[01:10] ok, hourly backups to the nas...now I feel all grown up [01:12] man, I really can't seem to get it to top 5MB/s [01:44] snap-l: heh, so this thing has an app for streaming files to a logitech squeezebox [01:45] rick_h: did you get a new NAS? [01:45] widox: yea [01:46] usb drive full and needed larger drives anyway [01:46] which model? [01:46] DS212J [01:46] I should update mine... [01:46] its a few years old [01:47] there was a big thread about various nas devices at work pushed me over the edge [01:47] hopefully this helps, need to setup the wife's laptop to it [01:49] hows the sound? I hate those small buzzing fans some models come with [01:49] it's got a single decent size fan in the back, not a small one [01:49] the disks grinding are louder than the fan [01:50] and got a pair of 2TB 5400 rpm disks so they're not horrible [01:52] rick_h: So, when are you getting a Squeezebox? :) [01:53] snap-l: heh, just got the nas so have to reset the toy funds [01:53] I'm talking about 'em at MDLUG on Saturday in case you need a demo [01:53] but getting closer [01:53] rick_h: You can run Squeezeslave now. :) [01:53] meh, point is to run it upstairs away from all the computers [01:53] http://sourceforge.net/projects/softsqueeze/files/squeezeslave/squeezeslave-1.2.311/ [01:54] http://sourceforge.net/projects/softsqueeze/files/squeezeslave/squeezeslave-1.2.311/squeezeslave-1.2-311-lnx26.tar.gz/download [01:54] rick_h: So now you have a use for that netbook. ;) [01:54] rick_h: There's also an Android app [01:55] http://www.appbrain.com/app/squeeze-player/de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer [01:57] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer [02:02] hmm, can you rsync from one remote to another remote through a 3rd party? [02:02] rick_h: Not sure I follow [02:03] from my desktop I want to backup my ec2 server to my nas [02:03] Hm, I think you can do that [02:05] The source and destination cannot both be remote. [02:05] :( [02:05] rick_h: Bummer [02:05] heh, "Supported Clients: Ubuntu 9.04 onward" [02:06] rick_h: I hope you set up Wordpres on it too! [02:06] well, I guess if I setup auto rsync to my desktiop, and make sure it then rsyncs that dir during its backup I'll be ok [02:06] widox: yea, it's a bit of hit/miss. the setup isn't as smooth as you'd like [02:07] but you can ssh, install apps, etc [02:07] so it's not horrible as long as you know a little bit [02:07] I'm bummed at the speeds though, I've got the slow model, but maxing out cpu at 5MB/s and online it says it did 30 [02:08] but I did get the 'cheap' model [02:08] hm [02:08] 30 and 5 is quite the diff [02:09] yea, now that was "windows upload" so guessing not rsync [02:09] and the cpu thing is saying each rsync (running two) is eating 30% cpu [02:09] so maybe however they did the windows transfer was less cpu intensive? [02:10] rsync is very CPU intensive [02:10] So you may be taxing it because it has to check the destination first [02:11] hah, "The performance figures are achieved in Synology lab by using very powerful client computers with extremely optimized network settings, and could vary on different environments. A regular office desktop/notebook may not be able to achieve this high performance figures." [02:11] yea, I'll test some downloads out of it I guess, and get around to setting up some smb/nfs and see how that does [02:11] widox: snort [02:11] I mean, 5MB/s is ok. I've backed up my whole laptop so far, and working through my old 500GB backup disk [02:11] and it's fast enough for doing most things I'll want out of it, but just disappointing [02:11] rick_h: You may also be disk bound [02:11] 5400RPM isn't that fast [02:12] snap-l: shouldn't be, 30GB/s on those [02:12] 3.0Gb/s [02:12] SATA 2? [02:13] er SATA? [02:13] snap-l: right, sorry, Interface: SATA 3.0Gbps Max. External Transfer Rate: 300 MB/s [02:13] swapped a G/M there [02:13] Which is theoretical [02:13] you're never going to see that speed [02:13] oh definitely [02:13] You're probably pushing more like 178MB/s [02:13] but I was hoping to get closer to the 30MB the synology site demo'd [02:14] and if you're ding RAID, it's also going to be CPU bound if they don't support it in Hardware. [02:14] gigabit is maxed out 125MBish, disks 150ish [02:14] synology says 30ish [02:14] I'm hitting 5 [02:14] thus disappoint :( [02:15] but still, 2TB, on the network, low power, raid1 ... all yummy bits [02:15] Bad Drive? [02:15] no, cpu is at 100%, I'm sure I'm maxing out the devive [02:15] device [02:17] http://uploads.mitechie.com/new_nas.png [02:20] anyway, let it finish while I sleep. See you guys at mug tomorrow [02:21] ugh, so 13GB/hr so far and the old backup drive is 400+GB which works out to over 36 hours [02:22] oo, you can write web apps for it, http://www.synology.com/support/3rd_party_app_int.php?lang=enu [02:23] interesting, it runs php so that's one thing you could do [02:36] wiat? you got a slow synology? [02:37] synology is just linux. if you root it you can run pretty much anything. [02:38] but, lol @ 13GB/hr. I do 13GB in about 2-3 minutes [11:34] snap-l: remind me I've got 2 cmd lines for tonight [11:56] rst2html.py mug_notes.rts > /tmp/mug_notes.html [11:59] rst r0x [11:59] heh oops [11:59] didn't realize I pasted that in there [11:59] uh huh. you were showing off [11:59] bwuhahahaha [11:59] just like your fancy number generator [12:00] going to show off httpie and httpcode for mug hopefully [12:00] if they let me do two awesome things! [12:00] no one can stop rick_h's awesome [12:00] let them try! [12:01] exactly, I'll just take over the stage and fight them off with sticks [12:02] you just not stop talking [12:08] hm, was that English? [12:17] so it's snowing here... [12:18] nope, i refused to acknowledge that. [12:18] hm, not cold enough here [12:19] weather.com says it's 37 here...but it's still drop little bits of white stuff [12:37] new background http://dvice.com/archives/2012/04/unearthly-image.php [12:40] yea that one was cool [12:41] looks good on my phone too [12:51] rick_h: WIll remind you. :) [12:52] snap-l: okie, can I do two please? they're super cool I promise :) [12:52] Also, on an unrelated note, I think I figured out how to add a cue sheet to the mp3 files for OMC [12:52] rick_h: I'll have to ask the board. [12:52] (j/k) [12:54] I've got inside connections [13:05] yay, html5 music playing on google music through the web interface [13:07] rick_h: i use a chrome app for it, then keep it on workspace 10 [13:08] /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome --app="http://music.google.com" --new-window %U [13:16] rick_h: have you stuck a kilowatt on the synology yet to see what the power draw is? [13:17] jrwren: not yet [13:18] I'm waiting for the backup to finish up and then I'll put it in it's final home (vs middle of my desk) and I'll try it then [13:19] i wonder if it is slow because of some other reason. misconfigured network speed. autoneg and 100/half or something like that? [13:19] but you said CPU was pegged, so that is probably it. [13:20] I blame a non-optimized network, and non-lab environment [13:20] also blaming quantum mechanics, because that always throws a wrench in things. [13:21] jrwren: yea, the switch confirms it's gigabit, and it's a fresh raid1 and I wanted for it to init before dropping data to it [13:21] now maybe some jumbo frame setup? The NAS is setup for it, but not sure on the desktop [13:22] it's an older desktop at this point, but really since the cpu is maxed and the synology "Ideal" situation is 30MB/s 1/6 of that in 'non-optimized' I guess [13:22] thankfully I only got/use this thing for backups and not to try to run vm's off of it [13:24] The NAS was slower when writing small files, though, where it managed 11MB/sec in RAID 0 and a little under 10MB/sec in RAID 1. [13:24] Overall, the disk is much faster than its predecessor, the DS211j, when reading and writing large files, but is 3MB/s slower when dealing with small files. [13:24] probably hates me doing just a flat rsync like this vs tar/copy [13:27] so in this review it runs 18W under load, 15W idle [13:28] how long as apt-cache showpkg existed? have I been living under a rock? [13:28] rick_h: O_O that is probably it! [13:28] the NAS is sending jumbo frames and teh desktop is dropping them. [13:29] you can get 500-600Mbit without jumbo and it would be WAY faster. [13:29] you can't mix jumbo frames on teh same ethernet. [13:29] its all or nothing. [13:29] I'd turn off jumbo on the NAS and see if that helps. [13:29] but again, if your CPU is pegged... it probably doesn't matter. [13:30] ah, I lied...it's disabled. [13:30] I've got a setting for it [13:30] ah ok. [13:30] whew. [13:30] Oh shit, I'm losing online traffic to my competitors. A random e-mail just told me so [13:30] lol [13:31] Better unleash the SEO monkeys [13:31] snap-l: i will SEO you for only $1000 [13:31] Fly py pagerankies, fly! [13:32] brousch: All taken care of [13:34] damnit, now i'm losing online traffic to my competitors, the pagerankies [13:36] anyone know how to speed up the "processing triggers for man-db" step in dpkg? [13:39] hahaha... espeak is awesome. [13:39] ut oh, time to get rid of those ebooks http://www.pythondiary.com/blog/Apr.10,2012/instant-django-release-information.html [13:39] if you want to laugh or o_O http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/NewSystemNotes.mp3 [13:53] brousch: Django is suddenly not cool [13:53] suddenly? [13:53] hah [13:54] it's too popular. the hipsters move on [13:54] expect an influx of skinny jeans and tophats at your Pyramid meetings [13:55] snap-l: but seriously, why do you say it's not cool? [13:58] hah, maybe that guy should start a Kickstarter project for Instant Django [13:59] bah, i see now. i pasted the wrong link [14:00] like the recent Ruby on Rails for Mac brewhaha [14:00] ok, here's the ebook link http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/14/do-e-books-impair-memory/ [14:29] no wolfger? [14:30] well any perl gurus https://plus.google.com/115784859563110525602/posts/E7cZw6vhaSV [14:36] wat [14:37] Don't know, I didn't look at it for fear I'd get a perl induced headache :) [15:29] I'm now starting to feel really old: http://i.imgur.com/vynW8.png [15:30] I mean...I *guess* I can see that if you grew up seeing the movie...but [15:30] seriously? [15:30] how dumb is america now ;( [15:32] doesn't it say in the movie that it's based on real events? [15:33] yea, but even when you seee stuff like that you think it's some sort of dramatic adaptatoin [15:34] we should just tell people other stuff is based on real event [15:34] "yes, my grandpa actually went through the hunger games" [15:34] <_stink_> Independence Day [15:34] "WHAT." [15:35] lol [15:35] really confuse them [15:35] "My great grandson went through the hunger games" [15:36] is that any good? [15:36] no, but I seem to be the minority in that [15:36] didn't care for the book or the movie [15:37] I thought it was good [15:38] i have resisted because so much of the hype for it is from the same people who like twilight [15:39] I already saw Battle Royale and read The Long Walk [15:39] yea, I mean the book is more for kids and the popularity is driven by younger audience [15:40] I did just finally finish Guns, Germs, and Steel, though [15:40] somehow I think that works out for the better [15:40] i read the first twilight book. i will not be suckered again! [15:43] yea my aunt suckered me into hunger games [15:43] but my wife read all three i think [15:50] my wife is a twidork [15:51] <_stink_> i'm sorry. [16:09] oh blog commentors, I don't know why I even let it through and responded :) [16:13] greg-g: huh? [16:21] rick_h: hahaha... kids will be kids. [16:21] next it will be, omg pearl harbor was real... [16:21] rick_h: someone responded to my latest quick post anonymously and tried to take my post in a way it wasn't intended is all :) [16:21] and then zomg, armegheddon was real?... [16:22] heh [16:22] greg-g: I wasn't sure there myself tbh [16:22] greg-g: it had a lot of potential layers [16:23] rick_h: yeah, lots o layers and me not giving it the time it needed to actually be written well [16:23] mostly my fault, I suppose. it started with a joke (the photo) but then I tried to make it serious and such. oh well [16:23] greg-g: welcome to parenthood! :) [16:23] rick_h: no. kidding. [16:23] greg-g: yea, that's what it seemed like. Started out one way, but with the ending it got where you had to go back and look at it again [16:25] yeah, I call it, "literary" [16:25] :) [17:25] man, it's showing harder now [17:41] where are you at rick_h ? [17:41] north of detroit [17:41] No snow in Traverse City [17:42] jasonwert: clarkston area [17:42] greg-g: that's crazy video of the bike rider [17:42] though I'm floored they're biking down the middle of the street [17:47] where they should be [17:48] * rick_h is still a biking on the sidewalk/trail kind of biking [17:48] rick_h: if I only take a foot on the right side, a driver thinks "oh, I can share that lane with them and pass them when another car is in the left lane" which is a complete and utter fallacy. [17:48] greg-g: yea, can see that [17:48] I am required to have 3 feet between me and a passing car. That won't work in that situation [17:48] just surpised they weren't with pedestrians in the sidewalk path on the side [17:49] bikes are normally not allowed on pedestrian paths for good reason. 3 mph person vs 15 mph bike is nasty [17:49] bike get a full lane, the world needs to know and get over this [17:49] yea [17:50] (whether or not it is the law in your state, it is the only, I repeat only, sensible conclusion other than separate bike and car and pedestrian lanes) [17:50] * greg-g calms down, no one here is arguing with you greg [17:50] :) [17:50] * rick_h hides from greg-g's wrath [17:51] ug, bikers in the street are annoying [17:51] i bump them to let them know i want to pass [17:52] brousch: and his 'swapping paint' [17:52] speed limit is 45, y u go 10? [17:52] hey, I avg 12mph with stops thank you :P [17:53] rick_h++ [17:53] :) [17:54] Can someone riddle me why bikes feel they don't have to stop for traffic signals? [17:54] snap-l: because their riders will get tired [17:54] snap-l: that is a long standing debate in the biking world. [17:55] More than once I've seen a biker casually drift through an intersection [17:55] argument 1) your on the road, abide by the rules. QED. [17:55] and frankly I find it disrespectful [17:55] and unsafe [17:56] i treat a bike like a drunken pedestrian in the street because that's how they behave [17:56] QED, that's new to me [17:56] * rick_h learned him some new stuff today [17:56] brousch: and I treat drivers like cell phon yacking non-attention paying idiots because that's what they are [17:56] going against the flow of traffic, weaving between cars, on and off the sidewalk, zipping through stop signs [17:56] I can see I'll be in an accident one day, too many people roll up into lights without looking [17:57] When I'm on a bike, I treat cars like I would if I were in a car: ready to give me a door prize [17:57] argument 2) bikes are inherently different things than cars and have much different affordances. rolling through a stop sign is safer than when a car does it because bikes are going orders of magnitude slower. Mostly, the point is: stop signs would not exist if it weren't for cars or really big bike intersections. [17:57] brousch: YYYYYYEEEEESSSSSSS. [17:58] greg-g: Argument 2 is unsafe. [17:58] I'm not taking sides, just explaining my udnerstanding of the arguments [17:58] so are cars, inherently [17:58] i think 1in 10 bikes i see on the road are riding reasonably [17:58] greg-g: And the infrastructure is designed with cars as 1st class citizens [17:58] I am more likely to get brain damage from using a car properly than I am from ridinig a bike, but I'm forced to wear a helmet on my bike (there is a good TED talk on this very topic) [17:59] snap-l: rightfully or wrongfully, correct, it was. Things are changing, luckily. [17:59] speed kills! [17:59] greg-g: Tell that to the guy I know who managed to smack his melon on his bike in a car crash [17:59] greg-g: i assume there are more bike lanes in hippiville [17:59] brousch: actually, not at all [17:59] brousch: YEah, the taxis love 'em. [17:59] brousch: we just ride in the road, where we are supposed to be, and drivers out here finally fucking got the message that we are supposed to be there [18:00] greg-g: If I'm behind a bike, I'll go their speed [18:00] but that's a respect for being on the road [18:00] I expect bikes to also respect the laws of the road [18:01] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-to-be-sponsored-by-blue-systems [18:01] snap-l: there's always going to be people who hurt their head on a bike, just like there is always going to be people who don't get in car accidents, but the numbers show a reality that is different than our conceptions [18:01] ergo, respect stop signs, respect lanes and flows of traffic [18:01] and if you don't, expect consequences. [18:02] brousch: saw that and that blue systems needs a real website [18:02] who are they? what do they do? all I see is "Sponsors kde stuff" [18:02] yeah, like tickets. I've gotten a ticket for not having my lights on my bike at night. luckily I got the fine waived by showing them (the police station) I have lights. Just like you would if you had a burnt out light on a car. [18:02] greg-g: Again, respect. [18:03] rick_h: hah, ok, yeah that is a sad website [18:03] Drifting through a red light / stop sign shows no respect [18:03] and that in turn angers drivers, rightly or wrongly. [18:03] snap-l: sorry, but wtf does that have to do with "respect" respect for what? You a driver? the laws of the road, the inconvienced poeple that happen to see it? [18:04] it shows people are idiots, I see people in cars roll through red lights, pink lights, etc [18:04] idiots are everywhere, enjoy the world :) [18:04] rick_h: Traffic flows work because everyone on the road respects the same laws [18:04] right, just like the majority of drivers in A2 were effing disrepectful to me the entire time. I was called names for doing what I was legally required to do and not given "respect" each time they passed me (I routintely touched cars as they passed, which was a violation of the laws). [18:04] so, the respect argument is great, in theory, but fails miserably in reality [18:05] please, no one in MI respects the laws [18:05] snap-l: that is a fallacy (traffic flow works) ask any city planner ;) [18:05] i see the slow speed as the biggest issue [18:05] brousch: define issue [18:05] I see the almost killing me as the biggest issue ;) [18:05] at best a bike is going 20mph in a 35mph zone, while cars are going 40mph [18:05] Yes, and when a biker rolls trhough an intersection and becomes an art-deco hood ornament, I'm sure they'll feel righteous indignation at the cars who were obeying the traffic lights. [18:06] the slow speed causes anger. anger leads to hatred [18:06] snap-l: that is a non sequitor [18:06] greg-g: Regardless, it pisses me off [18:07] fair [18:07] And whether argument 1 or argument 2 is right, I want there to be some understanding that we can all agree on [18:07] so, helmets and seat belt laws, where is wolfger when you need him? [18:08] if bikes are somehow above the traffic laws, we need to know [18:08] and yes, respect is a two-way street (pardon the pun), and it pisses me off when cars don't afford bikes the same courtesy. [18:09] snap-l: just like motorcycles are above them (ie: motorcycles have different affordances and have different laws, like they can "split lanes" and ride between two cars if they deam it safe) [18:09] yay puns! [18:09] at least, the lane splitting is legal here [18:09] greg-g: And that too pisses me off [18:09] not sure about MI, honestly [18:09] snap-l: why, it is what the law says they can do? [18:09] respect the law [18:09] they can share lanes, i don't know about going between cars [18:10] greg-g: If the law says it's legal, I'll get over it [18:10] but experience tells me it's generally not safe to do so [18:10] I may have mis-represented: they can go between cars (ie: between the two lanes of a 4 lane road) at a stop light/stsop sign if traffic is backed up [18:11] * snap-l is for simple, clear rules when it comes to traffic. :) [18:11] and I reall ythink they can split lanes here in CA on the highway.... /me doesn't care enough to look it up [18:11] they do, at least :) [18:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting#Legal_status [18:12] God bless Wikipedia [18:12] awesome [18:12] CA is unique in this [18:12] interesting [18:12] Again, if I know it's possible, I won't be surprised / angered. [18:13] * greg-g nods [18:13] wow, i see that all the time [18:13] brousch: Me too, especially on I696 [18:14] and Hall Road, home of the douchebags [18:14] I find it not annoying at stop signs, makes sense, they accelerate SOO much faster (even when not trying) that they should be allowed to do it as it only increases the efficiency of the traffic [18:15] (ie: gets them out of the way) [18:19] oh wow, i didn;t see that riddell is leaving canonical to work on kubuntu [18:19] that is cool [18:19] pretty exiting [18:19] the concern is the name/trademark [18:19] <_stink_> oh man nice scrollback to go through here, thanks guys [18:19] as if Canonical will allow them to continue w/ the trademark [18:19] if not they have to change [18:20] _stink_: hehe [18:20] jjesse: it would just have to be called "The Ubuntu KDE Remix" or something else stupid ;) [18:21] would they be allowed to use Ubuntu [18:21] yeah [18:21] especially if it was for a commercial use [18:21] the Remix name can be used as long as you use ubuntu.com repos [18:21] ah [18:22] see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-February/001215.html [18:23] interesting [18:23] there was a big hoop la about the Ubuntu Business Remix (Canonical driven) using ubuntu.com repos PLUS a canonical.com repo that had proprietary software in it [18:23] ubuntu business remix doesn't seem like a good idea [18:23] nothing really different [18:25] just some change in defaults [18:25] <_stink_> man, argument 2) is insance. [18:25] <_stink_> er [18:25] like not having gwibber [18:25] <_stink_> insane. [18:25] yeah it is [18:25] _stink_: now now, you missed the fun, lets not open this back up ;) [18:25] <_stink_> i know, i need to be reading here more [18:26] hehe [18:26] <_stink_> now i will suffer [18:26] lane splitting is NOT legal in MI [18:26] jrwren: right, only in CA [18:27] amazing world. [18:31] i'm trying to figure out if it is snowing or hailing [18:31] or some other weird ice/snow mix [18:32] jjesse: it's very confused out there today [18:32] and I think my sinus's etc are getting cranky at the adjustments being made === Thirtysixway_ is now known as Thirtysixway [19:15] snap-l: re: drivers showing respsect for road, jerks actually improve traffic flow; [19:15] http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2009/07/jerks-actually-reduce-risk-of-traffic.html [19:19] krondor: nice [19:20] I've always loved it when fluid dynamics people analyze traffic flow [19:29] ever wondered how those Free Conf Call systems stay afloat? I did, now I don't http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_pumping [19:30] wow. [19:30] sweet info greg-g [19:31] wow... i actually side wtih ATT against GOOG and Skype. [19:31] if you can dial phone numbers, you shouldn't be blocked. [19:31] i guess i'm old school. [19:32] now, that said, if you want to proxy access to a number with a VRU credit card collecting toll system, i'm fine with that too. [19:33] :) [19:52] Honestly, I think those rural telecom fees are bullshit [19:53] * greg-g hasn't really thought about telco policy for too long to comment [19:55] snap-l: why? Should the rural simply not have telephone or even electricity? [19:55] First off, the government created these problems (the cost sharing) [19:56] that is true. [19:56] but not bad. [19:56] And frankly, SKype and Google are not common carriers [19:56] esp if we have a government of the people, by the people and for hte people ;) [19:56] not being common does not mean you get to play by different rules. I hope. [19:56] They need to revisit the phone system. I'd wager most, if not all of this traffic is IP anyway. [19:57] http://gawker.com/5899787/finding-goatse-the-mystery-man-behind-the-most-disturbing-internet-meme-in-history [19:57] brousch: no way in hell am i clicking that. [19:57] is that SFW? [19:58] jrwren: It hopefully means that we can cut off a lot of legacy bullshit that has dogged the phone companies since the 1920s [19:58] greg-g: so far [19:58] jrwren: I'd love for AT&T to be competitive [19:58] I don't want Google and Skype dragged down to ensure it [19:58] so that raises the question: should the values of rural electrification and rural telefony be extended to IP? [19:59] jrwren: My silent libertarian says it's not the govt's responsibility to make sure your outhouse flushes. [19:59] what does your practical american say? [20:00] brousch: wow, thanks. (also, obvs, links from that story are NSFW) [20:00] jrwren: That we'll all bear the brunt for 80 years of bandaids. [20:01] some dirty talk in the middle of the article [20:01] Honestly, every time I look at the regulation of phone service, it just reeks of spur-of-the-moment fixing [20:02] nobody pictured the phone company as we have it today [20:02] (500 non-competitive fiefdoms) [20:02] I have a great book on the topic (telco regulation history) but I haven't read it since 2007 [20:17] ugh, working with people who send html-only email and badly formated .docx files :/ [20:17] (conf planner contractor) [20:18] you poor little thing :P [20:19] welcome to my every day [20:20] brousch: hey, I chose to work in an environment that discouraged that sort of thing (though, we do use google docs way too much). :) [20:21] let me send you some PDFs that won't open or print without hitting your swap for 4GB [20:21] i encourage you to get over it. [20:23] my favorite it is "please see attached PDF for an important announcement by X" [20:23] the attached PDF is three lines long [20:24] i like to reply to a lot of that shit with stuff like "I read my mail on my phone and my phone can't read your messages. Can you change teh way you work?" [20:26] ColonelPanic001: I have a buddy who has a financial advisor who sends him emails that consist of nothing other than a signature and an attached DOC file. The DOC is where the content is. Apparently, the system they use does this so it can automatically generate a paper trail :) [20:26] greg-g: I hadn't thought of that, admittedly [20:27]