigcalm16:21
popeyjust upgrade16:21
gordi think that means you can #blamepopey if everything goes wrong ;)16:22
davmor2gord: I thought that was compulsory16:23
popeyseems it16:23
AlanBellanyone got a few minutes to fill in this consultation document? http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/16:35
bigcalmServer is up and running \o/16:41
bigcalmIt's noisier than the Revo :(16:41
StevenRbigcalm: take the fans out. You probably don't need those.16:43
StevenRbigcalm: either that, or get lots of revos and cluster them16:44
* bigcalm rolls his eyes16:45
AlanBellimagine a beowulf clus . . . oh, that meme is out of date16:46
bigcalmJust a little :D16:46
popeybigcalm: how many disks in it?16:53
bigcalm1 atm16:53
bigcalmI'm pondering raid16:53
popeyi have 5 disks in mine16:55
bigcalmDo I want to go ott and get this? http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=B9C4F5D5A5CA730417:06
davmor2bigcalm: it is on the plus side a lot more flexible though17:07
bigcalmQuite a bit cheaper here: http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/9050842/art/crucial/ram-memory-module-2-x-4-g.html?srcid=36917:08
bigcalmJust want to make sure I order the right stuff17:08
shaunowhat's the most sensible way to type foreign accents?  I'm struggling to find most of what I need17:12
davmor2shauno: look up the key code in a charater map17:15
shaunoI can't reach ç with the compose key?17:17
mgdmcompose + c + comma17:17
shaunoah, so they're there, I just have to find them.  that's a start then :)17:19
mgdmacute accents are compose + ' + letter, grave are compose + ` + letter, circumflex is compose + ^ + letter, umlaut (or whatever it's called is compose + " + letter, etc :)17:24
bigcalmI was wrong, the pixmania link is for non-ecc ram17:27
bigcalmDo I really need ECC?17:30
mgdmbigcalm: probably not17:35
bigcalmmgdm: home dev server, if it makes any difference17:39
mgdmI'd guess if it was running a RAID with stuff you cared about on, then maybe17:39
dogmatic69where would i submit a bug for evolution?17:48
davmor2dogmatic69: open a terminal and type "ubuntu-bug evolution17:54
davmor2"17:54
dogmatic69k, just making sure that is the correct place17:54
dogmatic69davmor2: should I search for existing bugs first? some projects dont like dups17:55
davmor2dogmatic69: you can have a look by all means, it's always nice unless it is really old then you can do an up-to-date one17:57
dogmatic69cool17:59
daubersEvening18:16
shaunoI wonder how crazy I'd have to be to just write my own kxb map18:17
davmor2daubers: hello dude18:17
davmor2shauno: highly18:17
AlanBellDaviey: how did you get on with packaging openERP?18:25
OmNomDePlumeDammit, Liverpool scored.19:14
dogmatic69what was that app that you can access any pc/OS from the same kb19:15
dogmatic69can anyone guess a name?19:16
bigcalmSynergy19:16
dwatkinssynergy? vnc?19:16
dwatkins(with x2vnc, at least)19:16
dogmatic69synergy is the one :)19:16
dogmatic69thanks19:16
bigcalm:)19:17
dwatkinsIt's possible to secure synergy, worth doing on anything but a home network, imho, dogmatic6919:17
dogmatic69its a home network, just too lazy to reach over to my laptop19:17
bigcalmIt's very useful19:18
dwatkinswhat OS do the two machines run, dogmatic69?19:18
dogmatic69maybe I should use a virtual desktop or something19:18
dogmatic69then I dont even need to twist my neck19:18
dogmatic69ubuntu + windows19:18
dwatkinsdepends what you're using them for, I have about 5 displays on my desk19:18
dogmatic69lol19:18
dogmatic69I have 1 :(19:19
dogmatic69used to have 2 buy my moms monitor died so gave her one19:19
dogmatic69tbh, I only have the windows laptop to run some SEO apps19:20
dwatkinsthis is a desk which needs synergy http://i.eho.st/pjnl3glv.jpg ;)19:20
dogmatic69there are none for linux19:20
dogmatic69how easy is it to remote desktop to windows from 12.04?19:20
dwatkinsif it's anything like 10.04, it's as easy as typing sudo apt-get install rdesktop && rdesktop <hostname>19:21
dwatkinshttp://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/rdesktop19:22
dogmatic69nice thanks. I will try that19:22
dwatkinslooks like the package still exists, so should work fine, assuming you have remote access setup right19:22
dogmatic69no rdesktop19:23
dogmatic69oh there was, just auto complete was not working19:23
dwatkinshad me wondering there, dogmatic69 ;)19:25
OmNomDePlumerofl Liverpool's keeper's got sent off.19:25
dwatkinsnot for a hand-ball, I assume OmNomDePlume19:26
dogmatic69OmNomDePlume: who they playing?19:27
OmNomDePlumeBlackburn away.19:29
OmNomDePlumedwatkins no, he took out a Blackburn player.19:29
OmNomDePlumeThing is, their #1 keeper is already suspended.19:29
OmNomDePlumeAnd now their #2 keeper just got red carded.19:30
dogmatic69lol19:30
OmNomDePlumeSo in the next match, they have to play some guy who hasn't played in the Premier League for three years.19:30
dogmatic69:D19:31
dogmatic69OmNomDePlume: who do you support?19:31
OmNomDePlumeFC Young Boys.19:32
OmNomDePlumeIt is a real team in Switzerland.19:33
OmNomDePlumeOur greatest rivals: Grasshopper Club Zurich.19:33
dogmatic69lol19:35
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OmNomDePlume"Kubuntu To Be Sponsored By Blue Systems, Rather Than Canonical"19:37
MartijnVdSOmNomDePlume: Startup sound will be the song 'Blue' by Eiffel 6519:40
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ali1234hey remember when i was explaining why switching to a different distro over unity was a perfectly reasonable thing to do, because it was obvious canonical would not put as much resources into alternatives as those other distros do?22:23
ali1234and you were all like "lol, xfce is in the repos, what more you want?"22:23
ali1234well, i guess it turns out that merely packaging up a desktop and putting it in the repos isn't enough to get a working system22:24
alexcockellUmm - I'm not really looking forward to being forced onto Unity...22:26
alexcockellA lot of users are going to be pretty screwed - and they'll be people like me - who bought kit preinstalled...22:27
ali1234it's the only decent open source desktop with serious resources behind it imo22:27
ali1234alexcockell: wouldn't they know what they were buying?22:28
popeyi guess he means people who bought a machine with 10.04 and are upgrading to 12.0422:29
ali1234i suppose. i heard opensuse is pretty easy to install tho...22:30
alexcockellOr like me - bought a machine with 8.04, accepted upgrade to 10.04...22:30
ali1234isn't it about time for a hardware upgrade then?22:30
alexcockellThinkpad R61i should be fine...22:31
alexcockellI hope..22:31
alexcockellOr my Lenovo Ideapad S12...22:31
dwatkinsali1234: last time I used Debian, I was impressed with the integration between window managers - you could even switch between them, iirc.22:31
ali1234hopefully someone will step up and provide real long term support (ie as long as anyone wants to pay for it) for 10.0422:32
alexcockellMight it be a case of sending my machines back to Linux Emporium?22:32
ali1234after 4 years?22:32
ali1234actually i suspect that by the time 10.04 support really runs out gnome will have got their act together and made something actually usable22:33
ali1234they've already done a huge u-turn on gnome-panel from what i can tell22:33
alexcockellAnd will it be available via Upgrade Manager?22:33
ali1234sure22:34
alexcockell... by the time 10.04 goes EOL?22:34
ali1234it's available now if you can stand to use the buggy gnome-panel 3.022:34
alexcockellNo.  Would want to just accept the upgrade in place like I did from Hardy to Lucid - and have the fucker work...22:34
alexcockell... like it did... i waited 3-4 months in when accepting the updates...22:35
alexcockell.. sorry upGRADES...22:35
ali1234i have no idea what will happen if you do that22:35
ali1234i'd be suprised if it worked at all tbh22:35
ali1234though they claim they just got it working the other day22:35
ali1234major gtk upgrade was always going to cause problems22:36
ali1234it caused enough from natty to oneiric22:36
alexcockellWas meaning - that waiting for newLTS.1, meant all the real nasties were ironed out.22:36
ali1234yeah that's generally a good idea22:36
ali1234if you do that upgrade i would expect you'll end up with gnome panel still installed22:37
ali1234then you just select it on the login screen22:37
alexcockellHarks back to the behaviour in the commercial world, aka "always wait for SP1"22:37
ali1234but gnome-panel on gtk3 is currently extremely buggy22:37
alexcockellYeah - except I'd be going from 10.04 Netbook on my S12, and 10.04 on my R61.22:38
ali1234but you've got longer than until 12.04.1 to be released, before support ends on 10.0422:38
alexcockellYeah - I know - next March would be my final upgrade point...22:38
ali1234so about a year22:38
ali1234something will have to give before then i think22:38
alexcockellAnd hopefully all those improvements would be backported to 12.04....22:38
ali1234depends how you define improvements really22:39
ali1234i expect gnome panel to get some love when LTS people start upgrading22:39
directhexi used to upgrade about a month before release22:39
ali1234i used to do that too22:40
directhexnow i wait until release at the earliest22:40
ali1234now i upgrade to +1 as soon as it is available22:40
ali1234since i got tired of unity being so buggy and bugs not getting fixed until the next cycle due to the development model22:40
Laneysomeone forgot to tell my gnome-panel 3 to be awful22:41
ali1234there's nothing wrong with it except it just crashes all the time when you try to configure it22:42
ali1234once you get that done it seems ok22:42
Laneymissed that memo too22:43
ali1234i expect it has something to do with porting all the plugins from gtk 2.0?22:43
Laneya ton of them were removed22:43
ali1234all the ones i used to use are still there22:44
Laneymany were ported too22:45
directhexstill need to plan a migration for 10.04 users in the office22:47
alexcockellI hope the release mgt bods will have a load of transitional packages ready to ease people in...22:48
AlanBellthey have been doing a bunch of 10.04 to 12.04 upgrade tests22:49
alexcockellAnd anything back about the results of those?22:50
directhexit's an ongoing process.22:51
popeyhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/22:56
popeyhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/job/precise-upgrade-lucid-desktop/22:57
ubuntuuk-planet[Jonathan Riddell] Kubuntu to be Sponsored by Blue Systems - http://blogs.kde.org/node/456523:03
directhexmmmmmm cola23:07
Azelphuranyone know how long home made caramel/toffee/fudge would last?23:08
directhexAzelphur: stored how?23:08
Azelphurhowever is sane I guess23:09
* Azelphur has his eyes on someone selling half pound blocks of them...home made...want23:09
directhexa week or two at room temperature, in proper airtight packaging.23:10
directhexlonger in the fridge, even longer in the freezer23:10
directhexin all cases, wax paper is key, as is airtightness23:10
Azelphurdirecthex: so if I ordered like half a pound of it23:14
AzelphurI should stash a bunch of it in the freezer23:14
Azelphurand then it'd last23:14
popeyhttps://www.samba.org/samba/security/CVE-2012-118223:14
directhexAzelphur: yeah. waxproof paper to separate any layers of it you don't want to stick together, airtight tub.23:15
Azelphurfun :D23:15
Azelphurnow the question is...which 2 do I get...caramel, fudge, toffee23:16
Azelphurcan't decide D:23:17

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