[00:07] <hanasaki> what program is a gui manager for kvm in kde without any gnome depends?
[00:43] <mcloy> which irc webchat is most featurefull and can be stable under heavy load?
[01:30] <phoenix2574> hi, someone italian here?
[01:30] <Unit193> !it
[01:52] <sebsebseb> Not been in here for a while, but just read the news about the new sponser, that's interesting news I think.
[03:39] <Peddy> hello, where is the value for the current icon theme stored?
[05:26] <common_dude> where canI get info about the release of 12.04 Kubuntu?
[05:29] <common_dude> where can I get info about the release of 12.04 Kubuntu?  anyone here?
[05:29] <common_dude> hello?
[05:30] <common_dude> Zyke?
[05:32] <common_dude> helloybit
[05:32] <common_dude> hello ybit
[05:32] <ybit> hi common_dude
[05:32] <ybit> common_dude: what info are you looking for?
[05:33] <common_dude> doyou know when 12.04 will be released?
[05:33] <ybit> later this month
[05:33] <common_dude> when it is sceduled?
[05:33] <ybit> google for "ubuntu 12.04 roadmap" or something...
[05:33] <common_dude> ty
[05:33] <common_dude> that helps
[05:34] <common_dude> Iwill googe it
[05:34] <ybit> common_dude: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule is what you are looking for
[05:34] <ybit> common_dude: where are you located btw?
[05:35] <common_dude> Cincinnati Ohio U.S.A.
[05:36] <common_dude> 26th ish  ty
[06:51] <rainbow33> my roommate has a acer aspire 5736z. he installed kubuntu 11.10. The grub menu comes up (for the dual boot), but then the backlight goes black. there are many solutions on the internet for various distros. which solution is recommended for kubuntu?
[06:58] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: Does the screen go blank or the backlight only
[06:59] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: the backlight goes out, but kubuntu loads. (It can be seen with a bright flashlight).
[07:03] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: So the backlight worked on the live cd?
[07:04] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: it seems to be a problem with the intel driver and the kernel higher than 2.6.. i recommended that he install the kubuntu 10.04 lts (which works), but he wants the latest release. the backlight only works if you press f6 and select nomodetest.
[07:04] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: using the live cd.
[07:05] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: So the function key cannot turn on the backlight?
[07:05] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: correct.
[07:07] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: installing with the live cd, if you press f6 and install, the installation process works, but when it reboots, the backlight goes out after the grub screen.
[07:08] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: Try booting with "acpi_backlight=vendor" kernel option
[07:09] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: I would recommend testing Kubuntu 12.04 beta on it. If it does not work there also report a bug on launchpad ASAP.
[07:09] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: k. i am adding that to the set parameters option.
[07:11] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: that works! how do i add that permanently to the boot options?
[07:13] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: add it in /etc/default/grub.conf ... then run sudo update-grub
[07:15] <len> rainbow33,  this thread gives the instructions you need:
[07:15] <len> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[07:15] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: thanx. the resolution is wrong, and limited to only 1024x786 or 800 x 600.  i am pretty sure it needs 1366 x 768.
[07:16] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: that must have come when you used nomodset
[07:16] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: i will check out the instructions, and tell him to try the 12.04 beta in the morning. (he is asleep right now).
[07:17] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: go in system settings and change the res
[07:18] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: Are higher resolutions available in system settings?
[07:19] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: i tried resetting the system settings > size and orientation > reset. it only gives me those two resolution options.
[07:19] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: do desktop effects seem to be working? and have you removed "nomodset"?
[07:20] <len> My monitor never gets detected correctly, so I always have to create an xorg.conf file and add modes.
[07:20] <len> You can also use xrandr to create a new resolution that wasn
[07:20] <len> t detected.
[07:20] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: i am new to linux (and love it). how do i remove nomodset?
[07:21] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: By not booting with that option and not adding it in /etc/default/grub
[07:21] <GirlyGirl> If its not there, it should already be off
[07:21] <GirlyGirl> rainbow33: What graphic card does this pc have?
[07:27] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: i used the lspci -v command. it reads Intel Corp Mobile 4 series chipset integrated graphics controller.
[07:28] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl: i used the lspci -v command. it reads Intel Corp Mobile 4 series chipset integrated graphics controller.
[07:29] <len> Two thumbs up on J R leaving canonical and getting paid by Blue Systems to work full-time on Kubuntu.  I think that's really good news for Kubuntu.  I got so fed up with the canonical's indifference toward Kubuntu that I changed out my desktop when I heard they were dropping all funding.  Things are looking much brighter now, and I'll keep it on my notebook.
[07:29] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: the default effects are working correctly in opengl.
[07:30] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: What is the output of "xrandr -q "
[07:33] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: use paste.kde.org
[07:35] <rainbow33> xrander: failed to get size of gamma for output default | screen 0: minimu 800x600, current 1024x768, maximum 1024x768 | default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm | 1024x768 61.0*  | 800x600 61.0
[07:35] <eean> is there a package of qt5 alpha anywhere?
[07:35] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_:  xrander: failed to get size of gamma for output default | screen 0: minimu 800x600, current 1024x768, maximum 1024x768 | default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm | 1024x768 61.0* | 800x600 61.0
[07:40]  * eean found ppa:forumnokia/fn-ppa
[07:41] <Riddell> eean: let me know if that actually works :)
[07:41] <Riddell> but aye that's the only qt5 packages so far
[07:42] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding_undetected_resolutions
[07:43] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: You want the "if the mode doesn't exist" method
[07:44] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: k
[07:45] <rainbow33> len: sorry, len. i wasnt ignoring you. i do not multi-task very well.
[07:46] <Timmy> when will kubuntu 12.04 be released?
[07:48] <kadoban> anyone know a way to play a sound/run a command/something when a window with a certain title opens?
[07:48] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: Add this kernel boot option "acpi_osi=Linux "
[07:48] <len> That's OK, it looks like gg is heading you down the right path.  :)  I've done it both ways--using xrander to create a new mode, and creating an xorg file and adding modes.  My monitor has never once had all its modes detected correctly in ANY distro because the monitor reports two resolutions.  The second one is the real max res, but most monitors only report one value, so all the detectors stop after taking the first  lower reading.
[07:48] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: i apologize for this taking so long. apparently the aspci_backlight=vendor only works if i boot in recovery mode.
[07:51] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: recovery mode! that would explain the low res
[07:52] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: Use this option as well "acpi_osi=Linux " ... then try using CTRL + Brightness instead of FN + brightness
[07:53] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: sorry "acpi_osi=" not =Linux
[07:55] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: "acpi_osi=" also leaves a blank screen,.
[07:56] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: Try CTRL + brightness
[07:58] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: neither ctrl+bright nor fn+bright do anything.
[07:59] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: Try all keys brightness keys ... down as well .. s
[08:02] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: See post #9 here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/752165
[08:07] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/752165 post #17 recommends  "sudo setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=00". what would that do?
[08:09] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: turn on brightness hopefully
[08:09] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: but it suggests to add it to/etc/rc.local
[08:10] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: k. i am using a flashlight to type it into his laptop.
[08:12] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: ah. i should boot into recovery, and do it from there.
[08:13] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: if that fails, you might want to do this (update to bleeding edge intel drivers)
[08:13] <GirlyGirl_> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[08:13] <GirlyGirl_> sudo apt-get update
[08:18] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: i just connected his laptop to the net. he just installed 11.10, and nothing has been upgraded. i am installing all of the updates and upgrades.
[08:18] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: ok
[08:20] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: try the post 9 thing too
[08:21] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: 399 updates/upgrades and it will only take 10 minutes. the other os that i used to use would have taken all day.
[08:22] <len> If the suggested "sudo setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=00" doesn't turn on the backlight when typed in by hand, I doubt it would do any good putting it in rc.local.  That's just to make it do it  automatically on loggin.  Also, rc.local the last place to run scripts that need to be executed as root--that's the whole point of putting it there instead of other places, so I don't think you'd use the  "sudo" part in the rc.local file.
[08:24] <len> ie. it is still root that is executing at that point and it hasn't yet swiched over to user account
[08:32] <len> Instead of using a flashlight, you could just ssh into  his machine and make all the changes from your machine with fully functional monitor.  :)
[08:34] <GirlyGirl_> len: his recovery mode works
[08:42] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: libkipi8 is taking a very long time to install. i have an early class in less than 5 hours and need to rest. tomorrow after class, i will these options systematically, then do the driver ppa. I think my roommate would love to try the beta of 12.04. he had it on his test laptop (which broke last week when it fell from the table). If the backlight doesnt work on the 12.04 beta one of us will post a bug report. will you be here
[08:42] <rainbow33> tomorrow night about the same time?
[08:43] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: possibly
[08:44] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: k. sorry i have to leave in the middle of this. thank you very much for your help.
[08:44] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: Note: if you install 12.04 beta and keep updating eventually it will become final no need to reinstall on release date
[08:44] <GirlyGirl_> rainbow33: no problem
[08:45] <rainbow33> GirlyGirl_: thanx. we did not know that.
[08:45] <rainbow33> len: thank you for your help as well.
[09:02] <almoxarife> i have three ppa's installed for kubuntu, plain kubuntu, backport and beta, am i defeating the purpose by having both beta and backport?
[09:04] <Riddell> almoxarife: no that's fine, backports is upstream stable releases (but new packages) and beta is upstream unstable releases
[09:05] <almoxarife> Riddell: thanks, so if i want to stay stable i need to toss only the beta?
[09:07] <Riddell> almoxarife: yes (although as I say the backports packages are stable upstream but not much testing of the packaging, it's always a tradeoff)
[09:07] <GirlyGirl_> almoxarife: At the moment the version in backports overides beta .. but yes better remove it
[09:08] <almoxarife> GirlyGirl_: i think i have seen the over-ride or the breakage already, three packages marked for update remove most of kde
[09:08] <almoxarife> upgrade
[09:10] <GirlyGirl_> almoxarife: Which package are you installing?
[09:14] <almoxarife> GirlyGirl_: i am not going to install, or actually upgrade, akonadi-server plus three more, all of them remove portions of kde without replacing, akonadi-server 1.7.2
[10:42] <pawdro> hello, is it possible to install postgresql (v. 8.4) in Pangolin? I suppose I have to do it by manually downloading packages from oneric ?
[10:42] <Riddell> pawdro: best ask in a server channel
[10:43] <pawdro> Riddell: right, thanks
[10:47] <Riddell> pawdro: #ubuntu-server knows all
[10:57] <pawdro> Riddell: i'll try this one
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:49] <knox_> that muon software centre always is broken right ? :))
[11:52] <knox_> GUALEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[11:54] <BluesKaj> knox_, not always , but one should update and upgrade after the new install or net upgrade in the terminal using apt-get to bring the fixes for muon down from the repos
[11:55] <knox_> BluesKaj , i`m up to date and still crashing ...
[11:57] <knox_> lol , after 10 times crashing it`s ready to work :D ty anyway :)
[11:57] <BluesKaj> knox_, then don't use it ... I can't tell you to remove it , but I can advise you to avoid using muon
[11:58] <BluesKaj> there are alternatives , like synaptic or apper
[12:01] <knox_> ty :) i`ll install synaptic , that muon makes me crazy Agrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh
[12:53] <LyzardKing> I need help with openjdk-7 in kubuntu 12.4
[12:54] <LyzardKing> it wont install looking for unmet dependencies
[12:54] <BluesKaj> LyzardKing, how are you installing it ?
[12:55] <LyzardKing> from the terminal sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk
[12:56] <LyzardKing> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:56] <LyzardKing>  openjdk-7-jdk : Depends: openjdk-7-jre (>= 7~u3-2.1.1~pre1-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:56] <LyzardKing> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> LyzardKing, do you use openjdk-7-jdk for other reasons than java on your system for websites
[12:59] <LyzardKing> I'm studying java development, and that's the only use of it right now...
[13:00] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu ?
[13:00] <LyzardKing> but I started many projects with openjdk-7 and now I can only install version 6
[13:00] <yofel> LyzardKing: openjdk was updated today, your mirror is probably out of date
[13:00] <LyzardKing> kubuntu 12.04
[13:00] <yofel> and 12.04 support is in #ubuntu+1
[13:00] <LyzardKing> I just installed kubuntu today
[13:00] <LyzardKing> sorry... #ubuntu+1 is also for kubuntu?
[13:01] <yofel> it's for everyone running 12.04
[13:01] <BluesKaj> LyzardKing, have you run updates/upgrades and dist-upgrade since the install?
[13:01] <LyzardKing> just update and upgrade via apt-get
[13:02] <LyzardKing> no dist-upgrade, it shouldn't be necessary...or is it?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yes good choice since muon is so buggy
[13:02] <LyzardKing> yeah I figured
[13:02] <yofel> LyzardKing: it is on development releases - but do check what it wants to do
[13:03] <lordievader> Hello, does anyone know how the kde menu sends the system to sleep, or in other words what commands would do the same thing?
[13:04] <LyzardKing> I'll ask on #ubuntu+1 then, thanks
[13:04] <yofel> sleep as in suspend to ram? using solid. You can either trigger that over dbus, or just run 'sudo pm-suspend'
[13:05] <yofel> latter won't lock your screen though as it skips the kde power management
[13:05] <lordievader> yofel, how could I do that over dbus? yeah to ram, sleep thingie. the pm-suspend did not lock it.
[13:05] <yofel> sec
[13:05]  * yofel digs through qdbus
[13:07] <yofel> lordievader: qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Suspend
[13:07] <lordievader> yofel, hey thank you! It works! Now I can continue with my project, thanks :)
[13:11] <LyzardKing> I'm not getting any answer on ubuntu+1...so if any of you guys has successfully installed openjdk-7 in precise please write the answer
[13:33] <BluesKaj> LyzardKing, try sudo apt-get -f install, and if that doesn't work , run sudo dpkg --configure -a , to unblock the dependency hold
[13:34] <LyzardKing> BluesKaj: nope..
[13:34] <LyzardKing> nothing changed
[13:35] <BluesKaj> the dpkg command won't show anything unless there are errors
[13:36] <LyzardKing> yeah I know...I tried to install it again after the dpkg and it didn't work
[13:37] <BluesKaj> LyzardKing, have you enabled all available repos , like canonical partners etc ?
[13:37] <LyzardKing> yes.7
[13:39] <BluesKaj> LyzardKing, wel run dist-upgrade , it might help , but that's it ..dependency hell , maybe jdk7 just isn't ready for 12.04
[13:40] <LyzardKing> ok...thanks...I'll probably go back to kubuntu 11.10 till they figure out this mess
[13:41] <BluesKaj> LyzardKing, or check on launchpad ..there may be a fix or patch
[13:41] <LyzardKing> I checked there...only questions without any answer
[13:41] <LyzardKing> ...
[13:42] <BluesKaj> there's anew kernel for 12.04 , btw
[13:42] <BluesKaj> gona reboot , just installed it
[13:42] <LyzardKing> ok...I'm installing it now
[13:44] <cuttysark> anyone know which is better supported in linux? eSATA or USB3?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> "/home/kaj/.local/share/contacts/Contacts.ldif " , what format should the contacts file be in ? The contacts load ok in kmail/kontact , but this notifier is annoying
[14:02] <hyper_ch> using kubuntu 12.04 and since updates (from last night?) I can't do an application search anymore in kicker.... it just won't display any results
[14:03] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, have you rebooted?
[14:03] <hyper_ch> don't speak of that evil word :)
[14:03] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: nah, not yet
[14:04] <GirlyGirl> hyper_ch: kicker??
[14:04] <GirlyGirl> hyper_ch: Also #ubuntu+1 for 12.04
[14:04] <hyper_ch> kmenu, kstart... whatever name it has now
[14:04] <hyper_ch> since kubuntu doesn't get love from canonical anymore, I'm not sure if #ubuntu+1 is right
[14:05] <GirlyGirl> kickoff ... btw kicker was never the menu .. it was the entire panel in kde 3x
[14:06] <hyper_ch> yeah, kickoff it's called now :)
[14:18] <BluesKaj> you lead a horse to water ..he could havbe tried a relogin ...don't understand this reluctance to reboot once every so often. if It's some kind of misdirected pride about never rebooting for bragging rights , then that's just plain cementhead behaviour :)
[15:22] <Aprogas> I want to change the splash screen displayed at the disk-encryption passphrase prompt. I'm not sure which tool is reponsible for that (grub, plymouth, usplash, etc.) so I don't know where to start looking.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> Aprogas, at what point in the boot sequence does disk-encryption passphrase prompt appear?
[15:24] <Aprogas> Right after selecting Ubuntu in Grub. I use an encrypted LVM for /
[15:26] <Aprogas> It is blue with a gradient to darker blue, it says Kubuntu, a filesystem-id and has a passphrase textfield. I think the id and textfield are rendered over the background image.
[15:26] <Aprogas> If I can display an additional text node instead of changing the image, that is fine with me too.
[15:27] <Aprogas> My goal is to add my contact information so if a good samaritan finds my laptop if I ever lose it, they have the option of returning it to me.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Aprogas, sorry , I'm not familiar at all with that prompt ...no experience with it
[15:29] <Aprogas> After it, I get the blue Kubuntu screen with 4-5 dots doing a loading animation.
[15:29] <Aprogas> It's the same background image, just different overlay.
[15:30] <Aprogas> Can you tell me how to change that splash screen? It's before xdm/gdm/kdm/etc. starts.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> in system settings>workspace appearance>splash screen
[15:31] <Aprogas> That is the kdm splash screen. The one I need is before that. It's the one covering up the kernel/dmesg output.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> login screen?
[15:32] <Aprogas> The login screen (kdm) is way later in the boot sequence. The screen I need to change, is loaded before / is even mounted.
[15:32] <Aprogas> Actually, now that I typed that, I realise it must exist in /boot
[15:35] <GirlyGirl> Aprogas: Plymouth splash?
[15:35] <GirlyGirl> Aprogas: The one that comes the moment you boot
[15:35] <Aprogas> It might be plymouth. The images in /lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo do look like it, but then it seems the image is assembled from separate parts.
[15:35] <Aprogas> How can it load /lib/plymouth before / is mounted?
[15:36] <Aprogas> Is it contained in the vmlinux image or something?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> right after grub ...maybe the grub screen , if that's the case ...maybe install kde-config-grub2 , it will give you several options in system settings>startup & shutdown
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Aprogas,^
[15:44] <noaXess> hey all
[15:44] <noaXess> after this errors in kern.log, machine stop working, freezes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/925027/
[15:44] <noaXess> what does it mean? hd problem, cpu, ram?
[15:45] <Aprogas> Does it always happen with mythtv-status?
[15:46] <GirlyGirl> noaXess: If its always mythtv-status its probably a bug in that , otherwise bad RAM
[15:47] <BluesKaj> mythtv is quite finicky , hope the right drivers for your tv card are installed
[15:48] <Aprogas> Run memtest from grub or a livecd (hold shift).
[15:49] <noaXess> ok... thanks.. will to that.. so ythtv-status can cause system freeze?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> hehe , dunno of anyone who hasn't had fun installing mythtv :P
[15:55] <Aprogas> It seems initrd.img contains /lib/plymouth so I guess grub loads that from the initramfs
[15:57] <Aprogas> I just realised I can just put a physical sticker on the bottom to achieve the same functionality I am looking for.
[15:57] <Aprogas> I'll just do that. Building a custom background, rebuilding the initramfs, etc. just seems too much work.
[15:57] <noaXess> BluesKaj: i use mythtv since years.. and normally no problems.. but i think now i have a hardware problem... i can try disable mythtv-status to see if it's really mythtv-status
[16:02] <BluesKaj> sorry my desktop crashed ...had to relogin
[16:02] <BluesKaj> 12.04 isn't quite there yet
[16:03] <lordievader> BluesKaj, it is still in beta after all :P
[16:03] <GirlyGirl> I haven't had any crashes so far myself .... except amarok
[16:04] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yes , we get "reminders" now and then
[16:04] <lordievader> But not too often I hope?
[16:04] <GirlyGirl> besides any kde bugs in beta will probably still be there in final
[16:04] <BluesKaj> no , this the first one this week
[16:04] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, hopefully not though
[16:07] <BluesKaj> changed the phonon backend to VLC and when I clicked apply , my destop crashed ...weird
[16:08] <BluesKaj> anyway , errands to to do ..bbl
[16:35] <darbe> hi
[16:35] <darbe> (nautilus:9231): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_unref: assertion `value != NULL' failed
[16:35] <darbe> do you have any idea?
[16:37] <GirlyGirl> darbe: How is that kubuntu related?
[16:37] <darbe> I use kubuntu
[16:37] <darbe> i have no idea
[16:40] <Darkwing> darbe: What are you trying to do when you get that?
[16:41] <darbe> just run nautilus
[16:41] <darbe> or gedit
[16:41] <darbe> or seahorse
[16:41] <darbe> similar error
[16:41] <Darkwing> What ver of Kubuntu?
[16:42] <GirlyGirl> darbe: Did it work?
[16:43] <darbe> no it didn't
[16:43] <darbe> :S
[16:44] <darbe> GirlyGirl:  Darkwing I have main error.
[16:44] <darbe> :S:S
[16:47] <jalcine> Hey Kubuneteers :D
[16:48]  * Riddell proud to be a Kubuneteer
[16:49] <darbe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/925124/
[16:49] <darbe> GirlyGirl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/925124/
[16:49] <darbe> jalcine: hey
[16:51] <GirlyGirl> darbe: sudo apt-get purge libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 gsettings-desktop-schemas" then "sudo apt-get install gsettings-desktop-schemas libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0"
[16:51] <darbe> jalcine: hey let me try
[16:52] <jalcine> Lol, that should be a Kubuntueer, no? lol
[16:53] <GirlyGirl> jalcine: Might me interesting to be an archer to
[16:55] <jalcine> heh
[16:58] <darbe> GirlyGirl: does it removing all my software?
[16:59] <GirlyGirl> darbe: Is it doing that? check with apt-get
[16:59] <darbe> it hasn't done
[16:59] <darbe> should i itterrupt?
[16:59] <darbe> intterrupt
[17:01] <GirlyGirl> darbe: What do you mean all your software?
[17:01] <GirlyGirl> darbe: If you already did it, let in finish and do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[17:03] <darbe> I did last command, nothing installed
[17:04] <GirlyGirl> darbe: do "sudo apt-get remove nautilus" and "sudo apt-get install nautilus"
[17:04] <darbe>   libindicator-messages-status-provider1
[17:04] <darbe> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[17:04] <darbe> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> darbe: do "sudo apt-get remove nautilus" and "sudo apt-get install nautilus"
[17:05] <darbe> Package nautilus is not installed, so not removed
[17:05] <darbe>  removed it
[17:05] <darbe> now it is installing
[17:06] <GirlyGirl> darbe: try launching when it installs
[17:06] <darbe> ok
[17:06] <darbe> ERROR
[17:06] <darbe> (nautilus:5017): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_unref: assertion `value != NULL' failed
[17:06] <darbe> let me paste whole error
[17:07] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[17:07] <darbe> let me paste whole errorhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/925158/
[17:09] <GirlyGirl> darbe: What were the last package changes you did before this started happening?
[17:10] <darbe> I did lots of thing
[17:10] <darbe> i believe it is about that
[17:10] <GirlyGirl> darbe: Also can you try launching nautilus as root
[17:10] <darbe> it didn't open and i clicked s (skip) during booting.
[17:10] <GirlyGirl> darbe: use kdesudo not sudo
[17:11] <darbe> root doesn't work to
[17:11] <GirlyGirl> "kdesudo nautilus"
[17:11] <BluesKaj> why nautlius ?
[17:11] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: All his gtk apps are crashing
[17:11] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: with GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_unref: assertion `value != NULL' failed
[17:11] <BluesKaj> then use dolphin :)
[17:11] <darbe> i don't know
[17:12] <BluesKaj> glib6
[17:12] <darbe> dolphin is ok now. but it is not about folder viewer as GirlyGirl said
[17:13] <GirlyGirl> darbe: does it launch with "kdesudo nautilus"
[17:13] <darbe> noep
[17:13] <darbe> it asked pass but it didn't open
[17:15] <GirlyGirl> darbe: Do you have a gnome or unity desktop installed?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> darbe, in the  terminal kdesudo dbus-launch nautlius
[17:15] <darbe> i should
[17:15] <Darkwing> darbe: Is it a Kubuntu install or, did you add Kubuntu to an Ubuntu install?
[17:16] <darbe> i add kubuntu later
[17:16] <BluesKaj> kde
[17:17] <darbe> i mean kde
[17:17] <darbe> i mean kde
[17:17] <darbe> i have go now
[17:17] <darbe> I will come back
[17:30] <GirlyGirl> Since most people in #ubuntu+1 don't understand kde, I'm asking here. The icons in krita (calligra) toolbox in 12.04 are blank?http://www.picamatic.com/show/2012/04/11/09/21/8341509_1024x600.jpeg . Any ideas .. I use krita a lot!
[18:20] <tuxman> how to upgrade to kde 4.8?
[18:21] <ybit> tuxman: backports..
[18:21] <tuxman> i just have installed kubuntu
[18:21] <ybit> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:21] <ybit> i would apt-get update && apt-get upgrade before adding backports
[18:22] <tuxman> yes
[18:22] <tuxman> right now i'm upgrading my system
[18:22] <tuxman> after that i will upgrade to kde 4.8
[18:22] <tuxman> right?
[18:22] <ybit> tuxman: right
[18:23] <tuxman> ok
[18:23] <ybit> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[18:23] <ybit> the dist-upgrade might be overkill
[18:23] <ybit> updating before adding backports may even be overkill
[18:24] <tuxman> but is not a problem?
[18:25] <GirlyGirl> ybit: Why not add the ppa and update at once
[18:26] <GirlyGirl> ybit: tuxman That command will first update 4.7.1 to 4.7.4 then to 4.8.2
[18:26] <GirlyGirl> ybit: tuxman better just "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
[18:27] <Tm_T> except most likely dist-upgrade is needed
[18:27] <tuxman> is not dist-upgrade?
[18:27] <GirlyGirl> Tm_T: True more as a precaution however
[18:28] <Tm_T> dist-upgrade will add/remove packages if that is needed to make all upgrades, upgrade will not
[18:28] <Sentynel> I'm pretty sure dist-upgrade is necessary for the 4.7 -> 4.8 update at least
[18:28] <GirlyGirl> tuxman: to be completely safe "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[18:28] <Sentynel> the upgrade step there isn't needed either, just do dist-upgrade
[18:30] <tuxman> well i will do what girly say,to be completly sure
[18:30] <tuxman> or not?
[18:30] <ybit> you should be okay
[18:30] <GirlyGirl> Sentynel: Doing upgrade and dist-upgrade would actually produce the same results ... I tried. I think in case packaging bugs exist dist-upgrade is better
[18:30] <Sentynel> there's no reason to do the upgrade step before dist-upgrade; it won't change the end result and may require more total operations under some circumstances
[18:30] <tuxman> sorry,english is not my main language
[18:31] <tuxman> ok,then
[18:31] <tuxman> just
[18:31] <tuxman> dist-upgrade
[18:31] <tuxman> is needed right?
[18:31] <GirlyGirl> Sentynel: dist-upgrade has to do all steps in upgrade before doing anything additional
[18:31] <GirlyGirl> tuxman: yes
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Sentynel, the last time I tried skipping the upgrade and went bdirectlt to dist-upgrade , i got a partial upgrade , and got stuck at the login . so I hadt do some apt-get upgrading to finish them
[18:32] <tuxman> 1-sudo  add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:32] <BluesKaj> at the tty
[18:32] <tuxman> 2-sudo apt-get update
[18:32] <tuxman> 3-sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:33] <tuxman> that's all?
[18:33] <GirlyGirl> tuxman: yes
[18:33] <Sentynel> BluesKaj: that doesn't sound related to whether or not you did upgrade before dist-upgrade
[18:33] <tuxman> ok
[18:33] <tuxman> thanks
[18:33] <Sentynel> BluesKaj: I imagine something just crashed somewhere in the update, and it'd probably still have happened if you'd done upgrade first
[18:34] <BluesKaj> I didn't do an apt-upgrade by mistake , so i won't dist-upgrade directly after updating anymore
[18:34] <GirlyGirl> tuxman: but if you want to be completely safe 4) sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop 5) sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  ... these steps do nothing if packages are ok and install missing stuff if there is a problem
[18:35] <tuxman> right now i'm upgrading
[18:35] <tuxman> the first update
[18:35] <tuxman> after installing it
[19:07] <darbe> GirlyGirl: i am back
[19:08] <darbe> what should i do to fix my laptop?
[19:08] <GirlyGirl> darbe: Don't have much ideas about your problem ... folks in #ubuntu would know better as its gtk related
[19:08] <darbe> GirlyGirl: ok thanks
[19:08] <GirlyGirl> darbe: Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[19:08] <darbe> i don't know
[19:09] <darbe> no it is not
[19:09] <darbe> i am installing now
[19:10] <GirlyGirl> darbe: That will install every package present in Ubuntu ... entire gnome and unity
[19:11] <GirlyGirl> Do you want that?
[19:11] <darbe> we'll see
[19:11] <darbe> i want to fix it.
[19:11] <darbe> extra things are ok
[19:13] <GirlyGirl> darbe: If you plan to install 12.04 as a fresh install no need to waste time on this
[19:16] <rocks> hello. I need some help
[19:17] <rocks> whenever I maximise a libreoffice windows, there are bad visual artifacts on the screen. this happens on libreoffice windows, and also flash videos and games like in facebook
[19:18] <rocks> my graphics are onboard radeon hd 4250
[19:18] <rocks> and it works in other respects, though
[19:18] <rocks> and is fine on windows
[19:19] <rocks> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/snapshot1snw.png/
[19:30] <rocks> anyone
[19:32] <GirlyGirl> rocks: Probably an ati quirk
[19:34] <rocks> I'm on the default kubuntu drivers. I wonder if installing the proprietary fglrx drivers will work. don't want to risk it without knowing, though
[19:43] <ElGoorf> hey all, i have this issue i really want to know how to fix, basically, every now and then, copy/paste just randomly ceases to work
[19:44] <ElGoorf> it appears in klipper's list
[19:44] <ElGoorf> but ctrl+v and rightclick->paste both do nothing
[19:45] <yofel> you're copying with ctrl+c ?
[19:55] <ElGoorf> yofel tried that and rightclick->copy
[19:56] <yofel> no idea why that would fail...
[19:59] <rocks> maybe he's trying to paste in a folder that needs root persmission?
[20:00] <rocks> (i know nothing about this. just a suggestion) :)
[20:02] <HelenB> :3
[20:08] <darbe> GirlyGirl: Trims figure out error
[20:08] <darbe> GirlyGirl: it just use old library
[20:09] <darbe> GirlyGirl:  here is the command sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/
[20:27] <ElGoorf> rocks, no this is text
[20:27] <ElGoorf> eg from one browser tab to another
[20:50] <ken__> Daskreech: hi
[20:52] <ken__> looking for help with bluetooth mouse. bluedevil does not discover it or anything else bluetooth
[20:57] <ken__> Is this not monitored?
[20:57] <ken__> Hello?
[20:58] <BarkingFish> hi
[20:58] <BarkingFish> one second, i'm on phone
[20:58] <ken__> hi
[20:58] <ken__> ok
[21:05] <tuxman> mi internet is so slow
[21:06] <tuxman> it should be 120.0 kB/s
[21:06] <tuxman> but i'ts 20.5 kadobanbs
[21:07] <tuxman> 20.5 kB /s
[21:07] <tuxman> why?
[21:08] <BarkingFish> ken__, Sorry about that.
[21:08] <BarkingFish> Now what can I do to help you again?  (forgive me, I have short scrollback!)
[21:08] <ken___> BarkingFish: np
[21:08] <ken___> looking for help with bluetooth mouse. bluedevil does not discover it or anything else bluetooth
[21:08] <BarkingFish> do you have a bluetooth dongle in the machine?
[21:09] <ken___> no its internal
[21:09] <liudas> hello everyone
[21:09] <liudas> is it possible in kubuntu remove whole kdepim module?
[21:10] <tuxman> my internet is so slow!!
[21:10] <BarkingFish> sorry again, ken___ :)
[21:10] <BarkingFish> I hate shortcuts.
[21:10] <ken___> BarkingFish, NP
[21:10] <BarkingFish> Right, can you open a terminal up for me please, ken___ - and type lspci | grep bluetooth  please
[21:11] <ken___> Konsole is open, BarkingFish
[21:12] <BarkingFish> excellent.  I'm just trying to see if your system knows that the internal bluetooth is there
[21:12] <ken___> it just went to the next line
[21:12] <BarkingFish> i know bluedevil works with external adapters, i've not tested it on internal BT though
[21:12] <BarkingFish> right - that means your internal bluetooth probably isn't being detected then
[21:13] <BarkingFish> could you just try lsusb at the same prompt, and see if it pops up in there please?
[21:13] <ken___> ah crap
[21:13] <BarkingFish> sometimes they pop up as USB even if they're not
[21:14] <ken___> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 03f0:171d Hewlett-Packard Wireless (Bluetooth + WLAN) Interface [Integrated Module]
[21:14] <BarkingFish> excellent
[21:14] <BarkingFish> Is your internal WIFI switched on?
[21:14] <ken___> yes, using it now
[21:15] <BarkingFish> that might be why your bluetooth isn't working then.  Have you tried using it when you're not connected to the net?
[21:15] <BarkingFish> the thing is, most bluetooth and wifi work in a similar frequency band, 2.412 to 2.452 GHz
[21:15] <ken___> not much of a choice, they're either both on or both off using the switch
[21:16] <BarkingFish> and they can interfere with each other.
[21:16] <ken___> ah
[21:16] <ken___> fixable?
[21:16] <BarkingFish> that's why I say, can you connect to bluetooth when you're disconnected from the internet?
[21:16] <ken___> ok, I'll have to disconnect for a minute
[21:16] <BarkingFish> possibly, the way I've gotten round it before with a laptop is to run wlan from the inside, and use an external bluetooth adapter, something like a nano plug
[21:17] <BarkingFish> ok, see you in a sec
[21:17] <BarkingFish> others waiting for help, please be patient, some of us may be busy or afk, but we will get to you as soon as possible. If you want to come back later, please feel free :)
[21:17] <ken___> ok, dumb question, how do I turn off wireless?
[21:18] <BarkingFish> where do you turn it on? Is there a button or something on your laptop?
[21:18] <BarkingFish> Or it may be on an Fn key
[21:18] <ken___> yes, but that turns off BT as well
[21:18] <BarkingFish> ok, then just use your network applet to disconnect from whatever you're connected to
[21:18] <Linkmaster> ken___: not dumb if you don't know. it can be done either with hotkeys, or you can click on the network manager on the systray, and select 'turn off wireless'
[21:19] <BarkingFish> once wifi isn't transmitting, your bluetooth may work
[21:19] <BarkingFish> to be honest, it's very silly to put bluetooth and wifi in the same frequency band, knowing a lot of people use both :P
[21:25] <BarkingFish> wb ken__ :)
[21:25] <BarkingFish> how did you get on?
[21:25] <ken__> BarkingFish, thx,
[21:25] <ken__> BarkingFish, didn't work
[21:26] <BarkingFish> right. Which version of Kubuntu are you using at the moment?
[21:26] <ken__> 11.10, all updated
[21:27] <BarkingFish> hm.  one moment, let me check something.
[21:27] <ken__> Just installed lest night and udated this morninig
[21:27] <BarkingFish> can you possibly open konsole again please, and type:   sudo lsmod
[21:27] <BarkingFish> there should be a module in that list marked  bluetooth
[21:28] <BarkingFish> can you tell me if it is there, please?
[21:28] <ken__> done, what am I looking for?
[21:29] <ken__> bluetooth             148839  23 rfcomm,bnep,btusb
[21:29] <BarkingFish> right, so your bluetooth module is present...
[21:29] <BarkingFish> I'm confused now.
[21:29] <ken__> :)
[21:30] <ken__> This was supposed to be easy
[21:30] <BarkingFish> could you try removing the bluetooth module from the stack, and putting it back in please?
[21:30] <BarkingFish> to remove the module, type:  modprobe -r bluetooth
[21:30] <nilankaraja> nmnm
[21:30] <BarkingFish> to reinsert it, same command without the -r  in the middle
[21:31] <ken__> fatal, bt is in use
[21:31] <BarkingFish> drat
[21:31] <BarkingFish> Ok then, I think I'm going to have to ask you to file this as a bug then :)
[21:32] <ken__> ok
[21:32] <ken__> :(
[21:32] <BarkingFish> it seems like your module is there, the bluetooth is being detected, it's a mystery why it's missing your device.
[21:32] <BarkingFish> could you check that you have a program called ubuntu-bug installed please?
[21:33] <BarkingFish> just type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-bug   - it will tell you if you already have it or not
[21:34] <ken__> E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-bug
[21:35] <BarkingFish> !info ubuntu-bug
[21:35] <BarkingFish> !info apport-bug
[21:35] <BarkingFish> !info apport
[21:36] <BarkingFish> right, there we go.  Could you try: sudo apt-get install apport  please?
[21:36] <ken__> apport is already the newest version
[21:37] <BarkingFish> great.  Could you now run:  apport-bug bluetooth please?
[21:37] <ken__> sudo?
[21:37] <BarkingFish> yes, sorry :)
[21:37] <BarkingFish> i'm not with it tonight, half asleep
[21:38] <ken__> :)
[21:38] <BarkingFish> what it will do is start collecting data all about bluetooth, and put it all together into a bug report, which it will file onto the launchpad bug system
[21:39] <ken__> a lot happening, rekong just iopened
[21:40] <BarkingFish> yep, it's going to file a bug for you now
[21:43] <ken__> Ubuntu “bluez” package Bugs Bug #979380
[21:44] <BarkingFish> great, thank you for doing that. Being that we're so close to a new release, hopefully that might be something someone can look at, I don't know if we'd get a fix out in time, or what happens
[21:45] <ken__> Thx for your help and I hope the info help development
[21:45] <BarkingFish> it will, thank you, please come back if you need anymore help, but if there are any changes to the bug, you should get an email
[21:45] <rats_> is this true http://www.geek.com/articles/news/kubuntu-secures-new-funding-beyond-12-04-20120410/
[21:45] <rjwiii|2> stupid question: uname -a would tell me if the kernel was/is 64 bit, correct?
[21:45] <BarkingFish> rats_, yes
[21:46] <rats_> kool
[21:46] <BarkingFish> it is absolutely true - we have a company taking over where Canonical will leave off after 12.04
[21:46] <BarkingFish> rjwiii|2, uname -a or uname -r both should
[21:47] <wgosling> uname -m
[21:47] <BarkingFish> sorry, uname -a will definitely tell you
[21:47] <rats_> Thats great
[21:47] <rjwiii|2> thanks ...
[21:47] <rjwiii|2> off to my LUG meeting ...
[21:47] <BarkingFish> ok, have a good one
[21:48] <wgosling> Trying out 12.04 beta, I really like what has been done with the update-manager. My mom can sorta understand what is going on now!
[21:48] <rats_> I thinh the community could handle it ,but paid help will garentee updates (or I hope so)
[21:52] <ken__> I would hate to see kubuntu go away!
[21:53] <rats_> Im hating 10.04 going away
[21:54] <BarkingFish> rats_, 10.04 going away i'm afraid is progress.  12.04 is our next long term support release, it's better.
[21:54] <BarkingFish> i hate updates too, anything which changes what i'm used to messes me up totally.
[21:56] <rats_> BarkingFish: I have been trying 12.04 it's 10.04 has always run well for me
[21:56] <ken__> When I was first using kubuntu (and messing it up all the time) I found that putting the home folder on a different (logical) drive saved a lot of greif for a linux noob like me
[21:57] <BarkingFish> rats_, I can't say how you feel, I didn't come to Kubuntu until 11.04 - so for me, this will be the first LTS I've used.  But I'll keep changing, because it's good to be able to help the community fix anything which is wrong before it affects anyone else.
[21:59] <rats_> Im more of a distro sitter tha jumper
[21:59] <rats_> than
[22:00] <BarkingFish> rats_, one of the reasons I came to kubuntu was to work on packages, and to help when releases came up - we always need people to test things before they go wrong, and fix them when they do
[22:01] <rats_> Bar
[22:01] <BarkingFish> that's why I jump from version to version, but I came to this distro because the one I was on was falling apart, and I needed something that was alive and well
[22:01] <rats_> BarkingFish: I do submit bug reports
[22:01] <BarkingFish> anyway, can we take this to #kubuntu-offtopic please? This isn't really the place for it :)
[22:02] <mokush> BarkingFish: any ideea is bluesystems will also sponsor new kde work (like new plasmoids, etc.), or just kubuntu maintenance/packages/etc.?
[22:02] <BarkingFish> mokush, best to ask Riddell about that, he's the one who told us about it :)
[22:02] <BarkingFish> i've not caught up on everything just yet
[22:03] <mokush> oh, you seemed like an inside-man, that's why I asked
[22:03] <BarkingFish> i'm sort of inside, I am on the bug team, I also do whatever I can to fix and help whenever I am able to, but I'm not a developer by any means :)
[22:24] <markit> hi, is it just me or kde with 16bit color is really ugly? should not be so bad
[22:34] <jalcine> lol
[22:44] <ybit> jalcine: i've never tried kde with 16bit :)
[22:45] <GH3> Hello, I just did an apt get-upgrade dist-upgrade (probably not the right command, i did it yesterday) went to restart my machine today when I had free time to make sure that it would reboot properly, and now I am left without a desktop when I login. WHen I do login, I get a blank black screen for the desktop background.
[22:45] <almoxarife> i am using kde on oneiric, never saw a isuue till last update to akonadi-server (yesterday) , now knotes is not opening
[22:45] <GH3> I attempted to restart kdm and x11-common
[22:46] <GH3> Neither seemed to have helped.
[22:47] <almoxarife> GH3: try ctrl-al-f8 then ctrl-alt-f7, brings me back to login, and i don't know why it works, but it does
[22:47] <GH3> The mouse and, and keyboard are both unresponsive when I attempt to use any form of ctrl+alt+del or backspace, or right click the :desktop area.
[22:47] <almoxarife> oh, never mind
[22:47] <GH3> Well, when I login, I get a black screen.
[22:47] <mokush> GH3: I had the same issue. just did a restart, and everything went back to normal
[22:47] <GH3> Alright, give me a second.
[22:48]  * almoxarife also noticed that installing the xorg-edgers ppa helped a lot with graphics glitches, but can't recommend it
[22:51] <markit> jalcine:  ybit if you use LTSP, and have many thin clients, working at 16 bit instead of 32 saves you a huge amount of band
[22:51] <markit> gnome works well at 16 bit
[22:52] <GH3> That didn't seem to fix the problem
[22:52] <GH3> :(
[22:53] <GH3> I don;t have any availabe packages to update either
[22:53] <GH3> Is there any way to roll-back the change?
[23:00] <markit> for the interested ones: http://wstaw.org/w/12J3/
[23:10] <GASSYPOOTS> i can use kubuntu when using it in virtual box :(
[23:12] <GASSYPOOTS> sometimes iget a kernel error but now i got a black screen with the kubuntu cursor
[23:36] <GH3> Alright, so I attempted to reinstall the nvidia packages, restarted kdm/x, mvoe my .kde folder, none of this seems to help.I followed the second option here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/108427/how-can-i-upgrade-kde-in-kubuntu-11-10 and it seems to have broken some package or another to the point that when I do login, it gives me a black screen, with a KDE looking mouse. When I login to a VNC Session, I get a "X" mouse that looks like 
[23:37] <GH3> gray background. This happens on more than one user, so it isn't a user specific issue.
[23:43] <bkerensa> Riddell: ping