[00:22] <daftykins> ooh-err samba exploit
[03:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Cloud Summit in Oakland, California in May 2012 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/11/ubuntu-cloud-summit-in-oakland-california-in-may-2012/
[07:17] <daubers> Morning
[07:23] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:31]  * daubers is not having a good week
[07:41] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:44] <justso> good morning
[07:47] <justso> could someone point me to the location of the default desktop images, I need to delete them to gain a bit more disk space
[07:47] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:48] <popey> justso: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge ubuntu-wallpapers
[07:48] <popey> for me that frees up only 3MB
[07:49] <justso> thanks thats a help :-)
[07:49] <justso> I only have a 4 gig drive so it all  helps
[07:50] <popey> heh
[07:50] <popey> have you done "sudo apt-get clean" and "sudo apt-get autoclean" ?
[07:50] <popey> 4GB is a bit small for Ubuntu really
[07:51] <justso> it is but it's the biggest usb memory stick I had available
[07:52] <justso> I just dont update anything and clean it up once in a while
[07:55]  * justso wonders how long a memory stick will take to fail when being used for the OS
[07:56] <popey> ahhh
[07:59] <justso> anyway thanks for the help popey ... another 3 meg to play with .... yipeee !!!
[08:00] <popey> np
[08:00] <justso> actually I have another question ... how hard would it be to move this install to a larger dive ?
[08:01] <popey> easy, dd it from one stick to another
[08:01] <popey> then use gparted to expand the partitions
[08:01] <justso> could I just install a boot partition then copy over all these files ?
[08:01] <popey> probably quicker to reinstall tbh
[08:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:02] <justso> hmm it too me a while to get it set up so I dont really want to start again
[08:02] <popey> yeah, dd it over
[08:02] <justso> dd?
[08:02] <popey> actually easier/quicker to just use gparted
[08:03] <popey> plug both sticks in, start gparted and copy/paste ☺
[08:03] <justso> I will take a look at that
[08:03] <popey> i used it recently to migrate from a spinning disk to ssd
[08:03] <justso> ahh but the os I am copying will be in use so will that screw it up ?
[08:03] <popey> works nicely
[08:03] <justso> ok thx
[08:04] <popey> ah
[08:04] <popey> do it from a live cd
[08:04] <justso> yeah thats it
[08:04] <justso> :-)
[08:05] <JamesTait> Happy Tues^WWednesday, all!
[08:05] <popey> hah
[08:05] <popey> humpday!
[08:05]  * justso waves
[08:16] <czajkowski> how do people not get the contact this team feature in launchpad :/
[08:20] <czajkowski> on a brighter note, updated blog theme :) http://www.lczajkowski.com/
[08:21] <Gary> my eyes!!!
[08:21] <MooDoo> czajkowski: looks good, although for me the background is removing the impact of the blog title??
[08:21] <MooDoo> that and the fact my eyes are bleeding :D
[08:22] <Gary> anyone got any bleach?
[08:22] <czajkowski> Gary: oi
[08:22] <Gary> <3
[08:22] <czajkowski> MooDoo: the blog title or the tag line ?
[08:23] <MooDoo> czajkowski: both i think, then again could just be my eyes
[08:24] <popey> czajkowski: "One you add in you sign in via your launchpad account " que?
[08:24] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:24] <gord> czajkowski, hey you work over there on launchpad right? go get them to add a "hey, just so you know this isn't how you talk on the mailing list" label to that button
[08:24] <gord> i get new emails from unity launchpad groups all the time because of that button
[08:25] <popey> heh, yeah, should only be possible to contact individuals, not groups
[08:25] <bigcalm> Running the server with 12.04 seems to be working so far. Except when I tried to shut down last night. 'shutdown now' sent the server into single user mode. 'halt' really did stop everything, except it didn't turn the power off
[08:25] <popey> odd, works for me
[08:25] <popey> mind you mine isn't the n40l, mine's the n36l
[08:26] <bigcalm> Usually I won't be shutting the box down. But as it's not doing everything yet, there was no need for it to be on while I was sleeping
[08:26] <czajkowski> gord: thats a new feature curtis worked on unfortunately not many people seem to A) know how to use it B) know it exists
[08:26] <bigcalm> popey: hummz
[08:28] <bigcalm> Morning mrevell
[08:28] <mrevell> Hello there bigcalm. How be it?
[08:28] <czajkowski> popey: I dont get you
[08:28] <bigcalm> Sunny, very very sunny
[08:28] <bigcalm> mrevell: and with you?
[08:28] <czajkowski> 09:24 < popey> czajkowski: "One you add in you sign in via your launchpad  account " que?
[08:30] <jpds> czajkowski: "Como?" is what you're actually suppose to say in .es.
[08:31] <czajkowski> jpds: lets not confuse my brain shall we this morning by adding another language
[08:31]  * czajkowski is rather sleepy 
[08:31] <jpds> czajkowski: Story of my life.
[08:31] <czajkowski> jpds: the confusion :p
[08:31] <oimon> anyone tried gnome panel in 12.04 with dual monitors?
[08:31] <jpds> czajkowski: No.
[08:31] <popey> czajkowski: read the sentence out loud, it makes no sense to me
[08:31] <czajkowski> would also possibly help if I went to bed before 3am :/
[08:31] <oimon> looking good on 1 atm
[08:31] <popey> oimon: nope, not I
[08:32] <czajkowski> popey: this new feature http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/contacting-teams-is-easier-and-more-reliable
[08:32] <oimon> all that crying and shouting and people swapping distros and there it is sitting pretty in 12.04
[08:33] <czajkowski> people dont seem to realise by contacting this team the mail goes to everyone on the team, which is great, but people on the team dont seem to know this feature exists so they forward the mail onto the team in some cases
[08:33] <jpds> oimon: Too bad noone supports that code anymore.
[08:33] <oimon> jpds, what do you mean? it's gtk3 based
[08:34] <oimon> i've been using a dock for ages that is no longer developed, but works fine with all apps
[08:36] <czajkowski> until the day it stops working
[08:36] <czajkowski> :)
[08:38] <czajkowski> popey: saw this and reminded me of you! http://data.whicdn.com/images/11356949/dog-pringles-duck_large.jpg
[08:38] <oimon> the weird thing is, i keep hitting super to get unity up :-\
[08:38]  * popey wonders if czajkowski understand what he said now?
[08:39] <oimon> i want to use unity but still cannot use it until some changes are made
[08:39] <oimon> hey i just noticed that the crash reporter shows if the bug has been reported already :D
[08:39] <popey> yeah, thats handy
[08:40] <oimon> except that i can't see the bug , must be private :(
[08:40] <oimon> bug #978491
[08:41] <czajkowski> popey: think so
[08:42] <popey> golly, that youtube video I made about testing unity has had about 2800 views
[08:42] <popey> probably the most any video I have ever made has had :D
[08:43] <popey> hah, just noticed you can scroll the launcher with the mouse wheel
[08:44] <gord> i made a minecraft video once and now it has like 80,000 views or something stupid. make a unity testing video that has some minecraft in it,then you'll get the youtube bucks
[08:45] <popey> hah
[08:51] <oimon> mmm gnome classic + unity 2d launcher seems to be nice
[08:53] <gordonjcp> ffs
[08:54] <gordonjcp> $head_salesguy "so you don't see any problems with putting in this piece of equipment?"
[08:54] <gordonjcp> what, this piece of equipment I haven't even seen, in an ATEX site (oil terminal), which is a half hour boat trip away from where I can drive to?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> yeah, I'm going to answer *that*
[09:53] <Myrtti> so, what are people going to do with their Viglen MPC-L's nowadays?
[09:54] <directhex> aquarius, do you know anyone at MS with a vague interest in encouraging FOSS?
[09:54] <aquarius> directhex, Steve Lamb
[09:54] <bigcalm> Myrtti: mine has been in a draw for more than 2 years and my parents' will be replaced with my Revo :)
[09:54] <aquarius> directhex, @actionlamb on twitter
[09:54] <bigcalm> Other than that, not a clue
[09:55] <mgdm> directhex: @fearthecowboy does
[09:55] <directhex> thanks guys
[09:55] <aquarius> directhex, I think he's actually head of the UK MS FOSS team ;)
[09:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: popey christel http://www.ribstock.co.uk/
[09:56] <mgdm> directhex: also, @brian_swan - they're both US guys
[09:56] <dvdrw> When is 12.04 officially released?
[09:56] <czajkowski> directhex: many do,http://twitter.com/#!/MichaelaKraft
[09:57] <bigcalm> dvdrw: 26th
[09:57] <dvdrw> ok
[09:57] <directhex> czajkowski, looks like @actionlamb and @fearthecowboy are perfect, they're active on twitter so should reply
[09:57] <dvdrw> I'll put it on my calendar
[09:57] <aquarius> directhex, linkedin says actionlamb's job title is "Open Source Strategist"... and he spoke at LRL a few times
[09:58] <bigcalm> dvdrw: though you should be using 12.04 already and reporting bugs :D
[09:58] <dvdrw> That's true
[09:58] <mgdm> directhex: If it's useful, fearthecowboy hangs around in #coapp on here, once the Pacific coast wakes up :)
[09:58] <popey> czajkowski: i fly out the next day to the sprint
[09:59] <aquarius> directhex, whatcha asking them about?
[09:59] <czajkowski> popey: ahh dont forget the tea bags :)
[10:00] <directhex> aquarius, trying to work out what we need to buy to get windows vms running buildbot-slave. msdn subs are strictly per-user, which means it's not clear how many of anything are needed
[10:00] <bigcalm> Somebody should mail a crate to the venue so that people have proper tea waiting for you
[10:01] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:01] <davmor2> morning dude
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: czajkowski prod
[10:02] <aquarius> directhex, heh, a good question :)
[10:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: *poke*
[10:03] <aquarius> bigcalm, proper tea is theft
[10:03] <bigcalm> Badum-tish
[10:03] <bigcalm> :)
[10:04] <davmor2> aquarius: hey dude, you coming to the Ubuntu Happy hour a week thursday?
[10:05] <bigcalm> ...
[10:05] <bigcalm> There will be booze
[10:05] <bigcalm> Pubs do booze I think
[10:05] <davmor2> aquarius: good time to pimp U1 services :D
[10:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: hi mr, wassup?
[10:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:06] <bigcalm> The following packages have been kept back:
[10:06] <bigcalm>   linux-headers-server linux-image-server linux-server
[10:06] <bigcalm> How do I get them upgraded without using aptitude full-upgrade?
[10:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: said morning all and didn't get a barrage of abuse so just checking people were alive ;)
[10:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm alive, just not concentrating on this channel.
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: you bad bad man anyone would think you were at work or something ;)
[10:07] <aquarius> davmor2, um, I don't know waht it is
[10:07] <bigcalm> :O
[10:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: i am, just in another room not this one, well i wasn't when you said hi
[10:07] <popey> speaking of U1. I just enabled backups with deja-dup to U1.
[10:07] <popey> OMG excellent
[10:08] <bigcalm> I have to say, the event details aren't easily accessable for the channel website
[10:08] <oimon> how much space do u have in u1?
[10:08] <popey> I've used 67%
[10:09] <popey> !u
[10:09] <popey> ☺
[10:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: sudo apt-get install linux-server should tell you what the issue is
[10:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: it could be that it's held back due to a dep
[10:10] <davmor2> aquarius: it's like a social lug meeting but for Ubuntu Abuser :D
[10:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: every kernel update on all of my servers has _always_ been held back
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: they like you to be sure as it requires a reboot and may need scheduling
[10:11] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[10:11] <bigcalm> libssl also requires a reboot but doesn't have this
[10:12] <bigcalm> I like that apt-listchanges are mailed to root on upgrade
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: kernel may add hardware etc,  libssl will be a security update hence a requirement, you might not need the kernel update
[10:12] <bigcalm> Ok
[10:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: plus if your machine doesn't reboot due to the kernel update you'll need time to fix it, a reboot for libssl will have you tinkering if it fails but might not mean downtime as such
[10:16] <aquarius> davmor2, on a thursday? this is in Wolves?
[10:16] <davmor2> aquarius: thursday the 19th at the moon under water from 7pm
[10:17] <oimon> popey, how dareth thee question mine english?
[10:17] <aquarius> heh, the Moon Under Water. Last time I was there someone stole my phone.
[10:18] <oimon> maybe a mermaid aquarius
[10:18] <aquarius> definitely wasn't a mermaid.
[10:20] <bigcalm> The bar maids are pretty
[10:20] <bigcalm> Does this help?
[10:22] <Killerjim> I'm linking my application with a debug static library, but the debug symbols for the static library are not present in the application - any reasons why this might be?
[10:23] <davmor2> aquarius: go on be sociable you know you want to :)
[10:24] <oimon> lightdm session choosing is incredibly slow in precise, and causes the fan to wake up - anyone else hase this?
[10:24] <Myrtti> so do I read this right that not even Debian ships a supported kernel that Viglen MPC-L could use?
[10:24] <popey> Myrtti: depens what you're reading
[10:25] <davmor2> Killerjim: have you installed the debug symbols for the lib? you might need to add the ddeb repo for it
[10:25] <Myrtti> popey: it's entirely possible I'm understanding it wrong, but https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/hardware-supported.html
[10:30] <Ng> popey: can I get a +1/reshare of https://plus.google.com/108361606659676027857/posts ? :D
[10:31] <popey> done
[10:31] <Ng> (I have also tweeted if, if you fancy retweeting that with your epic community connection powers ;)
[10:31] <Ng> \o/
[10:31] <Ng> ta
[10:32] <popey> also done
[10:32]  * Ng +1s popey 
[10:32] <popey> Ng: considered posting it on linuxjobs list?
[10:33] <Ng> popey: I have indeed and will very likely do so, I've had some good responses from it recently
[10:33] <popey> cool
[10:33] <Ng> popey: good grief man, you have almost 2k followers on the twitter
[10:34] <christel> they all think it is elvis
[10:34] <popey> do I?
[10:34] <popey> i never look
[10:34] <mgdm> I found out I have something slightly north of 500
[10:34] <mgdm> can't think why
[10:34] <mgdm> I just talk nonsense
[10:35] <popey> how do you register a new freenode nickname but associate it with another one?
[10:36] <mgdm> popey: /msg nickserv help group
[10:37] <popey> ahh group
[10:39] <kvarley> How do I copy the output in my Putty window?
[10:39] <Ng> christel: hehe
[10:40] <kvarley> Nvm got it
[10:40] <mgdm> kvarley: just highlight it, that copies it by default
[10:40] <mgdm> kvarley: watch out, right-click in the window is paste :)
[10:40] <kvarley> For some reason to paste you press the middle mouse button
[10:42] <kvarley> My uEnv.txt is loaded but my resolution does not change. Can anybody help? The serial output and uEnv.txt is pasted here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/924673/
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-latest.txt
[10:42] <kvarley> Sorry wrong channel -_-
[10:42] <kvarley> Thanks MartijnVdS
[10:43] <diplo-> Why can't Bristol have better connectivity :( would love a job like above but with my kids i can't move to london :(
[10:44] <oimon> i know people who commute fro m bristol
[10:44] <oimon> but i guess they don't get to tuck their kids in at night
[10:44] <diplo-> Doesn't help when I need to get the kids from school though, being single now
[10:44] <diplo-> Yeah and that
[10:44] <aquarius> Ng, you tweeted about a job?
[10:44] <oimon> which is why i moved to public sector
[10:44] <diplo-> One of my fave parts
[10:45] <popey> aquarius: https://twitter.com/#!/cmsj/status/189992137083981825
[10:45] <oimon> worth the 15-20k pay cur
[10:45] <aquarius> aha, we're looking for a data centre engineer, huh?
[10:45]  * aquarius retweets it
[10:47] <Ng> aquarius: yes and thanks!
[10:52] <oimon> the power drains from my toshiba laptop when the power is turned off :(
[10:53] <oimon> have to remove battery from machine :(
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> Short somewhere?
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> Does it drain as fast as during suspend?
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> Does it also drain if you remove it a few minutes, then reconnect it?
[10:54] <oimon> MartijnVdS, not sure about the 3rd one, if it's possible to tell
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Shut down machine, pull battery off, wait, put battery on
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: wait a day, check if discharged?
[10:54] <oimon> a day, deifinitely
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> well
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> or a few hours
[10:54] <oimon> yep , a few hours
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> or however long it takes for it to discharge noticeably
[10:54] <dwatkins> it's definitely completely shut down, oimon?
[10:54] <oimon> brand new machine
[10:55] <oimon> yes, ciompletely
[10:55] <oimon> other people have the laptop, but it's hard to get them to test anything cos they don't care or understand
[10:55] <quetzel_quagga> Hail!
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> hail!
[10:56] <oimon> how to check exact charge?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> quetzel_quagga: that's an old-fashioned greeting, isn't it? :)
[10:56] <oimon> or a weather report MartijnVdS
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> oimon: or that, yes
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> oimon: which explains why you used it as a greeting :P
[10:57] <quetzel_quagga> Does it hail frequently on IRC?
[10:57] <dwatkins> good day, quetzel_quagga
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> quetzel_quagga: Sometimes
[10:58] <czajkowski> anyone want to help a new 12.04 user https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/193299
[11:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: no ;)
[11:01] <oimon> MartijnVdS, i found something in bios called sleep and charge, will try to disable it
[11:02] <oimon> my laptop will lose 1hr of charge overnight when completely off
[11:02] <oimon> or someimes more
[11:03] <popey> thats a bit rubbish
[11:03] <oimon> s/bit/very/
[11:03] <oimon> the money they spent on this, i could have bought the mighty thinkpad
[11:03] <popey> should have
[11:04] <popey> send it back!
[11:04] <oimon> no choice, like it or lump it
[11:05] <popey> toshiba are top of my do-not-buy list
[11:05] <popey> along with sony
[11:05] <oimon> me too
[11:05] <oimon> and apple
[11:05] <oimon> toshiba are OK for budget
[11:05] <oimon> but this was more expensive, so why not buy a proper laptop
[11:06] <oimon> their £500 models are good for parents, especially the 17 inch screen one
[11:06] <oimon> when i suspend and resume, i can't change screen brightness either, so i'm stuck with whatever i had previously
[11:06] <oimon> need to check that in 12.04
[11:07] <oimon> there's been a v big earthquake in indonesia
[11:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: not sure I can help with that one popey might have more idea
[11:10] <popey> nope
[11:10] <popey> use askubuntu :)(
[11:10] <popey> -(
[11:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: ^
[11:11] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/96681/ubuntu-doesnt-seem-to-shut-down-unless-i-force-kill-it-suggestions
[11:11] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/838792
[11:46] <Mez> Anyone available next thursday (19th) and fancy doing a talk at Birmingham LUG ?
[12:50] <czajkowski> http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/instagrams-billion-sale-powered-by-ubuntu-linux.html
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: So.. the next sabdfl is born? :)
[13:00] <bigcalm> Yay, big thunder and lightning storm over me :)
[13:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: greased lightning?
[13:01]  * bigcalm hugs his UPSes
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: is it frightening?
[13:01] <bigcalm> :P
[13:01] <bigcalm> It's windy
[13:02] <bigcalm> I'm glad that both my electricity and communication cables are both under ground
[13:02] <bigcalm> Hail now
[13:03] <bigcalm> Less than 4 seconds from lightning to thunder
[13:03] <bigcalm> Tis really rather close now
[13:03]  * MartijnVdS waits for bigcalm to drop off the interwebs
[13:04] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it doesn't take much with Virgin Media
[13:04] <bigcalm> Less than 2 seconds now
[13:08] <oimon> kindle touch? is that new?
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> yes, and it's poo
[13:08] <oimon> why?
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> Touch screen on eink reduces contrast for some reason
[13:08] <oimon> oh
[13:11] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Not on the Sony reader. It used IR round the edge so no overlay required.
[13:11] <oimon> http://direct.asda.com/Kobo-Wireless-eReader---Onyx/000518285,default,pd.html?cm_mmc=afc-_-Direct-_-43305-_-text&campid%3Dawin_Money+Saving+Expert_43305_id=2786
[13:11] <oimon> ^^ kobo for £49
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: My Sony used an overlay
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: and it was MUCH worse than my kindle is
[13:12] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: How old was that?
[13:12] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Mine does not. :-)
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: ~2 years maybe
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> prs600 I think it was
[13:17] <oimon> how would you read amazon kindle books on a sony or kobo?
[13:17] <oimon> strip the DRM first?
[13:17] <stuphi> oimon: If you are going to buy amazon books, why not get a Kindle?
[13:18] <oimon> stuphi, that wasn't the question i asked though.
[13:18] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Mine is PRS-350. That and the PRS-650 introduced the IR touch sensors.
[13:19] <davmor2> oimon: they might strike up deals with amazon to get support for kindle
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: ah.. probably because they figured out less contrast = bad :)
[13:19] <stuphi> oimon: But you already answered your question :-)
[13:19] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Guess so.
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> Some e-book stores can link to Amazon to send books to Kindle (Harry Potter comes to mind)
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> but the other way around..
[13:19] <oimon> so if you have a kobo reader, where do you buy your books?
[13:20] <awilkins> WHSmith?
[13:20] <stuphi> Waterstones?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> pirate bay?
[13:20] <oimon> book shops sell ebooks?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> oimon: some do
[13:20] <stuphi> http://www.gutenberg.org/
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> oimon: but only to the country they're in
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> I've tried to buy ebooks from the US, but they wouldn't let me. Same with MP3s and videos
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> Stupid "rights" poo
[13:22] <oimon> ebooks is a nightmare
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I can buy books for my Kindle at Amazon.com at least
[13:23] <oimon> not a very open market though
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[13:23] <oimon> and if your wife has a book, she can't even lend it to you
[13:24] <oimon> s/book/kindle ebook/
[13:24] <oimon> without you registereing to her device, or decrypting the book
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> it's all vendor lock in (even though most use epub + Adobe DRM), and the fact that copyrights are per-counry
[13:25] <oimon> :(
[13:25] <stuphi> Download old books from Gutenberg and manage with Calibre.
[13:25] <popey> meh, I'd just decrypt them
[13:26] <oimon> popey, yeah for now, until they block it
[13:26] <popey> they who?
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Then that kind of DRM will also be cracked
[13:26] <oimon> amazon move to a new book format
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> oimon: same as with movies
[13:27] <oimon> i emailed amazon about the lending thing that works in the US
[13:27] <oimon> they said meh, just register your device with your friend's credentials
[13:28] <popey> i dont see how amazon can move to a new format
[13:28] <popey> given there are a bazillion kindles out there
[13:28] <popey> they'd have to force a firmware update on them all
[13:28] <awilkins> They could only do it if they forced a firmware update on them all <damn
[13:28] <oimon> phased approach
[13:28] <popey> cant see them doing it
[13:28] <popey> i dont think it hurts them that bad
[13:29] <popey> because they make it so easy to buy books
[13:29] <popey> movie studios are finding high piracy because it _is_ hard to buy movies
[13:29] <oimon> t first, content creators will only be able to use KF8 for the Kindle Fire tablet, though Amazon says it'll gradually expand to its entire lineup of devices and apps "in the coming months."
[13:29] <oimon> http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/24/amazons-new-e-book-format-brings-html5-support-to-your-kindle-l/
[13:29] <awilkins> Amazon were the first major store to have DRM-free music (correct?)
[13:30] <awilkins> I imagine the publishers have some nutty restrictions
[13:30] <oimon> they will provide a compelling new format
[13:33] <oimon> awilkins, yes but in response to apple. now that amazon are leading the market with a DRM by design, and don't even support epub, then they won't change
[13:35] <awilkins> They do kind of have a point in some ways. People will go the easiest route to their content.
[13:36] <awilkins> It's a shame it lets the publishers reinforce their stupid pricing practices (e.g. eBooks that cost more than the hardback)
[13:41] <oimon> stallman won't be happy that this book is£1.92 on amazon and free on gutenberg http://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Freedom-Paperback-Stallmans-Software/dp/0596002874
[13:42] <oimon> cathedral and bazaar is £7.20 :-\
[13:45] <awilkins> Stallman would be fine with it - he has no opposition to people making money from selling content. He might throw a wobbly if the book doesn't clearly state that it's [whatever free license] he wrote it under though
[13:46] <popey> latest wheeze at ex-work is to wait until your co-worker is giving a presentation and then drop files with amusing names in a shared dropbox folder
[13:46] <popey> notifications pop up with the filename in
[13:46] <brobostigon> hehe :)
[13:47] <awilkins> touch "Whoooaaaaaa, your <expletive> is on fiiiiirre"
[13:48] <popey> "Deans list of porn websites.txt" was one
[13:48] <brobostigon> almost reminds me of that scene in wayne's world, where he is presenting his sponser, and writes stuff on the backs of those cards, facing the camera.
[13:48] <popey> heh, yeah
[13:51] <bigcalm> popey: your ex-work sounded fun
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: Your laptop is an X1 right?
[13:58] <gord> X220
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> gord: Thanks
[13:58] <gord> you should get one, it makes you cool
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> gord: not much difference, is there?
[13:59] <gord> i have no idea
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> gord: X1 comes with SSD, and is 13" instead of 12.5
[14:01] <gord> says 2nd generation i5, not sure if they mean sandybridge by that or not
[14:01] <popey> x220 as gord says
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> the X1 also has 3G
[14:02]  * popey has ssd
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> like my current Sony
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> I like 3G
[14:02] <popey> i share my phones 3g
[14:02] <popey> dont like having lots of 3g subs
[14:02] <gord> you can get an ssd with the x220, its an option. but its not worth it
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: My employer pays for a separate SIM :)
[14:02] <gord> way too expensive
[14:03] <popey> yeah, i bought my ssd separately
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> Also.. my current laptop still works fine
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> so I don't know IF I even want a new one
[14:04] <gord> i have a laptop refresh coming up, maybe i'll get another x220, because then i will have two
[14:04] <bigcalm> My boss is offering me some new kit as an incentive that a project gets out the door on time. I don't need an incentive, but I'm thinking it might be time for a decent laptop. x220?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> gord: and then you'll be double cool?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: X220 or X1, I'd say
[14:05] <gord> well, i'll be a step ahead of the popeys and jcastros in the world anyway!
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> gord: and sabdfls?
[14:05] <gord> no idea what he uses
[14:05] <bigcalm> Windows
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> didn't people start buying X220s because he had one?
[14:05] <gord> tim schafer has an x220 though
[14:06] <bigcalm> No, it'll be a Macbook air
[14:06] <gord> people started buying x220s because *I* got one and they saw it at a platform sprint :P
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: this explains Unity
[14:06] <bigcalm> o.O
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ gord
[14:10] <popey> i got one because gord told me to
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: "I won't fix unity bugs if you don't"?
[14:12] <popey> i might make an ubuntu screencast tonight
[14:12] <popey> unity one
[14:13] <gord> a "don't panic" screencast for people upgrading from lts might be a good idea
[14:13] <popey> yeah
[14:13] <popey> thats what I'm thinking
[14:13] <popey> not sure whether to make one big one or lots of little ones and make a playlist
[14:17] <bigcalm> Playlist would be more useful I think
[14:24] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UnityDontPanic
[14:24] <popey> started making notes
[14:24] <popey> gord: suggestions...
[14:24] <popey> welcome
[14:32] <stuphi> That's hard. Been using Unity long enough to forget what life was like before! :-)
[14:37] <popey> heh
[14:37] <gord> i think you'd learn more about what needs to be explained from watching someone try to use it
[14:54] <diplo-> Blimey, cli server and want to install system-config-printer
[14:54] <diplo-> So many gtk apps :(
[14:56] <bigcalm> Is there an bash environment variable that says I am iain?
[14:56] <diplo-> id ?
[14:57] <bigcalm> USER
[14:58] <diplo-> ah sorry read that wrong
[15:00] <shauno> I don't think bash has an equivalent of getpwnam(); I'd just getent passwd username & parse it out
[15:00] <bigcalm> It's ok, everything works as expected
[15:44] <popey> Azelphur: https://www.facebook.com/epikprojectuk
[15:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: you coming to Happy Hour?
[15:56] <czajkowski> davmor2: I'm in .ie
[15:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: and ryan air flight to bham and a train to wolves will only be like a £10 each way ;)
[15:57] <czajkowski> :p
[15:57] <gord> but you have to fly at 2am and have a layover in spain
[15:58] <czajkowski> if I go to spain I'm not budging for a week!
[15:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: what makes it worse is it would probably get you here faster than if you travelled by train from London :D
[15:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: plus you know all about cheap flights from the song right?
[16:11] <popey> handy http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/1204-poster-3.pdf
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: are/will translations of that available?
[16:16] <popey> pass
[16:16] <popey> email the owner ☺
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> :|
[16:16] <popey> OMG!
[16:16] <popey> I am on a call with gord
[16:16] <popey> how _exciting_
[16:16] <bigcalm> "exciting"?
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: are you giggling?
[16:16] <popey> I went "Woohoo!" at one point
[16:17] <popey> which was the excitement high point
[16:17] <bigcalm> You know how to let yourself go
[16:17] <popey> Oh yes
[16:18] <bigcalm> Damn it Rackspace, what is our new IP for VPN connections?
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 192.168.0.1
[16:19] <davmor2> gord: blow rasberries at him you know you want to
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: popey likes raspberries.
[16:19] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I woulnd't mind if it was, but a 3rd party have stated that their vpn connection must be allocated a public ip address
[16:19] <bigcalm> Which is a little weird
[16:20]  * bigcalm shakes his fist at PayPoint
[16:20] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: only blown ones
[16:20] <czajkowski> bigcalm: did you get halyes bday pressie yet
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: or pis
[16:21] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I have a couple of things that I think she will like. I'm still keeping my eye out for something really special
[16:21] <bigcalm> czajkowski: maybe with an owl on it
[16:21] <czajkowski> :o
[16:22] <bigcalm> She likes owl...
[16:22] <bigcalm> s
[16:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: I bet she isn't a cat hater ;)
[16:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: you're after a Hogwarts school badge with an owl on then right :D
[16:25] <bigcalm> She's going to be 40. Can't make this silly
[16:25] <bigcalm> No, she's not a cat hater, but she prefers dogs
[16:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: I bet she like jedi cat vs angry dog though right :)
[16:26]  * bigcalm rolls his eyes
[16:28] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: you're busy, he's busier is that really a nick you want to poach ;)
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> Whoa
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> G+ changed
[16:45] <bigcalm> Looks more like Facebook now
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> gee I wonder why
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> it even has the Unity bar ;)
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> heh they even have the "Cover picture" like FB
[16:49] <bigcalm> They do?
[16:49] <popey> i dont have it yet
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> on your profile page
[16:52] <bigcalm> Looks the same as ever to me
[16:52] <bigcalm> :)
[16:52]  * AlanBell sees no great change
[16:53]  * jussi just got it...
[16:53] <gord> something changed on the internet? hold on, let me get my pitchfork
[16:53] <bigcalm> Ooo
[16:53] <jussi> it is kinda like unity... :P
[16:53] <bigcalm> Just loaded a different gmail account and got it
[16:53] <bigcalm> Looks ok to me :)
[16:55] <AlanBell> I want an office with fewer screaming kids in it
[16:56] <oracology> sorry guys i came in late on this one...what are we talking about..?
[16:56]  * oracology feels sheepish.
[16:56] <bigcalm> g+
[16:56] <gord> how kids should not get time off school because it mildly bothers us that work from home
[16:56] <bigcalm> AlanBell: send the kids out to work
[16:56] <bigcalm> gord: yep :)
[16:56] <oracology> bigcalm: thanks :)
[16:57] <popey> MartijnVdS: how?
[16:57] <StevenR> AlanBell: move to an office with a bear?
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: https://plus.google.com/u/0/100189567362844794281/about ?
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: if I mouseover I get a "change photo" thingy
[16:59] <popey> yeah, i can get to my own profile
[16:59] <popey> but what do you do then?
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> you mouseover the area with your photo and the"bubbles"
[17:01] <popey> bubbles?
[17:01] <AlanBell> I think it isn't fully rolled out yet, I don't see anything interesting or bubbly
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'll shoot a screen :)
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: sent to you on G+ :)
[17:02] <popey> mine is a google apps for domains account
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> so is mine
[17:03] <popey> nice
[17:03]  * popey signs out
[17:04] <bigcalm> Signing out/in made no difference to my account display
[17:05] <bigcalm> *** /dev/sdb1 will be checked for errors at next reboot ***
[17:05] <bigcalm> It lies
[17:06] <bigcalm> Every reboot that message as been there on login
[17:12] <ali1234>  get that too. should bug report it
[17:24] <ali1234> bug 854772
[17:25] <Azelphur> what do most people use for twitter on Linux, gwibber?
[17:27] <bigcalm> Oh bum, no telnet client on this windows2008 server
[17:27] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I guess. Personally I just use my phone
[17:27] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:28] <bigcalm> Stops me from being distracted when I'm meant to be working
[17:28] <popey> heh, refreshed and now I get it
[17:28] <bigcalm> There's IRC for that
[17:29] <AlanBell> me too popey
[17:29] <Azelphur> I like the look of tweetdeck and how it can split feeds up into multiple rows
[17:29] <awilkins> Azelphur, I tend to just use the website
[17:30] <Azelphur> awilkins: hehe
[17:31] <bigcalm> Azelphur: columns?
[17:31] <Azelphur> yea, columns.
[17:31] <bigcalm> Yup, I have it too now
[17:31] <Azelphur> would be nice to put certain bot/high traffic feeds into a separate column
[17:33] <bigcalm> "don't forget about the Wolverhampton Happy Hour tomorrow"
[17:33] <bigcalm> Erm
[17:33] <bigcalm> Next week, not tomorrow
[17:34] <bigcalm> (this is me filing a bug report) :P
[17:36] <Azelphur> wait what...my gwibber from the repo doesn't look anything like the gwibber screenshots on their site
[17:37] <hamitron> blame canonical!
[17:37] <Azelphur> BLAME HAS BEEN ASSIGNED.
[17:37] <Myrtti> Azelphur: I just use Tweetdeck on Chromium
[17:40] <Azelphur> fun
[17:43]  * bigcalm hugs AlanBell 
[17:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: put him down you don't know where he has been
[18:01] <directhex> blarg
[18:01] <directhex> blarg argh blaaarg
[18:07] <davmor2> directhex: stop dying everywhere you big wuss ;)
[18:07] <directhex> davmor2: i'm dying.
[18:08] <davmor2> directhex: everyone is the speed is dependant upon the person though ;)  the blarg's were what I was commenting on though :D
[18:52] <ed345678> hi somebody help me
[18:52] <ed345678> iam running lubuntu
[18:53] <AlanBell> hi ed345678
[18:53] <ed345678> i am unable to create a new file in documents or desktop
[18:54] <ed345678> it says error opening file, filesystem read only
[18:54] <ed345678> hi AlanBell
[18:54] <AlanBell> were there any problems apparent when booting up?
[18:55] <ed345678> no no problems, everythings working
[18:55] <AlanBell> and has it just started doing this?
[18:55] <ed345678> yes
[18:56] <ed345678> i tried starting leafpad with sudo and then saving txt file on desktop but still get that same error
[18:56] <AlanBell> does a reboot cure it?
[18:56] <ed345678> dont know, I will try rebooting now
[19:10] <directhex> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns/posts/205887
[19:33] <popey> directhex: golly
[19:33] <popey> directhex: what should I do with this busted xbox? chuck it?
[19:34] <directhex> popey: i guess :/
[19:34] <popey> bummer
[19:38] <directhex> :(
[19:46] <shane_> spray it another colour and mount it on the wall
[20:00] <jacobw> evening
[20:05] <bigcalm> Evening mrevell, bit late for you?
[20:05] <mrevell> bigcalm, Timezones and release deadlines :)
[20:06] <bigcalm> Ah, fun times :D
[20:15] <billybob1> Hello
[20:17] <popey> yo
[20:20] <billybob1> What is this channel for?
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Talking.
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> About things.
[20:22] <brobostigon> well, almost anything,
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Mostly Ubuntu-related though
[20:23] <brobostigon> and food, and beer, and etc.
[20:23] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/04/11/s05e04-cube-root-of-conquest/
[20:23] <popey> \o/
[20:23] <brobostigon> :)
[20:24]  * bigcalm fires up gpodder
[20:24] <bigcalm> This'll make 3 eps that I need to listen to, oops
[20:24] <popey> heh
[20:25]  * popey tickles bigcalm with mc
[20:25] <bigcalm> Go on then :)
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> mc \o/
[20:25] <bigcalm> snowflake?
[20:26] <brobostigon> google listen notifications. :)
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> Google Listen isn't developed anymore, is it?
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> It kept doing annoying things on my phone (like randomly pausing the music playe[Dr)
[20:28] <brobostigon> no idea, but i have it installed, on my tablet.
[20:28] <billybob1> Okay then well hi all :)
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> hi billybob1
[20:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: is there an alternative?
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Not really. I use banshee atm
[20:28] <billybob1> But as it is ubuntu based is everyone using the unity interface and any one like it?
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: there might be a good app in the store, but haven't looked
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> billybob1: no, and no :)
[20:29]  * awilkins is OK with unity
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> billybob1: but I like it
[20:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i see. well listen still works ok, so untill i find an alternative, it will do.
[20:29] <billybob1> I miss the taskbar it is frustrating changing windows now even with the short keys
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> billybob1: the thing on the left IS the taskbar
[20:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i found they released google currents outside the us, i know it deals with stuff from google reader, could that work. i havent actually looked at it yet.
[20:30] <billybob1> Yeah but it combines EVERYTHING /sigh
[20:30] <billybob1> Also how do you just get back to the desktop?
[20:31] <awilkins> ctrl-alt-D
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> billybob1: hold the "flag" key for a while, a screen full of shortcut keys pops up
[20:32] <billybob1> <3 awilkins : Cheers
[20:33] <billybob1> Yeah but that only shows the bar shortcuts
[20:33] <awilkins> The shortcuts are defined in keyboard settings application.
[20:33] <billybob1> Does this now mean that I have to go and learn LOADS of shortkeys just to be able to do normal switching like in Gnome2?
[20:33] <awilkins> For desktop I usually just keep one workspace clean and switch to it with alt-arrows
[20:34] <awilkins> I do most of my app switching that way too
[20:35] <awilkins> One workspace for comms, one for coding, one for source control, etc
[20:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, i just tried to pickup ubuntu-uk podcast via rss, from my google reader list, and it picked it up fine, so it could be an alternative.
[20:41] <brobostigon> google currents, i mean.
[20:43] <brobostigon> fail. no sorry, didnt playback.
[21:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S05E04  Cube Root of Conquest - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/04/11/s05e04-cube-root-of-conquest/
[21:28] <Azelphur> anyone know of a really active twitter account (a bot or something) that posts regularly?
[21:28]  * Azelphur wants something to test with
[21:28] <ali1234> the launchpad one
[21:28] <AlanBell> there is the bigbenclock one
[21:29] <ali1234> https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntubugs
[21:29] <ali1234> wait that seems to have died on 23rd feb
[21:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: that hasn't seen activity for months :p
[21:29] <AlanBell> oh the clock has stopped
[21:29] <Azelphur> lol
[21:29] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/#!/big_ben_clock
[21:30] <Azelphur> hahahaha
[21:30] <Azelphur> bong bong bong.
[21:30] <Azelphur> was thinking more active than that though
[21:30] <ali1234> you need to subscribe to a tab
[21:30] <ali1234> *tag
[21:30] <ali1234> like #lol should do it
[21:30] <AlanBell> yeah, that one is regular, but not frequent
[21:30] <Azelphur> that's a good idea
[21:33] <Azelphur> holy crap, lol is a bit too busy xD
[21:33] <Azelphur> wow, that was insane
[21:33] <Azelphur> note to self: don't do that
[21:34] <Azelphur> Ubuntu is a good one, keeps things going every few seconds
[21:35] <AlanBell> what are you doing with it?
[21:36] <AlanBell> I did some live streaming stuff from twitter, it can go really really fast
[21:36] <Azelphur> AlanBell: piping tweets from a specific user into an IRC channel
[21:36] <AlanBell> nice
[21:36] <tiim> I have a friend who tweets too often
[21:36] <tiim> https://twitter.com/#!/emmabung
[21:37] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/+junk/circleoffriends my streaming client
[21:37] <Azelphur> tiim: lol
[21:37] <Azelphur> AlanBell: cool, I'm using the tweetstream library
[21:37] <Azelphur> in python
[21:38] <AlanBell> I might have another hack at that some day and make it more of a twitter wall client, so just for presentation of tweets rather than as a twitter client you would use
[21:41] <tiim> I don't get twitter. It's good for posting links if you blog, but... not as good as RSS. Otherwise it seems hard to say anything worth saying in n letters
[21:42] <AlanBell> Azelphur: you could follow the stream of people who are surprised that Titanic was real
[21:43] <Azelphur> haha
[22:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Calligra Released - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4567
[22:03] <Riddell> ooh it's me
[22:08] <bigcalm> Fame at last!
[22:17] <majster-pl> http://ubuntuone.com/0Yi8BrAKRrPYiuEMEvTsQt  anyone have this wallpaper problem ? gnome 3.4
[22:18] <ali1234> never seen anything like that with unity
[22:18] <ali1234> but the wallpaper is done by nautilus afaik so it should look the same
[22:20] <majster-pl> hmm.. its looks ok after restart... but after some time of normal using desktop its going like on picture...
[22:20] <ali1234> it looks like a scaling issue
[22:21] <ali1234> like there's two copies of the wallpaper... can't really think of a reason why that would happen
[22:21] <ali1234> are you running a program that changes the screen mode or using an external display or anything like that?
[22:22] <majster-pl> no I can think of... its fresh ubuntu install
[22:23] <majster-pl> all I installed is gnome-shell advance-settings compiz-config
[22:24] <majster-pl> the wallpaper looks ok when I go to preview mode.
[22:26] <majster-pl> ali1234, here is what happen when I change wallpaper
[22:26] <majster-pl> http://ubuntuone.com/0u4bUHXv04IKKVikuR768b
[22:27] <ali1234> ok so it looks like you have two copies of nautilus running in desktop mode and with different screen sizes
[22:27] <ali1234> you should open a bug, and include a link to that video
[22:27] <majster-pl> ok will do it now
[22:28] <ali1234> did you run anything as root/sudo?
[22:28] <majster-pl> only apt-get
[22:34] <ali1234> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614682
[22:34] <ali1234> looks very similar
[22:34] <ali1234> please link the bug report when you've done it
[22:36] <majster-pl> should I reported under gnome-shell package ?
[22:36] <ali1234> report it under nautilus
[22:36] <majster-pl> ok
[22:36] <ali1234> just run "ubuntu-bug nautilus" from shell
[22:36] <majster-pl> ok
[22:40] <ali1234> can you also please attach output of "xrandr"
[22:40] <ali1234> if it isn't already
[22:40] <majster-pl> here it is, sorry but its my first bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/979416
[22:40] <ali1234> ok that's a good start :)
[22:41] <majster-pl> ;-)
[22:41] <ali1234> i'm going to attach a bug watch to that gnome bug
[22:45] <majster-pl> ok I attached xrander output to it...
[22:46] <ali1234> hmm... yes that shows only one defined monitor... so i am stumped really
[22:46] <ali1234> hopefully the gnome experts can fix it
[22:47] <majster-pl> we'll see... fingers crossed :D
[22:48] <ali1234> you might want to subscribe to the gnome bug, and maybe confirm it...
[22:53] <majster-pl> what is best way to subscribe it to gnome team ?
[22:53] <ali1234> just subscribe yourself :)
[22:54] <ali1234> i'm not sure it's the same bug now...
[22:54] <ali1234> well, we'll see
[22:55] <ali1234> there's this bug too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/804435
[22:55] <ali1234> but that claims to be fixed
[22:58] <majster-pl> true
[22:59] <majster-pl> ali1234, thanks for your help and I will wait and see...
[22:59] <majster-pl> now time for bed
[22:59] <majster-pl> bye
[23:29] <ali1234> https://launchpad.net/bug/971130
[23:30] <ali1234> bug 971130
[23:30] <ali1234> bug 966417