[01:23] <pleia2> the new stickers are beaaautiful, I'll get pictures in a bit :)
[02:08] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6916892812/
[02:10] <Unit193> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6916893420/ side by side, looks more crisp.
[02:11] <pleia2> :)
[02:12] <pleia2> even my non-pink laptop is all omg princesses
[02:12] <GridCube> XD
[02:12] <GridCube> i printed my own stickers the other day :P
[02:13] <pleia2> :D
[02:14] <GridCube> it was basically a pokeball and an irken logo
[02:14] <GridCube> :P
[02:15]  * GridCube thinks this is ot so he will shutup and go eat something
[08:07] <knome> astraljava, probably :)
[08:43] <mr_pouit> astraljava: xfce4-volumed will take the first mixer returned by gst when there's nothing in xfconf
[08:47] <mr_pouit> astraljava: so I force it to preselect the pulsegstmixer instead
[09:18] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Right, but when xfconf has something, it never even gets to that part. This happens on both my test machines.
[09:19] <astraljava> knome: Yep, let's see. I still haven't heard from the agent who was supposed to handle that one apt case, so no idea whether I have to come down there earlier, yet.
[09:19] <mr_pouit> yeah, I didn't want to override user settings
[09:20] <mr_pouit> xfce4-volumed is autostarted, whereas xfce4-mixer must be launched manually from the menu, so I assume that xfce4-volumed will always see an empty channel the first time
[09:20] <mr_pouit> (or from the panel plugin, but we don't have it in our default layout anymore)
[09:22] <mr_pouit> knome: daily/amd64 oversized for a several days
[09:22] <astraljava> Hmm... but what sets that value for xfconf? I don't know XFCE that well, yet. :)
[09:23] <mr_pouit> xfce4-mixer when you start it (or change the active card in the ui)
[09:23] <mr_pouit> (or xfce4-volumed when it starts)
[09:24] <astraljava> Okay, and now that for new installs we don't have xfce4-mixer launched from the panel plugin, it's going to be volumed. Ok, I'll do a fresh install and see how it works. Oh wait, that change isn't in the images, yet. Damn.
[09:25] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Would it emulate a fresh install if I manually cleared the xfconf value?
[09:25] <astraljava> ...or is it even possible?
[09:26] <astraljava> There seems to be a --reset switch. I'll try. :)
[09:28] <mr_pouit> yep
[09:28] <mr_pouit> xfconf-query -r -R -c xfce4-mixer -p /
[09:28] <mr_pouit> (or something like that)
[09:34] <astraljava> IT WORKS!
[09:34] <astraljava> *ahem*
[09:34] <astraljava> Lionel, I could embrace you now.
[09:36] <mr_pouit> hihi
[09:36] <astraljava> Well, lots of time wasted, but at least I know now much better how these sound settings work in XFCE, so a valuable lesson for the future.
[13:25] <ochosi> hi everyone
[13:27] <astraljava> o/
[13:27] <ochosi> hey astraljava 
[13:27] <ochosi> i saw you investigated our sound troubles a bit :)
[13:29] <astraljava> I did, but I was too clueless so didn't really make any other progress than educating myself. :)
[13:31] <ochosi> heh
[13:31] <ochosi> well the fact that we have a half-working implementation is good enough imo
[13:31] <ochosi> (before it wasn't working at all if you ask me)
[13:35] <astraljava> Yes, totally. And it seemed to be fully working when I emulated a fresh install.
[13:35] <ochosi> the only thing i'm kinda worried about with pulse is that it completely steps away from the "channel" concept
[13:36] <ochosi> meaning: if you have some obscure channel (say: PC speaker) and you want it to be muted, there's no easy way to do that (other than using alsamixer from term)
[13:36] <ochosi> but yeah, in a way that's a different story
[13:39] <astraljava> True.
[14:07] <knome> mr_pouit, is it our mistake, or is it something the ubuntu folks pulled in?
[14:10] <mr_pouit> no idea, daily-live images seem fine
[14:10] <mr_pouit> but alternate images gained +20M since beta2 :s
[14:11] <mr_pouit> ~30M actually
[14:19] <knome> huho
[14:19] <knome> could you investigate that a bit to see what it is?
[14:19] <astraljava> mr_pouit: If I am not mistaken, today at 2100 UTC there's the non-language-pack translations freeze. I haven't heard from the Debian maintainer of abiword in a week, so do you think I should get the translations debdiff in now, so it makes it before the freeze still?
[14:20] <ochosi> hmm, i think i'll quickly upgrade my test precise and check everything
[14:36] <mr_pouit> knome: nope, nothing obvious (from comparing the file list)
[14:37] <knome> :/
[14:37] <mr_pouit> astraljava: yeah, I think
[14:39] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Ok, I'll get right on it.
[14:39] <astraljava> ...after dinner. :)
[14:47] <mr_pouit> knome: happened between 20120407 and 20120408
[14:47] <knome> aha
[14:47] <mr_pouit> mmh, no, 06 and 07
[14:47] <mr_pouit>  dists/precise/main/binary-i386/: New 1948kB 1262 files 558MB 21s
[14:47] <mr_pouit> and the next day:
[14:47] <mr_pouit>  dists/precise/main/binary-i386/: New 1949kB 1262 files 578MB 21s
[14:47] <knome> huh?
[14:48] <knome> can you pin it down to something even more specific
[14:52] <mr_pouit> meh
[14:52] <mr_pouit> language-pack-de?
[14:52] <mr_pouit> not sure
[14:53] <mr_pouit> no, ignore that
[14:56] <mr_pouit> all language packs actually
[15:00] <malaverdiere> Good morning
[15:00] <malaverdiere> I would like to report a bug in the beta
[15:00] <malaverdiere> I don't see your bug tracker on launchpad though
[15:07] <mr_pouit> knome: before: 39k for all langpacks (empty, obviously) ; now: 20M
[15:08] <mr_pouit> so we'll have to make some sacrifices ;-)
[15:09] <mr_pouit> malaverdiere: hi, we use the same bugtracker as ubuntu, just report your bug against the affected package like you would do for ubuntu (if you're not sure of the package, feel free to ask).
[15:10] <malaverdiere> I am unable to hibernate
[15:10] <malaverdiere> which package is that?
[15:13] <mr_pouit> the "hibernate" menu is greyed out?
[15:17] <mr_pouit> (hibernation should be disabled by default in precise, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-desktop-privileges/+bug/812394 for more info)
[15:17] <malaverdiere> it it not greyed out
[15:17] <malaverdiere> I get "not authorized"
[15:18] <malaverdiere> I'll look at this bug report
[15:44] <ochosi> meh, which package do i need for thunars network browsing again?
[15:47] <ochosi> strange, i do have gvfs installed
[15:49] <leo-unglaub> hey, did you changes the shortcut for locking the screen?
[15:49] <leo-unglaub> control + alt + enf is not working in 12.04
[15:49] <ochosi> don't think we touched that
[15:49] <ochosi> i can test that a bit later if you like
[15:50] <leo-unglaub> that would be nice
[15:53] <malaverdiere> mr_pouit: which bug is the one for the fact that it is not greyed out when disabled?
[16:07] <astraljava> leo-unglaub: Is that an upgrade from oneiric, or a fresh precise install?
[16:08] <leo-unglaub> astraljava: dist-upgrade
[16:09] <astraljava> leo-unglaub: I seem to have xflock4 set on <Control><Alt>Delete and otherwise the same but <Primary> instead of <Control>. No idea why there are two.
[16:10] <leo-unglaub> xflock4 is set to the values
[16:10] <leo-unglaub> also the return to the default values didn't helped me
[16:11] <astraljava> leo-unglaub: Does it work if you try it from terminal?
[16:12] <leo-unglaub> yes it works
[16:12] <leo-unglaub> but i just realized that all my other short cuts are also not working
[16:14] <leo-unglaub> astraljava: now i resettet all xfce settings
[16:14] <leo-unglaub> and now they work again
[16:14] <leo-unglaub> but all my custom short cuts are gone
[16:14] <leo-unglaub> and i idiot forgott to save the strace of the error
[16:14] <leo-unglaub> damn me
[16:15] <astraljava> Yeah, that's the sad part. One thing I seem to have noticed that changed from oneiric is that ctrl key register as Primary now. Maybe it had something to do with that.
[16:15] <astraljava> But I'm not sure, my recollection there is a bit hazy.
[16:15] <leo-unglaub> ..
[16:16] <leo-unglaub> ich will setup a old version and upgrade in a vm to retry this
[16:16] <leo-unglaub> sorry
[16:16] <astraljava> leo-unglaub: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1008229#p1008229 seems to suggest the same.
[16:16] <astraljava> But then that's Arch, so not sure about the versions and stuff.
[16:22] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Do you have time to check the patch before I'll try and make the debdiff? This is huge. 37MB, sort of sounds like way too big a change to be checked reliably. http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/abiword_translations_update.patch
[16:25] <astraljava> Hmm... seems like I'd have to restrict the patch somewhat, there are scripts and such inside that directory. Uno momento por favor, I'll finetune this a bit
[16:25] <astraljava> Ok, so it seems it has to be limited to *.po files only.
[16:34] <astraljava> Still huge, but not including the scripts etc. I wonder what I'm doing wrong.
[16:44] <astraljava> mr_pouit: I don't think it's possible. There are string changes that haven't crept their way into the application.
[17:59] <knome> micahg, ohmy :P
[18:06] <micahg> knome: what did I do?
[18:07] <micahg> mr_pouit: the langpacks should have one more respin for -base to get the size down I think
[21:55]  * astraljava wonders if it's time to apply for a ubuntu membership already
[22:05] <ochosi> astraljava: i've been wondering about that for a long time, but never got around to do it
[22:06] <astraljava> I've always thought I'm too off-and-on to deserve the title, but I suppose now with these new positions and much more contribution, I could actually think about it. I'm also contemplating on applying for BuqSquad and BugControl.
[22:08] <ochosi> mhm, i'm hesitant because it implies spending even more time than i'm spending already
[22:10] <ochosi> (and i'm not too sure about the benefits apart from being able to blog to planet-ubuntu)
[22:14] <astraljava> During the precise cycle I for the first time really felt that my contributions to the project really mattered, so that's maybe why I've started to think about the membership.
[22:14] <astraljava> I don't think I need to do more than what I've done now, cycle-wise.
[22:15] <astraljava> But yeah, I kinda want to, hence the bug teams.
[22:15] <astraljava> And besides, I still aim for my masters. You know, Master of the Universe. :D
[22:16] <ochosi> :)
[22:16] <ochosi> what masters are you doing?
[22:18] <astraljava> I'm still on my bachelor's, actually, but while I intend to continue studies after that, yeah, probably will be a MOTU before I get my Master of Economy papers. :)
[22:18] <ochosi> :)
[22:20] <ochosi> i think my main goal for now is to find someone else to work alongside me on the artwork stuff
[22:20] <ochosi> (and maybe ultimately replace me)
[22:21] <astraljava> Why, are you going somewhere? ;)
[22:22] <ochosi> nah, but i figure after a few more releases i might get tired of rewriting the same theme for every release ;)
[22:23] <astraljava> Well yeah, I hear ya. It's a bit different than with these ever-changing bits of software. I bet Scott'll change DEs every few releases just to see when I snap. :D
[22:24] <ochosi> :)
[22:24] <ochosi> well even if you stick to xfce the road ahead looks quite bumpy
[22:24] <ochosi> (unless of course the gtk3 port goes unexpectedly fast and smooth)
[22:25] <Unit193> Hah.
[22:25] <ochosi> hey Unit193 
[22:25] <astraljava> True, I haven't really followed that much the 4010 development, but what I hear sounds challenging. :)
[22:25]  * Unit193 runs
[22:26] <Unit193> What's up, ochosi?
[22:26] <ochosi> astraljava: well, xfce is not the problem, it's ubuntu
[22:27] <ochosi> Unit193: nothing much, i'm happy that this cycle is coming to an end tbh
[22:27] <ochosi> (although i guess that means we should draft ideas for 12.10 soon)
[22:27] <Unit193> Ah, wasn't sure if that was a greeting, or a calling.
[22:27] <ochosi> :)
[22:27] <ochosi> the former
[22:28] <ochosi> a-ha, señor GridCube is here as well
[22:28] <Unit193> Well, GTK3 is scheduled for after 4.10, so will it even hit 12.10?
[22:29] <ochosi> nope
[22:29] <ochosi> i don't think that is at all realistic
[22:29] <GridCube> mr ochosi ?
[22:29] <GridCube> this be a meeting?
[22:29] <Unit193> Nope, not unless I'm being quiet.
[22:29] <ochosi> GridCube: sry, seems i'm in the mood to greet everyone tonight :)
[22:30] <GridCube> ;)
[22:30] <GridCube> oh okay
[22:30] <GridCube> when is the next meeting btw
[22:30] <Unit193> If I'm silent and there is real talking going on, could be a meeting.
[22:30] <ochosi> not sure when the next meeting is. knome?
[22:31] <GridCube> it feels this cycle we had next to none
[22:31] <ochosi> well no, in the beginning of the cycle we did have a few
[22:31] <ochosi> but they got less frequent, that is true
[22:35] <ochosi> seems like the latest update to flashplugin broke its colors
[22:35] <ochosi> all the faces of people have a blue hue now
[22:35] <ochosi> and no (easy) way to downgrade it seems
[22:36] <astraljava> ochosi: Oh, so it wasn't just for my system? Damn...
[22:37] <ochosi> yeah, pretty nasty if you ask me#
[22:37] <Unit193> Working on oneiric for me. :D
[22:37] <ochosi> lucky you
[22:38] <Unit193> It's because I have adobe-flashplugin from partner repo.
[22:38] <astraljava> I just read somewhere that it's the last update for flash in linux. 0_o
[22:39] <astraljava> Adobe is pulling the support. But this might just have been FUD, so take it with a grain of salt.
[22:39] <ochosi> yes, that's fun, no?
[22:39] <ochosi> for newer versions of flash you'll have to use chromium
[22:39] <ochosi> :/
[22:39] <astraljava> Well, just as long as HTML5 is soon there, then sure I won't miss flash one bit.
[22:39] <Unit193> astraljava: 11 will be last, supported for a while.
[22:39] <Unit193> ochosi: Chrome.
[22:41] <GridCube> D:
[22:41] <GridCube> this is all news to me
[22:45] <astraljava> Yeah, well, a lot of people were unhappy with Flash, and especially with Apple's decision not to support it, things started to happen.
[22:48] <GridCube> yes i see, but the problem is that 1) not having flash will make it a gazillion times harder to sell linux to newcommers and 2) html still lags as hell even using modern video cards
[22:49] <Unit193> 3. Crush the Castle doesn't work with only HTML(5)
[22:50] <GridCube> ^^^ 
[22:53] <astraljava> Tough luck. It's still more about open standards. We have to excel in other areas than ridiculous internet games. :D
[22:54] <Unit193> But this was the orig angry birds, and better too! ;)
[22:58] <GridCube> astraljava, but thats what people want
[22:58] <GridCube> people want a computar they can plug in and play games, see videos and internet
[22:59] <astraljava> I doubt those people would want a linux-powered machine anyhoo, OMG IT DON'T HAVE WAREZ!!!
[23:00] <astraljava> But yeah, not suitable for this channel. Done with the subject.
[23:00] <GridCube> astraljava, thats a point i can sell with: Warez? Cracks? dude, sudo apt-get and install free programs for free!!!
[23:00]  * GridCube seconds
[23:01] <ochosi> hm, anyway, if any of you figure out a solution for the blue flash video be sure to let me know
[23:02] <ochosi> i'm off for now, have a nice evening!
[23:03] <GridCube> ochosi, tried using flash-aid for firefox addon?
[23:21] <malaverdiere> Hello, I have another bug to report, and I am not sure of the package
[23:22] <malaverdiere> This time it is about the keyboard layout management
[23:27] <pleia2> go ahead and describe it, even if no one is around who knows where to report it the devs will read the backlog
[23:33] <malaverdiere> pleia2: my default system setting is en-us. I need the layout fr-ca
[23:33] <malaverdiere> I am on Xubuntu 12.04 beta 2
[23:33] <malaverdiere> I added the keyboard layout switcher to the upper area (where the clock is)
[23:34] <malaverdiere> And I added the french canadian layout by right-clicking on the layout switcher and choosing Properties
[23:34] <malaverdiere> The problem is that the setting doesn't stick accross reboots
[23:36] <pleia2> thanks, I'm not sure where to file that, but I'll see if I can duplicate on my test 12.04 system
[23:37] <malaverdiere> thanks for looking into it
[23:43] <ochosi> astraljava: seems that blue faces bug only affects youtube...
[23:44] <ochosi> malaverdiere: have you tried setting the default layout via settings manager > keyboard > layout?
[23:45] <malaverdiere> I had done that.
[23:45] <malaverdiere> I unchecked "use system defaults" and added the Canadian Multilingual layout
[23:46] <malaverdiere> However, that wasn't picked up by the layout switcher, hence why I set it there too
[23:46] <ochosi> ah ok
[23:46] <ochosi> not sure, last time i used the layout-switcher it was pretty buggy (but that was a long time ago)
[23:46] <malaverdiere> ochosi: is there an alternative? I need to be able to change layout easily
[23:47] <astraljava> ochosi: Funny, I only tried with youtube. :)
[23:47]  * malaverdiere writes LaTeX in French
[23:47] <ochosi> malaverdiere: you can use a keyboard-shortcut
[23:47] <ochosi> malaverdiere: maybe there's also an indicator, i dunno
[23:49] <malaverdiere> any clue which package to file the bug against?
[23:50] <malaverdiere> if I may change topic for a sec... update manager tells me that libreoffice needs to be updated, but is greying them out...
[23:52] <ochosi> that means that you can't update those packages yet because of e.g. some broken dependencies
[23:52] <malaverdiere> o.0
[23:52] <ochosi> could be that libreoffice demands newer versions of other packages as well
[23:52] <GridCube> !info zenity
[23:52] <GridCube> mmm not that
[23:52] <ochosi> but those probably haven't been updated just yet in the repos
[23:53] <malaverdiere> I was about to say that... mirror seeding I guess
[23:53] <astraljava> malaverdiere: It's not uncommon for packages to be not in-sync during the dev cycle. Be patient, they will resort the archives in a matter of hours. You can also try another mirror (or the official archive) if yours is lagging behind.
[23:53] <malaverdiere> astaljava: good to know that its not another bug :)
[23:53] <malaverdiere> ubottu: zenity is the package I should file the bug against?
[23:54] <Unit193> ubottu: is a bot
[23:54] <ochosi> malaverdiere: ubottu is just a bot. and no, that's definitely not the package you're looking for ;)
[23:54] <astraljava> malaverdiere: Also a tip for IRC: tab-complete the nicks, highlighting works much better when it's spot-on instead of almost-there. :)
[23:55] <malaverdiere> astraljava: ooooo
[23:55]  * malaverdiere likes that feature
[23:55] <astraljava> !botsnack | Unit193
[23:55] <astraljava> Noooo....
[23:55] <ochosi> astraljava: you're not highlighted on astaljava? (probably you should add that to your highlight-list)
[23:55] <astraljava> Bad bot. Bad.
[23:55] <GridCube> !info im-switch
[23:55] <GridCube> :D
[23:56] <GridCube> found it
[23:56] <GridCube> if imput method switcher is the program you been using malaverdiere 
[23:56] <malaverdiere> GridCube: ... I thought it would be some XFCE specific thing...
[23:56] <astraljava> ochosi: I'm annoying like that, I strive for perfection. :D
[23:56] <GridCube> mmmm it might be
[23:56] <ochosi> astraljava: what a noble quest :)
[23:56] <malaverdiere> GridCube: I am using whatever is the default in Xubuntu beta :)
[23:57]  * malaverdiere is a geek, but has limits ;)
[23:57] <GridCube> what menu entry did you used?
[23:58] <malaverdiere> Panel > Add Panel Items > Keyboard Layouts
[23:58] <GridCube> ooooo
[23:59] <GridCube> yay, for some reason i cant add it to my panels :D
[23:59] <malaverdiere> o.0
[23:59] <malaverdiere> if I may, my wife is calling for dinner...  :D